today an organization called every 15 minutes....
today at the footbal field the had a reanactment of a dui crash
2 people died in that crash
one on scene then one on the helicopter on the way too the hospital
a 17 year old got arrested
it was hard to watch
we kept making jokes to make it less real
we were all afraid of thehelicopter that it might hit us
they kid got charged with vehiclular manslauter
but early the day
some on dressed as the grim reaper cam into my class and took a student and left a rose on the desk
then officer came in and informed us of the death the reaper took
it happened twice
it was tough man
i thought it was stupid util that happened
im about to cry almost it was hard
but early the day
some on dressed as the grim reaper cam into my class and took a student and left a rose on the desk
See that was your first mistake. Under common law you were perfectly within your rights to shoot the potential kidnapper 14-18 times with 9mm+P jacketed hollow points to avert the kidnapping (Winchester silver tips would have been excellent in this cirumstance). If only you had done that, then the rest of this sorry incident would never have occurred. Its that type of laziness that is just sapping the vital essences of this nation.
Back in my day, had a helicopter gotten near us we would have rioted and climbed all over it. But then, again, we excelled in personal achievement in that sort of thing.
EDIT: I just realized thats good money that have gone to, you know, fighting crime.
You want to stop DUIs? Execute the offenders. On TV. Make the high school watch. No more DUIs.
They were scheduled to do one of those at my local highschool (I graduated from there) recently, but they decided to pass on it. Three kids have died this year, not bad drivers or drunk at the wheel, just unlucky. M.A.D.D. have done a great job driving teen drinking into the underground, criminalizing and marginalizing people based on age. I will say they have brought the D.U.I. accident rate down over the years, but they haven't done anything to really help the core problem.
Car crash re-enactment in the parking lot. People came in for a student from a random class every 15 minutes - the rest of the day the kids dressed in all black and didn't talk. End of the day, we had a school-wide assembly where all the "killed kids" had to read a "message to their loved ones". One of the guys from my class (great kid, never saw him not cheerful and friendly) was choking up as he read his note to his family. It was pretty rough.
What's obnoxious was that one of the starting players on my HS's football team was guilty of a deadly DUI accident before our senior year started.
I'm with Typeline, though, the program doesn't really attack the underlying issue.
garret wrote:
but early the day
some on dressed as the grim reaper cam into my class and took a student and left a rose on the desk
then officer came in and informed us of the death the reaper took
it happened twice
it was tough man
i thought it was stupid util that happened
im about to cry almost it was hard
Did they roll a one? (Poor taste Talisman reference).
I remember when we had one of those. We joked when they put one of the girls in a body bag and zipped it up. I said to my friend "Dang, they thought she was ugly too.". As a note, never laugh at something that is supposed to be serious, people stare.
No I’m just old enough to recognize the BS when I see it and then speak up about it. Who here’s lost someone to a DUI raise their hands? (Frazzled raises his)
Its do gooder nonsense that costs a lot of money. People who’ve actually had a hard life just laugh at this stuff. Grim reaper? Wearing black robes? What a joke FOR vanilla manginas, made BY vanilla manginas.
halonachos wrote:No, he probably just lost his faith in humanity.
Well generally 9 out of 10 dogs are better than people. The 10th was just raised improperly, but there’s hope yet.
EDIT: I just realized thats good money that have gone to, you know, fighting crime.
You want to stop DUIs? make the officers file the right charges on the crime instead of just trying to inflate their arrest totals
Fixed that there for you . I can't tell you how many charges of public intoxication I have done the paperwork on that really should have been DUI but the cop didnt feel like filing the real paperwork and just moved it out as a class C misdemeanor instead of the higher charge because they both count the same on their arrest totals. I can't even say anything to them because that would be "questioning the officers integrity and authority" which i AM NOT ALLOWED TO DO... EVEN WHEN I CATCH THERM IN A LIE!!! yes... I have been told by my superiors that it is perfectly OK for officers to LIE on SWORN DOCUMENTS. They can even go back and change their sworn statements AFTER they have sworn to it and stated directly opposite what they have written. All this in the name of protecting the integrity and authority of the cops. How are you going to stop the crooks when the enforcers are just as crooked.
So wait, just that I get that right:
The situation described by the OP was only an excercise or something? And then someone really died?
And what's up with that Grim Reaper crap? Sounds like a bad joke.
Anung Un Rama wrote:So wait, just that I get that right:
The situation described by the OP was only an excercise or something? And then someone really died?
And what's up with that Grim Reaper crap? Sounds like a bad joke.
Orlanth is right-it started as booze only but it or similar charges include driving under the influence of drugs. Its a state by state thing.
Yes no one died. Its all a show to scare teenagers into not drinking and driving. And yes its a bad joke, a very bad stupid joke.
I could see them trying this in Compton or the wards. First they would be laughed at. Then they would be robbed. Then the "crashed" vehicle would be hotwired and driven off. The someone might do a drive by on them for being so stupid and out of touch. Idiots.
Respectfully, that argument has been the rationalization of the dictator/Big Mother for many years. Won't someone please think of the children!!!
*What if it costs $500bn? Is it still worth it?
*What about rape, murder, robbery, corporate fraud, welfare cheats (ok there may be no difference there)every other crime? Are we going to have national rape day on campus? How are they going to demonstrate that?
Again, just show a nice video of the last DUI criminal getting capped and you can save all that money.
We don't have natioal rape day, we have tons of sexual assault meetings and the "Lifetime cable network." Where if you are a male, you are a Abusive, raping, pedofile, murdering, monster. I really don't mind, Scaring kids straight and making them think can't be bad.
I'm not sure if the whole thing is a very good or bad idea, but the whole thing with people getting taken out of class by a guy dressed as Death seems just very awkward and not really threatening.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm not sure if the whole thing is a very good or bad idea, but the whole thing with people getting taken out of class by a guy dressed as Death seems just very awkward and not really threatening.
Hence why its important to act as its presented-a kidnapping, and a chance to go Mano O Mano with Death and win!
After you beat death senseless, you could sue the school and whatever numbnuts organization that is for mental duress from the trauma they put you through.
What about all the rapes in the military that are never reported?
Or the rapes in mental institutions and long-term care facilities?
Or the rise in suicides by military recruiters? (I find that one a little bit fething hilarious right there!)
More people die from sheer stupidity when not drinking or using drugs than because of drunk drivers, by a great margin.
And there are still SIX and a half BILLION people on the planet, and the population is growing every day.
Life is not sacred, it's an infestation.
Perhaps a Zombie Apocalypse would not be such a bad thing.
Flame on!
Oh, and just for good measure - IN BEFORE LOCK!
Wow they actually flew a helicopter really close to you? Deffkopta much? Yeah lets show the kids that DUIs are bad by almost killing the lot. Why don't they attach hydraulic arms with buzzsaws on the ends to make more convincing?
I would have laughed at the guy dressed like the reaper. Honestly, people would take that seriously? If they did, wouldn't be running like hell because IT'S THE FETHING REAPER?
Life is not sacred, it's an infestation. Spoken like a true Anime villian. Sooner or later people will have to find a new place to live, starve, or die to some plague or natural disaster. Life is a miracle (Of nature/God, your choice). Joking: If you are worried about too much life, you can always start a death cult!
sexiest_hero wrote:Life is not sacred, it's an infestation. Spoken like a true Anime villian. Sooner or later people will have to find a new place to live, starve, or die to some plague or natural disaster. Life is a miracle (Of nature/God, your choice). Joking: If you are worried about too much life, you can always start a death cult!
Is it enough that I am a senior member of the ancient and honorable cult of gamers who have forsworn all chance of having a social life? I would become a cannibal, but I've heard that Human flesh is not safe to eat, which would be especially bad for me because I like my steaks rare.
I tend to agree with the "Life is not sacred" argument. But saying that or supporting it doesn't really mean I want to kill the world, but I would like to see some Zombie Apocalypse. For the record, I do Home Health Care, I am death's usher at work. I've bagged a few bodies in my day.
garret wrote:you peaple are horrible
especially ou frazzled
you guys dont seem to get what this is about
i want this topic blocked know
You've got to be trying to be funny, only I type that badly.
Respectfully, what is it about then?
Sorry but turkeys running around in robes with fake funerals blah blah just sounds 1. Stupid. 2. Funny as hell 3. a waste of my money 4. Did I mention stupid? Its like a real life version of Hamlet II where the director gets to do a life play with the whole school.
ROck rock me, rock me sexy Jesus!
Mind though, you should meet his daughter.....*
*Disclaimer: The above was, of course, a subtley fragranced homage to Genghis Connie (ALL HAIL). Copyright 2009, void where prohibited etc etc.
Genghis Connie spares you life on the condition you bring her..A SHRUBBERY!
one thing to say be fore lock
this entire thing is to show the gravity and the reality of dui and related things
its not to scare its to inform
if you were there youd be with me period
read this dammit
I went to a party, Mom,
I remembered what you said.
You told me not to drink, Mom,
So I drank soda instead.
I really felt proud inside, Mom,
The way you said I would.
I didn't drink and drive, Mom,
Even though the others said I should.
I know I did the right thing, Mom,
I know you are always right.
Now the party is finally ending, Mom,
As everyone is driving out of sight.
As I got into my car, Mom,
I knew I'd get home in one piece.
Because of the way you raised me,
So responsible and sweet.
I started to drive away, Mom,
But as I pulled out into the road,
The other car didn't see me, Mom,
And hit me like a load.
As I lay there on the pavement, Mom,
I hear the policeman say,
"The other guy is drunk," Mom,
And now I'm the one who will pay.
I'm lying here dying, Mom...
I wish you'd get here soon.
How could this happen to me, Mom?
My life just burst like a balloon.
There is blood all around me, Mom,
And most of it is mine.
I hear the medic say, Mom,
I'll die in a short time.
I just wanted to tell you, Mom,
I swear I didn't drink.
It was the others, Mom.
The others didn't think.
He was probably at the same party as I.
The only difference is, he drank
And I will die.
Why do people drink, Mom?
It can ruin your whole life.
I'm feeling sharp pains now.
Pains just like a knife.
The guy who hit me is walking, Mom,
And I don't think it's fair.
I'm lying here dying
And all he can do is stare.
Tell my brother not to cry, Mom.
Tell Daddy to be brave.
And when I go to heaven, Mom,
Put "Daddy's Girl" on my grave.
Someone should have told him, Mom,
Not to drink and drive.
If only they had told him, Mom,
I would still be alive.
My breath is getting shorter, Mom.
I'm becoming very scared.
Please don't cry for me, Mom.
When I needed you,
you were always there.
I have one last question, Mom.
Before I say good bye.
I didn't drink and drive,
So why am I the one to die?
Here's one
"Once there was a place where it never rained. THE END."
(Holes)
Sorry teenage emo angst. I can't help myself. Its like shooting fish in a barrel. You're "talking" to an uncaring unfiltered version of your Dad here you realize that right. You also realize he has a copy of all those dorky pictures you took when you were younger or in "a phase" and is just waiting to take them out and embarrass you with the GF right.
Dads: We forgive but we don't forget. We're just waiting for payback.
"Here's a pic a Jr. with that cowboy hat and blanket. Yes he's buck naked we could never keep his clothes on him."
Modquisition on:
Frazzled cut it out.
Moodquisition.
Shucks ok, I feel your pain.
Kinda resembles those chain letter things you find on Youtube all the time. I hate those.
As Anung said, we KNOW what this is about, we just question the ways that the messages are put out.
Scaring the gak out of you with a helicopter, a dude dressed as the reaper coming in and taking one of the students and saying she's dead, and a fake funeral. Doesn't that sound a LITTLE bit strange?
You could just show these kids a video with explicit scenes of violence and gore caused by recklesss driving.
I don't know if that would be more effective but at least it wouldn't be a friggin' fake funerall!!!
Anung Un Rama wrote:You could just show these kids a video with explicit scenes of violence and gore caused by recklesss driving.
I don't know if that would be more effective but at least it wouldn't be a friggin' fake funerall!!!
They used to-called Blood on the Highway. It was so bad we cheered although it made the girls green.
They showed us a vid that showed a fat dude driving with one hand. He was rofling all the way then he lost control then he flew out of his seat and ricocheted into the back seat.
The real thing makes all that show seem kind of hollow. It is important to reach the youngsters, but when you see the real accident, there is nothing like it.
Where I used to live, our driveway was after a hill on a bend on a rural road. We would have accidents on that bend from time to time. One day about dusk we heard this loud bang down at the end of our driveway. When we got down there we found a jeep in three parts. The engine, the chassis, and the body. Apparently they had run off the road, and hit the culvert launching their jeep high into the air. The jeep came down on the back end. There were 4 teens in it. We found out later, they had just left a graduation party. The girl who was in the passengers seat, I will never forget. I remember seeing her hip bone sticking up about a foot and a half. To say she was mangled is polite. The two guys in the back were dead on impact. Probably their spines were pulverized. The driver was staggering around asking, "Why his friends wouldn't get up?" He had a few broken ribs. Understand that this was out in the country, so we had a volunteer fire department. Well, they started showing up. One of the firemen was the uncle of the girl. He had to be held back from killing the driver. If you want to know what pain sounds like.....it would have been his voice that day.
It is easy to laugh about DUI. But when the result is young children all over the road, it isn't very funny.
garret wrote:one thing to say be fore lock
this entire thing is to show the gravity and the reality of dui and related things
its not to scare its to inform
if you were there youd be with me period
read this dammit
I went to a party, Mom,
I remembered what you said.
You told me not to drink, Mom,
So I drank soda instead.
I really felt proud inside, Mom,
The way you said I would.
I didn't drink and drive, Mom,
Even though the others said I should.
I know I did the right thing, Mom,
I know you are always right.
Now the party is finally ending, Mom,
As everyone is driving out of sight.
As I got into my car, Mom,
I knew I'd get home in one piece.
Because of the way you raised me,
So responsible and sweet.
I started to drive away, Mom,
But as I pulled out into the road,
The other car didn't see me, Mom,
And hit me like a load.
As I lay there on the pavement, Mom,
I hear the policeman say,
"The other guy is drunk," Mom,
And now I'm the one who will pay.
I'm lying here dying, Mom...
I wish you'd get here soon.
How could this happen to me, Mom?
My life just burst like a balloon.
There is blood all around me, Mom,
And most of it is mine.
I hear the medic say, Mom,
I'll die in a short time.
I just wanted to tell you, Mom,
I swear I didn't drink.
It was the others, Mom.
The others didn't think.
He was probably at the same party as I.
The only difference is, he drank
And I will die.
Why do people drink, Mom?
It can ruin your whole life.
I'm feeling sharp pains now.
Pains just like a knife.
The guy who hit me is walking, Mom,
And I don't think it's fair.
I'm lying here dying
And all he can do is stare.
Tell my brother not to cry, Mom.
Tell Daddy to be brave.
And when I go to heaven, Mom,
Put "Daddy's Girl" on my grave.
Someone should have told him, Mom,
Not to drink and drive.
If only they had told him, Mom,
I would still be alive.
My breath is getting shorter, Mom.
I'm becoming very scared.
Please don't cry for me, Mom.
When I needed you,
you were always there.
I have one last question, Mom.
Before I say good bye.
I didn't drink and drive,
So why am I the one to die?
thunder bolts and lightning, very very frightning.
but yea, i'd say the vids of actual scenes would be more effective then some cheap theatricals.
though what helped strike the message home for me was losing someone i knew that way, and then one of the things they were remembered for at their funeral was being a ranked player in some game.
If that whole Reaper buiseness would happen to me (if I was still in school) everbody would have a good laugh because I neither drink or take drugs at all.
Frazzled wrote:Respectfully, that argument has been the rationalization of the dictator/Big Mother for many years. Won't someone please think of the children!!!
*What if it costs $500bn? Is it still worth it?
*What about rape, murder, robbery, corporate fraud, welfare cheats (ok there may be no difference there)every other crime? Are we going to have national rape day on campus? How are they going to demonstrate that?
Again, just show a nice video of the last DUI criminal getting capped and you can save all that money.
500 Billion worth it?
Yeah.
You got kids. Right, Frazz? I do, too... mine are worth far more to me than that.
Would you say YOURS is worth $500 billion?
We DO have all of those things demonstrated. They just don't get a special "day." Our youth are incessantly educated at school and on television about the evilness of rape. Movies are always showing the evil of rape and showing women who overcome it. Yes. I'm aware that there are things out there that show the exact oppoosite, as well. My point is that the lessons and reminders ARE out there.
embezzlers are all over the news, humiliated and expeosed for what they are. Shoot, ask any high school student what he knows about Bernie Madoff. I'd wager most KNOW what he did and what's going to happen to him (allegedly, of course).
Killing someone because they DUI... Wow. That's even harsher than *I* get. ; )
Frazzled wrote:
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm not sure if the whole thing is a very good or bad idea, but the whole thing with people getting taken out of class by a guy dressed as Death seems just very awkward and not really threatening.
Hence why its important to act as its presented-a kidnapping, and a chance to go Mano O Mano with Death and win!
After you beat death senseless, you could sue the school and whatever numbnuts organization that is for mental duress from the trauma they put you through.
You seem to be under the presumption that it was random kids.
The kids taken from class in this manner are volunteers. they know it's going to happen. Tpically, they're members of S.A.D.D. or a similar group. That's why they just *happened* to have a change of (all black) clothes on hand.
Saving money is good. I don't think that this whole dui day thing is a good idea. When I was younger, the only thing outside of my parents telling me about not drinking and driving was my drivers ed class and a boy scout thing where cops came over to my troop and showed us livers and stuff and told us that dui's were bad. This whole idea of bringing the grim reaper into class is just dumb and expensive...
You seem to be under the presumption that it was random kids.
The kids taken from class in this manner are volunteers. they know it's going to happen. Tpically, they're members of S.A.D.D. or a similar group. That's why they just *happened* to have a change of (all black) clothes on hand.
Irrelevant, under common law, and Texas law, you can stop a kidnapping with deadly force. If you perceive a kidnapping is occuring that school desk makes an excellent weapon while you call on your cell phone to the police that mass kidnappings are occurring on campus by masked men. For an extra bonus tell the police the masked men are kidnapping the football coach (NOT THE FOOTBALL COACH!!!! SON YOU DON"T WITH FOOTBALL IN TEXAS)Then get some popcorn and a coke, go sit in the lunchroom and watch the highjinks as hundreds of heavily armed heavily ed off cops storm the school and take out Death and his kindred spirits. Oh the fun you will have!
After all, in the US we don't do anythying about our school massacres.
So, wait, you think that the government is justified in spending 500 billion dollars to stop a kid from getting himself killed?
I don't think you understand how money works.
First off, $500b is a drastically exaggerated amount.
Second, it is not the government that is spending all the money that schools are using for these programs. Most, in fact, are from private donations and fund raisers
Third, and most importantly, you must not have kids.
I don't think you understand what being a parent is.
So, wait, you think that the government is justified in spending 500 billion dollars to stop a kid from getting himself killed?
I don't think you understand how money works.
First off, $500b is a drastically exaggerated amount.
Second, it is not the government that is spending all the money that schools are using for these programs. Most, in fact, are from private donations and fund raisers
Third, and most importantly, you must not have kids.
I don't think you understand what being a parent is.
Eric
I have kids and understand what being a parent is. This scheme is still blindingly stupid and still blindingly expensive if they are wrecking cars and have helicopters banging about. I bet private donations didn't foot the bill for that lifeflight copter. Take that money and spend on more worthwhile endeavors.
Frazzled wrote:
I have kids and understand what being a parent is. This scheme is still blindingly stupid and still blindingly expensive if they are wrecking cars and have helicopters banging about. I bet private donations didn't foot the bill for that lifeflight copter. Take that money and spend on more worthwhile endeavors.
I'll chime in since they did this at my HS when I was there:
They didn't have a copter for the event at my school, so that situation is different, but the cars they wrecked were previously wrecked (or donated cars that were subsequently wrecked) cars that they brought in and had volunteers play victims and the volunteer fire-department came in to demonstrate the rescue. Minus getting in a copter, it's not _that_ expensive.
No prob, Frazz. Granted, this was only how it went down at my school - can't vouch for every iteration of this program.
The thing with this program, while not necessarily tackling the core issues, is visceral enough to make an impact on a fair number of kids. It wasn't so theatrical at my school (ie, no guy dressed as Death - just a couple of the volunteers for the program coming in and calling for the volunteer victims). It's easy to dismiss the whole thing from an outside perspective, but as a kid in school, when you're reminded every fifteen minutes (I think I recall the name of the student being chimed through the school PA system every fifteen minutes) throughout the day about it, it tends to stick to some part of your mind about the meaning behind the whole campaign.
Like I mentioned the first time I posted in this thread, at day's end when this happened at my HS, everyone who was "called out" had to read out-loud a letter that they had to write out to their parents/family/friends from the perspective of a kid who'd lost their life from a DUI accident. Some might call it cheesy/dumb/whatever, but I can tell you that not one person snickered or laughed throughout that entire assembly. To be brutally reminded of your own mortality at a point in your life when you typically feel invincible and full of life isn't worthless, and I would say probably affects more kids than you'd think.
That being said, again, there're other issues at hand which are not well addressed by this program. Still, I don't think it's a particularly expensive program (I'm pretty sure it's not government funded at least), and it has a non-trivial amount of emotional impact that merely showing footage of car-crashes and visually shocking kids fails to do.
did i for get to mention that the reaper was an ununiformed officer the govtment had nothing to to about this it was a private organiztion being sponserd by members and businesess
garret wrote:did i for get to mention that the reaper was an ununiformed officer
the govtment had nothing to to about this
it was a private organiztion being sponserd by members and businesess
Okay, yeah, probably should have mentioned that one, it kinda kills my idea of the government being wasteful. If its just citizens being wasteful, then thats okay.
Frazzled wrote:I have kids and understand what being a parent is. This scheme is still blindingly stupid and still blindingly expensive if they are wrecking cars and have helicopters banging about. I bet private donations didn't foot the bill for that lifeflight copter. Take that money and spend on more worthwhile endeavors.
I know YOU know, Frazz. I was referring to Orkeosaurus. Sorry if I was unclear.
IF they were specifically wrecking the cars for the event, you're right. Mostly, though, the cars are non-functional donated autos from REAL DUI wrecks.
My kids high school, when we lived in VA, used to put one up in front of school for a couple weeks before Prom.
Typically, the copter is paid for with donations. Yes. At least, at my high school, it was (granted, this was about 20 years ago
Orkeosaurus wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:First off, $500b is a drastically exaggerated amount.
But you agreed with the 500 billion...
Yes. I did... and do.
You failed to comment on the rest of the post.
Do you have kids? I doubt it, or you'd understand.
Look... Frazz agrees with you, AND he has a kid... ask him if HIS kid is worth a $500b expenditure. Ask your parents if YOU are. LOL Shoot. Ask MY parents if *I* am (and I'm 37; not quite a kid anymore).
mcfly wrote:Okay, yeah, probably should have mentioned that one, it kinda kills my idea of the government being wasteful. If its just citizens being wasteful, then thats okay.
You weren't directly saying, but I'm presuming thie was sarcasm. Please, forgive me if it wasn't. : )
cars were functional but donatedted from a dealership
i know this because they had shown a video where they were driving the cars and showed the "crash"
everything was donated
even the fake beer bottle that they were drinking from
except from the actual response vehicles and officers
It's not a matter of "will I spend everything I have to prevent my kid from dying", it's a matter of what is reasonable for a chance of something happening.
You say you'd give everything you have to save one of your children, correct? There's not the slightest thing wrong with that, but would you spend everything you have* trying and show your kids the dangers of drunk driving? I should hope not. It's irrational, you'd probably do more harm to them in your bankruptcy than you would with your demonstration.
Now, your second point was fair enough; it was a hypothetical 500 billion dollars, and I assumed it was the government spending this hypothetical money, or at least a portion of it (and, to be fair, even a tiny portion of 500 billion dollars is absurdly large). My main issue is with people who say that every government program that "could save one life" needs to be given whatever amount of money they ask, on the rationale that "you can't put a price on a child's life" or some similar rationale. That doesn't work, in actuality (you wouldn't have a government very soon...), but I may have went off on a bit of a tangent there. Sorry about that, I didn't mean to imply that financial gain should be more important to you than the people you love.
Also, no I'm not a parent. You called me on that.
* Hypothetically, of course, the actual demonstration put on by the volunteer groups was probably far less of an expense, especially when broken down among it's supporters.
Heres a video of one of the things. As you can see its rather cheesy and incredibly corny. You get to see a car taken apart though, so its kind of worth it. I missed over half of my math class so that was good too.
I agree with frazzled, if you have ever seen an actual person die or been to an actual funeral this program is nonsense. BTW when I laughed the people in front turned around and one of the girls was crying. Her friends said that one of her friends had died in a DUI crash. I said "Well, I've seen people die of cancer and suffer from it. At least her friend probably died right away with little suffering.".
I'm a horrible person.
EDIT: Of course we don't see the trial/hospital stuff till after the whole thing is over.
halonachos wrote:
I agree with frazzled, if you have ever seen an actual person die or been to an actual funeral this program is nonsense. BTW when I laughed the people in front turned around and one of the girls was crying. Her friends said that one of her friends had died in a DUI crash. I said "Well, I've seen people die of cancer and suffer from it. At least her friend probably died right away with little suffering.".
I'm a horrible person.
If I'd of been there I would have laughed with you. Doesn't make you horrible, makes you a realist.
Orkeosaurus wrote:It's not a matter of "will I spend everything I have to prevent my kid from dying", it's a matter of what is reasonable for a chance of something happening.
You say you'd give everything you have to save one of your children, correct? There's not the slightest thing wrong with that, but would you spend everything you have* trying and show your kids the dangers of drunk driving? I should hope not. It's irrational, you'd probably do more harm to them in your bankruptcy than you would with your demonstration.
If I needed to, yes, I would.
I've lost relatives to Drunk Drivers. I'd rather have the relatives than the money.
Also (and I hope it's clear that I'm NOT being argumentative. I find this to be a nice discussion, though I am not fond of the topic), you're making a case for all that expenditure to save one, specific, kid. The idea behnd it is not that you're targeting ONE kid. You're targeting them all and, if you ONLY reach one of them, the expenditure was worth it.
Admittedly, it's not really likely that anyone can ever truly survey if any kids were reached by these things. I mean, you can survey them all going in, and again coming out, and MANY will have new , changed responses that they're not gonna drink & drive. In practice, though, things might be different at this weekend's party. You know?
So, I admit that it's not overly measurable but, IMO, it's still worth the money.
Worth the money yes, but they could do something less cheesy than the "grim reaper" thing. Everyone is in bleachers so its kind of like watching a movie. They need to find something that would really reach them, like pictures of actual dead people from car crashes. Fiction can't reach the level of fear that reality can.
MagickalMemories wrote:If I needed to, yes, I would.
I've lost relatives to Drunk Drivers. I'd rather have the relatives than the money.
But that only works if you can guarantee that there wouldn't be drunk driving, or at least guarantee a significant result.
In a sense "If I needed to" is the crux of the issue. If that would save them, the money is well used. If it would probably do nothing, the money was probably not used well. Not when there's better uses for it (college, charity, whatever).
Also (and I hope it's clear that I'm NOT being argumentative. I find this to be a nice discussion, though I am not fond of the topic), you're making a case for all that expenditure to save one, specific, kid. The idea behind it is not that you're targeting ONE kid. You're targeting them all and, if you ONLY reach one of them, the expenditure was worth it.
Well, the fact that this demonstration was done on a large scale and done with mostly volunteer work and already destroyed vehicles certainly makes it a decent return for the money.
While I'm not sure I would commit my money to this kind of thing, it doesn't really seem like a waste. (Alright, the grim reaper thing would be silly, and that poem was sort of awful, but the core idea is sound.)
Admittedly, it's not really likely that anyone can ever truly survey if any kids were reached by these things. I mean, you can survey them all going in, and again coming out, and MANY will have new , changed responses that they're not gonna drink & drive. In practice, though, things might be different at this weekend's party. You know?
True.
The upside is it's probably not a devastating cost either way. (Plus, no one ever learns stuff in school anyway, so taking the time out of the day isn't much of an issue.)
The poems and such at the ending vary by school. Most of them are written by the parents or the kids who participated.
EDIT: They use their real names. So if Oscar Smith was volunteering for the program, then an obituary for Oscar Smith would be read. They don't use fake names.
i dont get you guys
if it helps stops drunk driving isnt it worth it
frazz what if the guy who kill that person saw the thing
i went in thinking it was stupid and going to be cool and fun to wacth
but after it i wanted to cry and then reading the obituary i burst into tears just thinking what if that guy actuaaly got killed
then when the father got up and read his last message to his daughter i cried
seeing the damage it can cause even if its fake can show you the damage it does
Problem is, the one who needed it DIDN'T pay attention and didn't listen to it. They are just as likely to ignore any future attempts to appeal to their better sides, too.
We had a vehicular incident [suicide by automobile] up here last week. A kid wrote off his car and killed himself. His girlfriend was devastated.
Two weeks earlier, he's written off his previous car, while DUI.
His fatal crash was done when he was driving while suspended.
These are the kids that need to hear the message. These are the kids who don't listen. They cannot be taught it, and generally only learn first hand (but then they are dead, so can't learn anyway.).
i give up on changing youe minds
one last thing
what i saw those 2 days was someyhing divine
i saw the damage it could possible do and my friend died and i cried but then i got a chance get him back
Some of us are old farts. We already know how bad it is. We also know that getting teenagers to pay attention and learn it is pretty tough (teens are invulnerable - reality has proven the fallacy of this, though). I've lost schoolfriends to 'accidents' - real funerals are tough (buried three friends on the same day). You can't make me go to a fake one.
Good that you learned something. Hopefully some of your classmates also learned. I still have doubts that the right ones will get the message.
I think the problem with this sort of thing is that the responsible kids who weren't going to drink and drive anyways pay attention and don't drink and drive. And the irresponsible kids that are going to drink and drive don't pay attention and drink and drive.
But it's time out of school so i can support that. Bonus points for the kids taken by the grim reaper - did they have to go sit somewhere or was it like free period?
