Is there a modle that you just hate? Mine is the Ork truck, way too many parts that dont fit and bad directions. Whats yours?

Plastic dark eldar warriors. Those spines that you're supposed to put on them are maddening.

Imperial Guard heavy weapon team.
Does GW really expect me to waste 80% of a box?

why not make HW sets seperated into thier own types? Like a fire support team to make a HB or AC, anti tank for a missile launcher or Lascannon, then a mortar team.

That allows each kit to be made out of a single sprue, in a smaller box, and de-emphisizes converting.
meaning they can cost $8 usd, gives capital feedback on what players actually want, and makes GW more money.

Chaos Furies. The wings keep falling off!

Illeix wrote:Imperial Guard heavy weapon team.
Does GW really expect me to waste 80% of a box?

why not make HW sets seperated into thier own types? Like a fire support team to make a HB or AC, anti tank for a missile launcher or Lascannon, then a mortar team.

That allows each kit to be made out of a single sprue, in a smaller box, and de-emphisizes converting.
meaning they can cost $8 usd, gives capital feedback on what players actually want, and makes GW more money.

um you could just use all the hev weapon parts with a squad box. Make sand bag revetments to hold up the ones that don't have the tripod, and having the rocket standing, and bipod the mortar.

I love the heavy weapon box. I make a bipod heavy bolter and a tripod autocannon, and a trooper holding a rocket launcher.
I also love the trukk box. There are so many options, it's a million times better than the puny old trukk.
I hated the old landspeeder but that (or so I've heard) got fixed.
I dislike the tau fire warrior models, they never seem to fit quite right and they aren't a great looking model in general.

Why is this in the fluff section?

Yes, I have converted them. But that was more for fun. Why should I buy something I wont use.

Seperating them means that you're buying only the ones you want, meaning you can save money because you aren't buying useless bits, and GW will end up only making the ones that people use, or fix those with bad rules. Meaning that you don't spend as much buying them, and GW spends less making them.
It could work with some polish.

and why would you need that many mortars and MLs anyway?

Orkeosaurus wrote:Why is this in the fluff section?

I was wondering the same thing
However,since it is here I can honestly say the only model I have ever truly hated assembling was the old Land Raider Crusader I put together for a buddy of mine,all those bolters (shudder)

Two worst GW models?

1. Metal Hybrid Devastators. The Lascannon was ok, but that Heavy Bolter... Jesus H. Christ on a pogostick. That thing does not fit. Period. End of story. End of line. It. Does. Not. Go. Together.
2. Forge World original completely resin Stormblade. Let me sum up my feelings on that kit with the following line:

What piece of eating kill the who designed it and then throw it against a wall God-damned with a goat!

It went together in the end... and fell apart once. I despise that kit.

Illeix wrote:Imperial Guard heavy weapon team.
Does GW really expect me to waste 80% of a box?

You can get 3 sometimes even 4 heavy weapons out of a single box if you're a little creative.

BYE

I'd also like to contest the idea that there are such things as 'useless' bits.

I'm an Ork player. It's all good.

Also, I don't know how you can possibly say the Trukk is a bad model when you compare it with the old one!

Two feeder tendril heads per box.

Anti-Mag wins.

BYE

Well thousand son are very annoying to put together, the worst thing is that its a mixture of plastic and metal.

The old metal SM veterans.

They were irritating as to put together without the limbs falling off.

The separate legs on Eldar Guardians. Why?!

Vandez is correct, Ork Trukk does indeed rock in comparrison to the last model. It has a cool skull gearstick, which nobody will ever see, but these small details appeal to me.

Agree with you on the veterans, they looks stupid too.

I was wondering the same thing
However,since it is here I can honestly say the only model I have ever truly hated assembling was the old Land Raider Crusader I put together for a buddy of mine,all those bolters (shudder)

Land speeders,land raider (great model,severe pain in the
posterior to put together)Metal devastator units(I had to
use pliers to fix them),The original Vindicator (I still
have nightmares about it)Also I've found that numerous
plastic units are not as variable as is made out, Usually
arm A will only work with body A.

Thunderfire Cannon - Its so badly moulded that the tracks don't fit on and the two halves of the barrel don't match up. Trying to put mine together is like doing a conversion project!

Got to say I love the new ork trukk model though, no two need look the same.

The damned top heavy zoanthrope.it's such a pain to glue it together

fire prisms ... since i must make my own dam crystal ... since GW's does not and never have fitted

You don't know aggravation till you try to put the body spikes on the Hireophant BioTitan. some of those spikes are tiny like the size of one of those superfine sharpie points, not to mention there round and super smooth so there almost impossible to grab with tweezers.
Secondly the Red Terror. need i say more

H.B.M.C. wrote:Anti-Mag wins.

BYE

H.B.M.C joins the list of people with a half baked unit. You are not alone. Thanks GW...

It's always going to be difficult to get everything on a sprue, but from what we've heard about the Ork Nobz box set, it sounds like GW is improving.

In the meantime, yes most Tyranids are very badly served by their upgrade sprues. Don't get me started on Warriors with only one pair of rending claws and the singular extended carapace segment. It's like GW wants Tyranid Warriors to get shot up by bolter fire.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Why is this in the fluff section?

Because I didnt know where else to put it. Sorry, somone tell me how and where to move it.

Flashman wrote:The separate legs on Eldar Guardians. Why?!

Vandez is correct, Ork Trukk does indeed rock in comparrison to the last model. It has a cool skull gearstick, which nobody will ever see, but these small details appeal to me.

Yah, but none of the pecics FIT! The gun dosent fit on that little mount! And I am currently screaming at the wrecking ball for bing so hard to attach! (I still dont have them on yet, and I didnt mount the gun!)

Flashman wrote:Don't get me started on Warriors with only one pair of rending claws and the singular extended carapace segment. It's like GW wants Tyranid Warriors to get shot up by bolter fire.

Don't worry about it. After two editions in the dark, Tyranid Warriors are almost assured a pendulum swing in their favour come the next edition of their Codex. Might even get a re-cut sprue!

BYE

SAG Mek. He can't hold on to his gun to save his life!

hmmm.... thats a tough one... there have been so many pants models of late.

The new bloodletters. They look skinny & weak compared to the last ones

The new Daemonettes. The old ones looked like they could actually be seductive but deadly half daemon/ half women.... but now we're back to crazy crab monsters

The Soul Grinder. too much like the defiler, which I dont like anyway.

Every Dark eldar model except their skimmer-tanks & the talos.... come on GW, the dark eldar are in *serious* need of an update. Theyve been using the same models since the advent of 3rd ed. Id buy 'em if you released decent models.

The Thunderfire Cannon - it just looks stupid. It dosent look like it could actually work.

Kaptin Badrukk - brilliant idea, but Im not sold on the model. hes too... blocky.

The new Lictor & Hive Tyrant. Does anyone else feel these models are a step backwards? I thought the old hive tyrant had a really nice queen alien vibe going on, but sadly, not anymore. & the new lictor looks really unbalanced.

The new tyrant guard. I dont think I need to explain this one.

etc, etc, etc.... I could go on.

The guns on the Necron Immortals, the hands on the Flayed Ones, and the Claws on the Tomb Spider. It's like GW wasn't too heavily worried aboutthese parts being able to stay in one piece. If a person just looks at them hard they fall apart since there's really not even big enough an area to do a decent pin job.

Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

do you think? I actually quite liked his golden daemon entry that one year, it was a nurgle daemon prince, the one the new nurgle daemon prince model is a rip off of. Im not sure if it was actually him that sculpted that new model, now I think of it.

*Most* hated?

That's a toughie.

Looking at current stuff, in terms of things they still sell and you'd actually find on the tabletop, there's a lot of "meh".

But something I truly despise?


IG Leman Russ!


That tank looks like crap and hasn't aged well at all. But IG players need the firepower, and there is no replacement on the horizon, despite the other old stuff like Rhino / Land Raider getting properly redone.

Eh, I like the Leman Russ model just fine. Venerable and clunky, just like the tank itself.

The all-metal Venerable Dreadnought and Killa Kan models, now, I truly believe two different people sculpted half of each model. They do not go together *at all*. I had a buddy trying to assemble a Kan army, and he would call and cuss out the GW helpline guy for whatever QA practice let such a horrible model get put into final production.

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. Metal Hybrid Devastators. The Lascannon was ok, but that Heavy Bolter... Jesus H. Christ on a pogostick. That thing does not fit. Period. End of story. End of line. It. Does. Not. Go. Together.

What's the "H" stand for, anyway?

And why's he on a pogo stick? He could get hurt.

Leman Russ and Chimera tanks are purely the reason I refuse to start a guard army, even though they are what I would like to do next.

I hate the new raptor jump packs as well and doubt I will buy any till they change.

I'm not to fond of the whole Eldar line either.

Nagash.

Its been a long time since I assembled any GW stuff, but I do remember hating the Land Speeders.

Damn you Ravenwing. Damn you straight to hell.

Saldiven wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. Metal Hybrid Devastators. The Lascannon was ok, but that Heavy Bolter... Jesus H. Christ on a pogostick. That thing does not fit. Period. End of story. End of line. It. Does. Not. Go. Together.

What's the "H" stand for, anyway?

And why's he on a pogo stick? He could get hurt.

the H stands for Hebrew and why not on a pogo stick? I give this as my proof. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/30/why-do-folks-say-jesus-h-christ

Saldiven wrote:What's the "H" stand for, anyway?

And why's he on a pogo stick? He could get hurt.

Hamilton. And you're worried about him getting hurt on a pogo stick? I'd be more worried about the two pieces of wood he gets put up on at the end of the movie. That stuff'll kill him.

My most hated model is the old Crimson Fist Captain Cortez model. Crimson Fist fans wait for ages to get a character model and that's the piece of crap we got? Come on!

Tyranid zoanthrope. Whoever had the brilliant idea of putting 90% of the weight of a large all metal model 4 inches off the ground needs to be given ten million dollars.

That ten million dollars then needs to be taken away from him in a brutal and heart wrenching divorce leaving him with nothing.

@Shuma: How is the Zoanthrope possibly any worse-balanced than a Flying Hive Tyrant?

You're talking about an all-metal model sitting atop a notoriously-fragile GW flying stand, further unbalanced by giant FW resin wings unfurled at the very top!

The Chaos Dreadnought.

I mean, just look at it. That thing has been sucking hard for like 8 years now.

The hive tyrant has a much larger base that is easier to weight. It also has its center of gravity spread more evenly across a much wider surface since the model itsef isn't just a pole.

The zoanthrop is basicaly a thin metal rod with a weight at the top. It's also far, far, FAR is easier to convert the tyrant to worry less about tipping over. The zoanthope is basically unconvertable.

Nagash. Penitant Engine. Chaos Dread.

And sorry I have to lump it in here, the new Snikrot. Blegh.

Has no one here built an Ogre Kingdoms Gnoblar Scaplauncher?

Seriously, you want bad? just try it out. My friend refused to build his, so I did it.

The model



Whats completely wrong with it, as shown in this diagram as horribly designed as he model itself



This chain. there's one on either side. 2 out of three connection points are on the underside of the model, impossible to pin effectively
platforms for the gnoblars to stand on. thin, impossible to pin effetively, connection points on only the inner most points causing it to be very unstable
the 9 or so gnoblars that they expect you to fit onto all the unstable areas...enough said
rear platform. simply does. not. fit.
these "fences" of sorts on the outer edges of the already unstable platforms. fell off instantly, never bothered to glue them back on
the firing mechanism. 4 metal pieces, nothing fits, angles have to be perfect for the front rope connection


I could keep going....

Necron Pariahs, if they had sharp models I'd buy 8 (even with their current 36pt suckatude)
Love the fluffy hate the sculpt

Chaos bloodletters like the old ones better

Tizz wrote:Has no one here built an Ogre Kingdoms Gnoblar Scaplauncher?

Seriously, you want bad? just try it out. My friend refused to build his, so I did it.

Nope.

OTOH, I didn't even bother starting to assemble the metal bitz on my LR Crusader before I sold it.

But at least you get a perfectly usable Rhinox model out of it....

crap. double-post.

IG Hellhound was a beast, but I have to give it to the Obliterators as being the biggest pains in the ass that I've ever built. I glued my fingers together with more success than I got those little weapon accessories to fit onto those stupid hand-holes.

Ork Dread naught....

OR

the new transexual tau deamonettes

hmm most hated model. if your going for looks the new Vampires, they just look wierd and wrong

to build......defilers, i thought the landspeeder was bad but that is the only GW model i have ever had to get the instruction book out to work out where half of the extra crap went i was not impressed with it at all

also some current peevs in terms of gaming are the new Stormboys, tag on 5 pence to every box just to get the bloody things to stand up straight when your playing with em

Relapse wrote: The guns on the Necron Immortals, the hands on the Flayed Ones, and the Claws on the Tomb Spider.

I found these parts to be quite easy once a person gives in an accepts the POWER OF GREENSTUFF in their lives.

BYE

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

Yet your avatar is one of his models....

Happygrunt wrote:Is there a modle that you just hate?

Oh yea (get a cup of coffee)!

Forgeworld Everything

Anything made by forgeworld, the concepts are very cool, but the product is very low quality. For the record I have built 2 Thunderhawk Gunships, a Warhound, 3 Valkyries, a Vulture, a Baneblade, the Siege Mortar Kit, the Armored Basilisk, all the Tau Suits and a whole host of the infantry additions (most of these were commissions). I am a modeler in the classic sense and have built a wide variety of other manufacturers kits including: poly caps, rubber, resin, metal cast, composite, vinyl, brass etch, and plastic. Without a doubt, Forgeworld has the worst quality control of any manufacturer I have ever ordered a kit from. Their designs are poorly engineered and notorious for flat or strait pieces being anything but and their common additions are inconsistent, like rhino doors fitting in poorly or being cast in different widths, some so thin light shows through them. Furthermore the images on their website are very misleading for scale and quality, they show cleaned asembled and primered pieces for multipart kits, especially on the more expensive kits whitch are also usually significantly smaller than expected. As they demand a premium price and have a very lengthy and expensive shipping process, they ought to produce a better product. Forgeworld kits seldom come with any options, and a single broken or warped piece is going to mean an awful lot of reconstructive work for an advanced modeler or ruin the kit for a junior one.

Ork Truck

This kit is so ramshackle it is not a very convincing combat vehicle. I expected something more like a half track and less like the beverly hill billies. I suspect some will like it for this however.

Dark Eldar everything

Particularly the Talos, which is so poorly matched that assembling it with giant flush gued metal pieces is frustrating. But generally the whole line is outdated, fiddly, and fairly silly looking.

Leg Poses

Why is almost every model in the 40k univers standing with 2 feet firmly planted, particularly among the races that are fleet of foot. How hard would it be to make legs that are stepping, running, leaping, taking off, landing, crouched, at attention, kneeling or something besides the standard A frame pose, TAC Marines, Avengers, Guardians, Sisters of Battle, Orks are all really awful examples of this poor posing. At least there are now some kneeling marine legs, and some IG legs but getting them is so hard, they ought to be options on the standard sprues. For the love of the game why not make a few more prone models too? There has been what one? In the steel Legion? Really?

Necron Lords

They have a cape? That's it huh?.. and no modeled wargear options? This is a kit that just needs everything.

Penitent engine

This kit is an abomination of metal, it is hard to build, lines up poorly, expensive and as an added bonus, not very good in the game either...

Sternguard

Need to have all the options for combi weapons and the heavy flamer, possibly also a bit for shoulder pads or helmets. Unfortunately the options are not all there.

Roughriders

Plastic horses from 1980? Enough said, completely embarasing in all their incarnations.

Obliterators

Like Sternguard another incredible unit with an awful model, expensive, clunky, and hard to build, these seem like they were a nice green that was puttied up with the fleshy growths and sawed in half in an arc for some reason to get cast? Why? The weapons they morph should match the ones they can shoot in the game.

Demon Princes

This concept has been around in WHFB and WH40K for a long time, it deserves to have a multipart platic or metal kit with options, but instead there is the giant marine requiring wing conversions? How long are they going to write rules for great winged demon princes without having a model. Also in this category, where are any of the minis for the characters out of the demon codex? Their absence makes me think that whole dex was a mistaken release with no planning, aren't there 7 characters in it and all that was made was the nurgle baby on a palanquin, the mask and the skulltaker, where are the big guys? The lash prince is everywhere, a slanesh model with a whip would be nice, please?

Great Unclean One

What is so fearsome about being so fat you can't move, adequately gross but not fierce looking. How about a grim reaper plague style one? They have wings half the time anyway...

Augustus wrote:How long are they going to write rules for great winged demon princes without having a model.

A few more months. There's a plastic Daemon Prince in the Daemon 2nd Wave. I'm thinking May/June, maybe as early as Feb (Jan is Orks, March is Apoc, April is Guard).

BYE

Wow thats cool, I hadn't heard, best news I had all day!

I hope my post wasn't over the top, (but I had to stop myself from continuing) there are a lot of things I love but a load of junk too!

I figured you'd be right there with the roughriders HBMC!

OK One more:

TANKS with no boagies

Look, tanks have to have running wheels and boagies of some kind and a drive wheel (unless they fly somehow or have wheels) Why oh why do all GW tanks seem to have armor that goes right up to the track?

That would hit everything and high center on the first concrete curb it hit, or get stuck in the mud.... I really hate that, only the rhino is plausible the rest of the tanks looks absolutely silly.

The CSM metal Demon Prince. It was the first HQ I put together. All glue. Fell apart so many times. Then I just GSed it when I found out wtf that was. The next DP I did I pinned in a few spots and did some nice GS work.

The reason I hate the kit so much isn't because of my past experience though. I just hate it because I just shelled out 35$ for this kit. One static pose, no wings, that tiny terminator base for such a big model. But I have to use that base because it came with it! When the plastic DP kit comes out I'll be a happy camper and able to run DPs again.

I want proper Tallarn Rough Riders, riding good new horses and not ancient plastic horses or the penis-monsters that FW make.

BYE

i hate all the older light grey plastics they all seem to be really soft and break easily.

yes there is actually a big difference as im gluing my marauder right now, and it has some dark plastic and some light plastic, big difference in quality.

Relapse wrote: The guns on the Necron Immortals, the hands on the Flayed Ones, and the Claws on the Tomb Spider. It's like GW wasn't too heavily worried aboutthese parts being able to stay in one piece. If a person just looks at them hard they fall apart since there's really not even big enough an area to do a decent pin job.

None of these bits have ever given me trouble. All have had more than adequate area for pinning (but I've pinned swordblades back onto hilts and added blades to the haft of a staff (metal) - both of these kind of joins have 1 sq mm or less area, and the joins are quite sturdy (0.5mm bit+paper clip).

My most hated, in terms of difficulty to get together is the plastic war-walker. It takes more effort for it to stay together than the metal one took. The weapon mounts have to be pinned to keep them on the model (uless you just assemble for display and never play with them). The spines need pinning in place to prevent them snapping off. The legs need to be pinned into the feet. Then you have to weight the base down to stop it going "fly, be free!" whenever anyone bumps the table.

I hated building Rogue Trader metal land speeders or dreadnoughts.

I hated looking at any of the 2nd round of epic titans(circa 1997?). Good lord they were awful.

Yeah i'll second the tank comment. They would not be able to drive in the real world. The only tanks that could are the Rhino and the Baneblade.

Augustus wrote:TANKS with no boagies

Look, tanks have to have running wheels and boagies of some kind and a drive wheel (unless they fly somehow or have wheels) Why oh why do all GW tanks seem to have armor that goes right up to the track?

That would hit everything and high center on the first concrete curb it hit, or get stuck in the mud.... I really hate that,

only the rhino is plausible the rest of the tanks looks absolutely silly.

Bogies? We don't need no stinkin' bogies!

Actually, the real problem is a lack of suspension, but then, that's British tank design for you...

For drive wheel, one can imagine an internal sprocket drive, so that's not so horrible of mess.

But I am irked by too little ground clearance on many vehicles. Land Raider in particular has far too little ground clearance, and would bog or high center much too easily.

I'm not much of a fan of the Rhino. How does the track work with the side doors? I think it'd jam internally. And with single wheels, how does it stabilize the track so it doesn't throw???

Touche JohnHwangDD

Zip Napalm wrote:I hated building Rogue Trader metal land speeders or dreadnoughts.

I hated looking at any of the 2nd round of epic titans(circa 1997?). Good lord they were awful.

Oh wow, I wasn't even thinking of those, the really old all metal speeders, eesh, those were rough!

Agreed too, the beetle back plastic Titans will forever be the best design!

I am getting to hate the 2-piece heads of a Hormagaunt. Seriously, why are they separate?

Why is a termagaunt with a devourer 8 pieces (including base) at all? It doesn't need to be 8 pieces and you don't get any level of possibility for all that work.

Thanks Shummy. Thanks a lot.

You just reminded me I have two boxes of Gaunts still to build. That's 32 Gaunts. That's 64 separate head pieces.

I hate you so much now...




BYE

Plastic non-cc Scouts.

I agree with lots of these that I couldn't be bothered repeating, but the Tallarn Roughrider with the chainsword is just silly. He looks like he just got lanced in the stomach.

The plastic Common Goblins are a pain to rank up with shields.

I've put together one drop pod to date. I never, ever want to do it again.

djones520 wrote:Plastic non-cc Scouts.

How 'bout plastic scouts in general?

I just got 7 boxes of the suckers (upcoming Crusading Marine army - I needs me some Neophytes)) and I hate them. I managed to get 5 of the old metal BP/CCW ones and they're great models. These things have their - to misquote Shummy - HUGE MANFACES and they're just not good models. The Sniper ones are even worse (converting two of them to Bolter scouts was harder than it should be). Really limited in what you can do with them, and their faces are God-awful.

BYE

ShumaGorath wrote:Why is a termagaunt with a devourer 8 pieces (including base) at all? It doesn't need to be 8 pieces and you don't get any level of possibility for all that work.

Not much worse than an Eldar Guardian...

The previous metal Hydra....

Grrrr...I have two of them. Neither has it's fully compliment of heads attached at any given time.

New ones is a massive improvement all round!

I used to dread multipart metal models. Then I actually tried them. After I'd pinned the arm of a Cadwë Undertaker (1.5mm wide, 1mm pin) and assembled the Mariner and Nomad Warjacks, I'm much more mellow about the whole thing.

The key for me is epoxying every single joint that has to bear any sort of load whatsoever. For a warjack this means every single joint, as those minis are heavy. It increases assembly time (not counting all the drilling) from 10 minutes to several days, but I think it's worth it to preserve the minis. I see no reason why the Scraplauncher would be any different in this regard.

Minis I hate include plastic Cadians (after putting together 30 of them, you learn to hate just about anything, of course), the Leman Russ, the Chimera and the old metal Thudd Gun. On the Fantasy side of things, the Empire State Troops are hideously sculpted, rank up like crap and are tedious to paint thanks to being laden up with 15lbs of bones, scrolls and superflous daggers apiece.

My Statetroops rank up perfectly??? Is easy enough. Just have to angle the arms right and there is no problem.

somecallmeJack wrote:

The new Lictor & Hive Tyrant. Does anyone else feel these models are a step backwards? I thought the old hive tyrant had a really nice queen alien vibe going on, but sadly, not anymore. & the new lictor looks really unbalanced.

The new tyrant guard. I dont think I need to explain this one.

etc, etc, etc.... I could go on.

Actually, the only reason I started a Tyranid's army was due to the new models. The olds just look completely childish and aren't very intimidating to look at. The old tyrant guard look like they have fly swatters for hands, ugly. I don't know, just my personal opinion, but the new models do the Tyranids justice.

As for which models are just down right annoying to put together, the Synapse creature of doom, ie. the Zoanthrope, was just a hassel so was the other metal creatures, Red Terror and the Ravaner. For some reason the metal parts just did not want to stay together. Annoying as heck when I have to watch a full 30 min episode on tv just to get one peice to finally dry when barely using any glue. oh well.

Happygrunt wrote:Is there a modle that you just hate? Mine is the Ork truck, way too many parts that dont fit and bad directions. Whats yours?

My pick is a tie between the old Nagash model, and the Dark Eldar Grotesques.

Absolutely SUCK!!!

Fexor wrote:

somecallmeJack wrote:

The new Daemonettes. The old ones looked like they could actually be seductive but deadly half daemon/ half women.... but now we're back to crazy crab monsters

The new Lictor & Hive Tyrant. Does anyone else feel these models are a step backwards? I thought the old hive tyrant had a really nice queen alien vibe going on, but sadly, not anymore. & the new lictor looks really unbalanced.

The new tyrant guard. I dont think I need to explain this one.

etc, etc, etc.... I could go on.

Actually, the only reason I started a Tyranid's army was due to the new models. The olds just look completely childish and aren't very intimidating to look at. The old tyrant guard look like they have fly swatters for hands, ugly. I don't know, just my personal opinion, but the new models do the Tyranids justice.

I agree with Fexor about the Daemonettes and Hive Tyrant. In fact I'm refusing to buy new Daemonettes, that is until GW release the new Seekers and I'm forced to buy some to bolster the ones I already have (which were fantastic models). And the Hive Tyrant, it looks far too much like the crap (IMO) original version of the Hive Tyrant, back when Tyranids still held guns as opposed to having them melded to their bodies. Come on, that bonesword (LOL at the innuendo, btw) looks ridiculous.

The new Tyrant Guard, however, are stunning, far better than the flyswatter version we used to have. *shudders* The new ones look like they might actually take some enemy fire and be able to shrug it off, which is handy considering their purpose...

Worst models ever have to be the Dark Eldar warriors. Adding spikes to an existing model does not necessarliy make it look evil! I'm looking at you too, CSM...

New Hive Tyrant is ace. It's one of the biggest and most intimidating models in the GW Tyranid line.

There's a reason Jes went and undid all the crap that happened with 'Nids in 3rd Ed...

BYE

I'm with HBMC here. The current Hive Tyrant is a lovely model!

By the way, I can't help but wonder what HBMC actually stands for. I suspect it's Heavy Biscuit Manufacturing Corp, but I can't be sure.

And give the Dark Eldar a break. The models are 12 years old now, and don't they look it! Though the Grotesques were arse even when brand new.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Thanks Shummy. Thanks a lot.

You just reminded me I have two boxes of Gaunts still to build. That's 32 Gaunts. That's 64 separate head pieces.

I hate you so much now...

I'll take them off your hands...

I hate the ork buggies and wartrakks. Also not a fan of most of the 40mm metal fantasy "big guys" like chaos ogres and minotaurs.
Metal mordor troll, metal cave troll are up there too.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:My Statetroops rank up perfectly??? Is easy enough. Just have to angle the arms right and there is no problem.

I guess it varies with the weapons and poses. I can't get the spearmen's arms high enough to clear the preceding line completely, so the spears end up passing models right by their ears. The alternative would be to angle the models on the base, but I don't want a unit that's looking 45 degrees away from their supposed facing. i must say, I prefer the old onepose plastic spearmen, they look perfectly fine as a unit and don't require nearly as much prep.

True, but I do like the current State Troops. I like the battered look they wear, rather than almost parade uniforms.

But then each to his own. I don't think GW have put out a truly bad model in quite some time, so something is improving!

im also getting agitated from the chaos warrior , chaos hound now.

chaoswarrior- if i close the gap near the torso section, there is a gap near the shoulder fur part, and vice versa.

chaos hound-yes i know they are numbered so i know i didnt get it wrong -_- but there is like a 1 mm gap between the halves

The plastic scouts are nice... for beefier looking legs for my guardsmen.

Also, for the heavy weapon teams, if you're handy with a dremel you can magnet together a squad which uses the heavy bolter, autocannon and lascannon with fairly minimal fuss and folly.

Put together the gunner, loader and guns. Glue the tripod to the base. Do not glue on the flashguard bit. Dremel into knee or heel of gunner and loader. Place magent in. Place magnet into the bottom of the box of ammo for the heavy bolter.

To set up heavy bolter: Plunk heavy bolter into tripod. use magnet on bottom of the base (do not glue these magnets on) to connect the gunner, loader and ammo box.

For the other weapons: do the same things.

It's fairly easy.

On topic: Rough Riders are the suck, as is the model for the missionary (had to greenstuff the chainsword arm on).

Yea, IG need some love I say! Like the Orks got!

I prefer the WFB5-WFB6 Empire State Troops. They look like proper Landsknecht.

sonofruss wrote:

Illeix wrote:Imperial Guard heavy weapon team.
Does GW really expect me to waste 80% of a box?

why not make HW sets seperated into thier own types? Like a fire support team to make a HB or AC, anti tank for a missile launcher or Lascannon, then a mortar team.

That allows each kit to be made out of a single sprue, in a smaller box, and de-emphisizes converting.
meaning they can cost $8 usd, gives capital feedback on what players actually want, and makes GW more money.

um you could just use all the hev weapon parts with a squad box. Make sand bag revetments to hold up the ones that don't have the tripod, and having the rocket standing, and bipod the mortar.

Better yet, with the use of some magnets you could make the heavy weapon swappable allowing you to switch weapons at will.

This year's games day miniature, and in fact all sm.
8 feet tall my arse!
GW, I hate you, why do I buy your stuff!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG

6th edition plastic Bretonnian Men At arms. I was all set to buy a new army with the release of plastic men at arms, archers etc... only to be inflicted with these abmoninations. Not only are they tiny, with faces which would make an inbred with no dental care look like a super model, but to make matters worse, they have those horrible elbow connecting arms, and poorly sculpted shields as well. Further adding insult to injury, there are no spears in the box, despite this being a unit option.

What was wrong with the lovely fantasy HYW look they had before?

Not so fond of the new Empire troops either, but at least I have the old ones to use (5+ regiments? hmm, maybe more).

JohnHwangDD wrote:I prefer the WFB5-WFB6 Empire State Troops. They look like proper Landsknecht.

I wish I could find some of the old "Soldiers of the Empire" boxes, myself. They come with nicer shields than the current box, the detail bitz are optional, and the poses are more potentially versatile than the essentially-onepose ones in the new box.

What really irks me about FB Empire is that their line infantry is anachronistic enough that every historical minis range that I've found looks off next to them. Bretonnians don't suffer from this nearly as much. Empire cavalry is pretty close to crusade-era knights in many respects, but their state troops are in renaissance dress wielding medieval-era short 6-foot spears instead of the 10-12 foot pikes that their closest historical equivalents had.

@Aga2: And that is why I will *never* unload my Empire Soldiers boxes. Esp with their nice metal Command and Crossbow / Handgunner bitz.

But yeah, I really hate the Empire Spearmen, especially with Shields. Halberdiers are the only way to go with them.

That said, they do convert beautifully into proper-looking Dogs of War Pikemen...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I prefer the WFB5-WFB6 Empire State Troops. They look like proper Landsknecht.

I wish I could find some of the old "Soldiers of the Empire" boxes, myself. They come with nicer shields than the current box, the detail bitz are optional, and the poses are more potentially versatile than the essentially-onepose ones in the new box.

What really irks me about FB Empire is that their line infantry is anachronistic enough that every historical minis range that I've found looks off next to them. Bretonnians don't suffer from this nearly as much. Empire cavalry is pretty close to crusade-era knights in many respects, but their state troops are in renaissance dress wielding medieval-era short 6-foot spears instead of the 10-12 foot pikes that their closest historical equivalents had.

hmm? the empire knights are pretty closely matched with early renaissance knights (Gendarmes), not crusading knights. The only difference is that they carry a shield, which had already been abandoned for battlefield use in that period.

Sorry, my history knowledge failed me pretty badly there. I've looked at so many historical ranges that they all just blur together. You're quite right, and if I were to go for third-party alternative models, the Renaissance would be my period of choice. These figures for example are quite close to the Empire look, though the pikemens' weapons would need shortening.

Blood Thirster, simply too overpowered.
But it still dies.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Sorry, my history knowledge failed me pretty badly there. I've looked at so many historical ranges that they all just blur together. You're quite right, and if I were to go for third-party alternative models, the Renaissance would be my period of choice. These figures for example are quite close to the Empire look, though the pikemens' weapons would need shortening.

Happily those were also sculpted by the Perry brothers, so they match perfectly with the 5th edition plastic figures (slightly less well with the 6th edition starter plastics, which are larger). The pikes are even a better story, since they come empty handed, easy enough to place your own spears in their arms if you perfer that to pikes.

Happygrunt wrote:

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

If I have to glue his blocky orks together, paint them, and look at them for their life in my army then I think that qualifies as assembling

I am not talking about his personal GD entries. He is a brilliant painter. I am talking about his horrible style with the Orks as compared to Nelson and other greats of the past. Perbet's Orks look like they are squares on top of squares glued to more squares.

Kej wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

If I have to glue his blocky orks together, paint them, and look at them for their life in my army then I think that qualifies as assembling

I am not talking about his personal GD entries. He is a brilliant painter. I am talking about his horrible style with the Orks as compared to Nelson and other greats of the past. Perbet's Orks look like they are squares on top of squares glued to more squares.

Sorry, thought you meant the models he enters into contests.

I don't like the new fantasy mounted Chaos lord's bottom. He floats a few millimetres above the saddle, so he won't stick in place.

- The Ogryn Models. Bleh. Please make them consistent with the much better Ogre Kingdoms models. I mean, I know you can convert them, but why even bother having those fugly pieces of crap ruin an otherwise nice-looking army?

- Ratling Squads. Haven't been updated since 2nd. Enough Said.

- Rough Riders. I absolutely hate the idea of an army that has access to tanks using horse-mounted infantry with spears. Especially when they look like followers of Atilla the Hun.

- Old Warriors of Chaos. You know, the ones that look fairly similar to a regular CSM model. Something about the 6th Ed. Warriors just throws me off. I much prefer the standing ones with the capes.

- Great Unclean One. I've never liked the "cheesy" feel that GW has always attempted to give to Nurgle. In fact, I hate it. And this is the worst offender of them all.

- Plaguebearers. See "Great Unclean One"

- Nurglings. See "Great Unclean One". I'd like to see a rendition of nurglings done up like maggots or some such thing. I think that would be pretty awesome.

- New Daemonettes. Compared to the old ones, these models are a tragedy. I had always imagined that Daemonettes were intended to be seductive, and they come up with THIS? Who the hell would be distracted by hermaphrodite pink crab creatures from hell?

- Landspeeders. Somehow, they just don't fit in with everything else the Space Marines have going for them.

- Anything with bone-horses. The basic GW bone horse is possibly the worst looking model I've ever seen, whether it be Vampire Counts or Tomb Kings. They make me want to strangle whoever modeled them. I know they must be difficult to model correctly, but even so....they just make me cringe.

I would have to agree with all of those except the land speeder
Space marines are a tactical force so it fits with the fluff, unlike daemonettes as you said, and also they look quite cool, maybe not great with sm driving but using the new scout biker as crew you could make a pretty cool scoutspeeder

Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

Oh and noise marine arms and supporting arms... And the old metal death guard with the fat bellies that their death guard metal bolter arms wouldn't fit around...

i hate the tech marine in the thunder fire cannon. those ing servo-arms just refuse to stay on!

I have a couple

40K- about 70% of DE because they are fugly

WHFB- Wood Elf lord on Eagle, because a whole metal model on a spindly flying stand is a very bad idea!

New Daemonettes. Compared to the old ones, these models are a tragedy. I had always imagined that Daemonettes were intended to be seductive, and they come up with THIS? Who the hell would be distracted by hermaphrodite pink crab creatures from hell?

...seriously? You wouldn't find that the least bit distracting?

"OMG WHAT THE HELL IS THA-"

I must be the only one who likes the new daemonettes then. I think they fit their fluff better, they're supposed to be hermaphroditic, and they look a lot like the older models now with the crab claws and alien-like faces.

ArbitorIan wrote:Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

You should try a Confrontation Cynwall Dragon.

Metal, with a 2 PART WING! You have to assemble the WING!!!!

ArbitorIan wrote:Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

-raises hand-

And that is why the plastic Dragon & Balrog wings are truly awesome for model longevity.

Though I think the metal-body / plastic-wing Wood Elf Dragon is truly an awesome bit of sculpting.

Kej wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

If I have to glue his blocky orks together, paint them, and look at them for their life in my army then I think that qualifies as assembling

I am not talking about his personal GD entries. He is a brilliant painter. I am talking about his horrible style with the Orks as compared to Nelson and other greats of the past. Perbet's Orks look like they are squares on top of squares glued to more squares.

I have to disagree. I absolutely love the Kommandos.

ArbitorIan wrote:Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

Oh jeebus rice yes. And they were ugly as sin, I'm sure Throgdor the Burninator (first draw an S, then draw another S) was inspired by GW dragons.

The plastic elf dragon is the first GW dragon I've liked.

Everything that's made of metal, `nuff said. This includes metal/plastic mixed bossets.

Why? Because only about 1/6 of the superglue I use ends up on the model, the rest on my hands.

i have always hated the ratling models and the ork buggies and trakks.
just... awful.
and the dark eldar are pretty terrible across the board, too.

The Tryanid Hive tyrant its so anoying how the arms fall off I still cant get the arms to stay on

Ork Dreadnoughts were not fun.

I really dislike the necron warriors. why they attached the supporting arm's hand to the gun, I'm not sure. I don't really care anymore though, I have 30 warriors assembled.

That being said, the monolith was surprisingly well built and easy to assemble.

Stupid Tomb Scorpion miniature. I glued the legs they came apart. GS and then glued the legs, they came apart. I would pin them but the leg is so fragile looking that it gives me the creeps.

M.

Calgar and honour guard.

if you don't get it right the first time?

tough... you will never get their arms to stay on.

Miguelsan wrote:Stupid Tomb Scorpion miniature. I glued the legs they came apart. GS and then glued the legs, they came apart. I would pin them but the leg is so fragile looking that it gives me the creeps.

M.

I think I have to agree here too lol. I built one and have a second to assemble but I would rather stab myself in the eye with a hot french fry than build the second so the second one is just a 50m base that runs around with an arrow painted on it to show the front lmao.

<bangs head on modeling table>

Maybe I can make the pain go away...

TOMB spider is made of fail, but then, most of the multipart all metal minis are a challenge.

I'd like to ad Samael to the list, the all metal jetbike is a big challenge to get lined up, its close, but that doesn't cut it. The front hull with the eagle, and bilaterally divided prow ram and jetbike understructure just doesnt line up and there are no pins or keys or mount brackets or stubs or anything, just flush joins. Yikes...

Augustus wrote:TOMB spider is made of fail, but then, most of the multipart all metal minis are a challenge.

I'd like to ad Samael to the list, the all metal jetbike is a big challenge to get lined up, its close, but that doesn't cut it. The front hull with the eagle, and bilaterally divided prow ram and jetbike understructure just doesnt line up and there are no pins or keys or mount brackets or stubs or anything, just flush joins. Yikes...

Lol, I'm 80% of the way through putting mine together right now, and feth me is that model annoying as hell. I think it's just me hating on metal models though, its plastic or bust for me. The prow ram...makes no sense to me. when I put the pieces on they rocked a fair bit, and i couldnt figure out if i should rock them up for a wider ram, or down for a narrower one. Neither seemed like the proper fit, and the whole thing just annoyed the crap out of me. I never glued the eagle on, my army is Fallen Angels so I scrapped the "raven" from ravenwing and have used more angel iconography instead. I replaced the eagle with the standing angel from the RW upgrade sprue (the one shown in the sammael-speeder conversion). Snipped the wings off, and the legs. Greenstuffed the raven wings to his shoulders, and a new lower body for him. Looks badass.

I also hate that sammaels head wasn't removable. I haaaaaaaate bareheaded marines with a passion. Especially sammael, i mean the man's immune to instead death, why the feth is he running around with nothing to protect his noggin? A stray bullet to the face and there goes 205 points. Took me an hour with clippers, a drill, and a now-tipped hobby knife to get that thing out of there. His sword is also way too thin and flimsy. I also wish they'd made his attachment to the flying stand better. That sucker is heavy when he's put together, i'm going to have to pin him to that stupid little stand...



I haven't come across many models I've totally hated recently though. I hear you guys on the metal crusader bits though, what a pain. From my oooooooold (4th ed) chaos warriors army, I had the chariot which was a bitch to put together. The riders just wouldn't physically fit inside. Also the old bloodthirster model was a pain, as the arms were all so spindly it was so frustrating to pin.

4th ed Archaon was also an absolutely abysmall model. fether is like 800 points, and the best they can come up with is some pansy on a regular sized horse who looks more poorly armoured and pansier than the stock lord model? Absolutely pathetic...
The old chaos dragon was a bitch too. I remember coming inside after I'd finally gotten him glued, and the front of my hair was literally white from super glue residue (i shudder to think of how many brain cells that killed...)

It also really bothers me that SM bikes don't come with a proper base. The base they're supplied with they simply do not fit on, and that I'm legally not allowed to stick them on something different is insulting. Give me a real base for them, and don't make me rely on some "cut up two different types of bases perfectly for each fething biker" tripe like they posted on their site...not to mention that those aren't legal bases...

Know what I hate? Dragon Ogres.

Take a good look at the artwork in the WoC book. It's bloody amazing and screams 'doom incarnate'. Look at the models, and they look horrible. Their faces and six-packs are just lots of plastic blobs pressed into place, and their dragon legs are really feeble and thin. They wouldn't hold them up.

thats why i field dragon ogre shaggoths instead.