Just found this on BoLS... July releases for Planetstrike and 2nd wave Space Marines
Product Name Contents Release THE SPEAR OF SICARIUS 142 Model Box July 04 PLANETSTRIKE 80page Book July 04 BLASTSCAPE 5 Craters July 04 IMPERIAL BASTION 1 Model Box July 04 AEGIS DEFENCE LINE 1 Model Box July 04 SKYSHIELD LANDING PAD 1 Model Box July 04 MINES, BOMBS AND BOOBY TRAPS Resin Markers July 04 IMPERIAL OUTPOST 5 Model Set + Gameboard July 18 IMPERIAL DEFENCE NETWORK 13 Model Set + Gameboard July 18 SHRINE OF THE AQUILA 1 Cathedral July 18 IMPERIAL STRONGPOINT 2 Bastions, 3 Defence Lines July 18 VULKAN HE'STAN 1 Model Blister July 18 KOR'SARRO KHAN 1 Model Blister July 18 SPACE MARINE LAND SPEEDER STORM 1 Model Box July 18 SPACE MARINE IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT 1 Model Box July 18
Lord Castellan Mik wrote: Product Name Contents Release
THE SPEAR OF SICARIUS 142 Model Box July 04
PLANETSTRIKE 80page Book July 04
BLASTSCAPE 5 Craters July 04
IMPERIAL BASTION 1 Model Box July 04
AEGIS DEFENCE LINE 1 Model Box July 04
SKYSHIELD LANDING PAD 1 Model Box July 04
MINES, BOMBS AND BOOBY TRAPS Resin Markers July 04
IMPERIAL OUTPOST 5 Model Set + Gameboard July 18
IMPERIAL DEFENCE NETWORK 13 Model Set + Gameboard July 18
SHRINE OF THE AQUILA 1 Cathedral July 18
IMPERIAL STRONGPOINT 2 Bastions, 3 Defence Lines July 18
VULKAN HE'STAN 1 Model Blister July 18
KOR'SARRO KHAN 1 Model Blister July 18
SPACE MARINE LAND SPEEDER STORM 1 Model Box July 18
SPACE MARINE IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT 1 Model Box July 18
Gameboard? Defence Network? They're not bundling these with that gakky "Realm of Battle" overpriced piece of crap are they?
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gameboard? Defence Network? They're not bundling these with that gakky "Realm of Battle" overpriced piece of crap are they?
But other than that:
*DROOL*
I'm sure those are just the terrain pieces that are available separately as an option bundled with the realm of battle board at, perhaps, a small discount.
H.B.M.C. wrote:The RoB board is a really gakky product...
I'm having a Awesome time with mine. I've never played so many games.
Everyone who's played on mine has commented on how good the product is, and that GW should have done it sooner.
Also it's showing practically zero wear or tear, if I sold mine I'd expect to get almost all my money back...
Why do you think it's gakky? I'd have thought of all people you'd have two or three, and be having a blast!
I'm hoping for a secondwave of terrain tiles... smaller hills / Rivers / roads etc...
I can't wait for PlanetStrike. espcially the terrain buildings walls and landing pad.
Loving the idea of playing non apoc games with 6 elites or heavies.
Panic...
Edit: in fact If I did a 6mth retro reveiw on the realm of battle board it would be 10/10 value...
Wow, it's cool that they're actually supporting the realm of battle board, how cool would it be if each new release for an army saw a new board, isn't the Nids coming up next year, cool boards there.
I remember my brown-toothed redshite in my local GW telling me about terrain, trying to sell me the RoB board.
I love the guy so much as his upselling techniques are pants! I was discussing making my urban board for cityfight (and will now be updated for Planetstrike) and also my snowy board for WHFB. Immediately he pipes up "You should buy the RoB, it's only one millionty pounds!*"
I said it was overpriced gak and I wouldn't be forking out for it, as mdf, foam, cork and other stuff is insanse cheap.
He looks at me and tries to tell me that the instore 4x4 board cost over £350 to make. I feel a little cruel now as I laughed hard in his face and implied that whoever made it may be suffering from a degenerative mental illness.
Yeah, turns out he made it.
Still, I can't wait for the Planetstrike stuff man. So super cool.
THE SPEAR OF SICARIUS 142 Model Box PLANETSTRIKE 80page Book BLASTSCAPE 5 Craters IMPERIAL BASTION 1 Model Box AEGIS DEFENCE LINE 1 Model Box SKYSHIELD LANDING PAD 1 Model Box MINES, BOMBS AND BOOBY TRAPS Resin Markers
Planetstrike - July 18
IMPERIAL OUTPOST 5 Model Set + Gameboard IMPERIAL DEFENCE NETWORK 13 Model Set + Gameboard SHRINE OF THE AQUILA 1 Cathedral IMPERIAL STRONGPOINT 2 Bastions, 3 Defence Lines
Space Marines Wave 2 - July 18 VULKAN HE'STAN 1 Model Blister KOR'SARRO KHAN 1 Model Blister SPACE MARINE LAND SPEEDER STORM 1 Model Box SPACE MARINE IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT 1 Model Box
So the Shrine is the Dark Angels thing? and is the IMPERIAL OUTPOST just the IMPERIAL STRONGPOINT plus the RoB board? Ditto for the IMPERIAL DEFENCE NETWORK being 4 Bastions, 1 Cathedral, and 8 Defence Lines?
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'd say so. Similar to the Imperial City and Imperial Sector boxes (ie. Army Box and BattleForce sized, but for terrain).
lol, only the Imperial sector is 90 bucks. let's do the math on 13 pieces plus a gameboard.
Though, honestly, it could be that the e counting each PIECE seperately. Then it might be less stuff. But I just want a whole bunch (3? 4?) of Bastions, a Cathedral, and more defence lines that I can ever use. i play Guard, dammit, this is like a dream come true!
Oh, and I guess I'll get a couple of landing pads too.
Looks like it's going to be an Imperial Strongpoint and a landing pad for me, the most important items on the list when I need to get them from that place that people keep yapping about.
Scottywan82 wrote:lol, only the Imperial sector is 90 bucks. let's do the math on 13 pieces plus a gameboard.
Well I meant this one:
IMPERIAL STRONGPOINT 2 Bastions, 3 Defence Lines
Actually, come to think about it, the fortress thingy is pretty big, so that'll be the 'other' big release. Baneblade sized box probably... maybe even Stompa sized, given it has a fething missile silo in it!!!
Scottywan82 wrote:
Planetstrike - July 18 IMPERIAL OUTPOST 5 Model Set + Gameboard IMPERIAL DEFENCE NETWORK 13 Model Set + Gameboard
I got the ROB set for Christmas and wondered if they where going to do any more gameboards; I hate
the idea of preordering the Defence Network without knowing what exactly it is and how much it will cost..
I think it's a marine box set to represent Sicarius's.... 2nd (? is that right) company in some form or other.
I've heard conflicting reports as to if this is the previously released 100 marines box set plus a (fair few) odds and sods or an entirely new "compilation".
ME either. this stuff looks sweet. Then again, I JUST got the City fight terrain a few weeks ago at logn last. I'm mostly just big into modular plastic terrain kits. Makes me happy.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:So no sign of a Thunderhawk, Storm Troopers, Space Elven jet Bikes or plastic Trygon.
Does that mean they're not coming or just not in July?
My money's on "not coming. at all. ever." The rumor mill just got it colossally wrong with the assumption that Planetstrike was going to be anything like Cities of Death.
Agamemnon2 wrote:My money's on "not coming. at all. ever." The rumor mill just got it colossally wrong with the assumption that Planetstrike was going to be anything like Cities of Death.
I'd take that bet, they are coming just not in July and maybe not in 2009.
My guess is the sets that come with a game board are probably the realm of battle plus some of the new terrain sets. It would be really awesome though if it wasn't and it was all new tiles that could fit together with the ROB pieces So you can have a Bigger Ream of Battle (BROB?)
smiling Assassin wrote:I don't see any storm troopers. My interest dies.
sA
I was under the impression they were going to be released with PS.......
So when do they launch?
ETA: Ooops, never mind, Brimstone pretty much answered it. It would be soooo stupid for GW to not release the STs in the next few months, but then again it is GW and they work in some fething weird ways.
yakface wrote:Why should they not offer a bundle deal?
No good reason, just the RoB board is a really gakky product. I wonder if it's going up in price come June. LOL!
I'm intrigued.
Why do you say it's a "gakky" product?
I game on one regularly with my group, and I think it's an excellent product.
Expensive? Yes... but that doesn't make for a bad product... only a bad PRICE.
yakface wrote:Why should they not offer a bundle deal?
No good reason, just the RoB board is a really gakky product. I wonder if it's going up in price come June. LOL!
I'm intrigued.
Why do you say it's a "gakky" product?
I game on one regularly with my group, and I think it's an excellent product.
Expensive? Yes... but that doesn't make for a bad product... only a bad PRICE.
I hear ya though, I think I have enough minis, most undercoated at best , that I could construct a reasonable fullsize copy of the Imperial palace on Terra out of them.
Anyone else find it odd that the release date is July 4th. Most shops in the US are closed that day for the holiday. Is this just because they always release on sat and this was where the day happened to fall?
Misfit4 wrote:Anyone else find it odd that the release date is July 4th. Most shops in the US are closed that day for the holiday. Is this just because they always release on sat and this was where the day happened to fall?
Unless your store is in a friggin Mall. We get to close for Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving. That's it.
All of the terrain pieces are most welcome. I like the idea of the RoB board but not the actual pieces so seeing some new sections could make that more interesting.
The Defense Line has a quad mounted something. Too bad they didn't make it the Hydra so you could take it and also mount in on a Chimera.
The Landing Pad will make a nice objective and will make a really nice display stand for the Valkyrie when you are not playing.
The Bastion is slightly less interesting but I bet you'll be able to build it in different ways so it probably will be a good kit to have.
I think the past year has been GW's best in a looong time. It's too bad that price hikes keep forcing folks out of the hobby.
Those pics were pretty fuzzy...has anyone seen the actual product yet? I am soooo hoping they are nothing like the last attempt at landing pads and buildings with the cheesy cardboard held up by plastic ends....
thedmstrikes wrote:Those pics were pretty fuzzy...has anyone seen the actual product yet? I am soooo hoping they are nothing like the last attempt at landing pads and buildings with the cheesy cardboard held up by plastic ends....
Man... I gotta start saving now. I was thinking I might expand my RoB board to be 3x4 tiles for giant Apoc games, and now with all this terrain, how can I refuse? Especially if there are city themed tiles, hopefully with streets that are not paved with English faces (or skulls).
tanker wrote:All of the terrain pieces are most welcome. I like the idea of the RoB board but not the actual pieces so seeing some new sections could make that more interesting.
The Defense Line has a quad mounted something. Too bad they didn't make it the Hydra so you could take it and also mount in on a Chimera.
The Landing Pad will make a nice objective and will make a really nice display stand for the Valkyrie when you are not playing.
The Bastion is slightly less interesting but I bet you'll be able to build it in different ways so it probably will be a good kit to have.
I think the past year has been GW's best in a looong time. It's too bad that price hikes keep forcing folks out of the hobby.
Defense line has a quad mounted autocannon. You can just make out the ammo drums on the side facing the camera on the box.
It looks more like it's the Anphelion Project styled auto turrets that were mounted on the lab roofs.
Alpharius wrote:With those pics and knowledge of GW's pricing scheme for kits, someone must be able to ballpark up some prices on these things, right?
If I had to guess?
I'd put the Bastion and the Defense Line at the same pricepoint as a Land Raider or Chimera. The Landing Pad at the price point of a Baneblade, Cathedral at that same pricepoint.
Alpharius wrote:With those pics and knowledge of GW's pricing scheme for kits, someone must be able to ballpark up some prices on these things, right?
If I had to guess?
I'd put the Bastion and the Defense Line at the same pricepoint as a Land Raider or Chimera. The Landing Pad at the price point of a Baneblade, Cathedral at that same pricepoint.
GW scenery kits are rather reasonably priced, I would halve that.
Ozymandias wrote:Crap! Here I am trying to save money to buy a house and GW releases more terrain (and I'm with HBMC in that the single best thing GW does is terrain)!
Damn you GW, you don't want me to own my own home!
QFT!
I'm so happy about this release news. I can't wait!!!!!
Misfit4 wrote:Anyone else find it odd that the release date is July 4th. Most shops in the US are closed that day for the holiday. Is this just because they always release on sat and this was where the day happened to fall?
Darn Brits making us pay for that little rebellion.
Defensive line same cost as scout box. Bastion/Bunker thingy and Landing Pad at same cost as CoD Buildings. Fortress/Aquila thingy Imperial Sector cost.
Oh God no, that's just my wild speculation. I'm comparing them to existing GW terrain kits rather than to Land Raiders or Baneblades or whatever. Makes more sense to me.
And if the Landing Pad is priced like a Baneblade, I'll be skipping it. It's not that great a model, seems to have no stairs or ladder up to it (just a circle on legs really), and just isn't worth the cost of a Baneblade, especially if the massive Dark Angel Aquila Fortress Cathedral thingy is the same cost, 'cause that thing is total awesomesauce.
MagickalMemories wrote:I'm intrigued.
Why do you say it's a "gakky" product?
I game on one regularly with my group, and I think it's an excellent product.
Expensive? Yes... but that doesn't make for a bad product... only a bad PRICE.
Well I didn't use the word 'gakky', that's for sure. The enforced polite filter made me say that.
But to answer your question, it's actually less about price and more about personal preference. I hate what I call 'Moulded Boards', that is to say boards with the details moulded onto them. The GWOZ City store had this great canyon board that looked amazing, but there wasn't a single square inch of flat surface. Dice fell into cracks, landed on their sides, models couldn't always stand up straight, and generally you had a board that look fantastic but was utterly useless for a game. The other problem with that board is that that was all it could do. It was a canyon and could never stop being a canyon. It would always be a canyon.
I love terrain and GW terrain in particular. I'm a GW terrain junkie and I still have hundreds of dollars of unbuilt CoD stuff waiting to be finished, each building I make getting bigger and more elaborate each time. I have 5 sets of Necromunda terrain. I've bought everything they've made and am saving up for two GW Hills and two Modular Hills because I think they're great. I will buy this Planetstrike stuff like a crack-starved addict, but I won't buy the Realm of Battle because it is a moulded board - the hills will always be there, and while there maybe a whopping 6 or so configs, it's still the same hill, with the same approaches, levels and so on. As someone who is into 40K for the aesthetics and the narrative scope (rather than, the rules), boards like the RoB board go against what I do. Whenever we hold an event I'm always asked to do the terrain, and I love doing themed terrain. The last board was a hastily constructed ring of bunkers surrounding an ancient shrine. The time before that was the aftermath of a battle at an Imperial Defensive line, with shattered bunkers, craters, and destroyed tanks (including 2 Baneblades) everywhere. City scapes. Rolling hills. Defensive actions, supply depots - you name it, I've done it.
But I can't do any of that with a board that always has the hills in the same spot, that always has a pit of skulls in the same spot. I need to be able to justify things in the fluff for my boards - I want there to be a reason for the terrain to be there, not just random - and I don't want to have to justify a skull-pit in every game.
Now I'm sure the board itself, as a product, has its uses for some people. I don't feel its necessary, as at a cool AUD$400 I could buy a cheap piece of MDF (like I have) and spend the remaining $300+ on an order to Maelstrom and get loads of CoD stuff and extra terrain. And I'd have a better table for it that wouldn't always have the same pits, the same hills, and an uneven surface which is bad for dice rolling (I like perfectly flat non-scenic surfaces).
As I said, this is personal preference, so I'm no more 'right' than I am 'wrong', I just hate the RoB board because it limits what you can do with a game from both a practical and a narrative perspective (in my opinion) and is insanely overpriced even by GW standards.
Ozymandias wrote:Crap! Here I am trying to save money to buy a house and GW releases more terrain (and I'm with HBMC in that the single best thing GW does is terrain)!
I just bought an apartment, so I can't buy these yet either. No fair GW!
The really cool one though was this 8X4 industrial complex. The whole board was the industrial complex, with ramps and buildings and bridges and all sorts of things. Again, I don't think playing on it would have been the most practical thing in the world, but it did look cool.
[EDIT]: Oh, wait, you mean the boards I've made? No, not really. Only a few from our massive 3 day weekend Apoc game from the start of '07 (they're in my gallery, but they mostly show models, not terrain). And I use the word 'board' loosely. It's always the same table, or one of the two tables I have, just I try to use the terrain I own in the best way possible.
With the planetary empire kit also coming the month after (hopefuly) that we will really have a lovely galatic war. Dibs on tau and imperial guard!!
Seriously, that dark angel fortress IS totally brillant. Imanage some of the crazy addons people will make with it? perhaps a much larger version with 4 of the dark angel fortress kits comprising as the walls?
Landing pad is sexy. Gunna have to get me one of those with my vendetta for some dropship action! Shame about the no plastic stormtroops.. but really, if your've seen the new IG codex they are utterly gak for their price. Shame too, because if they were a effective unit i would had gotten cadian variants with a valk.
Personaly, i would KILL to see some xeno loving a little here. Too much imperial stuff already >.>
I will be getting a ROB board soon, I need something compact and also easy to set up since I live in a condo and even though it's pricey it seems like the best option for me. But I'd love to know more about those sets that say they come with a game board. I emailed GW and asked they said they have no info on it yet :( I'm guessing it's just a ROB + new buildings in a package deal.. but no way to know for sure so I dunno if I should get the ROB now or just wait...
yeah,
The problem with waiting is that the price rise may push the ROBB price up even higher...
Would be nice to have contents and price details on these packages up front, before the hike.
is there any way of knowing exactly what products are going up? or is it just going to be everything across the board? if the ROB goes up like $20 I won't care but if it's around $100+ then I'll have to get it now, not gonna buy it if it goes up that much. But I'm more wondering if it's just gonna be the regular ROB board in those kits, or if it's a new one.. or new tiles.. or something like that..?
I had my hopes up for a Thunderhawk and Stormtroopers coming out soonish. Oh well that's been shot down now.
The Shrine of the Aquila is interesting - this really is wishlisting but could it be that huge cathedral seen in the Apocalypse (being defended by the BA) and Planetstrike book (pics somewhere on warseer)?
FieronThor wrote:I had my hopes up for a Thunderhawk and Stormtroopers coming out soonish. Oh well that's been shot down now.
The Shrine of the Aquila is interesting - this really is wishlisting but could it be that huge cathedral seen in the Apocalypse (being defended by the BA) and Planetstrike book (pics somewhere on warseer)?
I hear you on that.
I was waiting for Stormtroopers like nothing else. Them and Valkyries were all I was going to nab with birthday cash in July, but nooooo...
They won't even be out
Necros wrote:is there any way of knowing exactly what products are going up? or is it just going to be everything across the board? if the ROB goes up like $20 I won't care but if it's around $100+ then I'll have to get it now, not gonna buy it if it goes up that much. But I'm more wondering if it's just gonna be the regular ROB board in those kits, or if it's a new one.. or new tiles.. or something like that..?
I may have pricing info tomorrow Tim. If the ROB goes up, I'll PM you about it.
I had planned to save up some money this summer. Now it looks like that simply will not happen. Planet strike and all of those new terrain pieces look amazing!
Looking at the advance orders at the GW site I was reading about that skyshield landing pad, in the description...
GW website wrote:The Skyshield landing pad used by the Imperial Navy, though originally purpose-built to accommodate Valkyrie and Vendetta gunships, is robust enough to serve even the Thunderhawks of the Adeptus Astartes, and has field generators that protect the craft and its crew from incoming fire.
I don't remember GW ever talking about the Thunderhawk in their sales material, like item descriptions. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and am just hopeful, but does it seem odd to anyone else that they went out of their way to specifically mention the Thawk?
This is the stuff. It looks like the scenery for WFB. A castle and a couple of fancy houses.
In this case, though, you get a trenchline, a small fort, and some other s.... stuff.
I have an Armorcast trenchline, massive amounts of scenery, and plenty of this stuff to go around.
Along with the price increase, I'm looking more at Dark Herasy, or I munda then just buying overexpensive stuff just to keep up with the Jones's
I make stuff like this all the time. Just because GW thinks its clever to put it out in plastic doens't invalidate massive amounts of styro sheets, cardboard, and bits.
Remember, terraign is part of the game. You and your club can kitbash a few boxes of scenery out of scrap and bits more then just caving in and blowing massive amounts of cash on overpriced gak.
Two or three tools here have bought the battleboard. I'll still be laughing at them when I pull out my 4X4 painted and based boards, my scenery, and my own build stuff then playing on thier nonpainted half built gak, any day of the week.
Where are the rules people are going to really be interested in now, the skirmish and small unit tactical game?
Hey GW, you overpriced yourself and are cutting your own throats. Keep it up!!!
I love building my own terrain, but there are plenty of people that have no interest in that aspect of the hobby. I would rather see this stuff at a game than those guys who show up with a couple pieces of Styrofoam from their new computer and are calling it a bunker.
I love bulding terrain, be it stuff I make myself (made a city for an 8X6 table in the space of a weekend once - that was fun!) but I also love GW's terrain (Realm of Battle Board being the exception - that thing is so stupidly overpriced it's not funny).
I'll be getting all of this stuff except the stupidly priced Chaos Bastion and maybe Landing Pad (have to see it in the flesh).
jabbakahut wrote:Looking at the advance orders at the GW site I was reading about that skyshield landing pad, in the description...
GW website wrote:The Skyshield landing pad used by the Imperial Navy, though originally purpose-built to accommodate Valkyrie and Vendetta gunships, is robust enough to serve even the Thunderhawks of the Adeptus Astartes, and has field generators that protect the craft and its crew from incoming fire.
I don't remember GW ever talking about the Thunderhawk in their sales material, like item descriptions. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and am just hopeful, but does it seem odd to anyone else that they went out of their way to specifically mention the Thawk?
It could be them hinting at things for a distant future release.
Grot 6 wrote:Two or three tools here have bought the battleboard. I'll still be laughing at them when I pull out my 4X4 painted and based boards, my scenery, and my own build stuff then playing on thier nonpainted half built gak, any day of the week.
So nice to be called a tool.
My RoB was painted within a day of receiving it, and I will not play with an army that is not painted.
I really hate Elitist douchebags who think that anything less then 100% converted golden daemon quality isn't worth there time.
I'll respect your time and effort put into building your own table and board, but that doesn't make you better then anyone else.
yeah...
I Can't wait for the day when HBMC buys 3 or 4 RoBBs and changes his Tune... It'll happen...
Until then I expect we will have to put up with him having a pop at everyone who defends it.
Grot 6 wrote:...Two or three tools here have bought the battleboard...
yeah,
We bought the Easiest way to have Awesome Variable GamesTables. So we're Tools?
Grot 6 wrote:I'll still be laughing at them when I pull out my 4X4 painted and based boards, my scenery, and my own build stuff...
You'll be laughing at me with your 4x4 boards?
The normal size to play 40k is on 6'x4' board... Have you properly thought out your Gaming tables Size/Ratio?
2x2 is probabily the best size for Tiles... for flexibility.
Grot 6 wrote:...on thier nonpainted...
My Realm of battle Board was painted flocked and gamed on within a week of it's launch.
Grot 6 wrote:... half built gak...
You don't glue the tiles together, you Tool...
If your problem is with the Price? That's fair enough.
Not everyone wants to / or can afford to pay a premium for the good stuff, but that doesn't justify attacking your fellow gamers.
Although I'd recommend (impulse)buying / saving for it, It's worth the effort.
When Planet Strike Arrives I'll buy all that Awesome Terrain too (x2). I guess I'm Just a happy Tool who doesn't want to do more work than is necessary.
Panic wrote:yeah...
I Can't wait for the day when HBMC buys 3 or 4 RoBBs and changes his Tune... It'll happen...
Until then I expect we will have to put up with him having a pop at everyone who defends it.
No, it won't. And didn't have a 'pop' at anyone. Grot6 did.
Grot 6 wrote:I'll still be laughing at them when I pull out my 4X4 painted and based boards, my scenery, and my own build stuff...
You'll be laughing at me with your 4x4 boards?
The normal size to play 40k is on 6'x4' board... Have you properly thought out your Gaming tables Size/Ratio?
2x2 is probabily the best size for Tiles... for flexibility.
In the "early days" of Warhammer Games Workshop really pushed 8'X4' tables as the gold standard everyone should try to play on, but their marketing for the past several years has gotten more realistic. If you want to increase the size of the customer base for these games (and GW obviously does), you have to be more realistic about how much room most people have available at home and how large most standard existing tables are that are already in people's homes. A huge preponderance of dining room tables are 3'X6' or at best, 4'X6'. If you look at the 4th and 5th edition rule book and all the supporting material that mentions table sizes, they generally push tables that are 6 feet long these days. Of course, that doesn't stop us "old-timers" from still seeking 4'X8' since we've already been brainwashed to "need" that size, but these days 6-foot tables are generally the standard suggested by GW.
Now, regarding the Planetstrike scenery, I think the stuff looks fun and flexible. I'm waiting to see what the price will be on the "bundle deal" Strongpoint box that contains 2 Bastions and (it appears) 3 Defence Lines. If there's a good price break on that over buying what's in it separately, I'd definitely go for the big box.
Page 88 of the rule book. wrote:
The Gaming Surface
standard games are designed to be played on a 6'x4' gaming surface...
But from what I can tell you americans have large basements and prefer to up the size of games( & well pretty much everything esle too!).
Panic...
Yes, we certainly do like to Super Size things here...
BrassScorpion wrote:
I though 4x8 was the standard table size?
In the "early days" of Warhammer Games Workshop really pushed 8'X4' tables as the gold standard everyone should try to play on, but their marketing for the past several years has gotten more realistic. If you want to increase the size of the customer base for these games (and GW obviously does), you have to be more realistic about how much room most people have available at home and how large most standard existing tables are that are already in people's homes. A huge preponderance of dining room tables are 3'X6' or at best, 4'X6'. If you look at the 4th and 5th edition rule book and all the supporting material that mentions table sizes, they generally push tables that are 6 feet long these days. Of course, that doesn't stop us "old-timers" from still seeking 4'X8' since we've already been brainwashed to "need" that size, but these days 6-foot tables are generally the standard suggested by GW.
Well, you two have definitely made me show my 'gaming age'!
I have two tables, a 8X4 and a 6X5. Works pretty well for us. We usually use the 8X4 as a 6X4 and the extra 4X2 is used to storing models, casualties, dice, drinks, etc.
Well, you two have definitely made me show my 'gaming age'!
And you're right, I do feel that I need the 4x8!
And no, I don't paint my base edges green.
Anymore...
Believe me, you are not alone. My homemade battleboards give me a 4'X8' table, which I felt I had to have due to my brainwashing in the Rogue Trader and 2nd Edtion years.
As for painting base edges green, I recently repainted a lot of my bases for my multi-army display at Baltimore Games Day. I had some units that still looked good that I wanted to display, but the entire base was done green, top and edges, in the style that was so popular 10 years and more ago. Giving them a more modern and more scenic look really improved their overall look. Funny though, even years ago I occasionally painted some of my base edges a light or medium brown color. Back then it was "heresy" to GW and if you wanted to compete in Golden Demon the edges better have been Goblin Green "or else". Hilarious. I guess I was a pioneer at the time for occasionally "violating" the Goblin Green base edges rule with brown.
By the way, problems with Advance Ordering the Aegis Defence Line on the GW US website were fixed as of yesterday. For several days if you tried to order that item it said "no longer available" in the shopping cart screen. A friend of mine tried to order it for days and couldn't because of this glitch. The problem has since been corrected.
I usually prefer a 4x6 but it just depends on how big the game is. I usually am fine with 2000 pts on a 4x6, but I haven't tried my updated man-heavy guard army on that yet.. and it'll be a while till I get all the stuff done anyway. But usually we play 2000 pts and a 4x8 just seems too "open".
H.B.M.C. wrote:I have two tables, a 8X4 and a 6X5. Works pretty well for us. We usually use the 8X4 as a 6X4 and the extra 4X2 is used to storing models, casualties, dice, drinks, etc.
yeah,
A extra 2' of table for your dead and your beer sounds awesome.
The game board should be sized according to the point limit like you shouldn't be playing apocalypse 10000 points on 6X4 espicially against horde armies. I find it difficult to place my 100 ork boyz in a 12 inches by 4' area with terrain and tanks.
And the 'Battleforce' style terrain box appears to have 5 gun turrets - the two from the Bastions and then three from three sets of barricades? That seems like a lot - not that I'm complaining.
reds8n wrote:@ Mr. rodfarrugia : I doubt it-- the new box set uses the revised Planetstrike force org chart I believe.
And it falls far short of 142 models.
H.B.M.C. wrote:And what's that small tower/generator thingy?
And the 'Battleforce' style terrain box appears to have 5 gun turrets - the two from the Bastions and then three from three sets of barricades? That seems like a lot - not that I'm complaining.
The small generator thingy is an antenna array which is used to represent a Comms Relay which has rules applicable to Planetstrike.
The Imperial Strongpoint box does indeed contian 2 Bastions and 3 Defence Lines. It's Battleforce price AU$150, UK£55 and don't have a US$ price yet - it's marked as TBC - but, y'know Battleforcey type price.
I'm guessing that the relays also come with the Bastions, I read that somewhere I think. They could come in handy as conversion fodder for command vehicles.
Hmmm, it's a strongpoint for me, the landing pad is really nice and all, but really big, so I might get into trouble for bringing along another huge model that is hard to store properly.
BrookM wrote:I'm guessing that the relays also come with the Bastions, I read that somewhere I think. They could come in handy as conversion fodder for command vehicles.
The picture of the antenna array that reds8n posted is part of the Imperial Bastion kit promo sheet. Comms Relays are also features of Bastions rulewise in Planetstrike... if memory serves, you can have either an Icarus Lascannon (Interceptor Gun) or an antenna array (Comms Relay) atop your Bastion.
Hm, I thought up one plausible use for all the plastic terrain: a baby Leviathan command vehicle on the Bandeblade chassis. I suspect that Bastion thing could be pressed into service for such a construction.
I wonder if this be the minefield/similar marker, the other ones are all tied into some of the stratagems in various ways.
Several months ago I was informed that there would be a special set of new crater markers for Planetstrike that would be a limited availability splash release like the bombs, mines and booby traps set currently for sale in GW online Advance Order. Assuming scenery pieces like the one shown above are part of that splash release, they will have a direct role of some sort in game play.
I know the long thin trench one is something to do with a laser cutting beam ( from orbit I think 0 that inflicts something daft like a S10 AP1 hit on every model in an X inch long path. Another one is asteroids/meteorites and so on.
Oh, the Siacarius spearhead is £612 AFAIK...working on getting exact details, but it is pretty much like we thought/heard : 6 tac squads, 4 termie squads, few assault squads, couple of dreads etc etc.
With enough new terrain you could build a new home and have the first all in one home/gaming "table".
There's a couple of other terrain bundles-- all the new stuff plus a placcy table board, slightly smaller set etc etc. The Imperial stronghold set-- which is the bigger box we saw at GD Spain-- 2 bastions and.. 3 ..?.. Aegis defense lines) was £56 if memory serves and looked great value.
EDIT : yup, that's what I heard.
..Upon reflection I think this is the 2nd time I've suggested to a dakka member about simply building their house out of GW terrain.
I've got enough left over CoD tiles to make a couple of walls... maybe a small hutch?
But about that picture, and aside from the fact that it seems the Spanish are fething terrible at photography (look at all the pics we've had - small, odd angles, showing off very little), those craters above look pretty involved. By that I mean they're not the vacu-form craters we have right now. Is that a single piece, several pieces together photographed at a terrible angle? Pre-painted? One big huge box? Multi-piece?
All the new blastscape things are much more complicated. Think they are all 1 piece..suspect the "dead" rhino is a separate piece. It's in the guard codex I think, used as a terrain piece in one of the colour pics....with Creed in it perhaps ?
The trees I am intrigued about, I reckon those ones might be modelled on for affect or will be plug in like the ones in the woods that GW do.
Different sizes/shapes ( slightly) and some of these have bits of wreckage and things like lava or meteorites in them.
I assume they will come unpainted, like the others. I gather these are very much a splash "once they're gone they're gone " release.
Sicarius' spearhead is : Him, 1 command squad, 6 tactical squads, 4 "full" assault squads, 1 vanguard squad ( is that 5 or 10 men ? ), 4 terminator squads ( again not sure if this is 5 or 10), 2 dreads and 9 drop pods.
reds8n wrote:Different sizes/shapes ( slightly) and some of these have bits of wreckage and things like lava or meteorites in them.
I assume they will come unpainted, like the others. I gather these are very much a splash "once they're gone they're gone " release.
Sicarius' spearhead is : Him, 1 command squad, 6 tactical squads, 4 "full" assault squads, 1 vanguard squad ( is that 5 or 10 men ? ), 4 terminator squads ( again not sure if this is 5 or 10), 2 dreads and 9 drop pods.
reds8n wrote:Assault marines are in boxes of 5 aren't they ! So that's another $50 or so yes ?
That in conjunction with your cunning use of addition earlier would explain perhaps why I was told "full" assault squads.
yeah I went and reworked them. I add the assault quads and the vanguard wrong, so you do have a savings of about $120 now It would be a good box for someone that wanted a a very large army from the get go!
rodfarruguia wrote:that is not a savings , just spending less ....you would still be 900 in the hole. a new ps3 plus games would be more fun.
yeah, that is a savings. and yes you could buy a ps3 and games for 900 but guess what you are still 900 in the hole as you would say. this time you wouldnt have 142 models!
If you enjoy this game and want one big buy it now army, then there you go! and maybe you can find one of the online retailers that will take 20% off for you.
reds8n wrote:There's a couple of other terrain bundles-- all the new stuff plus a placcy table board, slightly smaller set etc etc. The Imperial stronghold set-- which is the bigger box we saw at GD Spain-- 2 bastions and.. 3 ..?.. Aegis defense lines) was £56 if memory serves and looked great value.
reds8n wrote: Blastscape craters are vac formed plastic, in @ or around the £12 mark.
Yes, the Blastscape Craters are vacuformed plastic like the current Moonscape craters, but that Rhino piece is different, being moulded plastic like the Temple of Skulls and is from the separate Battlescape product.
inzeos wrote:Are those price figures for the big army deal coming via speculation or have people seen a US market SKU and price released?
The only info in the GW product list(s) is the 142 models content. No firm price or breakdown has been officially announced by GW yet. The info that has been going around the place has been insider rumours, but there's something about the price that doesn't seem right.
I enjoy the game but I bought enough ultras to have multiple companies. 144 is a lot of painting when i could be playing that new space marine game coming out. Honestly GW should cater to the other armys more.... My wallet can't keep up, a girlfriend is sounding less expensive.
... the step by step instructions as to what goes where.....
ummm.... perhaps you're right.
There's another sneaked in use of some of the shrine parts in the pic included, thanks to Mr.Psyberwolf for the spot and work.
The shrine kit has just one of the eagle walls, and then a couple of other walls with the massive gothic walls. 1 kit gives you the standard L shape ruin thingy.
Hmm... I like it, kind of. I have always wanted to build a nice ruined Imperial Church building, but I'm not sure two walls is worth $30, no matter HOW big they are.
Those are pretty tall though. And the windows look nice. But $30 nice? Not sure.
And why are those lights on the outside of the shrine? Those look like interior lights.
Its up to the modeler to make it overwhelming. A simple wall on the ground on its own isn't cool. A fully modeled cathedral complete with battlements, defensive lines, forge world trenches, turret emplacements, razorwire, minefields, bunkers, and some of those bastion things will be awesome.
What's the Marine doing up top there? How did he get there? How is he going to get down? Is he attempting to commit suicide and the Sergeant is talking him down?
"Brother Parthos! Don't do it! Life is worth living... in service of the Emperor."
"But no one understands me Brother-Sergeant Dennifus. The Scouts sir, they make fun of me. The Scouts."
"They are but young Brother, heed not their words! They will soon learn the value of all the Emperor's servants."
"And the Terminators! They mock me and keep stealing my grieves. How can I go to war without grieves!!!"
"The Emperor is your shield Brother - with him you need no armour!"
"No! I don't believe you. I'm going to jump."
"Noooo!!!!!!"
"HURR!"
*thud*
Yeah, but you don't count. When i have an Apocalypse game, I want it to be... Apocalyptic. Still making more city buildings for that part of it though. When I'm done even the largest Titans will look right at home.
GW added links for a bunch of stuff to the 40K Advance Order page today, so you can actually order these items now, well most of them:
Ironclad Dreadnought (they forgot to post a price on this, so you'll have to wait till they fix it to order it)
Landspeeder Strom (same problem as Ironclad)
Imperial Strongpoint ($90, saves you $28.75 over buying what's in it separately; hooray!)
Imperial Outpost (scenery bundle with Realm Of Battle Board)
Defence Network (scenery bundle with Realm Of Battle Board)
K. Khan (GW Direct Only!)
Forgefather Vulkan H.
Shrine of the Aquila
Blastscape (splash release, get it while it lasts)
BrassScorpion wrote:Ironclad Dreadnought (they forgot to post a price on this, so you'll have to wait till they fix it to order it)
Landspeeder Strom (same problem as Ironclad)
Imperial Strongpoint ($90, saves you $28.75 over buying what's in it separately; hooray!)
Imperial Outpost (scenery bundle with Realm Of Battle Board)
Defence Network (scenery bundle with Realm Of Battle Board)
K. Khan (GW Direct Only!)
Forgefather Vulkan H.
Shrine of the Aquila
Blastscape (splash release, get it while it lasts)
Vulkan is also Direct Only.
And just to re-iterate BrassScorpion's comment, get the Blastscape early if you want it as it is a limited run Splash Release and only available while stocks last. Also, if you're thinking about buying the Imperial Strongpoint from indie stores, grab it sooner rather than later as it will shift to Direct Only in September.
Whilst I was a fan of the Cities of Death stuff, the planetstrike stuff really doesn't turn me on. In fact it turns me off so much it's like thinking about Pauline Hanson.
I bet i could knock up a respectable 'Aegis Defense Network' in a day with some cardboard and foamcore.
I've written a tutorial on how to make your own "Realm of Battle" board in the Tutorial section (go vote for me!). I made mine for $90 Australian (so 20% of the price of GW's board) and it has 8 tiles (so 33% more gaming space). But, you're allowed to spend your money where you want. .
You know, the last time an EOD said that to me, I then got to spend hours trying to wash the guy out of my hair when he was proved wrong...
Remember, kids, explosives are bad. If you see an anti-tank mine, don't bring it home.
Also... depends on what the guy drives... An '09 Toyota trips that and it's probably done. A '46 Roadmaster and you're just not gonna see the same level of damage.
holy crap, I just saw the marketing brief at my local GW. £612 for the Spearhead box set. Its effectively the 2nd company of Ultramarines. Its HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
MunkeyKungFu wrote:holy crap, I just saw the marketing brief at my local GW. £612 for the Spearhead box set. Its effectively the 2nd company of Ultramarines. Its HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
yeah, all that was already posted on the previous page.
By the way, the Chaos Icons Bitz Packs and Pack of Skulls Bitz Pack were addeed to the GW Online store just the other day. Didn't seem like they needed their own topic thread, so I've added the info here. This includes the following.
Five different Chaos Icons Bitz Packs, 10 icons for $8.25 US:
- Chaos Icons
- Khorne Chaos Icons
- Nurgle Chaos Icons
- Slaanesh Chaos Icons
- Tzeentch Chaos Icons
Plus the Pack of Skulls for $11.50, containing 32 individual skulls, 2 small skull piles and 1 large skull pile.
I've been wishing for these items to be available for years given the large number of Chaos conversions I do every year. These packs should also be helpful to modelers in turning their Planetstrike and other GW scenery into Chaos themed scenery.
Wehrkind wrote:Yay! Box of skulls!
When are they going to do the "Bag of Boobs" for Slaaneshi players?
I'm going to have to second that request, The thought of finally making my chapter Mammary Marines is too good to be true.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hrm, the Dutch Euro prices aren't that bad. The Strongpoint boxed set would get my a Bastion for free. And it's €15 less than battalion boxed sets.
Spear of Sicarius
This one of the BIG releases coming the pipe July 9th with Planetstrike. It is the full assault force used by Ultramarines Captain Sicarius as described in a famous battle in the planetstrike book. You get:
Sicarius
Command Squad
Vanguard Squad
2x Standard Dreadnoughts
4x Ten-Man Assault Squads
4x Five-Man Terminator Squads (Normal not Assault)
6x Tactical Squads
9x Drop Pods
142-models
Price: $1066 USD
which just knocked the savings down to only a measly $55 now! that is rediculus!
edit: actually it appears there is a command squad in there, which werent in the actual calculations, and I did the drop pods wrong, so it apears that there is $0 savings on this one!
dashrendar wrote:actually it appears there is a command squad in there, which werent in the actual calculations, and I did the drop pods wrong, so it apears that there is $0 savings on this one!
Sounds like GW...
We'll give you a deal!
Honest it's a steal!
But don't use math and get mad
when you find out you've been had!
If you're looking to increase Space Marine army sizes while buying quantity, some stores still have Space Marine Strike Force boxes sitting on their shelves and that set is a great bundle deal as is the regular Space Marine Battleforce. When the Strike Force set was released at $240 US, it contained $315 retail in product. Now that the price on at least one item in the box has gone up, that is the Land Raider, if you can still find a Strike Force set it is an even better deal.
As for Planetstrike specific bundles, the winner so far is the Imperial Strongpoint. It contains $118.75 in product for $90 US. Not a bad price break on the nice new plastic scenery.
By the way, the Flying Stand from the Valkyrie kit is now available by itself for $10 US.
dashrendar wrote:actually it appears there is a command squad in there, which werent in the actual calculations, and I did the drop pods wrong, so it apears that there is $0 savings on this one!
Sounds like GW...
We'll give you a deal!
Honest it's a steal!
But don't use math and get mad
when you find out you've been had!
most boxes are no savings
like when they did the spearheads for new armies like the space marine one or the chaos warrior they have no savings its just so you get all the new models and codex sooner
but thats why they stopped them after the space marine one no one bought them
(for those who can't read sarcasm)
my life.
uuhhh, Burn 
So that's another $50 or so yes ?
