Just checked a site that previously had the boards on pre-order for £75 plus £10 p&p and found an apology saying that GW have put the price up to £150 before release. Tried to confirm it by going to the GW site but its under maintenance so no luck...
Was going to get the basic set but it would of been a push money wise, now there is no way I can afford them! Must be a world record, 50% increase before release!!!
Mick

Point of order.. that's not a 50% increase, that's a 100% increase. 75 + 75 = 150.. A 50% increase would be 75 + 37.50 =112.50.

And I would agree, that's a huge increase that pretty much puts it outa range of anyone ...

It was an independant site that had them for £75, GW's original price was £100, hence the 50% increase. Sorry for any confusion...
Mick

yeah,
I don't get the increase? if it hasn't been out yet they can't claim due to world price increases?
...
what ever happened to...


I'm really looking forward to this, I was thinking about buying two... I don't know about getting two now?
I really like the GW plastic hills and COD and thought this would be the icing on the cake... It's looking like expensive icing now..

Panic...

I know the people who have seen it at Games days etc think its pretty swish but I was not in need of one.

This price makes it well beyond even thinking about for me, I have better things to blow my money on GW miniature wise....

Whats that equal to, about 250-275 USD-wise? Wow...give me $200 and I'll build you something sturdier than that, 2x2 sections, flocked and all.

It's a tough sell at $300....I would have bought it at $200, but at $300, I can build 2 or 3 really nice tables (Full tables, with folding legs, etc).....

I'd rather have expensive forgeworld stuff at that price range. Like the anphelion terrain or something...

£150!

$300 dollars for something I can make with board,foam,sand,and thier crater set.
I would rather have the forgeworld trench sysytem
I hope they do not make too many of these things,I don't want the rest of the models prices to go up to cover the losses from this.
I just personally see alot of these thing going unsold.

I've been told by my GW rep that the US is holding to the cheaper price for the first printrun. Later printruns will go up. So if you're interested in one, grab it on the first go around.

$300 for that load of shi*te??!!! What, do they think we're stupid Now if you'll excuse me, it's friday and I just got paid--I have to go spend $35 on 3 plastic ork warbikers....

mikhaila wrote:I've been told by my GW rep that the US is holding to the cheaper price for the first printrun. Later printruns will go up. So if you're interested in one, grab it on the first go around.

I was told by the manager at my local GW that they couldn't do that, and they're selling them for $275.

I canceled my preorder. I could swing $175, even 200, for a little time saving. When it went over that, there's just no way. I think they shot themselves in the foot here.

Yeah, no kidding.

$175 - hey, maybe. It'd be nice to have
$200 - hmmm, that's near my limit. I'll think about it, maybe get it from Neal.
$275 - This was a $100 cheaper ten days ago. No interest now.

$275,
Chuck

The thought of getting one before has crossed my mind more then once, but now it is just insane. I would be better off going to Home Depot and get them to tell me how to build one...

So the reasonable price is $175, eh? I'll build you a customized table for $175, just PM me.

I was considering this too but not now :( mostly because I won't be ready to buy it till I buy my new house and get my war room going so it's still several months off.. maybe by then they will be selling them as separate tiles and I can just pick and choose the ones I want

stormtitan wrote:It's a tough sell at $300....I would have bought it at $200, but at $300, I can build 2 or 3 really nice tables (Full tables, with folding legs, etc).....

I'd rather have expensive forgeworld stuff at that price range. Like the anphelion terrain or something...

No.
You do not want the Anphelion base.
The Anphelion base is your enemy.
The Anphelion base is evil.

My buddy bought the Anphelion base... the biggest one. This guy has probably HUNDREDS of FW pieces, from models to model pieces (Rhino doors, etc). He has probably 12 - 20 FW CoD building ruins and the complete Wall set (the big one with the huge gates for 40K... I forget the name). The Anphelion base was the single worst set of all of it. Pieces were horribly miscast, the "tabs" on them, where the resin was poured into the mold are about an eighth to a quarter inch thick (at the NARROW point), NOTHING lined up right... NOTHING. The decorative windows (at the top, roof sections) were... just bad. They ran from non-existent (empty holes) to being so thick you'd have to dremel them out.
It's about the worst kit FW has put out.

Spend your money on the various ruined buildings they're marketing for CoD, if you want to get FW stuff. You'll be all the saner for it.

Eric

Lormax wrote:So the reasonable price is $175, eh? I'll build you a customized table for $175, just PM me.

Made out of connecting plastic?

I'm out if it's > 200 USD on the GW version.

I still think lots of mums will happily buy it for little Johnny and his pals, but self-respecting Vets will prefer to put the money into figures or stuff for self-building terrain.

I thought if it was advertised at £100 they had to sell it at £100 .....

You can get a 4' x 8' piece of 2" pink foam insulation at any home labrynth store for $20 or less, a hot-wire cutter and a hot glue gun for about that much and a 3' by 5' conference table at an office furniture rental liquidation store for $40-$50. That's all the materials for $100 or less, so it's just a matter of whether you have the time to do it. I'm willing personally to take my chances with my own work. No thanks, GW.

Urgh.
It's modular aswell. I hate modular boards. It's better to have a completely blank board that you can arrange scenery pieces on.
You could nearly buy an army for that price.

So not worth $300. Not even sure its worth $200.

But this is the what, second or third time a lower price is told then switched to a higher price when released. GW needs to get their poop together. Either that or they plan on doing this on purpose as a bait and switch.

What such a table is worth is dependent upon what your time is worth (to make your own) or what comparable or better alternatives exist (Lormax!!). If there's something better for $200 (already painted/flocked) or your time is pretty expensive (above $20 per hour), go another way. If you're a lawyer and there's nothing as good as this on the internet (or shipping would drive the price of those alternatives way high) go with the GW thing.

Kane wrote:I thought if it was advertised at £100 they had to sell it at £100 .....

No, it's called an invitation to treat.

You make the formal contract offer when you send in your form. If they accept the offer, for instance by emailing you back that they have accepted, then you have a contract.

The same applies in a shop. The sticker price is an invitation to treat. You make the offer when you go to the till. You are legally entitled to offer less than the sticker price.

Well crap, I'll have to look at the girl really sad for the coming months if I want one of these

Well, a friend in Canada subscribes to WD and received a mini holiday catalogue to go with it. It listed the gaming board at $250 Canadian. I can't see the American price being higher. Probably going to be around $200.

Zoned

Mick A wrote:It was an independant site that had them for £75, GW's original price was £100, hence the 50% increase. Sorry for any confusion...
Mick

Then I retract my above criticism.

yeah,
plus the storage angle,
A 6x4 board or table has to go somewhere. this comes in a tidy 2'x2' storage bag.

I replaced my styrofoam hills with the GW plastic hills because they are stackable and tidy away into less space.
My entire open space table set up has 3 hills, 6 modular hills loads of trees which all fit into a 13"cube (ikea shelves the tree's are in the cardboardbox).
the old styrofoam hills didn't fit and wheere stored in a a crate...
If I can replace my collection of boards (that take up space in my front hall) to a a bag that sits next to the shelves I'll pay...

Having a tidy home is worth paying for...

Panic...

my gaming hills and forests

Da Boss wrote:Urgh.
It's modular aswell. I hate modular boards. It's better to have a completely blank board that you can arrange scenery pieces on.
You could nearly buy an army for that price.

It's modular to allow for ease of transport.. you just stuff it in the bag and you have everything you need.. (except the trees and the buildings.. and the ...... ok, I'll stop.. )

I spy a monopoly board.

Yeah,

two_heads_talking wrote:...you have everything you need... (except the trees and the buildings.. and the ...... ok, I'll stop.. )

but GW wants to sell you every thing you need. Like i said the hills all stack and are easy to transport.
IF I had their modular table i could put the other stuff in a second bag and take everything where ever I'm going...

except I mostly play at home...

ShumaGorath wrote:I spy a monopoly board.

Girlie says all my gaming has to fit onto those shelfs...

Panic...

Edited: for quotes...

To reiterate what I said in another thread, and to show GW its just as easy for a consumer to cancel an order as it is for GW to continually raise the price of that order several times before it is even released...

I just cancelled my preorder.

$200 was too expensive, but this.... There is no way in hell I can abide that. No Way In Hell.

Panic wrote:

Girlie says all my gaming has to fit onto those shelfs...

You got the wrong girlie then...

the US GW site is finally back up. and it's got this board on there for $290!!!

Yep. Completely ridiculous.

Not to mention that you dont even get free shipping.

Nope. Add another $15 chumps.

They are now officially 150 quid on the UK site.

175 was awesome, 200 was decent, but what in the world causes a +$90 price jump?

I'm fairly new to this hobby, and I'm getting shocked day by day by Games Workshop's business methods.

And their excuse is it was a misprint in the White Dwarf and an early Xmas catalogue (which must mean the one they gave out at Games Day about the boards...).
Could it be that pre-orders were below 50% expected in the UK and even less in the US so the price is increased to make up the shortfall?
Mick

Well they have one less preorder now, so they can continue to jack up the prices for all I care.

I think they were reading this post when they changed the price, and all the complaints convinced them to make it $290 instead of $300. it's actually quite a bargain now!

Necros wrote:I think they were reading this post when they changed the price, and all the complaints convinced them to make it $290 instead of $300. it's actually quite a bargain now!

Hahahaha!

BrookM wrote:Well crap, I'll have to look at the girl really sad for the coming months if I want one of these

Are you married? You must do what all married men do in such circumstances.

1. Buy a nice present for her.
2. Obfuscate. (http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/obfuscate)

Kilkrazy wrote:

BrookM wrote:Well crap, I'll have to look at the girl really sad for the coming months if I want one of these

Are you married? You must do what all married men do in such circumstances.

1. Buy a nice present for her.
2. Obfuscate. (http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/obfuscate)

Oh no, not married. Too early for that. She's been in the hobby herself, so the "dumb bint" card can't be played on her. I'm used to making sacrifices for the better half.

Hah. I said this thing was stupidly overpriced before the first price increase. Now they've gone and doubled the price.

*shakes head*

I really hope they watch their pre-orders sink to the ground and think to themselves "Hmm... maybe some of our stuff is over priced".

I cannot wait to see the Australian price for this thing. $400-$500 each. I can go to Bunnings and get an 6X4 piece of wood, cut it into 1X1 or 2X2 pieces, flock it myself, then use the left over money to buy some GW modual hills, and I'll've probably spent $200 by the end. Friend of mine even has a buscuiting tool so we can make the boards go together and stay together when we need to.

Christ... GW never learns...

BYE

Instead of a 6x4 board for the table, why not try a thick sheet of pink foam? They had that for the tables at the store I went to for the Ard Boyz, and it really seemed to work very well, the tables were much easier to move around. Some of em had baseboards around the edges for increased durability without adding much weight.

two_heads_talking wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Urgh.
It's modular aswell. I hate modular boards. It's better to have a completely blank board that you can arrange scenery pieces on.
You could nearly buy an army for that price.

It's modular to allow for ease of transport.. you just stuff it in the bag and you have everything you need.. (except the trees and the buildings.. and the ...... ok, I'll stop.. )

You could cut a basic flat board into sections too, and just put your hills and stuff on later. That way you have far more flexibility in your terrain set ups. Modular boards make it much more boring and cut down on the potential arrangements. Though they do look awesome.
For example, if I wanted to use this board for necromunda, it wouldn't work very well, whereas a flat board can be used for any tabletop game from BFG to Warmachine. (I like to follow the terrain placement rules in the Warmachine and Hordes rule books as well, which is pretty much impossible with a modular board.)
Basically, given my limited storage space and gaming preferences I cannot see myself even making a modular board, and shelling out 200+ euro for one is never going to happen.

As for mammy shelling out for her little boy, when I started I was eleven. I got a sheet of wood from the DIY shop, made some hills out of cardboard glued together, and some rivers and roads out of cheap felt. My biggest terrain expense was a bunch of model railway trees that I was really proud of. I used to stack those polystyrene tub thingies that metal models came in on top of each other to make huts too. Simple and effective terrain set up, well within the scope of a kid to do (As in, it involved no complicated techniques at all) that would cost well under 30 euro these days. If mammy can't come up with a similar plan she deserves to be ripped off.

Redbeard wrote:

Panic wrote:

Girlie says all my gaming has to fit onto those shelfs...

You got the wrong girlie then...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Hah. I said this thing was stupidly overpriced before the first price increase. Now they've gone and doubled the price.

*shakes head*

I really hope they watch their pre-orders sink to the ground and think to themselves "Hmm... maybe some of our stuff is over priced".

I cannot wait to see the Australian price for this thing. $400-$500 each. I can go to Bunnings and get an 6X4 piece of wood, cut it into 1X1 or 2X2 pieces, flock it myself, then use the left over money to buy some GW modual hills, and I'll've probably spent $200 by the end. Friend of mine even has a buscuiting tool so we can make the boards go together and stay together when we need to.

Christ... GW never learns...

BYE

Heh heh. I got the right girlie right here. My partner works at Bunnings, and I get a 20% discount. Her parents run a paint factory.

never knew GW sold a board XD
but at that price i doubt they sell many.
rather spend that money and make a decent looking board with some nice terrain rather than that crap.

$200 -> $300 seems like it's a big change... It crosses a lot of people's ideas of what this kind of thing is worth.

If I ever get a house I'd like to have a real table but I'll want something multifunctional so I'll probably haunt yard sales and such to look for a used dinner table or similar I can use as a 'hobby table' when not actually playing, if I have room. $300, even $200, is way too much for me, but then again I thought the CoD terrain as way too expensive.

All I know is that $300 buys me my choice of:
- 4 Guard tank variants
- 1 Stormblade & 1 Shadowsword
- 1 Valkyrie & 1 Vulture
- 1 Eldar Revenant Titan
- 2 Malenthorpes & 1 Trygon

So for me, that table just isn't worth $300 USD

You can honestly build a table with hills for less than $100 bucks if you are crafty about it, why anyone would waste money on this....

mattyboy22 wrote:You can honestly build a table with hills for less than $100 bucks if you are crafty about it, why anyone would waste money on this....

And hours and hours of time.

Many seemed willing to pay 200.

Two hundred is generally on the edge of reasonable, between the $100 dollars on materials and the cost of time to make something like this on your own you'd end up with something worth in the realm of $200. Its the seemingly arbitrary price hike on something that was already only marginally reasonable.

At $200 I seriously thought about getting one, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth it. At that price they at least had me interested at $100 more, no way in heck.

I was prepared to buy 2 of these @ $150 each. I can and like to buy pretty much anything if it makes a game of 40k a better experience, BUT GW is completely

I can't justify it @ $300. I could get 6-9 Land Raiders for that.

I will talk to my people and see what this thing is really going for.

Stay tuned

Yea, I was fairly interested when it popped at 150$. I can make one for less, but having one made for me and ready to use while I fumble around at making better ones (or say "Good enough" and go back to painting) was probably worth it. 200$... that was pushing it, since that's 5 boxes of terminators etc.

300$ though, I really can't justify that. I can mess up a lot of pink foam for that kind of scratch. Hell, I can get another box of COD sector cities or two, and still have enough left over for a big stack of foam for that much.

Personally being of a good with tools bent, I thought this was a pretty crappy rip-off product to begin with... now it's almost hysterically overpriced junk... if I see anyone buying one I will point and laugh out loud and shout something like "SUCKER!!!" I mean come on... it's six bits of plastic. It's not flocked, it's not painted, it's just SIX BITS OF PLASTIC each set costs GW pennies to make in terms of materials.

Oh, and the whole "transportable" argument just doesn't wash. How often do you NEED to take your table round your buddies' place? If he's got an army worth fielding, odds are he'll have a table or at least a big green mat to go on the kitchen table. If you want a table at home, build one. If you want to play somewhere that's not your home, play somewhere where there are tables, like your local gaming club. I can play at my local gaming club every week for two years and still be in profit compared to buying this thing. My main bugbear about the "transportable" thing though, is that if you put six painted and flocked plastic tiles in one bag, even if you don't move the bag and just take them straight out again, they're going to get chipped, scraped, knocked and damaged. If you sling it over your shoulder and jump on a bus or train, or even jump in the car, it's going to be a big scratchy mess at the other end of the journey. Do that once or twice a week for a month or two and suddenly your lovingly painted and flocked £150 bits of plastic are junk.

Just my opinion, but hey...

malfred wrote:

mattyboy22 wrote:You can honestly build a table with hills for less than $100 bucks if you are crafty about it, why anyone would waste money on this....

And hours and hours of time.

Many seemed willing to pay 200.

Are you serious? It takes a little more than an hour of actual work.

Get your 4x6 cut into whatever manageable pieces you need at the hardware store, pick up a gallon of black, a gallon of scorched brown, a gallon of bleached bone ( the store should be able to match them for you) Get a large bottle of white glue, the biggest brush you can find (5" wide, 2 (or 3 if you've got someone helping you) paint rollers, a bag of play sand, 2 sheets of 1" thick pink foam, a wire cutter, and a tarp if you don't have one. <$100 depending on what you have.

1. set up your plywood, dump glue on it, and spread it with the paint roller. Dump the sand all over the glue. - 15 min
2. the next day dump the excess sand off, dump some black paint on the sand and spread it with the roller - 15 min
3. after the black paint dries, do the same thing with the scorched brown (the black keeps it dark) - 5 min
4. using your 5" brushes, drybrush the whole table with scorched/ bleached and then again with bleached. Drybrush some sections heavier or darker, make it look nice! - 20 min
5. If you really want to, get a tub of static grass, spread some glue around, and apply the grass - 30 min

Cut hills from the foam while the paint is drying, make them stackable it's easier that way. Apply sand, paint, and grass the same way as you did the table.

I've made plenty of tables like this and it really takes only 1 1/2 hours of total work time to do it plus it costs less than 100 depending on what you have and things like the big bag of play sand and the gallons of colored paint will last a long time (4 6x4 tables and still have plenty left). The most time consuming part of it is waiting for paint and glue to dry. Buy some terrain sets and you are good to go! It's not the most "fancy" of tables, but you could easily add a frame to it, etc.

@Matty:

That's awesome - make it into an article.

Guys,
I'm pretty sure the 290.00 on the website is messed up. I was quoted 200.00 by my sales rep. The new white dwarf came in today. The catalog for the table that was polybagged with the WD says 175.00, but also has a small slip that was added, indicating the price has had to be changed to 200.00

First shipment of these is going to be 200.00, but after that, it will probably be going up in price.

Wehrkind - Send me a Pm if you want one, You'll have to run down from Allentowne to Philly to pick it up, but there won't be any shipping and I'll get you one for the 175.00 price.

Disclaimer: If it actually turns out to be 290.00, then expect me to be ranting along side all of you. I can make one hell of a table for 290.00

Guys, I popped my head into the local GW store today.

It's $290 USD.

@mikhaila - you can start that rant now.

This table now costs as much as a new Wii or 360. I wonder which will last longer?

My main bugbear about the "transportable" thing though, is that if you put six painted and flocked plastic tiles in one bag, even if you don't move the bag and just take them straight out again, they're going to get chipped, scraped, knocked and damaged. If you sling it over your shoulder and jump on a bus or train, or even jump in the car, it's going to be a big scratchy mess at the other end of the journey. Do that once or twice a week for a month or two and suddenly your lovingly painted and flocked £150 bits of plastic are junk.

mattyboy22 wrote:

malfred wrote:

mattyboy22 wrote:You can honestly build a table with hills for less than $100 bucks if you are crafty about it, why anyone would waste money on this....

And hours and hours of time.

Many seemed willing to pay 200.

Are you serious? It takes a little more than an hour of actual work.

Get your 4x6 cut into whatever manageable pieces you need at the hardware store, pick up a gallon of black, a gallon of scorched brown, a gallon of bleached bone ( the store should be able to match them for you) Get a large bottle of white glue, the biggest brush you can find (5" wide, 2 (or 3 if you've got someone helping you) paint rollers, a bag of play sand, 2 sheets of 1" thick pink foam, a wire cutter, and a tarp if you don't have one. <$100 depending on what you have.

1. set up your plywood, dump glue on it, and spread it with the paint roller. Dump the sand all over the glue. - 15 min
2. the next day dump the excess sand off, dump some black paint on the sand and spread it with the roller - 15 min
3. after the black paint dries, do the same thing with the scorched brown (the black keeps it dark) - 5 min
4. using your 5" brushes, drybrush the whole table with scorched/ bleached and then again with bleached. Drybrush some sections heavier or darker, make it look nice! - 20 min
5. If you really want to, get a tub of static grass, spread some glue around, and apply the grass - 30 min

Cut hills from the foam while the paint is drying, make them stackable it's easier that way. Apply sand, paint, and grass the same way as you did the table.

I've made plenty of tables like this and it really takes only 1 1/2 hours of total work time to do it plus it costs less than 100 depending on what you have and things like the big bag of play sand and the gallons of colored paint will last a long time (4 6x4 tables and still have plenty left). The most time consuming part of it is waiting for paint and glue to dry. Buy some terrain sets and you are good to go! It's not the most "fancy" of tables, but you could easily add a frame to it, etc.

It sure does only take 1.5 hrs of work, given the experience. I'm the kid who got a C
in wood shop because my mind wandered whenever I worked on a project. For you
practiced homeowner/tool users this is a quick project that you bang out in an afternoon.
For me, something like this factors into multiple hours that I'd rather spend doing
something else (preferably far far away from tools).

That's just how things go.

yeah,

derek wrote:This table now costs as much as a new Wii or 360. I wonder which will last longer?

I think that's hard to judge i still play my NES... and a Xbox1 sells for £19.99 now in cash converters...

I think the modular game board will hold it's value better... especially if it's supported with more tiles. City tiles, roads/rivers...
I think that if/when you go to sell a GW modular table you'll get most of your moneys back... at least half anyway. concidering how many people want one but don't want to pay £150...

malfred wrote:It sure does only take 1.5 hrs of work, given the experience. I'm the kid who got a C
in wood shop because my mind wandered whenever I worked on a project. For you
practiced homeowner/tool users this is a quick project that you bang out in an afternoon.
For me, something like this factors into multiple hours that I'd rather spend doing
something else (preferably far far away from tools).

That's just how things go.

That's another angle, That the effort saved is worth something... but it really isn't that much effort...

I made my board in about 30mins with a friends help.
£40 for Plyboard Wood and trim
£5 for black spray
£15 for the static grass 6'x4' paper battle matt and
£2.99 for the paste

1)pay £65 for materials... probibly less...
2)paint the board with wall paper paste and slap the grass matt down, make sure theres no bubbles, Go to the Pub and Leave over night...
3)cut the trim at 45degree angles... this is honestly as hard as this gets and you don't need trim... but it looks good ...paint the trim black and glued onto the edges... ummm ... done

But I think this board will look better and match in with the GW hills.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Guys, I popped my head into the local GW store today.

It's $290 USD.

@mikhaila - you can start that rant now.

Damn...

Panic...

Remember, these tiles are in all likeliness not cast by GW but by a third party. GW may have designed them but turned to another company for the actual production, which may be a reason behind the sudden price increases.

Dammit dammit dammit dammit arseholes dammit dammit.

I think that just about sums things up. I am desperate to get one of these bad boys. I finally have the room for a board, and this seemed the ideal way to have an easily stored board in my room as well. But....£150? That is a hefty old price tag.

And why the dammits? I have absolutely kicked monkey arse at work this past month (yes, even whilst posting on Dakka, thats how great I am!) and had pretty much decided to get the board already. But now...now it's £150. I can certainly afford it, that is not the problem (I'm looking at having £1,000ish after tax and bills this month) but...even though it will get regular use, and thus prove itself good value....can I justify the £150?

GAAAAH! Sad thing is, I know I'm going to buy it. I just know I am. How sad is that? I wonder though...I wonder. Will the price of the bundle deals alter accordingly? If not , I shall procure one of those and feel slightly better about the whole thing.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1380009&prodId=prod1570025&rootCatGameStyle=gaming-accessories

Though that is looking a tempting accesory. Wonder if I can get the guys to chuck one in for free? I doubt it like, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. And it is needed to get the board done. Sadly.

Hey Folks,

I posted this at warseer. I thought some of you might get a kick out of it.

Hey Folks! Let's Do some Price Comparison!

John the Gamer wants to get his very own gaming board. He wants a board and some starting terrain. He looks ar GW and an indie company.

Gamesworkshop

1 x Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard - $290.00
1 x Citadel Scenery Painting Pack - $40.00
1 x Citadel Gaming Hill - $25.00
1 x Citadel Wood - $25.00

Estimated Total = $412.30 (Taxes and Shipping)


War Zone Gaming Terrain Systems (NA Gaming Company)
Note: All terrain comes in 1 of 4 types (Terran,Badlands,Bloodstone, & Icelands)

1 x 6'x4'x1.5" Foldable Prepainted & Flocked Battleboard - $96.00
1 x 70 Piece Terrain Set* - $104.00

Estimated Total = $230.20 (Taxes and Shipping)

*Includes the following:
GTS100 Basic Terrainer
GTS520 Cliff Face
GTS530 Mountain Pac
GTS550 Hill Pac
GTS620 Flock
GTS700 Hard Cover
GTS742 Tall Rks and Ridges
GTS770 B Wire Trench



That is over a $180.00 differace. That is a lot of other stuff you could buy.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Matty:

That's awesome - make it into an article.

I'll be making one of these soon so I'll take some pictures and throw it up. Maybe it'll change your mind Malfred, the most complex tool is the foam cutter

Savnock wrote:What such a table is worth is dependent upon what your time is worth (to make your own) or what comparable or better alternatives exist (Lormax!!). If there's something better for $200 (already painted/flocked) or your time is pretty expensive (above $20 per hour), go another way. If you're a lawyer and there's nothing as good as this on the internet (or shipping would drive the price of those alternatives way high) go with the GW thing.

For all of you thinking this comes ready made and will save you time and effort and is then worth $290.00. The table comes unpainted and un flocked. You need to do that yourself. Its just gray plastic.

And that won't take terribly long at all.

The £25 kit they are going to sell alongside (see my earlier post for linkage) has everything but the sand, which I will pick up dead cheap from a local Petshop (Birdsand is great for this! Nice and absorbent too).

Including drying time, I reckon 7 hours start to finish, with only around 3 hours actual work going into the bugger.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And that won't take terribly long at all.

The £25 kit they are going to sell alongside (see my earlier post for linkage) has everything but the sand, which I will pick up dead cheap from a local Petshop (Birdsand is great for this! Nice and absorbent too).

Including drying time, I reckon 7 hours start to finish, with only around 3 hours actual work going into the bugger.

I think the seperate table sets with GW terrain pieces was a better idea. Selling a 45.00 "kit" that doesn't even include everything you need to cover the table is just adding insult to injury. For $290.00 it should come with some buildings or ruins and the materials to cover the table.

Heavygear wrote:

Savnock wrote:What such a table is worth is dependent upon what your time is worth (to make your own) or what comparable or better alternatives exist (Lormax!!). If there's something better for $200 (already painted/flocked) or your time is pretty expensive (above $20 per hour), go another way. If you're a lawyer and there's nothing as good as this on the internet (or shipping would drive the price of those alternatives way high) go with the GW thing.

For all of you thinking this comes ready made and will save you time and effort and is then worth $290.00. The table comes unpainted and un flocked. You need to do that yourself. Its just gray plastic.

I was trying to figure out this statement as well. Flocking is what takes all the time. The last table I made was under $50 US and we just used cheap green indoor/outdoor carpet instead of flocking. It was easy to clean and maintain and had great texture. I'm sure I could still pull something off, way better than this monstrosity from GW, for the same $50. The price was crazy before the increase. Now it's just ludicrous.

mattyboy22 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Matty:

That's awesome - make it into an article.

I'll be making one of these soon so I'll take some pictures and throw it up. Maybe it'll change your mind Malfred, the most complex tool is the foam cutter

But it's not plastic :(

Looking forward to the article.

There's a fine line between realistic and ridiculous pricing. With this table, GW has blown so far from that border that its just a dot on the horizon. That the price is just for the base item and still requires at least another $45+ to "finish it" as well as the time to paint/decorate it adds insult to injury.

With this item any sold at the list price will prove once and for all the old addage that there is one born every minute....

I just picked up WD 346, and it gives the price as $175. They really need to get their act together, or people who don't lurk on internet forums are gonna go into the stores wanting to buy this thing, see the massive price bump and go off.

Unfortunately, while its a cool offering, GW I think has simply priced it out of its own segment. For the cost, one could build a decent sized army (my initial 2000pt CSM and Tau armies cost less, and the WoC army I'm building is less in cost as well), and making ones own table would require considerably less funding than this.

Had this been $100-150 I'd have bought it, maybe even at $200 if someone was to go in on it with me. At $290, not a chance, I'll buy a new army instead.

This thing is ridiculous. $290 is out of most people price range and the people who can afford it would probably be happier with 3 Baneblades.

It comes unpainted and its plastic. Based on the price of the general sort of plastic GW is using more its normal miniatures and the weight they claim it to be, there is actually about $125 to $150 worth of stuff in that game board. I'm inclined to believe that what they originally listed was their wholesale price.

Either way GW should have realized this wasn't going to fly. If you're doing a table up, even just get their gaming mat and other kits would leave you better off. You could get for the same price:

GW Grass Battlemat - $30
2x Imperial Sectors - $180
Urban Roads - $25
Moonscape - $17
Barricades -$20
2xBF Accesories -$20

You'd probably end up with a more interesting table too.

There's a lot less than $125 of plastic in the board. US price of bulk polystyrene was about $2,000 per ton earlier this year. The board would need to weigh 62 kilos.

Hopefully noone decides to pick up their "How to make wargames terrain" book, there is a nice little article towards the back on how to make your own table.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And that won't take terribly long at all.

The £25 kit they are going to sell alongside (see my earlier post for linkage) has everything but the sand, which I will pick up dead cheap from a local Petshop (Birdsand is great for this! Nice and absorbent too).

Including drying time, I reckon 7 hours start to finish, with only around 3 hours actual work going into the bugger.

If you are independently wealthy then sobeit. Clearly for the vast majority of gamers it is unreasonable to pay $290 for a bunch of gray plastic and then spend another $50 for supplies and then spend a day painting it etc. Exactly who does GW thinks is going to buy this chunk of sh*te? If it's the independently wealthy then why not sell it flocked for $400?

Now now now. Just because *you* won't pay, doesn't mean you are the majority opinion. Same goes for me. I even stated that the price made me think again, as when it was £100, I was pretty much signed up.

And yes, I am independantly well off. £250 a month in bills, and this month, £1,000(ish) after tax and bills to do as I please with.

But to claim any kind of majority, based on your own opinion and a handful of others from a website (websites are notoriously naysaying about, well, pretty much everything in the world ever) is churlish, let alone the vast one you claim. Not having a pop, not saying you are wrong, jus be careful of sweeping statements,

I was over at my local HUGE HARDWARE STORE and in the lumber area they have pre-cut 2 foot by 2 foot sections of wallboard.. and panelling, and MDF (Heavy stuff), and plywood. All for about 3-8 bucks a section. Buy 6 tiles of your own personal choice, and make a sectional table.

I suspect that you could do the same with ceiling tiles, but am not sure about the structural integrity of those..

I think I am going the make-my-own route..

-Porkuslime

I just want to ask how many of you have seen this in person?
At GamesDay in september, I was able to hold the different board sections, and let me tell you, they are amazingly detailed, and, still worth it at the new price (not as easy to swallow, but worth the asking price).
I had even joked with Dave from the Dave Cave that they would be worth it at twice the price.

I'll still be buying one (my dream of 4 will have to be put on hold until I can get more $$$ss) but it is a super nice board.

deitpike wrote:
I just want to ask how many of you have seen this in person?
At GamesDay in september, I was able to hold the different board sections, and let me tell you, they are amazingly detailed, and, still worth it at the new price (not as easy to swallow, but worth the asking price).

I don't care how detailed it is. For $300, I can have a titan, or three baneblades. Or, two baneblades and a battlemat and an imperial sector...

deitpike wrote:
I had even joked with Dave from the Dave Cave that they would be worth it at twice the price.

So you're the one! This is YOUR fault!

And for £300, some people want a board instead.

To me, as with all my gaming purchases, it's all about relative value, and practicality. So...

1) Why this board is practical for me.

Although I have the space to set up even an 8'X4' board, I don't really have anywhere to store it, other than a hut outside. Obviously, a hut outside isn't the ideal place to store a wooden board due to warpage. Add in that this board, being plastic not only can be store there, but also can be bunged back in it's bag to boot, and this is one problem arguably solved, and certainly solved to my satisfaction. Tick that box, Matron.

2) Is it worth it?
In my current job (expect I'll be here a while longer as well as I enjoy it and the pay is suitable) I work until 7:30 on a Thursday night. This means I don't always get my weekly game in. Clearly, having my own board sorts this problem out neatly, as not only is my flatmate an avid gamer (and thus ready opponent) but I can have people over. Thus, despite it's hefty price tag (note I am not claiming it to be cheap by any stretch of the imagination) is somewhat mitigated by the fact I will then have the option of several games a week, instead of the possibility of just one. Clearly, I am going to extract every last bit of value from the beast that I possibly can.

Thus, the board to me is a practical solution to the problem of not having a board, and the problem of not gaming anywhere near as often as I'd like.

Two birds, one stone, £175 all in. It mightn't be cheap but to me it is a sound investment in my gaming future, and well looked after, should last some years.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And for £300, some people want a board instead.

To me, as with all my gaming purchases, it's all about relative value, and practicality. So...

1) Why this board is practical for me.

Although I have the space to set up even an 8'X4' board, I don't really have anywhere to store it, other than a hut outside. Obviously, a hut outside isn't the ideal place to store a wooden board due to warpage. Add in that this board, being plastic not only can be store there, but also can be bunged back in it's bag to boot, and this is one problem arguably solved, and certainly solved to my satisfaction. Tick that box, Matron.

2) Is it worth it?
In my current job (expect I'll be here a while longer as well as I enjoy it and the pay is suitable) I work until 7:30 on a Thursday night. This means I don't always get my weekly game in. Clearly, having my own board sorts this problem out neatly, as not only is my flatmate an avid gamer (and thus ready opponent) but I can have people over. Thus, despite it's hefty price tag (note I am not claiming it to be cheap by any stretch of the imagination) is somewhat mitigated by the fact I will then have the option of several games a week, instead of the possibility of just one. Clearly, I am going to extract every last bit of value from the beast that I possibly can.

Thus, the board to me is a practical solution to the problem of not having a board, and the problem of not gaming anywhere near as often as I'd like.

Two birds, one stone, £175 all in. It mightn't be cheap but to me it is a sound investment in my gaming future, and well looked after, should last some years.

Well put and I understand your predicament. And hey, at least the ridiculous price tag includes a carrying case.

Sounds more like you're spending two stones to buy one bird.

It also sounds worth it to you

Arses. I forgot about the third point...

Having my own board effectively removes the 2,000 Warhammer Barrier (the largest game one can realistically complete on a Vets night). Ergo, I can see my armies simply growing in size to the level where I will need the extra 2' of length.

DAMN YOU GW! Damn you and your cunning ploys to violate my wallet!

malfred wrote:Sounds more like you're spending two stones to buy one bird.

It also sounds worth it to you

No no no. This has nothing to do with weight loss and woman gain. This is a geek thing, ergo most likely to lead to weight gain and woman loss.

Honestly! You Americans!

Kilkrazy wrote:There's a lot less than $125 of plastic in the board. US price of bulk polystyrene was about $2,000 per ton earlier this year. The board would need to weigh 62 kilos.

GW says:
"Please note: The Citadel Realm of Battle Gaming Board weighs over 30lb and the price includes a $15 dollar shipping charge."

Lets make a few assumptions, first is the fact that the carrying case, pound for pound probably has a cost comparable to that of the raw material in the gaming board tiles. At 30lbs or 13600g with the price of plastic GW uses between $0.009/g and $.012/g, comes to between $122 and $160 just to cover the basic manufacturing cost. That also includes the machine operators labor, I was trying to simplify things to avoid having to explain an entire spread sheet. Also is the fact that GW tends to use a highly viscous styrene to get its detail, and those plastics tend to have a higher price than the bulk rate you mentioned above. Now I tend to believe I'm on the high side, but not by that much, because I tend to believe GW has a decent sense of running themselves efficiently and has some proprietary methods to reduce their waste. I'm inclined to say to the whole set costs them $125 per set to manufacture. That their wholesale price is what the $175 was, and that the 40% mark up to $290 is in keeping with GW's piece price profit margin.

I have no idea whether anything you said was accurate!

But regardless, it's also the free market. They are free to charge what they want, and you are free to not buy what you don't feel to be good value.

The price is based on what it cost for the materials, labor costs and profit.

We all know we can make one cheaper. Will people sill buy it? Ya few will but most wont.

The price is based on what it cost for the materials, labor costs and profit.

In this case, mostly profit. By a *huge* margin.

Danny Internets wrote:

The price is based on what it cost for the materials, labor costs and profit.

In this case, mostly profit. By a *huge* margin.

No mostly cost to make it. They have to pay for plastic, metal, the fabric for the bags, the power ot run the machines and labor costs for the people to operate it.

Prove it's a huge profit margin.

Large Markup? Yeah, that I'll give you, but profit margin? That I very, very much doubt. GW has a very slim profit margin, all things considered.

For example, I'd estimate, just to pay for a single Store, it costs...£30,000 for staff (pretty much minimum I'd expect, though it might be slightly lower depending on age of staff) at least the same again, if not double, for Leasing the premises, then there is insurance on the store, relevant bills (water, lekky, heating, business rates etc) and of course the transportation of goods to store ready to be sold to the geeks.

Add in the cost of the mould workers wages, packaging, designing the packaging and product etc, and suddenly, the markup is gobbled away.

Unless you are PP, who don't own shops, employ and handful of staff and are just a bunch of greedy little chancers.

Refer to similar boards (linked earlier in the thread) that come painted AND flocked and cost 1/3 as much. If a much smaller company (with much less resources) can make a profit while charging one THIRD as much as GW then there is either a huge profit margin on this item or they're doing it wrong.

In short, if the little company can do it, so can the big one.

The smaller the company, the lower the cost, because *their* costs are proportionately lower.

GW has a far, far larger structure than even their nearest competitors. Hence, there markup is higher to ensure the money is there to pay for it. The past year has been spent by GW streamlining this as much as possible, to eke out the profits they are getting.

Why don't people get this? It's basic business economics. I'm not even educated about business things and I can see this as clear as day!

You mentioned resources. Yes, GW might well get things cheaper as they can buy in far bigger amounts than a smaller company, but regardless, the more you output, the more employees are needed, the more machines are needed and so on. It really is a simple equation.

'm not even educated about business

Based on your response, it shows.

Bigger companies need more employees, more machines, etc. They also produce much more, and the more you produce of something generally the more profit you make because your initial investment in developing the product is increasingly smaller relative to the amount of income you're making off of it. The rest of your costs (generally) scale proportionately with how much you're producing and (presumably) how much you're selling.

If a company has such an overbearingly large management structure that it has to charge ludicrous prices to profit off of something that other companies can charge MUCH less for then the company is poorly managed. Typically, larger companies can produce the items that smaller companies can for less, not more.

To produce is *not* to sell.

The larger the workforce, the larger the wage bill, yes?

Any product can only sell a finite number of itself, yes?

Most business project how many of each product they will sell, yes?

Now then, this board is always likely to be quite a low volume seller, as there are many, many alternatives available, such as building your own, to other companies whose sole effort is to turn out said boards, yes? Ergo, the cost of producing the entire thing (from scratch to getting it on the shelf) has to be offset by the pricetag. Generally, the lower the expected volume, the higher the price.

This board is the final piece in the GW Hobby Puzzle. Now, I can literally walk into any GW, anywhere in the world, knowing nothing about it, and walk out with absolutely everything I will ever need to play the games. It could also be considered a cunning ploy by GW, for the reason I posted above.....

With my own board, I am not only going to be playing more games, but likely as not *larger* games. Ergo, owning this board will facilitate GW in attacking my Wallet with greater success. Plus, although £150 isn't cheap in anyones book, there is every chance that my opponents will decide playing at home rules (I can smoke at home, see?) that they want a piece of the action, and buy their own board, and so it goes on.

So the Board itself could be considered a loss leader, we have *no* idea on it's actual profit margin (remember, Markup and Profit Margin, two very different things!)

You say it is poorly managed, I cannot help but disagree. In the past, perhaps, but there has been a substantial reshuffle, and the company is certainly seeming different to me as a consumer (and has done so since the rather excellent read that was the Daemon book).....

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Prove it's a huge profit margin.

Large Markup? Yeah, that I'll give you, but profit margin? That I very, very much doubt. GW has a very slim profit margin, all things considered.

Their individual products have a rather large profit margin. It's their *overhead* thats killing GW. Their cost of sales (materials, labor, packaging, etc) is only 30% of sales according to their 2007 income statement. It's their overhead expenses that are the big cost.

Their products are making a very good margin even at wholesale prices, but its getting eaten by unprofitable stores, administrative and restructuring costs, *debt payements* (thank you mr.kirby for borrowing more in cash to pay dividends, thus doubling your salary, than GW made in net contribution to retained earnings...) and other such things that are the problem.

I like this non GW alternatives:
http://www.ziterdes.de/ziterdes/en/produkte/article_detail.php?we_objectID=900732&catID=69&subcatID=100

The GW situation shows that there are downsides to vertical integration.

In theory, they should be reaping all the profits that would have been bled off by manufacturers, distributors and retailers. In practice, they have found it very hard to manage their entire chain of operations. OTOH they spend nothing on marketing because their retail chain (and WD) are the marketing.

Individual products have a mark up.

Companies have a profit margin.

They are different things.

And please read my earlier posts, where I state the price is high etc, and explain why for me at least, I am still going ahead with it. I'm not justifying prices, just explaining them.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Individual products have a mark up.

Companies have a profit margin.

There are multiple ways of expressing profit margin

Gross Profit Margin is (Revenue-CoGS)/Revenue (this is the one I typically see the most)
Net Profit Margin is (Net Inc/Revenue) (I'm assuming you are using this measure)
Operating Profit Margin (Operating Income/Sales)
etc...

"Profit margin" by itself is open to interpretation depending on your educational background.

And please read my earlier posts, where I state the price is high etc, and explain why for me at least, I am still going ahead with it. I'm not justifying prices, just explaining them.

Oh I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your reasoning as to *why* GW prices their products the way they do, I understand all that, I do get the concept of wages, overhead, rent, etc, rather just being pedantic about a definition that and GW's non-production costs are generally horrifically high compared to what they should be, and there are many reasons for that, mainly related to poor management, and thus unfortunately necessitating higher prices (or higher sales) to break even.

Da Boss wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Urgh.
It's modular aswell. I hate modular boards. It's better to have a completely blank board that you can arrange scenery pieces on.
You could nearly buy an army for that price.

It's modular to allow for ease of transport.. you just stuff it in the bag and you have everything you need.. (except the trees and the buildings.. and the ...... ok, I'll stop.. )

You could cut a basic flat board into sections too, and just put your hills and stuff on later. That way you have far more flexibility in your terrain set ups. Modular boards make it much more boring and cut down on the potential arrangements. Though they do look awesome.
For example, if I wanted to use this board for necromunda, it wouldn't work very well, whereas a flat board can be used for any tabletop game from BFG to Warmachine. (I like to follow the terrain placement rules in the Warmachine and Hordes rule books as well, which is pretty much impossible with a modular board.)
Basically, given my limited storage space and gaming preferences I cannot see myself even making a modular board, and shelling out 200+ euro for one is never going to happen.

As for mammy shelling out for her little boy, when I started I was eleven. I got a sheet of wood from the DIY shop, made some hills out of cardboard glued together, and some rivers and roads out of cheap felt. My biggest terrain expense was a bunch of model railway trees that I was really proud of. I used to stack those polystyrene tub thingies that metal models came in on top of each other to make huts too. Simple and effective terrain set up, well within the scope of a kid to do (As in, it involved no complicated techniques at all) that would cost well under 30 euro these days. If mammy can't come up with a similar plan she deserves to be ripped off.

I'm not arguing any of your points, which are all valid. I was merely pointing out that for those with limited space, this is an option.. Now, however, it's an extremely expensive option..

I'm also tuning in, in anticipation of a ranting from mikhaila

It's a good option for people who do not have the skills/tools/time to make their own boards.

If you are a painthater, you will be perfectly happy to play on a bare grey surface.

I am sure they will sell loads to parents of youngsters.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:The smaller the company, the lower the cost, because *their* costs are proportionately lower.

If only someone had told Sam Walton!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:GW has a far, far larger structure than even their nearest competitors. Hence, there markup is higher to ensure the money is there to pay for it. The past year has been spent by GW streamlining this as much as possible, to eke out the profits they are getting.

Odd. Citing huge fixed costs and institutional inefficiency as a justification for uncompetitive prices.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Why don't people get this? It's basic business economics. I'm not even educated about business things and I can see this as clear as day!

You mentioned resources. Yes, GW might well get things cheaper as they can buy in far bigger amounts than a smaller company, but regardless, the more you output, the more employees are needed, the more machines are needed and so on. It really is a simple equation.

Henry Ford twists in his grave.

Seriously, I can't understand the marketing thought behind this product.

Kilkrazy wrote:I am sure they will sell loads to parents of youngsters.

I would have serous reservations about that. At $290 (US GW Online store price) the board is within $10 of a mid-level X-Box 360.

We have a product here that appeals to a very small market demographic:
-casual players and hobbyists don't want it,
-serious players want it, but
--serious hobbyists who are concerned with costs can easily make a similar item for a fraction of the cost.

So, the market segment appears to be serious players who either aren't also serious hobbyists or who have no monetary concerns.

The situation reminds me of when electric toothbrushes were first introduced: they may have been twice as good as an ordinary toothbrush, but they costs (more then) ten times as much. Here, is the GW board better then an own make? Maybe, but is it twice as good? Arguments that the quality of GW's construction justify the price are missing the point: why in the world did they design a board that weighs 30 pounds?! What does that accomplish that a 10 pound board can't?

Kilkrazy wrote:If you are a painthater...

Oh Christ... don't tell me that 'painthater' is going to become part of common parlance alongside how Tournament gamers are mean and the complete opposite of 'friendly casual gamers'.

BYE

It's only a problem because we think it's a problem.

Well, I've talked things over yet again and I'm going to get one, as in the long run it is a great investment for our household. Maybe make it a group investment and buy a second one so we got something to bring and use for those gaming nights at friends when the days are getting shorter and even wetter than now. The pricing might be omg-wtf-bbq high but what else is new?

Buzzsaw wrote:
*snip*
We have a product here that appeals to a very small market demographic:
-casual players and hobbyists don't want it,
-serious players want it, but
--serious hobbyists who are concerned with costs can easily make a similar item for a fraction of the cost.

So, the market segment appears to be serious players who either aren't also serious hobbyists or who have no monetary concerns. [emphasis mine]

An excellent summation. At that price, though, they'll only need to sell a dozen or to break even....

From what I've heard the board will only be available until Xmas, then that's it. Mind you given the cost of them, we could see that sale period extended or they may come back a month or two at a reduced price.

Reading the previous postings I'm still of the impression that there's boards won't sell in big amounts. There are only a certain amount of gamers out there who would buy it at this price. Other variables to think on are:

Kiddies coming into the hobby will probably want their £150 - £200 budget spent on models & rules instead of a board so that rules them out

If you are young player whose got an army, are you really going want £150+ of your xmas budget spent on 6 pieces of plastic? That will look exciting on xmas morning. That probably rules them out

Veteran gamers will make there own, at £80 - £100 we'd probably of treated ourselves, so that rules us out. If I had £150 - £200 to spend on myself I'd be buying Grand Manner scenary, as this stuff I can't make for £50

IMO everyone of those variables takes potential buyers out of the equation

despite the high cost I'm still considering this.. but I wouldn't be looking to buy until I sell my house, and buy a new one, and build my little game room area, which is several months away, even if someone bought my house tomorrow (which isn't happening :( ). If I do end up getting it though, I may look into an online dealer for a discount, like the warstore.. 20% off would make it like $240 or so..

Wolfstan wrote:From what I've heard the board will only be available until Xmas, then that's it.

If it's the manufacturer's costs that have driven up the sale price (which is far more likely than GW just being evil), then this makes sense. They've paid for a single print run, so might as well sell it, break even and then cut their losses and not make any more.

Pity. It could have been a very cool system of modular board pieces with lots of different types of terrain and expansion packs. Being a GW terrain junkie, I would have bought it in a heardbeat if it had led to that, but with such a limited selection (and I hate moulded boards for a start), combined with that beyond-silly price tag, I'll be skipping this one.

BYE

yeah,
Even if it is a limited run, there's no reason why it shouldn't recive another tile or two Later?
IF they sell 5000 tables, that's 4000<5000 people that want more tiles? a viable market, even if it's web only or sumfink...?
I'd love to get some tiles with roads and the blend from countryside to urdan... or rivers...
Maybe i'll buy two sets and convert...

I accept that i'm a GW junkie too.... I've had loads of fun today with the (flamer)spray gun..
Panic....

Necros wrote:despite the high cost I'm still considering this.. but I wouldn't be looking to buy until I sell my house, and buy a new one, and build my little game room area, which is several months away, even if someone bought my house tomorrow (which isn't happening :( ). If I do end up getting it though, I may look into an online dealer for a discount, like the warstore.. 20% off would make it like $240 or so..

Tim-
This isn't something I consider to be a moneymaker for my stores. Limited item, Limited market, and Limited number that I can actually order for my stores. For people in the local area I'm going to honor the 200.00 price. If that's going to be in your budget, let me know and I'll set one aside for you. I may have a 'sample' soon that you can take a look at. The sample will be going home to my game room after Christmas. But for now all the head accountant (wife) is being told is that it's a 'sample'.

And how many "sample" armies do you have at home?

easy to pack away or not, thats insane. not to mention the HUGE price hike. i think GW is loosing there marbles lately. theres no way in hell id fork out the cash for that. also if you want hot glue guns, seriously goto a dollar store, they all carry $1 hot glue guns and a bag of glue for a buck. i bought one like 2 years ago and its still rocking. just an FYI

malfred wrote:And how many "sample" armies do you have at home?

Only about 11, mostly what I consider my personal stuff, older out of print models, and the two I'm currently painting up: VC and IG AC.

Ikea is a wonderful place. Buy 3 bookshelf units and put them along a wall. Then go back and buy 3 more, but cut the uprights into shelf length. You now have enough shelves to put a shelf full of miniatures or bitz boxes about every 5 inches.

We have 8 glass cases at the stores. Between the two stores, I own another 42 fully painted/based armies, between 1500 and 3000 points each. We take 'Codex: Display Case' very seriously

so i find myself in a situation nobody here on the board has talked about.

that awesome pink foam we all love and use (owens corning foamular 250) is no longer available in my area.

you see, that stuff is designed to be glued to the outside of basement walls before the dirt is backfilled. this helps insulate the basement from the cold that seeps through the ground. well, I live in california. we do not build basements here. the pink stuff did not sell well enough in the home depot chains(do it yourself hardware stores) and they discontinued it in this area.

i've checked with the foam maker, and there are no more dealers in the area. If i was to try and buy direct, there is a min order of 25-50 4x8 sheets for each thickness i want.

so to me, this board was a great option. I love the cracks with skulls, all the little details like skulls and bones among the rocks of the hill edges(why yes i do play khorne and vampire armies). I love the mix of pathways up the hill for no movement penalty, and rocky edges.

the price is the only issue now. I'm torn, pay the horribly high price for an amazingly detailed board, or sand/paint a flat table and buy lots of separate terrain to use and store.

mikhaila wrote:Tim-
This isn't something I consider to be a moneymaker for my stores. Limited item, Limited market, and Limited number that I can actually order for my stores. For people in the local area I'm going to honor the 200.00 price. If that's going to be in your budget, let me know and I'll set one aside for you. I may have a 'sample' soon that you can take a look at. The sample will be going home to my game room after Christmas. But for now all the head accountant (wife) is being told is that it's a 'sample'.

That sounds great I would love one, but I worry that I just wouldn't have that kind of spare cash available until after the holidays at the very least. Unless someone suddenly buys my house, but I'm not holding my breath With xmas approaching fast i gotta make sure I can afford gifts... so I may be holding off on game purchases for a bit other than what I already ordered, etc. and to top that off I went and found myself a new woman, so that means even more presents to throw my good gaming money away on. I'd ask her to get the board for me for xmas, but she thinks I "have enough army men" .. Bah, humbug!!

If you do end up with an extra board or 2 I would probably be interested still, but I just don't want you to order one just for me and then I can't afford it :(

yeah,
...quiet time necros...you have a new woman...

I think we need to wait till more people have held this before we say it's good/bad.

Panic..

well to throw in my 2 cents.....


First of all cost wise- what i've heard is that the manufactoing peoples had unexpected cost increases to the point that GW would be making a major loss at the original price- thats what led to the increase. To understand how that works- you need to understand that GW can't make all of their products at the factory.. paints, sprays, laser marker lights, zogging massive plastic boards... they all need produced outside the factory- usually by another company (paints by a paint company etc...)
So if the large scale plastic molder people have a make mess up- the costs increase and they then get passed to GW who sadly have to pass them to the customer- its not a case of them being greedy/stark raving mad/ jerks or what have you- its simply what needed to be done so it didn't go from a "quite expensive thing that alot of people think is a mistake" to a "massive cost incurred that sinks the company"


To just take a step back a second.... the entire prices of GW stuff arguement that keeps getting thrown about- GW products generally make very little "profit" after everything is taken into account- somewhere in the region of 7pence per pound
Now I know things in the states are slightly different...but
about a quater of the cost is tax in some shape or form, a quarter will go to the cost of materials, packaging, transport and that good stuff, a quarter will go to support staff and stores- the infastructure that sells and makes the products- and finally that last 1/4 is taken up by the actual production costs (designing, making and upkeep on the molds)
If a full run over the life time of a model is taken into account- that final 1/4 is aimed to give a 7 pence per pound profit if every single one of the sets is sold in the lifetime of the model... some models take an age to "breakeven" heck some never do (The chimera apparently broke even only a couple of years ago)

*mini rant about prices over*

I'm going to have to double post due to wandering off on a tangent there.....




Today we got our sample of the board-
Its nicer than the pictures suggest-
there are tons of little details scattered throughout the boards like skeletons, rubble, pathways, cliffs, skulls (yes skulls..... i know some people hate 'em- i kinda like these ones) The more we looked at each section- the more we noticed.
From the idea of a plastic kit- it is a BRILLIANT kit- its nicely sculpted, it does exactly what its meant to (played a sly little WFB game on it tonight after work) and I can't wait to get one for home.

Upon getting one- holding it (light but very sturdy...i stood on one of the pieces accidently- and i'm not a small guy) I've kinda realised what the board is about...


If you want a plain field of battle thats basically a sheet of green wood/styrofoam and don't care what it looks like- thats what your after.... go for it- this board probably isn't for you

If your the kind of person who wants to go out...buy some wood, add some brackets, cut a load of foam, and make a table thats a labor of love- by all means do so. Hopefully you'll have a table your proud of!
You may even add incredible details all over your board- have a truely modular set of scenery as part of the board- and that'd be awesome- it'd take you alot of time and it would be something excellent.

I don't have the time, nor the skills, nor the patience to do so
I can paint and assemble a model- but if you try to get me to do woodwork- even hammer a nail- and you may want to call an ambulence (which is why i was banned from taking part in the terrain building for gamesday when we took our lovely wooden bunkers)

Yes its an expensive piece of kit, yes it won't be everyones "must have"
but the idea of a table that looks awesome, I can paint in an afternoon, can pack away and hide in a cupboard- and heck take to my friends house on public transport while still taking my army in the other arm.... hell its perfect for me and something i'm willing to spend that money on.

mikhaila wrote: We take 'Codex: Display Case' very seriously

I love that book!

For those who have been all touchy feely with the board, I'd like to ask about the texture of the surface.

You see, I'm a stickler for basing (everything has to have the same technique in my armies) and I am wondering whether or not sand is going to be required to get the desired texture on the board, or do you think the sculpted texture is good enough to just be drybrushed with good results?

I think if you were gentle with the dry brushing i think you'd be good, but the texture isn't that deep IIRC so I think a little sand wouldn't go amiss. Only this is that this will probably reduce the durability of the surface.

Yarr. True dat.

Mind you, I think it should be okay. Get the PVA to the right consistency and it is pretty rugged. Is how the shop boards were done, and they've survived pretty well, all things considered.

Besides, this means you'll be able to have your Stunties Stomped in the Privacy of my house! Just imagine it, your shame limited to me and you!

Bugger, that is quite steep. I'm looking forward to seeing a sample and judging if it's up to it.

The unreleased Citadel gameboards can look really nice. But they cost way, way too much. It's to the point of absurdity. They're probably 2x too expensive. And even if they were $145, they'd be too much.











All the beauty shots make the product look great. But what you get out of the box is plain ol' plastic.

I didn't carefully read all the threads about profit margins, overhead etc. But $290 for 6 pieces of plain grey plastic? Come on.

There's so much that can be bought for $290. 29 movies. Or a video game system. Or 6 video game titles. A round trip ticket to many parts of the United States. It's a month of rent for a lot of places in the states. 2 months of dinner at a fast food restaurant. You can even find a used car at that price.

Don't get me wrong. Spending $300 on terrain can be totally worth it. But this set is plain grey plastic. No flock. No paint. No nothing. You're going to need to spend at least half a day, if not more, making it look somewhat decent.

Because for the cost of $290. This is what you really get:

Holy gak. The fething thing isn't painted?

LOLOLOLOL

Bignutter wrote:First of all cost wise- what i've heard is that the manufactoing peoples had unexpected cost increases to the point that GW would be making a major loss at the original price- thats what led to the increase. To understand how that works- you need to understand that GW can't make all of their products at the factory.. paints, sprays, laser marker lights, zogging massive plastic boards... they all need produced outside the factory- usually by another company (paints by a paint company etc...)
So if the large scale plastic molder people have a make mess up- the costs increase and they then get passed to GW who sadly have to pass them to the customer- its not a case of them being greedy/stark raving mad/ jerks or what have you- its simply what needed to be done so it didn't go from a "quite expensive thing that alot of people think is a mistake" to a "massive cost incurred that sinks the company"

FWIW, this is why you do a test run with your manufacturers.

Get a sample, get a price, sign a contract.

Oh did your costs go up and that's not in the contract? Well, deliver the 10,000 units at the agreed upon price or we'll see you in court.

GW let some idiot sign a contract where all increases in cost were passed to GW.

In Contract 101, that's a big fail.

Then you add in the damn thing isn't anything but a plastic piece of crap...and plastic is CHEAP...and holy crap.

By the way, I made a very nice set of boards AND terrain for about 50 bucks.

300? There isn't an emoticon suitable, so...this:



Equals this:

Classic Stelek, simply classic. LOL

PatoX wrote:The unreleased Citadel gameboards can look really nice. But they cost way, way too much. It's to the point of absurdity. They're probably 2x too expensive. And even if they were $145, they'd be too much.




All the beauty shots make the product look great. But what you get out of the box is plain ol' plastic.

I didn't carefully read all the threads about profit margins, overhead etc. But $290 for 6 pieces of plain grey plastic? Come on.

There's so much that can be bought for $290. 29 movies. Or a video game system. Or 6 video game titles. A round trip ticket to many parts of the United States. It's a month of rent for a lot of places in the states. 2 months of dinner at a fast food restaurant. You can even find a used car at that price.

Don't get me wrong. Spending $300 on terrain can be totally worth it. But this set is plain grey plastic. No flock. No paint. No nothing. You're going to need to spend at least half a day, if not more, making it look somewhat decent.

Because for the cost of $290. This is what you really get:

Sorry to flagellate the dead equine, but another point occurred to me beyond the (absurd) price;

One of the selling features that seems to (in GW's eyes) justify the price is that unlike an own-make board this is board is portable. But the sheets are 2'x2', meaning that's the size of the carrying case... which is fargin enormous. I have a Cooler Master HAF full tower case; this is a full tower mind you, made of mostly steel, and it's still lighter and smaller then the board and carrying case. The board case would be almost twice the size of a citadel miniatures carrying case and very heavy. It's portable in the same way that a folding massage table is portable (and roughly the same weight as some models, too).

Again, what were they thinking when they designed this? A lot of folks are citing the weight of plastic as a reason for the price having to be so high, and maybe so, but who in their right mind designs a game table like that? What market segment could they possibly hope to appeal to with this, instead of a cheaper, lighter (and thus more portable) board?

Sorry Buzzsaw, can you clarify something for me?

You write:

"this is a full tower mind you, made of mostly steel, and it's still lighter and smaller then the board and carrying case."

Have you actually picked up the board and carrying case to compare? Or is that just speculation?

You also write:

"But the sheets are 2'x2', meaning that's the size of the carrying case... which is fargin enormous."

Maybe it's just me, but six 2'x2' boards do not sound that big or heavy.

I'm not saying the board is worth the price tag, but before we say it's cumbersome/heavy/whatever, shouldn't we wait until it actually comes out?

yeah

PatoX wrote:

= win

I look forward to getting mine.
Panic...

Well it's on pre-order here in Oz for a whopping AUD$450!!! Huge-mega ripoff. God... with $450 you could make a gaming table for $150 and still have $300 leftover for two Imperial Sectors.

Anyway, with current exchange rates, it's actually cheaper here than in the US. Not by much mind you, and were you try and get it cheaper in the US by ordering it from Oz the shipping would kill any saving you made, but it's worth noting that, for once, us Aussies are getting something cheaper.

Of course, 'cheaper' in this context is like saying "I'm only going to use my shotgun on one of you kneecaps, not both."

BYE

Plastic is cheap....

plastic molding- especially a 2x2 square, to the same detail as a model is not



And as for size- it actually packs down deceptively small- the hills are desigened to stack on each other- and the result is a 2ft by 2ft by about 8 inch block that is easy to carry

and the thing is bloody light- we were (and probably shouldn't have been) tossing it about

Challenge to those who don't like it....

How would you make/buy a board that follows the benefits of the board....

High detail (there is tons of detail on the board itself- i'll try and nab a camera tommorow)
Modular terrain on the board
Strong pieces that can be switched around and secured
Light
Breaks down into a 2'x2'x8" block- including any terrain built into the board and carried....

can it be done any other way?
could it be done more affordable?

I think it can't- can it?

Zoned wrote:Sorry Buzzsaw, can you clarify something for me?

You write:

"this is a full tower mind you, made of mostly steel, and it's still lighter and smaller then the board and carrying case."

Have you actually picked up the board and carrying case to compare? Or is that just speculation?

True, this is a form of speculation, the speculation that GW is actually truthful on their page when they say;

US customers please note: The Citadel Realm of Battle Gaming Board weighs over 30lb and the price includes a $15 dollar shipping charge.

Zoned wrote:You also write:

"But the sheets are 2'x2', meaning that's the size of the carrying case... which is fargin enormous."

Maybe it's just me, but six 2'x2' boards do not sound that big or heavy.

I'm not saying the board is worth the price tag, but before we say it's cumbersome/heavy/whatever, shouldn't we wait until it actually comes out?

Err, we need to wait to actually see it to know how big a 2'x2' square is? According to Bignutter the case is 8" thick... again, comparing to my huge honkin PC case, we're talking about a carrying case that is taller, wider, heavier and about one inch thinner then a full tower PC case. At 30 pounds, we're talking about a case a heavy as 3.5 copies of Webster's Unabridged English Dictionary (about 8 pounds for the dictionary).

Here's an experiment: get a book bag, stack as many books into it as you can (or 3 of the aforementioned dictionaries if you work in a bookstore) and see how "portable" that is.

Bignutter wrote:Challenge to those who don't like it....

How would you make/buy a board that follows the benefits of the board....

High detail (there is tons of detail on the board itself- i'll try and nab a camera tommorow)
Modular terrain on the board
Strong pieces that can be switched around and secured
Light
Breaks down into a 2'x2'x8" block- including any terrain built into the board and carried....

can it be done any other way?
could it be done more affordable?

I think it can't- can it?

You are right bignutter, those crazy super-geniuses at GW have engineered something that is impossible to replicate! They could charge $25023 and I'd buy one. Thousands of years from now this gameboard will stand out to historians as the crowning technological achievement of the 21st century.

Why are you comparing this to a computer case again?

It's a portable 4x8 table broken into 8 pieces. DIY tables would have the same
dimensions if you took a 4x8 table and broke it into 8 pieces.

So the only real concern is the weight, but since it's a portable table made out
of sturdy plastic then I expect that it's going to be heavier than, say, non-sturdy plastic.

So then there's cost. Oh look, it costs less than your computer! Comparisons
like this don't really make sense. The main arguments in this thread deal with
whether the saved time and product are worth the spent money. To consider this, we'd
be better off comparing notes on how well DIY tables travel, paint up, etc.

olympia wrote:

Bignutter wrote:Challenge to those who don't like it....

How would you make/buy a board that follows the benefits of the board....

High detail (there is tons of detail on the board itself- i'll try and nab a camera tommorow)
Modular terrain on the board
Strong pieces that can be switched around and secured
Light
Breaks down into a 2'x2'x8" block- including any terrain built into the board and carried....

can it be done any other way?
could it be done more affordable?

I think it can't- can it?

You are right bignutter, those crazy super-geniuses at GW have engineered something that is impossible to replicate! They could charge $25023 and I'd buy one. Thousands of years from now this gameboard will stand out to historians as the crowning technological achievement of the 21st century.

The biggest thing going for it vs. DIY is the interlocking plastic and sturdiness. It's not enough
to get me at this price, but I don't really game in the house.

olympia wrote:

Bignutter wrote:Challenge to those who don't like it....

How would you make/buy a board that follows the benefits of the board....

High detail (there is tons of detail on the board itself- i'll try and nab a camera tommorow)
Modular terrain on the board
Strong pieces that can be switched around and secured
Light
Breaks down into a 2'x2'x8" block- including any terrain built into the board and carried....

can it be done any other way?
could it be done more affordable?

I think it can't- can it?

You are right bignutter, those crazy super-geniuses at GW have engineered something that is impossible to replicate! They could charge $25023 and I'd buy one. Thousands of years from now this gameboard will stand out to historians as the crowning technological achievement of the 21st century.

I think you missed the point there-
can you do those things for less than that price? It never said it was the crowning technological achievement or somesuch, but it is abit different from a slab of MDF with some sand glued on

I don't know if you guys realize but if you could order the board from the UK with the current amount the pound is worth it would be around 240.00 US dollars where as the US GW is 275.00 plus shipping. I wonder how much shipping would be from the UK?

malfred wrote:Why are you comparing this to a computer case again?

Err, 'cause I find it astonishing that a product at least partially sold on it's portability almost exactly matches the dimensions of something else so manifestly non-portable (size and weight are only off by a few percent)? If you have a particular brand of 28.25" flat screen tv's in mind that are 8 inches deep and weight 30 pounds, I'd be happy to use that as a reference.

malfred wrote:It's a portable 4x8 table broken into 8 pieces. DIY tables would have the same
dimensions if you took a 4x8 table and broke it into 8 pieces.

4x6

malfred wrote:So the only real concern is the weight, but since it's a portable table made out
of sturdy plastic then I expect that it's going to be heavier than, say, non-sturdy plastic.

So then there's cost. Oh look, it costs less than your computer! Comparisons
like this don't really make sense. The main arguments in this thread deal with
whether the saved time and product are worth the spent money. To consider this, we'd
be better off comparing notes on how well DIY tables travel, paint up, etc.

Well gorsh, other then the weight and price, it's perfect eh? (For the sake of continuity I'll assume someone has argued it was less then their PC, since I certainly didn't.)

My point has been to point out to prospective buyers (hopefully before they commit to a purchase) that if you're thinking of buying this item as a portable gaming solution, realize it's roughly as portable as a microwave oven.

My secondary point has been to ask why they didn't design this thing as a hollow plastic design (or molded Styrofoam or polyunsaturated fairy farts or whatnot) decreasing weight of plastic, and thus both decreasing cost and increasing portability?

For some reason I thought it was 4x8. Woops.

I made the PC cost vs. table cost as a snark on the PC portability vs. table portability.
Perhaps my humor was a bit misapplied, but when isn't it?

Hollow plastic? The idea is that it sits on top of a table and then you place minis and such
on top of it. I imagine the heft is there so that it's play worthy and not flimsy. Amera is
a company that makes cool plastic molded buildings, but I wouldn't want the same process
done for a table.

I don't know materials engineering, so I'm guessing that the cost would be far greater
if they could make he job with a lighter plastic that doesn't pass up sturdiness.

A portable microwave oven is probably more portable than the portable gas ovens
traveling gamers have been lugging around for ages.

malfred wrote:For some reason I thought it was 4x8. Woops.

I made the PC cost vs. table cost as a snark on the PC portability vs. table portability.
Perhaps my humor was a bit misapplied, but when isn't it?

Uh, I guess so...

malfred wrote:Hollow plastic? The idea is that it sits on top of a table and then you place minis and such
on top of it. I imagine the heft is there so that it's play worthy and not flimsy. Amera is
a company that makes cool plastic molded buildings, but I wouldn't want the same process
done for a table.

I don't know materials engineering, so I'm guessing that the cost would be far greater
if they could make he job with a lighter plastic that doesn't pass up sturdiness.

See, that's the line it seems people who are defending this product are taking, sturdiness. I just don't buy it: true, with that kind of weight it's not going to move around much, but at least in my group we play using loads of pieces of molded styrofoam. The stuff is durable, light and incredibly cheap.

I'm honestly asking, why did GW make the decisions they did here? Why make a product so expensive and so heavy instead of cheap and light? Does it really just come down to the perception that it has to weigh loads to be quality?

malfred wrote:A portable microwave oven is probably more portable than the portable gas ovens
traveling gamers have been lugging around for ages.

Is this more of the aforementioned humor, because I have a sudden idea for tailgating at the FLGS... and that screams Awesome!

Yeah, I made that suggestion to my friend.

"We should have Garage Con. Rent out parking spaces in a parking garage and just bust out the
tables for miniatures gaming. It'll be like those caught on tape videos, except with nerds
and minis instead of sex."

At $450 Australian, i won't be getting 1, it is way too expensive for me to afford. Shame though, it does look quite nice.

so, you have to pay that much for a huge chunk of plastic? 0_o
and they dont make enough on that? lol
they should atleast throw in some flock, gravel and pva

i think ill make my own.

yeah,

What i also need to know, If any one who has played around with the table can answer is how strong is the connections?

Basically
Can you have entire sections overhang the table edge unsupported? no problem
or will you be risking the connections breaking/loosen and have a 6th of the table, loaded with minis fall free!!!

I'm thinking this will especially matter alot if you add two kits together?

do they have a recommened size of table size under that the board sits on?
I think this could harm portability if you can't put the 6x4 ontop of a smaller table(s) say 4x3 in size...

Panic...

Panic wrote:yeah,

What i also need to know, If any one who has played around with the table can answer is how strong is the connections?

Basically
Can you have entire sections overhang the table edge unsupported? no problem
or will you be risking the connections breaking/loosen and have a 6th of the table, loaded with minis fall free!!!

I'm thinking this will especially matter alot if you add two kits together?

do they have a recommened size of table size under that the board sits on?
I think this could harm portability if you can't put the 6x4 ontop of a smaller table(s) say 4x3 in size...

Panic...

The guys who were demonstrating it on at the UK Games Day said it could overhang up top halve a tile, so a 4x3 table could in theory work. These guys also invented it. The 6x4 table they demoed was very sturdy and when shaken heavily in corner it all stayed rigid together.

The price tag has risen to a level few gamers will are willing to pay. I was convinced to buy one when I saw it at the Games Day, but even at £100 I thought it was very expensive.
Maybe GW is better of selling many of these boards with no or little profit at the original price, then selling almost none at the new price.

I hear tons of people going on and on about "i'll make my own"

95% of the gaming tables have ever played on or seen look like crap. They seem to come in 2 varieties.

first is course cheap playground sand glued down onto MDF board, then slathered with paint. the lightweight boards get warped as the glue dries, the thicker boards stay flat but are a pain to move. this style board is generally accompanied with unpainted or damaged terrain pieces that can be moved around for each game played. downside is the "woods" or "hills"can be moved out of place during the game when the table is bumped or models moved. most of these hills are so steep models tip over, especially warhammer regiments.

the second type i see are 2" thick pink foam squares. these are based and painted, some with water effects cut into the foam, and trees glued directly onto the board. these gaming tables never survive long. the foam chips at the corners, trees get snapped off, leaving a hole or unpainted patch.

the only tables I've seen that are scratch build that compare to the amount of detail on these boards are the games day custom built tables. those tables have unlimited foam to work with to create built in hills, cliffs, as well as unlimited access to sprues for skulls, weapons, corpses, shields and other bits to add to the table. I have never seen this on any game club or home boards.

not everyone has access to that pink foam to make their own. I'd have to use the softer white foam. I used this when i made my bloodbowl board. within 2 gaming nights the table already had a severe dent on the field where an elbow leaned on the table.

without that pink foam i'm limited to the GW hills, which come pre flocked. I want a ashen waste table as i play chaos of several flavors, and all my 40K models are city wastes/ashen waste basing. this table allows me to have a detailed table, that has hills and rocky outcroppings built in. the only thing I would need to add are my cityfight buildings glued to thin MDF and based.

I'm not saying its worth it to me at the current price, but if i found one on sale, I would probably grab one. Sure people can make a table for $50 that is functional, but it is gonna look like a $50 table, especially in 6-9 months.

Blackadder wrote:Maybe GW is better of selling many of these boards with no or little profit at the original price, then selling almost none at the new price.

Yeah,
I agree with your outlook on the sales economics, surely selling alot of these tables at minimal profits (maybe even at a loss) would mean that there are more warhammer tables out there and this in return would mean more people are buying more minis to play on them...

a bit like when they give you a free/cheap sticker collection book, then you have a reason to buy stickers...

also thanks for the overhang info.


belize13,
there are loads more types, and while i agree no one likes playing on a rubbish table, they serve a purpose?
I don't think any one says this table sucks... this is a really nice table... It's the price that people don't like...
you forgetting battle mats and boards with static grass stuck down... (like mine)...




PaniC...

Having seen and painted one first hand here is my 2 cents.

The table for 290 US is a rip off. The pieces are not made to stack together, they are all fully molded with supports underneath. I would not recommend any overhang, your just asking for trouble, as the clips that hold the sections together are just molded plastic themselves.

Painting it is just as fun as paying for it. The GW spray primer covers about 2 - 2 1/2 sections a can, so maybe 3 cans to cover the table. Now that it is primed, take great care as it has HUGE surface areas to have the primer rubbed off as you move it to paint it. To keep the paint on it, I recommend a matte varnish as soon as you finish a color. I did not flock this table, as it was to be a type of chaos wasteland so I can't give any advice how to keep flock on it.

As to being able to port it around, GL on that friends. The case comes out to be around 2'x2'x7". Its not that heavy, but to assemble it on a table is a PAITA.

Guys, take this how you want, but in my personal opinion, this table is not ment for just us. Here is what I mean. I have been a Grand Tournament player for some time, and have watched the guys that set those events up work very hard on the tables. The tables GW uses for their tournaments weigh a tone because they are heavy wood boards. These things need to be wheeled in special carts that fit around 10 tables each. I can only guess each one of those carts weigh close to 1000 lbs. loaded. That means that in an average GT, they are moving 10 to 20 carts full of these table boards. That does not include the trees, buildings, and other pieces that need to be shipped from place to place. Your looking at over 30 carts worth of GT garb that needs to go to LA, LV, CHI, and anywhere else they hold events. Coming from someone that works with shipping and knows trucking costs for moving this much stuff, it must cost GW thousands of dollars to set one of these tournaments up with this system. I'm just talking about shipping costs here, nothing else.

So lets look at it from GW point of view. If your looking to cut costs, where do you start. Do you make crappy models and lose your fan base, NO. Do you stop releasing new items and cool product, NO. Do you down size and fire people to cut costs with payroll, NO. You do the next best thing. You simplify you shipping and events circuit. If these tables are as portible as the pictures show, (I mean they do fit in bags) then you've cut your transportation costs by more then half. The old shipping system would easily fill a truck and if not 2 trucks full. That's 18 wheelers, not your Ford F150. The new system would fill a small Uhaul truck and still have room for extra product or merchanise.

I think GW looked at this and said, "guys how do we keep our GT looking good, but reduce our shipping and moving costs?" Someone that is very smart came up with these tables. It solves the shipping costs problem, the set up problems, and it looks good. I also think that they never really ment to sell a bunch of them. Why else would they price them so high. These tables may cost a bunch, we will never know. We can't just say plastic is cheap, and forms are easy to pore. We don't know, we don't make plastic tables, and I don't think any of us have paid for industrial plasics to know what this stuff truly is worth.

What I can say for sure is, GW may just not want to sell as many of these as we all may think. Maybe they just decided to make them available to the public to meet quantity numbers so they could get a price break. Maybe those quantities were not met, so prices when up to GW that in turn got pushed to us. Who knows?????

All we can say for sure is that it's a cool product at a very high price. Lets make things simple. If you don't have the cash to buy it, then don't. Head down to your local retailer and play there. Ask yourselves this question. What is your drive time, gas cost, and retailers hours worth to you? If you would rather play with your buddies in your basement at 3 am with cold beers in one hand and sportscenter on the tube, then these tables are for you. If you like driving down to your local retailer and talking to the shop owners, then these tables are not for you.

I personally give the tables a 9 out of 10 for build and look. I give them a 5 out of 10 for price considering my earlier points. I will get one just because I have to have everything GW makes, but I do understand that I may be one of the few.

"GL" and "PAITA" ?

GL = Grenade Launcher (or Good Luck, not sure which)
PAITA = Panic Attack In The [Rectal] Area

So if GW were to number their table sets like FW does with certain kits I'd end up somewhere below the double digits when purchasing one

Being plastic with the built in hills is nice, but them being tiles with very obvious lines between the sections means that they're not all I'd hope they'd be (at least from the pictures) That and given the price, I won't be picking one up though I did consider it when they were being marketed at $175.

One thing I don't get is the argument that these are mainly for shops and not standard customers. Shops don't need terrain that can be easily transported in most cases. I can see the argument for individuals that might want to game over at a friends house, but I still think its a fairly small minority of GW's customer base.

What I do like about all the controversy is that it got people talking about terrain, which people seldom do. Maybe people will actually put forth more effort in painting some cool terrain with the launch of this product (even if they go with a cheaper alternative). Personally I recommend the zuzzy matts. I got one (despoiled reaches), glued it down to a board, and I've gotten loads of complements on the finished product. Right now I'm working on additional pieces to flesh the basic board set-up out.

The GW craters, by the way, are ace and a bargain in my opinion at $17. I wish GW would produce more products like that!

Here's a not so great picture of my board with some mininal terrain on it.

Does the carrying bag come with some type of foam insert or protective covering to slide between he boards? Not that I'm getting one but I could see someone spending a lot of time painting it up and then putting it into the bag and taking it somewhere only to have a bunch of sand, flock, and paint rub off in transportation...

Tazok wrote:Being plastic with the built in hills is nice, but them being tiles with very obvious lines between the sections means that they're not all I'd hope they'd be (at least from the pictures) That and given the price, I won't be picking one up though I did consider it when they were being marketed at $175.

One thing I don't get is the argument that these are mainly for shops and not standard customers. Shops don't need terrain that can be easily transported in most cases. I can see the argument for individuals that might want to game over at a friends house, but I still think its a fairly small minority of GW's customer base.

What I do like about all the controversy is that it got people talking about terrain, which people seldom do. Maybe people will actually put forth more effort in painting some cool terrain with the launch of this product (even if they go with a cheaper alternative). Personally I recommend the zuzzy matts. I got one (despoiled reaches), glued it down to a board, and I've gotten loads of complements on the finished product. Right now I'm working on additional pieces to flesh the basic board set-up out.

The GW craters, by the way, are ace and a bargain in my opinion at $17. I wish GW would produce more products like that!

Here's a not so great picture of my board with some mininal terrain on it.

Any post you find where you can pimp your platforms, I say go for it Tazok.

Is that a Zuzzy board in that pic? I may have to get me one (or two, or three) of those.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

yeah,
nice table tazok

I think the main advantage for me will be a really nice variable table that i can put away somewhere tidy when i'm done playing.

PaniC..

Yes, zuzzy matt (despoiled reaches).

Here's another picture, closer up with no platform (since it may or may not offend Malfred, I can't tell )

InquisitorFabius wrote:Having seen and painted one first hand here is my 2 cents.

The table for 290 US is a rip off. The pieces are not made to stack together, they are all fully molded with supports underneath. I would not recommend any overhang, your just asking for trouble, as the clips that hold the sections together are just molded plastic themselves.

Painting it is just as fun as paying for it. The GW spray primer covers about 2 - 2 1/2 sections a can, so maybe 3 cans to cover the table. Now that it is primed, take great care as it has HUGE surface areas to have the primer rubbed off as you move it to paint it. To keep the paint on it, I recommend a matte varnish as soon as you finish a color. I did not flock this table, as it was to be a type of chaos wasteland so I can't give any advice how to keep flock on it.

As to being able to port it around, GL on that friends. The case comes out to be around 2'x2'x7". Its not that heavy, but to assemble it on a table is a PAITA.

Well as someone else using and painting one...

They do stack- they are built to stack- but its face to face- not one on top of the other all facing up- thats how they have that 7-8 inch thickness that makes them fit in the bag.
You can overhang the boards over the edge of the table- however you couldn't have an unsupported section- the clips are to keep it together- not to hold the board up off the ground. We currently have ours sat on a 2' x 4' table straight up the middle- and haven't had any problems even with a 3000pt game going on it.

Painting it is about as much fun as painting any table- sure primer only covers a couple of boards....but doesn't the primer only cover that much no matter what your painting?
Foundation paints can help out abit here- especially with a HUGE brush or a spray gun-
In fact the scenery painting kit is coming out at the same time- and we're using that to paint the whole board- its a huge bottle of brown, big bottle of ochre paint and a big wall brush- as well as a load of glue and static grass to do an entire table.
We had the table painted and drybrushed and gameable in about 20 mins. Add another 10 mins and the grass would have been down- and maybe another 20 mins to paint the many details- but after 20 mins there was so many people gathered round we had to have a game on it


Finally putting it all together... guess that one is abit of an inititive test- we clipped it together upsidedown and then flipped it in a pair. Also assembled it on a table by putting one section on at a time- didn't have any problems. It is a HELL of alot easier to move about than the current store 5' x 4' wooden tables- and don't even ask me to move the 6' x 4' ones

@Bignutter: finally someone who has worked with it and gives useful feedback. Thanks, this seals the deal for me I am getting one.

oh one final one- if you are worried about the paint/grass rubbing off- just give it a quick coat of spray varnish- we do that with all our boards and it keeps them rock solid

Bignutter wrote:In fact the scenery painting kit is coming out at the same time- and we're using that to paint the whole board- its a huge bottle of brown, big bottle of ochre paint and a big wall brush- as well as a load of glue and static grass to do an entire table.

How much was the scenery painting kit?

Even better, got a link to it somewhere so I can see whats in it?

Lormax wrote:

Bignutter wrote:In fact the scenery painting kit is coming out at the same time- and we're using that to paint the whole board- its a huge bottle of brown, big bottle of ochre paint and a big wall brush- as well as a load of glue and static grass to do an entire table.

How much was the scenery painting kit?

Even better, got a link to it somewhere so I can see whats in it?

There is a site I know that has these things: this one

Really, painting boards isn't too expsensive if you don't use GW stuff. My current basement board, which is literally a plywood board, I simply primed black with two cans of Rustoleum Black Primer (~5$ total?) then did a dusting of brown (1$ cheap) and then a light flecking of a white stone textured spray (7$). Other than the black which was pretty well used 80%, I still have plenty of the other colors left for other purposes. Total time was maybe 2 hours including dry time. Then again, I didn't glue sand to it.

If you were going to dry brush and paint this without spray, I would recommend getting some craft glue at AC Moore or Wal Mart. The big bottles cost like 2$ and you could paint your house with them. Save the expensive stuff for models

Bignutter wrote:

InquisitorFabius wrote:Having seen and painted one first hand here is my 2 cents.

The table for 290 US is a rip off. The pieces are not made to stack together, they are all fully molded with supports underneath. I would not recommend any overhang, your just asking for trouble, as the clips that hold the sections together are just molded plastic themselves.

Painting it is just as fun as paying for it. The GW spray primer covers about 2 - 2 1/2 sections a can, so maybe 3 cans to cover the table. Now that it is primed, take great care as it has HUGE surface areas to have the primer rubbed off as you move it to paint it. To keep the paint on it, I recommend a matte varnish as soon as you finish a color. I did not flock this table, as it was to be a type of chaos wasteland so I can't give any advice how to keep flock on it.

As to being able to port it around, GL on that friends. The case comes out to be around 2'x2'x7". Its not that heavy, but to assemble it on a table is a PAITA.

Well as someone else using and painting one...

They do stack- they are built to stack- but its face to face- not one on top of the other all facing up- thats how they have that 7-8 inch thickness that makes them fit in the bag.
You can overhang the boards over the edge of the table- however you couldn't have an unsupported section- the clips are to keep it together- not to hold the board up off the ground. We currently have ours sat on a 2' x 4' table straight up the middle- and haven't had any problems even with a 3000pt game going on it.

Painting it is about as much fun as painting any table- sure primer only covers a couple of boards....but doesn't the primer only cover that much no matter what your painting?
Foundation paints can help out abit here- especially with a HUGE brush or a spray gun-
In fact the scenery painting kit is coming out at the same time- and we're using that to paint the whole board- its a huge bottle of brown, big bottle of ochre paint and a big wall brush- as well as a load of glue and static grass to do an entire table.
We had the table painted and drybrushed and gameable in about 20 mins. Add another 10 mins and the grass would have been down- and maybe another 20 mins to paint the many details- but after 20 mins there was so many people gathered round we had to have a game on it


Finally putting it all together... guess that one is abit of an inititive test- we clipped it together upsidedown and then flipped it in a pair. Also assembled it on a table by putting one section on at a time- didn't have any problems. It is a HELL of alot easier to move about than the current store 5' x 4' wooden tables- and don't even ask me to move the 6' x 4' ones

Thank you..thank you..thank you.

As someone living in a small barracks room, and with the commons area not having any wargaming tables, I was contemplating getting this piece. Now that you've described it in more detail, I think I will. And to make painting easier, I might just take a paint chip or so down to the paint store to get some giant gallons of GW paint!

PS: To all those that are disparaging this piece, as an Army soldier, it's pretty glorious. I have more money than time, and something like this will make Wargaming so much funner. Especially since I don't have to lug a huge gaming table when the Army reassigns me!

wow, i totally forgot about zuzzy. and you know what the sad thing is? I was given many sample strips from other gamers at a tournament and I used said strips to base the beginning of my demon army(a little fiddly for slotta bases, but great finished look).

for those who dont know what we are talking about: http://www.zuzzy.com/dr-tf-001_terra_flex_gaming_mat.html

In your pics it looks like you glued your mat down to a board. did you have any trouble? any tips? what kind of paint did you use? GW or house paint mixed to match GW colors? On their site they dont recommend primer, but thats because it cracks if you roll up the mat. I've had no trouble with primer on the strips i glued to my bases. I'm just worried about the generic house paints filling up all the detail.

For my miniatures I typically use GW paints, but for the zuzzy board I used the cheap paints from Michael's--Apple barrel, I think. I used 5 or 6 different colors. I didn't prime it, but I did spray a base coat of dark brown. As far as gluing it down, I used a combination of liquid nails, gorilla glue and wood glue. Probably overkill, but it worked. The table itself is just a frame, so I can switch over boards for further combinations in the future.

BrookM wrote:

Lormax wrote:

Bignutter wrote:In fact the scenery painting kit is coming out at the same time- and we're using that to paint the whole board- its a huge bottle of brown, big bottle of ochre paint and a big wall brush- as well as a load of glue and static grass to do an entire table.

How much was the scenery painting kit?

Even better, got a link to it somewhere so I can see whats in it?

There is a site I know that has these things: this one

You are probably going to need at least 2 of these to paint that table, you are much better off with:

1/2 gallon of scorched brown from the hardware store (64 oz, 4.5x as much!) - $7
2x ochre craft paint (12X as much assuming 8ml bottles!) - $3
4" brush - $3
32 oz shaker of woodland scenics static grass (4x as much!) - $12
1 gallon of PVA (32x as much!) - $9

All for $34, six less than the scenery pack and you'll have enough to do 3 of these tables, and base tons of minis......

Holy Crap! You mean I can buy things separately and save money?!

Most of GW's hobby products are a convenience. EVERYTHING they sell in the hobby section I can find cheaper at a hardware store or an art supplier.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ozymandias wrote:Holy Crap! You mean I can buy things separately and save money?!

Most of GW's hobby products are a convenience. EVERYTHING they sell in the hobby section I can find cheaper at a hardware store or an art supplier.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

But believe it or not there are people who think "OMG I'M SO HAPPY THAT GW PUT TOGETHER A SCENERY PAINTING KIT WITH ALL THE STUFF I NEED THAT I CAN'T GET ANYWHERE ELSE BUT A GW STORE!!!!11111!!!"
So sometimes you have to spell it out for them.....

mattyboy22 wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Holy Crap! You mean I can buy things separately and save money?!

Most of GW's hobby products are a convenience. EVERYTHING they sell in the hobby section I can find cheaper at a hardware store or an art supplier.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

But believe it or not there are people who think "OMG I'M SO HAPPY THAT GW PUT TOGETHER A SCENERY PAINTING KIT WITH ALL THE STUFF I NEED THAT I CAN'T GET ANYWHERE ELSE BUT A GW STORE!!!!11111!!!"
So sometimes you have to spell it out for them.....

I wouldn't put the "fan-boy" crowd to be so bad

besides- the scenery painting pack is enough to do one full gaming board- its what its designed for- hence the convenience

Sorry, I'm not specifically picking on the fanboy crowd, just those that think that they can only do their gaming with GW stuff and don't notice the alternatives.
I don't think that's enough to do an entire board, especially if you are going to paint the entire board with the brown and static grass the whole thing like those fancy preview pics.

Quite a lot of the people I used to play didn´t get the point that mattboy is making. Every time I said at my store that I could buy GW minis and even paints but there was no way I was buying hobby supplies that I could get at the hardware store for a % of the price they kept staring at me like if they were waiting for the warp to open a shallow me. (and I´m talking about an independent store not a GW)

Anyway my 2$ or € or whatever, if you like the board go for it and enjoy it when I beat my wife into allowing me a gaming board I´ll probably do it myself as I find it more enjoyable and cheaper than buying this one, if it were painted I would consider it but unfinished it´s way too overpriced. Unless as some people pointed you don´t have an iota of spare hobby time.

M.

If you make a board out of common household DIY supplies like plywood, chipboard, plaster and so on, it can be painted using the same techniques you would use for any normal decorating -- rollers, brushes and emulsion.

The main difference is you don't have to be careful to get a nice smooth finish, so the cheaper and nastier supplies you buy the better it works!

A plaster table would be extremelly heavy, but you cant beat the cool textures.

BTW why are people priming with GW sprays? its just a waste of money.

I knew I'd open up a can of worms asking for that link, though that was the point. $40 for that? Again, whoever paid for that thank you for helping fund our next batch of plastic models. I'll be at home depot, picking up a gallon of brown paint, a cheap-ass large brush, a large thing of white glue and a spray can of lighter brown paint. A quick stop at the beach to pick up some sand and one more stop at the model railroad store (or general hobbyshop) to get some woodland scenics flock/static grass/whatever you wanna call it.

1 Gallon of paint, color to taste, $8
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100166737&N=10000003+90048+527893

1 Can of spray paint, link given for example, $4
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100257837&N=10000003+90048+500225

Foam Brush, link shows 1 inch, I've seen them at 4 inch, so lets say $2
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100115974&N=10000003+90048

Or get a nicer 2-3 inch for about $4
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100534826&N=10000003+90048+501792

225 ml (vs 118 from GW) of white glue (aka PVA glue). Anything left over can be used for basing your models. $2
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100545002

Static Grass, comes in a large variety of colors and in a HUGE container, so you'll have plenty left over to do your models with as well. $11
http://www.woodlandscenics.com/items.cfm/StaticGrassFlock

Sand, it's FREE. Don't live by a beach? Contact a local supplier, they'll give you a small bucketful for free. Check craigslist, people are giving away dirt/sand all the time. Hell, contact me. pay for shipping, I'll send you some. It'll be $4.00

So, using the nicer brush, I'm at $29. I'll have material left over for use on other hobby related items which saves me even more $$ over the time it takes to use it all up. Or I can split the cost with a friend that also picked up a table, making it $14.50.

We covered this. We know we can get it cheaper elsewhere (and I do!), but I know a lot of people who like the convenience of buying all of their hobby supplies (minis, paint, terrain, etc) at their local GW retailer.

Hell, why do you think GW sells tape measures, PVA and superglue?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

It's the convenience of not having to buy most of that stuff, actually.

The scenery painting kit is all about convenience...

by the time you've drive to all those places and picked up all those things- i'd have got home and have my board done with the 1 set

and yes- it does only take one set- with plenty of paint, glue and grass left (we finished ours- and have started rebasing a staff army to match the colours- since its pretty )

Bignutter wrote:The scenery painting kit is all about convenience...

by the time you've drive to all those places and picked up all those things- i'd have got home and have my board done with the 1 set

and yes- it does only take one set- with plenty of paint, glue and grass left (we finished ours- and have started rebasing a staff army to match the colours- since its pretty )

Unless you are lucky like me and drive by 2 hardware stores, a Hobbytown USA, and 2 art supply stores on you 20 min drive to work!

Also lack of Car makes a difference.

Other than Bobs, down the road from work, I can't get to my hardware stores.

NAVARRO wrote:A plaster table would be extremelly heavy, but you cant beat the cool textures.

BTW why are people priming with GW sprays? its just a waste of money.

I wouldn't make a whole table out of plaster, I would just use it for texturing areas.

Got mine today. Painting it tomorrow.

It's pretty heavy duty. I don't think it's going to take any damage from the abuse of packing it up and tossing in your car. The clips were easy to use and hold the table together. (I'll be taping a heavy ziplock bag to the underside of one of the hill pieces, so that I always have a spot to put the clips when I pack the table up.)

The small details will look good once they are picked out. Makes for a very nice gaming table. Whether it's worth the price is up to each person and there needs. The less you need a storable, packable table, the less you're going to be inclined to buy this. For the person that wants something they can toss in a closet, it's worth the price.
(Still hard for me to judge, I'll be the first to admit, since mine is coming at a significant discount, as a store sample. ) Quality of the product is excellant. Price vs. that Quality is up to the buyer.

Even at $290 I find myself tempted. I travel to people's houses quite a bit and it would be nice to have one box of scenery and one table that I can throw in my truck and bring over.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

NAVARRO wrote:BTW why are people priming with GW sprays? its just a waste of money.

Because I don't spend money on anything GW related. I spend store credit.

Bignutter wrote:The scenery painting kit is all about convenience...

by the time you've drive to all those places and picked up all those things- i'd have got home and have my board done with the 1 set

and yes- it does only take one set- with plenty of paint, glue and grass left (we finished ours- and have started rebasing a staff army to match the colours- since its pretty )

I know the small bottle of paint that comes with the scenery painting pack is Tausept Ochre, but the big bottle of brown, what color is it exactly? Khemri Brown, Calthan Brown, something else entirely? I ask because I have some trees and hills coming in and I plan on getting this set to do the table with so that everything matches, scenery bases ect.

I'd imagine you'd have enough paint leftover to do the trees and that.

Also, I suspect the paint is Scorched Brown. Nice dark base to work up from.

Kilkrazy wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:A plaster table would be extremelly heavy, but you cant beat the cool textures.

BTW why are people priming with GW sprays? its just a waste of money.

I wouldn't make a whole table out of plaster, I would just use it for texturing areas.

You know, with a tiny bit of planning you could get a really professional look on a modular home made table. I'm working more and more with plaster these days and I could imagine something really outstanding with this material.

I got to see and touch the thing yesterday. It was actually very cool. It's big, sturdy, all that stuff. A lot of detail too, little skulls stuck in cracks in the ground, etc. I think it would look better just painted, save the flock for your bases. The sack that it comes with is really big and shouldn't have a problem holding everything safely.

IMO, on my kind of budget, it would be worth it if it was still $175, $200 is ok but pushing it, $300 is no way.

mikhaila wrote:Got mine today. Painting it tomorrow.

It's pretty heavy duty. I don't think it's going to take any damage from the abuse of packing it up and tossing in your car. The clips were easy to use and hold the table together. (I'll be taping a heavy ziplock bag to the underside of one of the hill pieces, so that I always have a spot to put the clips when I pack the table up.)

The small details will look good once they are picked out. Makes for a very nice gaming table. Whether it's worth the price is up to each person and there needs. The less you need a storable, packable table, the less you're going to be inclined to buy this. For the person that wants something they can toss in a closet, it's worth the price.
(Still hard for me to judge, I'll be the first to admit, since mine is coming at a significant discount, as a store sample. ) Quality of the product is excellant. Price vs. that Quality is up to the buyer.

You got yours already??? Pics please.

300 for a table seems pretty insane. Not sure what in it is supposed to even cost half that really, for that amounth of cash you can make 3 really nice tables if you are abit handy. Cant understand how pepole really can pay this.. Except for rich people who doesnt care about money at least.

Or those without the requisite skills to make one from scratch, or whose storage options are limited to a Hut in the Garden, since the plastic won't warp out of shape like a wooden board.

And hey, no one is forcing anyone to buy it. If you can build one cheaper, go for it. Not as if you are now limited to playing on said board, is it?

Tought it was the price that was beeing discussed. The cost for making the table is really nothing compared to what they want for it. If it had been more reasonable they would have had more buyers. I would have gotten it for about 150, maybe 200, so would alot of other people I have been talking too but this is just to much.

Again, I would ask how you are so intimate as to the production costs? Or are you just speculating?

Sorry, didnt see that question in your last post. But I and most other people who usually build and buys terrain stuff to make boards(and other pices) knows rough sums for making stuff. I have no exact caulqulations ofcourse since im not working specifically on this project, but I know it cant run away that far from what others do. (Its actually probably alot less with their suppliers and acessability to premade terrain).

Why the agressive tone?

We may have a crossed wire here...

The bit I was responding to was 'The cost for making the table is really nothing compared to what they want for it'

I initially read that as stating GW are making a killing in profit on the board. But now I read it again, you may be referring to the cost of making a similar board DIY. If so, please accept my apologies.

This discussion is now starting to go in circles, so I'm going to lock the thread.

If people would like to discuss ideas for decorating the GW boards or for making your own, there is a lot of support for painting and building stuff in the Modelling Forum.