(Plant tongue firmly in cheek and begin...)

Having just read through some of the comments that came out of GD Spain in the news section, it seems GW are finally leaving behind even the pretense that anything that isn't a Spase Marien deserves no support.

No Dark Eldar, Inquisition, Chaos (Legions or LatD) and Tau for the forseeable future.

Nids and Necrons to get updates but only when they can be fitted in between 4 new marine dexes.

So is it about time that GW should just grow a pair and say 'feth you gamers'?

Doing a 'Squat' on Dark Eldar and Inquisition would end the interminable rumours and dashed hopes and free up shelf space and factory resources.

Remember, in the grim darkness of the far future there is only SPASE MARIENZ!!!

/s

Yet another reason why I am starting to buy privateer press stuff,lol.

But really I was very sad when I heard this as well,I really,really fething dislike the marines.I think if they did grow a pair it would be better as they can crush my hopes forever not just every two months or so.

My only comfort would be if Jarvis wrote one on the codexs'lol.

I hope you die for this thread.

But other than that, YEAH I AGREE! SPESS MAHREENZ!!!

Well maybe the Dark Eldar are now getting to be like a blind,old sheep dog.Maybe GW should just take em out back and blow them away with a shotgun.(but I will then blow GW away with a mini gun.)

If this does happen then I wonder how GW will kill them off.

GW can carry on as now, simply not issuing any new codex or models for DE.

Eventually even the hardcore will stop playing them.

I think that, if anything, Dark Eldar would get folded into the normal Eldar list in some fashion during its next update. While it's not the fluffiest, they might just convert DE into "corsair" style Eldar, so they'll at least be reasonable to see alongside other Eldar forces.

As it stands it's almost possible to field a decently representative DE force using the Eldar codex.

They probably should 'squat' the DE and do something different. They need a major overhaul both rules-wise and fluff-wise to be worthwhile so why not do something entirely new?

The problem with GW is they didn't know what they wanted to be. Hence, the massive Codex expansion in 3E, followed by the "oh, crap" revelation in 4E.

It seems like GW has a clue now, so maybe things will be better.

If DE get squatted, that wouldn't be the worst thing, provided those development resources went somewhere (anywhere) besides more Space Marines: LatD / AdMech / Nids / Necrons, I don't care.

The problem with Gw is that each of us, everyone thinks we could do it better, and given the typical comment, I'd disagree with that assessment. Not only could most of us do no better, but I'd venture to say we'd, most of us, do a an even worse job..

That's the problem as I see it.. Too many knucklehead, tongue waggers with no clue trying to tell someone else what to do..

That's like that 16 year old who walks up to a professional basketball player (like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Labron James, Dwight Howard, and telling them, you know what, if you did this like this, you'd be a better player.. perhaps they just might be right, but either of those 4 are doing well enough without the input..)

two_heads_talking wrote:The problem with Gw is that each of us, everyone thinks we could do it better, and given the typical comment, I'd disagree with that assessment. Not only could most of us do no better, but I'd venture to say we'd, most of us, do a an even worse job..

That's the problem as I see it.. Too many knucklehead, tongue waggers with no clue trying to tell someone else what to do..

That's like that 16 year old who walks up to a professional basketball player (like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Labron James, Dwight Howard, and telling them, you know what, if you did this like this, you'd be a better player.. perhaps they just might be right, but either of those 4 are doing well enough without the input..)

Alright, let me crank up the Mock Engine here to about Level 8...

Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy? How many one trick ponies are dying out because of poor management? And GW is that: A one-trick pony. It makes minitures creates rules to play games with those miniatures. It is all they do. You have to at least diversify a product line to keep it interesting to others. I find Space Marines quite boring myself, and so do many other players, otherwise there wouldn't be other armies and codexes.

If you can only do one thing, stagnating yourself, that is bad business. Especially when you still have loyal fans paying money for the smaller portion of the other products you create, and ask you to make more of them, instead of dominating their own market with one object.

It would be no different than a car company only making one car, with a group of options. However, only one of those option packages (the most generic) is generally available. You can get the rest, but they are produced in nearly the same numbers and he quality is noticably lower. The other option packages are hard to find, more heavily sought after by a larger customer base, but the company does nothing. It is called digging your own grave.

Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy?

If you are going to harp about economic sense then that in itself gives you the reason why DE won't come out anytime soon. I might not like it, but Space Marines sell. Maybe you find them boring, maybe I do too. But more people play them than any other race. And new players are more likely to play the game cause of them than anybody else.

Anyways if you guys read the articles they give the impression that every army will be getting a new codex (they must be pretty happy with 5th rules). Codexes will be arriving based on when the new plastic minis for said army can be finished. Armies that require less will as such come out sooner (thus SW is next, and other SM chapters will quickly follow).

Honestly think about. When DE, Inq etc get redone they'll be coming with a lot of minis. It doesn't take much time to update a SM codex, since it is fundamentally based off an already updated general codex and additionally there's no heavy amount of metal to plastic conversion necessary.

For the record I play WH. Just accept it for what it is, as much fun as it'd be to be the center of attention I like playing 40k as is. Even with my old school codex with over priced transports.

I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

To go back to the OP, I don't think they'll drop an army. Why bother? Just limiting yourself. Maybe they will minimize production on an army that sells slow but at this point I don't see them cutting one out.

morgendonner wrote:Honestly think about. When DE, Inq etc get redone they'll be coming with a lot of minis. It doesn't take much time to update a SM codex, since it is fundamentally based off an already updated general codex and additionally there's no heavy amount of metal to plastic conversion necessary.

That does not compute. Every single Space Marine codex release is accompanied by a large model release, larger than any other book.

Like squats the DE would be a nice meal for nids... I would squat them and lotr... then work closer with FW to produce a more competent release shedule to optimise some gaps in the range asap... Imagine the necron released with new plastics and then some nice resins for alternate themed necro armies from FW chaps...but I suck at basketball

The saved money on squating some things could be invested in investors pockects... just to give some slack to designers about SM.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

have you seen tauonline, the cadre, advanced tau tactica, etc? tau are LOVED.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

morgendonner wrote:Honestly think about. When DE, Inq etc get redone they'll be coming with a lot of minis. It doesn't take much time to update a SM codex, since it is fundamentally based off an already updated general codex and additionally there's no heavy amount of metal to plastic conversion necessary.

That does not compute. Every single Space Marine codex release is accompanied by a large model release, larger than any other book.

Ermmm... no it isn't. Dark Angels featured plastic Sprues, plus a plastic box and a metal blister. Plus a selection of "What can we throw the DA sprue into" boxes. Codex Space Marines came with 4 Plastic Boxes plus 3 Metal Boxes and 4 Metal Blisters. Orks got 4 Plastic Boxes, 3 Metal Boxes and 3 Blisters (4 including the Direct Standard Bearer.) Similarly, the Guard got 4 Plastic Boxes and 5 Blisters. (Intriguingly no metal boxes - perhaps GW are seeking to remove them, as I haven't seen any on the product list for the future.) Now, if we throw in second wave releases - both Guard and Orks have had more support over the last 18 Months than Marines. And current predictions for DE and Nids suggest this isn't changing, especially with Space Hulk now strongly rumoured.

lord marcus wrote:have you seen tauonline, the cadre, advanced tau tactica, etc? tau are LOVED.

I'm pretty sure that's just, like, the same four people.

they need to dump the dark eldar and demonhunter codex. They are just too long in the tooth. after the space wolves come out just say use them if you want just not in tourney play.

Mattlov wrote:

Alright, let me crank up the Mock Engine here to about Level 8....

roger that. MOck level 9 seatbelts engaged and mock level 10 helmet with restraint system engaged.. Fire away Sir...

Mattlov wrote:Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy? How many one trick ponies are dying out because of poor management? And GW is that: A one-trick pony. It makes minitures creates rules to play games with those miniatures. It is all they do. You have to at least diversify a product line to keep it interesting to others. I find Space Marines quite boring myself, and so do many other players, otherwise there wouldn't be other armies and codexes..

so, what you are telling me here is that if Gw stopped making space marines, (something that is over 65% of their base product sales) just becasuse you and many others don't like space marines, they'd make more money? How many is "many" can you quantify that because currently I'd say you are the percentage that falls into the 35% purchasers percentage..

Mattlov wrote:

If you can only do one thing, stagnating yourself, that is bad business. Especially when you still have loyal fans paying money for the smaller portion of the other products you create, and ask you to make more of them, instead of dominating their own market with one object...

Hmm, last time I checked Gw had 3 game systems with 13 armies in one, 15 armies in another and Lord knows how many armies LOTR has.. that isn't diversifying enough for you? sure you can keep your head in the sand and say.. it's all spaz marinez HURR and throw your hands up in the air, but lets call a spade a spade and not try to throw strawmen up here ok..

Mattlov wrote:It would be no different than a car company only making one car, with a group of options. However, only one of those option packages (the most generic) is generally available. You can get the rest, but they are produced in nearly the same numbers and he quality is noticably lower. The other option packages are hard to find, more heavily sought after by a larger customer base, but the company does nothing. It is called digging your own grave.

Again, it's not one game system or one army.. we have let's say 36 different options (to be on the safe side, lets say 30).. YOU tell me, since you seem to be the one with all the answers.. How do you update all that in one year? two years? three years? etc. etc.. currently you've not convinced of anything except that you have reinforced my original opinion..

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

Makes sense.

Personally I think they should drop Orks. They don't sell as well as Space Marines do and the whole humor thing in 40k doesn't really fit in.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

From what I heard all races are going to go in favour of marines. Background ideas have been sketched up where the Imperium fractures and dies, leaving only space marines, who know fight amongst one another for the Golden Throne.

It'll be great! They can call the new game "Space Marine!"


Oh wait...

its because the marines are there most profitable army.
they focus on there best army( which isnt bad in itself ) but when they neglect there other awesome armys it kills the game.
they need a bailout from obama so they can be forced to restructure.

Only GW is a British company.. Maybe if Jervis becomes a PM!

i knew that i just said that cause hes the one giving them out willy nilly

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

Why replace it with WotR when they've already replaced it with 40k?

Does WotR still actually sell better than WFB? I though the LotR "bubble" had already popped?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

Ermmm fantasy battle still sells quite well, you just dont see many of the kiddies in store playing it.

Based on how hard GW is pushing WotR compared to WFB, along with people getting into WotR, I'd imagine that WotR sells better, even after the bubble.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

It's because the Tau are not well-liked that they need to stay in the game!

Infinite Grimdarkness(tm) - light relief == Booooooooooooooring.

Shakespeare knew that.

Mattlov wrote:Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy? How many one trick ponies are dying out because of poor management? And GW is that: A one-trick pony.

Yeah. Ok. Let's see, 25+ years, hundreds of brick and mortar stores. Worldwide distribution.

40k
Warhammer Fantasy Battles
War of the Ring/Lord of the Rings
Epic
Gothic
Necromunda
Mordheim
Bloodbowl
Space Hulk (soon to be re-released)
Warmaster

Warhammer Ancients, home to such games as Legends of the High Seas, Legends of the Old West, The Great War, etc.

Forgeworld...

Yeah, that's a hell of a one-trick pony. Unlike companies like Rackham. Oh wait...

Back OT. As a Dark Eldar player (and a player from 2nd ed), I think they need some serious conceptual work. At the same time I'd be fine if they squatted them, as long as there was some way for me to field them, and they did something interesting with the armies. Right now I'm pretty bored stiff with the whole thing.

And with regards to Space Marines all the time, I think GW would have an absolute gold mine if they did pre-heresy through to heresy kits, and rules. While everyone complains about all the marines, if they made a game about marines fighting marines, people would buy the heck out of it. Especially if they made cool pre-heresy kits for all the marine legions. And people would buy those same kits to kit-bash their 40k armies too... you watch... some day...

I'd be fine if they pulled a 'squat' on DE. I mean Eldar breed super slow and the DE are already on the run from Slaanesh like 24/7 right? It's safe to say at some point there aren't enough DE out there to pull together fighting forces, then there aren't enough DE to provide significant genetic diversity, then there just aren't enough DE around to hold back from being consumed by Slaanesh. Oh well, they had a good run right?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Typeline wrote:

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Unless you have a portable black hole?

Yep. Absolutely. They need to get down to about 1/2 dozen core armies that they can regularly get releases and updated rules for.

I see these core armies as being:

Space Marines
Orks
Imperial Guard
Eldar
Tyranids
Chaos

So what gets Squatted:

Inquisition (some units folded into Imperial Guard)
All the variant Space Marines (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars) (Codex Space Marines is flexible enough to cover all these)
Tau (close enough to Eldar, Hammerheads count as Fire Prisms, Devilfish as Wave Serpents, Piranhas as Vypers, FW as DA, etc.)
Necrons (Boring, and not worth supporting - can 'counts as' Marines)
Daemons (Folded into Chaos)
Dark Eldar (Folded into Eldar)

Under the "Asmodai System" GW releases a Codex every 2 months. Every army gets an update at least once per year with Space Marines hitting late every November for the Christmas rush. Codex releases don't make or break the company so special releases can be interspersed. (A new edition of the core rules every 2 years would be about right.)

Like in Magic, each Codex release introduces some new models/rules and 'retires' others (out of tournament play, but you can still use last year's rules for it in friendly games).

This provides a cycle of new and fresh models to buy, means that truly broken builds won't last a year and means that the Vets who currently have everything will have an excuse to buy new models.

BrookM wrote:

Typeline wrote:

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Unless you have a portable black hole?

I'm sorry. SPACE MAREENS don't allow those.

You can thank me for getting back on topic.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Typeline wrote:

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Unless you have a portable black hole?

I'm sorry. SPACE MAREENS don't allow those.

You can thank me for getting back on topic.

You're right, a vortex grenade it is then.

@Asmodai:

That's one hell of a treadmill you've got there, with 40k releaeses every other month. You couldn't even squeeze in Apoc or rulebook updates, along with non-40k stuff.

I play Eldar, IG, SM, and Chaos, so I'd be forced to buy 4 Codices year, plus minis? Sorry, that's way too expensive for me.

Still, good Devil's Advocate solution to the "I want more updates" challenge.

Hold on, whats the point of Space Marines....if theres no one viable to "fight" against.

I was just about to expand my Grey Knights / Ordo Malleus army, now GW can kiss my ass.

Once I finally finish painting what I have, I won't be putting anymore moeny or effort into GW. To be fair I've already started pumping money into a new system, and I can see that continuing into the "forseeable future"

If GW was really going to cut down to a half dozen core armies, I'd expect to see something more like this:

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Black Templar
Chaos Space Marines

That way no one important is left out.

How about we all just keep spending money with GW as is, and we enjoy the game that we play.

that way we all have fun with a game that we enjoy, and we get ocasional updates from the miniature company who produces good looking models for us to use as toy soldiers in said game!

zomg, did i just blow you mind, its a game, and we DONT have to buy updates all the time unless you play space marines, wait, 65% of you play space marines? dont want to spend as much money? play DE, you will never need to buy a new codex! oh snap, want more updates, hey, space marines get updates all the time! dont like the minis? buy something else and play a "counts-as" army oh damn, did i just blow your mind again?

Hordini wrote:If GW was really going to cut down to a half dozen core armies, I'd expect to see something more like this:

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Black Templar
Chaos Space Marines

That way no one important is left out.

We would probably still see 'Nids, as they are the primary enemy of the Smurfs. So, more like 7 Codices.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

My 6000+ points of Tau beg to disagree.

On topic, if GW starts dropping armies, that's when I leave the hobby. Personally I like playing armies that aren't as popular as space marines or orks. Whenever I show up at a new gaming store, everyone immediately wants to play me because I am one of only a handful of people who isn't playing the same race as everyone else. Sure waiting forever for codices sucks, but it beats the hell out of playing the same 3 armies every single time.

Sidstyler wrote:Personally I think they should drop Orks. They don't sell as well as Space Marines do and the whole humor thing in 40k doesn't really fit in.

Ahhh. Bite your tongue. Da Boyz are the best thing to happen to the game. You can play them brutal or you can play them fun. And I have a feeling GW designers themselves have a soft spot for Da Boyz. They were the first non imperim army to get a Super Heavy made into a plastic Kit. I don't think they should drop anything. I think they should flush out more of the armies they have. The more Codexes the better.

If they "Squat" any army in 40k or Fantasy, or LOTR, I really don't know what I'm going to do....

probably explode.

And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.


and to those who don't like Orks, you must be jealous dat Da Boyz Iz Neva Beat'n In Battle!

Cryonicleech wrote:
And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.

I was being sarcastic. The idea that "Squatting" anything nowadays would be a good thing is ridiculous. GW has alienated their veteran playerbase more than enough already.

Cryonicleech wrote:And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.

Actually, I don't hate WFB, just more tweaking of noses than anything else.

Though I am irritiated that my Dogs of War army appears to have been "Squatted", like my DE and Kroot before them...

Just use Counts As, Jonny. We all know how much you looooooooooooove telling everyone else to use Counts As, or how their 'Squatted' armies (like LatD and all our Chaos Legions) can just use 'Counts As', so use 'Counts As' for your Dogs of War. You can count them as... Ogre Kingdoms. Or Dwarves maybe. What fun!

Hordini wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:
And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.

I was being sarcastic. The idea that "Squatting" anything nowadays would be a good thing is ridiculous. GW has alienated their veteran playerbase more than enough already.

Nothing more exciting than Veterans grumbling. But yes, I hope they squat nothing.

Actually, I don't hate WFB, just more tweaking of noses than anything else.

Though I am irritiated that my Dogs of War army appears to have been "Squatted", like my DE and Kroot before them...

Ahhh Dogs of War.......I miss the old days....../sniffle


I don't see why GW has to "illegalize" every non-codex/ variant list. Come on! just say "yes" and let it be!

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

...that's why I've seen several Tau players besides myself in my time wargaming, and not a single DE player?
...that's why the DE players at tournaments outnumber the Tau players....oh wait...they don't.

Although I was a little ticked off when I started this thread, I didn't expect it to be taken quite so seriously!

So, here's my idea.

Reduce the number of Codices to a core of:

Space Marines
Chaos Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Orks
Eldar
Tau
Necrons
Tyranids

Then have 5 'Advanced' Codices

Astartes - Variant Marine Chapters
Lost and the Damned - Chaos Legions, Daemons, Traitors and Mutants
Imperium - Inquisitors, Chambers Militant, Adeptus Mechanicus/Skitarrii etc
Klans - Variant Ork lists (kult of speed, freebooterz, clan lists etc)
Ancients - Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Corsairs, Exodites

These could be a real work of art - weighty tomes that every vet would want to own. No need to 'squat' anything but GW gets to keep a core of simpler Codices on the shelves for new gamers and gets double money off the vets who would buy the basic and advanced codex for each relevent army.

And with regards to Space Marines all the time, I think GW would have an absolute gold mine if they did pre-heresy through to heresy kits, and rules. While everyone complains about all the marines, if they made a game about marines fighting marines, people would buy the heck out of it. Especially if they made cool pre-heresy kits for all the marine legions. And people would buy those same kits to kit-bash their 40k armies too... you watch... some day...

It would run 40k and their other systems. It's hard enough waiting 5+ years between updates as it is, but if they do another game focused entirely on Space Marines, you can kiss 40k/WHF updates goodbye for a long while as they focus 98% of their attention on their new cash cow/every SM players wet dream.

How about we all just keep spending money with GW as is, and we enjoy the game that we play.

No.

@ All the tools taking this thread seriously: SARCASM! I don't think anyone in here seriously wants anything to be Squatted*, it's just a bit of fun.

*And if anyone posting here does then you're a moron and I wish I could hit you in the head with a sledgehammer for every dollar I spent on this stupid hobby.

BloodofOrks wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

My 6000+ points of Tau beg to disagree.

On topic, if GW starts dropping armies, that's when I leave the hobby. Personally I like playing armies that aren't as popular as space marines or orks. Whenever I show up at a new gaming store, everyone immediately wants to play me because I am one of only a handful of people who isn't playing the same race as everyone else. Sure waiting forever for codices sucks, but it beats the hell out of playing the same 3 armies every single time.

They already dropped Squats a long time ago. DE are in danger of being dropped, if only from terminal neglect.

I would be surprised if Tau were dropped since they are a popular Xeno army.

People always love to assume the worst. Bunch of 50's Yankee-sissies, go on! Keep squealing that the bombs are a comin'!

Kilkrazy wrote:They already dropped Squats a long time ago. DE are in danger of being dropped, if only from terminal neglect.

Isn't neglect the path that led to the squats being umm...'squatted'? They didn't know what to do with them, no one could think of how to re work and fit them in, no one could work up the enthusiasm and the more time passed the more difficult it became to overome these problems. The squats never got a 2nd edition Codex, though they were technically playable. Two editions have passed since the DE had a codex.

Sidstyler wrote:@ All the tools taking this thread seriously: SARCASM! I don't think anyone in here seriously wants anything to be Squatted*, it's just a bit of fun.

it may have started that way, but there's no rule against conversations developing into something else. So a more serious conversation sprang up out of a joke thread (or about a serious conversation about toy men as you can have) - is that bad?

Howard A Treesong wrote:Two editions have passed since the DE had a codex.

A few months ago, that was true of Guard. That is still true of Space Wolves. Considering how many armies were left behind in third edition, being two editions old does not really mean much. Fourth edition was a phenomenal screw-up, nothing more. If they use fifth edition to get everything back on track, we may not see this sort of thing again. I hope.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Reduce the number of Codices to a core

Then have 5 'Advanced' Codices

I'm assuming that the core Codices would be the only tournament-legal Codices, while "Advanced" would be banned from tournament play?

Because we know from experience that there is no way in hell that GW would be able to do any decent sort of balancing job on any thing that complex for tournaments.
____

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:DE are in danger of being dropped, if only from terminal neglect.

Isn't neglect the path that led to the squats being umm...'squatted'?

Yup. The DE are following the Squats in that exact fashion. I've even got a 2E Codex promising a Squat Codex that never appeared... The difference between then and now is that the DE Codex is still playable under 5E rules because GW stopped mucking with the rules that would have "broken" the DE. As long as GW's main rules don't advance to a point at which DE aren't playable, GW can wait yet another edition before having to deal with the DE in one fashion or another.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yup. The DE are following the Squats in that exact fashion. I've even got a 2E Codex promising a Squat Codex that never appeared... The difference between then and now is that the DE Codex is still playable under 5E rules because GW stopped mucking with the rules that would have "broken" the DE. As long as GW's main rules don't advance to a point at which DE aren't playable, GW can wait yet another edition before having to deal with the DE in one fashion or another.

The 'Spain rumours' thread seems to indicate that development of the DE may have ground to a halt which seems reminiscent of the way the Squats did after a few test pieces in the early 90s. Some people seemed to think that once development started it was some unstoppable force up to eventual release, but of course the plug can be pulled any time if they feel the need to cut their losses.

Disappointed... I saw the word "squat" in the title of this thread and thought they were bringing back Space Dwarves. (I guess I should brush up on the lingo, huh?)

Even Olley's Armies has gone now.

http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/galleryscrunts.html

Since we're wishlisting...

Squat the Necrons and Tau (just because. Necrons being behind,er, everything was silly. And Tau? Talk about not fitting in!)

Squat the marines into 2 mega-codices (Codex and Not)

Go back to (if we were ever there!) one Imperial and one Xenos for as long as possible before 2 Xenos.

Though really, people need to vote with their wallets for that to happen...

If anything gets squatted it will be done on sales potential.


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I mean that's why there are so many SM codexes. It's all this guy's fault.

Dear Teh Space Emporer,

Recently there have been a lot of stories circulating about the new stuff that enemies are getting, such as Ork Stompas, Ork Battlewagons, Ork this, Ork that and Ork the other.

To be honest I’m a bit fed up. It’s not fair for any aliens, xenos, Chaos, Daemons, mutants, heretics, psykers, and everyone who is against you, to get any new stuff before the loyal Imperial armies get something.

And when I say the loyal Imperial armies, you know I mean Space Mariens.

So, please, mighty Emporer and father of all Mareins! Please will you make the next five codexes be Marnies codexes?

We haven’t had Space Wolves yet, and then we need Space Sharks, then Ultramariens could do with an update, then Dark Templars, then Imporial Fists, then Vanilla Mariens, then Urtlramarnies. I am sure you can think of some more.

With much Luv’n’Devotion...


Marneus Calgar
Ultramarine Primus

PS: It’s OK if you just do Utralmrieans. No-one cares about the others, really.

The funny thing about army popularity is that GW has a fair amount of control over this, based on how interesting and powerful they make an army. If they really put their minds to it, they could make Dark Eldar a very popular army (or Necrons, or whatever).

Most of the armies that are less popular now are due to a lack of anything new coming out for them. Face it, we get bored with the same old thing year after year, and we want to see old stuff with a fresh face to get excited about.

I don't think anything should be squated. I think the reverse should happen. I think things should be brought back to 40k. There has been more than squats that have been left to the way side. I want to see Squats, Genesteeler Hybrids, Adeptus Arbites, Lost and the Damn, and anything else be taken and elevated to having full and proper codecies. I want to see everything updated. "Squating" anything is ultimately a step backwards. If GW wanted to do anything to drive people to play marines more than ever they'd squat a race, because everyone know the last race GW would "squat" are marines.

I think people are over reacting a bit to the rumour that the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Black Templars lists are being worked on right now. The design process in not as linear as people believe it is. Of course these books are being worked on, they share one big thing in common; they are all Space Marines, it makes sense to develop them together with the new Ultradex as a guide. This way we will get a more consistent power level (everyone’s always crying about codex creep).
When the DA book came out, Jervis said they had developed the BA list alongside it, but DA were released because the miniature development was more complete and there was more sales potential in the “robed monkish” marines than the red “jump packish” marines. Just because they are working on all these lists simultaneously does not mean they are going to release them one after another.
I know for a fact that 2010 is going to be a very Xenos heavy year. When the Dark Eldar do eventually come out (and they will) and people see the models that have been re-designed from the ground up and realize how much work is required to develop an entirely new range of models and update rules that are right now three editions old (the second 3rd edition list released, not counting the 3.5 update ‘dex) and make it all marketable so that all their hard work is not for nothing. It’s a monumental task, and they have put in the hands of the man who basically invented “space elves”. Between his staggering skill as a conceptualist and his amazing attention to detail, symmetry and style as a sculptor, I have faith that all will be forgiven for making us wait as long as we have.
Am I a Jes Goodwin’s fanboy for saying that?
HELLZ YA! Proud of it!
They need to be sure that the army they release for the Dark Eldar will sell and sell as well as any of the other Xenos armies; which all combined are a drop in the bucket compared to how many space marines they sell.
So every time a new marine model or book or accessory comes out, just be happy that the sales generated by those items allows GW to spend time and resources developing the truly interesting armies that populate the 40k universe.


Dosadi

I think they'll 'squat' themselves in favor of some alliance that combines GW, Privateer Press, AND Reaper Miniatures...

...It shall be called PrivaReapeWorkshop, and it shall specialize in the ultimate game format..... POGS!


Seriously, I don't think they'll squat any of what they have right now. I think they're just taking their time with support for some of the older stuff. Then again I've only been playing for like a year and a half so maybe there's something I'm not seeing.

If anything I reckon they should add some new armies. When you look at the codexes, the Daemonhunters and the Dark Eldar are some of the best armies, they are massively overrated, I've never lost a battle yet with my Daemonhunters, although I have only been playing since Christmas, and my friend has Dark Eldar and he seems to win on nearly every occasion that isn't against me!

In 7th Edition there will be 20 marine codexes (including spiky).

The 21 codex will be the oldest and the most underpowered. It will be Codex Xenos. Written by Jervis naturally.

Entries will look like this.

HQ Xeno Leader -250pts

Hq Fluff: Xenos leader have a myraid of forms; some are skinny and psychic others are big monsters. Whatever they are use the profile below..

On topic : I would really like them to squat Marines, Orks, and Xenos leaving Guard and chaos Guard.

I find it dumb to squat any armies to be perfectly honest. It's a pointless exercise unless those armies are too overpowered/underpowered in such a way that they are no longer playable in an average game. Otherwise, you're simply taking out a portion of your community for no apparent reason.

On the topic of Space Marines, of course people are going to give them the most crap. Fact of the matter is, they're arguably the most popular army in the game. Those on top take the most crap. For a while I remember a few years ago when Chaos took the most crap because people felt their Codex was far too overpowered and everyone switched armies to them. I'm not going to lie. I started into the hobby as a Chaos player then also made a regular Space Marine army. I later wanted to try something different so I put together an IG Army and finally, for pure interest alone, I had gotten about 2k points of Necrons due to ease of army building/compiling/painting.

I had mentioned in a post a while ago about codices like that, that getting an update as often as Space Marines (and even guard) get can be a double edged sword. I've gone through 2 Chaos Codices and now getting back into again after a few years of not playing, again don't have an updated codex. I've gone through about 3 or so iterations of a Dark Angels Codex, and 4 (counting Catachans) iterations of a Guard Codex. I was elated to know that my old Necrons codex was still viable and I didn't have to go out and spend another 30 bucks on a book that just flipped around a few things (DA) OR completely reworked everything so I need new models (IG). I'm debating on whether or not I even want to get a new Chaos Codex or just sell off my old Armies.

So, in conclusion(as a lot of that might have ended up jumbled) just remember, all these updates bring positives and negatives to each armies. Sometimes, one should be happy to be able to hang tight to an old favorite and know that their army isn't going to get messed with.

Elric of Grans wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Two editions have passed since the DE had a codex.

A few months ago, that was true of Guard. That is still true of Space Wolves. Considering how many armies were left behind in third edition, being two editions old does not really mean much. Fourth edition was a phenomenal screw-up, nothing more. If they use fifth edition to get everything back on track, we may not see this sort of thing again. I hope.

...4th Edition...that means they were only 1 Edition behind, as are MOST armies at this point.

According to Dakka Articles:
5 armies are from third edition.
6 armies are from fourth edition
5 armies are from fifth edition.

1/3 of the armies are two editions behind. This is what the problem is, not one edition behind. When fifth edition first came out, practically all armies were at least one edition behind: that is their business model!

karnaeya wrote:In 7th Edition there will be 20 marine codexes (including spiky).

Nah, we need only one more: Imperial Fists. We need Yellow Marines so we can have Space Marine Power Rangers!
*explosion of coloured smoke*
Calgar: Red Ranger, the forces of KAOS are closing in on us. I tried throwing the book at them, but they pased their save. What do we do now?
Dante: BLOOD FOR THE BLOO... I mean, we shall need to do the honourable thing and face them head on. Green Ranger?
Azrael: I have a plan, but it is a secret.
Dante: Damn, plan `b' it is then. Yellow Ranger, time for a noble sacrifice!
Vladimir: But I only just joined the Space Marine Power Rangers!
Dante: Yes, at the sacrifice of Ranger Grey. Fear not, Ranger White will replace you!
Helbrecht: Bwahaha, the Space Marine Power Rangers appear to be in trouble!
Dante: It's... Ranger Black! What are you doing here, you traitor of all CHAPTER?
Abaddon: Umm, guys, have you forgotten about me?
Helbrecht: I am saddenned. The weakness of the Space Marine Power Rangers has brought tears to my eyes. You are not fit to be my rivals if you cannot handle KAOS!
Calgar: Traitor! If only you had listened to Daddy, you too could have been a Space Marine Power Ranger and we would not have to listen to Nosferatu here on the soul basis that he wears red!
Dante: Shut up, Ranger Blue! Ranger Black, we detest these acusations you make. SKULLS FOR THE SKU... I mean, if you stand before us, we shall not back down. By CHAPTER, we shall see you submit!
Abaddon: I will just head home now. Sorry guys, the Black Crusade is called off.
Kharn: Aww, I wanted to hit something!
Helbrecht: CHAPTER has grown weak. Weak, I tell you! I shall never forgive your weakness. Draw your weapons, for today I show you the limits of CHAPTER!
*explosion of black smoke*
Azrael: (monologue) As urgent as it felt to me, I decided not to tell my brothers that I had again forgotten to `go' before we left. This warm yet embarassing feeling along my inner leg shall have to be kept a secret from all.
*explosion of green smoke*
Vladimir: (monologue) Screw these guys! I wish I had never joined the Space Marine Power Rangers if it were to come to this!
*explosion of yellow smoke*
Calgar: (monologue) I am so telling Daddy on these guys when we get back! He will remind them how important it is to use the book.
*explosion of blue smoke*
Dante: (monologue) I hope the camera is on my good side right now...
*explosion of red smoke*
Logan: (monologue) I really wish the guys would stop thinking I am dead. I am standing right behind them after all.
*explosion of grey smoke*
Narration: The Space Marine Power Rangers turned away the forces of KAOS, but a new threat has appeared. Can they uphold the honour of CHAPTER, or will the old ways of LEGION strike back? Find out next week on... SPACE MARINE POWER RANGERS!!!

EDIT: wrong name.

...WTH was that?...

In Qatar I have a group of 3 guys that I play with, and another few that I know of.

Me and the three are:
Orks
Nids
Eldar
Chaos, but recently stopped in favour of Orks, cause tey rulez!1!

The other guys play:
Space Marines (not sure which)
Tau

So, out of a random selection of six we get 2 space marines chapters. One of them has switched to orks. The other isn't able to get models (his parents are Mormons or something).

Space Marines can suck my monkey's farts.

Elric of Grans wrote:According to Dakka Articles:
5 armies are from third edition.
6 armies are from fourth edition
5 armies are from fifth edition.

1/3 of the armies are two editions behind. This is what the problem is, not one edition behind. When fifth edition first came out, practically all armies were at least one edition behind: that is their business model!

True, but I personally ignore Demon Hunters, Sisters of Battle, and Inquisitors as forces. That leaves Necrons and Dark Eldar? (correct me, politely, if wrong).
Demon Hunters, Sisters of Battle, and Inquisitors should never really have been separate armies...

I think both the Dark Eldar and Necrons need some serious love, Necrons just to make them more diverse and interesting, and Dark Eldar just need to appear on "the scene" again. The other three listed before are too much like Marines to feel like they need an update anytime in the near future.

Sisters of Battle have been an army since 2E, with proper Codices every edition (counting WH as their 4E Codex). Sisters are *definitely* a force, and Fluff-wise, far more numerous than the Space Marines. Sisters should definitely return as a separate army in 5E.

Now, I'll grant you Inquisition / Daemonhunters / Grey Knights are arguable as separate forces, due to the sparsity of their model ranges. But they've been around with rules and such since RT, and should at least be considered as Forces of the Inqusition / Imperial Allies. Daemonhunters can probably soldier on as an Allies force for the time being, until GW figures out what to do with them.

DE and Necrons have entirely different problems. Necrons have rules problem, because they just don't fit into the streamlined design of 5E, while DE have a Fluff problem as to why they are relevant (like DH).

Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, Daemonhunters (Grey Knights and Inquisition), Necrons, Witch Hunters (Sisters and Inquisition).

Sisters have been a `complete' army since Second Edition, before Dark Eldar, Necrons or Tau were conceptualised. Neither Grey Knights nor Inquisition have ever been complete armies on their own, but, like Sisters, have been a part of the game since Rogue Trader.

EDIT:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sisters are *definitely* a force, and Fluff-wise, far more numerous than the Space Marines.

I have never read any fluff confirming that. Each of the Order Majoris are larger than a single Chapter of Space Marines, but there are only six of them, compared to 1000 Chapters. There is an `infinite' number of Order Minoris, of wildly varying sizes, but I do not know of anything official stating that these add up to be more numerous than the Space Marines.

Asmodai wrote:Under the "Asmodai System" GW releases a Codex every 2 months. Every army gets an update at least once per year with Space Marines hitting late every November for the Christmas rush. Codex releases don't make or break the company so special releases can be interspersed. (A new edition of the core rules every 2 years would be about right.)

Like in Magic, each Codex release introduces some new models/rules and 'retires' others (out of tournament play, but you can still use last year's rules for it in friendly games).

This provides a cycle of new and fresh models to buy, means that truly broken builds won't last a year and means that the Vets who currently have everything will have an excuse to buy new models.

Urk, what a horrible idea. It typically takes me a year to paint up an army - I'd never have an army tournament-ready!

The difference between 40k and Magic is that you don't have to paint Magic cards.

Neil wrote:

Asmodai wrote:Under the "Asmodai System" GW releases a Codex every 2 months. Every army gets an update at least once per year with Space Marines hitting late every November for the Christmas rush. Codex releases don't make or break the company so special releases can be interspersed. (A new edition of the core rules every 2 years would be about right.)

Like in Magic, each Codex release introduces some new models/rules and 'retires' others (out of tournament play, but you can still use last year's rules for it in friendly games).

This provides a cycle of new and fresh models to buy, means that truly broken builds won't last a year and means that the Vets who currently have everything will have an excuse to buy new models.

Urk, what a horrible idea. It typically takes me a year to paint up an army - I'd never have an army tournament-ready!

The difference between 40k and Magic is that you don't have to paint Magic cards.

This is one of the reasons that I quit magic: I still like using Apocalypse.

GW will produce new codexes according to how they judge user demand. They are in business to sell models.

From a game variety viewpoint if Necrons and SoBs or whatever army play differently to other armies, they are worth having a new codex.

dark eldar are a real decent list fragile yeah, but they have some serious firepower and there quite handy in the assault too, they dont need a codex update

Unless they somehow made the Dark Eldar the coolest army in 40k; it seems like a huge waste of effort and $$$ to develop Dark Eldar when money could be spent on the cash cow that is Space Marines. Dark Eldar were a series of horribly executed business decisions and if they vanished into nothingness like the Squats not many more people would care.

To be honest if any armies were to be squatted then they will take out eldar, dark eldar and chaos (marines and daemons), and then claim that the Rhana Dhandra happened

These threads ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make me laugh at pretty much... all of you. Lets start a huge flame spam fest and beat our chests about who right and whos wrong, why this army sucks and why this one should go away. SQUAT ARMY SQUAT ARMY. GW sucks and I KNOW the way to fix their screwups.
YET, this is why I laugh, Under most of your sigs is "this is how huge my army is" you still not only one GW army, but SEVERAL armies. Seriously you guys that are doing what I stated above, really need to go back down into your basement lairs, and suck on your thumbs a little longer.
I dont care what they chop, what gets a new codex (yes SM are boring but live with the popularity) just play the damn game like you obviously already are. Thats what I do. I played chaos and loved it. Then IMO they slaughtered it with the current codex, so I play a different army now. Just go with it and be happy that we have a hobby we can enjoy and dump loads of cash on.

two_heads_talking wrote:The problem with Gw is that each of us, everyone thinks we could do it better, and given the typical comment, I'd disagree with that assessment. Not only could most of us do no better, but I'd venture to say we'd, most of us, do a an even worse job..

That's the problem as I see it.. Too many knucklehead, tongue waggers with no clue trying to tell someone else what to do..

That's like that 16 year old who walks up to a professional basketball player (like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Labron James, Dwight Howard, and telling them, you know what, if you did this like this, you'd be a better player.. perhaps they just might be right, but either of those 4 are doing well enough without the input..)

Reiterated for truth. You only have to visit a Rules Development or Proposed Rules forum on the Internet to be boggled by what the average fan thinks is game development.

As far as Codex's go, GW produces Space Marine, then something else. Then Space Marine, then something else. etc.

They are banking on you all buying more stuff to fill out your uberarmies, and then to cap that off bank on you going for gold and buying massive amounts of scenery to fill out the massive amounts of armies that you have aquired.

New races are almost a given, but with our current financial situation, the tried and true are going to keep getting the love while the unknown quotent of the "New "armies are at best only getting preevolutions and planning.

Until the economy comes up for air, you people arn't going to be seeing any Dark Eldar or anyone else new anytime soon. Space Marines... Its whats for dinner.

Jervis claimed that they were going to continue to support the established armies. This would mean the 9 standard, with a few nich armies along for the ride, depepnding on thier sales.
We all know how much his word is worth, though. Jack and and Jack just left town.

Plantestrike will introduce the new "Metagame". Large scale floorhammer armies that will be keeping the average player amused for the next 6-7 months or so, hopefully by then, they bank on the other armies.

- Scenery isn't as hard to come up with as a new codex army.
- The resources are already in effect, "Tied up" in Planetstrike.
- The player base plays your basic Space Marine armies, but there are already enough of the aliens that any good hero needs to kick around.
- Financially, GW cannot allot resources to the unknown at this time.

Store closings, Layoffs, the last couple of quarters, and the "New and Improved sales model" do not allot any resources to NEW armies. I wouldn't so much as say that they are taking a "Squat", they are just laying low and weathering the financial storm that they are in, along with every other company.

We are talking about the companies survival. If you were in charge of a company that has been to the last couple of months taking the piss, and then found yourself in one of the worst world economic situations that a company can be in, you would do the same. This doesn't mean that the stuff isn't coming out, it means that they have the time to wargame the sales, establish the condexs and rules for the armies, and then continue to work the creation system of the new armies. " what works" what doesn't work" evolution of the race itself, designing new units and models, etc.etc.etc. This will in turn give you all a better product, unless GW pisses its time away and just lives in its own little dreamworld.

Privateer Press is gunning for GW's shortcomings, so you KNOW that they as well arn't wasting thier time. Along with the other Flames of War, SOTTR, and the perry brother's historicals, GW well and truly needs to have a "come to jesus meeting" and figure out if they truly want to survive.

What do you mean by a "new" army?

Do you mean a completely new army like, say the Pan Fo.

Or a simple update update of an existing army like Tau.

Or a major revision of a very old army like DE or SoB?

Dosadi wrote:I think people are over reacting a bit to the rumour that the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Black Templars lists are being worked on right now. The design process in not as linear as people believe it is. Of course these books are being worked on, they share one big thing in common; they are all Space Marines, it makes sense to develop them together with the new Ultradex as a guide. This way we will get a more consistent power level (everyone’s always crying about codex creep).
When the DA book came out, Jervis said they had developed the BA list alongside it, but DA were released because the miniature development was more complete and there was more sales potential in the “robed monkish” marines than the red “jump packish” marines. Just because they are working on all these lists simultaneously does not mean they are going to release them one after another.
I know for a fact that 2010 is going to be a very Xenos heavy year. When the Dark Eldar do eventually come out (and they will) and people see the models that have been re-designed from the ground up and realize how much work is required to develop an entirely new range of models and update rules that are right now three editions old (the second 3rd edition list released, not counting the 3.5 update ‘dex) and make it all marketable so that all their hard work is not for nothing. It’s a monumental task, and they have put in the hands of the man who basically invented “space elves”. Between his staggering skill as a conceptualist and his amazing attention to detail, symmetry and style as a sculptor, I have faith that all will be forgiven for making us wait as long as we have.
Am I a Jes Goodwin’s fanboy for saying that?
HELLZ YA! Proud of it!
They need to be sure that the army they release for the Dark Eldar will sell and sell as well as any of the other Xenos armies; which all combined are a drop in the bucket compared to how many space marines they sell.
So every time a new marine model or book or accessory comes out, just be happy that the sales generated by those items allows GW to spend time and resources developing the truly interesting armies that populate the 40k universe.


Dosadi

This.

I have played had two armies that i spent a lot of time and money on "squatted" by GW (LATD and Genestealer cultists).

I refuse to ever again do a specialty army/appendix force included in any supplement or WD feature. I got bent over twice, but if I let it happen again then shame on me for being a moron.

So I can feel for the Dark Eldar players. Being in Limbo is not fun. Sadly, I am starting to feel a grave disturbance in the force on this one however...

dienekes96 wrote:

Dosadi wrote:I think people are over reacting a bit to the rumour that the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Black Templars lists are being worked on right now. The design process in not as linear as people believe it is. Of course these books are being worked on, they share one big thing in common; they are all Space Marines, it makes sense to develop them together with the new Ultradex as a guide. This way we will get a more consistent power level (everyone’s always crying about codex creep).
When the DA book came out, Jervis said they had developed the BA list alongside it, but DA were released because the miniature development was more complete and there was more sales potential in the “robed monkish” marines than the red “jump packish” marines. Just because they are working on all these lists simultaneously does not mean they are going to release them one after another.
I know for a fact that 2010 is going to be a very Xenos heavy year. When the Dark Eldar do eventually come out (and they will) and people see the models that have been re-designed from the ground up and realize how much work is required to develop an entirely new range of models and update rules that are right now three editions old (the second 3rd edition list released, not counting the 3.5 update ‘dex) and make it all marketable so that all their hard work is not for nothing. It’s a monumental task, and they have put in the hands of the man who basically invented “space elves”. Between his staggering skill as a conceptualist and his amazing attention to detail, symmetry and style as a sculptor, I have faith that all will be forgiven for making us wait as long as we have.
Am I a Jes Goodwin’s fanboy for saying that?
HELLZ YA! Proud of it!
They need to be sure that the army they release for the Dark Eldar will sell and sell as well as any of the other Xenos armies; which all combined are a drop in the bucket compared to how many space marines they sell.
So every time a new marine model or book or accessory comes out, just be happy that the sales generated by those items allows GW to spend time and resources developing the truly interesting armies that populate the 40k universe.


Dosadi

This.

I also agree with this. Redoing a whole army and its fluff is MUCH harder than updating 4-5 books. The parent codex is there, the babies aren't that hard to do a quick patch, unlike DE who need a complete reconstruction...

Granted I play Deathwing but I REALLY want to see Daemonhunters and Dark Eldar redone.

I love this game for the 'sandbox' style of gaming.

The reason I'm so in to it is all the variations in race's and the build-your-own style list creation.

If GW drops even one race it would stunt my interest in 40k a lot.

I want MORE races and codex's, I'm really not too pissed using old 'dexs. As long as the pool of options for army creation is as large as possible, the game will always be fresh to me.

Dark Eldar - they maybe outdated but they still have good mini options - on GW site compare DE with necrons, there is more variety and more figures to choose from.

I'm waiting to be corrected ............

(but i think i'm right) lol

athba wrote:Dark Eldar - they maybe outdated but they still have good mini options - on GW site compare DE with necrons, there is more variety and more figures to choose from.

I'm waiting to be corrected ............

(but i think i'm right) lol

The fact that Necrons are all the same like they ave been stamped out on an assembly line is intentional and part of their intended aesthetic...

CT GAMER wrote:

athba wrote:Dark Eldar - they maybe outdated but they still have good mini options - on GW site compare DE with necrons, there is more variety and more figures to choose from.

I'm waiting to be corrected ............

(but i think i'm right) lol

The fact that Necrons are all the same like they ave been stamped out on an assembly line is intentional and part of their intended aesthetic...

methinks their "intentional aesthetic" is lame.

Well...that's your problem? There are a lot of people who think the Tau aesthetic is lame, too, not every army is going to appeal to everyone.

Sidstyler wrote:Well...that's your problem? There are a lot of people who think the Tau aesthetic is lame, too, not every army is going to appeal to everyone.

Nahhhh...I actually like the majority of the models that are out there, including Necrons.

Necrons rule.

Their uniform nature is great. It's frightening to see never-ending waves of machines whose sole directive is too kill.

So long as you can pose the models in a variety of different poses then I think they're great.

As long as Eldar stay around to kick Spaz Marines asses, I will continue to use GW codices. If they get axed I will be right next to Deff dread with a backpack full of dynamite, a cigarette, and a cup of black coffee with NOTHING IN IT. "DAMMIT NO MORE COFFEE... GW MUST GO!!!".

I love this game for the 'sandbox' style of gaming.

The reason I'm so in to it is all the variations in race's and the build-your-own style list creation.

If GW drops even one race it would stunt my interest in 40k a lot.

I want MORE races and codex's, I'm really not too pissed using old 'dexs. As long as the pool of options for army creation is as large as possible, the game will always be fresh to me.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! PLEASE GOD NO. GW will end up making a HUGE mess of the game if they spam new armies all the time. They need to fix the ones they already have. There is sandbox, and we are not exactly there right now, way too many beach-bullies walking around. Right now were in a clean litter box (with a little %#$@ in the corner over there... it is different @%# for everyone), and if they add more armies it won't be so neat and tidily organized anymore. At least I know for a fact the 5th ed. armies are simply better, add another generation to the 3 inbred generations we have now, and oh christ were all screwed, tiny little gamers everywhere will be fielding slowed power lists and ruin the game for most of the older gamers out there.