In the 'What next for fantasy' thread Eric of Grans wrote:
The next three releases for Fantasy battle are Skaven, Beasts of Chaos and an unknown new army, not in this order. There are vague rumours of Tomb Kings after these three, but they are largely based on certain items no longer being available in stores.
Now I'm not sure I completly believe that since Eric is from Australia, a nation known for being populated by criminals and the descendants of criminals but still it intrigues me.
Anyone care to share rumors or speculation? Can anyone even confirm there is something new in the pipeline?
Obviously there's always room for another spin-off army, people have talked about a Nagash undead army for years. Chaos Dwarfs are another possiblity.
Then there's the long-standing hopes for Araby, Cathay or Nippon.
1: Chaos Dwarves. A great mixed army of slow, armoured guys with warmachines, and lame horde fighters (hobgoblins and goblins and a lesser extent BOs). If they got an upgrading in the way that the Helcannon crew got, they would be beautiful.
2: Dogs of war, based around Tilea/Border Princes.
Great 'average' army that still works in the current tournament environment.
Dogs of War would be a nice "mish-mash" army. Man I remember seeing one in a store once with all those regiments of renown. Bright colours everywhere and it didn't look bad one bit.
If it is Dogs of War, I shall have to scrape my trousers off the ceiling! Was thinking of doing them as an army before I lost my job...
However, a thread on Warseer seems to allude that the race is totally new, and somehow the opposite of the Chaos Gods. Not sure how much stock to put in those rumours though, but Brimstone (not sure...might have been another reliable one!) didn't exactly shoot it down?
BrookM wrote:Dogs of War would be a nice "mish-mash" army. Man I remember seeing one in a store once with all those regiments of renown. Bright colours everywhere and it didn't look bad one bit.
I certainly hope Dogs of War rumor is true, but I doubt it. I don't play much fantasy, but I love my pike regiments and pistol-skirmishers.
I hope its a dogs of war list loved the regiments of renown feature back in one of the WD,yet somehow I think its going to be a race of cow people,cows always look at me funny!
I believe it will be Space Marines. A Chapter lost in the warp (a la Legion of the Damned) appears in another universe, in another time. Come on, we all know Games Workshop wants more Space Marines!
As for the source of that rumour, I got it from Warseer. Someone claimed to have seen an entire range of new models and a near-complete army book, but he did not reveal anything about it. All he said was that it was a completely new force, rather than a returning army (eg Chaos Dwarves) or a spin-off (eg Nagash). Everyone laughed, until Harry confirmed it to be true.
If GW releases a "brand new" army before Chaos Dwarves I think all that would be required is just to get one GW guy to admit that they finally dropped Chaos Dwarves, they just strung us along for what, 10+ years (just like they are planning to do with the Dark Eldar)? Besides didn't they say like 2-3 years ago that they would "never" release a new army until ALL pre-existing armies had been redone?
legionaires wrote:If GW releases a "brand new" army before Chaos Dwarves I think all that would be required is just to get one GW guy to admit that they finally dropped Chaos Dwarves, they just strung us along for what, 10+ years (just like they are planning to do with the Dark Eldar)? Besides didn't they say like 2-3 years ago that they would "never" release a new army until ALL pre-existing armies had been redone?
Though it brings a tear to my eye as I type it, I'll have to agree with you on this one.
A 'new' army to WFB?
The return of the Old Ones? Or, more likely, one of their vasal races?
Well, gather your torches and pitchforks, assault the GW offices and prove the higher ups wrong.
It could be Dark Eldar all over, who are being pushed back and back until someone or something can resurrect it with the right input and ideas. It could be just like with the Adeptus Mechanicus, where the "new" Tech marines and IG Enginseers were used to see if there was much interest in any future Ad. Mech. releases.
I think I've told this story before. Over 10 years ago, I was talking with Jervis J. at a GT. This was long before the gag order. Designers would tell you all kinds of things, especially if it was a personal conversation. Anyway, when asked about the chance of a Nippon or Cathay army, he said yes, they had some ideas, but with a catch -- it wasn't a human army.
I immediately thought about some kind of beastmen, although it now appears it might have been the thing that evolved into Ogre Kingdoms. Then again, maybe not. It wouldn't be the first time an idea sat around the studio for a long time before coming into fruition. Come to think of it, I swore there was a rumor going around a couple years ago either here or on Warseer about plans for a Cathay army with some monkey king themes to it.
Personally, I think it'd be hilarious if GW actually made fishmen. Even better...they should say the army's being released on April 1...and it actually is.
Cathay's Emperors all take on an animal title. The current Emperor is a "Monkey" and the previous one was a "Dragon" according to the Genevieve novels.
Its fine if you dont like the idea of it , why so rude?
He's being rude, but even though I personally like the idea of honorable bear warriors
of some kind (I even worked on a Fantasy dex that had some kind of thing) I doubt that
they would include an April Fools press release army into their main line. Would be
awesome to see as a massive conversion project (mmm, furry warriors).
I think I've told this story before. Over 10 years ago, I was talking with Jervis J. at a GT. This was long before the gag order. Designers would tell you all kinds of things, especially if it was a personal conversation. Anyway, when asked about the chance of a Nippon or Cathay army, he said yes, they had some ideas, but with a catch -- it wasn't a human army.
Actually.... somewhere...maybe in a WD article about the "silk road" or equivalent ?-- they do make mention of tiger headed "beastmen" in the Ind/Cathay area I think. Like Rakashas (sp?). Worshipped by the local humans or something.
Also... isn't that where some (2 ? 3 ?) of Nagash's proto vampires fled to when the rest went north? I know after the release of Night's Dark masters for WFRPG they did some extra stats etc for the missing clans on the old BI site. Think I've got them saved somewhere.
reds8n wrote: Actually.... somewhere...maybe in a WD article about the "silk road" or equivalent ?-- they do make mention of tiger headed "beastmen" in the Ind/Cathay area I think. Like Rakashas (sp?). Worshipped by the local humans or something.
That kinda rings a bell...think I remember reading that and thinking Rakashas too. Seems like that'd be an Ind thing.
We're kinda doing wild speculation here. It might not be an "Eastern" army at all. But if it is, I wonder if they'd do a pure Cathay/Nippon/Ind army, or if it'd be some kind of "Eastern Kingdoms" mishmash force. IMO, the mishmash approach would be a fluffilogical disaster, although it wouldn't shock me if they cherry-picked what they saw as the best concepts/influences from across the Far East and dumped them together into one army. They've rewritten fluff to explain stranger phenomena.
Although if appealing to Eastern markets is even 1% of their motivation, I can't imagine dumping the Warhammer Japanese in with the Warhammer Chinese is exactly going to win over Chinese customers. Might be some backlash there.
Did I imagine that Phil K. said recently that he'd like the chance to revamp Ogre Kingdoms? I wonder if that ties in somehow, or if it'd at least be affected by the release of an Eastern army.
Granted, the other thing GW could do pretty easily is open up another part of the world that hasn't really been explored yet - they did that with Albion - why not open up a new place with a new army never seen before?
Kung Fu Jim wrote:Chaos Dwarves will be released after the return of Squats. Dogs of War, I would return to fantasy, and build a Rome type army.
Chaos Dwarves are more like Dark Eldar... they're a back burner project that they're taking their time with.
Unfortunately GW's said Dogs of War are not likely to make a return. They ended up hating the fact that it allowed every army to fill in what was effectively another armies unit and thus removing their natural vulnerabilities. If Dogs of War do get redone, you can bet that that aspect of their army will be gone.
BrookM wrote:The dirty old man in the alley next to GW Amsterdam said Tilea and Estelia, because Fantasy doesn't have enough human armies.
Can one, politely ofcourse, ask how come you ended up in an alley talking to a dirty old man albeit one well versed in WHFB. Last time I was in a dark alley talking to a dirty old man about WHFB .........
BrookM wrote:The dirty old man in the alley next to GW Amsterdam said Tilea and Estelia, because Fantasy doesn't have enough human armies.
Can one, politely ofcourse, ask how come you ended up in an alley talking to a dirty old man albeit one well versed in WHFB. Last time I was in a dark alley talking to a dirty old man about WHFB .........
he was in an alleyway in amsterdam... what do you THINK he was doing with the old man though my question is how much did he pay?
BrookM wrote:The dirty old man in the alley next to GW Amsterdam said Tilea and Estelia, because Fantasy doesn't have enough human armies.
Can one, politely ofcourse, ask how come you ended up in an alley talking to a dirty old man albeit one well versed in WHFB. Last time I was in a dark alley talking to a dirty old man about WHFB .........
he was in an alleyway in amsterdam... what do you THINK he was doing with the old man though my question is how much did he pay?
Actually, GW Amsterdam is situated next to an alley which serves as a less than ideal shortcut to the shopping district behind it. Either you'll find junkies, dirty old men or stolen goods there, it's always fun.
That dirty old man was peddling his rumours to my girl, not me by the way.
A new fantasy army? Well, when discussing t his, we have to keep one thing in mind: Everybody thought Ogre Kingdoms was a bad joke until they saw the models. Okay, it's still a bad joke, but they do exist, and nobody would've believed that, a year before they came out.
I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???. There's nothing in that concept a creative player couldn't do with Lizardmen or Woodelves.
I always thought that a Nippon army could have some really sweet models. Asian Dragons, Ninjas, Fireworks, stuff like that.
I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???. There's nothing in that concept a creative player couldn't do with Lizardmen or Woodelves.
What if the fishmen are the troops of Cthulu?(Deep Ones) Dark hounds supporting them. Fungal lobsters things in the air? Greater Non-Deamon of Cthulhu!!!! Madness!!!
Some of the Dark Elf stuff points in that direction. A deep underground sea? Ancient civilization. Dude with a squid mask.
gorgon wrote:Did I imagine that Phil K. said recently that he'd like the chance to revamp Ogre Kingdoms? I wonder if that ties in somehow, or if it'd at least be affected by the release of an Eastern army.
As far as I know that's still happening. Ogre Kingdoms update with no new models, though frankly simply releasing a rhinox kit (which I would certainly assume make the new book) would make a mint, considering all the money sent to FW or time put into conversions.
On the topic of a new race, can't say I'm really excited. Animal-dudes are pretty cool and I might be down for that, but actually the most interesting thing would be a human army that isn't British/French knights & heraldry or Germanic/Prussian walters & stanks & handgunners (& knights). As in, Nippon / Cathay would indeed be cool (and Malf could get his furry people in there too).
All the same, I agree with the comment that what WHFB needs is to get the other books updated, not dump another race into the top brackets from nowhere.
I'm not even sure if the Lods of Law are still viewed as part of the modern continuity anymore. From memory Solkan gets a mention in a novel or two and the Kislev sourcebook threw some lovely references to some of them in-- glass coffins and all -- but I think that was one area GW has moved away from.
To make their swipe..... err.... homage ..yes, yes.. look more unique I guess ?
Yeah, I kind of thought the Slann and Lizardmen were the main opponents of Chaos.
Again, I swore there were rumors about monkey king-themed warrior monks or something, maybe from Shangri-La. I guess I could see how they might be positioned as Chaos fighters.
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I'd hope it was 1 of 2:
1: Chaos Dwarves.
2: Dogs of War
QFT.
I hope so, too. Given that DoW had an actual "Warhammer Armies" Army Book, they "deserve" a new Army Book, following GW's statement that all armies with Army Books would remain supported (and therefore, receive Army Books).
(Being a DoW player, I'm obviously a little biased)
I don't see DoW as far-fetched. GW obviously *likes* the idea of Dogs of War, and GW desperately *wants* to fill in that huge hole in the universe south of the Empire (Estalia / Tilea / Border Princes)... But the problem has been that DoW lacks a strong unifying idea. It's hard to sell an army that's "basically Empire, but different...", in the same way that Chaos Dwarves are "basically Dwaves, but different...".
My sense is that GW hasn't been able to conceptualize the Dogs of War into a clear army concept for the past several years, and only now has the rest of WFB straightened out the the point that DoW can be returned in some kind of clear fashion. Of course, at this point, I'm pretty happy to take nearly anything.
Anyhow, the timing is right, with DoW and CD getting Army Books at the very tail end of 7th Edition moving into 8th. That kind of confirms that notion that GW is committing to update every army within a 2-edition timeframe, so there's something of an upper limit to how long an army might wait (about 10 years), even if it skips an edition.
aka_mythos wrote:Chaos Dwarves are more like Dark Eldar... they're a back burner project that they're taking their time with.
Unfortunately GW's said Dogs of War are not likely to make a return. They ended up hating the fact that it allowed every army to fill in what was effectively another armies unit and thus removing their natural vulnerabilities. If Dogs of War do get redone, you can bet that that aspect of their army will be gone.
CD and DoW are *both* back-burner projects.
I don't doubt that DoW will make a return, but not with the rules the way that they currently are.
I expect revised DoW Allies rules to be markedly different from what we have today (which is why DoW are simply banned from non-DoW armies):
1. Non-DoW armies wishing to take any DoW units *must* burn a Hero slot on a grossly-overpriced DoW "Paymaster General" with the current Paymaster Panic penalty (ha-ha!)
2. DoW units in non-DoW armies can only use their own Ld, or that of the Paymaster General, never a non-DoW General
3. DoW units "For Hire" will clearly specify who can (or can't) take them
4. DoW taken in a non-DoW army would have some kind of additional structural restrictions, such as 1 DoW Core per DoW Special, and 2 DoW Core per DoW Rare.
5. DoW Core never count toward non-DoW Core requirements. This would basically codify Allies across the WFB universe and prevent armies from cherry-picking DoW units to inexpensively fill army holes.
So instead of Chaos simply grabbing a DoW Cannon to snipe with, they would also need to spend 75+ pts on a DoW Paymaster General, lose a Hero slot, *and* another 150+ pts on DoW Core. And in play, that cannon wouldn't be able to test off the Ld 10 Chaos Lord, but instead off the Ld8 Paymaster General. And so on.
Lords of order is a worrying thought - steampunk - oh noes. Ancient robots :(
The only way it would be cool if it was a rip off of shadow of the colossus - but obviously not so big.
Otherwise the opposite of chaos might be angels and stuff - but that sort of seems a lot like High elder to me.
I think the ogre army is pretty cool looks wise actually, very different and characterful, even if its not competitive.
Da Boss wrote:I'm sad that there will be no new Chaos Dwarves apparently. Really sad.
Hmmm... ? Don't be.
But don't hold your breath either.
But they do have their fans in the design studio/at GW's head office.
Have you read the new "Knight of the Realm" novel from BL ? Chaos dwarfs in there. What I noted was that the high/top hats in that book are, apparently, limited to the nobles or "upper class" members of their society.
Don't buy/read the book just for chaos dwarf stuff though! Very much a minor role still I'm afraid.
Given their frequent mention in the warhammer fluff -- and their minor inclusion in the WFRPG supplements here and there I think they will be doing something with them.
LunaHound wrote:
GW in china??
Asian themed army possibility??
Something that is equally cool to us AND to the chinese ??
Easy, i present you Pandaren (panda men)
Just as a note to add to this:
Someone a long while ago asked Blizzard if they would ever include the Pandaren as a playable race and was quickly shot down. Apparently because the panda is so sacred in China, it would be viewed as disrespectful to offer it as a playable race.
I'm assuming GW would take that same approach and opt not to use anything that any country/religious views could find offense.
ChaoticFlanagan wrote:
Just as a note to add to this:
Someone a long while ago asked Blizzard if they would ever include the Pandaren as a playable race and was quickly shot down. Apparently because the panda is so sacred in China, it would be viewed as disrespectful to offer it as a playable race.
I'm assuming GW would take that same approach and opt not to use anything that any country/religious views could find offense.
.....say what?
Do you have any idea how many kinds of hell would break loose if people who didn't play Warhammer find out about the Imperium fluff here in Germany? This stuff is so full of fashist thoughts, I'm surprised it's not banned altogether.
Would it be worth debating that if a new race was to arrive on the scene in fantasy then one of the others may be forced to ''take a back seat'' a la Chaos Dwarves/DE?
I personally think Brettonians are the most uninspired race out there, so would happily sacrifice them for some more creature features. Like Elephant Men from Araby, or some such business. Not in the ''bag over the head'' sense; more bloodied Babar.
I'd like to see a necromancer/liche priest based undead army (like the OLD one), it could happen, they have been hinting at it for years, or zombie pirates, who does'nt lovezombie pirates?
JohnHwangDD wrote:After the mess in Somalia, I think a lot of people don't like Pirates any more...
those guys ride around in power boats and skiffs shooting machine guns. no true pirate would be caught dead in one of those pretend pirate ships.
those arent the pirates we be loving matey... arrrggghhh!!!
Anti-Mag wrote:Would it be worth debating that if a new race was to arrive on the scene in fantasy then one of the others may be forced to ''take a back seat'' a la Chaos Dwarves/DE?
I personally think Brettonians are the most uninspired race out there, so would happily sacrifice them for some more creature features. Like Elephant Men from Araby, or some such business. Not in the ''bag over the head'' sense; more bloodied Babar.
I would really like to see an Araby army made for Fantasy. GW has already made a Warmaster version of it, and the model line for the diminutive game would be interesting scaled up, particularly now that the plastics development is so nice. War Elephants are cool, so are flying carpets, along with assorted infantry. Magic users, maybe a Djinn, all cool ideas that could have a Warhammer spin on them- I think the sculpting these days could make that an interesting and different kind of human army. Plus it fills out an existing area of the warhammer map that is fairly exotic. It also plays into a nice competitive scenario versus Tomb Kings for that part of the world.
Didn't the warseer thread mention the new army being as big an impact as chaos? I don't feel like any of the suggested armies so far are as setting-affecting as chaos is.
It is going to be Cathay, which is why it was added to the map for the first time with the WoC codex. As for whether they'll be human or not, that we don't know yet.
I would love a nippon army be it human or humanoid, love it.
ashigaru with spears, halberds and maybe some kind of bo weapon (no shields)
ashigaru archers
samurai with spears, halberds and katana (confer rkilling blow, +1 str 2 handed)
samurai archers
samurai cavalry
some funky units based on famous units of samurai
firework based war machines, maybe even a hwancha (technically korean but I wouldn't mind because it is so damn cool)
skirmishing martial artists with various different skills based on their arts and weapons
ninja skirmishers or ninja asassin heroes
ronin heroes that are unbreakable
samurai lords riding dragons
maybe somekind of tengu/ogre equivalent without stupidity
sadly the problem is finding a distinctive playing style and really it would be "better infantry than empire, worse than chaos, worse war machines than empire but better than chaos, some monsters." Whilst any of the eastern armies mentioned would be very cool they all suffer from being halfway between the empire and chaos and not having a distinctive playing niche. That was the big breakthrough with ogre kingdoms, mapping some cool fluff onto a totally unique playing style.
bravelybravesirrobin wrote:
ashigaru with spears, halberds and maybe some kind of bo weapon (no shields)
ashigaru archers
samurai with spears, halberds and katana (confer rkilling blow, +1 str 2 handed)
samurai archers
samurai cavalry
some funky units based on famous units of samurai
firework based war machines, maybe even a hwancha (technically korean but I wouldn't mind because it is so damn cool)
skirmishing martial artists with various different skills based on their arts and weapons
ninja skirmishers or ninja asassin heroes
ronin heroes that are unbreakable
samurai lords riding dragons
maybe somekind of tengu/ogre equivalent without stupidity
Great ideas you've got there, real possibilities. Unfortunately I think you could do a lot of those pretty well with high elves, with all their elite infantry and archery and such. Or dark elves for similar reasons. Or wood elves for similar reasons (mostly, it depends on your emphasis).
Now ogres and T4 fighters*, well you're just getting crazy there as far as the elves are concerned
LunaHound wrote:
GW in china??
Asian themed army possibility??
Something that is equally cool to us AND to the chinese ??
Easy, i present you Pandaren (panda men)
While ren is Chinese for person, panda is not Chinese for Panda.
熊猫人 (xiongmao ren or bear-cat-men) would be correct
Now why a species that's too damn lazy to reproduce would get an awesome cool name like bear-cats is beyond me.
This has been your pendantic Chinese lesson for the day.
ChaoticFlanagan wrote:Just as a note to add to this:
Someone a long while ago asked Blizzard if they would ever include the Pandaren as a playable race and was quickly shot down. Apparently because the panda is so sacred in China, it would be viewed as disrespectful to offer it as a playable race.
I'm assuming GW would take that same approach and opt not to use anything that any country/religious views could find offense.
Pandas (or delicious bear cats as we call them here) aren't really sacred in the religious sense but they are nationalist symbols like bald eagles (or delicious bald eagles as we call them here). So probably it's a more of a 'don't piss off the Chinese government who has all the emotional maturity of a 6 year old' sort of thing than religious sensitivity. They also censored WoW because they felt skeletons were too scary (though killing people and taking their money is apparently fine).
Boss_Salvage wrote:
bravelybravesirrobin wrote:
ashigaru with spears, halberds and maybe some kind of bo weapon (no shields)
ashigaru archers
samurai with spears, halberds and katana (confer rkilling blow, +1 str 2 handed)
samurai archers
samurai cavalry
some funky units based on famous units of samurai
firework based war machines, maybe even a hwancha (technically korean but I wouldn't mind because it is so damn cool)
skirmishing martial artists with various different skills based on their arts and weapons
ninja skirmishers or ninja asassin heroes
ronin heroes that are unbreakable
samurai lords riding dragons
maybe somekind of tengu/ogre equivalent without stupidity
Great ideas you've got there, real possibilities. Unfortunately I think you could do a lot of those pretty well with high elves, with all their elite infantry and archery and such. Or dark elves for similar reasons. Or wood elves for similar reasons (mostly, it depends on your emphasis).
Do players really want or care about innovative new special rules? I find that players want cool models and they want to win. I've never heard anyone complain that army A's mechanics are not innovative enough. Usually its the opposite, that a new army has too many new rules that don't work.
Daggermaw wrote:I have it on high authority, as I sit in on the board meetings at GW, that it's an army of ninja's.
I heard it was pirate ninjas. With annimosity tests.
Ok just thought of something. What if they did bring out Chaos Dwarfs, but they renamed them. Some how the gods abandoned the CD. They are still evil and really pissed off at the Chaos Gods. That way you have an anti-chaos army and something different.
Second vote is for an "Eastern" army, but a hodge-podge of Cathan, Nippon, etc... not DOW, but more of forced coalition.
A good way to do Cathay would be to use a 'reverse Columbus'.
Historically in the 1300s China was the world's most power state with the world's greatest navy. Zheng He/Chung Ho Admiral, Muslim and Eunich sailed from China as far as Africa.
So in WHFB we can have a fleet of Cathay ships sail all the way to the Olde Worlde and seize control of an island off the coast of Brettonia. Called Fragrant Harbor in Brettonia (or suitibly Frenchy version of that) the Cathayans name their new colony Xiang Gong and use it as a base to forcibly open trade with the Olde Worlde and sell their warp weed
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I've posted this before but why not...
A good way to do Cathay would be to use a 'reverse Columbus'.
Historically in the 1300s China was the world's most power state with the world's greatest navy. Zheng He/Chung Ho Admiral, Muslim and Eunich sailed from China as far as Africa.
So in WHFB we can have a fleet of Cathay ships sail all the way to the Olde Worlde and seize control of an island off the coast of Brettonia. Called Fragrant Harbor in Brettonia (or suitibly Frenchy version of that) the Cathayans name their new colony Xiang Gong and use it as a base to forcibly open trade with the Olde Worlde and sell their warp weed
Do the Bretonns get to sell opium to the Cathay Army?
Another name that was tossed around a lot was Araby, in the Warseer thread.
No matter what happens I hope that the rules are decent, models look good are are good sellers for the company. GW has made some ass decisions of late and could use the help.
Random
edit: Nice, the Iraqi flag pops up on this connection. On my other one I get a Kuwaiti one, cause it is piped in from a Kuwaiti company.
A few years back a friend who owned an FLGS (now closed) claimed he had talked to someone high up and been told that GW was planning three 'new' armies. First would be chaos dwarfs, then Cathay then...... Dragon Kingdoms. Armies made up of nothing but dragons.
Seeing as this is years later, and none of the aforementioned have yet come to pass, it seems highly suspect, but an army of dragons would certainly be cool. Keeping them different then lizardmen would be tricky though. Anybody else ever here of anything like that?
That is a reasonable army build, minus flying carpets though it's a little silly imho.
War elephants could become upscaled Mumak builds. Elementals could act much like dryads for HEs.
Anti-chaos? Araby could be on a crusade to cleanse the land of the unbelievers.
Araby would be great, especially if they could easily be turned into Tallern Desert Raiders or some other sort of 40K goodness :]
On a side note- I wish GW would just rename some of the Human provinces. I guess it's too late now, but Araby- Ind- Cathay and Nippon are all terrible names/ too obvious/ the actual names for certain places. :/
Bottle wrote:Araby would be great, especially if they could easily be turned into Tallern Desert Raiders or some other sort of 40K goodness :]
On a side note- I wish GW would just rename some of the Human provinces. I guess it's too late now, but Araby- Ind- Cathay and Nippon are all terrible names/ too obvious/ the actual names for certain places. :/
BrookM wrote:Nippon is the Japanese variant in fantasy, Cathay is China.
An army of Nipponese schoolgirls? If it is Chaos Dwarves I could see "War Machines of Chaos" as when I worked for GW the idea behind Chaos was 3 armies. They were Chaos Mortals, Beastmen, and War Machines of Chaos. Then again they put the Demons out....
thats wrong. there are many cities in nehekhara, not everyone comes from khemri you'know...appearenntly gw doesn't.... i play a tomb king based in quatar.
It would be nice to see another Human army, other than the obviously Germanic Empire and the painfully obviously Frenchy-British Bretonnians. (The tin-cans are still my favorite human army though. Lol.)
I would especially love to see Cathay. I remember back in the time-shrouded era of "use-able GW website", somebody converted a Cathay army. They were counts as Empire, IIRC, and I really liked the rocket-tubes he had in place of cannons.
I've given up on WFB though. My High Elf phase is long past...
Look, if going for the stupid stereotypes we all so love and adore be sure to include some form of Nippon unit not much unlike the Goblin Doomdiver and give it the special rule "Harbour of Pearls" or "Tora Tora Tora" or something. A great Cathay special rule would be "Eggloll you plick" with their army commander looking like Micky Rooney. Maybe give them a special "magical" breath attack in form of coughing that can be countered by buying breathing masks for your units at x-points per model.
Bottle wrote:Araby would be great, especially if they could easily be turned into Tallern Desert Raiders or some other sort of 40K goodness :]
On a side note- I wish GW would just rename some of the Human provinces. I guess it's too late now, but Araby- Ind- Cathay and Nippon are all terrible names/ too obvious/ the actual names for certain places. :/
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And this is bad..... why?
They sound totally uninspired. I guess it's all just a matter of opinion, although I'd be surprised if lots of people liked the names.
The Empire and Bretonnia have more of a catch to them, and are just a fraction more removed from our history to sound more pleasing to me.
Bottle wrote:They sound totally uninspired. I guess it's all just a matter of opinion, although I'd be surprised if lots of people liked the names.
The Empire and Bretonnia have more of a catch to them, and are just a fraction more removed from our history to sound more pleasing to me.
Bretonnia is a cliche of the whole Mort de Artur (sp) stereotype, The Empire is all high gothic renaissance armour and the designers having a hardon for the art of Albrech Durer, they are also geographically superimposed, as is kislev and norsca.
And there is nothing wrong with it, both those kingdoms have been realised extremely well, back in the day the designers had no idea warhammer would get where it's got, that the vaguely sketched out ideas for other areas would be talked about as completeing the entire world, even then we can have invaders from the nearby moons, dimenson jumping, centre of the earth realms etc. The Hobgoblakhan Empire was the one I thought they would have done years ago, it was always mentioned in such awed reverence as the 'greatest single empire the world has ever seen', Ah well.
I would also love to see the Hogobla-Khan empire. I always thought the Dogs or War regiment looked fantastic!
The Empire and Bretonnia are very well realised and I'm sure GW will do a great job of realising other areas of the Warhammer World too. I like all the real world influences in Warhammer, that it roughly follows medieval history but splatters fantasy every where for good measure.
It's just the names of these Kingdoms I don't like :]
- another point:
If they are going to do Cathay or Nippon, does anyone else think the High Elves and Dark Elves already have certain similarities to these places with their technology. I am mainly talking about the armor on a lot of the models, and also their use of bolt throwers. Just something for thought.
Bottle wrote:
If they are going to do Cathay or Nippon, does anyone else think the High Elves and Dark Elves already have certain similarities to these places with their technology. I am mainly talking about the armor on a lot of the models, and also their use of bolt throwers. Just something for thought.
Well, greenskins have bolt-throwers as well, it just requires the model to be suitably themed to the army and given a catchy name. The human civilisations of the East, so the fluff goes, were greatly influenced (and preyed upon in the early times) by the Dark Elves and aided in development by the High Elves.
Overall I am still hoping for Araby I think. Although if Cathay or Nippon get made, I'm excited at the prospect of being able to make a Mordheim Warband featuring the cast of Mortal Kombat!
I think there are enough humans and elves, that Araby, Cathay, Nippon etc should be not human
There's what, TWO human factions?
And if you don't see the problem with making (another) real-world ethnic group into subhuman monsters (hello Aztec frog men) then well, you really need to think.
Anyway, I heard from my buddy who once sent an email to England that the new army is Dark Wood Elfs.
I think there are enough humans and elves, that Araby, Cathay, Nippon etc should be not human
There's what, TWO human factions?
And if you don't see the problem with making (another) real-world ethnic group into subhuman monsters (hello Aztec frog men) then well, you really need to think.
Anyway, I heard from my buddy who once sent an email to England that the new army is Dark Wood Elfs.
Empire
Brettonia
Human chaos (evil steroid humans)
High elves (skinny humans)
Dark elves
Wood elves
Dwarfs (short humans)
Areas of the old world with nowadays equivalents, if non human isn't necessarily derogatory. It's not like Araby is going to be made up of Camel people, or Cathey evil snake people.
They'll produce an Army Book for them, release a poorly realized model line complete with a tremendously ugly core troops unit, then aside from a re-released Army Book with minor changes will proceed to largely ignore the race for the next 10 years...
BrookM wrote:Nippon is the Japanese variant in fantasy, Cathay is China.
An army of Nipponese schoolgirls? If it is Chaos Dwarves I could see "War Machines of Chaos" as when I worked for GW the idea behind Chaos was 3 armies. They were Chaos Mortals, Beastmen, and War Machines of Chaos. Then again they put the Demons out....
I've never been a fan of the completely daemon lists.. daemons belong in any and all Chaos armies.. (of course, not with CD's... but then we get into a huge derailment..)
Areas of the old world with nowadays equivalents, if non human isn't necessarily derogatory. It's not like Araby is going to be made up of Camel people, or Cathey evil snake people.
Don't speak too soon...
There was a rumor a while back that the Chinese would be pig-men and the joke would be how they always say the humans of Europe are savages and uncivilized.
Anyway I misspoke before, the new army will be Chaos Lizardmen.
I think you're all wrong. The new army will be a GW fanboy's wet dream, a chance for their sculptors to finally realise their dreams.
SKULL KINGDOMS!
Yeah baby.
So like, for your lord choice you can have either a Magic Skull dude, who gets his own lore of Skull magic (some spells rumoured to effect the skull pits on the Realm of Battle, or do increasing damage as a function of the skulls on the enemy miniature.
You can also have a badass Skull Lord made of skulls who has a flail made of skulls. He can ride a giant skull-monster that spits skulls.
I heard the Core Units are going to mostly be swarms of Skulls with the "MOAR SKULLS!" special rule allowing them to respawn if killed. Cavalry in the form of giant skulls being ridden by smaller skulls will also be a Core choice, with the heavier armoured Skullz being a special choice.
Or it could be spike kingdoms. With each model a spike, covered in spikes, with spikes for eyes, wielding a spikey weapon. Special units include spikey chain wielders.
namegoeshere wrote:Or it could be spike kingdoms. With each model a spike, covered in spikes, with spikes for eyes, wielding a spikey weapon. Special units include spikey chain wielders.
I imagine it goes without saying that they may select spiky bits to re-roll a to hit?
hammerofulric wrote:I have it on good authority from a blue shirt (no more red shirts in the UK)
Fishmen.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???. There's nothing in that concept a creative player couldn't do with Lizardmen or Woodelves.
...aside from making an army of awesome Fishmen models you mean? The reason the world needs GW to take Fishmen seriously is because there is no good source of Fishmen models. (Apologies to everyone listed HERE.) And what's cooler than a Fishman? Not a whole lot. Lou Reed maybe.
There was a rumor a while back that the Chinese would be pig-men and the joke would be how they always say the humans of Europe are savages and uncivilized.
There was also (way back, late 90s) a rumor that there would be a Mudman army (cringe). The point isn't that all non-human armies are bad, the point is that every WHFB army not based in northern Europe or North America is non-human. I don't think there's anything malicious about it; the company is based in the UK and far-away places are always more exotic (ask Herodotus). But it's 2009, maybe we can move forward a bit an acknowledge that not everyone in the southern hemisphere is half-beast.
I've always thought a fantasy-tinged Asian army (historical-ish things like samurai and ashigaru plus ninjas, warrior monks, kirin, dragons, etc) would be a massive, massive seller for GW. I think I once read an interview w/ a studio person saying if and when they did a Cathay/Nippon army GW wanted it to be something really unique and not just follow the standard Fantasy Orient template. I respect that, but...I would totally dig a WHFB army based on the standard Fantasy Orient template.
But then I would also dig a Cthulhu-ripoff fishman army, so what do I know?
Anung Un Rama wrote:I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???
Fishmen. Fishmen. Roly-poly fishmen.
Fishmen. Fishmen. Paint them up. Yumm!
I think there are enough humans and elves, that Araby, Cathay, Nippon etc should be not human
I remember when Beavis and Butthead saw a version of the Fishheads song. I feel that their facial response is pretty close to the general population's response to a fismen army.
Personally I think it would be kind of cool (you know they're like lizardmen, but with seahorses). But wouldn't the fluff limit them to staying within crawling distance of a water feature.
According to my buddy who once shook Jervis Johnson's hand (but not the GW Jervis Johnson, Jervis Johnson CPA from Binghamton NY, it was his sister-in-law's cousin) it's either Light Beastmen or Sea Dwarves.
Sea Dwarves are dwarves in these massive steam powered submarines with pneumatic diving robots and steam-powered harpoon guns.
According to my buddy who once shook Jervis Johnson's hand (but not the GW Jervis Johnson, Jervis Johnson CPA from Binghamton NY, it was his sister-in-law's cousin) it's either Light Beastmen or Sea Dwarves.
Sea Dwarves are dwarves in these massive steam powered submarines with pneumatic diving robots and steam-powered harpoon guns.
According to my buddy who once shook Jervis Johnson's hand (but not the GW Jervis Johnson, Jervis Johnson CPA from Binghamton NY, it was his sister-in-law's cousin) it's either Light Beastmen or Sea Dwarves.
Sea Dwarves are dwarves in these massive steam powered submarines with pneumatic diving robots and steam-powered harpoon guns.
I heard the concept art is awesome!
Huh. I heard the Sea Dwarves were more Polynesian style with out-riggered dugout canoes and hats made of woven palm fronds - sorta like Yosemite Sam in the old Bugs Bunny cartoon when he and Bugs get stuck on a deserted island.
I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???. There's nothing in that concept a creative player couldn't do with Lizardmen or Woodelves.
What if the fishmen are the troops of Cthulu?(Deep Ones) Dark hounds supporting them. Fungal lobsters things in the air? Greater Non-Deamon of Cthulhu!!!! Madness!!!
Some of the Dark Elf stuff points in that direction. A deep underground sea? Ancient civilization. Dude with a squid mask.
That would be cool!
Every game can use a goodly amount of Cthulhu! That said, my personal hope would be either for Dogs of War, or a Human nation based on the Byzantine Empire (but thats a pure pipe dream that will never happen)
All i really want are a ton of multi-bit humans who arnt in renaissance german cloths that I can use for all sorts of projects
Humans Cathay
Nippon
Araby
Dogs of War/Mercs
Gods of Law/Malal
Spin-offs Dark Wood Elfs
Light Beastmen
Sea Dwarfs
Light Dark Elfs (Dark Elfs who turned good)
Chaos Elfs (totally different from Dark Elfs)
Werewolf Barons
Non-Vampire, Non-Mummy Undead
Unified Chaos God lists (ie Nurgle beastmen, warriors and daemons)
Humans Cathay
Nippon
Araby
Dogs of War/Mercs
Gods of Law/Malal
Spin-offs Dark Wood Elfs
Light Beastmen
Sea Dwarfs
Light Dark Elfs (Dark Elfs who turned good)
Chaos Elfs (totally different from Dark Elfs)
Werewolf Barons
Non-Vampire, Non-Mummy Undead
Unified Chaos God lists (ie Nurgle beastmen, warriors and daemons)
If a new army seemed plausible, I'd say it would be Cathay or Nippon. A wushu army would actually be pretty sweet... just like Brettonnian archers got plastic stakes, Cathay might get plastic awful subtitles, which forces charging enemies to take Stupidity tests.
Jive Professor wrote:Cathay might get plastic awful subtitles, which forces charging enemies to take Stupidity tests.
If Wizards take Redubbed Voices, dispel scrolls don't work. The wizards' mouth movements are out of sync with the words he is speaking, which prevents the scroll from working properly.
I shed a single tear every time I see an image macro posted on Dakka. Occasionally I see an image macro even posted outside of a "post stupid crap" thread like the OT thread or the 40k humor thread, and that's just awful.
EDIT: Wait, news & rumors? This is the new fantasy thread? I thought that this tab was the "40k humor - some randomness" thread... which to be honest I think should be in the OT section given that it is basically people reposting 40k images from chans without end. Uhg.
DOUBLE EDIT: so as to not make this post a waste of space, does anyone know when the new army will be released, if supposedly it will come after the next 2 books?
-- but I think that was one area 
