Hello Oggers,

I say the Imperium is the most evil of all the races. We have the light of the Emperor. Through His suffering we are cleansed. Through His power we are defended. Through His sacrifice we live.

Yet, daily countless citizens of the Imperium turn their backs on our Holy Emperor! Oh, the horror and shame of it! Little more than beasts they prize their comfort and the brief length of their days more than our God Emperor.

No matter how many we burn, we judge, we persecute, our race is never clean. Every new generation a new brood of vipers and traitors is spawned. Oh Emperor...forgive us!

The Xenos do not know you.

Chaos betrayed you. Once.

But we in the Imperium fail you daily, we sin, we are iniquity, but still You, Holy Emperor, endure, and protect and love us...! Praise the Emperor, for He is Love and Justice!

Frankie

I voted for Emperium.

There is nothing worse then delusional ignorant army that claims to be good while slaughtering innocent xenos.

By all means dark eldar and chaos are evil too, but atleast they are honest about it.

Yeah... going with chaos. Nurgle gives me the willies.

What? No one voted for the darK Eldar.

Nids, obviously.

Who thinks Tau are evil? I'd say they're the least evil.

Chaos has nothing on the Dark Eldar.

True, Chaos at least is being evil for some kind of twisted good reason (preservation of the Immaterium). DE are just plain bad. (They get their jollies from torture, real S & M garbage stuff there.)

I think you're right, I should have voted DE instead of chaos.

spartanghost wrote:Who thinks Tau are evil? I'd say they're the least evil.

Haha.. HAHHAHA!

I love how people still think the Tau are nice guys.

The only people who are not evil are the Necrons and Nids, simply because they dont have feelings at all. Orks Might be malicious, which could be construed as evil i guess.

And to get back onto the Tau, oh yeah, they are all sunshine and rainbows untill you look into what they actually do:

Por'la: Join our Empire!
Human Planet: Nah, we're good thanks.
Por'vre: Come on, Join us! We insist.
Humans: No. Thank. You.
Por'O: Join us or die.
Humans: F**k You Blueface!

Tau then invade and enslave the Population, working them to death in mines/concentration camps.

So, yeah. Tau are the good guys.

He never said good, just the least evil. It is the difference between a corporate trial lawyer and a bureaucrat. They are both evil, just the bureaucrat almost serves a purpose.

Well he did start the sentence with "Who thinks the Tau are evil"

But he did finish with least evil. At least he acknowledged it was there.

Still I'd say point to Gwar! on this one.

How can Chaos be winning for most evil?!?

Chaos represents wild abandon of the individual (albeit in perverted and oppressive ways) and each Chaos god actually represents functions of the natural world (again perverted to the extreme).

The Empire represents ignorance, repression and racism (true racism not our earthbound ethnocentrism). There is no identity. You are born to die for a catatonic zombie on a toilet and taught to fear anything and everything which you don't understand.

Better free in hell than a slave in heaven. I can understand why so many go to Chaos. Of course, maybe it is just two different sides of the same coin, two extreme swings of the pendulum, two.... Okay, enough cliches'. Just some thoughts, I don't really know if I had a point to make.

This is how I view it all:
Tyranids: Animalistic instincts following a hive mind. Nothing terrible.
Necrons: Kind of Borg-esque from what I understand.
Orks: Give in to their desires, which happens to be killing.
Chaos: Desire and instinct embodied, though the Chaos Marines are evil, considering they are traitors.
Eldar: A dying race trying to cling to survival.
Imperium: An empire run off of ignorance, which while bad, unifies them in a certain way.
Tau: Evil, as Gwar said.

Edit:Never mind, Dark Eldar.

Most of them are evil but the most evil are Dark Eldar, and here is why:

Firstly ill start with Chaos, THEY ARE NOT THE MOST EVIL! they are beyond evil hence the name Chaos! for good and/or evil to exist there needs to be some sort of order in order to carry out the good or evil. Chaos is just random madness influenced by either the Chaos gods or impulse of the individuals themselves. But yes there are ordered attacks directed by the Chaos Lords and/or Gods but not enough to be actually evil.

Tyranids, well they are mindless really. They do things that are considered evil but they dont have a consious mind or an intention of doing evil so therefore are not 'evil'.

Tau, hehehe well there is a thought. Now I have collected Tau on the side and have the latest codex so here is my statement about them: FOR THE GREATER GOOD!! [sarcastic cough], if by greater good they mean from the day you are born you are put into a 'job' wheither it be Fire, water, air or earth and then work in that job for the rest of your life untill either you die or you die! simple as that.

Necrons, pretty much like Tyranids but are evil because the Lords still have a mind and a personality so THEY are evil but as a whole not much.

Orks, hey what can i say they're Orks

Imperium, well......they gotta survive so if this is the system they got [even though it could be improved] then it needs to be done and enforced.

Eldar, same as the imperium, they dont have much choice.

Now Dark Eldar well........there is evil! Torture for fun, practically living of it! Pirate attacks to enslave beings to build torture chambers in which they will be tortured in untill they die, be rescued or some other third thing. I've read that they tear out the victims heart and let it hang infront of them while keeping them alive for 12days! Seriously not even Chaos does that [and they do some nasty S%&t] so yeah Dark Eldar = Most Evil race!

Now I think of it, I would argue that Chaos itself may not be evil, but the followers of evil themselves are, such as the CSM.

purple spandex is evil beyond word

Why are Chaos Marines evil because they are "traitors?" that's only the Imperiums view, by their few they are the smart ones, worshipping true gods rather than a corpse on a toilet

Gwar! wrote:Why are Chaos Marines evil because they are "traitors?" that's only the Imperiums view, by their few they are the smart ones, worshipping true gods rather than a corpse on a toilet

Most game-universe have a divide, one side good, one side evil. In all of them chaos plays the evil part.
So its always Evil = chaos.

And smart?
Those loosers of the great war? needing to ambush to win because they can't fight 1 on 1 and succeed?

I think that there was a mention in some fluff that the DE torture to survive.

Well it's all a matter of perception,but I think the DE take the cake because of their weird,erotic,I like touching myself with that severed head,kind of fluff.

When you look at it really, the Imperium are the worst. Externally they seem no worse then the Tau or Eldar, they do some mean stuff, but are good.

However, they are the complete opposite. They may not be the sadistic evil of DE, or the horror of Chaos, but they are trying to eradicate all other races...COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY. They are like the Nazi's of the 41st millenium.

Without them, the whole thing wouldn't be in such a ferocious war.

are we talking about evil as an abstract trait used as an adjective? if so id say chaos because they CHOSE to betray our immortal Emperor. if we are talking about something that is evil because it is a threat to the galaxy, nids for sure.

Yeah its all in the perspective really.

Necrons...after your soul

All the others just want ta kill yah.

Lol

LOL orks only have 1 vote. I went Tau because they put a light on you before they kill you.

DE, because they revil in being evil.

Tyranids & Orks are both built to be killing machines so they aren't evil per se

I considered the Imperium but then thought against it because they are the way they are out of necessity. In 40k it's everyone trying to kill everyone, the Imperium is just really blunt about it in their indoctrination. What race in this game isn't trying to wipe out and/or enslave every other one? The Eldar and that's about it.

Let's face it, in the grim, dark blah blah everyone's kind of a d**k.

If you consider the 'nids just to be the Hive Mind all on his (her?) lonesome, then yes, they're quite evil.

I lol'd at the Eldar with just one vote.

Gwar! wrote:Why are Chaos Marines evil because they are "traitors?" that's only the Imperiums view, by their few they are the smart ones, worshipping true gods rather than a corpse on a toilet

I was going for a Dante-esque view of evil. And besides, why should Chaos be less evil just because they worship something that is deemed to be more deserving than worshiping someone on a tomb/toilet. Also, isn't the reasoning for the Emperor being there justification for worship. Because I thought it was because he defeated Horus, a traitor, but sustained horrible injury.

Nids: Kill you and bring you into the hive to use you to kill more things.

Sounds pretty evil to me.

Necron and Nids are the worst.

Necron are lead by C'tan, which are pretty evil. I mean, they convinced an entire race to give up their souls and free will so that their bodies could live forever as fighting death machines. Sounds pretty evil to me.

Nids just kill and kill and kill and kill. Their prime drive is kill and that is it. Destroy planet, take all biomass, move on until the entire galaxy is devoured.

Nids and Necron, evil and kickin' ass.....

The thing I see about Tyranids is that they do it out of necessity to survive. No more biomass means no more Nids, which drives the Nids to kill more. It is more of an annoying menace than evil.

Also, shouldn't evil be defined. I view it as that the thing being evil has the knowledge of what it is doing, knows of an alternative that is better, then doesn't care. Because honestly, all of the races could potentially be evil in a sense, but they all have plausible ramifications for what they are doing.

The Orks cannot help it in the slightest, they did not evolve or get themselves to the place where they are today, they were created. They are simply abiding by their original 'programming' to be utterly aggressive, it's in their nature.

I would definately say that the Tyranids are not evil, they are just as evil as a disease, they simply just follow their animal instincts. Possibly they have some more sinister scheme behind them with the hive minds (like the Necron and Tau do with the Ethereals and C'tan).. but that hasn't been made clear to us yet.

The Dark Eldar on the other hand are sadistic and twisted beyond comparison. They torture, enslave, and murder just for the plain fun of it, there is no more evil than them.. except for some of the chaos gods.

I also believe that Imperium is quite like NAZI germany at the decline of world war 2. So does that make them evil also?

LOL, it's quite a difficult question.. considering that there are not any 'nice' races out there to begin with.. quite a bleak outlook on the future..

chaos hands down

dark eldar are evil out of necessity, not desire

tyranids are just hungry, they're not evil

Dark Eldar how so out of necessity?.. i think i may have missed something..?

chaos is evil, they kill people form humans to aliens, they worship chaos gods which are the really just emotions. the CSM are evil.
Dark Elder are also evil but they do it out nescesitiy. there entire socitey is built on the idea of "better you than me".
nercons didn't really know they were going to be enslaved by the C'tan besides the process dimmed there senses and probably dont know right from wrong anymore.
tyranids are just trying to survive... to survie forever
tau are trying to end all wars by bringing everyone into a single belief.
Elder are just trying to survive.
Orks are doing what they where programmed to do as said already
Imperium are bad but not evil, sure they lie through there teeth to the people but they are trying to protect humantity, sure they whant to kill everybody else but hey isnt everother race (not including elder)
So that is my idea of evil races
but there could be more evil races which dont have models for them... its a big universe.

Sicarious85 wrote:Dark Eldar how so out of necessity?.. i think i may have missed something..?

If they do not, Slaanesh eats them.

Necrons voluntarily gave up their souls to follow the C'tan. They always desired long life and immortality, and in their weakness the C'tan saw an opening. Necrons are not Undead Living Metal death machines who will destroy all life just because the C'tan command it.

Necrons might not be evil anymore, but their leaders are.

Now with Nids, assuming the Hive Mind is sentient, they are evil. If they are just surviving they would not be considered evil at all, but since it is hinted at that the Hive Mind knows what it is doing. Then I consider them one of the greatest evils. Killing and assimilating races into the killing machine against their will. Evil.

Orks are not evil at all, just ignorant.

Eldar are actually one of the better groups.

Imperium is dark and bad yes, they are racist and kill all Xeno. But they are also attempting to survive with no clear cut leader. I cant blame them for being suspicious in the 40k Universe.

Tau, Ethereals are creepy. I do not like them, they got something up their sleeve.

With the others, Chaos and Dark Eldar, a little obvious they are made to be bad guys.

Eldar might be the best..........actually I don't know.

Thought of somthing.
Could the "nicer races" team up?

Sicarious85 wrote:Dark Eldar how so out of necessity?.. i think i may have missed something..?

Dark Eldar who don't act evil/kill/maim/whatever will have their souls consumed by chaos cods. They do not have wraithbone/spirit stones/craftworlds to save their souls from being consumed so for some reason being really sick and twisted saves them from being consumed. That is what I mean by they are evil out of necessity, not by choice. They have to preform those types of acts in order to avoid consumption. Wether it justifies it or not is a different question.

The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy.

The Tyranids are the worst in this. They do not serve a cause, they do not distiguish self, they do not negotiate, they are not moved by hope, passion, dedication, emotion, they do not know freedom or slavery... In a binary universe view, us and them, them is everything not Tyranid. They are clearly the worst.

Furthermore Tyranids are extra gallactic. That means they came from beyond the realm of the known. They may already have consumed evey other galaxy anmd every other dimension in all of creation for all the inhabitants of the 40k galaxy know. This also makes them the worst.

All the sentient races in warhammer should band together and exterminate and forever guard against the Tyranids, by fighting eachother they may simply be speeding along what is already innevitable.

I dont think the Tau are EVIL. They just want to have a presence in the universe. They believe they can bring something better to the galaxy and will stop at nothing to bring the Greater Good to everyone. they don't WANT to kill, they just want to spread the Greater Good. If that means killing (who they see as) evil ones who aim to deny others the Glory that is the Greater Good, then so be it. So they're not evil per se, just zealous.

I've also come to realise they're kinda communist. i should pick up some red paint :-P

Yes, because we all know a Rigid Caste Based system is what communism strived for...

Oh wait.

I hate it so much when people say Tau are communists, when they hold NOTHING in common with real Marxist philosophy.

The Imperium is just as bad as Chaos as I see it, they've got that totalitarian fascist feeling to them, besides they're also incredibly bigoted. Dark Eldar are probably the nastiest though.

Gwar! wrote:Yes, because we all know a Rigid Caste Based system is what communism strived for...

Oh wait.

I hate it so much when people say Tau are communists, when they hold NOTHING in common with real Marxist philosophy.

Well they're not EXACTLY communist. but they have some similar ideas. I was just making a joke.

Either way I still maintain that the Tau are no more evil than any empire/nation/group that wants to expand. If you say anyone who tries to expand and says " join us or die" you pretty much condemn every empire EVER. (Greek, British, Persian, Alexander, etc)

Dark Eldar, way back when, the Eldar had a choice, craftworld or sadism. The dark eldar have followed that choice with a gusto, activly choosing themselves over all others. I know that they don't want to get eaten by slaneesh, but whats to stop them from going to their craftworld breatheren and asking for help?

I almost can't believe that Dark Eldar and Chaos are tied. Chaos have evil demons and gods.

I am totally surprised that Tau have more votes than Eldar or even Orks.

EasyE wrote:I am totally surprised that Tau have more votes than Eldar or even Orks.

Why? Eldar are just trying to survive, and Orks were made the way they are, it is not their fault.

Tau just like to enslave populations (ala Vespids)

EasyE wrote:I almost can't believe that Dark Eldar and Chaos are tied. Chaos have evil demons and gods.

I am totally surprised that Tau have more votes than Eldar or even Orks.

Having a evil leader ( chaos gods ) doesnt always mean chaos marine are evil. ( some are just sick of the emperor's follower )
I mean look at president Bush. ( yes yes just example )



Tyranids are not evil anymore then we humans are.

We raise animals , keep them alive and we slaughter them.
How are nids any different?

And lets look at Tau , compared to Imperium.

Tau " join us for greater good , if not we have to kill you to prevent possibility of rebellion "

Space Marines " all xenos must die "

@GWAR!-They also were "Made" the way they are by the fluff.

Yes the Tau are evil but a kinder gentler version of evil and the original question was about the most evil race.

In the short story Hive Fleet Horror by Barrington J. Bayley a pysker reads a tyranid mind and from that he finds out that tyranids are just evloved bugs that have only one instinct, to survive forever, they dont reconise emotions or intelligence. the nids take on biomass from new planets so they "regenerate" there own DNA so they can survive.
So i don't think the nids are evil, they wouldnt even reconise evil if it slaped them in the face, they would just eat it

Gwar! wrote:

EasyE wrote:I am totally surprised that Tau have more votes than Eldar or even Orks.

Why? Eldar are just trying to survive, and Orks were made the way they are, it is not their fault.

Tau just like to enslave populations (ala Vespids)

Last time i checked the vespids werent enslaved.

the Vespids welcomed their place within the Tau empire

-Tau codex, page 16

Tau Empire Codex Page 16 wrote:It has been whispered that this acceptance is linked to the fact that all of the race's leaders were given interface helmets given to them by the Tau

Gwar! wrote:

Tau Empire Codex Page 16 wrote:It has been whispered that this acceptance is linked to the fact that all of the race's leaders were given interface helmets given to them by the Tau

bah! if we accepted every "whisper" as truth then we would be as paranoid as the imperium :-P

What about the serilisation thing.

oggers wrote:What about the serilisation thing.

Or the "We'll work you to death in slave mines" like on Vraks?

Yeah, that too.

Gwar! wrote:

oggers wrote:What about the serilisation thing.

Or the "We'll work you to death in slave mines" like on Vraks?

I've never read anything about that. what's your sources?

IA6 Seige of Vraks

The Eldar

Why? because those self-loving pervs took it one step too far and made a chaos god.

And they won't even apologize for it.

Cryonicleech wrote:The Eldar

Why? because those self-loving pervs took it one step too far and made a chaos god.

And they won't even apologize for it.

Well i guess the saying "everytime you fap god kills a kitten" must be true in warhammer world!

you monkeigh perv kitten killers!!!

Mon-keigh is what the Eldar call humans. Hurr durr.

Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Well, the Eldar may have made a Single Chaos God, but Orks created 2, and Humanity pretty much ensured 3 got as powerful as they are. While the other 3 were around pre humanity, it was only when Humanity started to flourish that they went into overdrive strength mode, as humans have an unusually high "resonance" in the warp relative to their psychic potential.

But the Eldar clearly meant to. It was all due to Eldrad's dickery.

Just as planned.

Cheese Elemental wrote:But the Eldar clearly meant to. It was all due to Eldrad's dickery.

Just as planned.

Yes, that is a great story. I'm gonna have to look it up again now.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Mon-keigh is what the Eldar call humans. Hurr durr.

Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Ya thats why i related earth's saying of fap kills kitten = monkeigh
hurrrrrr!

Eldrad? is he more powerful than Tzeentch itself? sure seems that way... ( you know what i mean lol )

He is not as Powerful as Calgar though! Calgar would be all like, "Oh Hai" and Elrad would be like "haha! I know what you are gonna do before you do it!" before thinking "Hahaha I know he is going to swing a punch at me and th" before being kicked in the shrivelled raisin Eldar Balls.

Have you not seen the level of dickery Eldrad is capable of? He clearly planned for some bored romantic /tg/ writer to write Love can Bloom (don't ask), just so that someone would make Rule 34 out of it so that he could fap.

Just as planned.

Gwar! wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Well, the Eldar may have made a Single Chaos God, but Orks created 2, and Humanity pretty much ensured 3 got as powerful as they are. While the other 3 were around pre humanity, it was only when Humanity started to flourish that they went into overdrive strength mode, as humans have an unusually high "resonance" in the warp relative to their psychic potential.

uhm... no

the choas gods (minus slanesh) came into being during the war of heaven where in the necrons and the races of the oldones were having at it.
near the end of the war, the old ones came to realise that in creating the super psychicly attuned races being born adn forced to fight the warp was becoming a seething mess.
the enslavers were sent forth, and they became known as the plague that forced the necrons back to thier tomb words.
the enslavers destoryed the old ones, and smashed apart most of the sentient races. (enslavers are daemons)

also; lets not forget that the deciever is set off the entire war in the gothic sector so as to do nothing more than destroy the last of the talismans of vaul (the blackstone fortresses) so it wouldnt have to worry about being beaten down.

the ctan and the necron slaves exist only to destory all life

What is evil? Before you can ask me to tell you what races are evil, you have to define evil for me.

As I see it, the only one race we can apply the term too, at least without a good definition, are humans. As that's the only one we have any real familiarity. To impose your moralistic views upon others, (and to judge them by yours) particularly alien species whose biology, neurology, culture and history are so completely different from your own, is pretty darn close to evil.

Orks - living according to their nature, and genetically programmed to do so, and essentially to not deviate either. Calling them evil is like calling a bear or wolverine evil. While they have rudimentary intelligence by standards of the other races, they have no ability to change their nature. Living according to your nature so if you are physically unable to change isn't evil. Sad perhaps. Being unwilling to evolve may be something we could call evil, being unable is pitiful. Doesn't mean you don't shoot them when they threaten you though.

Eldar, dark eldar - same race. Differing philosophies. Eldar have gone the aesthetic route, but are otherwise operating in flight or fight mode. They are xenophobic, but as every race seems to have a trace of that, it's easily forgivable. Considering that they are a dying race (per the fluff) and there is a god waiting to devour their souls when they die, one can also forgive a certain level of hostility and suspicion. It's a survival mechanism. Every other race they encounter, and quite a bit of their own race, seem out to kill them. So you either run away (which doesn't seem to be working), or you turn and fight. They have the potential to evolve, but are currently fighting extinction.
Dark Eldar - Yes they seek to avoid their own annihilation by sacrificing others. But this is survival. If an aliens pain and death will appease the god trying to consume their soul, and stave off their own mortality, are we to tell them they should commit suicide and not take those steps? If so, at this point you are making a moral judgment that one species is more inherently valuable, which sounds more evil to me than doing what you need to to survive. Oh, and someone mentioned the BDSM stuff, just because your not into something doesn't mean it's evil, just not for you. Otherwise, don't knock it till you try it.

Tyranid, as mentioned are a hive mind whose only goal is to expand. Not as a intellectual goal, but as an instinctive drive. Eat, reproduce, when resources are gone, move on. Rinse, repeat. If they were smart enough to realize the eventual result of such unchecked behavior was that they would eventually strip the universe of everything to eat, guaranteeing their own extinction via starvation, and chose to do so anyhow, then it might qualify as evil if they didn't limit themselves. Might. But as is, locusts aren't evil when they swarm and eat everything, they're just animals. Doesn't mean you don't eliminate them if you can.

Tau - Well, do the ends justify the means? They have committed some things that we might consider atrocities. But then, so have humans. If there's an intelligent race that is in opposition to us, vastly outnumbers us, is very aggressive and has no interest in letting anything that's not them live, reacting violently seems to be a very appropriate reaction. And a concentration camp? Well, they've pretty much been told it's us or them, and that they can not capitulate as they will be eliminated. Considering the population differences, and the afformentioned policies, it's only logical that if you can use the enemies citizens to strengthen your own, that you do so, and that you don't worry so much if the ones you are using die. It doesn't really benefit you to keep them alive. Ruthless efficiency is not necessarily evil, it's just something a little harder than most people are comfortable with.

Chaos - religious fanatics. While such have done a lot of harm throughout our history, the persons doing it have all believed it was for something good. Foolish and misguided is not evil, just stupid. Again, something that you should probably stamp out if you can, the unfortunate thing about attacking a religious group is that it tends to make a lot of people who can find themselves identifying with the religion to become somewhat fanatical themselves.

Necron - may have been evil. They chose to start a galactic policy of xenocide because of jealousy. Not a good reason typically speaking. They, with the humans, stand out as the only ones who aren't lashing out because it's their nature, but by choice, a conscious decision. Or at least they were. As they aren't talking now, and have been subsumed into mechanical bodies with mental imprints on a mechanical matrix, one can argue that they really don't have much choice any more. My computer isn't evil, even if it does suck away my time in great, heaping amounts.

That pretty much leaves the imperium, as you're seperating them from chaos. Can choose otherwise. Can be welcoming. Can overthrow those in control who are keeping them down and the race stagnant and from evolving for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. And they choose not too. That's the closest thing to what I view as evil as I've seen in the game. Too have the choice, everything to gain by trying as well as some hardship in the trying, but to choose not too.

Eldar: They are no more evil then a parent telling their 5 year olds not too eat too much candy.

But to the child's mind , thats pretty evil.

In other words Imperium are just too dumb to know whats going on, and have acted rashly to something they dont understand.

I mean look at the SM killing Idranel.

Hey, the Ork Gods are not Chaos Gods alright.

They regularly beat up and play pranks on the Chaos Gods for fun. Read the fluff!

Dreadwinter wrote:Hey, the Ork Gods are not Chaos Gods alright.

They regularly beat up and play pranks on the Chaos Gods for fun. Read the fluff!

I think by definition a Powerful entity in the Warp counts as a "Chaos God" regardless of semantics.

Immaterium =/= Chaos Entirely

Chaos has 4 gods. (Technically 5)

There are other gods such as Gork and Mork and the Emperor.

Chaos gods are effected by emotions, murder, pain, and death.

Gods such as Gork and Mork are effected by how many people believe in them.

Which is why Gork and Mork are so badass and they can roflpwn the chaos gods, because there are so many Orks.

The Emperor is just an incredibly powerful psychic entity. He was the first Human psyker and still the most powerful to date. Hes not a true "god" really, but his powers are godlike since he can singlehandedly hold off the Chaos Gods in order to keep the Astronomicon going. While his body is pretty much withered and dead, he is still helping Humanity with the Emperors Tarot and the Astronomicon. Now technically he would be a Warp Entity in a way.

So really, powerful warp entity =/= Chaos God all the time

What is more evil? The Chaos God or the race that made them?

dancingcricket wrote:What is evil? Before you can ask me to tell you what races are evil, you have to define evil for me.

As I see it, the only one race we can apply the term too, at least without a good definition, are humans. As that's the only one we have any real familiarity. To impose your moralistic views upon others, (and to judge them by yours) particularly alien species whose biology, neurology, culture and history are so completely different from your own, is pretty darn close to evil.

Wow, I threw up a little when I read that! Pushing PC nonsense into this? We are talking about ficticious things here. Define evil for me?

"Don't judge me, I'm a berzerker, I have to Zerk! It's in my genetic code, er, I don't want to hack people up, the voices tell me too..."

Ha ha ha.

<sarcasm>
Actually no you are right,

Chaos worshippers are just alternate religions, we must respect that and equate it with all other morale codes.
Aliens are just other sentient beings like us, we must not descriminate based on (alien) race.
Tyranids are just creatures trying to survive, we need to nurture them and share the universe.

I'm going to go make myself a peace sign in preparation for the coming of any number of my new overlords!
</sarcasm>

NOT!

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

Mattlov wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

Why? Is a race that has to do what they do to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the sacrifices are bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.

Mattlov wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

They go beyond just surviving. They are conquering and assimilating into their Hive Fleets.

Tau - Well, do the ends justify the means? They have committed some things that we might consider atrocities. But then, so have humans. If there's an intelligent race that is in opposition to us, vastly outnumbers us, is very aggressive and has no interest in letting anything that's not them live, reacting violently seems to be a very appropriate reaction. And a concentration camp? Well, they've pretty much been told it's us or them, and that they can not capitulate as they will be eliminated. Considering the population differences, and the afformentioned policies, it's only logical that if you can use the enemies citizens to strengthen your own, that you do so, and that you don't worry so much if the ones you are using die. It doesn't really benefit you to keep them alive. Ruthless efficiency is not necessarily evil, it's just something a little harder than most people are comfortable with.

Hear hear!

see? not evil, just strong :-P

Augustus wrote:

dancingcricket wrote:What is evil? Before you can ask me to tell you what races are evil, you have to define evil for me.

As I see it, the only one race we can apply the term too, at least without a good definition, are humans. As that's the only one we have any real familiarity. To impose your moralistic views upon others, (and to judge them by yours) particularly alien species whose biology, neurology, culture and history are so completely different from your own, is pretty darn close to evil.

Wow, I threw up a little when I read that! Pushing PC nonsense into this? We are talking about ficticious things here. Define evil for me?

"Don't judge me, I'm a berzerker, I have to Zerk! It's in my genetic code, er, I don't want to hack people up, the voices tell me too..."

Ha ha ha.

<sarcasm>
Actually no you are right,

Chaos worshippers are just alternate religions, we must respect that and equate it with all other morale codes.
Aliens are just other sentient beings like us, we must not descriminate based on (alien) race.
Tyranids are just creatures trying to survive, we need to nurture them and share the universe.

I'm going to go make myself a peace sign in preparation for the coming of any number of my new overlords!
</sarcasm>

NOT!

Actually, it looks like you didn't quite read the entire post. At no point did I say welcome them with open arms or submit to them. I said that I don't feel correct in making a moral judgement concerning the behavior or animals, or aliens that I can't truly understand. It doesn't mean that you don't fight them if they're agressive.

I don't need to label my foes as evil to make myself feel good about fighting them. True, I don't descriminate. But I guarantee I want to survive and thrive at least as much as you do, so while I can be accepting that you value your race, culture, etc., as it's yours, don't try to foist it off on me or hurt me because your philosophy tells you to. I guarantee the results will be, unpleasant.

LunaHound wrote:
Eldar: They are no more evil then a parent telling their 5 year olds not too eat too much candy.

But to the child's mind , thats pretty evil.

In other words Imperium are just too dumb to know whats going on, and have acted rashly to something they dont understand.

I mean look at the SM killing Idranel.

Eldar are selfish poofters. They'll sacrifice entire innocent worlds just to preserve their own lives. That is outright evil. I mean, they claim to be protecting the galaxy from Chaos and the Necrons, but they're just trying to buy themselves more time, which will be wasted.

And Idranel deserved to die. She was the lamest Farseer ever, because
1. She used MIND BULLETS.
2. She had no boob armour, which was a great disappointment to /tg/ and myself.

\Cheese Elemental you are too naive ( a boy after all )

Dont you know the source of Idranel's power?
Its the rage fueled by her wash board.
Sigh you double monkeighs!



The science behind it :

I'm naive? You are the one who thinks that there is such a thing as love in the Grim Darkness.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I'm naive? You are the one who thinks that there is such a thing as love in the Grim Darkness.

There is love in the Grim Darkness.

Love of killing gak and taking names!

I can't belive this post has 3 pages already.

Dreadwinter wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

They go beyond just surviving. They are conquering and assimilating into their Hive Fleets.

It is the right of all organisms to spread. We assimilate the natural world when we eat and then use that food to provide energy to have more of us, feed our offspring and so on. In a very real sense we are transforming the matter of plants and other animals into more humans. To me the Dark Eldar are more evil because they inflict suffering and pain without reason and because they still have that eldar mindset that created the chaos gods. The followers of chaos are like drug addicts, they're sick and do evil things because they're sick, not because they're evil.
Tau, they're bringing what they think is a better way of living to the galaxy, the fact that they seem to be the major beneficiaries of this generosity I'm sure is just coincidence. I suppose if anything they are more like old human empires like the Roman and British empires.

cadbren wrote: To me the Dark Eldar are more evil because they inflict suffering and pain without reason and because they still have that eldar mindset that created the chaos gods.

This is wrong. They torture and such because they need their souls in such a state as to Satify Slaanesh and stop Him from eating their Souls. If they don't take slaves and tourture them etc, they lose that and She will nom them up faster than Nid's eat a planet.

cadbren wrote:Tau, they're bringing what they think is a better way of living to the galaxy, the fact that they seem to be the major beneficiaries of this generosity I'm sure is just coincidence. I suppose if anything they are more like old human empires like the Roman and British empires.

They are evil in the way I would say (don't hit me) Nazi Germany was. The vast majority of Tau Believe what they believe because they have been saturated with propaganda from Day One. They commit atrocities in the name of the "Greater Good" because the Ethereal's Tell them too, who know that it's all a bunch of rubbish and have to resort to clandestine methods to subdue unruly races (See the Vespid Conspiracy for example)

click on my demon!

^Reported. You've said that several times already. Don't post unless you have something to contribute.

Cheese Elemental wrote:^Reported. You've said that several times already. Don't post unless you have something to contribute.

Indeed. He's even started making new topics about it

BTW Cheese, just to go utterly off topic, I know your School PC's seem to make Dakka think you are in the US, but you are actually in Prison Australia right? Could you not ask a Mod to Lock your flag to Oz?

Now to go back on topic:
C'tan: How Evil?

C'Tan are pretty darned evil. Genocidal maniacs who don't realise that exterminating all life means they will starve because there is no way to restore it?

Anyway, the Necrons can't possibly win. All the races of the universe will combine their game-breaking cheese units; Nob Bikers, Lash DPs, and Psychic Choirs will destroy them, because they have new codecies and don't afraid of anything.

Cheese Elemental wrote:C'Tan are pretty darned evil. Genocidal maniacs who don't realise that exterminating all life means they will starve because there is no way to restore it?

The evil C'tan held back once and waited for the life to restore...

But why do these space elfs get only 1 vote ????

Because they are too panzy to be evil.

So its NOT evil to manipulate others into a fight ?

Some seem to be fooled by those "cute" farseers ...

Dude, have you seen the Eldar's rule 34?

Once you go there, you can never go back. And I went there.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Dude, have you seen the Eldar's rule 34?

Eldar? You aint seen nothin' yet.

Eldar can only be considered evil in the context that they would sacrifice a million humans for one Eldar.

Garuda wrote:Eldar can only be considered evil in the context that they would sacrifice a million humans for one Eldar.

Which, when you think about it, is like saying a Humanity would sacrifice a millon slowed Pigeons for a human. Same Difference in Inteligence (or so they claim )

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Yeah... going with chaos. Nurgle gives me the willies.

No... Thats Slaanesh

corpsesarefun wrote:

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Yeah... going with chaos. Nurgle gives me the willies.

No... Thats Slaanesh

Correct. Slaanesh has lots and lots of Willies

I think that all of them are evil
thay all kill for fun

Death Gear wrote:I think that all of them are evil
thay all kill for fun

Yes, because Nids kill for fun, Necrons kill for fun.... ^(-.-)^

Gwar! wrote:

cadbren wrote: To me the Dark Eldar are more evil because they inflict suffering and pain without reason and because they still have that eldar mindset that created the chaos gods.

This is wrong. They torture and such because they need their souls in such a state as to Satify Slaanesh and stop Him from eating their Souls. If they don't take slaves and tourture them etc, they lose that and She will nom them up faster than Nid's eat a planet.

They were being space deviants before though right, because that's what created Slaanesh in the first place?

cadbren wrote:Tau, they're bringing what they think is a better way of living to the galaxy, the fact that they seem to be the major beneficiaries of this generosity I'm sure is just coincidence. I suppose if anything they are more like old human empires like the Roman and British empires.

They are evil in the way I would say (don't hit me) Nazi Germany was.

Death Gear wrote:I think that all of them are evil
thay all kill for fun

Is it evil to want to kill little people?

Only correct answer:

Morally shunned factions take the lead.

Another day....another 'who is evil' post.

Orks are the most evil.

They kick you and make you carry heavy stuff.

Love does not bloom in 40k. Love burns. It gets turned inside out, set on fire, raped, shot with bolters, and beaten with a crowbar.

i think the most evil race is cows..... no zombie cows

I think the tau were too nice and so they were given all the slave mine and sterillisation stuff.
That made them more grimdark.

oggers wrote:I think the tau were too nice and so they were given all the slave mine and sterillisation stuff.
That made them more grimdark.

Yup, it's a classic GW Bait and Switch, and I have to say I am really glad they decided to make the T'au Believable.

Xanthos552 wrote:When you look at it really, the Imperium are the worst. Externally they seem no worse then the Tau or Eldar, they do some mean stuff, but are good.

However, they are the complete opposite. They may not be the sadistic evil of DE, or the horror of Chaos, but they are trying to eradicate all other races...COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY. They are like the Nazi's of the 41st millenium.

Without them, the whole thing wouldn't be in such a ferocious war.

Well, if all the other races are trying to kill you, then destroying them "COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY" is an appropriate response. Fro more information, visit the "is the Imperium evil?" thread.

Slaanesh goes for soul. But Nids are the worst.

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