GW have already made a huge leap of faith in their major investments in large scale plastic moulding, I'd expect to see many more of the same coming out.

Personnally I think we are more likely to get more of the same, ie Plastic versions of stuff which there have never been versions of or replacement FW stuff usable by multiple armies in Apoc.

Baneblade and similar variants an example, Drop pod another example... Valk a suprise, but not when you take planet strike into account

New Dread? Possible, but unlikely.

Marine Thunderhawk... 3 months ago I'd have said no, now.... maybe!

Plastic Orca? Unlikely but slim chance...

As for a Warhound, thing is they already do a FW Warhound which sells, but probably not enough to warrent additional investment just yet....

Knights? (are they even in fluff anymore? Ok, so they were in Mechanicum, but so what!)

So what do you think will be the next "Big" thing?

Warhound seems semi-logical.

Thunderhawk not so much.

So, yeah, I reckon Warhound.

Plastic Trygon.

Uh oh!

Too bad, as I really was hoping for Mars Pattern Warhound in plastic... :(

I'd have to bet on the warhound. It's useful for the IG, Inquisition and of course THE SPACE MARINES (and to a lesser extent the Bad Space Marines and the Space Demons).

It's an established iconic vehicle.

It's the clear counterpart to the stomper (which I would never have figured we'd see).

It's a magnet for kids and teens looking in shop windows.

Warhound.

1Q 2010.

I'd bet money.

PS...

Druidic
Location: Nottingham

Can't you just go down the street and ask?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:PS...

Druidic
Location: Nottingham

Can't you just go down the street and ask?

HE'SE A SPY!

AAAHHHHHH



But no, seriously, I expect a plastic Tyranid creature eventually... either with the next major apoc release or a codex-redo.

As for the War Hound... 100% possible. Ever see those 1/10 (even saw a 1/5 once) tank kits for WW2? They are the size of bloody luggage! Huge boxes! At a local store there is a 1/35 scale DORA... the box is big enough that I can fit into it.

If GW can find a way to mass-produce larger kits, the Warhound is NOT hard, its box would easily be around maybe 50% more than the baneblade though

Hives of Death- Apocalypse goes cityfight. New colossal terrain and ruins. Throw in some new rules to allow walkers extra movement and freedom in urban environments and you've got a tremendous seller. Even better, it will already be usable for 40k and apocalypse.

I think a warhound would be the next logical step as it is usable in alot more armies than say a revenant but I sure will will get super heavies for all the races at some point
also I have heard some rumors of platic defence lines not sure how reliable this is...

Peace out

I expect them to ride the coaattails of the baneblade frame for as long as they can. They do that with every other vehicle chassis already so this will be nothing new.

Cities of death is in need of a new kit. I am sure by the time they get to redoing it for 5th ed there will be an additional sprue or two.

A thunderhawk, while kinda cool, is a waste of resources. Seriously, give some love to some armies that need plastic updates or any plastic at all before making a fairly pointless (but sadly, quite salable) kit to the SM masses. I play space marines a lot nowadays, but I feel this is somehow very wrong to make that kit before armies like the dark eldar are updated.

Seriously, we need more terrain options before a plastic thunderhawk is made. I love cities of death terrain, but it get kinda old trying to make something new out of the same three kits....

Man, if Apocalypse and City Fight had a secret love child in the form of giant city terrain kits, it would make my fiscal quarter. It would make it poorer, mostly, but also terribly exciting!
I know I can make my own terrain, but I am not good at it, and find it rather frustrating.

Plastic Eldar superheavies would be cool. Or a MASSIVE Avatar.

I don't tend to play Apoc so am not on the look out for big plastics; I'm more in the market for plastic infantry, and vehicles.

Well guess what, I do go and ask, was in Warhammer World only yesterday chatting with the manager, but they are reasonably tight lipped.

Hells teeth our Procurement Manager used to be their Procurement Manager and I STILL can't get anything out of him! :-)

Really must look up Warwick and Nuala (even if only on the pretence of find out about Arthur) and pick their brains!

But I'm actually interested in the public (geek) opinion.

Large plastic kits are extremely commercially viable for GW, afterall similar mould dev costs for, for example, a DE Warriors re-vamp, slightly higher material costs, greartly inflated single sale value.

Only problem they will suffer from is your likely to buy 5-6 boxes of warriors, but maybe 2-3 heavies.... reasonable trade off however for the high price if enough people buy 1 Super Heavy rather then starting a new army.... and very low "book" development and "Games" development.... who cares if a super heavy is broken rules wise in comparison with other armies, just increases it saleability while not effecting tournaments and competative play!

I could ALMOST see them doing something for the xenos when the next xenos book comes out.

The superheavy would be an anchor for the new product line.

Necrons maybe?

@Hellfury, the Dark Elfs in Space don't need an update, they have a perfectly fine codex and model line as is. The Squats however, they really need a facelift.

Actually thats the big genious of Apoc, new game, few issues with old, nominal relearning, massive potential, and minimal outlay... fecking genious!

A Warhound would make sense, as it applies to a broad spectrum of armies. Expect whatever does occur to generally be designed to cover as many bases as possible, like the Baneblade could. The only reason we have a Stompa in plastic is due to the huge interest the Orks got recently. I would expect Xenos stuff to come with the release of new codicies generally, when there's a pick up in interest to ride on. Some generic Eldar vehicle that can work both for Dark and Light Eldar might make sense. Demon Engines are less likely as Chaos can be served via the Imperial line. Tyranids and Necrons are almost certainly out of luck unless a new Necron codex makes Necrons the new hotness.

As an aside, I also live in Nottingham, so yes, I could just go down the road and ask. But every time I bump into someone (and you do a surprisingly high number of times) they've remained resolutely tight lipped. They also smartly put the design studios on the upper floors with tinted windows so you can't peer in. That said, I did manage to grab a glance at a case full of Plastic Baneblades back when those were just a rumour when I got shown around The Moot once, so their security isn't water tight.

GC Mandrake.... tell me you've tried the Cheese Cake!

I'm more a fan of the Scones. Cheaper too.

That said, my favourite thing in Bugmans is the Monstrosity. Double Vodka, Red Bull + Topped with Slush Puppy. Everything you need, Sugar, Alcohol, Caffeine and E-Numbers. Not all the staff know how to make it mind.

Anyway, shall we keep on topic

I'd like to see plastic Thunderbolts. I'd buy a squadron.

Hmmm.... Actually, thats not a bad idea... more heavy fliers? Thunder Bolts, Bombers, Orcy Conversions? Covers guard, SM, Navy, Planer Strike... possible?

Also loved the Eclairs, but almost too big :-)

GCMandrake wrote:

As an aside, I also live in Nottingham, so yes, I could just go down the road and ask. But every time I bump into someone (and you do a surprisingly high number of times) they've remained resolutely tight lipped.

But how do they hold up under torture?

Have you seen Warwick? Nice guy... shy of 7ft and fights with a sword for a hobby.... Ok, so do I but even so! I'd not risk trying to torture him! Besides Nuala invited us to there wedding a few years back, would just be impolite! :-)

I'm sure if they ever get to it, Sisters and all their goodies, especially the Exorcist.

I wish GW would make plastic Killa Kans or Deff Dreads.

But making a largish kit that can serve multiple armies makes complete sense.

A warhound would be great because the Orks could loot it and i'm sure GW would make a converison and datasheet for it.

Looks like Daemons need more plastic - though i'm not sure on their popularity.

I'd buy a Warhound if it was priced comparably to the Baneblade and Stompa. Probably pay more depending on how good the actual kit was though.

I think they will do a thunderhawk but the next thing that everyone will have to have is a warhound.

I also think around the next time they do a redo for the tyranids we'll get a trygon and maybe some new never-appeared-in-the-fluff-before bug that you can also make in the same box. Same goes for Eldar redo, I think they will prolly do a scorpion tank with other variants.

A knight makes a lot of sense as it's almost the same size as a Stompa and could be used by all Imperial forces and Chaos.

Scottywan82 wrote:I'd like to see plastic Thunderbolts. I'd buy a squadron.

I'll second that. Sure I can scratchbuild 'em, but they don't look nearly as good as GW's. I'd pay $60 a pop for Thunderbolt models.

i'd say valk/baneblade/stompa size and $100 is the upper limit of what they would offer for the tabletop in plastic. we'll hopefully see a "big" (size-wise) release for each major racial codex that comes out.

orks have one and the imperials have two. since the LR is supposed to be the ultimate SM vehicle (since they're a mobile scalpel and not a sledge like IG), i doubt they'll get anything. most of the "new" stuff comes from either epic or foreworld and they're both empty on completely new marine vehicles. the thunderhawk is just too big, pricey, and unwieldy to use in normal or even medium sized apoc games and should remain a limited release IMO.

the nid's definitely should get some sort of modular huge monstrous creature. Chaos: they can always convert imperial stuff with spikey bits either officially or players can do it themselves so they're covered. dark eldar: they need a general reboot before we start talking about adding superheavies but a super-raider ala jabba's barge would be cool. eldar: their titans would definitely work.

necrons: don't know since their fluff hasn't been fleshed out as much as other races. Tau: same as necrons but they could easily make some sort of gundam sized/looking robot to go with the crisis suits. as for their existing stuff, their similar scale transport (forgot the name but it's from the talos book) to the valk is specifically described as a non-frontline vehicle while the next size up is TOO big.

Isn't "Nuala" the princess in Hellboy 2? If so, wow, they have some impressive hotness working for them, if not talent It would make sense, as apparently they can only sculpt female elves that don't look like trannies... interesting...

realistically warhound, then thunderhawk. Dark Eldar may finally be out by then so maybe an eldar revenant that the dark eldar could use too ( I know it doesn't make any sense for them to have it but neither does it for space marines to have baneblades)

Lord Solaar wrote:( I know it doesn't make any sense for them to have it but neither does it for space marines to have baneblades)

Pre-heresy Marine Legions had Baneblades. They were called Fellblades.

Brimstone wrote:Plastic Trygon.

HE HAS SPOKEN!!

I just don't think Titan Scale will be anything other then forgeworld.... Ok, you can Argue "Stompas a Titan" till your blue, but really its Mobile Scrap.....

I'm liking the Fighters...

Tyranids.... Maybe, anyone know if the Trygon sells? I suspect not in loads.

Tau just aint due any new loving any point soon I fear, DE, not going to happen, Eldar, Need a load of plastic troops before they get anything "Meaty"

IG already getting lots of fun Tread Head stuff anyway, so lets discount them for now.... Orks also recently had loads..... Marines would be my next best bet, but your right that nothing leaps to mind from their fluff at the Baneblade scale.....

Oddly enough..... Necrons would be my next thought, but what.... I've no idea, Pylon is doubtfull.... howabout something new and interesting we don't yet know about?

Ozymandias wrote:

Brimstone wrote:Plastic Trygon.

HE HAS SPOKEN!!

No kidding. The Tyranids could use some love. We haven't had a new model of ANYTHING in a couple years.

Bring back the EXOCRINE!!!!!

Brimstone has always been the last word on rumors, so as much as a plastic Trygon would be surprising... I'd be much less surprised to see it now.

The Warhound does seem like a good cross-army model to make, but it's so much larger than the baneblade and stompa kits, I can't imagine they'd be able to keep it in the same price range (unless they did away with all that amazing interior detail and whatnot... even then, I feel like it would dwarf those other kits). They'd almost have to make it a minimum $150 price-point... which many would balk at... and many others would dance out of the store with. Still a tough call...

The Thunderbolt could be a pretty smart move, though. It would open the door to adding more fliers to the game (Apocalypse and Planetfall or whatever else is in the pipeline) at the same time as being a good cross-army/conversion-basis model.

... guessing GW's next big move/model is always fun.

Trigon is a bit odd, but then again GW was never run by logic.

I'd like to see a Thunderbolt kit because it is the mainstream fighter and for the Orks a Fighta / Fighta-bommer kit combi kit.

I'm going to take a leap of faith and say that the entirety of the new dark eldar range will be plastic. No metal models unless a few limited special characters sneak in.

Not a bad assumption I guess. GW is going to redo the entire range so they might as well do it right straight from the start.

It was really fun reading the designers notes about the stompa. When he said he had been secretly working on it for 2.5 years that really made me laugh. We have had rumors of a plastic stompa for almost as long, if not longer. No one thought it was real, then Bam! Well, planetstrike is coming, and we've had rumors of a plastic thunderhawk for ages, it is quite possible that one has been slowly being worked on like the stompa was. It would be the perfect release to coincide with an 'attacker/defender' expansion. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a 95 dollar thunderhawk this summer.

But then brimstone comes on and says trygon. That means, we are getting a trygon, or he's just having some fun wishlisting.

I'm painting a shadowsword/stormsword/banesword this weekend, (yes you can build just one rear superstructure and be able to make it into all three with no magnets, woo hoo!) and I'll need another one to make the banehammer/doomhammer, and of course I'll need a third to make a stormlord.... and i never did get around to making a hellhammer...

so I guess for me I'm not so worried about whats around the corner as i still have $300 to spend on the current apoc stuff

You know what I want the next big plastic model to be?

Anything except something for Space Marines, Orks, or IG. That would be a nice change.

The exception would be a Grey Knight Titan. That would be awesome-sauce.

Well, Planet Strike is supposed to come out this summer and I doubt that GW would bring out a new rulebook without backing it up with a new plastic kit.

A Thunderhawk would be pretty awesome but I really don't need another superheavy for Orks and I can't see it work in my Death Guard army...

Thunderhawk is for the Orks?

BrookM wrote:Thunderhawk is for the Orks?

Everything is for Orks if you've got enough plasticard and bits.

BrookM wrote:Thunderhawk is for the Orks?

It flies. There's a giant laser on top. And it can transport infantry and has an assault ramp. Give me one good reason why Orks shouldn't get to use a Thunderhawk.

A Landa might be better!

Mattlov wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Brimstone wrote:Plastic Trygon.

HE HAS SPOKEN!!

No kidding. The Tyranids could use some love. We haven't had a new model of ANYTHING in a couple years.

Bring back the EXOCRINE!!!!!

Yeah tyranids are very neglected. It must have been nearly three years since they saw anything new. *cough*Deathleaper*cough*

Poor things.

I want to see a plastic Knight.

You have a new item for Apocalypse and it doesn't have to be as big/bulky as a warhound.

Hellfury wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Brimstone wrote:Plastic Trygon.

HE HAS SPOKEN!!

No kidding. The Tyranids could use some love. We haven't had a new model of ANYTHING in a couple years.

Bring back the EXOCRINE!!!!!

Yeah tyranids are very neglected. It must have been nearly three years since they saw anything new. *cough*Deathleaper*cough*

Poor things.

Death Leaper is just a Lictor, not exactly anything new. Just a new sculpt of an old model.

So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

The Thunderhawk is mostly flat pieces and would convert very well. I may be partial since I've already got the titan but want a new Marine transport. I would much rather see something for one of the other armies though. IG got their tank, Orks got the stompa. The Necron lineup is abysmal, I would love to see a heavy for them.

Mattlov wrote:

Hellfury wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Brimstone wrote:Plastic Trygon.

HE HAS SPOKEN!!

No kidding. The Tyranids could use some love. We haven't had a new model of ANYTHING in a couple years.

Bring back the EXOCRINE!!!!!

Yeah tyranids are very neglected. It must have been nearly three years since they saw anything new. *cough*Deathleaper*cough*

Poor things.

Death Leaper is just a Lictor, not exactly anything new. Just a new sculpt of an old model.

Again, poor things. I must be nice to get a new sculpt of an old model. I am sure armies such as....darkeldar, blood angels, sisters of battle, deamonhunters, would love to be just as neglected as tyranids.

Really, I am all tears for the neglected tyranids.

Trygon will be interesting.

I wonder who else will be able to make use of it - maybe a Zombie Trygon for the Necrons since everyone is complaining about them being neglected.

Druidic wrote:Only problem they will suffer from is your likely to buy 5-6 boxes of warriors, but maybe 2-3 heavies.... reasonable trade off however for the high price if enough people buy 1 Super Heavy rather then starting a new army.... and very low "book" development and "Games" development.... who cares if a super heavy is broken rules wise in comparison with other armies, just increases it saleability while not effecting tournaments and competative play!

Seems like super heavies are the 40k version of the wfb giant: Any army can take one of whatever. Buy One!

I'd love to see either a Warhound or Thunderhawk in plastic!

Since someone brought up Planetstrike; do we have any solid info on this suplement that is slated for July? I find it odd that we have no solid rumors on this one 4 months out.

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

The plastic baneblade kit has a LOT of pieces. The main turret alone is over 20 pieces, with another 10 or so small detail or optional pieces (handles, stubber, cannon options.) There is little or no loss of detail compared to the FW one, at least on a casual inspection. I was looking at a FW Baneblade in a dispaly case last week, and compared to the plastic one I have sitting on my desk and the detail levels are similar. If they did a plastic Warhound, I don't think they could do the torso interior detail, though they might be able to do the cockpit with the three crewmen. And the legs probably couldn't be assembled in as many poses as the FW one, but I think a plastic Warhound is very doable, and would suffer little detail loss on the exterior.

Thanatos73 wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

The plastic baneblade kit has a LOT of pieces. The main turret alone is over 20 pieces, with another 10 or so small detail or optional pieces (handles, stubber, cannon options.) There is little or no loss of detail compared to the FW one, at least on a casual inspection. I was looking at a FW Baneblade in a dispaly case last week, and compared to the plastic one I have sitting on my desk and the detail levels are similar. If they did a plastic Warhound, I don't think they could do the torso interior detail, though they might be able to do the cockpit with the three crewmen. And the legs probably couldn't be assembled in as many poses as the FW one, but I think a plastic Warhound is very doable, and would suffer little detail loss on the exterior.

I guess that makes sense, I guess the possibility options would be limited, like the new box set dread compared to the metal dread.

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

The Thunderhawk is mostly flat pieces and would convert very well. I may be partial since I've already got the titan but want a new Marine transport. I would much rather see something for one of the other armies though. IG got their tank, Orks got the stompa. The Necron lineup is abysmal, I would love to see a heavy for them.

50 pieces? A titan would be more like 500 pieces.

Masaioh wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

50 pieces? A titan would be more like 500 pieces.

So it would have 4 times the FW one?!

Hellfury wrote:Again, poor things. I must be nice to get a new sculpt of an old model. I am sure armies such as....darkeldar, blood angels, sisters of battle, deamonhunters, would love to be just as neglected as tyranids.

Really, I am all tears for the neglected tyranids.

Getting one new Lictor sculpt is like DE getting a new Grotesque or Daemonhunters getting a new Deathcult assassin. An alternative model for an Elites choice nobody wants to take anyway.

Ozymandias wrote:

Brimstone wrote:Plastic Trygon.

HE HAS SPOKEN!!

Shoot didn't notice it was Brimstone talking.

Darn.

Oh well, Warhound 1Q 2011 then.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Hellfury wrote:Again, poor things. I must be nice to get a new sculpt of an old model. I am sure armies such as....darkeldar, blood angels, sisters of battle, deamonhunters, would love to be just as neglected as tyranids.

Really, I am all tears for the neglected tyranids.

Getting one new Lictor sculpt is like DE getting a new Grotesque or Daemonhunters getting a new Deathcult assassin. An alternative model for an Elites choice nobody wants to take anyway.

And....?

My point is that the various tyranid models have been updated twice (yes, twice) since since the beginning of 3rd ed. Complaining that all we got is a third update of a lictor is not going to get much sympathy, except from tyranid players who don't really care about anyone else's dollies getting updated.

I would like to see some nice, new, humongously frightening tyranid gribblies too, make no mistake. I do not have a hate-on for tyranids by any means. But I do think there should be some form of fairness in how models are released. Not just what my armies can field as I appreciate seeing my opponents fielding new sweetness along with mine.

Since this is a wishlist thread, I still maintain new terrain would be to everyone's benefit. It is neutral ground that doesn't step on anyone's toes as far as model updates and everyone loves to play on nice tables that do not have a high degree of redundancy of design on them when considering GW terrain.

Those 'moonscape' craters were a nice addition as were the orkish barricades.

jabbakahut wrote:

Masaioh wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want. I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

50 pieces? A titan would be more like 500 pieces.

So it would have 4 times the FW one?!

The GW baneblade has a lot more bits than the FW one, I know ive built both. For example the turret is almost one piece from FW. You can cast much bigger bits in resin than you can on plastic. So a titan in 100's of bits i feel is very likely!

As for terrain some time ago they were experimenting with injection foam buildings.... prepainted... Never went anywhere, but they could dust that back off... (Doubt it)

Druidic wrote:As for terrain some time ago they were experimenting with injection foam buildings.... prepainted...

Blech. GW should stay well away from prepainted (as I am sure they already realize).

If it wasn't for the whole prepainted factor, I am certain that AT-43 would have had a stronger following than they enjoy now. That, and its just an excuse to charge more for already fairly pricey models.

I know GW has some unreleased cities of death designs which a bit more generic in aesthetic. Astute observation of the cities of death book will show that they had made several wall sections that were considerably different than what they have produced for mass market consumption. There were even several ebay auctions where people were selling these unreleased sprues but were quickly taken down by the request of GW.

They could just release those sprues and dazzle the consumers with a 'new' product. Make some money on the development they have already done with those.

I'd love to see some more generic and less skull-o-rific cities of death terrain coming out. That would be fantastic.

Da Boss wrote:I'd love to see some more generic and less skull-o-rific cities of death terrain coming out. That would be fantastic.

QFT.

Da Boss wrote:I'd love to see some more generic and less skull-o-rific cities of death terrain coming out. That would be fantastic.

Pegasus Gothic buildings are your friend.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-search.jsp?dq=pegasus

yep me and KK know all about the Pegasus buildings

With this Planetfall suppliment, you can bet that there will be More.

A warhound wouldn't be out of the question, seeing that they have the Stompa. They need to give the Eldar some love, as well as the Tau, the Necrons, and the Chaos, so you can bet that we can expect some other races titans.


The biggest issue that I have is the price.

At 95 bucks, these so called "Large scale" models are seriously lacking.
Better that they just show how to scratchbuild titans, and drop datafexs then to spend the resources to produce craptasticly overly expensively underperforming large scale plastic paper weights then to keep dropping turd on something that won't get the play.

I am not a real fan of these models, but thats just my opinion.

I would rather the effort be put into tightening up the rules sets, the codexs, and more options to the game, as well as to remove the little "One codex at a time" thing.

Grot 6 wrote:With this Planetfall suppliment, you can bet that there will be More.

A warhound wouldn't be out of the question, seeing that they have the Stompa. They need to give the Eldar some love, as well as the Tau, the Necrons, and the Chaos, so you can bet that we can expect some other races titans.


The biggest issue that I have is the price.

At 95 bucks, these so called "Large scale" models are seriously lacking.
Better that they just show how to scratchbuild titans, and drop datafexs then to spend the resources to produce craptasticly overly expensively underperforming large scale plastic paper weights then to keep dropping turd on something that won't get the play.

I am not a real fan of these models, but thats just my opinion.

I would rather the effort be put into tightening up the rules sets, the codexs, and more options to the game, as well as to remove the little "One codex at a time" thing.

Price isn't the problem for me, it's the fact that they aren't made of plastic. When I first tried to build a metal model, I left the glue to dry overnight for one piece and it fell off when i picked it up not next morning, but next afternoon. I don't want to imagine how bad resin would be after what I've been hearing on this board. If I wasn't worried about that, I'd have gotten a warhound (among other things from FW) ages ago.

I would kill for a plastic Thunderbolt.

Grot 6 wrote:
I would rather the effort be put into tightening up the rules sets, the codexs, and more options to the game, as well as to remove the little "One codex at a time" thing.

How does the modelling department creating superheavies affect the rules development guys?
I would imagine that they already had the Rules guys working on something while the minis guys were working on the superheavies.
Besides, the rules dept seems kinda thin for a while now, so maybe they put a couple of the minis guys to work on superheavies while the 3-4 rule guys attempted to get some rules out. All pure speculation, but I am sure that the model and rules teams can be independently tasked.

I will bank on Brimstone's prediction.
After that, I bet Thunderhawk. Maybe the Chaos Droppod, but they don't have them in the codex, do they?

I'm going to guess for:
- Ork Stompa options kit
- Eldar Scorpion (which allows for Cobra and other variants)
- Imperial Warhound (once FW sales start to decline a little)
- Eldar Revenant
- Marine Thunderhawk (~6th Ed)
- Tau superheavy grav tank
roughly in the above order.

Apoc is selling well, so I think Eldar Scorpion is sooner, rather than later.

Hellfury wrote:.....I still maintain new terrain would be to everyone's benefit. It is neutral ground that doesn't step on anyone's toes as far as model updates and everyone loves to play on nice tables that do not have a high degree of redundancy of design on them when considering GW terrain.

Noooooo! Build your own terrain, get more models!

jabbakahut wrote:So many people think Warhound merely because that is what they want.

I don't know how many parts are in the baneblade kit (GW not FW), but the Warhound has 150 pieces. The detail lost in converting this into a plastic kit with only 50 pieces would be horrible.

Given that it polled tied for first with the Thunderhawk on BoLS, of course this is the case.

Warhound could easily be converted to a mass-production Mars-based design to cut the parts count without losing any significant detail or options. It's just a really big Dreadnought, and that was just simplified to the ultimate in AoBR. If you want to go larger, look at the Defiler for comparison...

So the Warhound can be designed as:
- 2 Feet as bases with 3 upper toes & heel base (8)
- 2 Legs in 2 parts, identical, with upper and lower armor plates (8)
- Hips as 2-part assembly with an armor plate and 2 dual-piston bitz (4)
- Torso as a 4 part assembly with a beetleback armor plate (5)
- 4-part head with interior Landspeeder-style crew (5+3 crew torsos)
- 2 Shoulders as a 2-part plug-in to the Torso (4)
- 2 Jump Jets as 3-part plug-in to the Torso (6)
- 2 weapon bases as 2-parts (4)
- 2 magnetizable plug-in weapons, likely 4 parts each (8)
This isn't a difficult design, and I got it down to around 50 pieces (+ crew) with no appreciable loss of detail.

As with the Defiler, the Warhound legs don't need to articulate fully, and can be swappable left vs right, square-peg into the hips and feet for the most stable model. That saves a ton of parts and hugely increases playability. If the player is somewhat ambitious, they can recut the legs and feet to repose, without too much trouble, being plastic.

The Torso can sit on semi-domed Hips, like the Dread and Defiler, for a bit of posabilty, but probably does best with a simple swivel mount for stability

The Head and Weapons all go cylinder-mounted for strength while retaining some posability.

The biggest problem is actually the weapons, as they're fairly large and don't share many parts. But make 2 of them and tie them to the armor, and you can give Chaos one VMB & PBG, while the Imperials get TL & IC.

I doubt and sincerely hope that GW won't be doing it like that John. Kits like these are all about having a crapton of parts and whatnots.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

The biggest problem is actually the weapons, as they're fairly large and don't share many parts. But make 2 of them and tie them to the armor, and you can give Chaos one VMB & PBG, while the Imperials get TL & IC.

What?!?

As a future (hopefully!) Princeps of a plastic Imperial Waround, I demand the ability to field the Vulcan Mega-Bolter and Plasma Blastgun version!

Though seeing a box set with 4 weapon options isn't that hard to envision...

Oh look! It's retcon coming to fix things up just in time for the new plastic kit!

I don't think Chaos would need a (plastic) superheavy of their own. There are rules for a Nurgle specific Baneblade and with a little bit of imagination, you can easily design your own large demon machine for apoc with one of the Bladeblade kits.


Is anyone else pissed about the lack of options on the stompa? Sure, it has a lot of guns and stuff, but not counting the WD datasheets, there are 3 different Stompas in the 2 Apocalypse books, it would've been nice to get at least some parts for the tracotr-beam and/or a second CC weapon.

My dream list for plastic kits are...

Thunderhawk gunship (So I can buy 10 for my BAs)
Mars Patter Warhound (So I can get my Titan legion up nd running)
Something tyranid or eldar (Just so the xenos get some loving)

Space marines massively outnumber all the other armies for sales... why don't they have a plastic apocalypse kit?

I think we are quite likely to see a plastic Bloodthirster eventually followed by the other three.

I echo wishes about the Warhound, but would also not rule out a Revenant.

Finally for something new a large mecha for Tau, after experiencing Imperial Titans in the Damocles crusade and capturing one on T'ros I think the big walker concept is only a matter of time.

As much as i would love revenant eldar titan, they dont
seem to have as much variety of weapons as titan grav tanks -_- so it'll lower the possibility by alot.

i think with FW having the reaver not out that long that maybe a warhound could go plastic and let FW focus on even larger? maybe every army will get a good sized sample for apoc and planet strike. in the times of seeing multiple wave releases maybe theres a formation of apoc specific releases (stompa and stormlord as an example) that could point to a "between army" release of big juicy stuff?

BrookM wrote:I doubt and sincerely hope that GW won't be doing it like that John.

Kits like these are all about having a crapton of parts and whatnots.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. A lot depends on what fits on the half-dozen sprues allotted for the base model. My parts breakdown was mostly illustrative, but probably not far from reality. At least one of the legs must be solid and keyed to the foot and hips just to make a stable, playable model (look at how GW used a semi-foot on the Stompa, for pity's sake). The rest is standard model kit layout and follows from the basic design of the thing. You might get a couple inserts or tack-ons for extra detail, but that woudln't greatly change the kit design or parts layout. And I'd be much happier with a kit like that if the cost stayed at the $90 price point we've seen to date.

Sure, but look at the original Baneblade - all we got was HF/HB swap for the sponsons and a single main barrel option, along with a few bitz for the commander. Not a lot when you think about it. The Bane/Doom/Hell/Storm/Shadowsword/hammer/lord has more reversible parts and a more modular main gun, but gives up the movable turret. I don't doubt that there would be bitz, but I wouldn't count on too many if the kit requires complex, large weapons.
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Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:The biggest problem is actually the weapons, as they're fairly large and don't share many parts. But make 2 of them and tie them to the armor, and you can give Chaos one VMB & PBG, while the Imperials get TL & IC.

As a future (hopefully!) Princeps of a plastic Imperial Waround, I demand the ability to field the Vulcan Mega-Bolter and Plasma Blastgun version!

Though seeing a box set with 4 weapon options isn't that hard to envision...

No problem. Just buy the Chaos weapon sprue for however much it costs, just like GW sells extra Sponsons.

The problem with including all 4 weapons is that it kills demand for a second release as a separate Chaos Warhound. Potentially, it could be 3 weapons, overlapping the PBG and TL, so the Imperials get TL, PBG, & IC vs Chaos TL, PBG, & VMB. Or overlap the PBG & VMB so the Imperials get the TL and Chaos gets the IC?
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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Space marines massively outnumber all the other armies for sales... why don't they have a plastic apocalypse kit?

I think you answered your own question.

SM massively outnumber the others, so they don't need an Apoc kit to drive sales. Plus, they can piggyback off the Imperials. And really, what could be better for GW than having each SM player start an IG army???

JohnHwangDD wrote:

SM massively outnumber the others, so they don't need an Apoc kit to drive sales. Plus, they can piggyback off the Imperials. And really, what could be better for GW than having each SM player start an IG army???

This is a good point. SM just need to ally with IG when it comes to Super Heavy Vehicles. While I have no desire to start an Imperial Guard army, I would like to get a Baneblade in order to have it allied with my Salamanders for Apocalyptic Battles.

I suppose the releases will be driven by whatever codex
is due for release.
I'd like to see them filling gaps in armies and also
using plastic to replace too expensive metal figures like the
following:
1)Replace all metal necron units with plastic.It is way too
high in price to buy the likes of 10 man unit of pariahs for
instance.
2)Same with Sisters of battle.
3)A new marine tank that isn't a land raider variant!
4)I've said it before but I'd like to see a totally redone
Sm tactical squad in new poses.

Indeed, re Space Marines in Apocalypse.

Their strength lies in the formations and oodles of Tactical Assests each comes with.

I tend to view Space Marines, IG, Titan Legions and the Navy as a single entity for Apocalypse, much more of a Crusade style force, than allied ones.

I'm betting a thunderhawk before any thunderbolts or titans. I think GW will try to eventually do a superheavy for each race or until they reach a point of diminishing returns and can't turn a profit on them. Thunderhawks are the most likely thing, since SM are the most popular and suffer in apocalypse. I think a Nid super heavy would blow people away and stands a good chance of being the next thing. With the Tyranid and Eldar super heavies the generally lower mass of their titans I think make those more appealing as kits from GW's side than the Eldar super heavy grav tanks.

Necrons, Tau, and Dark eldar I think are low man on the totem pole for larger kits. With the Inquisition factions only benefiting from the SM and IG drippings.

I also think the tyranid things will probably be done in conjunction with whenever they get their codex redone. Looking at the fantasy line it becomes very clear some of the leaps in ability GW has made with plastics. More than any other army Tyranids benefit from the ability to produce these large organic designs. The carnifex spent the last three editions getting larger and larger as they tried to full fill the tyranid's requirement for something in a tank role. I bet in their next codex, carnifexes will be nerfed and something larger like an Exocrine or one of the classically tank sized creatures will be done, maybe with variants. I see this as a very strong likely hood.

I think Dark Eldar stand to benefit the most from the technology, with their ground up redo. New raider, new bikes, but that they won't see a super heavy.

I guess for 'Nids a Hyrodule would make sense, since he comes in different versions, unlike the Trygon.

It seems farfetched, but if they do update the DE codex, we'll probably finally see same new plastic kits for them.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm betting a thunderhawk before any thunderbolts or titans.

I think GW will try to eventually do a superheavy for each race or until they reach a point of diminishing returns and can't turn a profit on them.

With the Tyranid and Eldar super heavies the generally lower mass of their titans I think make those more appealing as kits from GW's side than the Eldar super heavy grav tanks.

I bet in their next codex, carnifexes will be nerfed and something larger like an Exocrine or one of the classically tank sized creatures will be done, maybe with variants.

I think Dark Eldar stand to benefit the most from the technology, with their ground up redo. New raider, new bikes, but that they won't see a super heavy.

I generally agree with all of the above.

Thunderhawk will definitely appear before Thunderbolts, but I think the Warhound is very likely due to the equally broad demand and interest.

I agree that all races will (eventually) receive Superheavies / Biotitans as long as Apoc keeps moving along.

I don't think that the Revenant is especially more attractive than the Scorpion because it is limited in variants, whereas a Scorpion can do a lot of things with Turret and Weapon swaps. GW can get more mileage out of the Scorpion chassis.

The Nid biotitans will be awesome. And I expect to see a plastic Hive Tyrant as well. With optional wings. This will make up for the heavy nerfage that the Carnifex will receive. (like the WL nerf, a Carnifex nerf is a given at this point). But please, *please* let GW refine the sculpts away from the "face in the pillow" monster. Make the Heirodule look cool and scary, rather than slow and lumpy.

Dark Eldar will need to prove themselves with sales before they get a Superheavy. Just like the Orks. Ork sales were awesome, so they got their Stompa.

Plastic Raptors. Plastic Plague Marines. Completely plastic Thousand Sons.

"THIS JUST IN, WITH THE RELEASE OF ALL THE ABOVE, CHAOS SPACE MARINES JUST BECAME THE MOST POPULAR ARMY TO DATE. WE GO NOW LIVE TO A 40K VETERAN WHO'S BEEN PLAYING RAPID-ATTACK DEATH GUARD FOR 2 DECADES. SIR WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS PHENOMENAL BREAKTHROUGH OF PLASTIC?!"

"Dammit."

JohnHwangDD wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm betting a thunderhawk before any thunderbolts or titans.

Thunderhawk will definitely appear before Thunderbolts

Well yeah, why would they do a Thunderbolt right after they just did the Valkyrie?

We were responding to something someone else said. One poster said they'd like to see a Thunderbolt. We were saying we'll probably see a Thunderhawk before then.

Which is a shame, really.

Based on the fact that the Froge World Baneblades were/are £130 (or there abouts) and the new(er) plastic ktis are £60, I'd love a plastic Hierophant so that it comes down from £198!!!

I believe that there could be a nice piece of scenery on the horizon, a 40k piece in fact.

Terrain eh? I guess with Apocalypse being so popular a plastic defence laser would be cool. The one at GW's head office has been appearing in enough battle reports and there is a datasheet for it.

Wannabe Writer wrote:Based on the fact that the Froge World Baneblades were/are £130 (or there abouts) and the new(er) plastic ktis are £60, I'd love a plastic Hierophant so that it comes down from £198!!!

In that case, I'd love a plastic Manta so they come down from £875.95!

A little bird tells me some time ago they were working on moulds for ships... but no idea if it went anywhere....

New terrain? Ten to one it will be that landing pad in one form or the other, or those modular bunkers that they have been hinting at for aeons now.

Tau super-heavy tank of some type. Tau bikes, plastic pathfinders, remove the metal parts from the broadside kits and perhaps some more terrain kits, like tau, eldar or necron peices?