From TGN ...

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2008/08/22/16543

Edit: link to TGN added. --yakface



Dear Valued Customers,

There is an old curse you might know: “May you live in interesting times “

I would be very surprised if anyone could look around our tiny world today and not ponder the truism of such a simple remark. There is very little doubt that these current days would certainly qualify as interesting.

Among many other concerns the world has been struggling with the rising cost of energy, transport, and materials. These rising costs have ultimately affected not only the price of gasoline that we put into our tanks, but the price we pay for milk, eggs and cereal. It has also, not surprisingly perhaps, greatly affected the costs for producing miniatures.


Today we are contacting all of our Trade customers globally to announce that due to these rising costs, we too will be raising some of our prices.

We do not do this lightly. We fully understand that the timing of the price rise directly conflicts with our annual July price review and for that we deeply apologize. I hope that you understand that this price rise is not something Games Workshop Global desires to do, it is something we have to do.

That being said, we wish to approach this change with the same dedication to customer service that we do for every endeavor. So for clarity and fairness I offer the following points:

We are contacting our Trade customers this week to prepare them for any questions they may have.

On Monday August 25th a message informing end hobbyists will be placed on all of our websites.

Prices will change September 29th.

A message will appear in our October White Dwarf.

The price increase will affect part of our paint and hobby ranges, as well as a large portion of our metal models and printed materials.

Even with the pressure of rising costs we are adamant that we will not at this time raise prices on any plastic model kits. Providing high quality, great value kits is fundamental to our corporate strategy and will continue to produce and distribute them at the current prices for as long as we are able.

Sincerely,

Games Workshop

Well this cannot be a suprise to anyone, can it?

While I am not happy about it, when was GW's last price hike?

The last really broad hike was a few years back, when regiments went from 30 to 35. A 25% hike is pretty steep though, and it's apparently applying to everything across the board.

In all fairness, GW minis had become some of the cheaper models on the market after the rounds of hikes from PP et al. The only thing that cheeses me is that they told us price hikes would only occur in July. If it were, say, november, I'd be more willing to accept that times and conditions have changed. Its' still only late August, and I can't see any reason they couldn't have announced this in July. The have the right to set their prices, no doubt, but GW was starting to rehabilitate their old "we lie right to face of our customers" reputation (which is not entirely fair).

I have boxes of eldar still to assemble, let alone paint, so I'm not really affected by this. I figure most grognards are the same way.

To be fair, the US prices have been far lower than the rest of the world for a year or two now. I think we all knew this was coming.

Well I pretty much have everything I need at this point so whatever.

Not surprising at all.

Its a shame that they are doing it though. The price of some HQ models is astronomical and makes little sense. (Eldrad for $20+ really?)

I honestly wouldn't think it would be a big deal if they lowered their prices during times of great prosperity, instead of always increasing the prices.

But that can be said of any company.

This tells me two things:

- Buy your new minis before Sept. 29!
- And, man, I'm glad AoBR comes out in Sept.

Maybe someday I will become rich, and I won't have to be bothered by price hikes anymore.

But this one still makes me sad. Especially with all the lovely Chaos models that seem to be in our future.

Wait, did someone just say GW figures were cheap?

I'm so sad. The power of the internets is overwhelming.

Stelek wrote:Wait, did someone just say GW figures were cheap?

I'm so sad. The power of the internets is overwhelming.

In relative terms, sometimes they are.

GW has even LOWERED pricecs in some new releases. The new LR kit for instance is $50 MSRP as opposed to $55-60 for the LR and LRC kits. And with this kit you can make all three LRs.

This is definitely breaking with the tradition of every time that GW makes a new model, the price likewise increases too.

Price wise, GW these days releases some dirty cheap deals of minis.
I dont remember such huge good deals like these new army deals that came for new edition in a long time...

Doing my math on deals I know better

Normal Batallion box costs 80 euros and if you got content individually it would cost 117.5 euros

New big army deal costs 150 euros (its about 2x batallion box and a extra carni)
- If you got 2 batallions and 1 carni it would cost 195 euros
- If you got everything individually it would be 270 euros

No wonder this army deal was released in July and its hard to find it already.

new starter box is also super cheap...

Mind I'm not saying GW is cheap... but these deals do make things alot more interesting to the wallet.
So as long as these deals keep on coming i will keep on buying.

when i first started playing warhammer 40k in 3rd ED a space marine combat squad was 12.50 so this rise in price dosent surprise me at all.

Deathmachine wrote:when i first started playing warhammer 40k in 3rd ED a space marine combat squad was 12.50 so this rise in price dosent surprise me at all.

Same here. 5 marines for $12.50 and 10 for $20.

I can barely imagine that now. I thought that was expensive then. How silly I was.

Myrthe wrote:From TGN ...

Link to the original since Myrthe didn't included it.

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2008/08/22/16543

Hordini wrote:

Deathmachine wrote:when i first started playing warhammer 40k in 3rd ED a space marine combat squad was 12.50 so this rise in price dosent surprise me at all.

Same here. 5 marines for $12.50 and 10 for $20.

I can barely imagine that now. I thought that was expensive then. How silly I was.

Bah, I remember when 40k first started, "I thought that was expensive then" also. Strangely, I don't feel that way now since I can afford them and realize that most everything else I was buying then has gone way up too.

For once, they have a legit reason. Even PP recently raised their prices on metal models.

I hope its US only, the prices in Australia are already 25-30% more than the US and UK.

Which is why I buy everything online now from the US or UK and save 25-30%.

Paints were the only exception to that but looks like I'll be getting them from overseas too.

The one product that was mentioned , but I hope does not get increased, is the paint line. The paints are already outragiously priced but they have gotten so much better quality wise. I have recently switched back to Gw paints from using Vallejo and I hope I do not have to reconsider.

Greed Workshop strikes again.

I'm price insensitive; I care not if GW raise their prices.

Guess my High Elves will be done in December or January
rather than November.

At least they are not raising prices on plastic models...

I'd hope it was just US too (makes sense since it's cheaper over their atm). But we will have to listen to our local suppliers and get our orders in quick before the hike.

There goes all the goodwill GW had managed to generate.

Milk, eggs, cereal, paints and metal models.

At least they're adamant about not raising plastic prices.

"Goody Two Shoes" was a pretty silly song, but OK. "Ant music" was OK too...

Nice to see that GW is trying to scare customers into raising their third quarter sales. I can't be the only one that noticed that they are changeing right after the quarter ends. After that they will get the holiday rush so this will probably help the year end P&L reports.

Apone wrote:I'd hope it was just US too .

Nope. Sorry.

From 0% to 70% in some cases. Average across the entire board is 17% - meaning that if you bought one of everything before and one of everything after the cost would be up 17%.

So does anyone want an excel spreadsheet of every single GW kit and what the exact price hikes will be?

(No, I'm not getting back into 40k and I haven't been on Dakka in well over a year. But someone leaked this spreadsheet to me and I didn't know if y'all already had it somewhere here yet.)

-JTS

Hmmm....September 29...Marines come out the next month.....

Either it's poor planning, or excellent planning depending on how you look at things.

reds8n wrote:

Apone wrote:I'd hope it was just US too .

Nope. Sorry.

I wonder if the new Marine release prices are in line with this? Example;

Telion: $12
Chronus (2 models, for tank and on foot): $17
Scout bike (1): $12
Landspeeder: $30
Droppod: $30
Landraider Crusader/Redeemer: $50
Thunderfire Cannon: $40
Codex: $25

JTS1486 wrote:From 0% to 70% in some cases. Average across the entire board is 17% - meaning that if you bought one of everything before and one of everything after the cost would be up 17%.

-JTS

What's going up 70%? What are the big rises?

I guess I should get those Cold One Knights now then.

Don't miss this line:

"Even with the pressure of rising costs we are adamant that we will not at this time raise prices on any plastic model kits."

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Don't miss this line:

"Even with the pressure of rising costs we are adamant that we will not at this time raise prices on any plastic model kits."

Yeah, I find that interesting too. Either they realize their bread and butter are their plastic kits, which are, frankly, some of their cheapest figs and appeal to non-GW gamers, or the plastic kits are just that much cheaper to transport (will they reduce packaging to cut costs further? Doubtful), or there's something else behind that.

@JTS1486: Welcome back, even if briefly! I don't know how Yak and the powers that be feel about leaked info ending up on their site, but I'd love to see it.

Jester wrote:I guess I should get those Cold One Knights now then.

Depends, Jester. If GW is completely sure that they're not going to raise plastic
kit prices, then the better bet is to buy whatever Dark Elf metal models you
needed.

But the Cold One Knights are sweet, I agree.

I've got most of the metals that I want, (other than goofy hydra, but I'm trying to resist) so cold ones it is, unless I decide to do some Corsairs as Slaaneshi Marauders.

JTS1486 wrote:From 0% to 70% in some cases. Average across the entire board is 17% - meaning that if you bought one of everything before and one of everything after the cost would be up 17%.

So does anyone want an excel spreadsheet of every single GW kit and what the exact price hikes will be?

(No, I'm not getting back into 40k and I haven't been on Dakka in well over a year. But someone leaked this spreadsheet to me and I didn't know if y'all already had it somewhere here yet.)

-JTS

Yes, please do share JTS. And nice to see you again mate.

Any info you could provide would be most welcome.

Modquisition edit to remove chum in the water. Lets discuss the topic, not incite an uncalled for flame response peoples



Any one notice that they called it a price increase, rather than spinning it as a 'price adjustment'.

BYE

Modquisition edit to remove chum in the water. Lets discuss the topic, not incite an uncalled for flame response peoples



Any one notice that they called it a price increase, rather than spinning it as a 'price adjustment'.

BYE

Hellfury wrote:

JTS1486 wrote:From 0% to 70% in some cases. Average across the entire board is 17% - meaning that if you bought one of everything before and one of everything after the cost would be up 17%.

So does anyone want an excel spreadsheet of every single GW kit and what the exact price hikes will be?

(No, I'm not getting back into 40k and I haven't been on Dakka in well over a year. But someone leaked this spreadsheet to me and I didn't know if y'all already had it somewhere here yet.)

-JTS

Yes, please do share JTS. And nice to see you again mate.

Any info you could provide would be most welcome.

The only item that went up 70% is the rough coat spray paint. Which was discontinued.

All GW paint will be $3.50. For fantasy metal model boxes (empire great swords, etc..) will be $22, commands (great sword command) will be $25.

Thats the basic gist of the changes (other than minor bilsters), unlike last blister price hike NOTHING went down.
The odd thing is the GW e-mail even mentions price increases for things that aren't even able to be ordered (Fallen Giant template, old army cases).

Plastics are volume sellers so they make more money by keeping them cheap.

Metal prices are so high right now that the meth gangs have taken to stealing copper pipes and wiring from stores and such.

General Hobbs wrote:

Greed Workshop strikes again.

Ha ha, yeah! And Micro$oft!! Man, those guys are just raking it in by ripping off the little guy! Oh, and John$on and John$on too! Just try finding "No More Tears" somewhere else; good luck, buddy!

Man, I LOVE fresh humor.

Stealing copper from stores? Pft. They steal wires and pipes from anywhere they can get their hands on it. Had a local guy get electrocuted when he tried to steal live copper wires from a railroad crossing warning.

I just pray the new drop pods don't become stupidly expensive. They are the key in weither or not I start a space wolf army when it gets redone.

Jayden you have superb painting skills.

If I gave you a coffee cup you could make a drop pod.

The more GW stuff costs, the slower my current army build, so they aren't making more money off me. Anybody out there the same?

"same dedication to customer service"

Could use a little more of that...

As to the price hikes I'm cool on most of them. Though I guess it really doesn't affect me cause I try to by metal as little as possible. (45 dollars for Logan Grimnar??? Not on your hobby mate)

Eldramesha wrote:Plastics are volume sellers so they make more money by keeping them cheap.

Then why aren't they cheap?

BYE

Not sure if you were exagerrating but FYI, Logan grimnar is $30 canadian, retail.

When I started all regiment/squad box sets were a tenner. Hurumph.

GW prices are completely reasonable and this price rise is a good thing.


No, I'm not John. And yes, I'm kidding.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I hope its US only, the prices in Australia are already 25-30% more than the US and UK.

Which is why I buy everything online now from the US or UK and save 25-30%.

Paints were the only exception to that but looks like I'll be getting them from overseas too.

Don't you pay a lot in shipping?

GW's plastic model kits are already much more expensive than comparable kits from Tamiya, Perry Brothers, etc.

However this is due to the IP value of them being 40K.

If the US starts adjusting the prices to reflect the prices of the UK and NE we wouldn't be having this all the time. Yes the US economy is but it is the same story everywhere.

Myrthe wrote:
From TGN ...

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2008/08/22/16543

Edit: link to TGN added. --yakface



Dear Valued Customers,

There is an old curse you might know: “May you live in interesting times “

I would be very surprised if anyone could look around our tiny world today and not ponder the truism of such a simple remark. There is very little doubt that these current days would certainly qualify as interesting.

Among many other concerns the world has been struggling with the rising cost of energy, transport, and materials. These rising costs have ultimately affected not only the price of gasoline that we put into our tanks, but the price we pay for milk, eggs and cereal. It has also, not surprisingly perhaps, greatly affected the costs for producing miniatures.


Today we are contacting all of our Trade customers globally to announce that due to these rising costs, we too will be raising some of our prices.

We do not do this lightly. We fully understand that the timing of the price rise directly conflicts with our annual July price review and for that we deeply apologize. I hope that you understand that this price rise is not something Games Workshop Global desires to do, it is something we have to do.

That being said, we wish to approach this change with the same dedication to customer service that we do for every endeavor. So for clarity and fairness I offer the following points:

We are contacting our Trade customers this week to prepare them for any questions they may have.

On Monday August 25th a message informing end hobbyists will be placed on all of our websites.

Prices will change September 29th.

A message will appear in our October White Dwarf.

The price increase will affect part of our paint and hobby ranges, as well as a large portion of our metal models and printed materials.

Even with the pressure of rising costs we are adamant that we will not at this time raise prices on any plastic model kits. Providing high quality, great value kits is fundamental to our corporate strategy and will continue to produce and distribute them at the current prices for as long as we are able.

Sincerely,

Games Workshop

Any word on the 40k skirmish game, yet?
They can raise prices till the cows come home, if the game continues to degrade, the stocks will soon follow.

This has been coming a mile off, with a falling global market at the current time, this was going to hit us sooner or later. remember that GW have final turned around a 3 year profit lose or downfall

huh incresed cost of metal models + most Eldar aspect warriors and most High Elf specials are metal =

jfrazell wrote:Well I pretty much have everything I need at this point so whatever.

Yeah.

I just got a Daemon army and 90% it is through bartertown. The rest will be chaosorc or ebay.

well, not a big surprise. GW increases prices on a rather regular basis, either as a direct increase, or hidden one (like a product repack - kind of "you got less models, for the higher price" or rather "the price seems lower, but when you break it down to cost per models it turns out higher").
That being said GW has done some really nice, reasonably priced boxes recently - Dark Elf Cold Ones for example.
And you can still be happy folks out there - at least you`re not treated as customers in Poland. We have much expensive minis out here. Why? Some not-so-clever GW employee had an idea to use a PLN based pricing sheet for all stores located in Poland. Generally seems a good idea, doesn`t it? Well, there`s a catch. The PLN price sheet is based on totaly unrealistic exchange value. In reality GBP costs around 4,2PLN, while GW based all exchange rates on over 6PLN price. That`s over 30% higher than a real value, so we have prices over 30% higher than the rest of the world.
The effects are really bad for local hobby stores, especially for new ones (and there`s a lot of new hobby stores in Poland) as customers started to buy minis online in EU. In a short-time period this may cause closing of many of them as none will buy in hobby stores.
Well, ok , I had to vent it out ....

Well Przemas I think the prices in general europe are not as cheap as in uk? ... just check uk prices and for example spanish ones... spanish ones are considerably more expensive... I also checked german ones and same history... Mind maybe its just a coincidence that the particular products i hunted on these stores are cheaper in the uk...

yup Nav, but still there are not over 30% more expensive, do they ?
I`ve checked the official prices and so far I haven`t found so high prices as in Poland....

warpcrafter wrote:The more GW stuff costs, the slower my current army build, so they aren't making more money off me. Anybody out there the same?

Yeah. It helps to already have a playable army, though.

Przemas wrote:yup Nav, but still there are not over 30% more expensive, do they ?
I`ve checked the official prices and so far I haven`t found so high prices as in Poland....

Sorry to hear that mate... We dont have GW here but between having one that pimps prices like that and none i choose the second option... Besides its even more unfair considering both our countries wages are some of the lowest in europe...

malfred wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:The more GW stuff costs, the slower my current army build, so they aren't making more money off me. Anybody out there the same?

Yeah. It helps to already have a playable army, though.

Well, and sorry to bring this down again but the deals GW releasing recently makes my armies grow faster and cheaper. But Since bugs and csm are mostly plastic i guess i dont feel the price adjustments as much as metal heavy armies?
Even the ridiculous priced sm termis are now at acceptable prices in new starter...

Spend around about £50 at Bolt Action Miniatures and get all the models you need to field a WWII platoon in Rules of Engagement. Nobody moans about their army being broken or someone else's is over powered, plus once you've mastered your current force it's only another £50 to try another one and boy are HMG's nasty in this game!

NAVARRO wrote:

malfred wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:The more GW stuff costs, the slower my current army build, so they aren't making more money off me. Anybody out there the same?

Yeah. It helps to already have a playable army, though.

Well, and sorry to bring this down again but the deals GW releasing recently makes my armies grow faster and cheaper. But Since bugs and csm are mostly plastic i guess i dont feel the price adjustments as much as metal heavy armies?
Even the ridiculous priced sm termis are now at acceptable prices in new starter...

Most Fantasy elite units are metal.

I often wonder at what point GW will price themselves right out of business.

Obviously, not quite yet, and maybe the push for all plastic will 'save' them and us.

But we've got to be getting real close with some of the metal special characters.

It is especially grating as soon, the metal special characters will be the only way to customize your army selection in 40K...

Surely most modern armies are 90% plastic by now.

I mean if you look at Tau, the only metal units are Sniper Drones, Vespids, Pathfinders (which can easily be converted from standard Warriors) and the special characters. You can easily convert the special Suited characters from ordinary plastic suits, and no-one needs more than one Ethereal.

I suppose this hits S&M players, Eldars and so on who have some great characters and special units in metal.

Maybe this will quicken up the delivery to market of a plastic character box for each race?

I'd love to see a plastic librarian/chaplain sprue for the plastic commander box.

Plus, something could easily be done for Eldar and Orks as well.

Think this will effect the price of the Space Marine Spearhead?

Aduro wrote:Think this will effect the price of the Space Marine Spearhead?

The vets are already the same price as a tac squad (5 vets=10 tacs).The spearhead could be cheaper with plastic marines.

Metal veterans = epic fail

Didn't we like their plastic upgrades for BT and DA?

Zoned wrote:Not sure if you were exagerrating but FYI, Logan grimnar is $30 canadian, retail.

Really? My bro after tax in Ontario payed 42 dollars and x number of cents for it from our local Games Workshop store for it.

The one thing I hate though is that if I drive an hour to get to the states that 130 battleforce now costs 90 dollars. Even though are dollars are only 3 cents apart. (the true Canadian price comparative should be around 92 dollars.... Really ticks me off.

If you're that close to the border you should be organising a minibus to go over with a gang of pals and clean out the nearest US shop. Make a pre-order first to ensure they get it all in stock.

A price hike simply means I buy less stuff. I'm a poor poor man, but I run the gaming night at the FLGS and get store cred weekly for doing so. I buy nothing that exceeds my cred, so it means I get less.

I'm not surprised at all, every other company has been raising prices due to the price of metal and other stuff, was only a matter of time for GW to do it too. But it's nice that they're gonna keep the plastic stuff the same at least for now, so I guess kudos to them for trying and not raising it all just because they can.

I guess for me I feel I'm not effected too much as I already have plenty of stuff and I don't expect to need to buy anything new till they start putting out the new guard stuff whenever that is.

Well, Wargames Foundry had already priced themselves pretty much out of the wargaming business with their prices (they're a 'collectibles' business, you see, which is why 6 pirates cost $5-7 each).

What will be interesting to watch is the secondary market, which is pretty saturated at this point.

syr8766 wrote:

What will be interesting to watch is the secondary market, which is pretty saturated at this point.

How do you figure? There's alot of stuff out there sure, but for the consumer its still great. Unless you mean for GW....

Ratbarf wrote:

Zoned wrote:Not sure if you were exagerrating but FYI, Logan grimnar is $30 canadian, retail.

Really? My bro after tax in Ontario payed 42 dollars and x number of cents for it from our local Games Workshop store for it.

The one thing I hate though is that if I drive an hour to get to the states that 130 battleforce now costs 90 dollars. Even though are dollars are only 3 cents apart. (the true Canadian price comparative should be around 92 dollars.... Really ticks me off.

http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060101208&orignav=10
no, the store would have charged $30 for it, as bad as Ontario taxes are, they aren't 40%

syr8766 wrote:Well, Wargames Foundry had already priced themselves pretty much out of the wargaming business with their prices (they're a 'collectibles' business, you see, which is why 6 pirates cost $5-7 each).

What will be interesting to watch is the secondary market, which is pretty saturated at this point.

What do you mean by secondary market? I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. For most GW stuff, their resale value is still very high, but I don't know anything about non-GW eBay prices (I'm guessing quite low).

So...a question for anyone who has that spreadsheet. What do the changes to the Specialist Games ranges look like? Inquisitor models have always been fairly highly priced (compared to other GW models of the same mass), and I shudder to think what they'll be like now.

Deathmachine wrote:when i first started playing warhammer 40k in 3rd ED a space marine combat squad was 12.50 so this rise in price dosent surprise me at all.

and gas was $1.20 a gallon, the good old days. The price hike will not effect plastics only metals, paints and some other stuff.

Cheers

Kinghammer, you forgot hobby supplies (good thing I was sitting right next to you to remind you of everything you forgot, eh?).

The list we got at the trade seminar was metal minis, paints and hobby supplies. They were ADAMANT that plastic prices would not be increasing.

And I would like to reiterate, the cost of our hobby going up is doing so at a significantly slower rate than the cost of many MANY other things. Like gas. And food. So whining about this seems kind of pointless to me.

Then again, people whining about the prices of luxury/entertainment products always seemed pointless to me, so nothing changes...

AgeOfEgos wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Apone wrote:I'd hope it was just US too .

Nope. Sorry.

I wonder if the new Marine release prices are in line with this? Example;

Telion: $12
Chronus (2 models, for tank and on foot): $17
Scout bike (1): $12
Landspeeder: $30
Droppod: $30
Landraider Crusader/Redeemer: $50
Thunderfire Cannon: $40
Codex: $25

I doubt it. The last time we had a price hike here in Canada, the new Empire releases had not been out 2 weeks, and they all went up in price. GW prices according to bands, so all that stuff will be slotted into its appropriate cost code, and when it goes up in price, regardless of whether it is a new release or not, all product will go up accordingly.

TGN wrote:
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2008/08/22/16543

Today we are contacting all of our Trade customers globally to announce that due to these rising costs, we too will be raising some of our prices.

...

The price increase will affect part of our paint and hobby ranges, as well as a large portion of our metal models and printed materials.

Even with the pressure of rising costs we are adamant that we will not at this time raise prices on any plastic model kits. Providing high quality, great value kits is fundamental to our corporate strategy and will continue to produce and distribute them at the current prices for as long as we are able.

Sincerely,

Games Workshop

What? Another price increase? Are we really due for another?

Even though GW told their investors that materials were like 1% of their costs? Really?

Still, it's nice to see that GW doesn't need to squeeze us on the plastics. I guess 95+% Gross Margin is sufficient.


And it's nice see that GW is addressing the "plastic should be cheaper than metal" argument. Did people honestly think GW would *lower* the prices on the plastics? What did people think that GW would do when told that "we will pay more for metal models"? *NOT* raise prices on the more valuable metals? -sigh-

Ratbarf wrote:The one thing I hate though is that if I drive an hour to get to the states that 130 battleforce now costs 90 dollars. Even though are dollars are only 3 cents apart. (the true Canadian price comparative should be around 92 dollars....

Yeah, but how much is gas? 2 hours of highway driving is about 150 miles, or roughly 6 gallons. In the US, we pay almost $4/gal, so that's $25 in gas. Tho I think Canada has higher gas tax, so it could be a wash on a Battleforce. Plus, you guys have VAT rolled in, which is much higher than our sales taxes.

That's why you get a minibus and five friends to share the petrol cost.

Do Canadians have VAT?

Yes. It is called "Goods and Services Tax" or "GST". This is applied in addition to Provincial Sales Tax.

Sorry, my bad.

GW priced their metals way out of my price sensitivity parameters quite a few years back. I'm pleased to say that haven't bought anything metal "new" from GW since at least 2006. Occasionally I hit on eBay bargains, but I only buy them on rare occasions now as the prices being asked for what are often mediocre sculpts bear no little relation to my concept of value.

These are crappy little bits of metal for a game, not great works of art...

Osbad wrote:GW priced their metals way out of my price sensitivity parameters quite a few years back.

So now you are truly price insensitive, in that whatever they increase the price by your buying habits won't change.

Only people who still buy stuff from GW complain, others have passed onto some sort of gaming nirvana; did you say it was called Ebay?

George Spiggott wrote:

Osbad wrote:GW priced their metals way out of my price sensitivity parameters quite a few years back.

So now you are truly price insensitive, in that whatever they increase the price by your buying habits won't change.

Good one!

I'm almost there myself, actually...

Yeah, but ebay isn't nearly the nirvana it used to be thanks to jackasses who break all their plastic sprues down into individual components and sell them separately (each with its own accompanying ridiculous shipping charges, of course). Yeah 3.25 for a gasmasked loota head?????

Frankly, I'd like to see GW start doing like they did for marines long ago and make almost all of your choices in plastic (or easily made from plastic kits, after all do I need to pay metal prices for vets when I can take a plastic and paint his head white???)

Now in the email I got about the price hike they also said they were going to rush out more of their planned plastics sooner, so let's hope some unplanned ones also make the cut. Do I dare hope for plastic meganobz?

Not good for us Daemonhunter army collecters :S. All our basic units are metal. But as previously mentioned, it won't affect how much I spend, I'll just get less for my money.

@Osiris: Try WH. They need at least twice as many models due to the lower points costs, and they're all metal as well.

Everything is going up, and buying models is a luxury. So while no one likes to see their hobby get more expensive, at least I can still make the decision of buying a new box set or seeing a movie instead of eating this week or paying my bills.

LOL, I see its the same old same old with GW. Oh well I am mostly past caring nowadays.

grimshawl wrote:LOL, I see its the same old same old with GW. Oh well I am mostly past caring nowadays.

haha, and it's the same old same old with the naysayers right?

It's a price increase and as mentioned earlier, one can either choose to buy or choose not to buy the product. If you or anyone is in a situation where they are worried about putting food on the table, paying rent, or otherwise providing for themselves/family or buying product, then you should put the hobby away until it's not a burden to your survival.

Well, I've got loads of metal work, I suppose the only Orky metal bits I need at the moment are dreads? I'll have a look at the price when I come to buy some and decide if I'll scratch build or buy then?

I get paid on the 24th of september so I will go pig out on paints as that's what will be my next purchase for sure anyway. I'll probably buy the big box set if they're going to do a price hike?

The only other thing I'd be hogging in to is the AOBR set but that's plastic so no rush for that one hopefully!!

What is the point of metal models anyway? Why are they made in white metal not plastic? I actually find the plastic models much easier to work with than metal ones?

You know, this wouldn't be so galling (everything's getting more expensive these days) if it weren't for their pricing structure that makes characters cost much, much more than an equivalent weight in line troops. If line troops received the "adjustment" while leaving special characters etc. at their current level of ridiculous, it might seem a bit more consumer-friendly, rather than "screw you as usual, plus some."

There is a rumour that this price adjustment is going to pass Canada by. That would mean that after an increase of 17%, GW Canada would only be overpriced by 33% instead of 50%.

This is progress!

That's one way of looking at it.

Odd that the increase in metals/raw materials and transportation costs will suddenly pass over Canada...

I think the GW community has been dealing with price increases in the last 8 years like a person deals with death or loss:

Denial: "this is just a price adjustment. It's not a big deal, it's still the Mercedes of miniatures. It's no more expensive than any other hobby."

Anger: "I'm sick of GW, and I won't ever buy another miniature again!"

Bargaining: "well, I can buy from the Warstore, online, cut back on other hobbies."

Depression: "Who cares, the rules suck and the models aren't as good anymore anyway."

Acceptance: "I'll buy less, work more hours, and enjoy painting what I have."

I think we're safely between 4 & 5 right now. I don't know anybody personally that actually left over the price increases (as the actual cause, not the stated reason), and online bargains ain't what they used to be. The legions of fanboys that used to defend the increases seem to have faded away, and while some hobbyists are fading out of the scene or not starting new armies, we now simply accept price increases as a natural thing.

I hear that GWCan and GWUS will eventually merge into a single entity.

Alpharius wrote:That's one way of looking at it. Odd that the increase in metals/raw materials and transportation costs will suddenly pass over Canada...

Well... GW Canada's stuff is all shipped out of Memphis, same as GWUS. Shipping from GWUS to Canada does not cost 30-50% of your order, so make your own conclusions.

If it makes you feel any better, Canada got a price increase of $5 across the $20-$50 bands right after the adjustment that reduced your battleforces to $90, and got another increase after the Empire release. In the mean time, our dollar has been steadily gaining against yours, further increasing the divide. Canadian prices will never come down, but eventually, the US's prices will probably eventually catch up and then we'll be one happy family, paying the same high prices. Just be glad that your battleforces aren't $130 like they are over here.

Guys, you have to decide if you like (A) miniature tabletop wargames or (B) only GW games.

If you answer A, there is a whole world of less expensive tabletop options out there.

keezus wrote:I hear that GWCan and GWUS will eventually merge into a single entity.

Alpharius wrote:That's one way of looking at it. Odd that the increase in metals/raw materials and transportation costs will suddenly pass over Canada...

Well... GW Canada's stuff is all shipped out of Memphis, same as GWUS. Shipping from GWUS to Canada does not cost 30-50% of your order, so make your own conclusions.

If it makes you feel any better, Canada got a price increase of $5 across the $20-$50 bands right after the adjustment that reduced your battleforces to $90, and got another increase after the Empire release. In the mean time, our dollar has been steadily gaining against yours, further increasing the divide. Canadian prices will never come down, but eventually, the US's prices will probably eventually catch up and then we'll be one happy family, paying the same high prices. Just be glad that your battleforces aren't $130 like they are over here.

All it really means is that Canadian customers were really get screwed over. Which, of course, is not news to anyone living in Canada!

Still, it kind of casts GW's latest price increase message in a different light.

Not like they care though.

Polonius wrote:I don't know anybody personally that actually left over the price increases (as the actual cause, not the stated reason)

Probably - again, once you own your army, you can play it forever.

But a lot of people stopped buying. I didn't buy anything from GW for a few years, limiting my purchasing to trades of secondhand.

I think a lot of the moaning about GW prices is because a lot of players are still fairly young and only on pocket-money kind of incomes.

You can put together a decent size army for most factions, with some choices, for between £300 and £400 pounds.

I know that's more than you would spend on any other tabletop wargame -- but compared to golf, shooting, photography and so on it's pretty reasonable.

(All this has been said before of course.)

Kilkrazy wrote:I think a lot of the moaning about GW prices is because a lot of players are still fairly young and only on pocket-money kind of incomes.

I also think the reverse is true. Many of us are young professionals who started playing GW games in the early 90s. We've seen the constant march of the price increases and each new one is a reminder of just how high they've gotten.

Now don't get me wrong, there are still some excellent values to be had in the GW product lines. Black Reach is a perfect example. The metals on the other hand, have just gotten silly. I get my metals kick playing historicals and WM but still find working with GW's plastic very pleasing. I've been priced out of GW's metals and won't use them.

So... um... do they ever decrease the prices when things are looking up? If not I guess I should finish buying my VC stuff for a while pretty soon.

Since that GW is only increasing the paint and metals, not the plastics, why not boycott all metal purchases and only buy plastics, forcing GW to make more plastic models at the same price?
I personally hate seeing metal models, they are hard to work with and are sometimes just ugly in the cae of oblids.
Why are they still making matal models?

Squig_herder wrote:Since that GW is only increasing the paint and metals, not the plastics, why not boycott all metal purchases and only buy plastics, forcing GW to make more plastic models at the same price?
I personally hate seeing metal models, they are hard to work with and are sometimes just ugly in the cae of oblids.
Why are they still making matal models?

I've grown fond of my metal oblits and thank god they aren't hiking everything just the metals.

Do you know if metal/plastic hybrid stuff is getting a hike? Like the blisters of single black knights?

Kilkrazy wrote:Guys, you have to decide if you like (A) miniature tabletop wargames or (B) only GW games.

If you answer A, there is a whole world of less expensive tabletop options out there.

Quoted for truth. I realized my answer was (A) in 2004 and haven't looked back.

I'll probably still buy a GW mini from time to time (I like the way the new WHFB Chaos stuff is looking, for example) but there's a huge world of awesome miniatures out there, if you can rid yourself of the silly idea that you're in the Games Workshop Hobby, and not the miniature wargaming hobby.

Hordini wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Guys, you have to decide if you like (A) miniature tabletop wargames or (B) only GW games.

If you answer A, there is a whole world of less expensive tabletop options out there.

Quoted for truth. I realized my answer was (A) in 2004 and haven't looked back.

I'll probably still buy a GW mini from time to time (I like the way the new WHFB Chaos stuff is looking, for example) but there's a huge world of awesome miniatures out there, if you can rid yourself of the silly idea that you're in the Games Workshop Hobby, and not the miniature wargaming hobby.

I have looked around but i keep finding myself uncontrolably drawn back to GW, i just find they are the best out there for me and i love them not matter what others say or try to convert me to.

Squig_herder wrote:
I have looked around but i keep finding myself uncontrolably drawn back to GW, i just find they are the best out there for me and i love them not matter what others say or try to convert me to.

I find this is true for their plastics. They really are pleasing to work with. I don't buy metal stuff from GW, so I'm largely unaffected by such price hikes.

That said, most of my gaming money no longer goes to GW. GW chooses not to receive it by not offering me the products I want. They still get some because they still offer the occasional good thing (Washes, Foundation Paints, Black Reach, LOTR Plastics) but generally speaking what they offer doesn't get my money at the current prices.

I tried A but my FLGS decided to lose the F and told me that I couldn´t play 40K with my proxy eldar army as the army was "very confusing" (sic) as I use Infinity and warzone minis (along with some heavily converted GW minis and tanks). They recomended me to try another army but if they can not stand my old and trusty Mishima units then I can stand not buying from them...

M.

Codex Space Marines is listed at $30.00 on advance order. Is this going to be the new codex prices?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1320003&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

When I started looking at the prices for this hobby the general boxed sets were around 30-35 $AU. $34.95 actually. Citadel paints were $3.50

I think the boxed sets went up to 40.00, when GW brought in the price banding crap. Paints then went up momentarily as well, although I could usually find them marked down in toy stores for the old 3.50.

GW prices in Australia ATM you can work out from around the fact that the 10 Marine kit is $50. Independent retailers usually knock at least 10% of GW's prices, which is sweet. 20-25% off new stuff online. Anyone surprised that GW has been getting upset about online indpndnt retailers? I mean, seriously, if they want to look friendly, why don't they lower OUR prices and hike it for the retailers just a tiny bit?

I don't plan on boycotting metal models. This has been discussed in another thread, but I love metal minis and I know that my Skaven army in particular would not be the same if it wasn't packing so much white metal. Except for the metal plague monks - I waited for the plastics just because those models were dumb, 4th Ed warhammer style.

Squig_herder wrote:
Why are they still making matal models?

They hold far more detail than plastic, and there are molding techniques that work on metal but not on plastic for whatever reason. Thus, metal allows for more detailed models. Plastic is catching up however, and this can be seen in the Black reach captain etc.. Over time more stuff will become plastic, but until then they will continue using metal. They are however, trying to phase metal out.

Canute: ours have been $35 for some time.

The GW boxed deals are also a very good value here in Canada. For example the 1500 point boxed SM army is $340 (The $100 over the US MSRP is obviously to cover shipping from Memphis... 30-50% shipping costs is normal right?)

Thanks GW. You guys rock!

canute wrote:Codex Space Marines is listed at $30.00 on advance order. Is this going to be the new codex prices?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1320003&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

According to another thread it is a thick book and has 50pp of fluff -- most other codexes are maximum 64pp including everything.

blinky wrote:

Squig_herder wrote:
Why are they still making matal models?

They hold far more detail than plastic, and there are molding techniques that work on metal but not on plastic for whatever reason. Thus, metal allows for more detailed models. Plastic is catching up however, and this can be seen in the Black reach captain etc.. Over time more stuff will become plastic, but until then they will continue using metal. They are however, trying to phase metal out.

It's also partly due to economies of scale. A typical 5ed. army needs something like 40-80 basic troops, and only one commander, so GW can't sell a lot of commanders. Plastic is only cheap for mass production, because of the cost of the moulds.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Squig_herder wrote:
Why are they still making matal models?

It's also partly due to economies of scale. A typical 5ed. army needs something like 40-80 basic troops, and only one commander, so GW can't sell a lot of commanders. Plastic is only cheap for mass production, because of the cost of the moulds.

They have made plastic commanders for a wide variety of armies now. Atleast the most popular ones. There's a plastic marines one. Chaos. On the fantasy side you'll find a couple as well. I also thought that the way to go would be to integrate them into existing sprues like they did with ripper swarms. A parter here and there where if you buy two troops choices worth of stuff, you'll be able to cobble together atleast a legal commander. For some armies, you can pretty much do this already.

>>They have made plastic commanders for a wide variety of armies now. Atleast the most popular ones. There's a plastic marines one. Chaos.

We know that SMs account for over 25% of GW sales by themselves, which obviously gives them economies of scale, so it proves my point.

I bet we'll never see a plastic Tau Ethereal.

Miguelsan wrote:my FLGS decided to lose the F

I couldn´t play 40K with my proxy eldar army as the army was "very confusing" (sic) as I use Infinity and warzone minis (along with some heavily converted GW minis and tanks).

"lose the F"?

Actually, your proxy "Eldar" army *does* sound confusing.

I guessing it became a less than Friendly place for Lord Proxy, for whatever reason.

I mean, if you're buying Infinity and Warzone miniatures from them, why would they care?

Oh, wait a minute...

It´s simple they are trading the other lines in favor of GW so I´m not longer welcomed there unless I turn everything GW, as I hate the eldar look (except for the scorpions-predator-wannabes they are really cool and the tanks) and the point was about using my minis with a codex that fitted my play style I guess that I´m not going to change armies until something interesting like the DKK comes in plastic.

If you want to be anal about proxing it be my guest but I was answering to the suggestion of playing MINIATURES, not playing GW MINIS only.

M.

Okay, I'm back. Sorry for the lag, but Burning Man tends to cook your noodle quite a bit. I totally forgot I was going to come back and share this.

Since I haven't heard any OH GOD NO DON'T from the site admins, here's a RS of the Excel Spreadsheet:
http://rapidshare.com/files/145635153/USA_Trade_Info_09-08.xls.html

I don't know when the hike is effective, I might be too late with this info to be really "rumoured", but whatever. There it is.

In other news, I bought my first GW product in years recently - the Black Reach Box Set. Nice enough Orks, the SMs are disappointing, and OMGKOPTERS!! My current gf wants to put them together and play. Oh god, please don't let me get sucked into this game again...

grickherder wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Squig_herder wrote:
Why are they still making matal models?

It's also partly due to economies of scale. A typical 5ed. army needs something like 40-80 basic troops, and only one commander, so GW can't sell a lot of commanders. Plastic is only cheap for mass production, because of the cost of the moulds.

They have made plastic commanders for a wide variety of armies now. Atleast the most popular ones. There's a plastic marines one. Chaos. On the fantasy side you'll find a couple as well. I also thought that the way to go would be to integrate them into existing sprues like they did with ripper swarms. A parter here and there where if you buy two troops choices worth of stuff, you'll be able to cobble together atleast a legal commander. For some armies, you can pretty much do this already.

Depends on the army. If you judge things by the latest releases you have plastic
High Elf leaders but metal Dark Elf and Vampire Count leaders. I have no clue
what Daemons of Chaos were made out of, nor what the Hordes of Chaos leaders
are made out of.

Although I don't like the price raises, I am happy that they aren't raising the prices on most of the Inquisition models. The Daemonhunter Inquisitor is already $15 for a human sized model.

I'm in the process of starting a sisters army and I was worried that I would have to get all my models within the next week or so to avoid the price raise. It turns out that I don't need to do that.

With the price increase hitting today, the price of the Space Marine Spearhead has shot up to $273. Normally I don't rant against GWs prices, but that is just insane.

double post

£15 for a codex.....

Scarecr0w14 wrote:£15 for a codex.....

Is the price they were when i first got into the hobby 10+ years ago...

My old ork codex still has the price label on it

Miguelsan wrote:It´s simple they are trading the other lines in favor of GW so I´m not longer welcomed there unless I turn everything GW, as I hate the eldar look (except for the scorpions-predator-wannabes they are really cool and the tanks) and the point was about using my minis with a codex that fitted my play style I guess that I´m not going to change armies until something interesting like the DKK comes in plastic.

If you want to be anal about proxing it be my guest but I was answering to the suggestion of playing MINIATURES, not playing GW MINIS only.

M.

So invite someone over, or go play at their house. If you're not at your local store you can play however you want.

On the other hand, if you're playing at your local store, then you abide by their rules. Your army does sound very confusing to play.

i never thought they were cheap. specially now. when i bought my first battle box set at 16 i paid like 70 bucks and got a TON of stuff for chaos. 2 squads of marines, a bike squad a berzerker squad a rhino and a lord. now id crap my pants if i saw then that cheap. i think its crazy i have to pay 30-35 bucks for a tactical squad. BUT i suck it up because i like playing and i REALLLY like modding

I stopped playing when I was 15 because it got too expensive and sucked up whatever cash I had at the time, but I wanted every model for whatever army I was putting together at any given time. Now I'm 27, have just took the plunge back into GW for the purpose of having a hobby other than getting pished and find that if I pace myself and buy one unit, by the time I've painted it up I can afford another one.

No denying that it's an expensive hobby, but I could spend £40 on a single Xbox game, £100 on a single night out, £60 on dinner and a movie or £45 for a weeks petrol so in perspective it isn't that bad unless you want a new army every month? 2nd Edition 40K was about £30-£35 quid and the plastic marines and orks in that were nothing compared to the plastic models I saw on my first foray for a decade in a GW store! (and I remember paying £6 for some blister packs back then!)