unbeatable army list
1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn
=[b]win

how is that an army list. You have no troops.

Alas, no.

It's very simple to prove that no army is unbeatable.

Put your 'unbeatable army' against another identical army. Would it always be a draw? Methinks not!

InyokaMadoda wrote:Put your 'unbeatable army' against another identical army. Would it always be a draw? Methinks not!

10/10

Edited post. Ignore. I'm a slow.

Aaaaaand STOP!

...

Battlecannon time!


Or plasma, or melta guns, or powerklaws, etc.

Darkness wrote:how is that an army list. You have no troops.

(sigh) read again please :S

InyokaMadoda wrote:Alas, no.

It's very simple to prove that no army is unbeatable.

Put your 'unbeatable army' against another identical army. Would it always be a draw? Methinks not!

well thats true

Why thank you sir!

InyokaMadoda wrote:Why thank you sir!

anytime sir

Oh yeah suck it

Space Marine Captain 100 points

30 Terminators w/ StormShields and Lightning claws


1 5 man Scout Squad

1 5 Man Scout squad.

1500


thats right cradle the balls, mmm yeah.

Hollismason wrote:Oh yeah suck it

Space Marine Captain 100 points

30 Terminators w/ StormShields and Lightning claws


1 5 man Scout Squad

1 5 Man Scout squad.

1500


thats right cradle the balls, mmm yeah.

and then the dice come up as and mixed with and a little are the response

Oh yeah beat this

1 CSM Lord w/Mark of Khorne & Daemon Weapon
5 CSM
5 CSM
30 Spawn

1500 pts

Mark of Nurgle doesnt mean the units are fearless... one sweep and your expensive bikes are by by..

shogun wrote:Mark of Nurgle doesnt mean the units are fearless... one sweep and your expensive bikes are by by..

i think they are

Vindicare Assassin= Pop the bike Icon (T5 now, bitches!)
Kill all other Icons (Hey look, overpriced normal CSMs!)

infiltrating sacrificial squad WAY over to the side. closest enemy, all the Spawn go that way!

Hardly "indestructable" at all. At 2500 pts. it'd be interesting to fight but not bad at all if expecting it.

Plague Marines would make it a bit tougher and of course some special weapons so they might actually DO something whilst being tough.

30 spawnlist? Bring it to me! Spawnslayer will be my middle name...

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Vindicare Assassin= Pop the bike Icon (T5 now, bitches!)
Kill all other Icons (Hey look, overpriced normal CSMs!)

infiltrating sacrificial squad WAY over to the side. closest enemy, all the Spawn go that way!

Hardly "indestructable" at all. At 2500 pts. it'd be interesting to fight but not bad at all if expecting it.

Plague Marines would make it a bit tougher and of course some special weapons so they might actually DO something whilst being tough.

thanks il take that into mind

I like my 3 exorcist list : )

especially when I see these lists

so any tips to expand or improve?

... mark of nergle bikers T4(6) vs wrathguard T6 ...

having done a Plauge marine on Wraithgaurd fight it never ends

rofl the thing is il get 3 land raiders,you have nothing over str 8 rofl!

So far, it loses to a Seer Council, a Land Raider spam, Drop Pod/Librarian Sternguard, Dark Lance spam, Terminator spam, and for the sake of naming lists, a Plague Marine spam.

Are the 30 spawn supposed to be overpowering or something? I missed the memo that said armies that could be led around by a rhino were hard to beat...

JRBunn02 wrote:Are the 30 spawn supposed to be overpowering or something?

Yes, they are overpowering. They are spawn. 30 spawn.

Has anyone destroyed an army of 30 spawn? I didn't think so. Indestructible.

wats wrong with 30 spawn????

Didn't this used to be a place for intelligent discussion?

typhus wrote:unbeatable army list
1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn
=[b]win

Aside from my earlier post showing that no army is unbeatable, I've found another way of beating this army....
Since the OP makes no reference to points cost and simply states that his army is unbeatable, how about I take, I don't know, a 100,000 point Ork Horde? Would this beat the original army? I think that the chances are excellent that I would win!

Redbeard wrote:Didn't this used to be a place for intelligent discussion?

o erm sorry i wat i said was stupid@?

Intelligent Shmintelligent!

InyokaMadoda wrote:

typhus wrote:unbeatable army list
1 chaos lord on bike with mon
20 chaos bikers with mon
20 death guard in rhinos with demonic possesion
30 chaos spawn
=[b]win

Aside from my earlier post showing that no army is unbeatable, I've found another way of beating this army....
Since the OP makes no reference to points cost and simply states that his army is unbeatable, how about I take, I don't know, a 100,000 point Ork Horde? Would this beat the original army? I think that the chances are excellent that I would win!

curse you and your clever quotes!

you need more power fists!

il show you indestructable!

chaos lord on bike with nurgle mark,Demon weapon!

20 bikers champ fist and 2x melta mark of nurgle

20 bikers champ fist and 2xmelta mark of nurgle

20 bikers champ fist and 2x melta mark of nurgle

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

heavy support

3x oblits

3x oblits

3x oblits

60 spawn!!!


you cant beat that!

man... those must be big rhinos with 20 marines in them...

oops forgot about that now to edit!

Xav wrote:oops............................i forgot about that TO THE EDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ehh what?

Xav wrote:il show you indestructable!

chaos lord on bike with nurgle mark,Demon weapon!

20 bikers champ fist and 2x melta mark of nurgle

20 bikers champ fist and 2xmelta mark of nurgle

20 bikers champ fist and 2x melta mark of nurgle

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

20 plague marines x2 melta

heavy support

3x oblits

3x oblits

3x oblits

60 spawn!!!


you cant beat that!

You're right. An identical army would never beat that, it would lose every time. So it's beatable... Damn my logic! And while we're at it, I think my 100,000 point ork horde idea would still win... NO ARMY IS UNBEATABLE!

wat if i have a 100,001 ork horde take that!

Ah.... The penny drops!

or a 100,000 and a big shooter!

my army could beat all those lists


one lonely little space marine with a bolter...an army of one.

i have a list which would 100,000 ork boyz!

a vindicator spam, you cant hurt a vindicator with boyz!

Oh god. I've unleashed a monster. I'm going to look away and maybe he'll have gone.....

Xav wrote:i have a list which would 100,000 ork boyz!

a vindicator spam, you cant hurt a vindicator with boyz!

Sorry, but unless I have proof that someone has won against my 30 spawn list with anything, it is still indestructible.

Also 100,000 orks means it's time to buy the spray gun.

Vulkan
Land Raider Redeemer
Land Raider Redeemer
Assault Terminators x20, Stormshield/Masterwork Thunderhammer
Tac Squad x10, plasma cannon
Tac Squad x10, plasma cannon

You have nothing that can touch my raiders. For 4 turns I drive around flaming your bikes. In the event that you try to close with my troops, my raiders rumble up and disgorge 20 assault terminators that eat your gak for lunch.

And then you lose, son. And then you lose.

your list=FAIL when fighting this list

Big Mek-KFF
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
9 Kanz
3 Kannons w/ extra krew

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:your list=FAIL when fighting this list

Big Mek-KFF
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
30 Grots
9 Kanz
3 Kannons w/ extra krew

180 Grotz will destroy the 30 spawn list. I was wrong.

Fuggin NEWBS

PEDRO KANTOR 175

KHAN on a Bike 160

10 STERNGUARD x 5 Melts PF 300

10 STERNGUARD x 5 Meltas PF 300


Tact
9 Man + Attack w/ 2 Meltas PF 285

9 Man + Attack w/ 2 Meltas PF 285

9 man + attack w/ 2 Meltas PF 285
H. Support

REDEEMER 265

REDEEMER 265

groz wrote:

Xav wrote:i have a list which would 100,000 ork boyz!

a vindicator spam, you cant hurt a vindicator with boyz!

Sorry, but unless I have proof that someone has won against my 30 spawn list with anything, it is still indestructible.

Also 100,000 orks means it's time to buy the spray gun.

A list with ONE Land Raider or Monolith would beat the Spawn horde, easily. Because all you'd have to do is put it up front and the Spawn would have to move towards it, being the nearest. Assault that thing all you want. Next turn it's still there so you must still move towards it, stuck for eternity.

O ya all of you can suck it.

Eldrad.

thats it

=1500pts.

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Damnit... you got me.

I call your Marneus Calgar and raise you....

1 guardian.

i hate the way this has turned into a huge uneducated argument

typhus wrote:i hate the way this has turned into a huge uneducated argument

30 spawn would beat this statement

i hate the way this has turned into a huge uneducated argument

Dude, what did you expect when you post a thread and call it indistructable. Com'on really.

typhus wrote:i hate the way this has turned into a huge uneducated argument

Uneducated? But Eldrad is the best, he will guide and fortune that guardian and doom the sorry squad that one guy is firing at. SLAUGHTER!


I expect an apology.

This thread is being moved off-topic as it contains no actual discussion and seems to be more of a wacky attempt at humor.

Welcome to the TerrorDome boys, muahahah



This is indestructable. Fear the Fluffy.

How many points is this again? 30 spawn is 1200pts by itself. 20 bikers with IoN is 710, assuming no champions and no special guns, which would be crazy. You're at 1910pts before you get anything with any real killing power into the list.

Don't regular guys with bolters kill spawn really easily? 30 space marines is roughly 450pts, and in a single round of rapid firing they deal 13.3 wounds, killing four spawn. Two regular CSMs cost 30pts, as opposed to 40 for a spawn, and on average they and the spawn kill each other in roughly the same number of HTH phases (4), assuming the spawn starts the combat unwounded.

Mannahnin wrote:How many points is this again? 30 spawn is 1200pts by itself. 20 bikers with IoN is 710, assuming no champions and no special guns, which would be crazy. You're at 1910pts before you get anything with any real killing power into the list.

Don't regular guys with bolters kill spawn really easily? 30 space marines is roughly 450pts, and in a single round of rapid firing they deal 13.3 wounds, killing four spawn. Two regular CSMs cost 30pts, as opposed to 40 for a spawn, and on average they and the spawn kill each other in roughly the same number of HTH phases (4), assuming the spawn starts the combat unwounded.

squads are brrfed up with all upgrades btw

Not only do marines kill spawn just fine, PFs work over MoN excellently, as does plasma. Indeed, everything S4+ kills spawn pretty good thanks to no AS. And S5 limits their utility against anything AV 11+. That's why people don't use spawn- they aren't very good. Two CSM are alot more useful 99% of the time. PMs are flat out better than spawn at about a 2:1 cost ratio. Sure, you only get 2 wounds at S4 v. 3 at S5, but you also get 2 bolters, a 3+/4+ save, controlled movement, etc. As to attacks, 2 PMs get 4 (6 on charge) whereas the Spawn will average 3.5 and max 6 on a good roll 1 on a bad. Oh, and PMs sport a higher WS.

Also, the point value isn't clear. How many points is this supposed to be? The base list is over 2500 and doesn't include an special weapons, PFists, etc.

Yes, lots of termis w/SS would eviscerate this list. But that's true of many lists. :-)

i think i could beat pedro kanto 2 demons princes wings lash slaanesh mark 3 squads of 10 termies combi-melta's 6 squads of 20 plague marines melta's and 3 squads of 10 slaanesh raptors with melta's.

corwindal5 wrote:

i hate the way this has turned into a huge uneducated argument

Dude, what did you expect when you post a thread and call it indistructable. Com'on really.

yea ur actually right

This thread in On Topic, and therefore not suitable for the Off Topic forum.

Kilkrazy wrote:This thread in On Topic, and therefore not suitable for the Off Topic forum.

Indeed, I can't believe the idiot who kept talking about his genius "30 Spawn" list as indestructible earlier.

As I was saying before, I just don't understand how the GW price increases affects the FAQ for the various broken Marine codices and their relationship to the Chaos' inability to field allies in the hardcore tournament scene in which professionally painted armies purchased by those who can still afford such luxuries (after wealth distribution), in the spirit of finally establishing Rules as Interpreted (RAI) as the final word in 2nd Edition 40k.










GROTS WITH CYBORK BODY RULE

groz wrote:Oh yeah beat this

1 CSM Lord w/Mark of Khorne & Daemon Weapon
5 CSM
5 CSM
30 Spawn

1500 pts

Um, 2 Warhound Titans with dual TLDs FTW?

wtf is hapening to my thread

It has succumbed to the warp.

typhus wrote:wtf is hapening to my thread

you post a silly message and you got a pointless thread

M_Stress wrote:

typhus wrote:wtf is hapening to my thread

you post a silly message and you got a pointless thread

quoted for the true

also looking at this list i'd be happy to take the same points worth of guardian Deffenders goups of 10 + EML... they're naff but so what you'll never kill enough of them ... and for the win every second unit would take a Farseer with guide and doom and spirtstone

the marine codex is close to unbeatable,GW went to far they also might as well call it ultramines codex!

damn you all the spawn could do a lot of damage if kept in cover for most of the time

and spawn are amazing, i watched a spawn shrug of 10 lascannon shots and 15 heavy bolter shots for a landraider, sure it was in cover but still!

warsmith pyrus wrote:damn you all the spawn could do a lot of damage if kept in cover for most of the time

That's the problem with them, they have potential, but your opponant has more control over them than you do. They truly suck.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:

warsmith pyrus wrote:damn you all the spawn could do a lot of damage if kept in cover for most of the time

That's the problem with them, they have potential, but your opponant has more control over them than you do. They truly suck.

i cant belive you say that and collect nurgle!!!

typhus wrote:

Nurgleboy77 wrote:

warsmith pyrus wrote:damn you all the spawn could do a lot of damage if kept in cover for most of the time

That's the problem with them, they have potential, but your opponant has more control over them than you do. They truly suck.

i cant belive you say that and collect nurgle!!!

How do Spawn=Nurgle?

i dont know, but they do look pretty nurgley, but TBH nurge bikers aint even deathguard, so i dont know what typhus is on about.

I like Nurgle (mostly Fantasy now) and have sold off my Nurgle army (some guy in Japan now has a sweet Nurgle army with wo Golden Demon winners in it). All I have left are a Forgeworld Dread, my converted Oblits, and some FW Rhino doors. Someday I will come back and play DG, they're just too popular now for my tastes.

That being said, I still wouldn't use Spawn at ALL no matter what I played. I can deal with the high pts cost, I can deal with the lack of ANY save, I can even deal with the uncontrolability, just not all freakin three!

C'mon, are they really as good as Meganobz????

yes..........

Tri wrote:

M_Stress wrote:

typhus wrote:wtf is hapening to my thread

you post a silly message and you got a pointless thread

quoted for the true

also looking at this list i'd be happy to take the same points worth of guardian Deffenders goups of 10 + EML... they're naff but so what you'll never kill enough of them ... and for the win every second unit would take a Farseer with guide and doom and spirtstone

Sir I must protest! You can not spam guardians, that´s totaly antifluff, the eldar have been dying since RT spam something else. Eldar are a race with status, we do not bred like rab.. IG

M.

30 Chaos Spawn?

ARE YOU MAD?!

Miguelsan wrote:
Sir I must protest! You can not spam guardians, that´s totaly antifluff, the eldar have been dying since RT spam something else. Eldar are a race with status, we do not bred like rab.. IG

M.

Funny, Eldar don't seem to breed at all. To busy with their homo-erotic imagery I suppose.

i hate this thread

Typeline wrote:

Miguelsan wrote:
Sir I must protest! You can not spam guardians, that´s totaly antifluff, the eldar have been dying since RT spam something else. Eldar are a race with status, we do not bred like rab.. IG

Funny, Eldar don't seem to breed at all. To busy with their homo-erotic imagery I suppose.

I dunno.

I can't even imagine what the the Path of the Breeder Parent would be like.

But I'm thinking it'd be like compressing Ron Jeremy's entire career into a single year of continuous activity...

Dreadwinter wrote:30 Chaos Spawn?

ARE YOU MAD?!

I have 14 so far. Soon the unstoppable army will be complete, and I will purchase Games Workshop with my massive tournament winnings.

when you're +500 years old it must get dull ... "not to night hunny i don't feel like it ... maybe next year?"

Groz are you gonna use 30 spawn? if you are put up a battle report!

lol cool idea i might just do that

Xav wrote:Groz are you gonna use 30 spawn? if you are put up a battle report!

typhus wrote:lol cool idea i might just do that

I bet you'll win. Your opponent will think " I hear spawn suck on the internet, 30 is a whole lot of suck". Then 30 spawn charge him to death while your other stuff is chilling getting shot at with cover saves.

Xav wrote:Groz are you gonna use 30 spawn? if you are put up a battle report!

I will once I scrounge up the $ for the remaining 16. I'd go so far as to say that raising money to buy 16 Chaos Spawn is a good and just cause. I may start a non-profit.

groz wrote:

Xav wrote:Groz are you gonna use 30 spawn? if you are put up a battle report!

I will once I scrounge up the $ for the remaining 16. I'd go so far as to say that raising money to buy 16 Chaos Spawn is a good and just cause. I may start a non-profit.

Just proxy man. Do you really want to pay that much to play one recreational battle that you are probably going to lose?

You could send the money to me.

You have much to learn, young padawan.

A Witch Hunters list including 3 Exorcists w/ HK Missiles, 6 Rhinos w/ HK Missiles, 3 Land Raiders w/ HK Missiles, and 6 Immolators w/ HK Missiles (Elites and Fast Attack) would run a massacre on anything. Though it's a bit expensive, both points-wise and...well...money-wise.

Screw 30 Spawn, try saving up your money for THAT.

Mekniakal wrote:

groz wrote:

Xav wrote:Groz are you gonna use 30 spawn? if you are put up a battle report!

I will once I scrounge up the $ for the remaining 16. I'd go so far as to say that raising money to buy 16 Chaos Spawn is a good and just cause. I may start a non-profit.

Just proxy man. Do you really want to pay that much to play one recreational battle that you are probably going to lose?

You could send the money to me.

what do you mean one game

Guard vs Ahriman= 30 SPAWN= no guardsman!+leman russ= no spawn= ahriman bolt of change= No russ!= 30 spawn wins!

damn you and your semi-logistical maths

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