... is no small puppy!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/brassscorp.htm

& here's a fly arround - dakka dakka welcomes FW to the 21st Century! -

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/bsrotate.htm

a snip at £127

I think I just had a spontaneous orgasm. That thing is amazing...

Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Oh well, I can live with that. Looks like my Chaos are getting some lovin' this year.

HOLY SMOKES! I know it's partly the paint job that makes that thing looks so incredible, but DAMN! That's a NICE model.

That's lovely, and MUCH nicer than any defiler conversion.

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

As part of their dedication to Khorne, Brass Scorpions pull some of their own legs off. Carapace for the Blood God!

I would like it more if the tail is longer.

And does this mean it wont be out in plastic for chaos any time soon? BOO

the price seems nice for a massive model , so its a plus. I can see every chaos player getting one.

LunaHound wrote:I would like it more if the tail is longer.

And does this mean it wont be out in plastic for chaos any time soon? BOO

GW's always said since Apocalypse that Forge World would be making the kit.

IT'S A BEAUTY!

Oops! I just wet my pants :(

That's one sweet looking model. I don't know if it's worth getting, as brass scorpions started life as a failr simple conversion project, but they did a great job with their take on it.

Very nice. Lots of great detail. Well done FW.

Nicely detailed, well put together, but to be honest..... I don't like it...

Taste thing I guess cause its a nice enough figure, but something about the overall shape just puts me off. Something about the Tail/Body being one thing I think, makes it look like its standing on its head too much....

Hordes of people will however buy it your right! :-)

Wow, do want!

Wow. That is nice. I love the gloss effect on the carapace.

That is what I always imagined a Talos should look like...hmmm....

Great looking model.

Cruentus wrote:Wow. That is nice. I love the gloss effect on the carapace.

That is what I always imagined a Talos should look like...hmmm....

Wow thats all i see now that you said that. Good call!

*poops pants* Damn that is SICK.

I guess FW has to do SOMETHING to up the ante now that GW makes plastic titans.

Orgasmic! Makes me want to dust off my Black Legion...

Wow, they've taken it into a completely different direction from what GW was doing with their Defiler conversions.

Really, making a design as far away from the Defiler as possible was the only real way to tackle this particular design, and I believe they got this one down just right. All in all, the design looks evil, demonic and very much alive, even though it doesn't have any kind of eyes or face.

Holy crap. I have not gotten a dorkon like this from a model in ages, that thing is jaw dropping.

Wow, wow, wow. And I love apocalypse, I hope someone in my group picks this up to battle my baneblade and incoming stormlord.

This
is
AWESOME

WOW, plus the aesthetics and shape make it OK for me to get away with plonking it in my 1K Sons!

Now that, that is a cool Brass Scorpion.

It boggles my mind that people like this model.

I think it's crap.

It's not a "Scorpion" due to the leg count being wrong. And the pyramid design? Ew.

Now don't get me wrong - the techno-organic detailing is exceptionally well-done.

It's just that the overall model design is lacking. Especially when expectations were set with the pictured model in the Apoc rulebook.

To be honest, when I clicked on the link, I was hoping for a resin-plastic hybrid that used the Defiler Leg sprues around a poseable resin core with resin armor plates and extra-sexy claws.


Still, the fact that FW is going backwards on more Apoc Superheavies only reinforces how much GW must be making with their new Apoc-centric approach. In particular, I'm excited to see Ork Stompa and Chaos Brass Scorpion precisely because Imperials don't take them. I'm excited about that, because it makes it more likely we will have Eldar Scorpion & Revenant sooner, rather than later.

The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .


I mean... i would rather spend $20 on

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's just that the overall model design is lacking. Especially when expectations were set with the pictured model in the Apoc rulebook.

To be honest, when I clicked on the link, I was hoping for a resin-plastic hybrid that used the Defiler Leg sprues around a poseable resin core with resin armor plates and extra-sexy claws.

Likewise, I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you. To me, the Apocalypse rulebook conversion looks not only like a simple conversion, but also bloody stupid, what with that idiotic little face on the gun mantlet. Of course, for me the Defiler has always been the slowed stepchild of the Games Workshop plastic models range. FW didn't take the easy way out with this model, and I respect them for it.

I don't understand the hangups people have with it not having the "right" amount of legs or the right kind of claws. "Brass Scorpion" is just a name, not an accurate description, or are you telling me you'd feel the same way about a perfectly-proportioned model that simply wasn't painted brass?

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Que?
AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

You will spend a *lot* more than $20 for a Deathpion...

They typically run over $100!
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pic!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's not a "Scorpion" due to the leg count being wrong.

It's a Scorpion because that's what people call it in the setting. Do you complain because the F-16 Fighting Falcon only kinda-sorta resembles a raptor in the genus Falco?

Anyway, it's got six legs and two 'pincer' weapon-arms. That's a total of 8 to make Khorne happy, and seems to amtch msot scorpion pics I've found online.

JohnHwangDD wrote:You will pay a *lot* more than $20 for a DeathPion...

A DeathPion runs something like $100, if you can find it!

oi! thats just example lol i dont touch zoids or keep track of their vintage values -_-

all i know is zoids that size is $20 in toys are us here -_-

LunaHound wrote:The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .


I mean... i would rather spend $20 on

Wghat is that miniature and how big is it. I thinkmit might actually m ake a better scorpion regardless of price.

kendoka wrote:Que?
AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

I think the correct expression here is: FAIL

My bad, according to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion
a scorp has 8 walking legs and two "pedipalps (claws)".


The sculpt is brilliant - the first "chaotic" vehicle that looks good.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's just that the overall model design is lacking. Especially when expectations were set with the pictured model in the Apoc rulebook.

To be honest, when I clicked on the link, I was hoping for a resin-plastic hybrid that used the Defiler Leg sprues around a poseable resin core with resin armor plates and extra-sexy claws.

Likewise, I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you.

To me, the Apocalypse rulebook conversion looks not only like a simple conversion, but also bloody stupid, what with that idiotic little face on the gun mantlet.

I don't understand the hangups people have with it not having the "right" amount of legs or the right kind of claws. "Brass Scorpion" is just a name, not an accurate description, or are you telling me you'd feel the same way about a perfectly-proportioned model that simply wasn't painted brass?

I insinuate nothing. I think the model is extremely lacking in design and proportion. The Talos comment is extremely apt.

The Apocalypse version isn't bad as a conversion goes, but you are completely correct that it suffers from having to use only Defiler parts, rather than Scorpion-specific parts.

I expected GW to update the Apocalypse conversion with a tighter body to bring the legs closer together, a better-integrated tail and head, and more claw-like pincers. This would preserve the general family design, while tightening things considerably.

If you call something a "scorpion", one would reasonably expect 8 legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger. At least the Defiler conversion got *that* right.

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kendoka wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

A real scorpion has 8 walking legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger tail.

Well, I'm not sure what planet the animal that influenced the Brass Scorpion came from, and how many legs it would have, particularly after centuries in the Warp and well, being a half demon/half machine.

And, Agamemnon2, that's John's thing. The real beauty of it is that not only can he state an opinion in such a way as to insinuate that any that disagrees is morally reprehensible; he can dodge out from almost any stated opinion.

For the record, I actually really like the model, and the price isn't ridiculous. I'm not sure I like it enough to pay that price instead of a relatively simple conversion, but if nothing else the armor plates are awesome.

Polonius wrote:And, Agamemnon2, that's John's thing. The real beauty of it is that not only can he state an opinion in such a way as to insinuate that any that disagrees is morally reprehensible; he can dodge out from almost any stated opinion.

Well, feth him.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you call something a "scorpion", one would reasonably expect 8 legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger.

Tell that to whoever calls the Eldar grav-tank "Scorpion" as well.

It looks alive, and midway through scuttle.

To say it is 'extremely lacking in design and proportion' is just utter bollocks I'm afraid.

So it's down a pair of legs. Farking dithathtoral Gwarrrnt!

If you don't like it, fair enough. It's a piece of art and art is subjective, I get that. But don't just make stuff up to try and justify why you don't like it.

It's possible that they realized that the extra pair of legs would make it look worse, and not better. It's like how cartoon characters all have 4 fingers and not five.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:To say it is 'extremely lacking in design and proportion' is just utter bollocks I'm afraid.

If you don't like it, fair enough. It's a piece of art and art is subjective, I get that. But don't just make stuff up to try and justify why you don't like it.

OK, guys, let's be clear about a couple of things:

1. You're *not* stupid for liking the FW model. But it'd be nice if someone were to actualy explain *why*, because "oh, cool" has no meaning. Until someone can actually coherently explain what they like about it, it's still poo.

2. If I don't like it because I don't like the design (missing legs, non-pincer claws, pyramid shape), that's my right. But don't accuse me of "making stuff up" when I explain my position. Just because you disagree, that doesn't make my opinion or basis for opinion wrong.

yeah, who the hell cares? The model rocks! Arguing about it makes you guys sound like a couple of old spinsters.

Tell that to whoever calls the Eldar grav-tank "Scorpion" as well.

As well as Striking Scorpions and Warp Spiders. Anyone who likes them are idiots

I like it and I don't. I think someone nailed it when they said it looks like one big giant tail. I don't care for that. But the overall detail and other design choices are great. Including the 8 limbs -- it fits for khorne. The psuedo biologists need to get over it.

If you want to, you can refer to it as the Hell-Lobster.

This thread almost got me scared for a sec.

I thought it was going to be a thread with a pic of a new model in it where no one said it was 'crap'

Whew... the sky isn't falling after all.

For the Eldar "Scorpion" & "Spider" crowd, you're aware that the Eldar Fluff covers the Spider designation as metaphorical, right?

And that unlike the Brass Scorpion, GW never took either of these as a basis for a literal model based on RL morphology, right?

Right.

Anyhow, go on enjoying the model. I'll check back when somebody can bother to take a few seconds to explain what they like about it.

That has a nice ring to it.

Beware of the Hell-Lobster!

Personally, I'm mixed on it. It looks brutal and very animated (right word? Looks like it's in the middle of killing something) but I'm not sold on the tail armor.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

I was going to say that the only thing wrong with this model is the number of appendages, but since it has 8, then it is a perfect Brass scorpion IMO.

It doesn't have to have 8 legs and then 2 pincers. Being realistic isn't what it is all about.

I love the model. If I played chaos I would be ll over this model. Well done FW.

Well, I like that it's more evocative of a scorpion than simply trying to mimic one. The arms are closer to dreadnought arms (which aren't pinchers), the entire model has armor plates without simply being a single uniform carapace, the tail seems menacing, and the cabling and other mechanical bits seem very realistic in terms of what giant six legged robots actually look like.

The armor plates also give a nice archaic counterpoint to the futurism of the mechanics of the thing.

JohnHwangDD wrote:But it'd be nice if someone were to actualy explain *why*, because "oh, cool" has no meaning. Until someone can actually coherently explain what they like about it, it's still poo.

Right, so, for your approval, here's a couple of reasons.

1. It doesn't look like a Defiler. For me, this is a major plus.
2. It doesn't have any stupid faces or tentacles sprouting from it like so many "demonic vehicle" conversions done by overenthusiastic newbies with no sculpting experience. I like the fact that even though it's half-demon, there's no exposed "flesh", just demonic iron and living cables.
3. It looks alien, like something that wasn't designed by the same people as, say, a Chaos Dreadnought, which of course is true within the fictional context of the model.
4. it doesn't look like a metal scorpion. That'd be the lazy way out, kind of like making a Squiggoth out of a triceratops without even swapping the head. I expect more of FWiy

JohnHwangDD wrote:Anyhow, go on enjoying the model. I'll check back when somebody can bother to take a few seconds to explain what they like about it.

There, I have. Stick that up your pipe and smoke it, you smug bastard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's just that the overall model design is lacking. Especially when expectations were set with the pictured model in the Apoc rulebook.

To be honest, when I clicked on the link, I was hoping for a resin-plastic hybrid that used the Defiler Leg sprues around a poseable resin core with resin armor plates and extra-sexy claws.

Likewise, I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you.

To me, the Apocalypse rulebook conversion looks not only like a simple conversion, but also bloody stupid, what with that idiotic little face on the gun mantlet.

I don't understand the hangups people have with it not having the "right" amount of legs or the right kind of claws. "Brass Scorpion" is just a name, not an accurate description, or are you telling me you'd feel the same way about a perfectly-proportioned model that simply wasn't painted brass?

I insinuate nothing. I think the model is extremely lacking in design and proportion. The Talos comment is extremely apt.

The Apocalypse version isn't bad as a conversion goes, but you are completely correct that it suffers from having to use only Defiler parts, rather than Scorpion-specific parts.

I expected GW to update the Apocalypse conversion with a tighter body to bring the legs closer together, a better-integrated tail and head, and more claw-like pincers. This would preserve the general family design, while tightening things considerably.

If you call something a "scorpion", one would reasonably expect 8 legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger. At least the Defiler conversion got *that* right.

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kendoka wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

A real scorpion has 8 walking legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger tail.

yes because the rhino has 4 legs and horn and a razorback is known for its viscious tusks. the wings on the falcon should flap and where is its beak? hellhound doesn't appear canine in the least.
having a beef about missing two legs on a scorpion seems pretty petty.

LunaHound wrote:The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .


I mean... i would rather spend $20 on

GMTA. However, the Death Stinger is larger and more correct on the size a Brass Scorpion should be. Also, it looks better and can generally be found for cheaper on eBay($35-45) than the Deathpion.



Another shot with the head armor down and next to a group of Deathpions.

I already said I like it because it looks half way through a good old fashioned scuttle.

It'a very animated sculpt, and has nice touches belying it's Daemonic nature, like some poor sods hardwired into it. The claws look suitably delicate.

I think it's lame because it's not made of Brass. It's called a "Brass scorpion" right? Everyone is up in arms over it's claws and lack of extra legs. But what about the Brass?

If you want a formal critique on why I like the model I can offer a few formal sculpting tidbits.

The model has a strong triangular presence from all almost every angle. Simple shapes are the most appealing to the eye. These shapes are echoed throughout the work and reinforce the overall pose.

The lines of the model guide you eye to the main gun. This adds support to the importance of that area of the piece. It gives the sculpt purpose and direction. The legs then take the eye back out and up to the tail which again leads the eye back, much in the way bosch or giger trick the senses into "stationary activity".

The underbelly is muted and confusing detracting from the organization of the armor. I would have liked more order in this area of the model but overall I do not think it detracts much. The addition of humans strung up in the cabeling also appears to be an after thought but improve this area by giving it more interest.

It may not fit some peoples idea of fluff but the work is a success.

It looks awesome. Adding 2 more legs would make it look cluttered. It looks sorta weird that the tail and body are one big part, but it's a daemon engine and it does what it wants. The cabling in the back with trapped figures in it is great.

This model is gorgeous. I haven't been this impressed with FW in a long time. Its clearly demonic and chaos influenced, with a bit of Khornate influence in the way the plates are squared (the big rune on the tail is a dead giveaway) but it does it without having all sorts of superfluos, distracting detail that Chaos models tend to have. Bravo.

And have you seen how scorpions fit 8 legs onto their frame? Do you see how they bend backwards perpendicular to the ground and then bend down to hold up their weight? Do you really want to stress resin like that? It looks perfect without the 4th pair of walking legs.

whoever said it had the wrong number of legs, was wrong

6 legs 2 klaws, just like a real scorpion, and the favoured number of khorne

i gotta hand it to em, they actually made a model i would buy over making my own
2 defilers - £60

at over double the price i would still buy it.

maybe ork need one now :K

It just looks like one sleek, awesome weapon of blood-letting. It looks like it's all tail, but really it's just cannon, claws, tail gun and ONLY the space needed to hold it all together. No room for crew, no big crazy engine. It's all daemon-run and wicked.

JD21290 wrote:whoever said it had the wrong number of legs, was wrong

6 legs 2 klaws, just like a real scorpion, and the favoured number of khorne

FAIL. Real Scorpions have 8 Ambulatory Legs plus the 2 Pincers and tail.

To put this falsehood to rest:

Scorpion Claws are actually oversized mandibles...

playuan, fair play
didnt actually bother checking any further than my own assumption :(


but check out all brass scorp. pics, all have 6 legs with 2 klaws

JD21290 wrote:playuan, fair play
didnt actually bother checking any further than my own assumption :(


but check out all brass scorp. pics, all have 6 legs with 2 klaws

It's because most people don't think about it as they base it off a single Defiler(maybe two to make it wider). Not ALL do it, take a look in my Gallery's Apocalypse battles to see one with the correct number of legs.

Relevant picture:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Scorpion Claws are actually oversized mandibles...

Bingo!

Which is why a scorpion is in the arachnid family (8 legged insects) and not some weird 10 legged family.


Regardless about pedantry of real life scorpions, 8 is the favored number of khorne, and it has 8 appendages.
Khorne isn't the brightest god of the bunch, so he made them without considering what is in the encyclopedia Imperia regarding morphology due to his chaotic ways.

Good enough explanation/rationale?

Works for me!

never actually took that one into account, allthough it seems strange, all i have seen have 6 legs, and also the tail "bard" is doubled up TL reapers, indicating 2 kits were used, as do the ammount of armour plates used.

maybe alot of people forgot or lost legs? XD

WOW! Both this model and thread are an abomination to all things khorne. Let's clarify some things. the number of legs that the brass scorpion has is irrelevant, because a brass scorpion doesn't have any legs, it has 4 wheels. Sometimes i think that the people at gw don't have a clue what they're doing. It's like they fired everyone who ever knew anything about gw products and hired retards off the street. There is an official gw model and rules and background history of the brass scorpion and well as all the khorne daemon engines from over 10 years ago.

1st lets start with the background material. oh, and gw can sue me( it will only validate my claim!)
"Brass Scorpions are fast, fearsomely armed and possessed of a daemonic viciousness and cunning. They clatter forward on brazen WHEELS to hunt down their prey, racing ahead with their whirling power saws promising a quick death to anything foolish enough to come within reach. A brass scorpion is well equipped with short ranged firepower - a lethal gatling 'sting' rears up from it's back and more guns jut forward from its daemonic maw, but it's most deadly in close assaults. Up close the scything power claws slice through armour and flesh with ease and few can stand before their charge. Normally woods and buildings are the infantryman's sanctuary from such metal predators but even these offer no succor as the scorpions slash their was forward to winkle out hiding troops. Because of their power saws Brass Scorpions can move through woods, counting them as difficult ground. They can also close assault (close combat attack-ed) buildings in the close combat phase, causing the building to take an unmodified save or collapse into rubble."
These are the facts from GW themselves, if only they actually played their own games and read their own books.
It was NOT a super heavy, it's armour being the approximate equivalent to 13 all round. Guns, hard for me to make a good comparison. But it was a monster in close combat, about equal to a space marine terminator HQ squad or a greater deamon. Stronger than Knights (super heavy single man mini titians), but only if the Knight didn't charge( they double their CAF on the charge).

pictures to follow

No, they are not 'facts'...they are background, i.e. something entirely fictional made up by whisy.

They had Wheels in Epic, because back then, it would have been exceedingly difficult to sculpt and cast the required legs in metal, particularly in such a small scale.

JD21290 wrote:never actually took that one into account, allthough it seems strange, all i have seen have 6 legs, and also the tail "bard" is doubled up TL reapers, indicating 2 kits were used, as do the ammount of armour plates used.

maybe alot of people forgot or lost legs? XD

IIRC, he used 3 kits to make the body that large and get enough bits. Yeah, most people forget the amount of legs and just tend to cut off one side of legs each to make it wider and get the gun bits. Not saying they're wrong(as all of GW's have the same number, except the original Epic model, which has tracks!), just something that bugs me aesthetically.

Whoever painted that thing certainly did a spectacular job. The model itself is pretty good, but no where near as good as that paintjob.

For me the thing doesn't have enough mechanics or ornamentation, it's basically a pile of cables with armor plate. In my opinion it looks more alien than chaotic.

JohnHwangDD wrote:It boggles my mind that people like this model.

I think it's crap.

It's not a "Scorpion" due to the leg count being wrong. And the pyramid design? Ew.

LunaHound wrote:The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .

Since when does Chaos care about leg count? Or any other sort of anatomical correctness? Fluff-wise, chances are the name "Brass Scorpion" was adopted by the Imperials after they saw it on the battlefield.
"Big metal warmachine with lots of legs, and a couple o' claws?"
"Yes sir."
"That would be a Defiler."
"Yes sir, but this was bigger than a Defiler and it had a tail."
"Ah... in that case, it sounds to me like the squad met up with the infamous Bronze Lobster." (Crap! While I was typing this, Balance already coined a Lobsterish warmachine!)
"Yes sir, but this thing had a gun on the end of its tail... a stinger if you will."
"A stinger? That's a new one... Let's call it a Brass Scorpion."
"Yes sir, but our man inside tells us the traitors call these things Gothuak'lhog T'bothachot'rthaurch."
"How do you spell that?"

BTW that scorpion Zoid that LunaHound posted is the Guysack (AKA Stang), not a Deathpion. It might be a touch too small for the Brass Scorpion. It's more Defiler size, but not as expensive. The pricier (and fairly rare) Deathpion (AKA Zagram) looks like this:

Might be a little big, but it sure would look cool.

asmith wrote:Whoever painted that thing certainly did a spectacular job. The model itself is pretty good, but no where near as good as that paintjob.

For me the thing doesn't have enough mechanics or ornamentation, it's basically a pile of cables with armor plate. In my opinion it looks more alien than chaotic.

Looking at the sketches FW did for other Daemon engines they're considering, it almost seems they want this whole Cables as sinewy and "organic-esque" parts for them. Almost like the body is made up of wiring, cabling, and other possessed mechanics, then have armor plates added to them to protect the "fleshy" bits.

ok, ease up on the model

1: striking scorpions are called so, but they have 2 legs and 2 arms, name doesent mean it is something
IMHO it looks amazing

2: that epic model is too dated, look back at the the old epic stuff, mainly all tracked / wheels rather than legs.


allthough, while on the idea of epic and dead killy stuff, anyone got any pics of ork soopa gunz?
havent seen em in years, just wondered if anyones made one for apoc

It does look like dark eldar. Where are the skulls? At least the epic model had skulls, like a proper khorne daemon engine should.

Here's some more eye candy from the days of yore.

That is the single most impressive model forgeworld has yet made. The cabling on the reverse is amazing.


:as an edit, i just read a few of the previous posts:

The old brass scorpion looked awful. It's a tank if you turned skeletor from he-man into a tank. Old models and fluff from when khorne was a god of black metal and hair bands shouldn't be considered required in new versions. The only real complaint that could have weight is the fact that the model is too streamlined, and not angular enough. But I prefer the khorne that doesn't care about ornamentation and just wants to kill things.

touche
very dark eldar like :(
and no skulls is somewhat annoying considering this thing should be taking alot.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:WOW! Both this model and thread are an abomination to all things khorne. Let's clarify some things. the number of legs that the brass scorpion has is irrelevant, because a brass scorpion doesn't have any legs, it has 4 wheels. Sometimes i think that the people at gw don't have a clue what they're doing. It's like they fired everyone who ever knew anything about gw products and hired retards off the street. There is an official gw model and rules and background history of the brass scorpion and well as all the khorne daemon engines from over 10 years ago.

So, that's what 10 years ago? You expect GW to be consistent with something that old? GW changes it's mind about fluff three times a week, but thankfully only retcons material once a month. If GW wants to change it's mind about what Brass Scorpions look like and do, particularly for something that old, there's no reason whatsoever that they can't. We're talking about a company that decided that an entire race was eaten by Tyranids just so they didn't have to deal with it anymore. And even if you take it from a fluff perspective - what, you think the forces of Chaos would keep making Brass Scorpions the same way again and again and again and again and again? I can picture the conversation...

"Lord Goremonger! Lord Goremonger! Our infernal techpriests have recommended making some modifications that will make our Brass Scorpions even more potent on the battlefield!"

"What?! NO! Have them excuted! Blood for the blood god! The Brass Scorpion is one of our most venerable designs! It cannot...nay...MUST not be tampered with!"

"Blood for the blood god! By your command, Lord!"


Because that's the way Chaos works.

No skulls! Of COURSE no skulls! Skulls go neatly stacked by the skull throne of Khorne! You didn't think it kept them, did you?

i may have to buy one just to tinker with, any C&C on this quick idea?


making a sort of skull face plate for it, front cannon would be comming out of its mouth.

Elusive71 wrote:
"Ah... in that case, it sounds to me like the squad met up with the infamous Bronze Lobster." (Crap! While I was typing this, Balance already coined a Lobsterish warmachine!)

It's OK. I'm guessing the Hell-Lobster is the Imperial variant anyway. (For the record, Wikipedia says Lobsters have 10 legs, with two adapted as claws.)

For reference the cabling is full of dead people. They probably have skulls.

JD21290 wrote:i may have to buy one just to tinker with, any C&C on this quick idea?

You're going to pay $180...just to have one to tinker with?

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:It does look like dark eldar. Where are the skulls? At least the epic model had skulls, like a proper khorne daemon engine should.

Here's some more eye candy from the days of yore.

Those tanks look like the kind of thing power rangers would fight.

They would be called skele-tanks.

Tis an excellent model with an impressive paint job. I especially like the 'crew'.

What's the best thing about the Brass Scorpion?

12 GIANT CHAINSAWS!

But what are they going to change next? Eldar with no legs cause they just use their psychic powers to float around. Space marines with 6 arms so they can hold more guns? where do they draw the line. Epic was a core game that lasted about 10 years before they killed it. I bet there are people who still have their old epic armies besides me that are waiting for its triumphant return. This stuff has been in 40k lore/background for 1/3 of GW's existence. The baneblade and both warhound and reaver titans are based off of epic models from the same time, and somehow they came out looking the same.
Does the model look great, sure. Is it a brass scorpion, no. It doesn't even look like a khorne daemon engine!

Is it a brass scorpion, no. It doesn't even look like a khorne daemon engine!

Thats a matter of opinion, why would the god of slaughter want a stupid looking chain gun that can't be aimed attached to a thing with spin brooms for arms? The epic khorne designs were universally childish and awful. They are being thrown by the wayside in the same way tiny orks and squats were. They were stupid and the only people that want them back as is are the fanboys that still have the old models.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:But what are they going to change next? Eldar with no legs cause they just use their psychic powers to float around. Space marines with 6 arms so they can hold more guns? where do they draw the line. Epic was a core game that lasted about 10 years before they killed it. I bet there are people who still have their old epic armies besides me that are waiting for its triumphant return. This stuff has been in 40k lore/background for 1/3 of GW's existence. The baneblade and both warhound and reaver titans are based off of epic models from the same time, and somehow they came out looking the same.
Does the model look great, sure. Is it a brass scorpion, no. It doesn't even look like a khorne daemon engine!

I don't think I was the only person who thought you were taking the piss with that earlier message. It came across as firmly tongue-in-cheek to demand rigid adherence to something done a decade ago, especially for a company that has changed so much over the years.

I can sympathise with not wanting things to change, but they always do. Tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis.

Now I'm not saying that gw can't update things. Look at all of the space marines heavy weapons. The new sculpts look great, but their battlefield role and background haven't changed. The new landraider and new rhino. Great job on making a nicer model, but the landraider still has 2 twin linked lascannons and a twin linked heavy bolter and still carries termis. There's a right way to update things and still keep with the back ground and then there's a wrong way.

It's had it's return...Epic Armageddon.

All the detail of Space Marine, with the faster game play of Epic 40,000.

Oh, and the Baneblade looks different. Got my old models right next to me (Selling them cheap in my Trade thread...go look!) and it clearly has an additional Bolter port in the forward hull, next to the now Demolisher Cannon, and rather than a single Twin Linked Heavy Bolter in each sponson, there is in fact a single *bolter* on each of it's three sides.

Oh, and remember, back then there was no such thing as a Baneblade Cannon, it was just a Battlecannon.

Also, the Warhound now available has changed significantly. The legs are more industrial looking, rather than the curvier, more organic looking original, and the weapons are no longer bolter horizontally onto the hull.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:Now I'm not saying that gw can't update things. Look at all of the space marines heavy weapons. The new sculpts look great, but their battlefield role and background haven't changed. The new landraider and new rhino. Great job on making a nicer model, but the landraider still has 2 twin linked lascannons and a twin linked heavy bolter and still carries termis. There's a right way to update things and still keep with the back ground and then there's a wrong way.

The battlefield role of the Brass Scorpion is still the same. It rips apart men, machines and buildings alike. That has not changed. Ergo, you are hoisted by your own petard.

Elusive71 wrote:What's the best thing about the Brass Scorpion?

12 GIANT CHAINSAWS!

You could say the same thing thing about a suitably large squad of Repentia, though.

Meh. I don't subscribe to FW's "Daemon engines = sleek and futuristic) philosophy.

I must be the last of a dieing breed. The die-hard old timer. He who clings to the way things used to be, rather than embrace the present. I think I have more 2nd edition models than i do 3/4/5th. Anybody want to play space crusade?

I don't know how things are/where in the UK, but in the states, Epic Armageddon was what killed the epic line. It was akin to letting you friend borrow you car, only to have him go to the bar, get wasted, and then enter the demolition derby with it. there was nothing left to return.

Balance wrote:

Elusive71 wrote:What's the best thing about the Brass Scorpion?

12 GIANT CHAINSAWS!

You could say the same thing thing about a suitably large squad of Repentia, though.

Are we sure chainsaws are the best thing in a squad of half naked chicks?

Also, this is a Brass Scorpian. I don't get why are you all talking about a Brass Scorpion. Anyone who knows anything, knows these are two different Demon Engines.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:I don't know how things are/where in the UK, but in the states, Epic Armageddon was what killed the epic line. It was akin to letting you friend borrow you car, only to have him go to the bar, get wasted, and then enter the demolition derby with it. there was nothing left to return.

from my perspective it was like lending a Ford and getting back a BMW. But you're the die-hard here.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:I don't know how things are/where in the UK, but in the states, Epic Armageddon was what killed the epic line. It was akin to letting you friend borrow you car, only to have him go to the bar, get wasted, and then enter the demolition derby with it. there was nothing left to return.

Based on what everyone has told me, and from personal experience talking with the local Epic players around here, it was the previous version, Epic 40,000, that torpedoed the game's chances as continuing as one of the "core three". If anything, EA was a major improvement, with its development forums and openness making it a reasonably balanced ruleset and one of the finest in the Specialist Games line.

Epic today is lean, mean, extremely balanced and well suited for competitive play. It is a better game today than it has been in a long, long time.

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Um.. No?
Scorpions are arachnids, whic are characterized by having 8 limbs. This model has 6 legs and 2 claws (equals 8).




Personally, I think that the paint job is incredible and THAT is what makes the model look so great in the images. I really DO like the model, but I prefer MOST of the defiler conversions I've seen.


Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Um.. No?
Scorpions are arachnids, whic are characterized by having 8 limbs. This model has 6 legs and 2 claws (equals 8).

Just before everyone attacks you, a few pages back about 7 different people explained that a scorpion has 8 legs, PLUS two claws. There, the day is not a total waste. We learned something!

Platuan4th wrote:

GMTA. However, the Death Stinger is larger and more correct on the size a Brass Scorpion should be. Also, it looks better and can generally be found for cheaper on eBay($35-45) than the Deathpion.



Another shot with the head armor down and next to a group of Deathpions.

o_- what do you do with so much scorpions lol


@ others: -_- i dunno the details about zoids forgive me that i dunno there are large ones and small ones -_-

but $45 for a large one is still cheap imo.

JD21290 wrote:

1: striking scorpions are called so, but they have 2 legs and 2 arms, name doesent mean it is something
IMHO it looks amazing

But Karandras has a dicksting for a hat so that one is even...

The epic daemon engines look very (x2) silly by the way, glad they designed the brass scorpion different.

Greets
Schepp himself

Re: Brass Scorpion
Well, I clicked the link in my Forgeworld e-mail, said "holy ***!" and immediately grabbed my wallet. Literally. I think it is amazing. I think it looks dynamic, mean and fresh.

It is more high-tech looking than other Chaos stuff and I can see why people wouldn't like it - too sleek. But I love that FW is exploring ideas for Chaos that are more than "Imperial + skulls + spikes." And hey, if you collect World Eaters I'm pretty sure you have plenty of 28mm skulls lying around. Skull it up. Go nuts. Or convert your own from the Defiler, nobody will point and laugh.

Re: Epic

Based on what everyone has told me, and from personal experience talking with the local Epic players around here, it was the previous version, Epic 40,000, that torpedoed the game's chances as continuing as one of the "core three".

I agree with that. I'm no genius (or are I...) but FWIW I thought it had a terribly edited set of rulebooks. You had three little books, and rules were scattered and cross-referenced across all of them with no indexes (of course) or page references. I remember that it was literally difficult to figure out how to play a game - like, how to build an army and stuff like that. My friends and I found it annoying and confusing and by then we had been playing GW games for almost a decade. I can only imagine how baffling it was if you didn't know a Space Marine from a hole in the ground.

IMO the current Epic Armageddon combines the good parts of Epic 40k (the clean rules) with the good parts of the original epic series (defined lists that let you pretend that your army is more than dude + special rule 1 and dude + special rule 4).

And Perturabo's Chosen, I respect your love of the old school. I hoist a Zoat in your honor. And if FW does a Tower of Skulls I hope it looks like the old Epic one. But IMO those vintage daemon Engines were pretty weak sauce.

Scottywan82 wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Um.. No?
Scorpions are arachnids, whic are characterized by having 8 limbs. This model has 6 legs and 2 claws (equals 8).

Just before everyone attacks you, a few pages back about 7 different people explained that a scorpion has 8 legs, PLUS two claws. There, the day is not a total waste. We learned something!

LOL
Funny you should have said that already.
I realized I needed to clarify myself when I saw the way people were jumping up and down over two legs...

I tried to get in before getting gang-banged by the forumites. LOL I hope this post clarifies it enough to keep that from happening.

My point was NOT that it was "biologically" correct. I've caught & seen enough scorpions at my brothers place to know better.
My point was that it has 8 appendages, so let it go. I should've been clearer.

I mean, what if it DID have 8 legs & 2 claws? Is the model okay, then?
What about the fact that it's "tail" shoots laser weapons, and REAL scorpion tails are CCW weapons with venom in them?
Has anyone complained about *that* yet? LOL


Eric

LunaHound wrote:

@ others: -_- i dunno the details about zoids forgive me that i dunno there are large ones and small ones -_-

but $45 for a large one is still cheap imo.

I only know about the Death Stinger cause I remembered seeing it in stores when I was looking for something to base a Brass Scorpion on, then googled for Scorpion Zoids. I was surprised that the in box price on eBay was that low. I'll probably end up getting one and the FW Scorpion to field 2 different looking Scorpions(mayhaps the Daemons have different aesthetic preferences).

yea, still aint got 8 legs and a set of klaws
so he just has a screwed up helmet
(even though he is THE best phoenix lord model)


all in all to follow on from schepps post, the epic models scale is screwed, how to you make a fully working gun that has the ability to turn 360 degs on such a small support?
the guns the same bloody size as it XD

and to be quite blunt, they look like predated crap.

JD, you sir are a liar. Nothing beats the awesome hand of Asuryan.

you mean the pale white guy missing a tan?
the one with the worsed possible aspect warriors, that are given the worsed kits
ranged catapaults and dodgy looking toilet brushes on thier head?

JD21290 wrote:you mean the pale white guy missing a tan?
the one with the worsed possible aspect warriors, that are given the worsed kits
ranged catapaults and dodgy looking toilet brushes on thier head?

I declare kanly against you and your house sir!

The Hand of Asuryan will destroy your Scorpion King. At range.

And it's not a toilet bowl cleaner. It's an insignia of rank. Not unlike Dennis Leary's comments about his own Catholicism, the bigger the hat, the higher your rank.

Asuryan's combed helmet brushes the very sky!

18" is range now?
im sure most self respecting green skins could throw grots further

so hat size = rank? then karandras beats asuryan
his even has fitted guns rather than a pretty fluffy thingy

JD21290 wrote:18" is range now?
im sure most self respecting green skins could throw grots further

Especially funny considering Shootas are only 18" range, too...

yea, but who takes shootas against eldar?
a good choppa and faithful jallopie is all they need

JD21290 wrote:18" is range now?
im sure most self respecting green skins could throw grots further

so hat size = rank? then karandras beats asuryan
his even has fitted guns rather than a pretty fluffy thingy

So you admit it IS pretty!

It's alright if you defeat my arguments. After all, they are Dire Avengers. Buh-dum-ching!

Back on topic:

Karandas sucks. Asurmen rules

No, seriously, back on topic:

The model is a bit clean for Chaos. Even with the exhaist pipes and bodies in the cabling in back. In many ways, that only makes it worse, because it's somewhat inconsistant with the sleek front of the model. I actually want to see more of the claws as well. They have an interesting design.

pretty doesent win wars
look at slaanesh, weak, fragile, but pretty (in a twisted daemon kinda way)

im not sure how they will avenge a choppa to the skull

they they must fight in the arena of death


thats what i was thinking, i was thinking skulls, alot of death, blood everywhere, lots of spikes and covoured in khorne symbols and chaos runes (since they are ancient and all)
but it looks like a DE talos with legs, but still an amazing model

Actually, as loath as I am to agree with the deranged, I must admit that that really is what it's missing. Not so much spikes, which I detest, but Chaos Runes. It's a remarkably blank looking vehicle.

JD21290 wrote:pretty doesent win wars

I resent that!

all those blank armour plates could look decent with runes inscribed in em
might be a dremel job and the old HOC book for rune reference so it makes sense XD


blackfand, thats why its just a pic
im sure to the right of that theres a stompa jumping up and down on a few land raiders

"1. It doesn't look like a Defiler. For me, this is a major plus.
2. It doesn't have any stupid faces or tentacles sprouting from it like so many "demonic vehicle" conversions done by overenthusiastic newbies with no sculpting experience. I like the fact that even though it's half-demon, there's no exposed "flesh", just demonic iron and living cables.
3. It looks alien, like something that wasn't designed by the same people as, say, a Chaos Dreadnought, which of course is true within the fictional context of the model.
4. it doesn't look like a metal scorpion. That'd be the lazy way out, kind of like making a Squiggoth out of a triceratops without even swapping the head. I expect more of FWiy"

1. Your opinion. I disagree
2. I prefer the techno-organic, randomly mutating look myself.
3. You raise a good point, but the defiler is also of an alien design, isn't it?
4. Your opinion. I hate this model, personally, because I think the torso looks 'squished', as if it's a tail with legs. I also imagined the scorpion cannon to have either more barrels, bigger barrels, or both. It is a heavy 10 weapon in the apoc rulebook, and that is a lot of dakka. What I do like, is the design of the claws, but I think that the limbs are too short. It could use more armor, too.

Awesome paint job, though.

Not to wander again, but isn't the Defiler commissioned by Abaddon to be created by the Daemon-worlds that have fallen tech priests?

Whereas, I'm guessing the Brass Scorpion is created by the Blood God himself as would be a Bloodthirster or a Cannon of Khorne.

I have to say though, that love it or hate it, it IS a uniqu starting point for a reimaginign of all the wicked cool Chaos Epic stuff. I'd love to see what they do with a Hell-knight or a Subjugator. Those clean, smooth plates might be better suited to that.

Looks well named to me. Scorpions are tails with legs.

See here

The tail weapon is heavy 10?

I see 5 autocannon barrels. No discrepancy there.
This isn't a machine that was then possessed. This is a demon created as a machine, so it won't look like some super defiler or possessed vehicle or what have you.

i love the model none the less
same thing as a jugger when it comes to how it was made and what it is.
just a demon with a metal / mechanical body.

I really like this model... As was said before I like the fact that it doesn't look like "Imperial + Skulls = Chaos" This thing looks like it was created in the warp, and rather than a machine that has been taken over by a daemon, it looks like a deamon that has always been a machine.
Personally I don't care for the paintjob. Don't get me wrong it's high caliber painting, but I definitely see alot more potential when I look at the "naked" pictures.

It's pretty, but it needs lots of spiky bits and chains to really seem like it's dedicated to Khorne. Easily remedied though. Still, Forgeworld's stuff is too pricey for me. I'll wait to see if the rumors about a US production facility are true, for this SHOULD bring their prices down.

Hey! 100th post!

I actually love the sleek look, honestly. Khorne, as the Chaos god of violence and warfare, has a special resonance with the means that mortals go about pursuing it.


In the beginning, man made axes(for killing). Khorne had seen these axes, and saw that they were good(at killing). Thus, Khorne had made taken the axe as his chosen weapon of war and thus armed all his minions of them(for killing). Later, man made chainsaws(for killing). Khorne had seen these chainsaws, and saw that they were good(at killing, especially trees). Khorne took the chainsaws as his new tool of bloodshed, but decided that if one chainsaw per mans was killy, then he should glue as many as possible together and see what happens. He saw that it was good(at killing with chainsaws), and lo, he said unto the masses of blood stained cultists "BRING ME MOAR SKULLZ". Thus it has been written, and thus it has come to pass.

i thought that's how 40 k math worked

imperial + skulls = chaos
elves + space = eldar
eldar + spikes = dark eldar
orks - clans - silly + steroids = orks that can actually win games(and are quite good at it now)
genestealers - actually stealing genes = negative hybrids (why do they still call them genestealers then)
imperium - squats = tau? (need to show work/proof)
chaos andriods - working with milton bradly = necrons (this one is for the fellow die-hard oldschoolers)

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:imperial + skulls = chaos

I remember a time when this wasn't true. I still use models from when this wasn't true.

Platuan4th wrote:Another shot with the head armor down and next to a group of Deathpions.

I love that you have a Zoids collection!
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Clay Williams wrote:The model has a strong triangular presence from all almost every angle.

It may not fit some peoples idea of fluff but the work is a success.

To me, the model is essentially pyramidal, conveying a sense of static stability that doesn't seem appropriate for a walker.
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Railguns wrote:And have you seen how scorpions fit 8 legs onto their frame? Do you see how they bend backwards perpendicular to the ground and then bend down to hold up their weight? Do you really want to stress resin like that? It looks perfect without the 4th pair of walking legs.

You mean like this?


The Heirodule isn't as badly-stressed, but it has similar balance / support issues.
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Elusive71 wrote:The pricier (and fairly rare) Deathpion (AKA Zagram) looks like this:

Yup, that's the 1/20 Tomy/Wave model that I referenced earlier.
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Masaioh wrote:Awesome paint job, though.

Totally agreed, also that the paint job is the best part of the model. GW really has raised their game as far as painting goes.

No, not like the Heirophant. Most of its weight is transferred down as most of the length of the leg is vertical. The last pair of legs on the scorpion picture earlier is literally parallel to the ground for most of its length, putting most of the stress on those small "ankle" joints. If they had put that on this model they would more than likely just be a big headache to keep from breaking.


That or they made the same mistake that half of the people posting here did and didn't realize that there were really 10 limbs on a scorpion.

"The tail weapon is heavy 10?

I see 5 autocannon barrels. No discrepancy there.
This isn't a machine that was then possessed. This is a demon created as a machine, so it won't look like some super defiler or possessed vehicle or what have you. "

I didn't take a good look at the pics, sorry. The one angle made it look like 3 barrels. The rest of my comment still stands.

@Railguns: How much weight do you think sits on the rear legs of the Heirophant, and how much stress do you think those little rear ankles take?

Also, a Scorpion has enough legs that you can probably balance most of the weight forward so that the rearmost legs are non-load-bearing and only needed for extra stability.

I just want to know how it was painted. I like the paint job better than the model.

I dunno. This looks like something more along the lines of the Talos or some new Necron construct than a Chaos construct.

You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Polonius wrote:You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Only cause it's red. The physical design looks much more like the Leviathan or Harrower.

Platuan4th wrote:

Polonius wrote:You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Only cause it's red. The physical design looks much more like the Leviathan or Harrower.

Ok, well, that's already more PP specifics than I know. I said warjack, and my roomate said Khador. I guess they're the red guys.

Polonius wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Polonius wrote:You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Only cause it's red. The physical design looks much more like the Leviathan or Harrower.

Ok, well, that's already more PP specifics than I know. I said warjack, and my roomate said Khador. I guess they're the red guys.

Them and the Skorne.

Sblood for the sblood god!

it is full of sexy. it is new chaos warmachine goodness. the old school chaos warmachines are really full of lose. I am hoping the the era of skulls and spikes is coming to close. this is more demon and less imperial tech.

Yeah, now that I think about it, it does look like what the Skorne would build if they made warjacks.

Nurglitch wrote:Looks well named to me. Scorpions are tails with legs.

See here

That's a good find, Nurglitch. The inspiration is obvious.

I think it is a fantastic model. I also find it very funny that the front claw weapons look like tunneling tools. Perhaps it will be a chaos ploy in the siege of vraks to counter the corps' hades tunnelers.

All in all, the response to this model has been pretty overwhelmingly negative. Warseer has a fullblown hate-on going, and some of the other forums I've read are joining in.

I don't think this thread has been 'overwhelmingly negative', to be honest. Personally, I quite like it - love the cabling and other detailing under those brutal slabs of armour. Paint scheme rocks too.

I think that it's very cool-looking. It is, however, a large departure from the 40K Chaos style of the last ten years. OTOH, I pretty much hated that style, so I'm willing to be open-minded about something new.

Yeah, I would say that - at least on this forum - there's a pretty solid group who likes the figure. And even those that don't have not been "overwhelmingly" negative.

It's almost refreshing.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:
imperial + skulls = chaos

Who are you kidding? Many Imperium models outskull chaos. I counted fifteen on the Land Raider, old school terminator marine captain had eleven. Dont start me on cities of death buildings.

legion of the damned have more skulls than most, yet they aint chaos

I think it's absolutely beautiful. Like hubcap, I started reaching for my wallot. Unfortunately, step 2 was checking the bank balance (overdraft says no :( )....

Aesthetically it reminds of certain 1st edition chaos marines, in which a sleek futuristic look was quite evident. I appreciate that some people won't like aesthetic, but as they probably equate chaos with an obsession for spikes or are spamming clunky old zoids over this thread, I'm quite satisfied our opinions differ.

Little amount of skulls: Space Marines
Proper amount of skulls: Chaos
Ridiculous amount of skulls: Inquisition

So we have the holy trinity of: wannabe, real thing and poseur. ^^

On the model itself, in just one sentence: Too sleek. Hubcab already said that, but I'll side with Lord Blackfang, as I, too, do not like it as for what it is supposed to be:

Yeah, it is a demon engine, so it may follow different rules, but let's take a look at Khorne's csmand Khorne chaos demons: Both are bulky. Both have the proper amount of skulls. Both fitting the stereotypical ideal of "the ultimate warrior" (meaning: Schwarzenegger's Conan, not the colourful friend of Macho Man Randy Savage). Therefore, I like the brass scorpion built from defiler parts, because it fits with the idea of taking something that worked and adding more Khorne stuff to it to make it better. Cargo cult, but fluffy.

I'll also side with the epic fraction: I like the idea of stuff named different from its looks, so I'd be happy with wheels, actually: 40k is one of the few modern games that does not use the ...hm... japanese idea of doing robot versions of animals. Which, to me, makes it distinct.

So to me, the FW model does not fit in with either army.

Besides that: I love the use of cabling because of its mangaesque feel, the cut of the armour plates (which look nice and are so very, very inefficient that they fit into 40k perfectly), and the paint job is a nice try to make it khornate. For a dark mechanicum army built on the same design principles, it will be great. Could be done with lots of guitar wire and some greenstuff for robes. A prety simple project. Hmmm... another army I could build and never paint...

An idea that just struck me is that there's no hydraulics, nuts, bolts or other worky bits. There's this feeling that were you disable the thing, it'd just fall apart into a tangle of cables and a couple of pieces of metal. Instead of being a machine in its own right it's almost a shell for some outside force to inhabit.

Weighing in for the positive crowd.

I love the sweep and majesty of it. It is reminiscent of some of the Chaos constructs in Dan Abnett's work, like the Incunabula from the Ravenor trilogy. An ancient creature housed in metal, not constructed or polluted by the artifice of mankind. Pure, simple, deadly.

I also love the juxtaposition between the formidable armour plating and weapons, and the semi-organic cabling and corpse-bits behind.

It's different, it's fantastic. And to the berk complaining that it's nothing like the original Epic version: it still does everything it did originally, but now it has legs instead of wheels. So what?

I would like to upgrade my description of it being 'animated' to 'nimble'

I can imagine it circling enemy Superheavies before plunging into the kill, climbing on top, carving apart the hull, all the while it's tail gun blazing away at those foolish enough to come close.

Amazing piece of kit!

Put me in the 'like' camp. The things friggin huge (2 Structure Points my ass!), and it looks great. My only issue are the claws, 'cause I kinda wanted them to be buzz-saws, not unweildy looking multi-chainblades. Anyway, beyond that it's cool. Who cares how many legs it has...

Agamemnon2 wrote:Instead of being a machine in its own right it's almost a shell for some outside force to inhabit.

Well it is a daemon engine.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you.

Polonius wrote:And, Agamemnon2, that's John's thing. The real beauty of it is that not only can he state an opinion in such a way as to insinuate that any that disagrees is morally reprehensible; he can dodge out from almost any stated opinion.

What boggles my mind is how long it's taking people to catch onto this. Maybe DD is an expert at hiding in plain sight, but guys, he's been doing this since he got here.

BYE

I like the model. But when I first saw it, I said to myself "I have seen this before...."

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139817&page=2

And Atahamas based his design on the concept artwork for the Forgeworld one.

Well just thought I would toss in my 2 cents here...

I personally don't care for the model either. Looks like a Talos for the DE and not a Chaos vehicle. Bam! Said it, glad I am not the only one who doesn't care for it.

I really like the model, the way the front has sleek rounded plates and the back is a mess of cable. I think it is knornate because the design looks like a super efficient killing machine.

The talon comparisons fair enough its clear where the inspiration came from however this does not detract from a wonderful model

I love it, it would look great on the table!

I almost want to start a khorn army now so i can have one!

I think it's a fanatsic looking model. For evil Eldar. It just doesn't look GW Chaos enough to fit in for me. Of course YMMV as to whether that's a good or a bad thing. Plus it does seem like the large areas of balnk plating need some detailing on them.

hmm, random idea i was having while bored

1: add like a skull face plate to it with GS
2: on every other carapace piece cover it in skulls made of GS (not raised out too much, but so it looks as if it was made of skulls)
3: add plenty of large khorne signs and chaos runes to fill in the never ending blank ares.
4: make it spiky!!!
5: its claws look amazing, but once again, it seems like too much of a flat surface area, maybe a few runes or pattern might break it up a bit.

thats just my overview of how to improve, and i may have to order one to see what it would look like now lol.

thank you OP for costing me £127 + £50 ish of GS

To me the alien and faceless look of the overall model really adds to the idea that it is something not created by human hands, but rather something unholy put together with a daemon bound inside it.

just an idea here since i still love nids (am now an ork player though)

i may have to buy one and make it fleshy
would make a great bug with some work on it, all the wiring would have to be GS'ed into flesh, but its a task i would take on.

ok, thanks to ideas im now going to have to spend £350 ish lol

I don't care for the model whatsoever. It looks like a giant toy to me and it looks out of place in a Chaos army.

HOWEVER, if I were to own such a model, I would take advantage of all the smooth and blank surface area. It gives plenty of room to paint cool graphics, textures, glyphs, etc on it. I love large smooth surfaces. To me it grants freedom of creative liberty.

It looks a lot like a DE vehicle, not a machine of Khorne.

Yes, it's freaking cool, but it's just too curvy, and well, not Khorne-y. (In my humble opinion of course)

I wonder how they mold and cast all that cabling.

Well I guess I better start thinking those heretical thoughts those signs in the streets are always telling me not to think.

This model is just full of potential. The collectors who will drop the $$ for this are most likely the same guys who have the skill and desire to personalize this thing. Personally, when I get mine you can bet I will be doing my own little additions to it. I think it is a great model with a very unimaginative paint scheme, and look forward to twisting it up with my own style.

skkipper wrote:it is full of sexy. it is new chaos warmachine goodness. the old school chaos warmachines are really full of lose. I am hoping the the era of skulls and spikes is coming to close. this is more demon and less imperial tech.

I agree. Although spikes and skulls will always have a dominant place in chaos, it's awesome to see some expanding horizons.

Pariah Press wrote: I think that it's very cool-looking. It is, however, a large departure from the 40K Chaos style of the last ten years. OTOH, I pretty much hated that style, so I'm willing to be open-minded about something new.

Exactly, open-mindedness is what it's all about. So what if it doesn't look like every other khorne/chaos model that's been released for the past ? years. So what if it doesn't have "8" legs. Stop focusing on what's dissapointing about the model and see the potential. While I respect everybody's opinion, I'm dissapointed that so many great modeler's and painters are sh*ting on this model, because I imagine the outrageous conversions and paint-jobs that can be done with it.

Agamemnon2 wrote:An idea that just struck me is that there's no hydraulics, nuts, bolts or other worky bits. There's this feeling that were you disable the thing, it'd just fall apart into a tangle of cables and a couple of pieces of metal. Instead of being a machine in its own right it's almost a shell for some outside force to inhabit.

And this is exactly why the model is so win to me. Chaos is finally evolving past 10,000 year old equipment, and janky hand-me-downs. The gods of chaos are flexing some muscle and showing some independant thought. Watch out.

JD21290 wrote:hmm, random idea i was having while bored

1: add like a skull face plate to it with GS
2: on every other carapace piece cover it in skulls made of GS (not raised out too much, but so it looks as if it was made of skulls)
3: add plenty of large khorne signs and chaos runes to fill in the never ending blank ares.
4: make it spiky!!!
5: its claws look amazing, but once again, it seems like too much of a flat surface area, maybe a few runes or pattern might break it up a bit.

thats just my overview of how to improve, and i may have to order one to see what it would look like now lol.

thank you OP for costing me £127 + £50 ish of GS

I say go for it, most self respecting collectors aren't going to drop that kind of jack on a model and then follow the paint-by-numbers.

Archonate wrote:
HOWEVER, if I were to own such a model, I would take advantage of all the smooth and blank surface area. It gives plenty of room to paint cool graphics, textures, glyphs, etc on it. I love large smooth surfaces. To me it grants freedom of creative liberty.

One word. Do It.

Possibly one of the ugliest models I've ever seen FW produce.
When I first saw the pics in my email I thought it was DE as well rather than a Scorpion.

The size is definitely impressive but I've seen many Defiler conversions that look far superior asthetically.

Lint wrote:

One word. Do It.

...

Yeah, that'd be too easy.

Otherwise, well said.

Lord_Mortis wrote:I like the model. But when I first saw it, I said to myself "I have seen this before...."

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139817&page=2

They look pretty much identical , are they the same modeler?

Vandez wrote:

Lint wrote:

One word. Do It.

...

Yeah, that'd be too easy.

Otherwise, well said.

I know, I'm throwing beach balls over here.

Okay, I can't stand to read another 2 pages of this thread.

For the love of Khorne people! Where talking about a demonpossessed gaint killing machine!!! Of Death!!!

Who the bloody hell cares??? (pun intended) Maybe in the grim/dark future scorpions don't look like the used to. I just read the entry in the Apocalypse book again. There is no (current) fluff about how exactly a Brass Scorpion should look like except very pissed and probably covered in blood.
If I wanted to read a 6 page discussion about "what animal is this?" I would have read something in the YMDC Forum.

edit: on topic: I think it looks a bit too Dark Eldar for my taste, but if I played a World Eater army I probaly would've ordered one by now. Because it does look pretty cool. And I fail to explain why.
edit: edit: So, does this mean we might also get a Pleaguereaper any time soon??

Lorizael wrote:Possibly one of the ugliest models I've ever seen FW produce.
When I first saw the pics in my email I thought it was DE as well rather than a Scorpion.

The size is definitely impressive but I've seen many Defiler conversions that look far superior asthetically.

If you're in the '80 school of blocky design, then yeah, I can see how those Defiler kitbashes can be "aesthetically superior".

Mind you, we're in 2009.

I can't believe people are still going on about the name.

Let. It. GO. It's a god-damned fething name! Just because it's called a "scorpion" doesn't mean it has to have the exact number of legs and be exactly like a real scorpion in every way. Here's an idea, maybe the Dark Mechanicus designed the thing first, THEN came up with a name for it? You know, one of these numbers: "This beast needs a name...gee, it looks kinda like a scorpion, let's call it a scorpion! The brass scorpion of Khorne! Blood for the Blood God!"

And something tells me they really won't give a damn if you like the apparent lack of legs because it'll probably take your head off before you get to voice said asinine complaint.

In all seriousness though, I really don't think I can stand to hear another "OMG it doesn't have 8 legs" complaint again. Think about it for a minute. Before this thing came out did you bitch and whine about any of the other animal names given to the other vehicles? Were you raising hell on forums and swearing off GW product because the Space Marine rhino doesn't look like a real fething rhino? No? Then why now?! Seriously, it boggles the mind. I've never seen anyone in real life whine like this about cars or military vehicles, either...are you going to tell the military they can't call a tank the "scorpion" because it doesn't have 8 legs? Are you going to tell a car company they can't name their newest sports car the "scorpion" for the same reason? Why is it this model is the one and only thing that MUST look like a mechanical version of a real fething animal when no one had such unreasonable expectations before? I mean I'm all for ripping GW a new one like I've said before, but over THIS? Some people really will bitch about anything.

And I'm not directing this at any Dakka member in particular, this is more or less a mental breakdown caused by all the whining EVERYWHERE because of the legs. Look at the body and how it's arched up like that, and look at a picture of a real scorpion...christ, it looks close enough, doesn't it? And if anyone points out the irony in whining about whiners I swear to god I will kill you to death.

And I have nothing against real, genuine complaints. I too think the plates are a tad plain and that they could have done a bit more to make it fit in with the Chaos aesthetic. That combined with the paintjob just makes it look too clean and new, I guess. It's not roughed up with warped flesh/metal and Chaos-y designs like the warhound, but other than that I think it looks just fine. You can always sculpt or paint your own detail on the thing.

This thing ROCKS. The GW Brass Scorpion conversions look like 2 defilers crashed together. This thing goes in a whole new direction and comes across very well. It could stand for a few giant khorne runes, and a head instead of the belly gun, but still an awesome model.

It should, because that's all it is. Never been particularly impressed by any of the conversions, except for that one that was linked to on Warseer that looks remarkably like this one.

I guess we all have different tastes, but I can't really fathom why anyone would prefer the defiler conversion to this one. The defiler conversion doesn't look like a real scorpion, either. It may have the "correct" number of legs but that's where the similarities end.

Lint wrote:

Archonate wrote:
HOWEVER, if I were to own such a model, I would take advantage of all the smooth and blank surface area. It gives plenty of room to paint cool graphics, textures, glyphs, etc on it. I love large smooth surfaces. To me it grants freedom of creative liberty.

One word. Do It.

A fair suggestion. Though I don't play Chaos and never plan to... Actually I've never played Apocalypse either.

But IF I played Chaos AND Apocalypse, I would have fun covering this model with big hand painted skulls and juicy blood splash graphics. I know people don't like excessive quantities of skulls on all 40k stuff, frankly neither do I... But it's a war machine of KHORNE! Blood god? Skull throne?... Ah forget it.

It's amazing to me that people can't grasp the concept of minimalism in a miniature. (Though I can't call the FW Brass Scorp small, its as big/bigger than a baneblade) Its a sleek and powerful looking model that has great open areas that are perfect for detail work. I can see entire Murals being painted within the confines of that plating.

Thus far I've read post after post of what seems to be a groupthink that chaos = busy model with entirely too many spiky bits + skulls. Can we let that design philosophy go for once? or at least one whole entire model?

I think part of the problem stems from people assuming this thing was built by mindless, lobotomized berzerkers.

I actually like the model generically, but something about the overall image just does not site right with me. It looks... Strained.... Like its taking a bad dump!

Personal taste, wouldn't buy it for myself, but I already know my lad is frothing over it.... so it may end up being a christmas buy wether I like it or not!

livingregret wrote: Well just thought I would toss in my 2 cents here...

I personally don't care for the model either. Looks like a Talos for the DE and not a Chaos vehicle. Bam! Said it, glad I am not the only one who doesn't care for it.

Not knowing anything about it my instinct was thart it was Dark Eldar. Foolish really because DE aren't getting any models for the forseeable future. Anywa, I think the model is ok, but after the initial Wow factor, I'm begining to think it's a bit too fussy and impractical looking. Yes I know it's a fantasy wargame but still.

When I first saw it I thought...WOW A NEW TALOS!!! Then I saw the size and said...WOW NICE MODEL...hehe. The model as a whole is nice but the paint job on this one really sets it out. With all the armour plates painters can go wild with 2d free hand. Expect to see some of these painted to super standards. I really liked all the bodies wrapped up in the cables...that is soooo cool!!

i like the custom ones more

strange_eric wrote:It's amazing to me that people can't grasp the concept of minimalism in a miniature.

Now that is not very polite. That would be like saying you can't grasp the concept of consistency of design.

Sidstyler wrote:I think part of the problem stems from people assuming this thing was built by mindless, lobotomized berzerkers.

Hehe. I'd called it the "purist" approach. Now one might argue that a proper design process would lead to such a sleek design, but considering the fact that the armour is build exactly the wrong way (armour plates wide on the inside, instead of the outside) that'd be wrong. It's style over substance and that is something chaos design could never be accused of ;-)

As for my chaos army, I like this one better: http://www.hortwerth.com/Vehicles/target4.html or http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3928/brassscorpionmixeg5.jpg

Funny thing is: I said I'd like to build a dark mechanicum army around the FW brass scorpion. When I did that, I had the Micro Art Studio miniatures in mind, the ones the artist linked above used. Hmmm...

Awesome model.
Awesome example how people can do their best to be mean about the most random things and make an argument out of it.

It IS undoubtedly an awesome model. I'm just not sure it's an awesome model for followers of Khorne, as opposed to followers of Arhra, father of (yes!) Scorpions

LunaHound wrote:

Lord_Mortis wrote:I like the model. But when I first saw it, I said to myself "I have seen this before...."

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139817&page=2

They look pretty much identical , are they the same modeler?

They are damn identical looking!
Either the guy works and models for FW or they saw his scratch-build and stole the idea.

Wouldn't be the first time; My friend Tom used to be a GW staffer and had his chaos Defiler with a toy he-man torso on top conversion in the store cabinet for ages.
2-3 years later and Codex: Daemons comes out and GW release an identical looking model in the Soul-thingy!

Aren't Brass Scorpions daemonically possessed warmachines?

And isn't there huge amounts of worlds within the Eye of Terror where time holds no meaning, and the Dark Mechanicus holds sway with their hoopla and shenanigans?

If the above answers are yes...
Then I see no reason whatsoever that a Chaos Warmachine would look far far more advanced than a Loyalist equivalent.

It does seem like a Talos, but only if you pay attention to the fact that it's organic looking and no spikes/skulls screaming at you from all over it...

Anyone noticed a Scorpion theme going on in Forgeworld? There's the Red Scorpions Space Marines, and the red Brass Scorpion...

Lorizael wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Lord_Mortis wrote:I like the model. But when I first saw it, I said to myself "I have seen this before...."

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139817&page=2

They look pretty much identical , are they the same modeler?

They are damn identical looking!
Either the guy works and models for FW or they saw his scratch-build and stole the idea.

Wouldn't be the first time; My friend Tom used to be a GW staffer and had his chaos Defiler with a toy he-man torso on top conversion in the store cabinet for ages.
2-3 years later and Codex: Daemons comes out and GW release an identical looking model in the Soul-thingy!

If you read the article, you'll find Athamas copied the design for his brass scorpion from some concept sketches for daemon engines that were found at a games day.

The 'skull free' motif is by far the most pleasing aspect of its design.

George Spiggott wrote:The 'skull free' motif is by far the most pleasing aspect of its design.

I bet it's still screaming, though. And in a way, it's bald, too.

That is a pretty cool conversion. I did think it was ironic that I thought the foregeworld one was a talos before I read the ID line then I saw your conversion and....they used DE vehicle parts!! Blood for the..........soul eating god thingermajigy!!!!

Aren't they all just "degrees of evil?"

It depends on which side you're fighting.

The final product looks similar to the original concept done by Forgeworld, and the conversion mentioned a few posts ago was clearly based on the FW design. I'd say it looks closer to the FW one than the final product does! IMHO it's a beautiful sculpt, and I suspect it will be picked up for use with my Black Legion army at some point!

Quixote wrote:Aren't they all just "degrees of evil?"

You ask me for an evil hamburger. I hand you a raccoon.

hmm... Im of two minds about this model. I like it very much, but I cant help feeling its a bit too.... hmm... how shall I put this... squat? dumpy? does anyone see where Im coming from?

I realy like the model, however it doesnt quite fit my idea of what a brass scorpion looks like and looks more like a dark eldar talos. I personaly think the defiler conversion is a better model but i give my props its still a nice model

George Spiggott wrote:The 'skull free' motif is by far the most pleasing aspect of its design.

x2.

I like it. Even as an old Epic/Titan Legions player, I like this new take. I really can't stand the annoying "Evil Knights with spikes" visual style that has completely overrun Chaos (and it's even worse in Fantasy). There's nothing actually chaotic about it!

I like it because it doesn't try to overwhelm you with childish "Look at me! I'm an evil sociopath!" decorations. It's far too focused on killing you as quickly and efficiently as possible to worry about how scary it appears.

captain.gordino wrote:

Quixote wrote:Aren't they all just "degrees of evil?"

You ask me for an evil hamburger. I hand you a raccoon.

Consider yourself sigged, sir. I have run into many raccoons before and it was never pleasant.


Edited because apparently the colloquiol shortening of raccoons makes Dakka mad.

Platuan4th wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:The 'skull free' motif is by far the most pleasing aspect of its design.

I bet it's still screaming, though. And in a way, it's bald, too.

Can it point though?

With the tail.

Railguns wrote:

captain.gordino wrote:

Quixote wrote:Aren't they all just "degrees of evil?"

You ask me for an evil hamburger. I hand you a raccoon.

Consider yourself sigged, sir. I have run into many [see forum posting rules] before and it was never pleasant.

Sigged, sweet! I think I've moved up a Dakka level. Watch it H.B.M.C., I'm comin' your way!

I'm also curious as to what you meant by the term which was covered by the mods...

Well, it's got great execution but the model concept sucks. What part of this thing says "Khorne"? With all those curved plates, it looks like there was an Eldar on the design team. I hate it. And I usu. go all feth ing fanboi over FW. I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose. I'd hate to see what's behind it! Excellent execution of the model in the technical sense, let's hope FW doesn't bung it up with their seemingly on-and-off casting quality, but you will never see one of these in my house, not if it was free.

The plates are curved as a whole, but have straight, blocked off edges.

But really, this things says "Khorne" because its a giant red killing machine. It needn't be more complicated than that. Demons are made tailored to their role, a machine demon wouldn't look like the possessed vehicles of Chaos Marines.

Nurglitch wrote:Anyone noticed a Scorpion theme going on in Forgeworld? There's the Red Scorpions Space Marines, and the red Brass Scorpion...

But didn't we already cover that is is in fact not a Scorpion

grizgrin wrote: I hate it. And I usu. go all feth ing fanboi over FW. I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose. I'd hate to see what's behind it!

Face down! Ass up! That's the way we like to f-......flay our enemies?!

Railguns wrote:Edited because apparently the colloquiol shortening of raccoons makes Dakka mad.

You being from Louisiana and the South, you should honestly know why.

You want a real daemon engine...
Watch Christine.
Come to think of it, Christine was red too...

14th Cadian

grizgrin wrote:I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose. I'd hate to see what's behind it!

I'm sure any FW Titan model would fill that void.
I'm never going to look at this model the same way now. And I'm now going to ridicule the crap out of anybody who uses it.

grizgrin wrote:I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose.

Awesome!

If I sig-quoted, that'd be added.

JHDD: So long as you referenced the statement to the FW model. Or at least make it a link to this thread. Taken by itself it's just not true

The model has some really great points, I admit. The large flat plates are crying out for airbrush violation. It's actually very fluffy from the perspective that the skull throne gets the skulls, not the models.

But the FW Brass Scorpion looks like it's in heat, period. The pose kills it.

grizgrin wrote:I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose.

The only problem with this statement is that this is actually how most Scorpions stand when using their tails, so it's a fairly accurate pose for something modeled upon a scorpion.

Plat: Manure. Pure and utter manure. That's the way they stand because they are about to take the rearmost portion of their body and plunge the attached stinger into a target held with their claws, the FOREmost portion of their body. They stand like that becasue they are about to twist themselves into a friggin circle! The FW version is making NO such motion, nor is it about to. And if it were, the tail, really, is way too short to accomodate that motion.

So while the pose with the ass so high and the rear legs stretched out may be accurate to the entymological and inspirational ancestory of the model, it has the square root of feth-all to do with what this model is designed to do with it's form. The form is not following the function. And that is fine, it is great and some people have no problem with it; but I do in this case and merely put forth my opinion on it without trying to ridicule someone elses opinion. Not saying that you were ridiculing anyone, but rather that some have and I am not among their number. This time.

At Plat: Yeah I know its a bit of an insult, but I've only ever heard it used in a tongue-in-cheek manner. I've never heard it used as an actual slur.

But this scorpion isn't trying to stab anything with his tail, he's trying to autocannon the bejesus out of stuff with it. The cannon being so high up helps facilitate that, and frees up the forward claws to chop and crush and smash like crazy. Just like Khorne would want. I see no issue with pose.

@ Railguns: Ass Up, Face Down. That's what's wrong with it right there.

I mean seriously, sexual innuendo aside; look at it. With a slightly longer tail, the auto mega blitzer shooty gun it has could get the same altitude/LOS opportunities. This would allow it to have it's rear hips closer ot the deck, a bit like the front pair if hips. You could still have the body at a bit of an angle rising upward at the rear, which would look cool. But his back legs look like they are almost fully extended pushing it up in the air like that. The way it is, it looks like if it doesn't use it's claws for support it might overbalance and fall on it's not-face, burying it's mawcannon in the dirt. Where it cannot shoot at all without blowing off it's not-head.

And I'm cool ith it not having a face. I think it looks good, and prevents some of the other abominations that could have gone in there. It doesn't NEED a face.

But you know what? I want osmeone ot buy this thing just to see battlefoam make a foam case for it. If there was ever anythign that would give Sgt. Diablo's gear a workout, THIS would be it!

Here's a question: How POSABLE is this thing??? Seeing as how that's my major objection, does it HAVE to have this pose? That, in of itself, could change my whole outlook. Well, the curved plates STILL do give it a bit more of a Eldar influence than I would imagine. But that is my opinion, and I am welcome to it.

You know, the exaggerated amount of overlap on the tail armour segments could be made to work for you as well. You could get in there and lengthen the individual segments by a 1/3 or so, and get the tailgun up where it needs be whilst lower the tail end of the model. Again, IF it is that posable. One could hope. I mean, after all, look at the Warhounds. From what I have been told there's a lot of posability there, in the legs.

grizgrin wrote:But you know what? I want osmeone ot buy this thing just to see battlefoam make a foam case for it. If there was ever anythign that would give Sgt. Diablo's gear a workout, THIS would be it!

If I have extra money from taxes, I'll take you up on this. Mostly cause I want one anyway.

Platuan4th wrote:

grizgrin wrote:But you know what? I want osmeone ot buy this thing just to see battlefoam make a foam case for it. If there was ever anythign that would give Sgt. Diablo's gear a workout, THIS would be it!

If I have extra money from taxes, I'll take you up on this. Mostly cause I want one anyway.

That would be cool. You art sigged so that I remember. See you in April, or whenever you get your taxes back.

grizgrin wrote:That would be cool. You art sigged so that I remember. See you in April, or whenever you get your taxes back.

That all depends on whether we need to file before or after buying our house. Some tax housing bonus thingie, don't know what, my wife just tells me things, I half pay attention.

Yeah, I know what you mean. There's suppossed to be a 15,000 USD tax rebate this year for anyone who buys a home. We might be taking advantage as well. Got a sweet deal going on a 5,000 sqft house. Maybe.

Nice work FW! They are upping their game in line with citadel

If you go down to the bottom of the page you can see the bits unpainted and separate.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/brassscorp.htm

sonofruss wrote:If you go down to the bottom of the page you can see the bits unpainted and separate.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/brassscorp.htm

looks like you might be able to pose it's legs to bring the back end down... Then again, with true los, why would you? It might be worth posing the model in an undignified and compromising position to get a better view of your targets.

OK, now, I want a picture of someone taking TLOS from behind an "ass up" Brass Scorpion.

Oh, the fun we'll have...

Platuan4th wrote:

grizgrin wrote:I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose.

The only problem with this statement is that this is actually how most Scorpions stand when using their tails, so it's a fairly accurate pose for something modeled upon a scorpion.

So suddenly it's a Scorpion again, eh?

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

grizgrin wrote:I just can't stand the "ass in the air, face in the pillow" pose.

The only problem with this statement is that this is actually how most Scorpions stand when using their tails, so it's a fairly accurate pose for something modeled upon a scorpion.

So suddenly it's a Scorpion again, eh?

It's always been a Scorpion.

Just one with the wrong amount of legs.

JHDD: Maybe somone could shop in that lazytown brat, Pink McAneuyrism.

Seriously, though I'd be really happy to see some pics of this thing modeled into some less compromising position, tail extensions or no. When Plat4 picks one up I hope he WIPs it good, we could use the thread.

grizgrin wrote:JHDD: Maybe somone could shop in that lazytown brat, Pink McAneuyrism.

You mean this kid?

[Image changed to a link by moderator. Possibly NSFW.]
http://hotimg25.fotki.com/a/71_109/252_111/Stephanie-vi.jpg

JHDD: Pretty sure that's non-wargaming, so should not be an attachment here, aor the Modquisition will get you. Move it to photobucket, STAT!

Yep. One of the most insanely annoying things I have ever seen in my life.

Anyway, I'm hoping to see some pics of this FW model sometime soon.

You know, for a 11 yr old chick she has a bit of a man face in that pic.

No way is she 11 with those breasticles... 15 at the youngest.

*Wait nevermind, her head was obviously superimposed...

She's not 11 anymore. She's 16 or 17.

Ugh. Just as bad. Anyway, I was thinking that fun could be had with her, the In-Heat Scorpion, and P-chop. Anyone care to shoop this?

Mod in:

Let's keep on the main topic, guys, or I'll have to lock the thread.

If you want to discuss Lazytown, you can do it in the OT forum.

Thank you.

Ok, the Dr. has spoken. So how posable is this thing going to be? I mean, the warhound has a million pieces in it's legs, is this one actually jointed at all the joints or is it cast multiple joints to simgle resin cast piece?

[Image changed to a link by moderator. Possibly NSFW.]
http://hotimg25.fotki.com/a/71_109/252_111/Stephanie-vi.jpg

Huh?

Are you guys kidding me?

It's an actress who's practically an adult, fully-clothed in non-revealing attire. How is that possibly "NSFW"?

There's no nudity, no offensive language, no offensive gestures, so what's the deal?

grizgrin wrote:Ok, the Dr. has spoken. So how posable is this thing going to be? I mean, the warhound has a million pieces in it's legs, is this one actually jointed at all the joints or is it cast multiple joints to simgle resin cast piece?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Chaos/brass%20scorpion/bscomponents.jpg

It looks like the legs are in two pieces each, but the body is a pretty hefty chunk of resin so reposing that would be nigh-on impossible. Even building this one as-is is not for the faint of heart, those legs will have to carry quite a bit of weight.

I like it, legs arguements aside.

And nice to see the rotation of the model, I hope they do that with all their vehicles...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

[Image changed to a link by moderator. Possibly NSFW.]
http://hotimg25.fotki.com/a/71_109/252_111/Stephanie-vi.jpg

Huh?

Are you guys kidding me?

It's an actress who's practically an adult, fully-clothed in non-revealing attire. How is that possibly "NSFW"?

There's no nudity, no offensive language, no offensive gestures, so what's the deal?

It's an underage actress best known for playing a child, wearing her character's wig, and dressed in a tight vest and hot pants.

Better safe than sorry.

People can click the link if they want.

JHDD: If it makes him feel better about the pic and keeps the thread from getting frogstomped, then let it slide, if you could? In the grand scheme of things....

Ag2: thanks for the link. Yeah, if oyu want ot reposition the body be prepared for massive work. The legs look fairly posable, though.