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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 16:25:11


Post by: Shortbus


Getting started on a Black Templar army:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 16:35:09


Post by: Shortbus


Two more of the unfinished devastator with multi melta:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 16:38:49


Post by: P4NC4K3


Excellent work, although I expect an awesome Castellan conversion!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 16:40:19


Post by: Shortbus


P4NC4K3 wrote:Excellent work, although I expect an awesome Castellan conversion!


Will you settle for a mediocre marshall conversion?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 18:03:26


Post by: Death By Monkeys


Very nice stuff - I like the scorchmarks on the multimelta!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 18:09:19


Post by: Stretch


Looks great and has some awsome potential. Keep us posted!!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 19:43:39


Post by: Warboss Spleenstaba


Very nice paint skeem, and welcome to dakka.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 20:07:36


Post by: Shortbus


Death By Monkeys wrote:Very nice stuff - I like the scorchmarks on the multimelta!


Stretch wrote:Looks great and has some awsome potential. Keep us posted!!


Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:Very nice paint skeem, and welcome to dakka.


Thanks, folks!

I need to get back to work again on the little buggers on Monday.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/29 20:23:53


Post by: captain.gordino


Looks good, keep it up!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 03:29:42


Post by: thekyle1231


Woah

Stop painting good this instant!

makes some of look bad...


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 03:32:37


Post by: enmitee


omg nice. one question, did you buy the Black templar upgrade kit? if so, how many marines can it upgrade to BT?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 07:36:55


Post by: Metsuri


enmitee wrote:omg nice. one question, did you buy the Black templar upgrade kit? if so, how many marines can it upgrade to BT?


Picture of the upgrade sprue for the marines is in Dakka Articles. If I remember correctly there are two of these sprues in the upgrade box along with vehicle upgrade sprue in the kit. If you divide the bits among marines ie some have bolters, some chest plates, some heads etc you can make several squads from one kit.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 07:45:35


Post by: Shortbus


captain.gordino wrote:Looks good, keep it up!


thekyle1231 wrote:Woah

Stop painting good this instant!

makes some of look bad...


enmitee wrote:omg nice. one question, did you buy the Black templar upgrade kit? if so, how many marines can it upgrade to BT?


Thanks guys.

Yes, plus I bought some BT bits online.

One BT chapter upgrade kit can upgrade 5 marines with BT torso fronts, (3 with tabards and two with BT iconed power armor torso fronts.)

You also get a bunch of extras like iconed shoulder pads for marines and terminators, BT helmets, weapons, backpacks, vehicle upgrade parts and odds and ends like scrolls, orbs of Antioch, etc.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 07:47:09


Post by: enmitee


Thanks alot. i needed to know taht.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 07:52:24


Post by: Shortbus


This converted sergeant will be cool when I get some paint on him, metal legs from a grey knight model and the upper half is BT upgrade plastics with hand/weapon swap and left eye optic made from chopping up a scout visor.

The grunt is just a BT upgraded tactical goon with similar hand/weapon swap:




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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 09:51:23


Post by: !?


Great painting! Though they're a little green for Black Templars, when i first looked at them I thought they were Dark angels.

Whilst an interesting conversion for your Sergeant I dislike the use of parts for him, make him look holier. And most sergeants usually have a Bolt Pistol and CC weapon.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 10:07:24


Post by: Krieger


!? wrote:Great painting! Though they're a little green for Black Templars, when i first looked at them I thought they were Dark angels.

It looks like just the bolters are green


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 10:31:14


Post by: enmitee


Krieger wrote:
!? wrote:Great painting! Though they're a little green for Black Templars, when i first looked at them I thought they were Dark angels.

It looks like just the bolters are green


i dont think he's seeing the same pic we see, either that, he took some mondo pot.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 16:02:41


Post by: jamunition


Cor blimy

Graet conversion


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 18:15:36


Post by: tzeentchling


Really nice highlighting! Getting that thin an edge is really tough to do, believe I know. Any tricks you'd care to share?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/01/30 21:20:20


Post by: Elnicko5


Have to second the highlight prop, it is hard to highlight black armor well, but you pull it off. Props also for base coating black templars white. It really forces you to paint the entire model.

Keep up the good work.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/01 16:34:18


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks guys!

Yes, the bolters are Dark Angel's green.
I just couldn't bear to paint any more black on the little buggers and used the green to offset all the black armor.

I have given all my tactical squad personel bolters with the exception of the 3 guys with flamers simply to make gameplay more efficient. (If I ever get around to actually playing the game)
The assault squad will be armed with chainswords and bolt pistols, most likely, unless I decide to go with power axes instead of chainswords for some bizarro reason.

As far as the armor painting technique goes, I use a slightly modified version of the extreme highlighting technique: http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/blacktemplars/painting/black_armour/1.htm

After painting a thicker strip of codex grey around the edges of the armor I paint over just the bottom half of that strip with a mix of black and brown ink and water, this makes a smoother transition from the chaos black to the final highlight of fortress grey which is a thinner strip along the very top edge of the armor.
The brown ink is simply to give the black armor more of a patina'd look like very old "blued" metal would have.

The only other tip I can think of to offer is to thin your paint, especially when painting a light color over a dark color and do a few thin coats to keep the paint surface nice and smooth.

More pics to come, after I sling more paint around.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/02 19:01:59


Post by: JohnHwangDD


In lieu of those awful DA green bolters, why didn't you take a half-step from that fantastic Multi-Melta and go with dark crimson Bolters?

Seriously, the red detailing and casing of the Multi-Melta looks incredible - absolutely perfect. If you were to tie the bolters in with a deep, dark red, the army and squads would be great to help drive home that weapons are red-tinged. If your Flamers and other Specials (e.g. Sergeant PFs) were also cased and detailed in Crimson or Red, that would give a nice color progression and really help identify which models are "special".


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/03 04:03:37


Post by: Shortbus


JohnHwangDD wrote:In lieu of those awful DA green bolters, why didn't you take a half-step from that fantastic Multi-Melta and go with dark crimson Bolters?

Seriously, the red detailing and casing of the Multi-Melta looks incredible - absolutely perfect. If you were to tie the bolters in with a deep, dark red, the army and squads would be great to help drive home that weapons are red-tinged. If your Flamers and other Specials (e.g. Sergeant PFs) were also cased and detailed in Crimson or Red, that would give a nice color progression and really help identify which models are "special".


Thanks!

I like the awful green, it's my fave color.

The grunts get green, the special folks get red.

I was thinking of giving the converted sgt. a red and yellow striped bolter just for fun.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/03 06:10:47


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I think the red and yellow striped bolter would look good.

The green is unusual, but if you like it, then all's well!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/03 15:32:49


Post by: model collector


Cool Black Templars, the higlights and washes on the tabards are really good.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 21:49:45


Post by: Shortbus


model collector wrote:Cool Black Templars, the higlights and washes on the tabards are really good.


Thank ya!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 21:57:19


Post by: Shortbus


Shortbus wrote:As far as the armor painting technique goes, I use a slightly modified version of the extreme highlighting technique: http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/blacktemplars/painting/black_armour/1.htm

After painting a thicker strip of codex grey around the edges of the armor I paint over just the bottom half of that strip with a mix of black and brown ink and water, this makes a smoother transition from the chaos black to the final highlight of fortress grey which is a thinner strip along the very top edge of the armor.
The brown ink is simply to give the black armor more of a patina'd look like very old "blued" metal would have.

The only other tip I can think of to offer is to thin your paint, especially when painting a light color over a dark color and do a few thin coats to keep the paint surface nice and smooth.



Ok, once again my camera and photograpy skills have let me down, but I have taken a few pictures to attempt to illustrate my black armor highlighting technique:

First pic: Simply a thick stripe of codex grey around the edges of the armor.

Second pic: A narrower stripe of black and sepia wash (undilluted) applied to just the inner half of the codex grey stripe to make a smoother transition from the chaos black base to the codex grey.

Third pic: A final highlight of fortress grey on just the very edge of the armor and only in the areas that would be catching the most light.

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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 21:58:55


Post by: Shortbus


Marshal/Captain conversion in progress:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 22:35:58


Post by: smiling Assassin


Very, very nice. Nice highlighting also, very good.

I like the Marshall, dynamic but commanding.

sA


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 23:37:22


Post by: Shortbus


smiling Assassin wrote:Very, very nice. Nice highlighting also, very good.

I like the Marshall, dynamic but commanding.

sA


Thank ya kindly!

A few pics of two finished models:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 23:39:12


Post by: JD21290


love em, nice crisp clean painting, and like the 2 step armour highlights.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 23:40:32


Post by: Shortbus


JD21290 wrote:love em, nice crisp clean painting, and like the 2 step armour highlights.


Thank you!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/16 23:59:51


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


After looking through these pictures for a while I actually put my vote in for green bolters. I like it and though the red looks outstanding it does give a bit more gravitas to the special guys and I like that. Sometimes I think it's better to hold off on the bestest, greatest, most amazing paint and save it for characters just so they stand out even more. Most excellently done and I'm going to try the same scheme on my tyranid warriors just because... It all looks great!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/17 11:16:35


Post by: jamunition


Very good highlighting tips!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/02/17 19:08:00


Post by: Shortbus


Grunt_For_Christ wrote:After looking through these pictures for a while I actually put my vote in for green bolters. I like it and though the red looks outstanding it does give a bit more gravitas to the special guys and I like that. Sometimes I think it's better to hold off on the bestest, greatest, most amazing paint and save it for characters just so they stand out even more. Most excellently done and I'm going to try the same scheme on my tyranid warriors just because... It all looks great!


Thank you, and I'm looking forward to seeing the tyranids.

jamunition wrote:Very good highlighting tips!


Thanks, I hope it helps.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/06 21:56:24


Post by: Shortbus


I think I need a lightbox or just better photography skills ... Perhaps both.

Finally finished the tactical sergent:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/06 23:28:38


Post by: the assasin of night


looks kl


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/07 02:35:42


Post by: Shattered Soul


Very nice work, I've never thought of using white as an undercoat for my templars. Thanks for the idea.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/07 11:21:22


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks for the compliments guys.

I'll try to get some better pics today.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/07 14:53:10


Post by: Nephilem


Oh now these are nice, really diggin' the Multi-Melta there too. Any further progress on the castellan?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/07 20:48:29


Post by: gennadius


they look awesome


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/07 21:44:04


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks guys.

No castellan progress yet, I'm looking for a combat shield for him before he gets primed.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/09 20:20:43


Post by: Shortbus


Poor progress, only about a dozen finished figures thus far:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/09 20:23:22


Post by: Shortbus


I finished the conversions on the captain/marshal and the 2nd. squad's veteran sergent, minus bolter:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/09 20:32:50


Post by: IRPurple


Your empreror needs YOU......

sorry, had 2 chip that in, lots of pointing.... anyway, keep up the great job, if my death company looked anywhereneer as good as theese id love them..... and be prown, but there not, there neglected and abused.... lol



SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/09 20:34:43


Post by: Shortbus


IRPurple wrote:Your empreror needs YOU......

sorry, had 2 chip that in, lots of pointing.... anyway, keep up the great job, if my death company looked anywhereneer as good as theese id love them..... and be prown, but there not, there neglected and abused.... lol



You made your point.

Thanks!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/09 23:34:23


Post by: IRPurple




that work aswell? lol


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 00:11:11


Post by: Malika2


Oh that's raelly cool! Love the one with the multi-melta! You got to include more of those little colour variations in your army, kind of like the cover of the 3rd edition 40k box!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 03:26:02


Post by: - Human


This army looks great... I especially like your simple but effective use of red. It stands out well!

Love those conversions. Coming along nicely!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 11:16:55


Post by: Shortbus


IRPurple wrote:

that work aswell? lol


Evil monkey!

Malika2 wrote:Oh that's raelly cool! Love the one with the multi-melta! You got to include more of those little colour variations in your army, kind of like the cover of the 3rd edition 40k box!


Thanks! That's the plan, I just put a missle launcher goon together and need to figure out a color scheme for him.

I think I'll call him Rocket Man.

- Human wrote:This army looks great... I especially like your simple but effective use of red. It stands out well!

Love those conversions. Coming along nicely!


Thanks!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 17:50:18


Post by: Shortbus


I built a lightbox today and thought I would test it out.

C&C welcome:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 18:00:41


Post by: Shortbus


One more:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 18:47:08


Post by: deadly chicken


amazing highlights! how did you do the cream cloth?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/10 19:43:15


Post by: Shortbus


deadly chicken wrote:amazing highlights! how did you do the cream cloth?


Thanks!

White primer, a thin coat of bleached bone, sepia wash built up in the recessed folds of the fabric, followed by a thin coat of skull white.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/11 03:13:47


Post by: krusty


very nice stuff
your painting and highlights especially are clean and simple yet effective
i look forward to more


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/11 03:31:01


Post by: karmaiko


Your army looks fantastic, it's motivated me to get back to working on my own!
It's rewarding to see the results when you finish


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/11 15:04:21


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks guys!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/11 15:27:00


Post by: Kagar


Great work and I like your eye for detail


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/11 19:14:22


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks Kagar!
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I assembled and primed some more goons today, which makes for 3 assembled tactical squads (1.5 painted) plus one unassembled tactical close combat squad.

With the HQ squad and the teminator squad waiting (mostly unassembled) in the wings and also the 5-man vanguard veteran squad.

AND I still need to purchase, assemble and paint up a 10-man assault squad.

... Hmmm, some vehicles would be nice too ... *sigh*

No pics, but at least some progress.

Thanks to all for comments and the motivation to keep slogging onward.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 05:37:57


Post by: Viperboy


I think they are looking really good. I am just getting back into the game and have decided to start back up with Black Templars and this has given me a lot of motivation and tips on which to build my army off of. Keep up the good work.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 06:42:15


Post by: deadly chicken


maybe get a stormlord. you seem to gave alot of tactical squads and the firing bay would be good for them!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 07:12:05


Post by: viney


Those are some nice minis! Great paint job.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 16:01:09


Post by: Shortbus


Viperboy wrote:I think they are looking really good. I am just getting back into the game and have decided to start back up with Black Templars and this has given me a lot of motivation and tips on which to build my army off of. Keep up the good work.


Thanks!
Take pics, I'd like to see your progress.

deadly chicken wrote:maybe get a stormlord. you seem to gave alot of tactical squads and the firing bay would be good for them!


That is indeed a fine looking tank.

viney wrote:Those are some nice minis! Great paint job.


Thank ya!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 16:05:25


Post by: Shortbus


Like a kid with a new toy, I just had to drag out the lightbox again.

I got two of this guy when I bought the sternguard veteran box, so I gave him a scout bolter and scope and demoted him to tactical veteran:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 17:30:44


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


Very nice once again! I'll be posting my WIP bugs pretty soon because you've inspired me to keep going. If you'd be so kind though, could you use an editing program like irfanview to lighten up the pictures of this guy a bit? I would like to see more of how you shaded the eyes and bolter.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 17:47:21


Post by: Shortbus


Grunt_For_Christ wrote:Very nice once again! I'll be posting my WIP bugs pretty soon because you've inspired me to keep going. If you'd be so kind though, could you use an editing program like irfanview to lighten up the pictures of this guy a bit? I would like to see more of how you shaded the eyes and bolter.


Thanks!

I did use PSP to brighten it up as I think I could use two more lights in the lightbox, but here ya go, brightened more and looking fairly washed out on my monitor:

ETA: I don't know if this link will work, but it's the same technique that I use for space marine eyes: http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/painting/eyes/default.htm

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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 18:43:51


Post by: IRPurple


one note about the eye lenses, all id say is nees a small(i meen minute) ammount lighter at the nose end, and ull have them perfect(and yes i know how hard it can be to do, nevermind frustrating when getting it wrong)


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 19:48:20


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


That's a much better picture.Now I can see exactly how you highlighted the bolter/eyes with differing shades of red. Thanks!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/12 20:17:42


Post by: Shortbus


IRPurple wrote:one note about the eye lenses, all id say is nees a small(i meen minute) ammount lighter at the nose end, and ull have them perfect(and yes i know how hard it can be to do, nevermind frustrating when getting it wrong)


I'll do my humble best, Capt'n.

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:That's a much better picture.Now I can see exactly how you highlighted the bolter/eyes with differing shades of red. Thanks!


You're welcome.

The bolter is basecoated with chaos black then painted with a thin coat of scab red, then highlighted with blood red and blaze orange, then given a sepia wash in the areas that are to be darker.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/13 02:33:59


Post by: Nephilem


Really liking the way these are coming along, and good use of the termie shoulder shield thing for the Marshall. The gritty look your guys have gives them an element of realism, which the lightbox shows off to great effect. I take it you accomplish this with a wash in the recesses? Making me want to paint more... and find the time to do so...


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/13 15:57:20


Post by: Shortbus


Nephilem wrote:Really liking the way these are coming along, and good use of the termie shoulder shield thing for the Marshall. The gritty look your guys have gives them an element of realism, which the lightbox shows off to great effect. I take it you accomplish this with a wash in the recesses? Making me want to paint more... and find the time to do so...


Thanks!

Yes, I assume that these suits of power armor are supposed to be very old so I "age" the white areas using thin layers of bleached bone and skull white followed by a sepia wash around the edges.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/16 19:07:19


Post by: Shortbus


Update 3/16/09:




SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/16 19:10:37


Post by: Shortbus


Cont.:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/16 19:12:11


Post by: Shortbus


Lightbox:




SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/16 19:54:23


Post by: Slobomeister


Good job on the marines, man. I like your painting style, as it gives the Black Templars this raw feeling, and that’s exactly what you should aim for. And your freehand fits in perfectly. Looking forward to your next update.
Slobo


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/16 22:20:29


Post by: deffskullz


im jealous of your painting... ><


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 00:15:27


Post by: willydstyle


Your black looks really good. Did you spend more time on Vindicus, it looks like he has an extra layer of shading that the other troopers don't have, and he looks especially good. I play Black Legion so I know how much effort it takes to paint black so it looks shaded, but still black.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 04:10:39


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks guys!


willydstyle, yes I spent a total of about 6 hours on Vindicus trying out a different technique for painting the black armor.

I started out with white primer then painted all the armor except the shoulderpads a very dark grey instead of the usual chaos black, then progressively lightened the grey shades into smaller and smaller areas near the edges of the armor pieces.
I then used a combination of gryphonne sepia and devlin mud wash in many, many layers going from only one layer in the outer areas to many layers in the recesses and used straight black wash on the very recessed areas and did a final highlight with thinned codex grey and thinned fortress grey.

I did this to see if I could build a depth of shading without putting a lot of paint on the model and keep the surface nice and smooth.

Overall I was happy with the result but it was far too time consuming to do it again with black armor, unless it was on a special model. I think this process would be better suited to models with different color armor.

I am happy that you noticed the difference between this model and the others as I didn't think the camera captured the detail very well, as per usual.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 04:18:31


Post by: willydstyle


Trust me, I know your pain. I have a bunch of Black Legionnaires that I put a lot of time into getting some nice shading, and a bunch that IMO look pretty crappy, and nobody ever notices the difference


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 04:21:40


Post by: Shortbus


willydstyle wrote:Trust me, I know your pain. I have a bunch of Black Legionnaires that I put a lot of time into getting some nice shading, and a bunch that IMO look pretty crappy, and nobody ever notices the difference


I knew I should have gone with ultramarines.

I'd like to see more pics of your models, the two pics that you have uploaded look very good.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 04:22:32


Post by: Ghost in the Darkness


Well they all look amazing to me, I wish I could learn how to paint Marines like that.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 04:31:06


Post by: Shortbus


Ghost in the Darkness wrote:Well they all look amazing to me, I wish I could learn how to paint Marines like that.


Thank you, Ghost in the Darkness.

My hand isn't as steady as it once was and my eyes aren't as sharp anymore and it certainly shows.

"Patience and thinned paint" is my motto.



SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 05:15:23


Post by: willydstyle


Shortbus wrote:
willydstyle wrote:Trust me, I know your pain. I have a bunch of Black Legionnaires that I put a lot of time into getting some nice shading, and a bunch that IMO look pretty crappy, and nobody ever notices the difference


I knew I should have gone with ultramarines.

I'd like to see more pics of your models, the two pics that you have uploaded look very good.


Well, thanks I think the shading on the farseer's red robes is way too subtle. My problem is that I don't have a camera, so I can only get pictures uploaded when I get to use a friend's camera.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/17 16:52:09


Post by: Shortbus


willydstyle wrote:
Shortbus wrote:
willydstyle wrote:Trust me, I know your pain. I have a bunch of Black Legionnaires that I put a lot of time into getting some nice shading, and a bunch that IMO look pretty crappy, and nobody ever notices the difference


I knew I should have gone with ultramarines.

I'd like to see more pics of your models, the two pics that you have uploaded look very good.


Well, thanks I think the shading on the farseer's red robes is way too subtle. My problem is that I don't have a camera, so I can only get pictures uploaded when I get to use a friend's camera.


Agreed, perhaps a brown wash in the shaded areas to give it more depth?

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C&C welcome as always, folks.



SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/18 00:15:17


Post by: willydstyle


I actually like to mix badab black and the red wash, but that farseer was the first model I painted for my Eldar army, so I had not had as much practice with the new non-black color scheme


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/20 19:30:59


Post by: Shortbus


Trying yet another black armor technique, this guy was done using washes instead of a paint basecoat over white primer.

I also tried to keep the grey highlight paint very thin.

ETA: C&C welcomed as always.




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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/20 22:21:49


Post by: IRPurple


i dono what to say apart from wow! looks nice! small realy hard thing would be to make the warning stripes more uniform, but to hell with that, lol


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/20 22:31:52


Post by: Fresh


short bus did you use the techniques GW gave out in the website (extreme highlighting) because i used that technique and i found it very similar to your paintings


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/20 23:01:32


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks guys!

Gutteridge, check the first page of this thread where I posted some pics to illustrate the black armor highlighting technique I had been using.

This particular model is done in a similar fashion, but the basecoat is black and brown wash instead of paint.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/23 08:22:19


Post by: Metsuri


The last marine seems to me to be the smoothest of the bunch. Good work on getting the highlights on the black so subtle, I have to try the washes in painting black as your last attempt is so good looking.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/23 22:19:48


Post by: Shortbus


Metsuri wrote:The last marine seems to me to be the smoothest of the bunch. Good work on getting the highlights on the black so subtle, I have to try the washes in painting black as your last attempt is so good looking.


Thanks, Metsuri!

Yes, I was pleased with the result, if I may say so myself.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/24 00:55:49


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


I think the multimelta on the last page is still my favourite. The flamer above it however is in a really nice pose... You don't see many of those poses around but that looks incredibly unique. The melta just looks so incredibly dominating and stalwart. I like it much


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/24 01:35:35


Post by: Milez


I like your BTs alot, I just finished base painting my 2000 pt army, just need to break them out for pics. I used the same method, I primed them white and 4 coats of badad black, I think they look sweet. I will get some pics up soon to show them off.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/24 04:39:51


Post by: Shortbus


Thanks guys!

I look forward to seeing your pics, Milez.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/24 05:23:37


Post by: Fresh


another question, how do you do the base?
good work on the marines, would love to see some vehicles if you've got any.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/03/24 20:12:22


Post by: Shortbus


Gutteridge wrote:another question, how do you do the base?
good work on the marines, would love to see some vehicles if you've got any.


Thanks Gutteridge,

I paint the bases beastial brown then paint on some pva glue and drop a combination of fine sand and crushed cat litter onto them and let it dry, then paint over all with more bestial brown and highlight with bleached bone.

No vehicles yet, I'm planning to do a mostly infantry army, but at some point I will probably do at least some bikes and rhinos.
As I've got about a hundred more infantry to paint, it'll be quite some time before I start on anything else.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/03 16:24:46


Post by: Shortbus


Just a small update, this is the head for the third tactical squad's vet. sergent.

I'm using metal chaplain legs, metal emperor's champ left arm and the rest is SM BT plastics:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/03 16:33:51


Post by: typhus


nice highlighting


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/03 17:05:53


Post by: Shortbus


typhus wrote:nice highlighting


Thanks!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/04 18:52:31


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


forgive me if you already answered this, but what red is that on his inhaler? That's very unique and I'm seeing visions of bug flesh for my new unit of spinegaunts if I can mimic what you have here.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/05 22:53:13


Post by: Shortbus


Grunt_For_Christ wrote:forgive me if you already answered this, but what red is that on his inhaler? That's very unique and I'm seeing visions of bug flesh for my new unit of spinegaunts if I can mimic what you have here.


It's just a scab red base with blood red highlights, given a red wash and blazing orange final highlights.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 00:54:19


Post by: Wehrkind


This is shaping up to be a very nice army sir! It is kind of fun to flip through the posts with pics very quickly; it is like seeing a time lapse film of your painting skills improving.

Well done! Do you have an army list in mind you are building towards?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 01:13:01


Post by: Shortbus


Wehrkind wrote:This is shaping up to be a very nice army sir! It is kind of fun to flip through the posts with pics very quickly; it is like seeing a time lapse film of your painting skills improving.

Well done! Do you have an army list in mind you are building towards?


Thanks!

No not really, I'm just building an army one chunk at a time.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 01:18:40


Post by: IRPurple


hey, quick question, got any tips on painting black you could and are willing to share with me? i am painting up a DC squad and i seel to be failing quite badly. i know DC and BT are diffrent, but i suppose painting black is painting black. just thought i would ask as i like your style and the look of your BT army so far,

thnx in advance, oh yeah, keep up the good work, just remember to keep up some sort of momentum as if you stop or slow down too much then its hard to pick back up at times.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 01:27:59


Post by: Shortbus


IRPurple wrote:hey, quick question, got any tips on painting black you could and are willing to share with me? i am painting up a DC squad and i seel to be failing quite badly. i know DC and BT are diffrent, but i suppose painting black is painting black. just thought i would ask as i like your style and the look of your BT army so far,

thnx in advance, oh yeah, keep up the good work, just remember to keep up some sort of momentum as if you stop or slow down too much then its hard to pick back up at times.


Quoted from page 3:
I started out with white primer then painted all the armor except the shoulderpads a very dark grey instead of the usual chaos black, then progressively lightened the grey shades into smaller and smaller areas near the edges of the armor pieces.
I then used a combination of gryphonne sepia and devlin mud wash in many, many layers going from only one layer in the outer areas to many layers in the recesses and used straight black wash on the very recessed areas and did a final highlight with thinned codex grey and thinned fortress grey.

I did this to see if I could build a depth of shading without putting a lot of paint on the model and keep the surface nice and smooth.


Thanks!

Studying and house hunting has been taking up a lot of my time lately, so the updates have been few and far between.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 18:02:19


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


Shortbus wrote:
Grunt_For_Christ wrote:forgive me if you already answered this, but what red is that on his inhaler? That's very unique and I'm seeing visions of bug flesh for my new unit of spinegaunts if I can mimic what you have here.


It's just a scab red base with blood red highlights, given a red wash and blazing orange final highlights.


Why do I always think this stuff is more complicated than it actually is... Thanks!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 18:04:48


Post by: Shortbus


Grunt_For_Christ wrote:
Shortbus wrote:
Grunt_For_Christ wrote:forgive me if you already answered this, but what red is that on his inhaler? That's very unique and I'm seeing visions of bug flesh for my new unit of spinegaunts if I can mimic what you have here.


It's just a scab red base with blood red highlights, given a red wash and blazing orange final highlights.


Why do I always think this stuff is more complicated than it actually is... Thanks!


Sometimes it is, the black armor painting for instance.

You're welcome.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/06 20:00:15


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


I do know about that... I've tried painting black armour. Along with doing swooping hawks and things like that. Difficult for sure and patience is a must.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/07 19:10:23


Post by: Shortbus


Third converted sergent:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/08 00:51:55


Post by: Shortbus


Clearer photo:


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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/08 01:09:00


Post by: Ghost in the Darkness


How did you make him, he is amazing looking.

EDIT 700th post.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/08 02:02:51


Post by: Fishboy


hey, quick question, got any tips on painting black you could and are willing to share with me? i am painting up a DC squad and i seel to be failing quite badly. i know DC and BT are diffrent, but i suppose painting black is painting black. just thought i would ask as i like your style and the look of your BT army so far,


Actually black can be a little easier than you think, especially for layer painters like myself. I have found that if you add a very small amount of bleached bone in with the black and add a little more bleached bone per highlight it is a very smooth transition. I have some work but I have no way of posting pics at all hehe.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/08 03:15:08


Post by: Shortbus


Ghost in the Darkness wrote:How did you make him, he is amazing looking.

EDIT 700th post.


Thanks, Ghost in the Darkness.

He is a combination of parts, metal legs from a chaplain, metal left arm from the emperor's champion and the rest are plastic: right arm, torso, head.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/14 19:23:24


Post by: Crusades


All inspirational I'm going to shamelessly copy your highlighting technique

Working on any character or more unique squads like sword brethren?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 05:26:32


Post by: Shortbus


Crusades wrote:All inspirational I'm going to shamelessly copy your highlighting technique

Working on any character or more unique squads like sword brethren?


Thanks, and steal away.

If I ever get the 4 tactical squads finished I will have an HQ squad and terminator squad to work on, as I'm not terribly impressed with the sword bretheren game-wise, I'll probably just do a squad of assault marines.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 07:43:36


Post by: willydstyle


The shading on the rebreather of the new sergeant is great, good pose too.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 17:59:06


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


Shortbus wrote:
Crusades wrote:All inspirational I'm going to shamelessly copy your highlighting technique

Working on any character or more unique squads like sword brethren?


Thanks, and steal away.

If I ever get the 4 tactical squads finished I will have an HQ squad and terminator squad to work on, as I'm not terribly impressed with the sword bretheren game-wise, I'll probably just do a squad of assault marines.


I definitely agree with this statement... So is this eventually going to be a tournament army? Casual gaming army? I sure was hoping it wouldn't just be a display piece. It's too nice and has too much story behind it to just be that.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 20:52:40


Post by: Shortbus


willydstyle wrote:The shading on the rebreather of the new sergeant is great, good pose too.


Thanks!

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:
I definitely agree with this statement... So is this eventually going to be a tournament army? Casual gaming army? I sure was hoping it wouldn't just be a display piece. It's too nice and has too much story behind it to just be that.


Thanks! If I have as much time in the future for gaming as I do now for painting then it will most likely be just a display army. (if I ever get it finished)

But who knows?




SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 21:09:25


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


Perhaps for Golden Daemon (or something equivalent)?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 22:36:56


Post by: Shortbus


Grunt_For_Christ wrote:Perhaps for Golden Daemon (or something equivalent)?


Thank you but my work is nowhere near that good.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/15 23:48:25


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


Well it looks that good to me, but at least you've made a great blog that lots of people are reading!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/16 19:49:55


Post by: Shortbus


Grunt_For_Christ wrote:Well it looks that good to me, but at least you've made a great blog that lots of people are reading!


You are too kind, thanks for reading.

Sorry, no update yet.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/16 20:39:25


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


You're welcome! It just makes me happy when people put a lot of effort into their painting like I do. With good quality miniatures I think they should have good work put into them.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/16 23:58:34


Post by: Bottle


What a great blog! The 3rd sergeant is my favourite of the lot so far, I love the clenched fist!

Can we hope for a vehicle anytime soon?

You've also given me light box envy p:


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/16 23:59:56


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


Good question... I'd love to see a razorback for these guys.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/17 21:16:13


Post by: Shortbus


No vehicles anytime soon, but look, I painted a horsie!




Bottle, the lightbox was a cheap and easy build:

http://www.studiolighting.net/homemade-light-box-for-product-photography/

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SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/18 01:33:54


Post by: willydstyle


I love the shading on the barding on that thing. What techniques do you use to create the blended highlighting? Is it just judicious use of washes?


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/18 02:36:31


Post by: Shortbus


willydstyle wrote:I love the shading on the barding on that thing. What techniques do you use to create the blended highlighting? Is it just judicious use of washes?


Thanks!

It's similar to my black armor technique but with larger areas of color blocked in:
Black up top then scab red with blood red blended upward into the scab red.
Then blazing orange just around the bottom edges followed by many, many full and partial coats of devlin mud and griphonne sepia wash and final highlights on the black areas with codex and fortress grey.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/18 03:20:26


Post by: karmaiko


Lol, this will sound lame, but for a lightbox I literally just took 2 pieces of blank paper with no lines (any computer paper really) and place one flat on a table, then fold the other in half and stand it on its side. It works perfectly heheh. It even folds away for easy storage, and is fully biodegradeable


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/18 05:43:22


Post by: Shortbus


karmaiko wrote:Lol, this will sound lame, but for a lightbox I literally just took 2 pieces of blank paper with no lines (any computer paper really) and place one flat on a table, then fold the other in half and stand it on its side. It works perfectly heheh. It even folds away for easy storage, and is fully biodegradeable


Whatever works, my problem was that I have very little natural light in here so I built the box and stuck as many lights in it as would fit.

It kept me busy and out of trouble for an afternoon.


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/18 10:08:56


Post by: Bottle


That light box tutorial is totally neat! Thanks for sharing. If I had space for one of these, I would make one right now ;n;

What's next on the painting schedule Shortbus? I look forward to seeing this army grow!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2009/04/18 19:00:31


Post by: Grunt_For_Christ


I'm glad your lightbox is fully biodegradable... And that it's so space efficient!


SM Black Templar Army WIP @ 2010/12/27 07:28:45


Post by: lipsdapips


How do you paint your robes? they look great