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Post by: paulson games
Like a lot of other people I've got a lot of Marines, I was kinda bored and wanted to do something unique so I decided to start a themed army about 2 weeks ago. I've known for a while that I wanted to do a star wars theme, there's a Trade Federation Droid army here Link I thought it was amazing but I didn't want to copy somebody elses work, and I'm bigger fan of the classic trilogy than the new films.
Then I saw a piece of art that solidifed the concept I was looking for:
(The art isn't mine, but I thought it was very inspiring, its posted on Deviant Art)
From there all sorts of madness and converting has consumed me over the last two weeks. I've been posting my WIP log on the B&C forum and thought I'd share some of what I've been working on. The idea is to run an army that's very heavily inspired by the star wars imperial army, it will play gamewise as a standard marine list with allied Inquistors.
These are still all in various stages of WIP. Yes I'm perfectly aware they have mold lines and need greenstuff in some places!
All my time has been taken up with building and I haven't gotten to that point yet. They will be cleaned up before I get around to the painting.
There's additional pics on B&C as well as all my various brainstorming & ramblings etc in my work log: LINK
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Post by: Garuss Acine
have to say that is awesome looking so far, can't wait to see more
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Post by: ShumaGorath
Why is vaders sword not a lightsaber! Thats double heretical! These all look fantastic.
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Post by: paulson games
Vader's sword will be painted red with little bits of white energy inside the blade, clear red plastic just didn't want to work so I have to make due with painting it like a force weapon aka light saber. More minis will be coming soon
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Post by: unclehomefries
That is so extreme.
I love it
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Post by: Breaker
Subb'd. I hope your Vader is a counts as Libby so he can actually have a force weapon and Psychic powers.
And that Bobba Fett is hands down the best model in the group.
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Post by: Lorgar's_Blessed
I believe he's going to be using it as a GK or something since he said he was going to have Inquisitor allies...
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Post by: Nenya97
OH SHI-
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Post by: Flachzange
Pure win.
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Post by: Logan
Very cool! Especially Boba Fett looks really great.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
The Stormtrooper heads look really goofy. Their chins are absolutely ridiculous.
Apart from that, it's pretty good modeling, but I don't recall Boba Fett ever using a sniper rifle.
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Post by: Fresh
Cheese Elemental wrote: but I don't recall Boba Fett ever using a sniper rifle.
I think he used one during the clone wars at the start with the lame assassin and the worms, pretty much shot the needle into the chick and she shriveled up like a pickle. i might be wrong my star wars knowledge isn't the best.
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Post by: sonofruss
That was jengo fett not boba.
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Post by: paulson games
Thanks for the comment guys, Boba is definately my favorite out of the group and I took a lot of extra time to get him right. He's lacking the forearm armor pad and grappling hook, not sure if I'll add that later or not.
The goal is to have a heavily star wars inspired themed army but not a perfect copy of everything as models still need to fit into the 40k pattern for game play. (with apropriate weapons)
Boba Fett has a heavy sniper rifle as he'll be used as an imperial assassin, he never uses one in the movies but he's an opportunist fighter and very practical he'd adjust his armoury to match the target. He's supposed to be notorious for disintegrating people with thermal grenades but we never see him do that in the movie. (something Vader tells him specifically not to do against Luke & Han)
I'll be doing a squad of Mandalorians as either my assult squad or as stern guard, Jango technically doesn't fit the army as I want it composed of Imperial forces from the original trilogy, but he was too cool of a character to pass up and he could just be another random Mandalorian wearing blue armor that looks like Jango.
Vader can be played a couple ways, for most games I intend to field him as an Inqusitor that way he can have a retinue of various droids (the probe droid is for his retinue) and I can make use of assassins (boba fett & IG-88) I can also mix it up by running him as a grey knight hero as he'd still have the psychic holocaust power, or he can function as Libraian Tigurius for lots of psychic powers. He'd be a fairly flexible role depending on which list I want to run.
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Post by: Mellon
Wow, very inspirational!
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Post by: Squig_herder
Im loving the Fetts. These are great so far and im looking forward to more.
My only suggestion is to size down the flat hand on vadar, it looks a touch too big [you know what they say about big hands......]
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Post by: WingWong
I will be doing this exact thing but probably with new films stuff as I so want a jedi council and the light side.
Still have about 5 armies to do before then though!
Dark Eldar Reaver jetbikes are perfect for the speeder bikes from 'jedi... Just add some rod and plasticard
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
But I'm dead serious about the stormtrooper chins, they look really, really bad. Were they ripped straight from Star Wars minis?
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Post by: WingWong
Also, where do you get the ST heads from?
is the vader head a Star wars miniatures one?
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Post by: Paul Atreides
I like this alot, very stylish. I think you have hit a fantastic balance between the both scifi's.
Love the walker.
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Post by: Tek
WIN!
I've seen a few decent Star Wars forces now, this looks like it could be one of them.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I agree a bit about the chins on the stormies... they could probably stand to have more of the original helmey stripped off before attaching.
Still, this is a very cool project!
Personally, I would like to see it as Imperial guard with Inquisition allies though, or even straight Inq. Stormtroopers as, well, stormtroopers ( Inq type) or carapace vets would fit nicely, and you could have Vader being either a GK Grandmaster (so hot) or an Inquisitor Lord.
Very sharp even as marines though
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Post by: rrohring
Wow, you are very talented with combining and custo0mizing. Can't wait to see more
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Post by: poptarticus
Boba / Jango = win
I love those
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Post by: Da_Boss-Lord
you have done justice to the dark side my friend
well done! i cant wait to see more of these guys!
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Post by: spartanghost
Damnit! I was just thinking of doing this the other day. well done though.
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Post by: karnaeya
What's the floating hubcap gonna be?
Fetts, vader, regular troopers all look ace.
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Post by: paulson games
The heads are from star wars minis, specifically darktrooper heads. They are a bit oversized and have a differant chin structure but the standard head seems a bit on the small side, and with the number of models I'm putting together for the army there is no way I'm going to sculpt them by hand. The heads on Jango and Boba were in comparision fairly easy to cut out of beaky marine heads, but still took a lot of time.
Side by side shot of the various heads:
It's an army that people are either going to love or hate due to the look, personally I'm pretty happy with how things look, I listen to and appreciate feedback as it's helped me fine tune the models, but I also know that not everyone will like the build simply because of what it is or the crossing of genres.
Also since taking the pic of the black reach stormtrooper test model I've been working on using regular marines and toned down the bone color considerably, here's the updated paint scheme. Even though the STs wear pure white in the movies all pure white is out as an option becuase it looks way to flat on the table and gives no depth, it looks like a bunch of chalk pieces rather than marines. This cuts way back on the bone color but leaves enough that it has contrast to provide detail and depth.
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Post by: Mellon
An idea. You should check out the LEGO starwars sets. Expect to find at least something useful. At least cooler colors on your lightsabrers.
I'm glancing at my at-st model that is in the early stages of being converted into a warhoud titan. It feels as if you and I are going to collide in a while :-)
I think the stormtrooper head looks good. The whole armour is wider and sturdier, so should his helmet be.
Expect some instances where the graphical styles will mix and even conflict. One side is the wh40k world, the "heroic miniatures"with unproportionally large heads, arms and huuuuge weapons. On the other side, the pretty reasonable sizes and perspectives that come when you have living actors in a movie. I do believe you will be able to merge the styles to create something bigger and better than the obvious solutions.
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Post by: paulson games
The flying hub cap is a scout droid, depending on which list I use Vader is going to be played as an allied inquistor and will have a retinue made of droids, Boba Fett and IG-88 will be used as imperial assassins.
The AT-ST toy works well for a Titan, back during rogue trader days I converted mine to a Titan the problem is the toy plastic is terrible to work with and very hard to cut cleanly, but it can go well if you have a lot of paitience. Being that the imperials are a bit lacking in the vehicle department I will be creating an AT-AT for them, the question for the time being is what scale AT-AT to use as they range from about 4.5 inches to well over 21 inches...
I've been looking pretty heavily at the 8 inch and the 12 inch ones, which would be absolutely huge on the table, and I'd use rules for superheavy tanks or as modified warhounds. I'll build 3 of them as Imperials deploy in sets of 3. But then there's the big daddy option and go for the full sized toy which stands 21 inches tall and about 28 inches long. Use it as Vader's custom command AT-AT use warlord or emperor titan rules, of course painting it very dark grey or black.
He gets his own monster sized star destroyer why not a super AT-AT?
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Post by: jabbakahut
Wow, looks great. I liked that Tua proxy army too. I want to see a game in which people have converted all the GW armies to SW armies!
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Post by: Garuss Acine
here is an idea for the Assault Marines, http://starwars-exodus.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Troopers
http://starwars-exodus.wikia.com/wiki/Type_II_Dark_Trooper
hope this help some what, or at least gives some steam for your thoughts
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Post by: thedarkside69
so amazing! Your very creative dude
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Post by: Grey Knight Luke
hmmm now i want to do a SW imperial guard army. the endor rebel trooper as the troops, then 'stolen' lambada class cruisers as valkaries. That would be cool... led by Han Solo...
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Post by: Cryonicleech
Dear God man, show me how to do this!!!
I have to model one of these now!!!
By the way, so far so good. I'm absolutely loving it.
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
Pure Win! Those are awesome - I concur on checking out the Lego heads and weapons as you can lego directly and they'll send you "replacement" parts - seemed like they were pretty decent priced too.
I am going to use their Orc/Troll banners for my Ork army and can get 5/$5.
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Post by: Mattlov
I love the stormtrooper Marines! The heads are just fine, since they need to be able to contain all the screaming of a Space Marine.
Looks great. I would put a bit more white on them just to give them a little more of the polished look, but that it just me.
Do little furry creatures with sticks and rocks suddenly become STR 8 AP 1 against this army?
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Post by: SonofTerra
Genius!
I've always thought that there should be a 40k style starswars game just as there is a LotR game.
Would love to see an apprentice for Vader
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Post by: paulson games
I've been looking at Jango quite a bit and there's something bothering me about the model, I think it's the plasmas, they defiantely need to match.
Keep the sight and add one to the other pistol, or remove it?
Also for additional consideration Jango has very sleek pistols in the movie, and I was looking at my dire avenger pistols last night and with some trimming they'd be very close.
Stay with the twin plasmas or try and get him closer to the movie armment?
Here's the same jango model but with differant arm sets.


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Post by: waaagh!orksrocks
Plasmas IMHO and he's to good a shot to need sights
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Post by: jabbakahut
Wow, I was going to say tough call, but you provided so many photos that I have to say go with the sleeker looking ones, the shot from the side looks great.
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Post by: Tek
I say rock out the big chins. I love em.
There's a real diversion of style in the Star Wars comics for the Stormtrooper helmets, so don't worry about it.
I think they rock with big chins.
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Post by: GoFenris
Great stuff! Jango looks better with the sleek blasters. It's more Jango-y! Also, the big chin Stormtroopers look great! It fits the heroic scale of GW better.
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Post by: Squig_herder
IMHO the shuriken pistols dont suit, maybe its just me and agreed that he doesnt need sights.
Still, i love the work
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Post by: Fresh
All you need now is a boba fett and your set - oh and a chewbacca as a dreadnought lol!
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
I actually saw most of this stuff on 'cool mini or not' and then saw em here on dakka, just wanted to say good job so far can't wait to see more.
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Post by: paulson games
I was tinkering with a chapter banner and here's a couple variations
I'm going to test it on the shoulder pad without the red background. I'd also worked up another version where the eagle is higher up and is perched on top of the empire cog but it ended up looking way to nazi-esque, especially on the red flag.
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Post by: jabbakahut
I wouldn't use the entire eagle, too busy. I would try just a wing, or maybe the two heads.
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Post by: spartanghost
they remind me of Command and Conquer Red Alert. but awesome!
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Post by: thekingofdinner
maybe try having the circle in the center with wings coming out of each side like this?
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btw, That Bobba Fett looks awesome!
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Post by: Breaker
thekingofdinner wrote:maybe try having the circle in the center with wings coming out of each side like this?
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btw, That Bobba Fett looks awesome!
Or superimpose the Empire ( SW) symbol over the eagle so the wings do the same thing as suggested above and the heads are visible, but the Empire's symbol is still visible.
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Post by: Court
I think i just filled the cup, very very nice lookin conversions there.
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Post by: GoFenris
thekingofdinner wrote:maybe try having the circle in the center with wings coming out of each side like this?
Yes, I agree!
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Post by: Sgt.Harris
looks good, looking forward to more!
laters, Joe
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Post by: Disjointed Entity
Anyways, really nice looking conversions there! Really want to see some more!
Keep it up!
Disjointed
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Post by: karmaiko
You may be better off using Tau rules for them, the star wars guys don't have the endurance to call themselves Marines. Also a lot of stuff, like your flying pod thing, seems more Tau like to me, than marine.
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Post by: paulson games
Today turned out to be a complete bust.
I had a double shift at work so I figured I'd have a total modeling marathon, (as that where I do the majority of my work). But I was a slow and apparently grabbed the wrong box of bits leaving practically everything I needed at home. So I couldn't tackle the Emperor model as I planned or tinker with the scout bike, the only project I could work on was my second At- St, I needed to work on it anyway but I could only complete part of it as all the weapon bits were left at home. grr <_<
So rather than have lots of stuff to keep my busy as I'd planned I ended up with massive surplus of time to kill and no models to work on :(
I did have some bits with me so I dug through them hoping I could find something useful, sadly I didn't find anything inspiring, but I happened upon a rather odd discovery. At some point a while back I was hookwinked with some fake bits from ebay. I found a set of landraider las cannons & sponsons in the bits box that was much darker than the other parts and it had a strange waxy type film on it. As looked a bit closer I noticed the details and lines were also a bit off. I tried to scrape off some of the film and the plastic started peeling up in fine layers instead of scraping smooth. Looking at the inside of one of the pieces there I could see where the plastic hadn't mixed right and there were tiny black swirls.
I bent one of the pieces until it broke and rather than stressing turning white and snapping the plastic crumbled apart, it almost like it's made from hundreds of layers ontop of each other really weird. No ide who I got it from as it's been in the box for a couple years but if I knew I'd report them to GW. I'll see if I can snap a pic of the crappy plastic tomorrow.
It's not much to show for now but here was my only real progress today, walker #2 in progress:
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Post by: Sicarious85
Thats pretty awesome. Can't wait to see some paint on it all. and an AT-AT!
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Post by: SINISM
I think I just nerdgasmed a little...
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Post by: SINISM
P.S. ....
his back pack... has jets...
sorry for the ridiculous reference...
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Post by: xedric
Totally awesome stuff! Those walkers are beautiful and the Fetts? Pure win.
POSTMORE!
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Post by: paulson games
I picked up an at-at toy on ebay which will be serving as some sort of titan, it's about 23-26 inches tall so it's absoultely huge compaired to a warhound titan, so it could easily substitute for a warlord or emperor titan due to the size. Not sure what exactly I'll do to 40k it up, weapon changes onviously and slap imperial eagles on it but I'm going to have to think on it.
Here's a shot of one next to regular star wars figures (which are almost 3 times as tall as 40k figures) Marines won't even come up past the first part of foot.
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Post by: paulson games
I've been mocking up some rough ideas of what I want to do with the giant at-at, if use it as a stand in for an emperor titan it'd have a number of hull mounted weapons, and the current design of the at-at doesn't reall have much room for weaponry as it's fairly narrow in width despite being very tall and long.
I could widen the design and add turrets on the side to acomidate destroyer sized weapons. According to the str wars expanded universe there is an even bigger version of an at-at called the AT-HE, All-terrain heavy walker or super heavy at-at, which mounts star ship sized turbo laser batteries, which in mind mind is a perfect translation for apoc destroyer weapons.
Here's a rather kicking piece of concepot art for a AT-HE
Here's a side shot of the concept I have in my head in part based off that art, the rear cannons would be supported by an assembly that looks kinda like the shoulders of a warhound titan but the cannons would be mounted above the structure rather than being underslung like arms. (simular to how the shoulder cannons are on a warlord titan) The front cannons would be mounted in a boxy type turret.
It'll require adding a 3rd set of legs and expanding the overall length and width to give it an even larger size, a rough estimate would place it between 30 inches tall & 35-40 inches long!
Here's a size comparison to show just how huge it'd be.
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Post by: captain.gordino
That is, admittedly, pretty darn cool. It'll be swell if you can pull if off.
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Post by: Flachzange
Indeed. Interesting concept. However, I like the drawn version even better. No "Head" but a built-in bridge, surrounded by heavy weaponry. Awesome!
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Post by: paulson games
There is a seperate head in the drawing version, the necks are just very heavily armored so it's not easy to see. Look at the one on the right you can see the neck gap on that one better as it's turning it's head away to fire at targets.
The heads definately look much more like a battle ship bridge than the old style AT-AT and I really like the look, I just need to figure out how to replicate it in plastic.
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Post by: Flachzange
paulson games wrote:There is a seperate head in the drawing version, the necks are just very heavily armored so it's not easy to see. Look at the one on the right you can see the neck gap on that one better as it's turning it's head away to fire at targets.
The heads definately look much more like a battle ship bridge than the old style AT-AT and I really like the look, I just need to figure out how to replicate it in plastic.
Ah, I stand corrected. I agree with you though. It does look better. As much as I am a fan of the original AT- AT, this one looks bad a$$.
The lines are all rather straight, so you should be able to built a lot of it with plasticard without too much effort.
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Post by: paulson games
So the amusing part of having modeling ADD is that whenever I sit down intending to work on a set project I shoot off in random directions and it's never what was intended. It can be good in that it's always acompanied by a rush of creativity but it can be highly aggrivating because I can't finish the parts I planned to. Tonights plan was to finish the stormtroopers and the probe droid, and instead I made the emperor, go figure.
The wrinkly old man just doesn't work as a butt kicking marine, so he's not as true to form as he could be. I can always lie and say he's the emperor's young buff clone that takes over after return of the jedi. Oh well some things won't quite mesh but that's ok as the project goal is to capture the overall feel not to do a direct carbon copy of star wars.
He's still WIP, the pointy finger power glove is so overused and I know I can do better, so his hand will soon be on the recieving end of my dremmel. I'm going to remove the clenched part of the powerfist and replace it with a powerfist hand that's splayed open to shoot force lightning. Would have started on that tonight but I forgot my styrene at home, oops.
His head is tilted as far forward as I can take it without it looking like he has a broken neck, the intent is to grant the hood a deeper concealing shadow this will be aided by the painting where I'll be keeping everything from the nose up very dark so he disappears into the hood and give him yellow eyes. I'm going to try painting him as though he were underlit aka "monster lighting" to give him a creepy air to him.
I gave him the same sword as Vader so that it helps tie them together visually as Sith lords and I also like the AOBR sowrd a lot for sme reason. Like Vader his sword will be painted red (of course).
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Post by: A-P
Nice! Keep up the good work  .
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Post by: Gundam-Mecha
Sicarious85 wrote:Thats pretty awesome. Can't wait to see some paint on it all. and an AT-AT!
I second that, I love those walkers!
This is a really characterful and well executed theme for the army. Top stuff!
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
As for the project, it is coming along nicely,now more!!!!
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Post by: Fresh
i love the theme and great work one the colour scheme. to C&C i think that the super heavy AT-TE with the 6 legs just looks weird but im sure you could make it work! keep up the good work!
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Post by: Sketches
I really like the individual models. Very unique
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Post by: Morgrim
The photo of Sidious already has a hint of uplighting on the face, and I agree: I think it will give him a very fitting, evil look.
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Post by: paulson games
A minor concern at first was that the emperor would look a bit too much like vader as it's using the same body and cape. Unfortunately there's only two styles of dark angels legs available and the other set only makes good for a person walking straight forward which doesn't seem as dramatic to me. Hopefully the emperor looks distinct enough to stand out on his own but also evoke some of the look Vader has going for him as well.
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Post by: Flachzange
The emperor is great paulson. some force lightning would be kinda cool
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Post by: StubbyGB
These guys looks great and its a cool idea for an army. I cant wait to see one of the new troopers finished.
The Emporor looks awesome, even though, yes he is a big space marine, he still (with the head down) looks slightly hunched and the uplighting will rock !
Keep up the good work, this is an awesome blog.
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Post by: Mellon
Regarding the OT: You are doing an excellent job of crafting in the spirit of StarWars. Show us more!
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Post by: Gundam-Mecha
More models please! I for one want to see something done with Jabba the Hut!
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Post by: Che-Vito
Gundam-Mecha wrote:More models please! I for one want to see something done with Jabba the Hut! 
I think he is going for an Imperial-only theme, the only reason I could understand Boba/Jango Fett being okay is that both found themselves in the employ of Palpatine or Vader at some point.
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Post by: paulson games
Che-vito pretty much nailed it, the running theme for the army is strictly imperial forces & imperial era, Boba and Jango are in because they were bounty hunters working for the empire. I will also be modeling some of the other bounty hunters from empire strikes back (IG-88)
Jango technically shouldn't be in there as he's long dead by the imperial era, however I was really happy with how Boba's model came out and he's such a cool character I felt compelled to do his model as well.
My plan is to make the assault jump infantry out of mandalorian troops and jango will be the squad's sergeant. He'll be painted in jango's color scheme but it could also just be another mandalorian that happenes to look like him.
Some of the prominant rebel characters will be apearing on ojective markers as they are too iconic to leave out, but they can't be part of the army itself due to the theme.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Sounds good,now may the force be with you.
Buy this guy from Heresy multi-part miniatures.He could make a cool mini-Darth or objective marker:
http://www.heresyminiatures.com/hv019.htm
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Post by: kharndude
i think you have the best star wars themed army i have ever seen. i like how power sword are light sabers. i lso like your jango and boba fett models. what did you use to make them. i think they look bitchen. i love the way you actully made it look more 40k, but with a hint of star wars. I give you an A+++++++++ on the models.
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Post by: paulson games
That mini darth is pretty hilarious.
The Fetts are a mix of scout marine legs & hands with cadian torsos and arms. Boba has a Tau arm holding the rifle. The heads are carved down marine helmets (pointy face ones).
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Post by: Erasoketa
This army looks sooo cool! I love how you have combined the standard Stormtrooper and the standard astartes.
And that big machines are scary lol
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Post by: paulson games
A huge box arrived today which finally answered my question of just how BIG is the big daddy AT- AT?
Marine vs Foot:
See the tiny Marine?
AT- AT vs Landraider:

AT- AT vs warhound:
"Don't worry little friend, one day you'll grow up to be big and strong like me."
His cannon fell off during shipping but it'll be fixed, I'm going start start taking measurements and start drawing up plans for converting the superheavy AT- AT. A second AT- AT is on the way to provide the extra legs and parts to extend the torso.
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Post by: dashrendar
That AT-AT is awesome! I love it! as a huge Star Wars fan, I love the whole army! keep it up!
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Post by: Firebuck
That is totally sweet. I am most impressed.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
WOW! that is the best star wars army i've ever seen. Can't wait to see more. Look for a warhound sized AT-AT and a Imperial shuttle for a thunderhawk transport.
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Post by: Mellon
Aaaaawww, it really looks like the AT-AT is motherly leaning his head over the scared little warhound, saying stuff like "Don't mind the noise. It's going to be allright." Very cute.
If you make the top come off the AT-AT you can probably use it to play kill-team or =I=munda or something similar inside it.
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Post by: Boss Julian
While this stuff looks amazing something about mixing the universes just doesn't appeal to me. My fluff alarms just start ringing to hard haha.
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Post by: paulson games
I can certainly understand that point of view, for purist of both the 40k and star wars settings it can be quite jarring to see them slapped together into one setting. Regardless of how well I may paint or model the stuff I know that not everyone is going to be a fan of the project simply because of the clash of settings.
Honestly I wasn't so sure about the project when I started but the more I tinkered with stuff the more it grew on me. As evident with the Emperor's model not everything is going to blend seemlessly and there will be bumps in how it pairs up with 40k. I'm sure down the road I'll figure out ways I could have styled certain parts better, but that's part of the learning curve.
That's why I'm keeping this project as my fun army, my decidated army is a templars one that way I also have something that's straight up 40k.
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Post by: GorMek
This is looking great. As far as the chapter banner I like the one on the right myself
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Post by: paulson games
I'm somewhat stuck on my AT- AT options, there 3 distinct sizes I can work with.
The largest is the AT-HE made from the toy, this would fill the role of an emperor. t(he reason I'm thinking emperor over warlord is the troop capacity)
The second largest AT- AT option 1 - could be used as a warhound, at 12 inches (14 long) it's slightly taller than the warhound and much longer.
The smallest AT-At option 2 - could serve possibly as a landraider? It's 8 inches tall (9 long) so it's a bit longer than a raider but with the height it'd be hard to represent the access points and assault ramp unless I figure out a way to fudge it.
Here's a pic of all the various options set to the same scale, the silouettes are the AT- St walker (treated as a dread) Landraider and a marine.
Would using a smaller AT-At as an oversized landraider look particuarly out of place? Is it simply odd?
(The scale of the AT-ATs from the movies would be the warhound sized one. )
The model below (by Bruno Rizzo) looks to be built off the 8 inch model, and mixes in a good amount of GW bits. Not sure what he plays it as, but it does look fairly large on the table when it's the only AT- AT on the table. But I think if I place one of the larger scale version down around it it suddenly starts feeling more like a pygmy AT- AT ( AT-SE aka AT-ShortEdition  )
The thing I like about Rizzo's version is the GW parts, I'm not sure how well the models based on stock star wars kits would be recieved by the GW bunker staff. I know that Rizzo's version would have little to no problem as there's a ton of GW parts forming the majority of the piece. But I don't know if that's something I should even worry about. The landspeeder head and add on parts make it look distinctly 40k, and I like the model, but I'm a bit conflicted on how well it represents the AT- AT's distinctness.
And alongside his guard army:
I hadn't seen these until I was well underway with my project. I wish I'd seen these before I started my army as I may have gone with guard instead, but having marines will give it it's own unique flavor even when held up to his stuff.
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Post by: Che-Vito
paulson games wrote:I'm somewhat stuck on my AT-AT options, there 3 distinct sizes I can work with.
To sum up my thoughts on all that you wrote: Stay the course.
Personally, I think the AT- AT that he has looks slowed, especially when put next to the models that are only 1/3 of it's height.
Keep up what you are doing, and your Star Wars force will kick the crap out of his.
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Post by: CT GAMER
Stormtroopers with BS4 standard?!?
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Stormtroopers with BS4 standard?!?
ya but when shooting at main characters they to bs 2
Also AT- AT's are big they should be titans not land raiders I can kill a land raider easy with a war boss w/ PK.
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Post by: Che-Vito
CT GAMER wrote:Stormtroopers with BS4 standard?!?
Well, the official Star Wars explanation actually makes sense. The explanation is that in the instances in the movies where the main characters are fighting Storm Troopers, they are either under orders to fire on Stun, or for some other purpose.
AKA
-on the Death Star 1, they were supposed to drive them towards the M. Falcon
-on Bespin they were supposed to lure Luke towards Vader
-on Bespin they were supposed to let Leia and Chewbacca escape
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Post by: Death Gear
nice job
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Post by: It
Now THIS is awesome. Much better than most of the stuff here (not that i've looked at it all, obviously)
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Post by: Fresh
paulson games wrote: 
lol, the look on the marine shows in that picture is priceless - looks like he is turning around, dropping his gun and going - oh s  t
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
I know im sounding selfish but i want to see more work faster.
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Post by: Fallenbourne
I would recommend to make this "GW friendly". Replace the guns with GW cannons and (this may be rediculous) either use or make the feet of the AT-AT look like the warhounds feet and maybe even replace the head to be a warhounds head. Then add various bits from other kits to add armor.
Just my $.02
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Post by: The Dreadnote
To hell with that! Why compromise on an army that's being made entirely for fun in the first place?
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Post by: Che-Vito
The Dreadnote wrote:To hell with that! Why compromise on an army that's being made entirely for fun in the first place?
The reason I could think of would be that the rest of his army is actually playable in most settings, while that AT- AT wouldn't be. But of course, if you are playing a non-tournament Apoc game, then most people would probably be okay with having the AT- AT be a "counts as" for a Titan...it gives them a bigger target (and more side armor shots) than a normal titan anyways.
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Post by: Mattlov
FlammingGaunt wrote:
Also AT-AT's are big they should be titans not land raiders I can kill a land raider easy with a war boss w/ PK.
So? Luke killed one with a single grenade.
I love this stuff. I'd fight you anytime. This is made of win, covered in awesome-sauce.
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Post by: Che-Vito
Mattlov wrote:
So? Luke killed one with a single grenade.
.
Oh, this makes me think of Robot Chicken...
Trooper Pilot is on the can, when a grenade is thrown up through the floor..."what in the ^%#@?" ...
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Post by: 0079
CT GAMER wrote:Stormtroopers with BS4 standard?!?
"And these blast points, too accurate for Sand-people. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."
I'll take Kenobi's word over what is actually shown any day.
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Post by: paulson games
You know you have a crappy day coming when you are at work less than fifteen minutes and somebody decides to hit you with a metal chair (literally) just one of the many joys of working with crazy people at a rehab clinic. <_<
That's how my 16 hour day started yesterday, then on top of it for the second time in a row I forgot my styrene at home, although I managed to remember all my bits. I am going to start stapling sheets of it to my work shirt so I can't leave it at home again. Fortunately my wrist didn't get broken although it hurt like heck and I got some modeling work done, the rest I finished up tonight as this time I remembered to bring in my plastic.
Here's this weekends shot of star wars love, the first scout speederbike.
The bike is done but the rider needs a lot more work, his arms need to be reposistioned and the handle bars moved. It doesn't look right with the arms extended straight and it blocks sight of the head. Straights arms are for hog choppers, he needs to look more like he's riding a crotch rocket sport bike. I'm going to move the handle bars closer to the body and his arms will be changed so they are at a 90 degree bend at the elbow. (I'm probably not keeping the shotgun)
His head will also be replaced with a scouttrooper helmet, this was just added for a test fit to see if the pose would work, the hole in his head is from having to hold it in place with a pin while it glued as the darn thing was next to impossible to hold.
The bike itself is pretty much done other than a bit of gap filling and I need to add a pair of control wires going down the steering collums. Outside of that the bike is good to go. The grenade launcher is magnetized so it can move or be replaced with the paired bolters.
As for the shooting stuff I see it like this, in the star wars universe they are supposed to be total dead eye crack shots, but they never hit the main characters because without them there's no story. The various no name rebels get slaughtered by storm troopers both when they raid Leia's ship and also on Hoth, and they can hit C-3PO a mile away blinfolded. So they do display some skill in the films. Also the force is supposed to be superstrong with those characters, so they are protected by it, it might look like luck but there's no such thing as luck when it comes to the force.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Looking good, sorry to hear you got whacked with a metal chair at work.Where do you work(sorry if you mentioned it I am really slow of the mark today I had a terrible nights sleep, I know you said rehab clinic but a rehab clinic for whom?)
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Post by: paulson games
It's a private rehab site, they focus on a lot of differant things we have stuff ranging from eating disorders to hard core drug addicts and substance abuse.
Some of the ones going through withdrawl can get kinda violent as they want to get out (and we won't let them). People going through Heorin withdrawl are usually the worst to deal with.
I can't comment on stuff too heavily on it as privacy is a huge deal at my work, we can never name who our patients are outside of work. The majority of people we deal with are highschool to college age, although some are also older adults.
It's usually a pretty quiet job which is why I get most of my hobby stuff done there. This weekend was kind of the exception. Never can tell what is going to happen there, and it always seems like when you want it to be calm the most is when it explodes with the crazy stuff.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
That is rather sad,well hope to see more on you're star wars themed army soon.
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Post by: paulson games
It's a bit depressing at times to see how bad some people have been messed up either through drugs or mental issues, but when you do help people clean up sucessfully and you can see them recovering it does feel quite good to know you helped change somebody's life for the better, so it does have some good upsides too.
BTW that avatar is hilarious
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
I see.
Oh and thanks,but since you laughed,"YOU ARE FIRED!!!!"
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Wow I honestly never thought so many people would do star wars armies. now that I think about I realise that I should've saw it coming. keep up the good work and hope you don't get bit by a drug addict(it hurts don't ask me how I know).
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Post by: Flachzange
Wow, thats some good looking stuff. Especially the BARC´s and Royal Guard look ace.
While I didnt know either that so many people actually built star wars armies, I have to say Im not suprised. Its a great theme with the potential for some killer conversions.
Im looking forward to more of your work as well though
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Post by: Wehrkind
I really like the IG/Eldar armies. Not that your lads are not off to a great start  I just think that the theme lends itself to lighter infantry than Space Marines.
As to the AT- AT, I like the idea of running the warhound one as a warhound. Alternately, take a look at Bell of Lost Soul's "Lords of Battle" mini-dex for superheavies. The Leviathan type vehicles might be best for the big AT-HE with transport capacity.
And remember, all main character have 2+ invulnerable "Plot Protection" saves
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Post by: Wolf
Cor blimey ! They are fantastic !! Varactyl ! (thats the lizard for those that didnt know  )
I love the speeder very cool, i look forwardf to seeing more of your men
Wolf
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
More pics! more pics!
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Found these guys on the net and you're blog leapt to mind.They remind me of that thing General Grievous rode on(sorry if I spelt that wrong,I have never been a starwars buff).
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Post by: chromedog
They're called "wheelbikes" and there's a real one in Sweden somewhere (some engineering pointy-head made it).
Those are some nice orky bikes, though.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Yet another product of my endless searches on cool mini or not.(oh boredom the web searchs you spawn!)
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Post by: General Stubbs
I love these Star Wars guys, the other day I made Vader's Scret Apprentice (Light Side version) andused it in my friends Star Wars Roleplaying Game.
@ Deff Dread: Nice find!
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Post by: PsychosisPC
chromedog wrote:They're called "wheelbikes" and there's a real one in Sweden somewhere (some engineering pointy-head made it).
Those are some nice orky bikes, though.
There is also a guy in Michigan that has been building them for probably close to 20 years now. Very cool.
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Post by: paulson games
Those wheel bikes look pretty cool, although the loud paint jobs make my eyes burn! Excellently painted, but the colors are so nausiatingly bright just like ork vehicles should be.
On the tau forum (ATT) speedfreak's droid army has a wheel bike for general greivous.
Swede's are responsible for 80% of the cool things in the world  I'm part swedish and my contribution is cool Star Wars 40k stuff
Got a bit of painting started, no real progress this week as my work schedual was messed up, and also been putting in a bunch of time adding 40k stuff to my store website.
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Post by: bigdaddydreadnought
You should make the HQ's all psykers ( The force FTW)
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Post by: WingWong
Loving your work so far - as I said on the first page, I am slowly getting hold of bits for my Jedi Council clone era army. A few questions:
1) What is the basis of the speeder bike (the chassis I guess)?
2) The army you posted from the french site - any idea if the minis are converted/GS's from GW stuff or just repainted Star wars miniatures? Particularly the vehicles??
Cheers
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Post by: paulson games
The speeder bike's body is just a regular marine scout bike that's been turned around so that the bike rear end is now the front end of the speederbike. Lots of cutting in the engine and wheel areas then built the under carriage out of styrene. The rear thrusters are cut down landspeeder missles pods from the raven wing sprues.
The french star wars army is almost all converted GW parts which is what I find so impressive. The republic fighter is the single exception, that appears to be the standard model kit. (played as a grav tank). The troops transport is a forge world Arvus Lighter, the war-walker is converted sentinel, and the gun platform is stock. Obi Wan's parrot lizard mount is converted from a GW fantasy lizardman rider. The various jedi are converted from GW models that have had extensive greenstuff work done to them, looking at the leg/boot patterns I think they were originally from warhammer fantasy range minis.
The clone troopers are made from eldar, with resculpted heads. I think he may have cast the heads but not sure. The sandpeople are converted eldar snipers. The battle droids are made from necrons. Yoda I think is from goblin, gobnar, and skaven parts. Obi Wan's head is from the old empire militia or mordheim sprue. The star wars miniatures are considerably smaller and thinner than GW models, the clones look slender as they are from eldar and had a lot of the muscle detail on their armor removed or was smoothed down.
My medium sized AT-Ats finally arrived today so I'm currantly in the process of building those, pcis will be forthcoming when they are completed.
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Ok here's pics of the growing AT- AT herd. I'll be modifying these a bit but wanted to get the models together so there was at least some indication of progress before I spent mad amounts of time in the conversion. The legs are a giant pain to pose correctly but oteh rthan that I gotta say it's one of the best snap together model kits I've ever worked with, and on top of that everything comes prepainted. I'll be redoing the paint job after I convert them but it's nice to look at a model that looks complete for the time being.
Not the full sized herd as I have a 2nd giant AT- AT and then 3 small one that are about half the size of the medium one, but I don't think I'll be using them as they aren't very imposing, and the titan sized AT-ATs are much cooler. I shoudl have included the second giant AT- AT but was feeling lazy and didn't want to go digging through the garage to get it.
If you look closely you can see the tiny stormtrooper marine down by the feet, I love how giant these are.
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Post by: WingWong
Thanks for the info - lots of ideas!
What kits are the medium At-ats? Ie, who makes them etc?
Thanks again
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Post by: paulson games
It's a Revell snaptite kit, sells for about $55. (It measures about 12 inches tall) Not exactly cheap but definately better than what GW stuff costs. I think the republic fighter kit from the french army I posted is also a revell kit. Their star wars kits have great detail and definately worth the price IMO. They have a lot of differant vehicles from the star wars movies and their models are all relatively new sculpts where the mpc/ertl stuff was around when I was a kid back in the late 70's early 80s so they work but definately show their age when compaired to newer sculpts of the models.
The smaller AT-ATs (which aren't pictured) are about 8 inches, those are made by MPC and Ertl, those used to run about $15 and run anywhere from $10-30 on ebay depending on the seller.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
So how is the army coming dude?
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Post by: paulson games
Painfully slow this week, been feeling under the weather all week, and picked up a PS3 so that has also been competeing for my spare time. My work has me schedualed for the day shifts this weekend so I won't be modeling much as there's actual work to be done during the day unlike on the evening shift. I'm hoping to tackle a few models on sunday but don't think I'm going to have all that much done.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
I see,well hope everything goes well at the rehab center.
Hope to see stuff soon.
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Post by: Gavin Thorne
IIRC, those orks are riding "Monowheels" - a peice of wargear hailing from RT and 2nd ed days...
There's a few sites dedicated to Star Wars models, listing current and discontinued kits. Many of these kits are close enough to 28mm to work well with 40K models. I've thought about getting the Republic Walker from the scene on Kashyyk in Ep3 to use as a sentinel.
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Post by: werewolfhunter
First off, Great work. I really like to color of your stormtrooper/marines. Also love the squad speeder. Fun armies, should be fun to build, play with, and play against. I'd love to see the finished army in a battle.
Now a question - Is the head you are using, for the marines, from the starwars "minis" line (the game) or from the action figures?
Also, I know how it is to work with addicts. I work at a jail and on top of addicts I've had to watch a serial killer, a couple of mass murders, along with the garden variety criminals. Watch yourself and stay safe.
Keep up the great work.
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Post by: paulson games
The stormtrooper and vader heads are from the star wars miniatures line, specifically the dark trooper heads as the normal stormtrooper heads are too small and dark trooper heads are much larger. I bought about 40 dark troopers, but if I want to increase my army beyond that I'll probably need to end up casting the heads which I may do anyways as they are a pain in the butt to clean mold lines off of as they are a very rubbery type of plastic and very difficult to clean well.
A small update I was off work last night and able to get some hobby time in, managed to get the main body chasis done on 3 new speeders and start on the engines, I still have quite a bit of work as l need to do the steering collums and drivers. But it's going smoothly. I also picked up a 3rd sentenal to convert, which will give me 3 AT- STs. It gave me ground to consider a 6 dread master of the forge list as it'd let me run fairly points heavy list with only needing a few models. I think a jawa in a servo harness might be absolutely hilarious for a master of the forge stand in, alternately I could make some sort of spider tech-droid for the MOF, based on a b'omarr monk (the brain spiders from Jabba's palace).
For star wars related comedy check out the movie "Fanboys", it has Seth Rogan and Dan Fogler (balls of fury) IMO a rather hilarious movie about some fanboy/geek guys taking a cross country road trip so they can break into skywalker ranch and steal episode 1 before it's released. I particuarly enjoyed their clash with the trekkies and Zoe is smoking hot. Highly entertaining and made for great background distraction while I was working on the models.
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Post by: paulson games
Had a crazy busy weekend with tons of extra hours at work, but very little room for modeling. Would have liked to get more done, but I was able to tackle a couple new models.
Reworked the rider's arm and handle bars on the speederbike, now his arms are bent at the elbow eliminating the straight arm hog/chopper riding posistion he had going on previously. Now he looks like he's leaning into the thrust much more and I think it probably imparts a bit more feel for the intended speed of the model's look. The handle bars were also moved further back as his reach is a bit shorter now.
I also have 3 more bikes well underway it'll probably take me an hour tops to finish the steering veins and rear of the bikes. However the riders do take a while as there's a fair amount of cutting & reposistioning to make everything fit.
Then I started on some Jawas, these were built off of skaven plague monks, dark angel hoods, guard and marine parts. Lots of chopping and pinning to give them a bit more upright of posture, and healthy amounts of scraping to smooth down the robes. I have a 3rd jawa body in progress but no pics of him yet, picked up a box of the skaven today as I only had 3 models, now I'll have ample extras. Next project after the Imperial list? Maybe a Jawa & Tuskan army?
Jawa 1 was the first model and I think he captures the look pretty spot on, Jawa 2 has a multimelta cobbled together from discarded junk, ala Jawa style. Felt that since he has a heavy weapon he might be best served as looking a bit beefier than his squad mates so I gave him the shoulder pad armor. Not 100% sure if I like it or not, I may remove it but I'm going to wait until I have more of the squad done before making the call to keep the pads or not. Jawa 2 needs a bit of mold scraping and I still need to carve his feet down to match jawa 1.
These guys will be played as servitors for my techmarine. I've been giving a lot of thought and not sure how to pull off jawa spider droid combo as a techmarine so I may skip that and use a Rodian (greedo's alien race) which would be patterned after the Rodian Heavy Guardian in force unleashed game so he'd have really bulky armor and a big mini gun looking thing for his conversion beamer.
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Post by: ShumaGorath
I think you missed a real opportunity to make the Jawas as sniper scouts.
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Post by: GoFenris
Wouldn't that role fit more with Tuskin Raiders?
Great conversions BTW. Really neat stuff!
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Post by: Kung Fu Jim
Fantastic, great theme, please continue to post more pics!
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Post by: slice of toast
Simply marvelous work thus far!
I do think that the meltagun on the Java is a bit out of place, though - it's very large in the picture compared to him, and I never really pictured the Javas as having anything as hardcore as meltaguns. However, meltagun Java's face captures the feeling better than the first guy, as the face is farther back under the cloak in the second model.
The bikes look sweeeeeet. But of course, you probably figured that out already
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Post by: Reecius
Awesome army! I can't believe I didn't see this sooner! Keep it up, who cares if there are similar armies out there. Yours looks great.
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Post by: gretar
These should be multi produced by GW , i would absoloutly love too play a game of star wars one day
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Post by: manworker
i wish i had the skill and time to do this sort of stuff. i love all the models that you are doing you have lots of great ideas for what they models will be and they all make sense
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Post by: yani
These models are the awesomesauce
Moar please.
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Post by: Llamahead
Lovely stuff absolutely amazing!
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Post by: paulson games
Thanks for the comments guys, I've got a pretty good feel for when I 'm happy with a model, and I can anticipate when it will be well recieved (I hope), but it's always quite reassuring to get the comments and feedback.
I put in a bits order today and ordered a couple unit boxes, when thet stuff gets here I'll be doing some Tusken Raider snipers. Jawa snipers had crossed my mind but the Jawas looked funny (in a bad way) with oversized rifles, heck even a standard bolter looks like a squad heavy wepaon on them because they are so tiny. That's why I had to do the cutom melta as the normal multimelta is bigger than the jawa carrying it. I need to have a heavy bolter in the servitor squad but I think it'll have to be a tripod weapon as it's way too big for a jawa.
I started putting together the stormlord tracks today, when those are done I'll have a frame of reference to figure out how the sandcrawler body should go together. I also ordered parts to experiment with making dark troopers which will stand in as terminators. I was going to do imperial scout troopers as snipers originally but I decided to adopt a Tattoonie feels for the army and while I love the scout troop design it seemed a bit odd for the desert. I'll still have scouts but they'll be on the bikes and won't have the sniper cloaks I'd planned on originally. The Tusken's will fit perfectly as snipers as that's what they are known for in the star wars universe. Also by going with the Tattonie theme it'll lets me make a couple stormtrooper squads in the desert gear and maybe even with dewbacks, and gives me a great color palette on the bases to contrast nicely with the stark white of the stromtrooper armor, as well as an opportunity to mess around with weathering.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Very cool work, I honestly started reading this blog expecting some horrific Internets-style mishmash of 40k & Star Wars. Instead, I find quality work and some really cool stuff
Really digging those jawas, wanted to make some myself for some time. A jawa + tusken army would be fun times
- Salvage
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Post by: paulson games
I picked up a set of empire wizards to experiment with and see if it'd work for sandpeople/tuskens. I was looking over the parts this morning and I realized that they'd be a perfect fit for the Emperor, not sure why I didn't make that connection before, doh! I like the power armor version but it's not all that accurate of a portrayal of the presence he projects in the movies, so I figured I'd give him another shot and do a more fitting miniature. I did some scraping and refitting of pieces so that the ams were opened outwards a bit more and scraped off the wizardy details on the cloak.
He's still going to need a bunch of greenstuff work as there's some pretty large gaps, but the rough-in works quite well IMO. I think I need to add a bolt pistol to his waist or maybe a lightsaber hilt. Alternately I could replace the right hand with a hand holding a lightsaber/powersword, I'm going to think it over a bit. I'd really like to give him some force lightning but no idea how to go about modeling it, I may just try doing directional lighting with a glowing hand.
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Post by: Goliath
This fits the idea of palpatine much better, When I first saw the original I thought that it didn't work very well with the large cloak, the flowing of the robes on this version is a much more accurate representation of the movie version.
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Post by: Shellfishguy
The new Emperor is much much more in line with the feel of the character in the movies, awesome job!
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Post by: paulson games
I sat down to resume work on the sandcrawler but a part in the box grabbed my attention and I ended up with a new model. He's still in the rough and needs more work but I liking R-2 so far.
He's on a 40mm terminator base so he's definately much larger than he is in the movie, but oh well not everything scales perfectly. The overall image is more important.
Two models in one day, I'm on creative overload
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Haha, love him. I like the new Emperor better though.
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Post by: Disjointed Entity
Pure win in a slightly larger than normal cylindrical robotic format.
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Post by: Havoc13
WOW Love the models
That new Emperor is incredible.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Much more realistic Emperor, your work is awesome!
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Post by: Orkeosaurus
That's a really sweet new Palpatine.
(I wasn't a big fan of the old one, honestly.)
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Post by: paulson games
I didn't manage to get all that much done over the weekend, spent most of my time on R2 and gap filling in the emperor, unfortunately I left the box they were in at work so I don't have updated pics at the moment. I'll have to make sure I remember to bring them home next weekend. I also started on the legs for the bike scouts and have them reposed, but they are in the same box :(
Here's the pics of the stuff I do have onhand and made some minor progress on
Bikes
I would have the 4th bike together but apparently I'm out off the correct bits, I'll need to get ahold of another ammo boxes from a predator for the upper veins. The lower veins attach to the upper ones so I can't put them on til I locate a ammo box.
Here's a shot of the jawa group awaiting greenstuff for their torsos:
I also took a basic step by step line up of how I do the torse for those that are interested.
First step is to cut the plague monk at the waist. I use a jewelry saw for this as it makes a much finer cut than a razor saw and is easier to control. Once he's in half I remove a small amount of plastic from the upper edge of the belt area and remove some of the plastic on the underside of the torso's rear that way they have flat edges where they meet up. The pic on the left shows a differant reference angle on how the torso is reposistioned.
Using a pin vise I sink a pin in the legs and upper torso about where the models spine would be that way it has extra support before I glue them together. Once the torso pieces are together I scrape down the shoulder area so that the hood will fit. You have to remove the entire back collar of the robe and part of the surrounding sholders. Once that's done and you have a nice flat surface you can attach the hood.
Then fill the torso gap with greenstuff. Once it hardened up I go in and trim down the collar on the robe to acomidate the various ammo pouches and belts.
The Dark Angels hood has the face removed with a dremmel tool, I use the bit that looks like a little ball with vertical ridges on it. This new batch of jawas has a couple of the heads made from the helmeted and yelling robed heads for variety as the neckline differs a bit on each version. It's pretty much impossible to remove the face with a hobby knife so it needs a dremmeled out, or a lot of repeat drilling with a pin vise. It takes maybe 2 minutes with the dremmel tops, just be super careful not to slip and stab it into your finger.
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Post by: Wolf
Ahhh these are just soo good  , I... I think im in love,. ahem with your models
Looking great, wack some paint on and they'll be even better !
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Post by: Backdraft005
Wacky stuff man, just wacky.
Good stuff though.
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Post by: Gaznab
I like it a lot especially the Fetts those guys look awesome well played
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Post by: Lord Lankington
UUUUUTTTTTTIIIIIINNNNNNIIIIIIII
those are so cool
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Post by: Grey Knight Luke
fluff wise you should make a whole squad of mandalorians, use em as sternguard. OH! wookies with giant blades as vanguard! OR GIANT WOOKIES FOR DREADS! or Yoda and Wookies for honor guard... or with Palpatine with wookie slaves
Basically what I am saying is that you need wookies to really have any chance of winning with this army... hehe
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Post by: person person
YES!!!
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Post by: Lextheimpaler
This is the cooloest thing ever ( well this and the stargate army) the first sith lord looks better and more ominour i think and your chicken walkers look so bad ass, im not a huge fan of star wars but this makes me wanna go watch the movies all over again. ooo i forgot the bounty hunters look sweet as well with the plasma pistols
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Post by: InyokaMadoda
It's great. But......you do realise that your Palpatine has two hoods....?
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
He needs two hoods- Palpatine is that evil.
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Post by: jabbakahut
I really don't think I've ever seen any army done this creatively. You should win an award or something.
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Post by: captain.gordino
jabbakahut wrote:I really don't think I've ever seen any army done this creatively. You should win an award or something.
Like what, a Morley? I'll have to look back over the thread...
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Post by: Backdraft005
So when are we going to see a rancor? I'm sure theres a Starwar action figure that can be used, put on a platform, spray painted, and based. Have a few guards men with massive cattle prods behind it.
Love the art work btw.
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Post by: paulson games
At the moment no plans for a rancor, as much as I love the big guy he's not part of the all imperial line up. A jaba's palace themed list might be a good option for down the road as dark eldar stuff just screams sand skiff, and it'd be incredibly cool to make a game table that has a sarlac pit in the middle
I think a Jabba list would be an orc list as they'd be the natural stand in for gamorrean guards, toss in the bounty hunters and a rancor as a giant squigoth and it'd be too sweet.
Anways on to the weekly update!
This weekend I quit at my work, my boss wants to play political games with the employees backstabbing each other and being that it's only a part time job I decided it wasn't worth it and walked out. It definately opens up more time for working on the army, but as my weekend job was the source of my gaming budget it may slow things down a bit, fortunately I have most everything I need already. The downside is that my modeling will now have to compete with the PS3 and Xbox for free time now that I'm home on the wekeends.
My casting supplies arrived last week so I puit them to use and cast some stormtrooper heads. I bought a good number of darktroopers but the paint is virtually impossible to remove and the molding on the minis is pretty lax so the majority of them have terrible mold lines or details filled in with gobs of paint. Given how much effort and money I've already sunk into the army I decided I'd cast several of the good heads because I really don't want a bunch of crappy looking stormtrooper heads floating about in the units.
I went through about 40 differant darktroopers and picked out the 5 cleanest looking heads with minimal lines and the smoothest paint. Then I anchored them to a couple pieces of scrap sprue pieces and went to work on making the mold. The housing for the mold I made out of lego blocks with a piece of tin foil taped in place across the bottom. The rubber takes 6-8 hours to cure all the way and requires two seperate pours, one for each half the mold.
I made a couple errors with the mold but ortunately nothing that would affect the casting. First error was I used sticky- tac to hold the heads the sprue, which worked great except when it came time to remove them from the mold, I had to spend the betterpart of an hour scraping the sticky- tac out of the rubber.
The second mistake is that I didn't let the rubber-to-rubber mold release dry long enough before I did the second pour, which resulted in one end of the mold sticking to the first layer, fortunately I was able to get them seperated with a hobby knife, and managed not to ruin the entire mold. Part of the mold is very jagged due to tearing and being cut, but it's not in a detail area.
Here's the cast heads, they came out a bit too soon and were a bit sticky, but the detail level is really solid and there's no bubbling or noticable defects. The resin has about a 2-3 minute working life and around an hour for full cure. It was hard to see the details as the resin is a pure shiny white so I gave it a very quick ink wash to bring out the detial.
I also got some more work in on the jawa pack, greenstuffed the torsos and cut the feet down. The greenstuff work I left a bit rough as it'll all be covered by belts and pouches so it won't be visable, any areas that show I can smooth down later.
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Post by: Darkwulf
What models did you use to build the jawa's ??
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Post by: Tek
This rocks so hard. I really want to build a desert table with a sarlacc now!!
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Post by: paulson games
I cast 8 sets of heads today, for a total of 40. I still need to cast another 70-80 heads so I can cover the rest of the stormtroopers and dark troopers.
I have 30 regular tactical marines, and 3 boxes of devastators. I also have 50 black reach marines that I can use to help bulk out to a full company.
Using the newly cast heads here's the first squad of the black reach marines ready for priming. They take a bit of trimming to fit inside the armored collar. The black reach guys are pretty static in pose but it makes for a very cheap option for getting lots of troops together quickly. These guys I'll give a fairly quick paint job as the detail level isn't as good as the regular tactcial squads who I can focus more attention on.
Overall the casting has gone well, I've had two bad batches occur one the mold slipped a bit so the heads came out lopsided. I also ruined a batch by placing the mould under a lamp while it was curing, this caused the resin to bubble like crazy and flow out of the mould, and leaving the cast parts to look like swiss cheese.
I should have another 2 squads of black reach marines ready for priming tomorrow, and I'll finally be priming heads for the 10 man squad of regular marines I have already together & painted.
I also need to get the devistator squads going, and start work on the terminator squads that I'll be using for darkrtoopers.
Ugh so much to do, but I'm quite happy with the progress I'm making.
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Post by: Lagduf
Nice, the dark trooper casts should considerably ease the process (i hope). You've really done a beautiful execution on this whole project.
Darkwulf wrote:What models did you use to build the jawa's ??
You can't be serious.
He explains how to build the Jawas on this page.
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Post by: Flachzange
Awesome  Love the helmets
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Post by: Backdraft005
Darktroopers type, nice, rarely ever see anyone talk about them yo should make some helms for the old storm troops using the khorne heads without the fins.
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Post by: Havoc13
Can you list the materials you used to build the emperor model? I wiould like to copy the idea for a primaris psyker.
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Post by: paulson games
The emperor is made from an warhammer fantasy empire wizard, a dark angels robed head from the raven wing sprue, and his right hand is from an archer hand that was either from the empire militia or the mordheim sprue not sure which as it's been in my bits box for years. The brass eagle on the chest is forge world ecthed brass. Overall very simple conversion most of the work was scraping down the robes and reposistioning the arms so they are open instead of up against the chest.
The dark troopers are going to be "true scaled" marine made from terminators, darktroopers look pretty much like regular troopers but are easily two heads taller than regular stormtroopers I figured it'd be a perfect fit for truscale marines. They'll be played as terminators as they are intened to be heavy shock troops and capable of taking on entire squads by themself. Keeping to the sar wars theme they'll have modified jump packs, while terminators don't have jump capabilities I can justify the jump packs as what grants their ability to deep strike. The jumping that the dark troopers can do is somewhat limited and is more for getting them to the battlefield quickly, so it made sense ruleswise that'd it stand in as deepstriking. Playing them as assault jump infantry didn't seem like they'd be powerful enough, and terminators are huge and tough as nails.
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Post by: person person
IMHO, I think purity seals and such should be kept to a minimum to keep that cold, 'mechanical' feeling.
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Post by: Morgrim
I hope you kept the bubbly heads. They might not be useful on the models themselves, but a helmet riddled with holes and looking like it's been shot or blasted with force lightning would be perfect for decorating a base.
This theme is probably one of the few you can get away with using your own troops as target practise, after all.
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Post by: Disjointed Entity
I like the clever way you introduced the Dark Troopers equipment into the 40k rules, very well done.
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Post by: Doctor Optimal
paulson games wrote:The heads are from star wars minis, specifically darktrooper heads
Where might one find such a thing? Do you have a company name?
A couple of these would look lawlzy next to the standard beakie heads for my bosspoles.
EDIT: Didn't notice this was 7 pages long. I'm sure this has been asked and answered long ago. Sorry about that.
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Post by: paulson games
The heads are from the star wars miniatures games by wizards, I picked up individual figures on ebay and cleaned out all the cheap ones I could find. The regular stromtroopers are too small to use.
I was setting up to photgraph R2 and the Emperor and I managed to drop the box, the hard wood fllor in the kitchen didn't make it a soft landing and they exploded in a shower of parts, the emperor's head and part of his green stuff are MIA as in one of R2 leg, I suspect they managed to launch themself under the stove which I'll have to move later when I can get some help. If they landed in the air vent somehow I'm kinda screwed, but I can replace the parts as I have extras, thankfully I didn't lose the right hand on the emperor as I only had one copy of that particular hand,
Because of the change in my job situation (not having one now) I've decided I'm going to sell a limited amount of the cast heads to help defray some of the costs of the molds and materials, I'm not looking to sell these to make a profit I only plan on selling enough to make the project be a break even cost. I'll also cast the jawa heads, the mandalorian and scout heads once I get sets of those finished and cast. If anyone is interested feel free to PM me.
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Post by: garret
holy gak. as a major star wars fan i love this.
i wish i had the patience to do this.
also i think you should use an isp speeder for an land speeder. but just a suggestion.
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Post by: jammy
holy cow lol
that is lookin great
no all it needs is chewbacca
but so far great work cant wait to see more
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Post by: manworker
i love these models... wish i had the time and the money to do the tanith that i have been inspired to do frim reading both omnibus
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Post by: garret
this is what i was talking about.
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Post by: manworker
i miss the updates from this thread
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Post by: paulson games
I should have some stuff for you guys this weekend. My camera is being borrowed by family at the moment so no way to get pics until I have it back. :( I haven't be modeling too much as I've been looking for a new job this week. I do plan on working on some more stuff tomorrow and saturday, so it'll be soon.
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Post by: MrTrain
This is all very amazing!  Keep up the good work! I can't wait to see more!
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Post by: Psylon
Holy cow.
Would you be interested in selling those darktrooper helmets? Send me a PM. I've always wanted to do a SW SM themed army, but this is just awesome.
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Post by: afrojoe21
This has inspired me to start my own sm star wars army.
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Post by: garret
When will we be getting updates?
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Post by: garret
When will we be getting updates?
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Post by: GorMek
Any new updates coming soon?
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Post by: kennyalhavg
this is awesome
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Post by: children of filth
wow, that looks great!
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Post by: Rebel
Nice army. Interesting concept. I also made Boba Fett.
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Post by: paulson games
Wow it's been a while since I updated, I got some painting done earlier and I should have some pics shortly. This project isn't dead, it's just been on hold for a bit while I recharged my creative mojo.
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Post by: Disjointed Entity
And Paulson resurfaces!
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Post by: Just Dave
i've just seen this thread and have looked through all 7 pages, and frankly, its FREAKIN' AWESOME!
personally I like both palpatines, but I imagine as your goin 4 a star-wars army you'll prefer the 2nd, whereas I prefer WH40K over Star-wars I liked the 1st more...
Anyway this army is amazing! It deserves more exclamation marks but I fear for my grammar!  I look forward to seeing how it progresses, great work man!
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Post by: MuffinButt358
this is by far the coolest thing i have ever seen in my entire life... you have completed me.
honestly though, this is amazing. what guy doesn't love starwars and for those that are nitpicking it doesn't change the fact that you actually took the time to create this army!
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Post by: paulson games
Thanks for the comments guys, recently I noticed a few other kick ass star wars themed armies cropping up and with my burn out on space hulk it gave me the drive to start working on these guys again. (along with some guard stuff) Once I get this thing a bit more finished I'm thinking I need to expand into either a clone army, or maybe attempt to do an imperial hoth army. I'm definately more of an imperial fan, but also it saves me some work at the same time the rebels are a bit harder to sculpt as there's a lot of unique variety on the rebel side and as a greenstuff novice the thought of trying to sculpt chewie gives me night mares.
I went with the marines because I thought it was a bit more unique looking, there's several star wars armies out there so it wasn't a completely original idea but I hadn't seen any other marine based list so I was looking to cement mine as the first marine build  Almost all the lists I'd seen were using guard rules and models. I think the clone army definately has some appeal, the french one using eldar models and rules is brilliant and the conversions have been amazing it's already covered ground but it just great stuff and it'd give me lots of jedi in the build to play with. Also the clone armies have a much broader array of vehicles that I can use, part of the difficulty with the sticking to the imperial era stuff is there's not much in the way of imperial vehicles to use. IMO, one of the main selling points of modelling the clone army (besides the jedi) is being able to use converted valkyrie models as clone transports, playing them as eldar hovertanks. I am simply enthralled with the valk chasis and can't wait to use one of them for clone wars stuff.
Anyways that's my ramblings for now and I'll be posting up some new pics shortly hopefully with a good degree of paint.
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Post by: person person
Absolutely cant wait for update.
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Post by: paulson games
It's been forever and a day since I've put in work on my star wars army, had to deal with a broken hand for a while and then was further sidetracked by messing with a new nids army.
What got me firing again on the star wars models was going to Adepticon last weekend and seeing some of the crazy/awesome conversions on display and decided to reset my goal for the year and that's to get this army finished and on the table.
So far I've figure dout that the list can be run in 2 main incarnations, Pure Marines, or Space Marines with Allied Inquistors, using Boba Fett as an assassin.
Here's the first shots of the WIP royal guard which will form retinue and honor guard units depending on which list variation I play it as.
The robed legs required a fair amount of dremel work on the back and the iside of the cloak was cleaned out as well. The cloak was bent outwards more by boiling it in water to get it just soft enough to bend.
The foot was cut out and replaced with one from a black reach marine to get rid of the forward lean that the dark angels legs have.
The head is simply a spare marine helmet that had the face cut down and greenstuff added. Once the current greenstuff cures I will be adding a collar to join the neck and shoulders a bit better and replicate the look of royal guard helmet.
Trying to decide what to do with the left arm, I'm thinking possibly adding a shield or bolter.
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Post by: Absolutionis
All the images in this thread are old and broken. That makes me sad. I want to see your army.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
The honor guard looks pretty bad-ass, as it should after the amount of work you've put int.
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Post by: Oshunai
Good to see you are back functioning again! The honor guard look brilliant, and I really like the clever use of the space marine scout torso and robed space marine legs. Where are the heads from?
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Post by: Munch Munch!
Loving the pics I could see. The links are broken though.  Are you going to make a scout trooper head?
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Post by: person person
Your back!!!
Royal Guard looks cool, not sure what to do with the right arm though.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Welcome back!
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Post by: Flashman
Great stuff, particularly like the Boba Fett model.
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Post by: The Good Green
For the Win!
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Post by: Blind
Very cool stuff, best of luck on your project and I'll be sure to keep checking this thread!
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