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Hi guys, here is what we've heard regarding the first week of IG releases in May. I'm certain there will be much more coming later in the month.


IG Codex $25
IG Primaris Psyker $15
IG Ratling Snipers $20
IG Sentinel $25
IG Cadian Command Squad $25
IG Catachan Command Squad $25
IG Valkyrie $50
IG Cadian Shock Troops $22
IG Catachan Jungle Fighters $22

~Standard caveats apply, and no guarantees on these prices. Still though, those $22 Cadian/Catachan prices would seem to mesh with the earlier rumors of those kits being repackaged into 10 man squads with a heavy weapon squad included. Do you guys see that Valkyrie on the list? Pretty cool! I expect Jwolf is already weeping tears of joy and practising his "Flight of the Valkyries" humming.'

Yep we have this info listed on the other IG thread going right now. Thanks for putting it by itself though so people don't have to dig through the thread to find this

As mentioned before, if this is the entire release wave for the Guard for May / this year, it is surprisingly light on the new special characters for some odd reason. You'd expect GW to release at least one or two new special characters alongside the codex right from the start.

Maybe that's the Guard's new niche, though: No special characters!

Nothin' special about the Guard after all!

All kidding aside, it might be something that GW will 'surprise' us with, or, hit us with for 'Wave 2'...

That niche is already filled by the Tyranids.

Maybe they aren't getting any new Special Characters?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Agamemnon2 wrote:Maybe that's the Guard's new niche, though: No special characters!

While I would not mind this at all (and would find it very fitting for the untold billions of men and women that is IG), I would be surprised if they did not update the rules for Creed/Kell, Yarrick and Gaunt :(

Oh, no new characters for the guard? don't tease me.

Has any one seen picts of any of these things?

BrookM wrote:As mentioned before, if this is the entire release wave for the Guard for May / this year, it is surprisingly light on the new special characters for some odd reason. You'd expect GW to release at least one or two new special characters alongside the codex right from the start.

No this is just the first part of the Guard release schedule for May, more to come.

That primaris psyker price is certainly no suprise; I just hope his rules justify the price.

Wait for it...

grizgrin wrote:That primaris psyker price is certainly no suprise; I just hope his rules justify the price.

Wait for it...

Um, "I could scratchbuild one for tuppence?"

Among many other options. But yeah.

Please dont let them rerelease the old ratlings....come on some seriously vicious looking hobbits modeled after some of the guys from the Sharp's series or something. Now that would be cool. Looking foward to seeing what the HQ's look like. Still need to order the upgrade kits from FW though. (cant believe I am gonna put all that time an money in to guardsmen....ah well, it probably wont be the last time either)

So, those would still be the same dumb looking Catachans we have now?

What's that in old money?

Can anyone confirm:

Are the Catachans a new sculpt or just repackaged?

Will the new packages have all the special weapons?

Anyone heard anything?

Actually, I am picking up some more ratlings while I can, before the new sculpts come out.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Can anyone confirm:

Are the Catachans a new sculpt or just repackaged?

I'm sure they'll keep it the same. Ultimately, any army with two-star sculpts has plenty going for it.

I mean, I can't imagine them resculpting them. At most I can only imagine a sprue re-cut.

The Catachan models are re-cut and, due to improvements in moulding technology and the like are of a slightly better quality to the older ones and, like the Cadians, will include Special and Heavy weapons in the box.

The Ratlings are also new sculpts, apparently with cloaks, but I haven't seen them yet.

The catachans are redone a bit more than just recut from what I hear, the parts are suppose to be more proportional and in line with the catachan heavy weapon teams. That's the quality to expect of them.

from wha ti ehar Gaunt is getting new rules, mainly caus eth estaffers at my local keep dropping hints about tanith bein gveyr exciting

xowainx wrote:The Catachan models are re-cut and, due to improvements in moulding technology and the like are of a slightly better quality to the older ones and, like the Cadians, will include Special and Heavy weapons in the box.

The Ratlings are also new sculpts, apparently with cloaks, but I haven't seen them yet.

thanks for the info, I`ll have to pick some up before the old onces go OOP, they`re crud but they`re crud that match my other crud.

I wonder if they will now include the kneeling legs in the recut sprues?

Assuming they all come with 5 heavies and the 4 specials we`ll be flush in weapons for a while.

My guess would be that the Ratlings are not metal, and will just be repackaged at 5 per box at $20, which would make the most sense considering everything else on that list bar the Psyker is going to be plastic, and I would highly doubt they would expet to see a lot of returns on plastic Frodo-snipers (though I will buy some, definitely).

I hope they don't change the Catachan look too much. Bring the proportions down, ok. Just don't make them look differen't(clothing wise). I'm not sure everyone hates them as they are now. I think they fit perfectly with their fluff when it comes to their look. I've heard people saying that they need more clothing and something to cover their shoulders. They wouldn't be Catachan if that was the case :(. So I hope they don't alter the look and feel of Catachan.

Brimstone wrote:

BrookM wrote:As mentioned before, if this is the entire release wave for the Guard for May / this year, it is surprisingly light on the new special characters for some odd reason. You'd expect GW to release at least one or two new special characters alongside the codex right from the start.

No this is just the first part of the Guard release schedule for May, more to come.

If anyone else said that I'd say "in your dreams" but in your case, wow. That's quite a lot to release in a single weekend. Makes me wonder what the second part of May will hold for the Imperial Guard.

is the Valkyrie supposed to be a transport for just stormtroopers? or regular guardsmen too?

BrookM wrote:

Brimstone wrote:

BrookM wrote:As mentioned before, if this is the entire release wave for the Guard for May / this year, it is surprisingly light on the new special characters for some odd reason. You'd expect GW to release at least one or two new special characters alongside the codex right from the start.

No this is just the first part of the Guard release schedule for May, more to come.

If anyone else said that I'd say "in your dreams" but in your case, wow. That's quite a lot to release in a single weekend. Makes me wonder what the second part of May will hold for the Imperial Guard.

Well I should qualify my statement then, IIRC these releases only go up to the end of the first week of May 2009 (The release date of the codex).

I'm expecting more releases as part of the intial phase one schedule but I don't yet know how much more will be in May and what will be in June / July.

Looking at the past several releases, GW generally does one week that is mostly plastic and one week that is mostly blisters and the two releases are 2 weeks apart.

Who knows, maybe the psyker is a plastic multi-part kit like the WFB wizards and SM commander.

dietrich wrote:Looking at the past several releases, GW generally does one week that is mostly plastic and one week that is mostly blisters and the two releases are 2 weeks apart.

Who knows, maybe the psyker is a plastic multi-part kit like the WFB wizards and SM commander.

True, they might be increasing his loadout options and/or role in the Guard army.

When I read the list, my main response was.... "Catachans? Again? WTF, Why?"

Seriously, they are the ugliest plastic kit out there. GW would do well to let it die its slow death and not revisit it. How many Catachan players are out there? 2nd, how many actually NEED a re-cut sprue, let alone a new plastic command squad kit just for our armies of mini-rambos? Couldn't GW just have gone and released some catachan metal figs for a command squad in blisters?

When you actually take the time to consider how labour intensive, and expensive, it is to create new plastic sprues, why waste the time on gakky sculpts? I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if the option was for new re-cut plastic catachan squads and a command squad versus plastic greatcoat guard, greatcoats would win OVERWHELMINGLY.

Just a really odd WTF moment there for mini releases on GW's part. Still has me wondering, even after my rant. Totally F-king Bizarre.

Remember, the world is larger than just Topeka Kansas in regards to how many Guard players field Catachan models.

Catachans were my first plastics in the hobby and still dear to my heart, horrible scaling and muscular arms aside. I think they deserve a plastic command squad as much as the Cadians, this might just be GW trying to breathe new life into their Catachan range for all we know. Besides, we might get a Captain J. Rambo who allows you to field an army of Stallone-crazed jungle stalkers.

For every 'the matrix was cool' greatcoat guardsman out there, there is at least one 'first blood was cool' jungle guardsman hiding in the 'green'

I personally feel that, stylistically, greatcoats are a little bit played out. I think a retro turn to jungle warfare is hip, from an artistic point of view.

Also, keep in mind the possibility that with platoon wide special rules, GW may be encouraging you to buy cadians for standard platoons, and catachans to represent infiltrating platoons. Or they could be used to represent veteran platoons. Having at least two different model sets will help people who aren't interested in heavy converting/counts as to represent the unique platoon upgrades their army has.

Heck no, I want a Tropic Thunder Guard with Tugg Speedman at command!

Yea plastic valkyerie for the guards men.
alll guards men praise the emporer
none for
WHOOO HOOOO
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YEAaaaaaaaaaaa

LittleLeadMen wrote:When I read the list, my main response was.... "Catachans? Again? WTF, Why?"

Seriously, they are the ugliest plastic kit out there. GW would do well to let it die its slow death and not revisit it. How many Catachan players are out there? 2nd, how many actually NEED a re-cut sprue, let alone a new plastic command squad kit just for our armies of mini-rambos? Couldn't GW just have gone and released some catachan metal figs for a command squad in blisters?

When you actually take the time to consider how labour intensive, and expensive, it is to create new plastic sprues, why waste the time on gakky sculpts? I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if the option was for new re-cut plastic catachan squads and a command squad versus plastic greatcoat guard, greatcoats would win OVERWHELMINGLY.

Just a really odd WTF moment there for mini releases on GW's part. Still has me wondering, even after my rant. Totally F-king Bizarre.

I am a Catachan player. I think their models have more character then most of the other models out there. The regular Cadians show no character, they are just cut and paste infantry. Nothing special or exciting about them. They did a good job at pulling off jungle fighters with the Catachans and they have a great backstory. I am sure there are plenty more Catachan players out there. We are just hiding.

Jive Professor wrote:

dietrich wrote:Looking at the past several releases, GW generally does one week that is mostly plastic and one week that is mostly blisters and the two releases are 2 weeks apart.

Who knows, maybe the psyker is a plastic multi-part kit like the WFB wizards and SM commander.

True, they might be increasing his loadout options and/or role in the Guard army.

Perhaps it's not a plastic psyker kit and instead its a $15 psyker special character who's really (x2) good and a must-take in every IG army--I'm thinking rules somewhere near a 3++, Eternal Warrior, and re-deploying D6 enemy units before the game--even though he's the only Psyker allowed to act as an IG general in the entire 41st millennium!

No, that new psyker gets some special new psychic power where in any psychic phase both players roll a dice and on a 2+ the guard player wins the game.

Most likely no random powers that are slightly more powerful than those of the current psyker.

dietrich wrote:Looking at the past several releases, GW generally does one week that is mostly plastic and one week that is mostly blisters and the two releases are 2 weeks apart.

Who knows, maybe the psyker is a plastic multi-part kit like the WFB wizards and SM commander.

if this is true

ZOMG CONVERSIONS!!!

Shouldn't we already have seen all the new units by now? I mean, they'll be released in what, two month and we have seen nothing? There must be a second wave with lots of minis or the guard players around the world got seriously bent over. I'm thinking ork style second wave here...

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Schepp himself

Schepp himself wrote:Shouldn't we already have seen all the new units by now? I mean, they'll be released in what, two month and we have seen nothing? There must be a second wave with lots of minis or the guard players around the world got seriously bent over. I'm thinking ork style second wave here...

Personally, my money is on "IG got screwed again". I don't believe we'll get nearly as much new stuff as has been speculated, nor will it be nearly as good as it should.

may is 4 months away. I think i read somewhere that GW is using a 3 month preview/rumour window now, instead of the previous 6 month window. It certainly seems that way. My bet is we'll have a deluge of info at the start of march

Wasn't the russ getting an all in one box? what happened to the all plastic hellhound?

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Schepp himself wrote:Shouldn't we already have seen all the new units by now? I mean, they'll be released in what, two month and we have seen nothing? There must be a second wave with lots of minis or the guard players around the world got seriously bent over. I'm thinking ork style second wave here...

Personally, my money is on "IG got screwed again". I don't believe we'll get nearly as much new stuff as has been speculated, nor will it be nearly as good as it should.

Ah, I love the sight of pessimism, give you hope doesn't it?

BrookM wrote:Remember, the world is larger than just Topeka Kansas in regards to how many Guard players field Catachan models.

Catachans were my first plastics in the hobby and still dear to my heart, horrible scaling and muscular arms aside. I think they deserve a plastic command squad as much as the Cadians, this might just be GW trying to breathe new life into their Catachan range for all we know. Besides, we might get a Captain J. Rambo who allows you to field an army of Stallone-crazed jungle stalkers.

But my point still stands. They don't need a recut sprue, taking up valuable resources from newer, better sculpted projects for the IG. They already have a box and heavy teams. Why the effort to recut them into sprues/boxes of 10, when there wasn't really a pressing need (hobby-wise)? Catachan players would still have their beloved rambos, and they could get a command squad in metal. Be honest, given their niche, why do they really need a full new plastic kit? The massive Catachan fan club could easily be supported in a much, much more cost effective way, and as a result, free up resources to release new minis for IG players.

It's the questionable use of resource distribution that has me scratching my head.

With regard to your Topeka Kansas quip, I play in NYC. There is one of the largest concentrations of 40k and fantasy gamers in the entire US in this city. Additionally, I've played a lot in Baltimore at the bunker, and every month or so when travelling to Los Angeles at the Westminster and in Santa Monica. There certainly are not a lot of catachan armies in these circles. Again, this is personal anecdote, and I'm not saying that people don't play (or deserve to play) catachans. It's just a weird decision to resuscitate the line in lieu of overwhelming gamer desire to have plastic greatcoats. They could have easily supported both in an effective way.

Shep wrote:For every 'the matrix was cool' greatcoat guardsman out there, there is at least one 'first blood was cool' jungle guardsman hiding in the 'green'

I personally feel that, stylistically, greatcoats are a little bit played out. I think a retro turn to jungle warfare is hip, from an artistic point of view.

Spoken by a guy who has a Vostroyan as his avatar. Greatcoats seem FAR from played out. First, how many can you actually buy? Either crazy expensive FW Krieg, or old timey Valhallans or Steel legion. They can't really be played out when there hasn't been a new release for them in some time. Second, there is a lot of historical precedence in wearing greatcoats among armed services in the world. The Imperial Guard is, at its essence, supposed to be a 40k version of those types of historical antecedents. GW has said as much, many, many times. Catachans, and Cadians, for that matter, do not portray that lineage in any real way. As such, it makes sense to include a plastic set of them (beyond the extensive pining from guard players).

Plastic People wrote:I am a Catachan player. I think their models have more character then most of the other models out there. The regular Cadians show no character, they are just cut and paste infantry. Nothing special or exciting about them. They did a good job at pulling off jungle fighters with the Catachans and they have a great backstory. I am sure there are plenty more Catachan players out there. We are just hiding.

Again, my point is not to dismiss that some players choose to play catachans. My point is that the use of resources is odd, as Catachans already have everything they need, and could have been rounded out with a few blister packs, instead of committing to create two new sets of plastic sprues for a force/faction that simply doesn't sell in any great numbers. People who want to play their rambos should be able to- nobody here wants to take it away from you. (Hell, I'd like GW to someday add the few Vostroyans that players need in order to play with certain special weapons. That would be useful and only require that they half convert an existing fig to hold the missing weapon choices. NOT HARD for GW to do, yet they haven't and probably won't)

I just think it makes more sense to expand the Imperial Guard range rather than revisit such old sculpts. I'd even be ok (sort of) with the Catachan thing if they were ALL NEW SCULPTS. That might be kind of awesome. But to recycle the old timers, and raise prices on them as well, is kind of dumb.

I would prefer to buy one box and get a full squad than have to buy 4 boxes to make 3 squads. Plus it allows for stealth price increases...

Ozymandias, King of Kings

LittleLeadMen wrote:Again, my point is not to dismiss that some players choose to play catachans. My point is that the use of resources is odd, as Catachans already have everything they need, and could have been rounded out with a few blister packs, instead of committing to create two new sets of plastic sprues for force that simply doesn't sell in any great numbers. People who want to play their rambos should be able to- nobody here wants to take it away from you.

By this logic, why release anything for Cadians? The Catachans never had a metal command squad box like Cadians did, never had metal special weapons(except Snipers) that fit in with the newer plastic style(you can tell the difference easily between the old metal and newer plastics, my Catachan army is made up of a mix), and only have a single special weapon option in the plastic kit(flamer v Cadian's Flamer/GL). By your logic(Already having everything they need), Catachans are more fitting for getting new stuff than Cadians.

That said, I've seen more Catachan armies than Cadian armies in the Southern USA(that may say something, don't know), especially around LA and MS.

I need me some Valkries

Well, for one thing, Cadians FAR outsell Catachans as far as box sets go. So it makes sense to release NEW things for them. Second, Cadians have been adopted by GW (for better or worse) as the proto-typical guard army. They got featured extensively in the book, and they're pretty much all we ever see when it's time to represent the Imperial Guard from the game company.

Third, the Cadians are already old sculpts. They were released with the old guard book, which is already from 2003. That's already fairly old, game life-span wise. It will be mid 2009 when the new Guard book is released. It would seem appropriate to release new sculpts for the army. Cadians are the guard archetype currently. So GW should give them their missing command squad. They should also include some of the other special weapon options in that kit to round out those missing on the general troop frame.

But Catachans are far older models. They look it, especially when compared to current miniatures production standards. I have no objection with still selling the existing line. My objection lies in re-cutting the sprues and creating a new command squad for them. It's got extremely limited selling appeal. As such, it doesn't seem that important. Additionally, if GW was going to go through the trouble of re-issuing the Catachans, this would be the perfect opportunity to actually correct them, and resculpt the kit for a new generation. Why reissue the same low quality sculpts, with misproportioned anatomy? The NEED to re-issue the old sculpts on a new frame is the objection, not the selling of Catachans.

It seems to me that the best course of action would be to either create new Catachans for the new sprue, or simply leave the line as is, and use those resources for Greatcoat guard. My preference (clearly) is for greatcoats, mainly because it expands the number of modelling options for Guard players, while leaving all of the previous choices relatively intact.

LittleLeadMen wrote:Well, for one thing, Cadians FAR outsell Catachans as far as box sets go. So it makes sense to release NEW things for them. Second, Cadians have been adopted by GW (for better or worse) as the proto-typical guard army. They got featured extensively in the book, and they're pretty much all we ever see when it's time to represent the Imperial Guard from the game company.

Where are the sales figures to prove this? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying this is speculation on your part since there's no proof one way or there other available to us.

It's not speculation on my part at all. The general managers at 2 GW stores, and one Battle Bunker, as well as two friends that run indy stores in LA and NYC have said as much when I questioned them about it. The breakdown on Cadian vs Catachan is pretty nuts, for some stores it comes in close to 10 to 1. Catachans are old. The sculpts look it. And the desire to play Rambo-influenced guardsmen has waned a bit since its heyday in the late 1990's.

Even if you don't believe me, think about your own gaming circles. How many Guard armies do you see? Then take that number and break it down by constituent factions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most gamers are not going to claim some sort of Catachan oasis where they outnumber any of the other guard armies, let alone warrant the revisit. Maybe if GW gave us NEW sculpts for basic troopers, but that isn't happening.

LittleLeadMen wrote:Even if you don't believe me, think about your own gaming circles. How many Guard armies do you see? Then take that number and break it down by constituent factions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most gamers are not going to claim some sort of Catachan oasis where they outnumber any of the other guard armies, let alone warrant the revisit.

Platuan4th wrote:That said, I've seen more Catachan armies than Cadian armies in the Southern USA(that may say something, don't know), especially around LA and MS.

LittleLeadMen wrote:

Shep wrote:For every 'the matrix was cool' greatcoat guardsman out there, there is at least one 'first blood was cool' jungle guardsman hiding in the 'green'

I personally feel that, stylistically, greatcoats are a little bit played out. I think a retro turn to jungle warfare is hip, from an artistic point of view.

Spoken by a guy who has a Vostroyan as his avatar. Greatcoats seem FAR from played out. First, how many can you actually buy? Either crazy expensive FW Krieg, or old timey Valhallans or Steel legion. They can't really be played out when there hasn't been a new release for them in some time. Second, there is a lot of historical precedence in wearing greatcoats among armed services in the world. The Imperial Guard is, at its essence, supposed to be a 40k version of those types of historical antecedents. GW has said as much, many, many times. Catachans, and Cadians, for that matter, do not portray that lineage in any real way. As such, it makes sense to include a plastic set of them (beyond the extensive pining from guard players).

I didn't mean that greatcoat guardsmen are played out. I meant that in popular culture, the use of the greatcoat to indicate that a person is "cool" is certainly played out. Keanu Reeves in The Matrix, Neil Patrick harris in Starship Troopers, Michael Biehn in The Terminator. I mean to say that the counter culture of "I don't care how hot it is. I'm wearing this to 'freak people out'" Is done. In contrast, The newest Rambo movie, Tropic Thunder, Rescue Dawn all feel a lot more 'fresh' to me.

Let's just leave the discussion at, as much as you think death korps of krieg are cool, I think they are a tired 'post-nazi' future soldier rehash.


As to your assertion that GW is wasting time. A recut (and possible reshaping of the arms) of an existing plastic kit is not much in comparison with developing a new kit. It really shouldn't be thought of as taking the place of something else. There are plenty of outspoken trench-coaters on the internet that make a lot of noise about wanting their plastic kit. But as this thread has demonstrated, there are still plenty of death-worlders belly crawling through the muck, ready for their fresh new models.

There is also the possibility of guardsmen wearing nightshirts. Hmm, I think this could satisfy a lot of GW customers. let me set the scene....

"It's a hot night. The mind races. You think about your knife; the only friend who hasn't betrayed you, the only friend who won't be dead by sun up. Sleep tight, mates, in your quilted Chambray nightshirts."

But again, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you look at overall GW sales (at least in GW stores), you'll see that the largest concentrations of gamers are not in the South. They are in the northeast corridor of the US, and in the mid-west.

Shep wrote:Let's just leave the discussion at, as much as you think death korps of krieg are cool, I think they are a tired 'post-nazi' future soldier rehash. As to your assertion that GW is wasting time. A recut (and possible reshaping of the arms) of an existing plastic kit is not much in comparison with developing a new kit. It really shouldn't be thought of as taking the place of something else.

I appreciate your comments, but just to close out here.... First, there seems to be a lot of wrong comparisons re: Krieg here. I'm not asking for krieg, I'm asking for greatcoats, which are not exactly the same thing. Second, as per the "tired post-nazi future soldier rehash", that's kind of the entire point. That's what the guard are supposed to be. Even Jes Goodwin's original sketches for IG reflect that. Catachans are really a product line response to a short period of time where Rambo was seen as cool; so they were faddishly added.

Third, as much as its nice to say that "It really shouldn't be thought of as taking the place of something else.", this product does, in fact, take the place of something else. Design choices are made, resources are allocated, and specific products are released, always in lieu of other potential products. GW has outrightly said that the plastic sprue process is expensive and time consuming, even in the case of recuts. It's one of the reasons why we see limited releases every year. Only so many can be done, due to time and money.

Again, going back to my main point- Catachans are fine for those that like them. There already exists a plastic kit. A few metal additions would more than suffice to cover the gamer perceived "need" of which elements are missing in that current product line. It would seem, to me, at least, that the opportunity to release new sculpts and expand the IG line has more merit than re-releasing sculpts that are nearly a decade old.

One thing to keep in mind, there is a "stealth market" for Catachans, which is Necromunda players.

bubber wrote:'
Hi guys, here is what we've heard regarding the first week of IG releases in May. I'm certain there will be much more coming later in the month.


IG Codex $25
IG Primaris Psyker $15
IG Ratling Snipers $20
IG Sentinel $25
IG Cadian Command Squad $25
IG Catachan Command Squad $25
IG Valkyrie $50
IG Cadian Shock Troops $22
IG Catachan Jungle Fighters $22

~Standard caveats apply, and no guarantees on these prices. Still though, those $22 Cadian/Catachan prices would seem to mesh with the earlier rumors of those kits being repackaged into 10 man squads with a heavy weapon squad included. Do you guys see that Valkyrie on the list? Pretty cool! I expect Jwolf is already weeping tears of joy and practising his "Flight of the Valkyries" humming.'

Yawn...


With a list like that, don't bother.

Where is the new FOTM regiment? These guys are so three years ago.

Why do some of you still want plastic greatcoat IG? There's already Krieg. I have some and love 'em. It's not like the different design is enough to warrant a full plastic release.

The other Guard variants are the same. Want Tallarn IG? Sorry, metals and FW. Want near-future Halo ODST troopers? Elysians are FW. Didn't get in the initial splash release for Vostroyans? Direct order only. Same thing with greatcoat. Get 'em from FW.

stonefox wrote:Why do some of you still want plastic greatcoat IG? There's already Krieg. I have some and love 'em. It's not like the different design is enough to warrant a full plastic release.

The other Guard variants are the same. Want Tallarn IG? Sorry, metals and FW. Want near-future Halo ODST troopers? Elysians are FW. Didn't get in the initial splash release for Vostroyans? Direct order only. Same thing with greatcoat. Get 'em from FW.

FW are so expensive though.

they are like 50% more expensive then their GW counter parts, and no 30% discount either.
FW models looks amazing though, cant deny that.

So the real question is, why not hire FW sculptors -_-

bubber wrote:'
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IG Codex $25
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I know there's no promise on the prices but didn't all codex books go up to the $30 Space Marine level?

Neil wrote:One thing to keep in mind, there is a "stealth market" for Catachans, which is Necromunda players.

And previously, lost and the damned.

I remember buying 4+ boxes of catachans just to convert as mutants...

privateer4hire wrote:

bubber wrote:'
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IG Codex $25
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I know there's no promise on the prices but didn't all codex books go up to the $30 Space Marine level?

I think the SM Codex has a higher price because of its larger page-count.

bubber wrote:'
I know there's no promise on the prices but didn't all codex books go up to the $30 Space Marine level?

No that's only for the exceptionaly large codex's like the new Marine one. I expect most codexes to float around $25

stonefox wrote:Why do some of you still want plastic greatcoat IG? There's already Krieg. I have some and love 'em. It's not like the different design is enough to warrant a full plastic release.

The other Guard variants are the same. Want Tallarn IG? Sorry, metals and FW. Want near-future Halo ODST troopers? Elysians are FW. Didn't get in the initial splash release for Vostroyans? Direct order only. Same thing with greatcoat. Get 'em from FW.

GW would see a gazillion of DKoK models if theyd only sell em directly at a reasonable price.
Hell, Id buy some and Ive been staying away from the hobby for years.

While FW produces some VERY nice stuff, its just not as affordable to some here as it might be to others.

It seems like it would be totally awesome, but to me it looks like it stems out of some weird novelty factor because it's ONLY available through FW so far. Like OMGOMG CHECK OUT THOSE KRIEG OMG IF ONLY THEY WERE IN PLASTIC!!1

If GW were to get rid of Cadians as the primary IG look, everyone would have DKOK and it will seem awesome - for a while. But then these people would get bored and they'd want their near-future sci-fi guys back because everyone else has trenchcoat guard and they're just not that special-looking anymore. During that time you'd get people complaining that Cadians are direct-order only.

I really don't know how many times or ways it needs to be said for everyone to understand it...

Plastic Greatcoats does not equal Krieg.

Yes, Krieg have long coats. But so do Valhallans, Steel legion, and Vostroyans. So do the models and pictures featured in the original conception art work from Jes Goodwin.

That makes FIVE possible types of Guardsmen that wear greatcoats. How many are available in plastic? Zero. it's not some weird novelty to want them, it stems from the fact that the only greatcoat guard figs are in metal, and of those lines, the Vostroyans are missing figs to round out the series, and the others are exceptionally old and look it. An opportunity to update these with plastic would seem appropriate given that a new Codex is the perfect time to expand a miniatures range.

Steel legion don't have great coats, excepting some of the officers.

As perfect as the time may be...there have been no green sculpts seen in the US or the UK to support that in the least bit. The "Great Coat" guard have been rumored EVERY IG Release for what?...the past 5+ years easily? Since the battle for Armageddon(Steel Legion released than)people have been clamoring for them and the rumor wheel always give them a spin but, sadly, there is nothing to support that GW will release them any time soon.
Having said all that I would love to get plastic "Great coat" Guard in some form...I do not even care which one. Give me Valhallans for all I care

Janthkin wrote:Steel legion don't have great coats, excepting some of the officers.

To echo this... Vostroyans and steel legion need to be excepted from this greatcoat discussion. Those aren't greatcoats.

What we are talking about is essentially Valhallans and DKoK. DKoK have exceptional models already available if you want them bad enough, and although Valhallans could be redone in plastic, it is just as viable for GW to focus on Catachans instead. Either way they go, they'll be pissing someone off. Catachans are the path of least resistance because it will take less effort and money to produce a recut and possibly slightly resculpted set.

I'm sorry that you are disappointed about what is being released LLM.

Nope. IIRC

Space Marine Codex is £18, Chaos Daemons is £15. Dark Elves is £15.

LittleLeadMen wrote:I really don't know how many times or ways it needs to be said for everyone to understand it...

Plastic Greatcoats does not equal Krieg.

Yes, Krieg have long coats. But so do Valhallans, Steel legion, and Vostroyans. So do the models and pictures featured in the original conception art work from Jes Goodwin.

That makes FIVE possible types of Guardsmen that wear greatcoats. How many are available in plastic? Zero. it's not some weird novelty to want them, it stems from the fact that the only greatcoat guard figs are in metal, and of those lines, the Vostroyans are missing figs to round out the series, and the others are exceptionally old and look it. An opportunity to update these with plastic would seem appropriate given that a new Codex is the perfect time to expand a miniatures range.

Yes I read your earlier rant. What makes greatcoats so great that they need an "expanded" range in plastic? Oh what's that, I need to buy FW/metals to get IG with turbans and desert wear? Oh, I need to buy FW to get IG with futuristic guns, jetpacks, and armor? Oh man I love 'em so much I believe GW would be a fool to not make them in plastic b/c they'd sell so many!! Any of those IG fashion variants can also possibly be done in plastic but they're not. So suck it up and buy metal or FW to get your coveted greatcoats.

edit: btw here's something fun to do with greatcoats

Shep wrote:Also, keep in mind the possibility that with platoon wide special rules, GW may be encouraging you to buy cadians for standard platoons, and catachans to represent infiltrating platoons. Or they could be used to represent veteran platoons. Having at least two different model sets will help people who aren't interested in heavy converting/counts as to represent the unique platoon upgrades their army has.

That is a good thought. The Catachans could be intended to represent Veterans as well as the Deathworld Jungle Fighters. If the models look better than the current ones they will make great Vets. Especially if the kit comes with shotguns.

I also don't get the obsession on the internet with Greatcoat Guard. They could look amazing, but there has never been a credible rumor concerning this. Just rampant wish listing treated as fact.

GW is finishing and complementing their existing lines first, which is a good thing. If the sprues or certain parts get updated, even better. Plus these new kits will offer everyone, not just Catachan players new parts to convert and whatnot with.

The greatcoat Guard plastics are as old as the plastic Baneblade rumours. For all we know they might be a 3rd or 4th wave release around 2011 or 2012.

Come to think of it, you know what would be better than greatcoat guard and really sell a fragton?

Imperial Guard with boobs.

BrookM wrote:The greatcoat Guard plastics are as old as the plastic Baneblade rumours. For all we know they might be a 3rd or 4th wave release around 2011 or 2012.

Well maybe not that long.

Brimstone wrote:

BrookM wrote:The greatcoat Guard plastics are as old as the plastic Baneblade rumours. For all we know they might be a 3rd or 4th wave release around 2011 or 2012.

Well maybe not that long.

Who knows? Next year we might see the revamped Russ and Chimera that GW keeps showing the CAD's of on Games Days.

Personally I'd rather see Mordian/Praetorian plastics first.

I'd also like to see Mordian plastics, but I know that puts me very much in a tiny tiny minority.

I'd just like to see some concrete IG info for May. And some serious Codex leaks. How much longer before we're in the three month window?

Feb 2nd.

It can't come soon enough.

No kidding. I've been doing well with my guard so far, but have yet to get into a real fight with them where kill points were an issue. Thought I was run up on that reef once, but by turn three it was all over but the bedamned.

Plastic command squads and recut cadians and catachans make perfect sense- they let the vast majority of guard players who have armies flesh out their forces to fit the new book- and fill any new options that would be covered on such sprues... those who are all metal/resin are left in their current situation- while the 2 "main" guard forces at the moment get their range made plastic (as the current trend is for armies)

You don't like catachans? Thats your opinion, but there are enough people who do to warrent it being made in plastic, and you never know there may be improvements

Secondly... greatcoats- it wouldn't make sense to release them at the same time as new cadian/catachan stuff- if they do come they will be futher down the line when they can get their own limelight as oppose to having to share it with new cadian/catachan stuff, recut models. valkraies and the other cool stuff coming out (tis not a complete list there btw- thats week 1 of 2)

To the anti-Catachan person: Chill, you don't pay for the production so no need to whine about GW wasting resources.

Doesnt it feel like there are atleast more Witch Hunters compared to Catachans??

plastic SOBs please!

GW has launched a new plastic line of Guard infantry with each edition:
- 3E gave us plastic Catachans
- 4E gave us plastic Cadians

It is disappointing that we're not getting a new line of plastic Guard infantry for 5E.

Greatcoat Guard (i.e. plastic Krieg) would be simply awesome as *the* Wave 2 release for 5E.

They've also done a lot less for guard with each of those previous releases. I think between the highly probable plastic storm troopers and the Valkyrie that's as much if not more than the equivalent effort put into either of those releases. When I look at all the stuff IG will actually get with this edition I'm happy that they've put as much effort as they have and that what we would be getting would've been diminished if a new guard infantry box had been made.

Yeah I think they are simply trying to, finally, flush out what the current line is/will be. That is why we are getting plastic Stormtroopers, Ratling Snipers and new Ogryn. Am I wrong about the Ogryn? I don't remember right now if we are getting new models for those guys....having said that I would like to reiterate what was said earlier in the thread. New Guard book is great for IG players everywhere but if you are starting guard, get the 20 man boxes now. Since starting my IG I am now up to...

140 Plastic Cadians
Leman Russ
2 Chimera
5 Sentinels
9 heavy weapon teams
Now the only things that I might regret are the Sentinels(got em VERY cheap from some friends)...see? See what I did? Bought stuff that won't be recut/replaced If your considering guard..stock up while they are cheaper.

I might be the only one who feels this way, but I think the current Cadian line makes a perfect generic Imperial Guard line. Catachans are good for bits...

I also thoroughly love the occasional metal range. I'm not sure what greatcoat plastics would add except to cheapen the existing special lines.

It will add a new "feel" to the IG but that's about it. LIke you said...the current line makes great generic IG. catachans make great veterans(as does Necromunda gangs) and the Cadians are just fine

livingregret wrote: Yeah I think they are simply trying to, finally, flush out what the current line is/will be. That is why we are getting plastic Stormtroopers, Ratling Snipers and new Ogryn. Am I wrong about the Ogryn? I don't remember right now if we are getting new models for those guys....having said that I would like to reiterate what was said earlier in the thread. New Guard book is great for IG players everywhere but if you are starting guard, get the 20 man boxes now. Since starting my IG I am now up to...

140 Plastic Cadians
Leman Russ
2 Chimera
5 Sentinels
9 heavy weapon teams
Now the only things that I might regret are the Sentinels(got em VERY cheap from some friends)...see? See what I did? Bought stuff that won't be recut/replaced If your considering guard..stock up while they are cheaper.

For those of you with current guard armies who have read these rumors, what do you feel would be the best combo of boxes to buy from the current lineup and the future lineup? Like buy only cadian 20-man squads and 3-team heavy weapons boxes or a mix of those and the 10-man + 1 HW team boxes to get the optimal number of both (say that you want even numbered HW teams or so which is why I ask from people who have read the rumors). Assume that the LR, Sentinel, and Chimera prices don't change.

aka_mythos wrote:I think between the highly probable plastic storm troopers and the Valkyrie that's as much if not more than the equivalent effort put into either of those releases.

When I look at all the stuff IG will actually get with this edition I'm happy that they've put as much effort as they have

what we would be getting would've been diminished if a new guard infantry box had been made.

Yeah, I'm happy to see the Valks in this release, and I guess that Storms could be counted as similar to the previous infantry. Although the plastic Storms are something of a dead end, as they don't expand out with Command or Heavy Weapons, nor require matched Rough Riders / tank crew.

I'm also happy with the Valks, and will be buying a set of 3. But I'd like to get a better look at the plastic model.

For not a lot of money, GW could have done a Black Templars-like Krieg conversion set for the Cadians. New Greatcoat legs and Gasmask heads with some new bitz would be easy, and sell like hotcakes.

stonefox wrote:For those of you with current guard armies who have read these rumors, what do you feel would be the best combo of boxes to buy from the current lineup and the future lineup?

I'm not quite sure I understand the question.

Most of us with current Guard armies probably have 100-200 Guardsmen of various types, along with a half-dozen Tanks of various types. Some of us will have quite a bit more, and a few somewhat less.

So there generally won't be a need to buy much of anything unless there's a major reduction in overall unit costs.

However, assuming Guard do get some kind of usable points cost reduction, I suspect those points would be re-spent on mobility (Drop Troops upgrades & Chimera models), along with useful things like Cameoline.

If odd-ball units become competitive, then I could see players spending for Ogryns, Ratlings, and Conscripts for simple variety's sake.

Well let me try to rephrase the question: consider the rumored drop in points of the basic guardsman and the rumors of whatever they're gonna do with heavy weapons teams and/or the platoon system. Would it be more prudent for a new IG player to buy all the current heavy and 20-man boxes so he could have as many heavies as possible or buy some of those to get a bunch of heavies and in addition also go for the future repackaged set for more men with not as many heavies?

I ask because you guys would be the ones who'd know more about the optimal number of heavies in an army list and would make the most use of what scant rumors are available.

I'm guessing that when you say "those points would be re-spent on mobility (Drop Troops upgrades & Chimera models), along with useful things like Cameoline" that this means there won't be much need for more overall bodies so a new IG player would be better served with just buying all the current boxes?

Well, I'm wondering the same thing myself. I think stocking up on a few boxes of basic Cadians isn't a bad idea right now. If the new box has all the weapons in it, you can use the bits with extra bodies. If not, the heavies will still be available. If the heavy weapon teams expand to 10 men, then the extra bodies will be useful, and the command squad boxes will no doubt be laden with bitz that'll be useful.

I look at it like this: Good ork armies are now built around at least 4 full mobs of boys on foot (or the same number in wagons and trukks), Space marine lists are now often built around 4 tactical squads, so it makes sense that IG will be built around 4 infantry platoons. If you can drop 8 line squads, that's a good start. I'd assume that heavy weapon squads will be at least as big then as now, so I'd make sure to have 2 Anti-tank and 2 fire support squads. Beyond that, I have no idea.

The real question I have is if I should start stocking up on 3rd edition (tusken raider style) storm trooper specials, as I currently have 4 of each for squads. If they up the special count to 4, I'm going to need to get some more.

stonefox wrote:Would it be more prudent for a new IG player to buy all the current heavy and 20-man boxes so he could have as many heavies as possible or buy some of those to get a bunch of heavies and in addition also go for the future repackaged set for more men with not as many heavies?

Oh, got it.

The big problem is not knowing what will be in the new IG squad box, specifically which Heavy weapon(s?), and which Specials. If you get lucky, and it includes multiple Heavies that you were planning to build your army around, then you're in good shape. If not, you have a problem because you're paying more per model and throwing away the bitz you don't want.

So the question is what will be in the IG squad box. I'm guessing a full suite of Specials, ML, and (maybe) Mortar, as these are relatively smaller and easier to fit on the sprue. I don't think that GW will include the Lascannon, HB, or Autocannon, as the weapons are larger and require the weapon chassis. But you never know...

Anyhow, given this, I'd buy at least 1 Cadian Battleforce, maybe 2. It's not an awesome deal, due to the ruins replacing models, but getting 3 boxes of stuff isn't terrible for the money. You get 20 dudes and a Heavy Weapon box, so you will have weapons options. I'm a low risk kind of guy, so that's why my choice is this way.

If I were just buying squad boxes, I might buy 20 or 40 dudes, planning to buy the 5E Cadian Battleforce, which should remove the ruins.

stonefox wrote:I'm guessing that when you say "those points would be re-spent on mobility (Drop Troops upgrades & Chimera models), along with useful things like Cameoline" that this means there won't be much need for more overall bodies so a new IG player would be better served with just buying all the current boxes?

Once you have 100 Guardsmen, you probably have enough to start:
5 HQ Command (5)
2x 3 Lascannons / MLs (12)
2x 3 Autocannons / HBs (12)
3 Mortars (6)

2x 5 Platoon Command (10)
2x 2x 10 Platoon squads (40)

That's 35 HQ models, 50 Troops, leaving 15 for 3x 5 Veterans.

To build this, you'll need at least 2 Heavy weapons boxes plus another 4 boxes of 20 Guardsmen. If you cut down on the Heavy squads, you can cut a heavy box, and just have more Platoon squads.


When the new Codex arrives, plan to mechanize a Platoon.


Regardless, no matter what you do, a couple boxes of dudes (40 Guardsmen) will always be useful to start.


Obviously, Guard ain't for the light of wallet!
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Polonius wrote:I think stocking up on a few boxes of basic Cadians isn't a bad idea right now. If the new box has all the weapons in it, you can use the bits with extra bodies. If not, the heavies will still be available. If the heavy weapon teams expand to 10 men, then the extra bodies will be useful, and the command squad boxes will no doubt be laden with bitz that'll be useful.

Generally agreed. You can nearly always use more dudes with Lasguns to bulk things out.

Polonius wrote:Good ork armies are now built around at least 4 full mobs of boys on foot (or the same number in wagons and trukks), Space marine lists are now often built around 4 tactical squads, so it makes sense that IG will be built around 4 infantry platoons.

IMO, that's probably overload. Orks and SM are based on having a minimum of 4 Scoring units. So that would be met by 1 Platoon and 1 AF squad. Or Grenadiers. I think 2 moderate Platoons (or 3 minimum Platoons) should be sufficient.

Polonius wrote:The real question I have is if I should start stocking up on 3rd edition (tusken raider style) storm trooper specials, as I currently have 4 of each for squads. If they up the special count to 4, I'm going to need to get some more.

I haven't heard of this rumor. I'd expect Storms to hold at 2 Specials per squad (like Inquisition), and expect Veterans to be somewhat more restricted in weapons allowance.

Of course, those models are awesome, so you should get more!

I'm pretty psyched for the plastic Storm Troopers, particularly if they are kasrkin style, as they can easily represent heavier Cadian-style troopers, as well as storm troopers. The bits are not so different from the mainline cadians, and they could be used to bulk up command squads, or in the event that one special character has a "carapace armor" rule for the army.

At this point, I'm not sure about everyone else, but I am waiting to hear a final line-up for the Guard codex rumors, and the releases we'll be seeing this May. The stuff they posted on BoLS sounded great, but I was personally still looking forward to the recut LemanRuss/Demolisher, the Chimera/Hellhound, Commissar Lord, and soem new Special Charcters or redos of the current line.

We just need some damn confirmation now!

plastic stormtroopers in second wave guard

Source? Or just random statement?

Thanks for the insight Pol and DD. Would you say that even though you practically get a half-off unit from a battleforce that it'll be worth it? The rumors suggest a recut LR with more options. Or did you mean that I should get the 5th edition battleforce?

It's gonna be odd using a mixed regiment of Krieg, Elysians (for drop troops) and Cadians. Not since my cousin and uncle's 2nd edition armies have I seen a mixed uniform IG army.

Scotty: random post is random

If you're waiting for great coats to get into IG, you're gonna be waiting a long time. Yeah it would be great if they made them, but I would much rather see GW "finish" the current ones meaning Catchatan and Cadians, and it looks like that is what they are doing. If you think the current ones are ugly and don't deserve an update, then you're just silly in the head. Lots and lots of people have those models and therefore it makes more sense for GW to finish what they started. Even though it's more expensive in the end I like the idea of the 10 man boxes for the squads with heavy weapons. It's just easier to build units that way. As long as the sprues come with the bitz for all the options meaning every special weapon so you don't have to buy the blisters of 2 metal guys if you want plasma or melta guns. So all you should need is 2 boxes of men and 1 command squad box to make a platoon, and you will have enough bitz to have each of your units have virtually any weapon combo out there. I'd also like to see them release a platoon box set that has 2 units plus the command squad for a reduced cost. Maybe $60 (or less ) instead of $69.

I would really love it if they would recut the sprues in such a way that will allow you to easily mix & match. Bodies and legs separate like now. Each gun arm separate without the hand on the barrel, like the way marines are. Then it would be easy to, say, put out a "mordian upgrade kit" where maybe it's just got bodies and gun arms with the little shoulder thingies, but you use cadian legs. Or have sprues of trench coat legs & gas mask heads that you would swap with cadian legs to make death korps. It would just be cool if they could have the cadians and catchatans as the main armies and design the sprues so they would be modular enough to just make upgrade kits for the other kinds of guard armies out there.

stonefox wrote:Thanks for the insight Pol and DD. Would you say that even though you practically get a half-off unit from a battleforce that it'll be worth it? The rumors suggest a recut LR with more options. Or did you mean that I should get the 5th edition battleforce?

It's gonna be odd using a mixed regiment of Krieg, Elysians (for drop troops) and Cadians. Not since my cousin and uncle's 2nd edition armies have I seen a mixed uniform IG army.

Sadly the rumor for the recut LR has somewhat died out as of late but that means little. As for getting a half-off unit in a Battleforce, that is pretty standard GW procedure. The only box this is an incredible steal both points and cost wise is the Necron box that gives you 738pts. BUT the Battleforce is a great start for the fact that you get 20 guys, 3 heavy weapons and a Leman Russ. All 3 are things that make it's way into most guard armies.

Mixing regiments shouldn't be that weird though. Reading the fluff...most battles are fought along side other IG units and therefore you have mixed units engaging the same enemy. I plan to slowly incorporate either Catachans or Necromunda gangs for my Vets/Conscripts. W/ some slight conversions they can all fit in together.

Funny talking about how many IG I have...I realize that I still need a few more. I will most likely pick up 2-3 more boxes of just Cadians w/ a few Chimera. Why? Because I enjoy using Troop Choices

stonefox wrote:Would you say that even though you practically get a half-off unit from a battleforce that it'll be worth it? The rumors suggest a recut LR with more options. Or did you mean that I should get the 5th edition battleforce?

It's gonna be odd using a mixed regiment of Krieg, Elysians (for drop troops) and Cadians. Not since my cousin and uncle's 2nd edition armies have I seen a mixed uniform IG army.

Not having a magic crystal ball into the future has its downsides.

The current Cadian Battleforce is quite playable. To be "perfect", GW would replace the Ruins with a Sentinel. Or a Chimera. I hope that would be the default 5E Battleforce configuration. But nobody knows, yet.

A standard Guard army can use every model in the Cadian Battleforce (aside from the Ruins). You might do somewhat better with the 5E boxes, but it's hard to count on.

Not knowing, I'd guess that the recut LR is wave 2, but we won't know about that for another month or two. Same with any reconfigured Battleforce box.

I have a lot already on my plate, so I'd probably wait it out to see the new Guard releases before committing to any new army. But if I were getting into IG brand new, I'd buy at least 2 (possibly *3*) Cadian Battleforces. That would give me a couple Russes, along with 50+ dudes and enough heavy weapons to get started.

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Necros wrote:If you're waiting for great coats to get into IG, you're gonna be waiting a long time.

I like the idea of the 10 man boxes for the squads with heavy weapons.

It would just be cool if they could have the cadians and catchatans as the main armies and design the sprues so they would be modular enough to just make upgrade kits for the other kinds of guard armies out there.

Yeah, we know. Still, do want Greatcoat Gasmask Guard!

IMO, you should think *single* heavy weapon, not multiple heavy weapons. That would be more consistent with the basic SM Tacticals and CSM boxes.

Isn't that pretty much what I asked for? Greatcoat legs and Gasmask heads as upgrades to the Cadians?

It doesn't really matter to me what Army/Armies are released, I already have every Army type of Guard ever made, just give me reasonably priced stuff to add to my collection. If you don't like the stuff don't buy it.

I will be buying some of the new Baneblade variants, a Valk or two, and more troops. I would like to see a new Character or two.

The reason that 3 Battleforces, or at least 1 + More infantry boxes, is recommended is that in the current Codex you need 55 guys to fill out your basic troop choices if you don't take a Armoured Fist Squad
1 Hq(5 guys)
2 Troop Choices(2 5 man squads + 40 Guys)

55 Guys. 3 Battleforces will give you 60 + the 3 Leman Russ you will use in some amount.

Personally I'm hoping for a slightly reconfigured battle force that has the new plastic command squad included along with two squads of recut infantry, giving you a real troops choice in form of a full infantry platoon paired with say, a Russ and new Sentinel.

I agree....actually giving us at least one troop choice in the battleforce would be very nice. A new recut sentinel would also fit. Considering that most Battleforces either save you on box or gives you a box at half off....
2 Cadian Troops $44
1 Command $25
1 Sentinel $25
that's only $94 while the box would be 90$. So maybe a heavy weapon squad as well? Or keep w/ the russ and the box would come to around $115's. That seems a little more in line w/ how they battle forces go. Sooo if that was the case
5 Man HQ
20 Troops
1 Leman Russ

Still 1 full troop Choice and 1 Heavy. That would be cool and seem somewhat likely

I know I was just saying that's how I'd like to see it :p

I'd also like to see stormtroopers as troop choices or at least Grenadiers even if they're still 0-3

I think w/ the Plastic Storm Troopers the choice to make them Troops will be there. Maybe if you take the Commissar for a commander? I think it would be highly unlikely to have those guys come out as plastic and GW not want to sell plenty of them, even more so w/ the new transport coming out for them.

Yeah, that's what I figured. No biggie.

I also think Guard should get Storms / Grenadiers as Troops. It makes sense, and the 0-3 restriction isn't needed.

NEED pics!!!!

Seconded.

All we have is some greens of the plastic Storm Troopers / Kasrkin with a beefy Mars pattern shotgun.

This is just pipedreams and should in no way be inferred as a bona fide rumour, but what would really make me want to have GW's babies would be another AOBR type deal with guard and either CSM or one of the other xenos, that would be awesome.

Back OT, I asked this question a few months back with regard to what box sets we should be buying before the new IG releases... I think all of the metal stuff will still be available so I'd just concentrate on whatever plastics you like at the moment. I'll almost certainly be buying 4 battleforces (2 cadian, 2 catachan) and 4 heavy weapon squad boxes (2 cadian, 2 catachan) before the new plastics get released.

God this is an expensive hobby/addiction!

Oh, no doubt.

If the 40k6 starter had Imperial Guard vs Chaos Marines, that would be a cool way to turn the starter box on its head.


But if we're wishlisting about Guard in the starter set, then I'd have to say that the ideal opponent would actually be Dark Eldar. T3 Sv5+ on both sides of the board, in numbers, would be tremendous fun, and a great intro to how 40k *should* play.

Imperial Guard starter force would be structured like Orks:

- 6-man Command Squad w/ Officer, 2 GLs
- 10-man Stormtrooper Squad w/ 2 Plasma Guns
- 10-man Platoon Squad w/ ML & Flamer
- 10-man Platoon Squad w/ ML & Flamer
- 3x Sentinel w/ Multi-Laser

Then the Dark Eldar would structure somewhat like Marines:

- Archon w/ Agonizer
- 10 Warriors w/ Splinter Cannon & Disintegrator
- 10 Warriors w/ Splinter Cannon & Disintegrator
- 3 Jetbikes
- Talos

As the models are smaller, GW should be able to put a few more of them in the box, similar to how they have the Gobbos and Dwarves in BfSP.

Shame we won't get another starter box deal like AOBR until 6E.

Shame I'll die of old age before we see some IG confirmations and pictures!!!

Scottywan82 wrote:Shame I'll die of old age before we see some IG confirmations and pictures!!!

Who'd be the Sentinel Forum Moderator if you did?

Scottywan82 wrote:Shame I'll die of old age before we see some IG confirmations and pictures!!!

Pint says we get that sort of thing by the end of the second week of Feb. If you die of old age before then, you must be Yoda's uncle Jeff the unbelievably ancient.

Some call me.... Jeff?

@Platuan4th, Yeah somebody has to keep you wild Sentinels in line, lol.

As I've been browsing other forums looking for conversion Idea's I keep noting that people are talking about Imperial Guard Bikers in the new codex...has anyone else heard anything about this? Imperial Guard scouts on bikes or anything like that? Just curious if anyone here on Dakka has heard anything......

Guard Bikers? Only as replacements for Rough Riders...

Personally, I'm thinking to field some Rough Riders for variety's sake, but haven't figured out how I'd model them.

"counts as" Ogryns & Sentinels, no problem. But Rough Riders? Gah.

Bikes, horses, lizards, even crude jetpacks work for Rough Riders.

I seriously want them to release a new plastic RR set. Talk about a model that needs a redo... Anything at this point would make me happy. But a RR command squad would send me over the edge with joy.

Redone Attillans would really make my day.

Though not a lot of people would share that thought.

@BrookM: Thanks for the suggestions.

I've considered them, but they're just not quite right for my army...

There's always unicycles.

Personally I'd love updated Attillans, they'd fit in with nobody but then again they are auxiliaries, which is the whole point with them.


Makes me wonder though, the Ogryn are given something of a Cadian feel with their latest sculpts, I wonder if GW is going to do the same with the new Ratlings. Personally I hope that the Ratlings have something of a patched together look, having bits of stolen equipment on their person as befits the fecking thieves.

This is actually a pic I found browsing a couple of forums:


Really good conversion until I realized this would never happen. Catachans maybe....maybe. They can wrastle Orks but not pansy cadians. That's when I saw this one



Simple and easy to do...might give a shot at this one

Those are swank! Love the lizard one, and that's the nicest bike I've seen yet.

The lizard one isn't actually that hard to do, the legs can be created from either the Heavy Weapon squads or even regular standing IG as well

As for the bike the creater supposedly did little actual conversion work. Mainly sanded down the scouts belt and tacked on the IG stuff. I need something for my Rough Riders so I am looking at that bike...

BrookM wrote:Redone Attillans would really make my day.

If done properly, this could be cool (although it's not what I would probably make a priority).

Cadians are default 'middle of the road' Guard.
Catachans are 'light' Guard.
Steel legion are heavy/mechanized Guard.

Attilans could be part of 'savage' Guard. DOn't just do RR... Do Attilan (or similar) infantry and such, too.

I'm from the good old days, so I see Cold Ones more as Eldar Exodite cavalry. (Yes, yes, it's crazy wishlisting...) But yeah, that model looks really good.

The Scout Biker still looks mostly like a Scout Biker.

I kind of like monocycles, but RR are HtH, and I don't know how that would work.

Baby Jump packs would just make them look like copies of Assault Marines. Not the worst approach, but not very imaginative, either.

I wanted to do a powersuit kind of thing, but that was better-suited toward Sentinel / Ogryn usage. Those particular designs are a lot clearer for me.

My latest thought was some kind of speeder bike, but that would probably require Jetbike rules for a very different role.

The scout bike is lovely, is that just a marine scout bike?

Speeders aka Star Wars storm trooper scout bikes on the forest moon of Endor would be awesome, but agreed, would need jetbike rules to make them really effective, so probably wouldn't work.

Marine scout bike, file down the scout legs(or convert the standard IG legs just need some Green stuff as well), add Cadian body and what not..BAM! IG Biker

Nuclear Mekanik wrote:The scout bike is lovely, is that just a marine scout bike?

Speeders aka Star Wars storm trooper scout bikes on the forest moon of Endor would be awesome, but agreed, would need jetbike rules to make them really effective, so probably wouldn't work.

That would be awesome though. I want to do a Storm Trooper themed IG force anyways. A lot of white armor and black undersuits. And Kasrkin.

But speeder bikes (with Scouts?) would be wicked cool. And of course my Sentinels will be AT-STs.

Maybe if Ogryns are good in the new book I'll convert up some Dark Troopers, Purge Troopers, or something along those lines.

Steel Legion Sentinels are basicall AT-STs anyway, v.cool, just paint them battleship grey, would love to see that!!!

Your commanding officer needs black storm trooper armour and a neon red "power sword"

Boo. No lightsabers in my Storm Trooper army. He needs a grey uniform and a sneering demeanor.

Actually, the Cadian Commander kinda of looks like Moff Trachta....

I am going to do up a squad of my Kasrkin in Rad armor though. I just can't resist Imperial Guard (double entendre?)...

It's too bad there isn't a way to have robed Crimson Guardsmen with power staves...

Yeah, but I'll live.

Though come to that, I really want Imperial Knights from the Legacy Series. For those minis I'd make an exception about the lightsabers.

Nuclear Mekanik wrote:The scout bike is lovely, is that just a marine scout bike?

Speeders aka Star Wars storm trooper scout bikes on the forest moon of Endor would be awesome, but agreed, would need jetbike rules to make them really effective, so probably wouldn't work.

Like this?



(No, it's not mine).

Full modelling diary thread here (on WargamerAU forums)

Nice find!

Sweet!

Too bad it's a forbidden Imperial Guard Jetbike...

If they redo Catachans, I hope that they at least remove the freaking headbands that every model has. It's irritating. The elephantitis arms are bad enough, but every model having the same armband is just stupid looking. I can understand some having it, but everyone with the same red headband? It's like when I realized that nearly every Tyranid model is sticking its tongue out. Once I see it I can't unsee it.

If Catachans were all bare-chested steroid-pumped baldies, I'd be good with them.

But vests *and* headbands? Noooooo.....

JohnHwangDD wrote:If Catachans were all bare-chested steroid-pumped baldies, I'd be good with them.

But vests *and* headbands? Noooooo.....

Maybe Ialdabaoth should be hired to design the next batch of Catachans?

Its not that they have headbands that bothers me. Its that they ALL have headbands. All red ones. What?
Its like they all lined up at Catachn supply depot 4 billionty two and along with their lasgun, choppy knife, rambo clothes and vaseline, they also were issued an official Red Catachan Headband(tm). You aren't a Catachan if you aren't rockin the headbelt!

JohnHwangDD wrote:If Catachans were all bare-chested steroid-pumped baldies, I'd be good with them.

But vests *and* headbands? Noooooo.....

Glad we all agree here...vest and headbands go way to far...

Seriously though...I agree they look rather stupid now, all of them happen to be Arnold from Commando, but at the same time how do you model them? They are all suppose to be tough SOB's because they live on these death worlds w/ out wearing really any protective gear. The weak die and the strong get stronger

So before I start buying stuff for my Guard, are Mechanized still going to be an option? I've read about different orders for platoons, but has it been solidly stated that one will be able to do a full Mech list still? I want to start buying Chimeras to slowly start mounting all my squads, but I don't want to waste that much cash.

Railguns wrote:Its not that they have headbands that bothers me. Its that they ALL have headbands. All red ones. What?

...You do realize that you can paint the headbands different colors, right? I painted each squad with different headbands.

The Catachan plastics have many problems. The headbands are not one of them.

It hasn't been stated as such, but I'd suspect that it's likely that Mechanized will be an option.
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Or course, I own 4 or 5 Chimeras, so this might just be wishlisting on my part...

Platoons can be mechanized according to the old mutable platoon rumours. I firmly believe that full mechanization is still in there.

I'm really looking forward to taking a look at the Primaris Psyker. I started playing 40K after the old-school Primaris was "replaced" by the current POS Sanctioned Psyker (which really wouldn't be that bad if they'd just let us choose the damn psychic power).

Does anyone have any conjecture as to what kind of powers or stats they (Primaris Psykers) may have?

CK

Dave47 wrote:The Catachan plastics have many problems. The headbands are just oneof them.

Fixed

While I haven't heard anything about mechanized, I've heard a rumor that armored company will be making a return - from this, I would postulate, that, yep, you should still be able to make a mechanised infantry army, too. I'd conjecture from this rumor that IG will have a special character (maybe like Colonel Furst of the 8th Pardus Armored, Colonel Grizmund of the Narmenians) that, much like SM have Khan that allows bike armies or MotF that allow Dread hordes, will allow the player to build an Armored Company or Mechanised army. That's just conjecture on my part, though.

JohnHwangDD wrote:It hasn't been stated as such, but I'd suspect that it's likely that Mechanized will be an option.
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Or course, I own 4 or 5 Chimeras, so this might just be wishlisting on my part...

On my part as well, as Yakface well knows.

Railguns wrote:Its not that they have headbands that bothers me. Its that they ALL have headbands. All red ones. What?
Its like they all lined up at Catachn supply depot 4 billionty two and along with their lasgun, choppy knife, rambo clothes and vaseline, they also were issued an official Red Catachan Headband(tm). You aren't a Catachan if you aren't rockin the headbelt!

Uhh this is actually precisely what's mean't to happen it's in the 3rd Ed codex.

On the RR thing I used the Empire Knights given Pistols and 40k gear the Pistoliers might work as well. Hope that helps.

Well, with any luck, Conscripts with LP&CCW or dual-CCW will be in the new book, so I could just field Marauders on 25mm rounds...

So you really aren't a Catachan without a headband? That explains quite a bit, like how I never wanted to play them..

I think that it is a sure bet that Armoured Company will be in the new IG codex. Since the Battle for Armegeddon AC has been a very "fluffy", visually appealing, and good selling army for GW. It was not even to long ago when they had another splash release of 10 Guardsmen accompanied by the Chimera

livingregret wrote: I think that it is a sure bet that Armoured Company will be in the new IG codex. Since the Battle for Armegeddon AC has been a very "fluffy", visually appealing, and good selling army for GW. It was not even to long ago when they had another splash release of 10 Guardsmen accompanied by the Chimera

All armies got a transport + infantry squad deal, which was revived around Apocalypse

That is true and I have heard from a few of the higher ups at GW, no not the black shirts...they don't know much of anything, that there is a very good chance they are going to drop that deal again for the IG. Not 100% on it but they are trying to push for it again. Take that how ever you want

If they did that with Steel Legion troopers I'd be all over it.