Does anyone know of any?

IIRC, Robin Williams plays 40k.

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143713

Found this...

Peter jackson plays LoTR

Tycho from Pennyarcade plays necrons. Too bad these guys suck in real life

Well, there's always me. I know I'm a legend in my own mind.

There are a few out there that are "known". I would imagine a few more who haven't been outed yet. But the real questions are whether or not any of them get online, maybe cruise some of the forums to get ideas on modeling and tactics, to stay up to date. Also, where and with whom do they play? I mean, these games usu require another person, don't they? Sometimes even more may be desirable.

Billy Crystal and the band GWAR

Vin Diesel and Will Smith play 40k

Will Smith?

will smith from bad boys, men in black etc. There was a documentary about him on and they were talken to him and his kid and you saw the 40k models and stuff in the background and they talked about them

Penn and Teller play Fantasy. Or so some guy said once.

Wow, never knew that about Will Smith.

I mean, the guy's fought aliens at least three times, plus robots and mutants once, so I guess it makes sense.

My favorite actor, definitely.

Bill Amend (writer of the comic "Foxtrot") must play 40k. His comic today shows at least a basic knowledge of the game.

Darkness wrote:Billy Crystal and the band GWAR

GWAR does not play 40k so far as they have told me. I do know for a fact they play D&D from time to time when schedule permits. Actually I'll be hanging out with them in a few weeks. Want me to ask Brockie (oderus) and Derks (balsac) if they play 40K? Ill be hanging backstage with them anyway. Good guys that lot.

The CTRL ALT DEL writer played 40k and Warmachine.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Wow, never knew that about Will Smith.

I mean, the guy's fought aliens at least three times, plus robots and mutants once, so I guess it makes sense.

My favorite actor, definitely.

I remember a scene in "Enemy of the State", he's on the couch reading a White Dwarf magazine. So I guess that makes sense.

Ahhnold Schwarzenegger came from 40k. He's the Necron Lord of Tomb World California.

Except for that a real tomb world would be less scary than Cali, oh snap.

makes sense, terminator series and all that.

He keeps his Rez Orb on his desk.

skrulnik wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Wow, never knew that about Will Smith.

I mean, the guy's fought aliens at least three times, plus robots and mutants once, so I guess it makes sense.

My favorite actor, definitely.

I remember a scene in "Enemy of the State", he's on the couch reading a White Dwarf magazine. So I guess that makes sense.

Actually I believe it was the actor who played his son in the film that was reading the White Dwarf and not Will Smith.

I almost forgot!

Orkeosaurus wrote:I almost forgot!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! NO! BAD YOU!

The actor who plays Jay (of Jay and Silent Bob fame) in a GW freak. I don't remember if he's a 40K or fantasy guy though.

Nydhog wrote:GWAR does not play 40k

WHY DO YOU LIE! I do play 40k! Honest!

Gwar! wrote:

Nydhog wrote:GWAR does not play 40k

WHY DO YOU LIE! I do play 40k! Honest!

I think you have an acute case of "Scumdogia-wannabea" lol. *pats head* <------Eighth lock lol

Bolt Thrower

@nydhog - I can't imagine they would. They'd have to deal with a store full of bohab at One Eyed Jaques if they're still in Richmond.

Fenris-77 wrote:The actor who plays Jay (of Jay and Silent Bob fame) in a GW freak. I don't remember if he's a 40K or fantasy guy though.

When Kevin Smith was writing about getting Jason Mewes off drugs (a long process filled with missteps by pretty much everyone involved) there's a reference that Jason got into a 'Lord of the Rings strategy game' at some point.

Hey, I guess an addiction to wargaming is a lot less lethal than, say, heroin.

BrookM wrote:Bolt Thrower

Are they celebrities?

The only thing better than imagining Robin Williams playing 40k is imagining him being TFG...with wacky voices.

I had the pleasure of playing Techno Destructo of GWAR in Vor: The Maelstrom. He had converted his commander to look like himself, using the GWAR miniatures game version of himself. It was so awesome.

I'm pretty sure Marneus Calgar plays Ultramarines.

ShumaGorath wrote:I'm pretty sure Marneus Calgar plays Ultramarines.

His brother Carneus Malgar plays Alpha Legion.

Vin Diesel confirmed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlUsiKfeDfo

&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQUEQOyIvfk&feature=related

Robin Williams confirmed: (From a Wiki.)

"Other interests

Williams is a self-confessed gamer known to enjoy online video games, recently playing Warcraft 3 and World Of Warcraft, Half-Life[7] and the first-person shooter Battlefield 2 as a sniper.[8] In addition, he also plays the tabletop wargame Warhammer 40,000. In an interview for a video game magazine, he stated that Nintendo contacted him once and told him because of his love of video games, if there ever is a live action Pokémon movie made, he would be their first, last and only choice to play Professor Oak.[citation needed] He named his daughter Zelda because his son, Zachary, is a devoted fan of the Legend of Zelda video game series.[citation needed] Williams was even in talks to do a voice for the game Half-Life 2, because he is a big fan of the series. However, scheduling conflicts prevented this.[citation needed]"

-J.

Steve Carell. In a sketch I saw a while back he said something about a Warhammer league he ran in his basement.

Oldgrue wrote:@nydhog - I can't imagine they would. They'd have to deal with a store full of bohab at One Eyed Jaques if they're still in Richmond.

They are still in richmond. Well, Casey Orr isn't but I won't disclose his whereabouts. I know they play D&D Like I said. I'll ask them about 40k when I see them if you guys really want me to lol.

Wasn't Robin Williams face on the box of zombies back in the day?

Gwar! wrote:

Nydhog wrote:GWAR does not play 40k

WHY DO YOU LIE! I do play 40k! Honest!

Gwar =/= GWAR... big difference.. big big difference..

So if Robin Williams has been confirmed then what army does he play? Personally I will assume orks, but I'm going to roll the dice and say Eldar. I'll give him a call and get back with you guys.

I sold Mr Williams a few boxes of Space Ork Boys back when I worked at the Metreon in San Fransisco.

Chuck Norris

I heard Chuck plays.

Rumor has it he does not possess an army and never bothered to learn the rules. He just shows up, allows you to set up your army. Once the game begins he just glares at your miniatures until your army flees off the table on their own accord.

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

Grunt13 wrote:Chuck Norris

I heard Chuck plays.

Rumor has it he does not possess an army and never bothered to learn the rules. He just shows up, allows you to set up your army. Once the game begins he just glares at your miniatures until your army flees off the table on their own accord.

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

According the the Uncyclopedia Chuck Norris is the real name of Khorne: The Blood God.

-J.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

BrookM wrote:Bolt Thrower

Are they celebrities?

Yes. They're well-known enough.

Bolt Thrower is only well known for being related to GW though.

It's kind of like saying "Jervis Johnson plays 40k! He's a celebrity!"

Jervis is a celebrity. Jervis is our lord and master.

Hail Jervis.

Hail Jervis.

Hail Jervis

Join us.

Great thread! It must be kind of tough to be a big celebrity and really enjoy table-top wargaming if you're not close to many people that play, how do you get a game? The poor family is roped into it?

Enough younger celebs admit to online gaming, you just know when you fire up Call of Duty that sometimes you're playing someone relatively famous.

Sonobovich wrote:I had the pleasure of playing Techno Destructo of GWAR in Vor: The Maelstrom. He had converted his commander to look like himself, using the GWAR miniatures game version of himself. It was so awesome.

He's a good guy. So is the guy who plays Sleazy P. Met ALL Those guys. ALL of them lol. Hung out with ALL of them lol.

Actually Arnold the Govenator doesn't play but did cotract GW's Eavy Metal team about getting the entire Ultramarines Chapter painted and put on display in his game room.

I read that Robin Williams plays Orks and his son played Eldar. He even taught Kirsten Dundst how to play 40K when she was very young, on the set of Jumanji.

Foda_Bett wrote:Actually Arnold the Govenator doesn't play but did cotract GW's Eavy Metal team about getting the entire Ultramarines Chapter painted and put on display in his game room.

And here I thought he would have wanted a Necron Army... Go Figure.

Gwar! wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:Actually Arnold the Govenator doesn't play but did cotract GW's Eavy Metal team about getting the entire Ultramarines Chapter painted and put on display in his game room.

And here I thought he would have wanted a Necron Army... Go Figure.

From what I've been told the entire floor of his game room is plexiglass and the chapter is stored beneath it.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Bolt Thrower is only well known for being related to GW though.

It's kind of like saying "Jervis Johnson plays 40k! He's a celebrity!"

Exactly my point. Thanks, Orkeo.

Grunt13 wrote:Chuck Norris

I heard Chuck plays.

Rumor has it he does not possess an army and never bothered to learn the rules. He just shows up, allows you to set up your army. Once the game begins he just glares at your miniatures until your army flees off the table on their own accord.

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

Vin Diesel came before Chuck Norris, and he'll keep coming long after Chuck Norris is in his grave.

http://4q.cc/index.php?pid=fact&person=vin

The Story

It all started out with Vin Diesel. In March of 2005, The Pacifier (or Der Babynator for those of you who speak German) was released in theaters and Vin Diesel's bizarre performance in it was a hot topic of discussion. One of the online communities Ian frequents is the SomethingAwful forums, where the juxtaposition of Diesel playing a Navy SEAL-turned-babysitter opened the floodgates to a rather ludicrous discussion entitled "Post Facts About Vin Diesel". After several pages of these facts, Ian took it upon himself to create a website where anybody could view or submit these (mostly) hilarious facts. The rest, as they say, is history. On its first day in operation, the generator received in excess of 20,000 hits. On May 1st, 2005, the site received its ten millionth hit.

Over that summer, a poll on the website was put up where visitors could vote on about twelve candidates for the next fact generator. Theere was also a write-in component, and more users wrote in "Chuck Norris" than voted for any other option, and the rest is history, as they say. Before the Chuck site went live, there was a short-lived Bob Saget Fact Generator, which came to us by way of user-turned-administrator, Mike, and went live on July 14th, 2005. Althought the Saget generator received about 10,000 hits within its first few hours online, it didn't remain terribly popular and was eventually scrapped, though the code Mike had written to power it would be the basis for the next several revisions of the website, including the Chuck Norris Fact Generator. This code was publicly released and is available here. Please note that these files haven't been updated in quite some time.

On October 24th, 2005, Ian received a rather strange email email from two employees - of all organizations - NASA. That's right, the same people who help put people into outer space contacted him. Not only that, but they wanted to start up a new fact generator... for Mr. T. Within two days, the Mr. T Fact Generator was online. The guys who run it, Tom and Greg also helped out with optimizing all three sites. Ian still foots the bill, handles the media and the servers, and makes sure everything is as funny as possible.

Wait - Jervis plays 40K? I thought there was no play testing in England?

Foda_Bett wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:Actually Arnold the Govenator doesn't play but did cotract GW's Eavy Metal team about getting the entire Ultramarines Chapter painted and put on display in his game room.

And here I thought he would have wanted a Necron Army... Go Figure.

From what I've been told the entire floor of his game room is plexiglass and the chapter is stored beneath it.

Would most definitely NOT be Plexiglas lol. It would be something similar but it wouldn't technically be plexi glass ass it would bend and crack.

Nydhog wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:Actually Arnold the Govenator doesn't play but did cotract GW's Eavy Metal team about getting the entire Ultramarines Chapter painted and put on display in his game room.

And here I thought he would have wanted a Necron Army... Go Figure.

From what I've been told the entire floor of his game room is plexiglass and the chapter is stored beneath it.

Would most definitely NOT be Plexiglas lol. It would be something similar but it wouldn't technically be plexi glass ass it would bend and crack.

It would be transparent plasteel, duh.

Nydhog wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:Actually Arnold the Govenator doesn't play but did cotract GW's Eavy Metal team about getting the entire Ultramarines Chapter painted and put on display in his game room.

And here I thought he would have wanted a Necron Army... Go Figure.

From what I've been told the entire floor of his game room is plexiglass and the chapter is stored beneath it.

Would most definitely NOT be Plexiglas lol. It would be something similar but it wouldn't technically be plexi glass ass it would bend and crack.

Well, I'm glad you cleared that one up.

Whatwhat is right.

Whatwhat is right (again).

Whatwhat is what? Huh? Who dat? Who dere?

Whatwhat is left.

Chrispy wrote:I read that Robin Williams plays Orks and his son played Eldar. He even taught Kirsten Dundst how to play 40K when she was very young, on the set of Jumanji.

The possibility of Kirsten Dundst playing is totally awesome in my book

Orkeosaurus wrote:Bolt Thrower is only well known for being related to GW though.

Not quite. They play their music on the Sirius satelite radio metal station a lot, I've shared emails with some of the DJs there and they always say they get lots of requests for them. They got a new album that they're working on now supposedly...

Necros wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Bolt Thrower is only well known for being related to GW though.

Not quite. They play their music on the Sirius satelite radio metal station a lot, I've shared emails with some of the DJs there and they always say they get lots of requests for them. They got a new album that they're working on now supposedly...

Wonder which GW book cover they'll use for their album cover this time...

Hopefully the awesome new IG cover

Necros wrote:Not quite. They play their music on the Sirius satelite radio metal station a lot, I've shared emails with some of the DJs there and they always say they get lots of requests for them. They got a new album that they're working on now supposedly...

Sweet!

Here's hoping for a "Flight of the Valkyries" to go with the new guard.

Ok unless I missed it in the interviews when does Vin say that he plays a GW game. I got it that he played(plays) dnd, but where is the GW referral coming from?

To most people it's all the same game. It's like when someone new sees your models for the first time and they say "Oh, do you play Dungeons & Dragons?"

Or, "oh, I heard that D&D is a satanic game."

technically... it could be evil. But ya I get it all the time, DnD and 40k are nearly the same.

How is D and D and 40k the same???

Ones a Table top Wargame the others a Paper based role playing game.

They're as similar as american football and european football/soccer.

Arnold made Catachans.

You know, looking at those pythons it does give you an idea where the Perry's got those arms from.

I saw Gary Oldman at Games Day LA last year. According to the guys who worked there he is a collector/painter, but his kids play. He was buyin up Massive amounts of Death Korps of Krieg from what I could tell, I saw him 'inspecting' a titan as well (I think it was a warhound, maybe a reaper, though I don't think it was out then). I got a terrible picture with my phone, and you'd never know it was him without me telling you (and a little faith). He's one of my favorite actors of all time, so I was pretty pleased to see him there.

On a completely unrelated note, I saw Leonard Nimoy at "Bed Bath, and Beyond" once.

Think Nimoy would pass for a Dark Elf?

Gwar! wrote: Whatwhat is right (again).

I said what what, In the butt. And I meant "as" not "ass"

thehod wrote:Arnold made Catachans.

No no no Ahhnold's a Necron Lord. He couldn't have made kitty-chans.

skullking wrote:I saw Gary Oldman at Games Day LA last year. According to the guys who worked there he is a collector/painter, but his kids play.

Gary Oldman is at the Glendale GW store a fair amount. He collects and paints dwarves.

Holy crap Gary Oldman is in every movie AND every hobby.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:technically... it could be evil.

...err, how? How is D&D "technically" evil?

4th edition is evil, because it's just like WoW.

According to /tg/.

Orkeosaurus wrote:4th edition is evil, because it's just like WoW.

According to /tg/.

/tg/ is correct.

I mean, in 4th edition you cannot be Lawful Evil or Chaotic Good anymore, that's how dumbed down it is.

I forgot about 4th edition, nevermind.

Gwar! wrote:I mean, in 4th edition you cannot be Lawful Evil or Chaotic Good anymore, that's how dumbed down it is.

I'm guessing your comment is sarcasm, but consider that a vast number of RPGs don't have alignments at all.

Balance wrote:

Gwar! wrote:I mean, in 4th edition you cannot be Lawful Evil or Chaotic Good anymore, that's how dumbed down it is.

I'm guessing your comment is sarcasm, but consider that a vast number of RPGs don't have alignments at all.

No, it isn't sarcasm at all. The Alignment system in D&D is a major part of what made D&D, D&D. Removing it is like digging up Gygax and Arneson and pissing on their corpses. The whole of 4th edition is like that basically.

And thats just 1 of many changes they made to dumb it down, but I'll not force this any more off topic than it already is.

Wait, didn't D&D originally have "Law" as good and "Chaos" as evil?

Or am I thinking of something else? (No, not Warhammer. )

Orkeosaurus wrote:Wait, didn't D&D originally have "Law" as good and "Chaos" as evil?

Or am I thinking of something else? (No, not Warhammer. )

Naw, having read all the D&D books (I have a first print run AD&D book from before I was even born) there has always been the 9 Alignment system where Law meant a Code of Honour or Strict rules, Chaos meant anarchy or free spirit, Good means Altruism and caring for others, and evil was selfishness etc.

Just because something is "lawful" doesn't mean they are good. You might be part of a Mafia. They would be classed as "Lawful Evil". They are evil, but they have rules, and codex. Likewise you can be Chaotic Good, you help others wherever you can, but don't do it out of a sense of duty, you do it because you feel like it.

Hmm. In Moorcock there was Law and Chaos, but I think there was supposed to be a balance between the two. Not sure what I'm thinking of then, to be honest.

Nonetheless, Chaotic Good has never made sense to me, it seems that the things that are supposed to make it "Chaotic" are all too superficial to have any cosmic relevance.

Gwar! wrote:Likewise you can be Chaotic Good, you help others wherever you can, but don't do it out of a sense of duty, you do it because you feel like it.

Now that's just being a goody little two-shoes. Chaotic good is more when you chop down a tree to save the kitty or nuke the bus with hostages to get rid of the baddies in there.

Here's my issue with it:

No human can be a good person without some kind of moral code, or standard of behavior (not in the sense D&D defines good). Is the only difference between CG and LG how flexible this code is? That doesn't make much sense, it would be purely organizational, not warranting a cosmic definition equal to good evil. It's not used as the difference between pragmatism and idealism anyway, because pragmatism is a trait of True Neutral, not either ethic.

It's rarely used as being tied to the laws of the land, because it's treated as an elemental force that exists outside of society's constructs.

All I get as the difference between Lawful Good and Chaotic Good is "one follows their moral code, the other follows their moral compass", which is exactly the same thing.

No. Lawful Good (also Known as Lawful Stupid) is when you go with what your superiors tell you because they tell you that it is the right thing to do, so you do not question it.

Chaotic Good is when you say "feth you" and do what you believe the right thing is.

Very Different.

if you have a chance to grab the 3.5e Players handbook, there are some very good descriptions in there... Hell I'll give them now.

Chaotic Good, “Rebel”: A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he’s kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society. Soverliss, a ranger who waylays the evil baron’s tax collectors, is chaotic good. Chaotic good is the best alignment you can be because it combines a good heart with a free spirit.

Lawful Good, “Crusader”: A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Alhandra, a paladin who fights evil without mercy and protects the innocent without hesitation, is lawful good. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honour and compassion.

I heard Bob Ross plays Vampire Counts

Gwar! wrote:No. Lawful Good (also Known as Lawful Stupid) is when you go with what your superiors tell you because they tell you that it is the right thing to do, so you do not question it.

I disagree.

Not every Lawful Good person has superiors. Paladins often operate independently, and they're the epitome of Lawful Good. How about an ancient Gold Dragon? Is he stupid (Int 28 or something?), and doing what his superiors tell him to do?

Furthermore, your definition makes "Law" worthless as a cosmic concept, it's entirely based around material power. Lawfulness is objective, it can only be based on obedience to authority if that authority is established as being legitimate through an objective means.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Gwar! wrote:No. Lawful Good (also Known as Lawful Stupid) is when you go with what your superiors tell you because they tell you that it is the right thing to do, so you do not question it.

I disagree.

Not every Lawful Good person has superiors. Paladins often operate independently, and they're the epitome of Lawful Good. How about an ancient Gold Dragon? Is he stupid (Int 28 or something?), and doing what his superiors tell him to do?

Furthermore, your definition makes "Law" worthless as a cosmic concept, it's entirely based around material power. Lawfulness is objective, it can only be based on obedience to authority if that authority is established as being legitimate through an objective means.

Yeah, you are right there. I was not trying to adress "Law" as a cosmic thing, but rather the microcosm of Mortal Civilisations.

Law implies Order, Structure. You utilise this structure to help improve the lives of others. Chaotic Good is more about living for yourself, and if you happen to help others along the way, so be it.

I actually had a little bit of a brainwave, and thought up of a nice easy way to describe a Lawful Good and Chaotic Good person (again, in the Microcosm that is Mortal Lives).

A Man is Arrested unjustly for a crime he did not commit.
The Lawful Good Character will petition the Judges, go through the proper Legal channels, follow the letter of the law in order to help this man, even if it seems hopeless.
The Chaotic Good Character will blow a hole in the wall of the Jail and Bust you out.

BrookM wrote:I heard Bob Ross played Vampire Counts

Fixed, as he is currently dead.

Gwar! wrote:Yeah, you are right there. I was not trying to adress "Law" as a cosmic thing, but rather the microcosm of Mortal Civilisations.

Law implies Order, Structure. You utilise this structure to help improve the lives of others. Chaotic Good is more about living for yourself, and if you happen to help others along the way, so be it.

But when start taking Law as meaning organization and predictability it ceases to become a matter of ethics.

Note that the 3.0 PHB says something along the lines of "While dogs may be loyal and cats free-spirited they lack the intelligence to truly make ethical decisions" (This being the rationale for Int 1 and 2 creatures always being True Neutral. Once again, paraphrasing, I no longer have the book.)

Also, caring about yourself more than others is one of the main differences between Good and Evil. What you imply is that Chaotic Good individuals can never be as good as their Lawful counterparts, which seems odd.

I actually had a little bit of a brainwave, and thought up of a nice easy way to describe a Lawful Good and Chaotic Good person (again, in the Microcosm that is Mortal Lives).

A Man is Arrested unjustly for a crime he did not commit.
The Lawful Good Character will petition the Judges, go through the proper Legal channels, follow the letter of the law in order to help this man, even if it seems hopeless.
The Chaotic Good Character will blow a hole in the wall of the Jail and Bust you out.

What if the Lawful Good character does not see the government of the country he is in as being legitimate? What if blowing a hole in the wall would cause harm to others (Jailbreak!)?

Look at a more complex character as an example of where the system breaks down; say, Rorschach, from The Watchmen. He has worked for the government and against it. He is pragmatic in the extreme if it means he will be able to do what he sees as right, but completely uncompromising at other times. He both plans and improvises pretty well. He essentially follows his moral code regardless of what happens around him. Where does he fit on the scale? He fits the description for Lawful Good is closer than Chaotic, but he largely ignores the rest of society. He could be Neutral Good, but only as an alternative to the other two not fitting.

Law and Chaos seem to be two overly-large categories made of traits that aren't necessarily linked. For instance:
Respect for the authority of the place you live
Refusal to lie or deceive
Commitment to your morality
Pragmatism (which actually seems to be more of a trait of neutrality than anything)
Ability to plan
Ability to improvise
Ability to see the consequences of your actions
Caring about others vs. yourself (more of a trait of Good and Evil)
Fundamental principle of the universe based on chance/spontaneity versus structure/predictability

Only the last one is really sensible as an objective, cosmic force.

In my experience (which is, of course, anecdotal) alignment in D&D has historically been either ignored or used as a tool to railroad players. The D&D setting as-written has quite a number of 'oddities' in it and alignment is definitely one of them. It's a concept that kind of works in a very 'wargame' sense where Alignment is another trait for effects to key off of, but it tends to work poorly if you're trying to think of the game world as actually working...

Gwar! wrote:

Balance wrote:

Gwar! wrote:I mean, in 4th edition you cannot be Lawful Evil or Chaotic Good anymore, that's how dumbed down it is.

I'm guessing your comment is sarcasm, but consider that a vast number of RPGs don't have alignments at all.

No, it isn't sarcasm at all. The Alignment system in D&D is a major part of what made D&D, D&D. Removing it is like digging up Gygax and Arneson and pissing on their corpses. The whole of 4th edition is like that basically.

And thats just 1 of many changes they made to dumb it down, but I'll not force this any more off topic than it already is.

As both Gary and Dave have said more than a few times "It's just a game." Besides, Gary has had little or nothing to do with D&D since he was booted from TSR back in the good ol days of BADD. He did other games, games without alignment (although they had tons of other weird things).

4e is a solid game and has managed to get us playing D&D again. We quit soon after 3e came out, because it stopped being D&D for us. 4e is not dumbed down, it's different, and to us, it feels more like 2e. And instead of one fight with lots of rules arguments, we can get through 3-4 combats in a night (each with 3-4 times the number of participants) and still have a few hours left over for actual roleplaying. But I suppose having fun is badwrong or something and we're supposed to love rules that make no sense and allow for peasant railguns.


Anyway, back on topic, ever wonder why GW doesn't ask these celebrity players to show up at events? I;m certain that the cost of having one of thes eguys show up and play would be more than made up for in the publicity gained.

-John

Woah, it is like being back on my old NWN PW forums.

Nasty.

Must..avoid..philosophical..debate...

O.K. I can't resist. But only a few brief bits, as I'm at work...

Don't confuse good and evil, as a moral judgement, with law and chaos, which is not. All are defined by the person(s) making that judgement, and really have no basis on a 'cosmic concept', as they are not universally true. Even on our own planet, you'll find people who feel that differ as to what qualifies as either. What you consider good, or evil, will likely vary from what I consider each to be.

As for law and chaos, these are not universal. If they were, things that were legal in Vegas would be legal everywhere. But when it comes down to it, I really don't put them on the opposite sides of the same scale. It should be more Law vs. Anarchy, and order vs chaos. But neither of those sound good when you're trying to sell a book or concept. Law and anarchy is what society has, as a majority decided is allowed and what is not allowed. It's a majority opinion on ethics, and a social structure put into place to ensure that people follow it. Order vs Chaos is rigidity, and systematic process with constant, consistent processes (and typically results) vs ones that are random, whimsical, and very free floating, usually leaving a vast set of potential results, which does tend to lead to more incidental damage, as by nature it's a bit more risky. Order vs. Chaos is where you'll likely find more of a universal truth, if there is any to be found, as one can examine a system, and determine how random it is. Of course what really fun is that order and chaos work best when they're working togethor.

As for D&D, law vs chaos really was intended as a follow societies laws or not. Hence why the originally didn't allow rogueish sorts to be lawful. (I go back before 1st edition...)

Anyhow, I'm not sure if I should be asking how, or why, this became a philosophical debate off a question about if celebrities play GW games...

Um... I wasn't really talking about anything outside of D&D.

Also, "society" is not one thing. There are many different nations, guilds, families, religions, etc that all have different - and often conflicting - rules, and the subjectivity of those rules does not match up with Law as a cosmic force. (Plus, now, criminals can be lawful.)

Orkeosaurus wrote:(Plus, now, criminals can be lawful.)

Yes, its called "Organised Crime". A guy who robs random houses is Chaotic, a Mafia Group is Lawful.

But they both go against what society expects of them.

Thus, Lawfulness cannot be based entirely on that.

Besides, being organized isn't related to ethics. Bees are organized, the system prohibits them from having an alignment.

I've heard that Gary Gygax definitely didn't play 40K.


IB4Lock.

God Of Yams wrote:

BrookM wrote:I heard Bob Ross played Vampire Counts

Fixed, as he is currently dead.

I'm intrigued by your use of the word currently. Is he going to be raised as a zombie at any point?

If so it would make his choice of army very apt.

Chrispy wrote:I've heard that Gary Gygax definitely didn't play 40K.


IB4Lock.

Thank god for finally bringing this thread back on track... XD

LuciusAR wrote:

God Of Yams wrote:

BrookM wrote:I heard Bob Ross played Vampire Counts

Fixed, as he is currently dead.

I'm intrigued by your use of the word currently. Is he going to be raised as a zombie at any point?

If so it would make his choice of army very apt.

I hope it's a Vampire Counts army led by Vampire Lord Ross.
If he was a vampire, would his trees still be happy?

...Back on track, what was the name of the documentary someone mentioned earlier in which Will Smith had Warhammer stuff in the background?

God Of Yams wrote:
I hope it's a Vampire Counts army led by Vampire Lord Ross.
If he was a vampire, would his trees still be happy?

Yes. They would yearn for blood, but in a very happy, mellow way.

I believe Bob Ross is the bizarro twin of Konrad, though they both seem to have a love for art in common.

BrookM wrote:I believe Bob Ross is the bizarro twin of Konrad, though they both seem to have a love for art in common.

Which one has the goatee?

(Edit) My bad, it's obviously Bob

By the by Gwar, you didn't read EVERY D&D book it would seem. The original D&D (not AD&D) only had the Lawful/Chaotic alignment axis.

Wehrkind wrote:By the by Gwar, you didn't read EVERY D&D book it would seem. The original D&D (not AD&D) only had the Lawful/Chaotic alignment axis.

Oh, my apologies for not reading a tiny thin paperback book that was out of print long before I was even Born, but instead reading every book from AD&D onwards. How could I be so Selfish!

Gwar! wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Wait, didn't D&D originally have "Law" as good and "Chaos" as evil?

Or am I thinking of something else? (No, not Warhammer. )

Naw, having read all the D&D books (I have a first print run AD&D book from before I was even born) there has always been the 9 Alignment system where Law meant a Code of Honour or Strict rules, Chaos meant anarchy or free spirit, Good means Altruism and caring for others, and evil was selfishness etc.

Just because something is "lawful" doesn't mean they are good. You might be part of a Mafia. They would be classed as "Lawful Evil". They are evil, but they have rules, and codex. Likewise you can be Chaotic Good, you help others wherever you can, but don't do it out of a sense of duty, you do it because you feel like it.

This is false. The first book (and later red book) original D&D all have a three alignment system: lawful, neutral, and chaotic.

I have my copies stored away. I first played them in '81-82.

It's really hard to state any specific rules as 'sacred cows' of D&D by this point. It's had more editions than you can shake a stick at in the 30+ years it's been around and every edition seems to have changed a few major components for one reason or another.

Is 4th edition the same game as 3.0/3.5? Definitely not... But the secret is: It's a good game. In a lot of ways it's kind of what I think 40k could use: A game that is true to the spirit but worked to heavily integrate rules and think about things that didn't work as well as people intended in previous editions.

D&D has pretty much always needed some world-specific editing, as going by a literal rules-as-written version of the world tends to break. There's enough high-level clerics around that no one with money would stay dead for long unless they tick off someone with access to disintegration magic or similar. Magic seems to grow on street corners and Paladins can guard against most of the major threats since they can detect evil at will. Oh, and the economy is really odd...

4th edition still keeps a lot of this as, to be honest, the game is meant to focus on classic dungeon-crawling. There's a lot of 'niche protection' and the power curves of different classes have been smoothed out. One major issue with previous editions is that various classes really became almost useless after the lower levels: Who needs a thief when you have a high-level mage with knock, mage hand, and a half-dozen other tricks at hand?

The biggest minus is that the game is certainly combat-focused. OTOH, D&D has never really had a lot of really usable social rules. They're often there, but tend to produce weird results and just aren't that fun. Still, making fun puzzles and such is about the same difficulty as previous editions. It's possible even easier as characters aren't as likely to have access to party-wide spells for flight, water breathing, and similar.

Yes, there's some MMO-inspired elements. The most noticeable is all classes are assigned to one of 4 roles. I was a bit wary about this, but I think it's a good thing as it makes it a bit easier to have a 'functional' party with more options. For example, the game I'm in (currently on hiatus) I'm playing a Paladin which is a Defender class. If he croaks, I'll probably consider all the Defender classes available. This includes the class Fighter as well as some newer ones like the Warden. In 3.0, we found that you really wanted to fill the 'core classes' (Fighter, Mage, Cleric, Thief) at low levels before people jumped into the weirder classes. The classes are all balanced to the 4 roles so they play differently yet are still interchangeable.

I don't think 4th edition D&D is the one true RPG (It's intended for a very specific niche), but I can't deny it's fun!

So much for staying on topic.....

Gwar! wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Wait, didn't D&D originally have "Law" as good and "Chaos" as evil?

Or am I thinking of something else? (No, not Warhammer. )

Naw, having read all the D&D books (I have a first print run AD&D book from before I was even born) there has always been the 9 Alignment system where Law meant a Code of Honour or Strict rules, Chaos meant anarchy or free spirit, Good means Altruism and caring for others, and evil was selfishness etc.

Just because something is "lawful" doesn't mean they are good. You might be part of a Mafia. They would be classed as "Lawful Evil". They are evil, but they have rules, and codex. Likewise you can be Chaotic Good, you help others wherever you can, but don't do it out of a sense of duty, you do it because you feel like it.

sorry, you are a bit wrong.. the original d&d books, the single colored paper books that were in the basic edition, etc had 3 alignments..

Lawful, Neutral, and Chaotic. this was of course upgraded in the AD&D..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)
"The game's alignment system from the original 1974 boxed set initially featured only Law, Neutrality and Chaos, with Law generally equating to Good and heroism, and Chaos implying anarchy and Evil; however, the good/evil parallels were not strongly defined. Initially, dwarves were Lawful and elves Chaotic, while humans could be of any of the three alignments."

intially it was good vs evil (law vs chaos) but that changed as the editions changed.

edit: (sorry CTGamer, somehow I missed your post on my first read through.. I just added more info to back up our point)

Andy Chambers infected Blizzard with the Warhammer virus again.

Now quit bringing D&D into this you satanic spawns!

God Of Yams wrote:...Back on track, what was the name of the documentary someone mentioned earlier in which Will Smith had Warhammer stuff in the background?

Good question, anyone got an answer ?

Oh, BTW...

...Either shut the feth up about D&D or start a different thread ! Stop dragging this one off-topic you ignorant ers

Rosie Odonnell's son plays orks.

Curt Schilling plays 40K
Andy Garcia plays 40K as well.
Anthony Munoz also collects 40K and Fantasy.

Well if you want REALLY famous celebrities i hear Tom Joynson plays 40k

P.s shut the feth up about D&D

Why are you guys going off topic in our D&D thread?

It's very disrespectful.

Necros wrote:To most people it's all the same game. It's like when someone new sees your models for the first time and they say "Oh, do you play Dungeons & Dragons?"

Which is funny, since Space Marines by themselves have outsold WotC, much less D&D itself, for a few years now. D&D just has better PR, at least here in the States.

Balance wrote:

Fenris-77 wrote:The actor who plays Jay (of Jay and Silent Bob fame) in a GW freak. I don't remember if he's a 40K or fantasy guy though.

When Kevin Smith was writing about getting Jason Mewes off drugs (a long process filled with missteps by pretty much everyone involved) there's a reference that Jason got into a 'Lord of the Rings strategy game' at some point.

Hey, I guess an addiction to wargaming is a lot less lethal than, say, heroin.

But sadly, it is not cheaper than such a habit.

Balance wrote:

Fenris-77 wrote:The actor who plays Jay (of Jay and Silent Bob fame) in a GW freak. I don't remember if he's a 40K or fantasy guy though.

When Kevin Smith was writing about getting Jason Mewes off drugs (a long process filled with missteps by pretty much everyone involved) there's a reference that Jason got into a 'Lord of the Rings strategy game' at some point.

Hey, I guess an addiction to wargaming is a lot less lethal than, say, heroin.

Yea but the chicks are a lot hotter with the heroin!

Dental work is cheaper with wargaming. Also, most game dealers don't threaten to come to your house and beat up your family if you screw up a deal, so that's a plus.

OOMBATOO O`MALLY wrote:
Yea but the chicks are a lot hotter with the heroin!

You must be joking... have you seen the heroin chicks when you yourself are not on heroin? :cringe:

temprus wrote:

Necros wrote:To most people it's all the same game. It's like when someone new sees your models for the first time and they say "Oh, do you play Dungeons & Dragons?"

Which is funny, since Space Marines by themselves have outsold WotC, much less D&D itself, for a few years now. D&D just has better PR, at least here in the States.

Which is pretty easy to understand, since all you really need to play D&D is a $30 book - an amount that wouldn't get you much Marine pewter or plastic. I would expect Marine net sales to be much higher than D&D net sales, because of the tools you need to simply play the game in its most basic form.


In reference to 4th ed D&D vs previous editions, I can say without hesitation that I believe 4th is worlds better than 3rd or any of 3rd's variants. What I find most humorous is the notion that 4th ed is "like an MMO", and the main reason some folks cite is because of the 'role labels' (controller, defender, etc).... which is even more funny, because MMO's (in general) derived those roles from... you guessed it - D&D (and RPGs in general). So now, instead of saying, "Let's get a fighter, a wizard, a thief, and a cleric" like we used to say long before MMO's even existed, we say we need a "tank, some dps, and healing", and suddenly OMG! D&D is "like an MMO"! I just find that notion pretty funny.

Like a few others in this thread commented, 4th is a darned good game. It's gotten some friends interested in D&D again after a long hiatus. I haven't been this excited with D&D since 2nd edition.

In regard to comments about 4th "pissing on the graves" of Gygax, etc... I think that's pretty silly. I was only lucky enough to speak to Mr. Gygax at GenCon a few different times, and if there's one thing I got from him and his writings, it's that the game belongs to US, the players. Many of his forewards and articles of years past make this pretty clear. The books are GUIDELINES. What you and your group does with them, is completely up to you. Don't like the 4th edition alignment system? No problem. Use one from a previous edition - or make your own. Don't sweat the small stuff.

As for celebrity gamers - I had read multiple times about Robin Williams... and I had also been told in years past that Michael J. Fox and Neil Patrick Harris were gamers - though that was 3rd hand info, of course. I'd seen interviews where Vin Diesel had admitted he was a gamer, and even still played fairly recently, etc.

My guess would be that many 'celebrities' who gamed would try to do so in as low-key fashion as possible, to avoid attention and the fan-fare that goes along with their status in society. Then again, some just don't care.

Just my 2 coppers,
-Mort

General Hobbs wrote:
Rosie Odonnell's son plays orks.

Curt Schilling plays 40K
Andy Garcia plays 40K as well.
Anthony Munoz also collects 40K and Fantasy.

I think it would be cool to play against Andy Garcia until it came down to the last turn. Then everytime you would get ready to make a decision he would give you that look. You know the Andy Garcia look. Real serious and almost creepy.

I though Rosie Odonell's son was an ork?

barlio wrote:
I though Rosie Odonell's son was an ork?

No, that's Rosie herself.