As a guy with hair, I feel kind of offended and left out that just about every space marine sgt. is a bald, shouting man. There are lots of us quieter guys with hair that could lead a band of marines as well as any loud, bald guy. It seems like the only guys with hair in any 40k leadership position are wimpy IG guys.
Why doesn't GW have more diversity in this region? Why are guys with hair so under represented?

Because in the Grim Darkness of the Future...there is no hair club for men.

Yes we need more afros...Pink ones.

windswept313 wrote:Yes we need more afros...Pink ones.

Yes pink afros...and the occasional blue mowhawk.

If you were more the man, you'd shave your head!

All that stress from yelling. Causes baldness.

Extra implants and organs may cause baldness.

The sheen off a bald head helps blind enemy combatants in close combat.

Because keeping hair of any length clean while in the field is a pain in the butt. (Quick aside... Honestly I don't see why some current European armies allow their troops to have long hair. Not only does it pose a hygene problem, but it looks damned unprofessional!)

But not ALL sgts have shaved heads. I've got some old assault marine figures with mohawks and wild unkept hair....dyed unnatural colors of course!

TR

Don't some Space Wolves have hair?

Mattlov wrote:Don't some Space Wolves have hair?

Case in point on the hygiene issue. Heh

Trench-Raider wrote:Because keeping hair of any length clean while in the field is a pain in the butt. (Quick aside... Honestly I don't see why some current European armies allow their troops to have long hair. Not only does it pose a hygene problem, but it looks damned unprofessional!)

But not ALL sgts have shaved heads. I've got some old assault marine figures with mohawks and wild unkept hair....dyed unnatural colors of course!

TR

#1 if women can have long hair and don't need to shave thier heads in boot camp then neither should guys.

#2 If females can take long hair into the field and its not some huge "hyene problem" then it should go for males as well.

#3 The only time it CAN become an issue is during a war when you have no clue when your next shower will be. In which case it only takes a few minutes to buzz before your plane takes off.

#4 We used to allow our men to have long hair in the military. Why it was changed last century is unknown. It looked professional on Custer didn't it? George Washington? So what is the problem?

This was one of the things I HATED about the military. I hated having to get my haircut every two weeks. I hated fades and they looked like stupid trendy preppy cuts. blah. Im glad IG sgts. have thier hair.

Ehh...the examples relating to female soldiers are not particularly valid as the grooming standards for them were shaped by societal norms for women and female self image rather than military practicality. And yes, female soldiers have a hell of a time keeping clean in the field due to their long hair. (not to mention the whole "feminen hygene: aspect, which I will not go into..)

This was one of the things I HATED about the military. I hated having to get my haircut every two weeks. I hated fades and they looked like stupid trendy preppy cuts

Then it was probably best you left the service if you felt looking "cool" was that important.

It looked professional on Custer didn't it

Actually, no it didn't.
He caught alot of grief for his long hair.

But I'll get off my soap box here. I have a real hate on for long hair on men. (one of the best times I have at work is when we get to hold down and give a force haircut to some clown who refuses to cut his hair!)

TR

It's a geneseed mutation, implant 27: King Chops

Helmets are cooler without hair jammed inside.
Contact electrodes wouldn't work well on an afro'.
Hair is a handhold.
Bald heads display service studs better.

Hair is normally a young man's disease. Everyone balds eventually. Regardless an unchanging immortal might, after a few hundred years of sweating under or clipping the stuff, want to permanently depilate.

Spacewolves probably like the way it holds their musk as they're a bit pack-like. Which reminds me, dog kennels smell like dog arse.

screw professionalism, long hair is awesome. Sure it can be an issue, but you don't need to shave your head. Military aside, I'm sick of people setting the standard that all men should have short hair... it's disgusting. And what about all the men who get drafted, and have beautiful, long hair? are they expected to just lop it off and go on? screw that lol...


>.< that aside, if you want your sarges to have hair, greenstuff it on. I did it with my Herald of Slaanesh. I didn't want her hair to be all crazy and fanning out everywhere, so I took a bald head and modeled my own on. lol. it worked perfectly. ^^

Every man should have a period in their life where they have long hair for a large percentage, be it superhuman or normal and boring

And what about all the men who get drafted, and have beautiful, long hair? are they expected to just lop it off and go on?

Well, yes actually.
I suspect you would be horrified to see what happens to fools who get sent to prison and then refuse to submit to the required head shaving for the ID photo. (one of the handful of times you can legally use force to make someone cut their hair in my State's agency)
But as in the case above the intelligent long hairs cut their locks off BEFORE they arrive at basic training or the prison intake facility to avoid the discomfort and time involved with the barber.

TR

Hippie.

Every man should have a period in his life when he is totally bald ... BY CHOICE!

Karoline Dianne wrote:screw professionalism, long hair is awesome. Sure it can be an issue, but you don't need to shave your head. Military aside, I'm sick of people setting the standard that all men should have short hair... it's disgusting. And what about all the men who get drafted, and have beautiful, long hair? are they expected to just lop it off and go on? screw that lol...


>.< that aside, if you want your sarges to have hair, greenstuff it on. I did it with my Herald of Slaanesh. I didn't want her hair to be all crazy and fanning out everywhere, so I took a bald head and modeled my own on. lol. it worked perfectly. ^^

As a former long-haired dude, it's not as cool as you think it is. Unless you are Fabio or a manly, burly man who can rip people in half, long hair just makes you look like a pansy.

Every man should have a period in his life when he is totally bald ... BY CHOICE!

Amen. I'm on that right now.

Other then hygienic reasons , i thought long hair is frowned upon due to these reasons?

-easier for your enemy to grab a hold of your head , hard tug will easily damage your neck .
or if someone comes from behind you, they can easily tug your head back and easily slit your throat.

-unless you tie it back, it can obscure your view or when wind blows.

-if its dirty and all tangled up, wouldnt it catch branches easily when you are sneaking around the forest?

-it might get caught in machinery. jammed in your weapons?

Actually...If you go to prison, and refuse to cut your hair, you get locked in solitary confinement until you choose otherwise.

Trust me, I know this. If that's so in your state, I would hate to live where you do.

Honestly don't know what you have against guys with long hair, Trench-Raider. Sounds like a personal insecurity thing to me.

I'm just messing with you. Even so, give us a break, will you?

Anyway, I think the reason that so many Space Marine sergeants are bald is because when they DO actually have hair, it ends up being a grey flat-top crew cut with a horrible widow's peak. I think I would go the bald route, as well.

Actually...If you go to prison, and refuse to cut your hair, you get locked in solitary confinement until you choose otherwise.

Trust me, I know this.

Actually, I've been in corrections for 17 years so I should know.
In my state it's like you describe for those who are actually in the system. However due to having to have a good indentication photo all incoming inmates must have their heads shaved and force can be used to gain compliance. As someone who currently is the intake supervisor at my facility it happens a few times a year when we get some clown is who wants to buck the system.

If that's so in your state, I would hate to live where you do.

Really? Why would that be? The obvious answer is to stay out of prison...something that is quite easy to do. It's always a self inflicted condition.

Honestly don't know what you have against guys with long hair, Trench-Raider. Sounds like a personal insecurity thing to me

Spare me the pop psycology (spelling), bud. It's a deeply ingrained adversion that grew from a military oriented background. I've never had my hair more than about an inch long at any time in my life. It's something that while in high school got me a small amount of grief as I grew up in the '80s when long hair on males was regrettably the fashion.

TR

well corrections is a different world. You deal with criminals. Soldiers are not criminals but it seemed we at times had less rights than criminals.

ex: Fort bliss, TX 1999. El Paso county prison was supposed to have thier prisoners come in and "Landscape" a 2 miles perimiter, 10 ft wide (105,600 sq ft) area around our motor pool with red rocks. As grass does not grow in El Paso, AKA HELL'S PISS HOLE AKA butthole of America.. Anyways El Paso county corrections said it was too INHUMANE. So they made US DO IT!!! Our comander even made the officers do it!! And of course HE COLONEL LUND was nowhere to be seen the entire time.

My point. Do not compare prisoner's to soldiers please.

Also, I do not like having long hair either. I did in high school but I hate it now. I like side burns and at least a little hair on the sides. Just enough to finger comb. But thats not good enough for the military. Whatever.

Relapse wrote: As a guy with hair, I feel kind of offended and left out that just about every space marine sgt. is a bald, shouting man. There are lots of us quieter guys with hair that could lead a band of marines as well as any loud, bald guy. It seems like the only guys with hair in any 40k leadership position are wimpy IG guys.
Why doesn't GW have more diversity in this region? Why are guys with hair so under represented?

There's a head on the Dark Angels sprue with a full, lush head of hair, and a grim, icy demeanor, if that's your thing.

I'm a bald sergeant. You got something against bald sergeants?

Hahah, I never meant to turn a thread about why Space Marines have bald heads into a "My time in jail" discussion. But my brain is just itching to clear some things up, so here goes nothing.

Apparently, the State of Kansas is perfectly fine with pulled back hair for a mugshot (and I'm not talking county), as that's all they asked from me. After spending about a month in an integration pod (This should sound pretty familiar), they give you two options (if your hair is anywhere over half an inch long). Either cut your hair and go to open population, or go to seg. So, I went to seg. Took me about two months before I finally said screw it.

Trench-Raider wrote:The obvious answer is to stay out of prison...something that is quite easy to do. It's always a self inflicted condition.

Self defense is not self-inflicted. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but spare me the CO psychology. Trust me, I've heard some variant of that a thousand different times, due to something that honestly wasn't my fault. I'm sure you hear that one a lot too.


@ smart_alex: Wow, at first glance, that's pretty terrible. But I'd like to think that the biggest reason the county didn't want to pick up a landscaping job with inmates is because landscaping obviously takes a LOT of people, and since a lot of inmates in county have yet to be convicted, I'm fairly sure that they can't use any sort of lethal force threat to keep them from trying to run. And yes, even in El Paso, I'm sure at least one person would run. Possibly, the county just needed another reason? I don't really know.

I'm a bald sergeant. You got something against bald sergeants?

My sergeants aren't bald. They wear helmets.

When you don't wear your helmet you get shot in the head.

Blood Angels like hair.

Their uber-librarian vampire guy has long-ish hair (like fabio).
Sanguinius, their primarch WAS fabio. Damn pretty boy.

Some of the Space Wolves have hair. This is mainly so that they can save food and spilled beer for 'ron' (as in 'later on').

I've had one haircut since I was fifteen. If I ever needed to cut my hair I would. Seems like a pretty simple issue to me.

I leave the helmets off of my heavy weapon guys. You don't need restricted vision, and you sure as hell don't need a concussed dude who just 'survived' a heavy stubber round to the head swinging a plasma cannon around. He's better off dead.

Meh, I had long hair as a teen. Down to the crack of my butt. Went along with the wearing of too much black and listening to music with "disturbing lyrics and/or imagery" (was a metalhead, not a hippy.)
Then I joined the army. See the world, they said ...
That was 6 years of VERY short hair. Had a medical issue (blew out AC ligament in left knee on exercise. Rotated to Stores to serve out my time, then discharged.)

Haven't had hair longer than my collar in over 20 years.

They are simply maintaining the groomin' standard, there's a lot of things that can go wrong out there in the 41st millennium, but the one thing Marines can count on is the Emperor's groomin' standard.

In the grim dark future of the 41st millenium...

...there is no shampoo.

Which means none of those bloody celebrity "Because I'm worth it" L'Oreal adverts, so the future can't be that grim and dark.

I had thought that all SMs were bald by nature, but apparently there are some with hair.

The bald in the military thing is a cultural thing. The purpose is to get the men conform to the group culture.

The US military is keener on enforced baldness than European forces. US society is more individualistic than European, so perhaps it is harder to get the men to conform to the group, and the enforced shaving helps. Just a theory.

The emperor demanded shaved heads and so it came to be!

FITZZ wrote: Because in the Grim Darkness of the Future...there is no hair club for men.

You stole my line!


I usually model my sergeants as the bald guys because it makes them look older. For instance if you have bald scouts (new initiates) with a youthful sergeant who's a veteran... something looks wrong.

~Logic

Logic wrote:

I usually model my sergeants as the bald guys because it makes them look older. For instance if you have bald scouts (new initiates) with a youthful sergeant who's a veteran... something looks wrong.

That's a very good point, i never thought of it like that

gotta maintain the grooming standard or company morale goes to gak

Nevermind the fact that SM armor is a sealed system, and long hair can easily prevent you from getting an airtight seal between neck and helmet.

ShumaGorath wrote:
My sergeants aren't bald. They wear helmets.

When you don't wear your helmet you get shot in the head.

Me too heads tend to be mighty squshi in combat

As for having long hair being big and intimidating helps not to get mocked by near by standing peapole. Trust me.

I think it just kind of fits in with the imagery of shouting angry men, nothing like a skin head to bring up conotations of violence.

As for the long hair in the army thing, having had some experience of the British army (from a MOD view not actually serving) hair still has to be cut smart and short, or if it is longer it has to be able to 'hidden' inside a beret, hence some troops obessions with undercuts.

It might not be the same in america here, but there is some macho bull gak that troops have to deal with in the civilian world, such as people trying to prove they can beat up a squady etc, so i think having hair cuts that allow them to meld better with the general public is only a good thing, allows them to avoid any kind of antipathy that might be about towards them. And in this day and age stops them becoming a target in civlian street to.

Also i beleive its the norm in American special forces as it is in regiments like the SAS to allow troops to move away from regulation on grooming, grow facial hair and even long hair so again they can not be picked out as a soldier straight away.

So i would like to see you turn round and tell someone from the regiment or even delta that they where being 'unprofessional'

It's going with the stereotype of bald screaming drill sergeants in the modern-day military. Like the guy in Full Metal Jacket.

Talking about hairy troops, it was against regs for British soldiers not to wear a moustache until after the first world war.

British sailors are still allowed facial fungus -- it must be a full moustache and beard though.

I would like to see the return of the late 17th century fashion for a full wig. I think that would be cool, combined with buckle shoes, knee breeches and a frock coat.

I read that when Gerry Anderson made UFO, he had a lot of the male actors in wigs and make-up (eye-liner, etc) because he assumed that by now, that kind of thing would be in fashion for men. He wasn't completely wrong, actually, when you look at the New Romantics, goths and the current trend for men to use conditioners and so on.

Cheese Elemental wrote:It's going with the stereotype of bald screaming drill sergeants in the modern-day military. Like the guy in Full Metal Jacket.

R lee emery had hair in that film

As a guy with long hair, there are a few advantages that have kept me from getting it cut.
1. Insulates from the cold in winter, like a biological scarf keeping me nice and toasty. Especially good when sitting on a cold seat as it prevents my upper torso from contact with cold metal.
2. Insulates from the heat in summer, giving a buffer between the hot sun and my pasty flesh, and prevents sunburn on my neck. Only insulates for so long and then it becomes an issue, but it holds water well which aids cooling greatly.
3. Most importantly, as a computer chap, I have an instant, visual awareness of static electricity which has probably saved more than one piece of kit over the years.

They don't have hair for the same reason they don't wear shorts....

Here's something to think about...Calgar is an old old superman by now, but he still has his hair! The Chapter master models were based on the Ultramarines (kinda) but they're all bald!! whats that about?

And how come most orks are bald...and then a few orks have five feet of hair growing straight out of the top of their heads?

its unnatural (as most crazy green xenos are)

On the topic of Ork hair....

Cheese Elemental wrote:It's going with the stereotype of bald screaming drill sergeants in the modern-day military. Like the guy in Full Metal Jacket.

Lol R Lee Ermey is just brutal, he's probably the angriest man in the world after seeing that and the new Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies.

Drill Sergeants are stereotyped after him.

Lol that Ork reminds me of a Space Wolf

Orks are a different case.

They have hair-squigs. Kinda like a toupee that bites onto thetop of your head to stay on.

If I were a space marine (& god willing, one day I *will* be a space marine) I think it would look cooler if I kept my hair.

on the other hand, I have no idea how Id fit it inside the helmet. (Ive actually put an unhealthy amount of thought into this).

I think possibly tying it back really tight & jamming it down the back of the neck of the body suit that goes under the power armour. works well enough for hooded tops....

Im not sure if it would get in the way though... I dunno. Anyway, Im going to assume there IS a way to keep it, because Ive seen SMs with long hair. & not just space wolves, Im sure there were others.

Trench-Raider wrote:I've never had my hair more than about an inch long at any time in my life. It's something that while in high school got me a small amount of grief as I grew up in the '80s when long hair on males was regrettably the fashion.

TR

Haw haw haw! I know you hated being around me circa 1990, Trench! I was quite the hippy freak then, as you remember.

In retrospect, I'm glad to have rid my self of all that hair - it tended to attract creepy women.

I have to admit, I like the "Arnie" flattops on marines. Reminds me of my old RT roots.

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JohnHwangDD wrote:Hippie.

Every man should have a period in his life when he is totally bald ... BY CHOICE!

Been there, done that.

Now I have a veritable mane of thick, long, luxurious hair. Which I dyed back to it's normal black as I am too young to be going grey!

As a Warmachine player, I originally read the title of this thread as

"Why does every Sgt. have to be bait?"

Doesn't mephiston have loads of hair?? he's covered in it. the big gorrilla!

so is it just the recent plastics that are bald?

can anyone remember a good old fashioned metal spacemarine character model thats bald? lysander? is that it?

Ok, first the on topic stuff....well as much on topic as a humorous thread like this can be anyway..

Gitkikka:

Haw haw haw! I know you hated being around me circa 1990, Trench! I was quite the hippy freak then, as you remember.

Hehe...you know it buddy. I was ashamed to be seen out with you in public! But not half as much as I am now!

In retrospect, I'm glad to have rid my self of all that hair - it tended to attract creepy women.

That it did. What was that batty chicks name again?

Chromedog:

Orks are a different case.

They have hair-squigs. Kinda like a toupee that bites onto thetop of your head to stay on.

You beat me to it.
I recall in that wonderful old "Waaargh the Orks" books it states that Orks actually feel sorry for humans as they can only obtain hair squigs in a few shades of brown and yellow!

Mad Doc:

Now I have a veritable mane of thick, long, luxurious hair.

Why does that not suprise me?

TR

Come to think of it, the Pretty Marines all have the most marvellously coiffed hair, including the sergeants and officers.

Long hair is a "pansy" trait!? Tell that to Rafael Nadal in tennis and just about every Argentinian (sp?) soccer player in the world cup... and others who might not be as tough, but are incredibly good at what they do... Valderrama!!

Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers... and even when he was dragged down by his hair after an interception, he gave the guy kudos for doing it!

And the 80s were cool!!!

And the 80s were cool!!!

Yes there were. I didn't say they were not. I still listen to '80s music on a regular basis. But the whole hair fad was annoying to someone who grew up in straight-laced family who regarded long hair as a symbol of the cultural decay of the '60s.

Anyway, one quick off topic reply. I can't resist this one for obvious reasons:

Self defense is not self-inflicted. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but spare me the CO psychology. Trust me, I've heard some variant of that a thousand different times, due to something that honestly wasn't my fault. I'm sure you hear that one a lot too.

So you say.
It's more than just my CO mindset (which I freely admit is at least partially in play. I have an understandable hatred for criminals) at play here. There is also the whole statistical probabbility thing going on as well. The US Justice Department estimates that fewer than one half of one percent of all US prison inmates are wrongly convicted. Moreover, looking at those who have been vidicated and released shows us that the majority of those are people with previous criminal histories (many career criminals) who just happen not to be guilty of THAT crime. They got caught up wrongly when the police looked to the local known nere do wells when a crime occured in an area rather than conduct a proper investigation. That doesn't make it right of course. But it does put it in perspective. The whole idea of the totally innocent wrongly convicted man (ala the Shawshank Redemption) that is so beloved of Hollyweird is so uncommon as to be almost mythical.

In any event, when you claim that you were not guilty and acting in "self defence" I suspect rather strongly that you are leaving a very important part of the story out. I see this alot when people claim to have been misr=treated by the cops for example. They will neglect to mention that they became rude and confrontational when they got stopped for speeding for example. Your claim rather reminds me of the story told by my ex-wife's eldest son. He was a real piece of work I can tell you. Anyway, he got convicted of aggravated assault and a hate crime (the guy he beat up was an illegal third worlder and he White) when he got drugged up and beat a guy within an inch of his life after a dispute over a girl. Of course he claimed he was acting in self defence, despite the fact he damned near killed the guy and according to the police report kept beating on the guy after he was down. His excuse for the fact they found drugs in his system? He said the oher guy opened the fight by throwing a bag of cocain in his face. Riiiiiggght....

Anyway, my point is that in the real world in the vast, vast majority of all cases prison is a self inflicted condition. I don't care what race you are or what your economic background is. Criminal activity is always a choice.

Ok, rant off..

TR

Traditionally, long hair is a sign of strength and virlity.

Take from that what you will. But me, I like my hair long. Even if it does clog up the plughole in the bath...

I figured it was because the small helmets didn't allow the top knots seen in orks, chaos, tau, and some older Eldar models. Now if SMs had helmets like Eldar guardians I'm sure Mr. Goodwin would be sculpting top knots on SM sergeants.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Now I have a veritable mane of thick, long, luxurious hair. Which I dyed back to it's normal black as I am too young to be going grey!

I've been salt&pepper for a decade, and lately, it seems the salt is starting to take over. I'm mostly glad to still have a full head of hair. It think it'd be nice to have a full head of white hair - I'd like to grow that out into a long ponytail.

But you actually dye your hair? You know that's the equivalent of a bald guy wearing a toupee...
____

RiTides Nids wrote:Long hair is a "pansy" trait!?

but are incredibly good at what they do... Valderrama!!

And the 80s were cool!!!

It is if you're not built like a brick gak.

I though Wilmer Valderrama was known for bedding hot Hollywood chicks by dint of being hung like a horse, not for being any good as an "actor".

The 80s were cool. Aside from the big hair, which was ridiculous.

JohnHwangDD wrote:But you actually dye your hair? You know that's the equivalent of a bald guy wearing a toupee...

Don't really care. It's my natural colour, so it doesn't look daft. I dye the beard as well.

I would have it in a more vivid playful colour, but work won't allow (I occasionally have to deal with clients face to face) so plain old black it was.

I use a Scwazhkopf colour system. Good and permanent, though the roots could do with a touch up, and the beard needs it again.

Oh, and the 80's weren't much fun in Britain. 10 years too long of Thatcher humping everywhere that wasn't the South East. Been through former Welsh Mining Villages. Desolation barely describes what I saw there.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Now I have a veritable mane of thick, long, luxurious hair. Which I dyed back to it's normal black as I am too young to be going grey!

If you're going grey, grey is your normal colour you chump. Still at least grey hair looks distinguished, balding looks washed out. /also getting grey hair

My hair isn't long anymore, I got tired of waking up blind.

You're all asking the wrong question, the question is why all the unhelmeted Space Marines don't wear their helments. The answer is because without some hair to act as a buffer their helmets chafe their noggins.

Knickers.

It's dyed, and it's staying dyed!

I just assumed it was because they were old. like, hundreds of years old.

I dont really see the imperiums genators developing an implant just to counter male-pattern baldness.

Tesla wrote:The emperor demanded shaved heads and so it came to be!

After his fight with Horus, The Emperor was jealous that the SM still had his good hair genes while he had (almost) no hair and so demanded that Codex Astartes say SM must have crewcuts or be bald! The BA and SW are just dirty rotten anti-codex types!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
I though Wilmer Valderrama was known for bedding hot Hollywood chicks by dint of being hung like a horse, not for being any good as an "actor".

Sorry, I should have specified... I meant Carlos Valderrama (the soccer player known for his huge, dyed-blonde afro)

Meh. Even though he's a no-talent, Wilmer V. totally pwns Carlos V. He's got a bigger package and sleeps with hotter women. Mad props to Wilmer!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

RiTides Nids wrote:Long hair is a "pansy" trait!?

It is if you're not built like a brick gak.

And if you are, like I'm aspiring to be, you usually look better bald anyway. With some nice oxfords (shirts and shoes) you look like a kicking bouncer.

I started going grey in high school (which was the 80s) when I had long hair. Unlike many people who go grey, Mine didn't start at the temples, but centre scalp, and grew out as a stripe (my original hair colour was a very deep brown-black). I had the nickname "skunk" at school for the stripe.

Of course, it being the 80s, and Goth being in, the white stripe was also kinda cool. Pity I wasn't.

Am I the only one out here who would fire most of the SM Sergeants?

I mean seriously, if you make it through a couple hundred years of warfare, I don't think it's too much to ask for the person leading a squad to be smart enough the wear a helmet.

That is why, if you have screaming baldies, you should model them with their helmet hanging on their belt...

Eh, what 40k really needs is more beards, pretty much the only beards I see are on Space Wolves and very odd orcs. I mean seriously, screaming bald looks so much better with a thick manly beard!!!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Traditionally, long hair is a sign of strength and virlity.

Take from that what you will. But me, I like my hair long. Even if it does clog up the plughole in the bath...

Erm, isn't the opposite true? Long hair is usually a sign of femininity. Short hair and baldness is more a sign of virility and testosterone.

Anyway theres one simple reason models have bald heads. It's a military haircut.

You should read up more on your ancient and not so ancient history good sir. In many cultures the warriors either had long hair as a symbol of status (Samurai) or all men wore it long (a generally more germanic and gallic thing.)

because we're too lazy to GS hair onto our guys?

Ratbarf wrote:You should read up more on your ancient and not so ancient history good sir. In many cultures the warriors either had long hair as a symbol of status (Samurai) or all men wore it long (a generally more germanic and gallic thing.)

I've no need. I'm talking about modern western history. baldness and short hair is traditionally a military haircut. It is also a sign of virility and testosterone (I would wager the last two hundred action films have featured far more leading males with short hair rather than long, because of just that reason). In other cultures it may be different, but in the west the links are there, hence the reason the skinhead look has been adopted by militant nazis, 9 in 10 bouncers i see every friday night etc. etc.

Oh and I also support your call for more beards btw.

Long hair was de rigeur for western military men from the 16th century until the mid-19th. Check up details on Hussar uniform.

The military = short is quite a modern development.

Bouncers (and security and cops) are all bald so that people don't grab them by the hair in a fight.

Less than an inch of hair, and it can't be done.

Same reason they don't wear neckties...

In the SF novel Ambient by Jack Womack, a bodyguard has detachable plastic ears for the same reason.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Bouncers (and security and cops) are all bald so that people don't grab them by the hair in a fight.

Less than an inch of hair, and it can't be done.

Same reason they don't wear neckties...

Police in the UK wear clip on neckties

JohnHwangDD wrote:Bouncers (and security and cops) are all bald so that people don't grab them by the hair in a fight.

Less than an inch of hair, and it can't be done.

Same reason they don't wear neckties...

ok so why is it most I see and have met adopt the 0-4mm length hair rather than anything up to 1 inch?

It doesn't matter what was the rule in history. Are cultural conceptions of testosterone, virility etc. are based on the world around us, the modern images. In the modern day (for whatever reason) the military, the police, boncers etc. generally have short haircuts, as such it has become a prominent image of testosterone. I see it all the time, I hardly meet any girls these days who say they prefer longer hair and I would argue the majority of them are attracted to virile men.

That is the reason the sculptors have given them that look, as it gives those connotations. Long hair can give feminine connotations, not the look you want on a model which needs to look like he can command an army. Whether or not you prefer that is up to you, but that is the reason.

Are you saying that the the long hair on Space Wolves, Orks, and other long-haired male models gives them feminine connotations? The Space Wolves are one of the most masculine, manly chapters in existence, and tons of them have long hair.

This thread is ridiculous. I feel sillier now for having participated in it.

No I said long hair CAN give a feminine look. I can not see how you can argue against that. Do you prefer bald women? No you don't because it makes them look like men, why does it make them look like men? Because shorter hair is generally associated with males/testosterone etc. Thats my point. The space wolves have wild beards, also an image of testosterone.

Hairy Manly


Roman Manly


Scot Manly


Mechanical Manly


Scary Manly


Awesome real world Manly


Ubermanly and you'll like it!


And of course, a self portrait of moi, per Genghis Connie, checking whether the grass needs to be cut.

I think some women look gorgeous with short hair, although no, I don't "prefer" bald women. It's not because it makes them look like a man though. I've seen plenty of long-haired women who have what most people would consider a masculine look, and plenty of short haired guys who look feminine.

Of course, that has a lot to do with stereotypical views on what is masculine and feminine, and this thread just seems to be encouraging more of that.

I guess I will say that long hair can combine with other factors to give a feminine look, but the hair itself isn't enough. How the long hair is worn probably has a lot to do with it too.

Here are some men demonstrating their manliness with short hair and various testosterone created moustache/beard combinations.

(Used for purposes of illustration and review.)

lol! Nice self-portrait

That reminds me, though, if you look at the animal kingdom- the lion with all the 'fro is the one with the sho'!

It obviously comes down to personal opinion, and I think everybody probably holds one pretty strongly one way or the other . As long as it's in good fun...

Hordini wrote:I think some women look gorgeous with short hair, although no, I don't "prefer" bald women. It's not because it makes them look like a man though. I've seen plenty of long-haired women who have what most people would consider a masculine look, and plenty of short haired guys who look feminine.

Of course, that has a lot to do with stereotypical views on what is masculine and feminine, and this thread just seems to be encouraging more of that.

I guess I will say that long hair can combine with other factors to give a feminine look, but the hair itself isn't enough. How the long hair is worn probably has a lot to do with it too.

It's not as far as a stereotype really. It's just a 'prominent image' that men have short hair and women have longer hair.

If I wanted to do a female model an easy way to make her look more female would be to lengthen the hair right?

Femeninty can also be used in an effort to make a character seem good or bad. For example the emporer is shown to have longer hair while horus is shown to have shorter hair.

It's all to do with our cultural identifications of what the look of a person tells us. Whether the prominent identifications are wrong, doesn't change that they are prominent.

As a greying, balding ex-hippy-haired old fart, I could swing either way on this one...

No, wait... we've just been talking about the Village People... I didn't mean...

Ack! Too late!

Damn!

These dudes were all pretty manly.

A man's man!



A manly man's man:


And of course, the ulimate in male manliness:

ok, so these guys 'float your boat' then?

Nope. But this one does...

touche, i need brain bleach now...

Yup!

Real girly!

This thread is fantastic.

Hordini wrote:I think some women look gorgeous with short hair, although no, I don't "prefer" bald women. It's not because it makes them look like a man though. I've seen plenty of long-haired women who have what most people would consider a masculine look, and plenty of short haired guys who look feminine.

Of course, that has a lot to do with stereotypical views on what is masculine and feminine, and this thread just seems to be encouraging more of that.

I guess I will say that long hair can combine with other factors to give a feminine look, but the hair itself isn't enough. How the long hair is worn probably has a lot to do with it too.

Well, you always have to take social norms into account. I'm sure when some of you guys were growing up in the 60s/70s/80s you had pretty cool people wearing long/big hair. When I was growing up in the mid '90s and '00s, long hair usually meant: theater/emo fags, the weird pokemon nerds, and the guy who thinks wolf shirts are chic. Reference: Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. And I was one of the nerds who thought it looked cool too.

Here are some men demonstrating their manliness with short hair and various testosterone created moustache/beard combinations.

Yeah those guys look pretty manly. Where do I sign up? Do they have a newsletter?

Make it stop!

Re: The Village People: I feel sorry for the one in black leather all the others got to dress up as something the black leather dude just got lumbered with a gay stereotype costume. How come none of them are dressed up as pirates?



Arrrrr!

Long hair, short hair, mohawk, afro, it's all the same....

You'll all be bald before my hair even begins to thin, even IF (god, i hope not) i get cancer.

Don't hate long hair, cause your too much a a bi*** to grow out your hair long and get in a fight, tha's just a di*k move.

Don't hate short hair, they feel insecure enough already. Let them think their more masculine.

And that stuff about girls with short hair looking like dudes and so on and so forth, read Witchblade 120+122, that'll definately make you think. Given most of them are most likely lesbo, but that's beside the point.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Long hair, short hair, mohawk, afro, it's all the same....

You'll all be bald before my hair even begins to thin, even IF (god, i hope not) i get cancer.

Don't hate long hair, cause your too much a a bi*** to grow out your hair long and get in a fight, tha's just a di*k move.

Don't hate short hair, they feel insecure enough already. Let them think their more masculine.

And that stuff about girls with short hair looking like dudes and so on and so forth, read Witchblade 120+122, that'll definately make you think. Given most of them are most likely lesbo, but that's beside the point.

well that was all well put and un-offensive wasn't it. I think I'll just ask girls what they think rather than read a sci fi book written by males.

We've pretty much mined this topic out.

Let's talk about boots vs sandals, or something.

Locking thread.