Chaos is out like, next month right?

We have no idea what's on deck for December or January?

I mean we have guesses but it seems by now we ought to know what the next 40k book is. IG? Space Wolfs? The even more annoying Space Elfs?

Just seems odd...

More Marienz. Hurr. Maybe some IG, but... nah.

2nd Wave Orks.

They've been tight-lipped about anything past Orks wave 2.0.

Lizardmen.

I've been told Space wolves is up next (jan - Feb) accompanying the Space Marine wave 2.

EDIT* and I forgot that they also have lizardmen and DE slated for next year too.

squats, and i'm not taking the piss

ok, yes i am

Christmas special?
Marneus, Abbadabbadoon and Eldrad all drinking egg nog and singing together about the true meaning of Christmas, after an adventure involving Abbadabbadoon's typical hyginx that ends well for everyone.

So, how long until we see the new IG codex then? Anything solid on this?

Not that I'm waiting for it, since I'll probably have to redo my IG force when that time comes,
but it is still good to know

al-Majid Agandhjin bin Ahfal al-Rashid

Wehrkind wrote:....... singing together about the true meaning of Christmas, ...........

Would that meaning be, purchasing more GW gear and figures?

Rumors from my FLGS are:
Ork Wave 2 hitting December or January.
IG are first quarter 2009, maybe even an April release (which would technically be second quarter).
And probably at least one month that's light on releases, maybe a few collector range or LotR figs, but not much else.

Sometime later in the year, will be the second Daemon and SM waves.
Space wolves are looking more and more like end of 2009. Maybe they'll be the Xmas 09 Spearhead.

Didn't we see greens for plastic storm troopers or was that my hallucinations again?

What's in marines wave 2? The LS Storm obviously, anything else?

2nd wave orks (or atleast a few things)
i know zagstruk will be released, theres talk of snikrot, and even a plastic stompa and grots.

ill be fine with just the stompa (they allways say they cant make large modes, yet now they are starting on forgeworld size things)
does this mean we are free of crappy moulded FW models?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Didn't we see greens for plastic storm troopers or was that my hallucinations again?

What's in marines wave 2? The LS Storm obviously, anything else?

The rest of the special characters, LotD, and the new Dread.

ixlar wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:....... singing together about the true meaning of Christmas, ...........

Would that meaning be, purchasing more GW gear and figures?

Why Yes! Yes it would!

December is quite the sucky month except for the thrill of ringing up huge loads of GW stuff and taking people's money. I'll be in the shop over 100 hours a week. Mall opens most days at 6am and closing at midnight. Somewhere around the 24th at 6pm, I sneak off to buy whatever is left to buy, stuff it in my kids stockings, and if all goes well, do nothing but sleep and eat all day the 25th.

So dump out your wallets and burn out your credit cards. Make your local store have a very merry christmas. Otherwise SantaOrk will come down the chimney, steal all your figures, and put a bolter shell between your eyes while your sleeping.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The even more annoying Space Elfs?

...

I crush you.

sphynx wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The even more annoying Space Elfs?

...

I crush you.

You're very touchy.

Probably the gender confusion caused by excessive space elf playing.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

sphynx wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The even more annoying Space Elfs?

...

I crush you.

You're very touchy.

Probably the gender confusion caused by excessive space elf playing.

Should switch to Green Marines, much more manly.

What do we know about the new Dreadnought? Is it a special, or just an upgraded kit? I've been debating buying one of the Mk IV Dreads from FW, but I can't justify the price... it'd be neat to see a comprehensive Dread box like the new LS with some of those options.

Bankruptcy?

Poor, poor Dark Eldar...

jfrazell wrote:Bankruptcy?

Didn't someone have that as his sig?

They don't want to release their plans more than 6 months because they're not sure they'll be around in 6 months?

Next year Necrons and Dark Eldars are supposed to get their revamp, it´s still not clear which one goes first. Also a new human faction is rumored to be in the pipeline, nothing really new, but an extension of the human empire. Also there are rumors about a plastic Valkyrie.

Oh, and GW is definitely not bancrupt, not now and not next year.

Will there be a Spase Demonz wave II?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Will there be a Spase Demonz wave II?

I sure hope so. Though hopefully they won't be spelled quite as douche-y ;-)

I was standing next to a space wofl play when he was asking about new codex at the whatsit table (which had the rules gimps at) and he was told no idea maybe ask me next year and i could tell you somthing..

so i wouldn't keep your hopes up for space wolves, althogh he could hav ebeen using smoke and mirrors

i think guard are far more likely with the cgi mock ups being spotted about

Codex Vermicious Knid. Book it.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Oh, and GW is definitely not bancrupt, not now and not next year.

Only morally, perhaps.

this thread is a good answer - no we don't.

After Orks wave 2 it could be: IG, Necrons, DE or Space Wolves, and my guess would be in that particular order with some FB stuff in between.

I've heard Lizardmen for Fantasy next year sometime before. Exciting. Perfect time for me to get into 'Ard Boyz.

Honestly, aside form Orks 2, I'm just waiting for new Plastic Daemons(especially that Prince).

According to certain people whose in the "know" the IG codex release is going to be already in feb next year...
Don't know if its worth getting our hopes up...


//Edge

Orks are up in January with several characters (Snikrot, Badrukk and Zagstrukk), the plastic Battle Wagon, plastic Grots and plastic Nobs. Around May we get the Imperial Guard with a new Russ variant (10 to 1 it is a Leman Russ Executioner), a slightly redesigned Chimera kit that doubles as a Hellhound, plastic storm troopers with access to shotguns and a commissar lord. After that we stumble onto Planet Strike with a plastic Thunderhawk, Valkyrie and new 40k building kits such as a landing pad and bunker. After that, who knows? We might be getting Space Wolves first as Jervis has a huge man-crush on them or the Necrons as a splash release to quickly patch up the they made. Second wave of Daemons can also be expected with what I've heard plastic Plague Bearers and a plastic Daemon Prince.

Anyone hear anything about tomb kings? I thought I read somewhere they were expecting it around end of 09 or beginning of 10... and Necrons would be roughly the same time...

I so hope the landing pad/bunker rumours are true(or any new GW building sets). I love GW terrain sets.

Platuan4th wrote:I so hope the landing pad/bunker rumours are true(or any new GW building sets). I love GW terrain sets.

yeah, they're hot but epensive. As long as plasticard is cheaper.....

Hope the IG shiz is out then, ill be proper chuffed

$25USD is expensive?

My local Black Shirt said Dark Eldar around Christmas.
But he works for the company, so knows nothing

Basicaly we know nothing. Best guesses are: Warriors o'Chaos, the Orks II, then Marines II, Lizardmen, Guard, Planet Strike (hopefully with a 40k version of Mighty Empires), followed by DE. Why do I suggest DE? Jes has been busy, and he does not work on any of the aforementioned armies. (although it would be awesome to ditch the whole current Lizardmen line aside from the Slan, and have Jes resculpt them to the standard of the new cold ones) I would guess that Space Woofs and Necrons would follow in '10 with Tomb Kings, Skaven, and Bretonnia. hard to say what would come out for LotR, there must be a couple of months worth of releases there too. So again, let me repeat that we know nothing.

I think that having NOTHING new shown at GD UK should have been a shock to everyone, but there was very little notice taken of this. The 6th month window has become a 2 month window, and that comes from White Dwarf more than it does from events now.

I'm liking the idea of second wave releases.

They are able to get out models that otherwise would be left, undone.
Generate interest in an army again 1 year after it was released (I'm sure it will start new ork players)

And it can be fitted in with a WHFB or LOTR 'month', or even spread accross several months to keep the interst going.

Wait, so, does Wave II SM releases mean that for 6+ months, there won't be models to represent stuff in the Codex? I thought GW was finally past that strategy.

Fourth Battle for Armageddon, baby.

But seriously, why does anyone think Eldar are getting a new 'dex any time soon? They've taken 5th ed. on board pretty damned well., with only a couple of obsolete features that are more like improvement.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:They are able to get out models that otherwise would be left, undone.

Completely untrue.

Before they started this whole second wave thing, all the new models were released when the Codex was released. It's been like this since the Necrons got their first Codex in 3rd - GW made an effort to ensure we didn't get the 2nd Ed situation where only half to 2/3rds of a Codex actually had official models. Now they've changed horses mid-race again, and while we're not left with units without models, we have to wait 6-12 months to get the other half of them. This is simply so that a model line doesn't get a big release and then nothing for the next 5 years.

It's not a terrible idea, but it is definately a double-edged sword. On one hand, we still get all the models that we used to get, and nothing will be left unmade, but on the other hand we have to wait a while for some pretty big items.

BYE

The Beasts of Chaos FAQ suggested a new BOC release was in the pipeline, but I'm skeptical that any more than like 9 people remember who they are.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:They are able to get out models that otherwise would be left, undone.

Completely untrue.

Before they started this whole second wave thing, all the new models were released when the Codex was released. It's been like this since the Necrons got their first Codex in 3rd - GW made an effort to ensure we didn't get the 2nd Ed situation where only half to 2/3rds of a Codex actually had official models. Now they've changed horses mid-race again, and while we're not left with units without models, we have to wait 6-12 months to get the other half of them. This is simply so that a model line doesn't get a big release and then nothing for the next 5 years.

It's not a terrible idea, but it is definately a double-edged sword. On one hand, we still get all the models that we used to get, and nothing will be left unmade, but on the other hand we have to wait a while for some pretty big items.

BYE

HBMC, I agree with the double-edged sword metaphor, but here's the backswing: how long has it been since a Marine codex had this many new units? I mean, the number of variants and new models like Stern/Vanguard, the heavy Dred, new LR, scout speeder, new pods... that's a lot of stuff for one army release. It seems like now we not only get all the stuff in the codex, there's more stuff in the codex period. And while waves do mean a bit of waiting between acquisitions, what percentage of gamers will actually have painted the stuff they bought 6 months before by the time wave 2 of their army rolls around?

I dunno- seems to me like there's nothing to complain about unless there's some make-or-break unit that one really, really needs for a tourney. And then there's the opportunity to convert one's own before everyone else gets the new toy- be the first one on your hab-block, etc.

Where the wave strategy will really shine will be with armies that need a complete line update (like Dark Eldar) or completely new armies (fat chance of those anytime soon, but it's a point to make). It will however suck if applied to armies like Necrons, who aren't going to need more than a half-dozen new releases or so. Seeing those sparser armies' releases spaced out for marketing rather than production reasons will be annoying, you're right.

Shoot- double post. Sorry!

I remember the beastmen I have a kroot beastman army that I've played a whole 2 times :( .. just kinda not into fantasy lately, ever since Apocalypse 40K has been more fun for me...

right now the only thing coming soon that I really want is guard stuff.. gonna get the marine codex for potty reading though...

Savnock wrote:

Where the wave strategy will really shine will be with armies that need a complete line update (like Dark Eldar) or completely new armies (fat chance of those anytime soon, but it's a point to make). It will however suck if applied to armies like Necrons, who aren't going to need more than a half-dozen new releases or so. Seeing those sparser armies' releases spaced out for marketing rather than production reasons will be annoying, you're right.

I would doubt that Necron releases would get spaced out like that if all they add is 6 or so new kits. The only way I see that happening is if all the new kits aren't ready when the codex launches.

Besides, there is always the conversion route, players have had to deal with that forever, Battlewagons(which still don't have a plastic kit 10 years later), and Defilers(which were a later release) anyone?

Battle Wagon is in the 2nd Wave Ork releases. Just because there hasn't been an official model in plastic since the RT's is irrelevent. GW cares nothing for history - they only look at the current edition.

The Defiler was an interesting case - some models are held back for a special release. Defilers were held for the EoT Campaign, and were the only unit in the 'Dex (besides Lucius) that didn't get a model straight up.

Really I can't think of a situation that is better than the current one. I don't like it how I have to wait 6-12 months before my Storm Troopers can finally get their hands on the Land Speeder Transport I've wanted for so long, but on the other hand I can really see the benefit of not dumping everything on us at once in a huge release and then give us nothing for the next 5 years.

And I never want to go back to the 2nd Ed situation, where some models simply didn't have models for years because they were OOP (Marine Bikes are a good example, most of the Ork line). Hell, the first Guard unit of the post-RT era - the Leman Russ - was released when there weren't even any readily available Guard miniatures yet, or even a Codex. Be thankful for what we have, even if it'll never be perfect.

BYE

My friend who works at GW said that the only things he was told that are coming up are more Orks/Marines . .
And lizardmen

A good source for infos is Bells of Lost Souls, the accuracy of their forecasts is quite good (no wonder if you recall who makes up Bells).

Actually we do know what comes out next, the only problem is: in which order. On the other hand for some projects GW changed the timetable not so long ago. So it's no wonder it gets a bit fuzzy when it comes to the timetable.

Hold your breath for the Valkyrie, but for heavens sake don´t do this for the plastic thunderhawk.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:... . Also a new human faction is rumored to be in the pipeline, nothing really new, but an extension of the human empire. ...

... .

Oh FFS!

Yet another Imperial faction?

Isn't it enough to have SMs, IG, all the special SMs, and the various special non-IG non-SM special flavour of the month speciality armies?

I don't think the game needs yet another army of any kind, but if we absolutely have to, it would be a lot more interesting to have a new human faction that was non-Imperial, non-Chaos and had some kind of different technology and fighting style.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Completely untrue.

Before they started this whole second wave thing, all the new models were released when the Codex was released. It's been like this since the Necrons got their first Codex in 3rd - GW made an effort to ensure we didn't get the 2nd Ed situation where only half to 2/3rds of a Codex actually had official models.

This wasn't just a 2nd edition issue, it was all through 3rd edition. The Land Raider, the Wave Serpent, the (still not out) Battlewagon and I'm sure several others I've forgotten were all vaporware for a year or more. Other things were tied into minidexes, so there was a defacto 2nd wave when the Craftworld or Armageddon Codex came out.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:... . Also a new human faction is rumored to be in the pipeline, nothing really new, but an extension of the human empire. ...

... .

Oh FFS!

Yet another Imperial faction?

That's so obiquely phrased i wouldn't even call it a rumor.

Now we know Adeptus Mech are coming from Forgeworld so it could just be that. We strong suspect an all-in-one Inquisition book is coming so it might be that. Not exactly new but it would be an easy release for GW.

Space Pirates, Mercenaries, non-Marine Chaos or cults have always been possible but I've heard no rumors of the... ever.

So if there's anything to it I'd say it's just FW adeptus mech. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Sorry one addition, I heard today from someone in GW emerging markets that 'the future of those games [mordheim and Necromunda] is as part of 40k and fantasy.'

And there was a whisper a while back that Kill Team would become a suppliment. Perhaps it will be for hive gangs and cults?

Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

There is one reason why GW is so reluctant to bring out non-human races.

Does anyone remember the release of the Tau?

Quite some people in UK and Germany started a boycott because they did not like the new race. Financially it was a quite sobering experience for GW. I still can´t understand where all the hatred came from, but those guys can gratulate themselves for causing GW to become very reluctant to release anything else but human races.

Orks roll out in January-- 4th I believe.

Plastic nobz, gretchin, stormboyz and battlewagon. Zagstrukk skarsnik and *blanksnames* other characters, but no models for zogwort or wazzdakka.

Liardmen are the next fantasy race, Marchish I think.

Guard are April time.

We also get " The War of the Ring" revamped LOTR mass combat system next year as well, comes with a swanky new box set akin to the other 2 core games sets. Think all 3 sets are to go up by $10 as well ... not sure when exactly.

I reckon Space pups are around GD UK next year, so Septemberish.

We are supposed to get a few demon models next year as well, think this is limited to special characters and plastic mounted daemonette thingys.

Dont ask me for my source; but believe of this what you wll...

Jan – Orks 2nd Wave (Stormboyz, Plastic Gretchin, etc – Battlewagon would fit into this timeframe)
Feb – Lizardmen Fantasy (Plastic Steg and availiable as rare, special and mount option – max of 9 in one list; implies Slaan or Saurus has to be the general, new kroxigors)
March – Daemons 2nd Wave (Plastic Daemon Prince – previewed in Chaos Mortals list, new seekers, rest of the named Daemons, possibly generic daemons and a Battleforce)
April – LotR “War of the Ring”
May – Imperial Guard
June – Paints are going into the pots that the washes use

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

There is one reason why GW is so reluctant to bring out non-human races.

Funny, I always got the feeling that GW disfavored non-human races, the IG has always been a poor step-sister and there's a feeling among many fantasy fans that humans are boring. MARINEZ (HURR!) are superhuman and thus are cool but ordinary puny humans have never been their focus.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

There is one reason why GW is so reluctant to bring out non-human races.

Does anyone remember the release of the Tau?

Quite some people in UK and Germany started a boycott because they did not like the new race. Financially it was a quite sobering experience for GW. I still can´t understand where all the hatred came from, but those guys can gratulate themselves for causing GW to become very reluctant to release anything else but human races.

Wishful thinking I'm afraid.

Boycotts of products have to be on a truly massive scale to make anything felt. A few geeks objecting to a new race does not an impact make.

New Lizard box art-work at GDUK I did see...

Ooooh!

Tell more you big git!

Basically in the studio bit, there was some dude with a Mac showing how they make boxes. Each army has a large piece of art, which they use as box backgrounds for super-imposing the models on. So if you look at a space marinez box they all have this exploding fiery thing behind the model pictures. That background image is a a different section of a larger piecs of art on each box.

This dude with the mac was showing off a new piece of jungly lizardman art. Although he clammed up when Greg and I asked him if it was for new boxes...

Yeah I remember seeing a box of large Orks at that stand from a distance. Looked like it might be the new Nobs and as I went closer the guy put it under the table after noticing it.
Why bring the damn thing if you can't show it you muppet?

Yeah, and don't go grouping IG with Space Marines. IG are human. Space Marines are flash-grown pre-pubescent boys that are made into super-men. = Lame.

Aeon wrote:Dont ask me for my source; but believe of this what you wll...

Jan – Orks 2nd Wave (Stormboyz, Plastic Gretchin, etc – Battlewagon would fit into this timeframe)
Feb – Lizardmen Fantasy (Plastic Steg and availiable as rare, special and mount option – max of 9 in one list; implies Slaan or Saurus has to be the general, new kroxigors)
March – Daemons 2nd Wave (Plastic Daemon Prince – previewed in Chaos Mortals list, new seekers, rest of the named Daemons, possibly generic daemons and a Battleforce)
April – LotR “War of the Ring”
May – Imperial Guard
June – Paints are going into the pots that the washes use

This.

1 BillionX this

9 Stegadons would be completely ridiculous.

9 Stegadons would be completely ridiculous.

i think someones source is talking crap.
at 250 points a pop even 4 would be stupid.
and chances of a points drop is pretty slim.

Never cared for the old Stegadons myself. I used a Carnisaur as a Skink Chief mount in my old Southlands list, and counted it as a Stegadon.

i kind of done the same aduro, it was the beast i built for the engine of the gods (carnasaur with extensive work) ripped it apart when all the lustria junk fell to pieces.

We can deduce what's NOT coming next. GW never releases two SM codices consecutively, so we can rule out Space Wolves being next. In July's White Dwarf Rick Priestly said that Dark Eldar were soon to get attention once again. But the WD also mentions that Imperial Guard are currently being worked on, and there are all sorts of Necron rumors circulating. DE have been in the works for over a year so to venture a guess, I'd say DE are next for 40k, unless they got held back for more fine-tuning. In which case it's probably Necrons. IG got a Codex more recently than DE and Necrons. In fact, though it came out at the end of 3rd ed., The current IG codex was written with 4th ed rules in mind so I'd put them behind even Space Wolves.

But I have to agree that's it's VERY unusual that nobody really has any idea what's next... (Which might reinforce my DE theory, since they attack from nowhere, suddenly and unexpectedly. GW might unveil their ad campaign the same way.)

Aduro wrote:Never cared for the old Stegadons myself. I used a Carnisaur as a Skink Chief mount in my old Southlands list, and counted it as a Stegadon.

I was thinking last night that the Steggy model is ... uninspiring. Cool to hear of a new Plastic kit. They need a new dinosaur ... maybe a ... flying one ... wait.

They could make a Brontosaurus-type but I do not know if it would be a big seller.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Be thankful for what we have, even if it'll never be perfect.

Who are you, and what have you done with HBMC?

"Quite some people in UK and Germany started a boycott because they did not like the new race."

That is because the Tau are felthy commies.

Somewhere I heard on here from a reasonable source that Squats were getting a 5th ed redo. I tell no lie. Maybe they finally have the core rules down they can take a look at army lists.

Archonate wrote:We can deduce what's NOT coming next. GW never releases two SM codices consecutively, so we can rule out Space Wolves being next. In July's White Dwarf Rick Priestly said that Dark Eldar were soon to get attention once again. But the WD also mentions that Imperial Guard are currently being worked on, and there are all sorts of Necron rumors circulating. DE have been in the works for over a year so to venture a guess, I'd say DE are next for 40k, unless they got held back for more fine-tuning. In which case it's probably Necrons. IG got a Codex more recently than DE and Necrons. In fact, though it came out at the end of 3rd ed., The current IG codex was written with 4th ed rules in mind so I'd put them behind even Space Wolves.

But I have to agree that's it's VERY unusual that nobody really has any idea what's next... (Which might reinforce my DE theory, since they attack from nowhere, suddenly and unexpectedly. GW might unveil their ad campaign the same way.)

We've seen new IG greens, but we haven't seen anything DE or Necron other than rumours. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that they'll be sooner rather than later.

IG greens? I haven't seen any.
I've seen the CAD drawings at the same time as the ork 2nd wave CAD drawings, but no models.

I hope I G come soon.
Necrons will be similar to tau in that the studio can just knock the new book out without draining too many resources from the studion, allowing them some breathing space to work on the other, bigger projects.

Agree + 1 on 9 stegs in an army = lame rumour.

But the kroxis need new models and the one at games day looked quite good.

I was going to buy another metal steg (and may still) but a plastic one would be much appreciated...

I would probably go for a plastic kit of Kroxigors. 4 in a box, something like that? With some cool doodads.

Plastic Kroxigars would be nice. Granted they don't look like they got run over by a wheelchair at the Special Olympics.

Tacobake wrote:Somewhere I heard on here from a reasonable source that Squats were getting a 5th ed redo. I tell no lie. Maybe they finally have the core rules down they can take a look at army lists.

Hi. My name is 'jervis' and I'm a squataholic. Don't even tease like that. If the 'S'-word ever came out again I'd choose models over food. Although I could do an IG list with stunties, I just want them to see the light of day again, somewhere, somehow. Then I can die happy.

Le Grognard wrote:

Tacobake wrote:Somewhere I heard on here from a reasonable source that Squats were getting a 5th ed redo. I tell no lie. Maybe they finally have the core rules down they can take a look at army lists.

Hi. My name is 'jervis' and I'm a squataholic. Don't even tease like that. If the 'S'-word ever came out again I'd choose models over food. Although I could do an IG list with stunties, I just want them to see the light of day again, somewhere, somehow. Then I can die happy.

At least once a month I'm tempted by the warstore's dirt cheap Skull Pass dwarf gunners to make a Squats as Tao army...

I even have 3 toys that would make perfect gyro-coptors.

And I can make some steampunk crisis suits...

And slayers as kroot...

And... NO! NO! NO!

No...

Maybe they can be Dire Avengers or Dark Reapers for my Sensei army...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Le Grognard wrote:

Tacobake wrote:Somewhere I heard on here from a reasonable source that Squats were getting a 5th ed redo. I tell no lie. Maybe they finally have the core rules down they can take a look at army lists.

Hi. My name is 'jervis' and I'm a squataholic. Don't even tease like that. If the 'S'-word ever came out again I'd choose models over food. Although I could do an IG list with stunties, I just want them to see the light of day again, somewhere, somehow. Then I can die happy.

At least once a month I'm tempted by the warstore's dirt cheap Skull Pass dwarf gunners to make a Squats as Tao army...

I even have 3 toys that would make perfect gyro-coptors.

And I can make some steampunk crisis suits...

And slayers as kroot...

And... NO! NO! NO!

No...

Maybe they can be Dire Avengers or Dark Reapers for my Sensei army...

maybe they got eat by the Tyranids for a reason.

Ratbarf wrote:"Quite some people in UK and Germany started a boycott because they did not like the new race."

That is because the Tau are felthy commies.

Ironically they became one of the more popular non-SM armies.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:IG greens? I haven't seen any.
I've seen the CAD drawings at the same time as the ork 2nd wave CAD drawings, but no models.

I hope I G come soon.
Necrons will be similar to tau in that the studio can just knock the new book out without draining too many resources from the studion, allowing them some breathing space to work on the other, bigger projects.

I hope they redo the Krootox. Not much of a chance there, but to me its one of the worst miniatures when it comes to parts fitting together (or better not fitting togehter).

Agreed.

Don't hold your breath for it.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:IG greens? I haven't seen any.
I've seen the CAD drawings at the same time as the ork 2nd wave CAD drawings, but no models.

I hope I G come soon.
Necrons will be similar to tau in that the studio can just knock the new book out without draining too many resources from the studion, allowing them some breathing space to work on the other, bigger projects.

BrookM beat me to it above.

OK, the greens cement it - Guard are next, with maybe an WD article for the Woofs to replace their sub-dex.

I dunno, I would think it would take more than a green of a single guardsman to cement it for me. Didn't they show a finished Wolf a while back?

Furthest ahead staff are allowed to say right now is first week in January (start of ork wave 2... nobz, wagon, stormboy character and komando character)

There might be more rumours by the end of this week due to a managers meeting and what they are allowed to spill the beans about


Me I'm keeping my mouth shut for now

Tacobake wrote:Somewhere I heard on here from a reasonable source that Squats were getting a 5th ed redo. I tell no lie. Maybe they finally have the core rules down they can take a look at army lists.

New Imperials Anyone?

Aduro wrote:I dunno, I would think it would take more than a green of a single guardsman to cement it for me. Didn't they show a finished Wolf a while back?

We have seen a few new Space Wolf figures, and IG figures. I have seen some of the new Dark Eldar models, but they have not been featured anywhere.

The schedule as I understand it is:
NOV=WoC durr
DEC=nothing but full belly's and empty wallets
JAN=Orks 2.0
FEB=lizards
then it's ether IG or Necrons. Probably IG first.
DE and SW are still in development rules wise(the models are more or less done from what I hear).
Skaven are sandwiched in between the four 40k armies somewhere.

hope that helps a little.

BoLS breaks cover on what's coming in 2009:
Q1 Apocalypse 3
Q2 IG
Q3 Necrons
Q4+ Dark Eldar (yeah, riiight...)

Any takers that the Woofs get the DE slot?

JD21290 wrote:2nd wave orks (or atleast a few things)
i know zagstruk will be released, theres talk of snikrot, and even a plastic stompa and grots.

ill be fine with just the stompa (they allways say they cant make large modes, yet now they are starting on forgeworld size things)
does this mean we are free of crappy moulded FW models?

man that would be AWESOME! ive helped some friends put some FW minis together and those things i swear they make NOT to goto gether. ive learned to just bring ALL my tools when im asked "hey you wanna help me put FW stuff together?"

I've found that using different glue other than Citadel glue works miracles on resin. Paired with glue accelerators things should work out okay.

Still though, here's hoping GW will take over the most important models in the FW range!

I really don't care about Daemons but when does their 2nd wave come out? I know GW's working on a f-ugly daemon prince, that resembles the soul grinder.

JD21290 wrote:

9 Stegadons would be completely ridiculous.

i think someones source is talking crap.
at 250 points a pop even 4 would be stupid.
and chances of a points drop is pretty slim.

Yep; my source is crap - weird how I beat Bell of Lost Souls by a couple of days...

JohnHwangDD wrote:BoLS breaks cover on what's coming in 2009:
Q1 Apocalypse 3
Q2 IG
Q3 Necrons
Q4+ Dark Eldar (yeah, riiight...)

Any takers that the Woofs get the DE slot?

Agreed. A whole year without Spase Mareenz? I don't think GW will be able to manage it. My money's on Space Wolves kicking Dark Eldar into 2010 Q1.

JohnHwangDD wrote:BoLS breaks cover on what's coming in 2009:
Q1 Apocalypse 3
Q2 IG
Q3 Necrons
Q4+ Dark Eldar (yeah, riiight...)

Any takers that the Woofs get the DE slot?

(If you don't like angry rants, ignore this post. Offensive stuff lies herein.)
I'm a hard-core DE player and I've gotten my hopes up too many times just to have them crushed by the endless stream of dopey-lookin, bell-bottom wearin, overhyped, unoriginal, overdone to the point of cliche noob armies, that is space marines/chaos. DE unpopular after 10 years without attention?! Gee, how can that be?! I wonder if any army would fare any better after 10 years and two new rules editions of nothing but an errata that should have been with them in the first place.
Any army release besides SMs was probably in desperate need of an update (no-thanks TO SMs.) The attention they get anymore is just obnoxious and an obstacle in the way of far more interesting armies and their far more interesting backgrounds/story lines. SM/chaos players are just fine. I see your excitement. On some level I may even understand your excitement. I just can't feel your excitement. Instead of DE, we get ridiculous joke-armies-from-nowhere like Chaos Demons. DE should have been released instead of them. And the fact that they're not at the front of the line before Necrons, IG and SWs (armies that ALL have more recent updates than DE already) has fans like me just as speechless as ever at the way DE are being treated. We laugh when we hear sniveling from other players. SMs wanting better this or more of that or that chaos sucks since their new codex. Some even mention demands for other ridiculous joke-armies-from-nowhere like Kroot armies, LatD, Eldar Exodites, Adeptus Custodes, etc.
The above post implying that DE might put put off until 2010 has me angry. Not at him for saying so, but angry at the truth of the absolute possibility thereof.
All there really is to like about SMs, imo, is how easy they are to defeat.
Hope my rant didn't scar the delicate emotions that characterize Space Marines. (And sometimes the people who play them. ) But, seriously, enough is enough.

Dude, if you're a DE player, you really should stop rising to the bait. GW keeps releasing these totally unsubstantiated rumors just to yank your chain. I suggest you assume that any potential DE relaunch is hot air until GW shares something solid.

Archonate wrote: Some even mention demands for other ridiculous joke-armies-from-nowhere like Kroot armies, LatD, Eldar Exodites, Adeptus Custodes, etc.

I'm willing to bet that before they pulled LatD from the allowed army lists it had more representation overall than DE did. We had 1 DE player locally, that's taking about 4 LGS stores into account. By that same token, I knew at least one player at each store who had LatD. I'll give you the others, but really, LatD had a codex list, players that bought that army need something other than "use IG rules."

LATD a joke army?

Please. There were probably more LATD armies than DE, DH and WH combined.

One of the more important factors for the Space Wolves release would be that GW releases something alongside them that benefits the entire SM range. BT's got scouts and chaplains, DA's got Devastators and Librarians. Main question is, what hasn't been redone as of yet for the marine range?

JohnHwangDD wrote:Dude, if you're a DE player, you really should stop rising to the bait. GW keeps releasing these totally unsubstantiated rumors just to yank your chain. I suggest you assume that any potential DE relaunch is hot air until GW shares something solid.

You're right and that's pretty much what I've done. I'll believe it when GW circulates pics of new minis and the usual hype that they generally stir up as a new army release approaches.

I'm willing to bet that before they pulled LatD from the allowed army lists it had more representation overall than DE did. We had 1 DE player locally, that's taking about 4 LGS stores into account. By that same token, I knew at least one player at each store who had LatD. I'll give you the others, but really, LatD had a codex list, players that bought that army need something other than "use IG rules."

I'll give you that. Frankly I think they've kept DE around because their so deeply rooted into the Eldar history. And the Eldar are deeply rooted into 40k. There's already been alot of 40k history written around who the DE are and what they do. LatD, though maybe more popular as an army, were extraneous enough in 40k history that they could be cut out as a playable army. Necrons are probably lucky the same didn't happen to them. I think GW is just trying to refine everything to a level that they can manage... Which makes the release of a balls-to-the-wall army like Chaos Demons all the more puzzling... Where the crap did that come from? Deformed, random looking space monsters is a little too B-movie for 40k. Their place in chaos armies was much less silly, imo.

I have seen WIP greens of new Homunculi float around somewhere a few months ago, strictly WIP and in no way official bearing on the eventual DE miniature line.

As far as I know all demons has been a fantasy army for a while. I suspect that when they removed the god specific demons from CSM that they gave them their own codex to not piss off the players that had a bunch (Word Bearer players maybe?).

I'm anxiously awaiting the lizardman book . Also, there have been Codex - Legions rumours floating around here for a while... Anyone heard anything about that? ( and yes, I know, its more hurr marienz 'nstuff, but I havent been happy with my 40k army since codex diet evil marines came out...)

EDIT: spelling, its early around here and its a friday...

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

That's not bad at all, although, I'd be happier to see Traitor Guard in the queue...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

That's not bad at all, although, I'd be happier to see Traitor Guard in the queue...

I hear we're getting Adeptus Mechanicus, Dark Mechanicus and Wood Mechanicus.

Maybe even an Adeptus Terra army

In July's White Dwarf Rick Priestly said that Dark Eldar were soon to get attention once again.

At adepticon this year Phil Kelly stated they were in the works but I dont remember a timeframe. Maybe it was all the caffien

The reality of GW is if it is not withing 2-3 months it can and will change. I am a DE fan myself and tried pulling something other than my wych cult out and was so depressed I put em all back on the shelf. I will say that the nightmare doll is finally worth taking now as it has a potential of giving you first turn!!! It was also my understanding that the greens for the haemoculi were actually non-GW or practice sculpts and not official.

As for wolfs getting an updated dex in the white dwarf that is doubtful. After the Blood angels GW said they would never do that again....oh wait...that means they should be ready by next month hehehe.

To reference early posts GW decided at the begining of this year that they were no longer going to hold up new army's for the models. Personally I like having to convert models to get what I need. It adds more to the game for me but I am a hobby nazi I guess....