I have taken some time to get bored and start choppin up sprues. This led to me thinking about what I could make out them. At this point I am seriously considering making a Tyranid Demon. I haven't seen any and I think it would be an awesome project. I plan to use sprues to form a skeleton, then I will have to bite the bullet and go buy green-stuff and milliput. I would prefer to use recycled or easily obtained materials. I don't think I have enough brain cells or ventilation to make a solid plastic model by welding piece by piece. But the thought has crossed my mind; I am pretty handy with a dremel.
I have found a very good FAQ sheet on sculpting, unfortunately I believe you need a yahoo account to view this. I have no problem sharing it with you by copy and pasting; I can't do that... so I will leave it up to your ability to sign up for a yahoo account if you do not have one.
This is the main site although again it does not matter without a yahoo account.
I also really like the idea of scratch building as well.
I created a scratch Soul Grinder and used sprue as the skeleton, went over it with hot glue to make the base shape, then milliput over that for course outline and finally greenstuff for the detail (ie. free, cheap, inexpensive, expensive).
Concept pics look awesome - love the idea of a non-standard demon. I would much prefer well pulled off original stuff than simply a painting interpretation of a GW sculpt!
Hot glue from a "glue-gun"? Just the little class project ones? Sounds pretty effective.
I think by the scale this project has developed it is going to be Soul grinder size. I think I'll stick with the hybrid theme and work from the arm in. I hope I have enough sprues . I am going to try and make something like a Trigon soulgrinder; counts as for either army. I am hoping to cast this if it turns out how I imagine it, but that is for another day.
If all else fails, you have a really sweet Halloween prop for the coffee table. Its looking pretty good so far and the concepts look pretty awesome. I hope this turns out as good as Im hoping!
I think I'm finished with the arm adjustments. I'm going to work a bit on the other shoulder and maybe a bit of the chest for a bit. Maybe give my brain a rest from this for a second (yeah right, like it can). Here is a couple pictures just to make clear what I am doing with the arm.
I'll take advice as you give it. I plan on doing full color drawings before I sculpt this, and I would appreciate peoples consensus on the final design choice.
Chest is pretty much done for now. Here are some pics. Ask any questions if you'd like.
I actually had some questions of my own before I move on the the bottom piece. I really like the idea of a Trigon styled serpentine body. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm trying to avoid looking like a Lizardman. I think regular legs will be quite difficult to place on a MC base, which is my goal.
My second question is how do you think I should go about making the form of the mutated scything talon? Plasticard is my first thought, but I am really lacking on supplies right now. At some point I may have to ask friends for more sprues. I could wait on this till later when I have begun adding the core of the model (hot-glue). Anyone have a preference in the hot-glue aspect? Kinda seems like the same stuff to me.
I am intending to keep it on a MC base. The arms will be magnetized when i get there. He is just going to have a hand the size of a tank Note that you can only target legs and torso on a model, so any wings or giant hands I include are un-targetable for tabletop WH40k.
How can I connect it with the plastic? Zip ties or Twisty ties? I was planning on reinforcing the existing frame with more struts; I am not sure about the welds integrity though.
thinner wire twisted around or zip ties would be good - however once you have epoxy putty over the top it will all sit well together and add a strong core (like steel reinforcing in concrete).
I just want to chime in and say that this is looking absolutely fantastic so far. The only thing I'm concerned about is the size - it looks like it's on it's way to rivalling super-heavy Apoc only vehicles.
Which would be sweet - an apocalypse Daemon.
Best of luck, and I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.
I'm taking a break of the plastic welding to do a bit more design. I think this is closest to what I had in mind. It's a Stimpy Demon variant Adding a second type, not sure which I like more.
They look like they're going to be Apoc sized. Is it just me or does anyone else mess their pants at the thought of meeting one of these in a dark alley?
I've decided to try and use this in WH40k would be slightly ridiculous. Trying to keep it on a monstrous creature base is probably unfeasible. My plan is to go with the bottom concept, and make it Tri-gon like. The tail will be sunken into the ground so most of it will not be visible. I thought about making its base like a rip in the warp, but I'll deal with that later. If I get a chance I'll draw a scaled drawing roughly depicting its size and stance.
I believe most MC's in WH40k are roughly 4 inches tall and around the same width with posed appendages. . I still plan to keep the hand slightly larger than the torso. If I were to guess the final size, it would be roughly 6-7 inches tall when its finished.
After I finish the framing this week I'll need a bit of help with posing the skeleton. I'll need to make reference marks to keep everything in line because I plan to keep the model in 4-5 pieces. This will help be stay true to the concept w/o too many compromises. I may end up needing 2-3 magnets for each connection, I feel like this will be a very heavy model. In short I plan to finish the sculpting over the course of this month (painting not included). If things go smoothly I could finish this in as little as 2 weeks, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Getting pretty close to the end of the design. I am showing pictures that accurately depict what I plan to do with this model. Not everything is too scale, but I think it is within reason. At this point I am done framing most of the torso and both arms. I will go get some supplies to start sculpting next week, possibly starting on Sunday.
Take a minute to look through the pictures and tell me what you think. I'd like to know how you all would like to see this model develop.
H'mmm I forgot to turn them.... I'll see if I can fix that. The images may not appear, I deleted after turning them but I cant seem to put new ones up. Oh, well I'll take a crack at it tomorrow. Wait am I at picture capacity? I think I might be, I guess this is quite a few pictures. Ok, at some point I believe I will have to put most (if not all) of these pictures in links routing you all to folders in my image box. This is one of those things that trips me up, although I am glad I realized this before I started to get into the real photos. Perhaps I'll keep the photos up and link them as I go, to keep the thread pretty... if you want to call it that.
Really looking forward to this. Ive tried using sprues pieces to scratch build and its gone well...however I think if I tried anything THAT big I might have a problem.
From the concept sketches im seeing great things in the future
I was planning to go to the hardware store to pick up supplies to start the sculpt soon but I am wondering about what materials I need. So far my list is=
-Glue gun
-Glue sticks
-Milliput
-Green stuff
-Mini-wire brush (for muscles mainly, not in the mood to build this from scratch)
-Small-pored sponges (Once attached to a stick with a zip tie these things are great for any sculpting)
-1/8"- 1/4" chikenwire or suitable equivalent. (To reinforce skeleton, and provide a rough surface for hot glue and milliput)
-Thin gauge wire (To attach wire reinforcement)
-Super magnets (I will get this later in the project when I have a clearer idea of the functional aspects of the model)
-Vaseline (To make working with the fine details and handling the green stuff a lot easier)
-Stuff...
As far as I know that is what I will need to complete the project. If I am not mistaken I can finish this model in under 50$, which would be great for my current Eldar army (did he say eldar?). It is going to be fun terrorizing my Dire avengers with this monstrosity.
If anyone could help me out at this point I would really appreciate it. I don't plan on rushing this model; do not worry it will get finished this summer paint and all. Amounts of these materials, how to use them (or links therein), as well as tips on how to build the model in a way that will accommodate my dynamic magnetizing plan. I am experienced with clay and stone much more than any other sculpting materials; heck I've made bunches of "artsy" paper models. On the other hand I do not have experience with the milliput and green stuff directly, as such all advice is welcome.
Thanks in advance, this weekend is the juncture to bring this model to the sculpting stages. I will be around quite a lot to keep an eye on the thread.
I don't know if this can really work, using sprues, that is. But I am absolutely fascinated and drawn in. The fact that everyone has extra sprues implies that astonishing scratchbuilds are within everybody's reach.
Amazing freehand drawings. Can't wait to see how the finished model looks by comparison.
I agree with Solorg on the questionability of using sprues as a structural armiture. I have a feeling you may end up breaking the glue joints as you try to flesh it out with heavy putties.
I am planning on reinforcing everything with a inner chickenwire frame. The entire torso will be filled with hot glue on the inside so it can help support the framing on the model. The arms will be supported by a sub-structure of coat-hanger wire inserted into custom ports along the plastic. That reminds me to get a mini table clamp, although they seem awfully overpriced for 5 bits of cheap metal. Something important to keep in mind is this is more of a "skeleton" than an armature, and will form a main part of the models surface area. I plan to economize my use of the green stuff and milliput by mixing them to achieve a more clay-like nature. From what I have read green stuff sounds a lot like soggy bread, or noodle dough sculptures. Yes I make food sculptures; don't worry it usually involves a carcass of some kind and I bring the floss out for a puppet show ( )... Hmmm. Anyway the green stuff sounds like it has a dynamic nature that can be used in stages during its curing process. Different mixes and ambient room temperatures effect how AND when you can work with these epoxy putties, so I will have to keep that in mind, and employ what I call the slap-dash scraping and sanding technique. 1 part Yellow-gray milli" to 1 part green stuff is my initial plan, the green stuff itself will be mixed with a high ratio of Yellow (yes I know this is getting confusing, think Yellow-gray, and Yellow) part to blue part.
On top of this I have added enough struts to make the torso look like a bridge . I will also support the elbows with strips of welded plastic. I'll see if I can put up a few pics of what I have done so far.
I called my local hardware store for some prices and current stock. For milliput they carry 3 types= Super fine white (23.99$), Silver-grey (25.99), and my personal favorite (I wonder why?) Yellow-gray (14.99$!). All come in 4 oz. packs (both tubes, one tube... dunno I forgot to ask) and after reviewing the milliput site Yellow-gray appears to be a more industrial grade, whereas the others are more suited for fine work. I am going to try a blend or two that I read online, but any information on the Yellow-gray milliput before I run headfirst into this brick-wall would be great.
I dont think that there would be too many problems using sprue . . .
Once you get it all done together and hot glued with the wire and things, it would probably hold together quite well. Then once the milliput goes on and drys rock solid youll have a good base
In answer to the milliput question, I reckon would be fine to start a base with. Ive found it can be abit iffy in big quantities trying to use it, but keeping it lubricated and not trying anything too fiddly and it would be fine. I havnt used the other type so cant really comment on that
WOWZAZS I just made a mess of my trousers
that thing is going to be huge
and its damb scary
fabulous drawings i like the idea of you planning it out
Excellent job
ABH
So I went and got all of the supplies I need (I hope) besides the green stuff. I am planning to use the yellow milliput mixed with a smidge of vaseline to keep it from cracking. I will do a test mini-sculpt with this mixture before proceeding, I'll make some sort of demonic Charlie Brown head ( ). At this point all I need to do is add the wiring inside to create a basket in the torso to do the glue. Please do note that I am most definitely taking the long way around on purpose. Formal models do not use plastic regularly; instead wire frames and/or wire armature are made for proper sculpting. The main goal here was to help me design conceptually in 3-d; all welds are easily changed and I put around 2 hours of time into making this so far. My second goal was to incorporate the plastic "skeleton" into the final model, making the model very deep and dynamic in the final product. Now that I am done stabbing at bats in the dark, I can see what I have made with a lot more clarity. When drawing your concepts limit yourself to around 10 minutes a piece; you can easily achieve this by working with simple shapes and textures. Your second set of conceptual pictures should take you no more than one hour each; yet again achieved through simple techniques this time with a bit more experience and hand control. If you zoom into my drawings you can see the pencil techniques I have used with relative clarity.
As I said before wire frames (using chickenwire mainly) are commonplace in the sculpting/ modeling industry. Making them requires a bit of practice and gloves. This wire will cut you so badly it is not even funny. There is wire products made specifically for this although I doubt it is much better than the regular hardware supplies. A nice thing about wire is that making simple forms is quite easy and requires little to no forethought. The simplest way to start a body would be taking a cylinder of low gauge (1/8-1/4") chicken wire or something to that effect, then simply begin forming the basic shape of a torso, head, arm, etc... These chicken wire frames are best used on medium to small sculptures that use lighter materials so that no filling is needed besides a wire support structure inside.
I will update before I start to sculpt this monstrosity.
Here are some pictures of the model with the hot glue used. I actually found the price of glue sticks very unreasonable. I will have to consider ordering them online as both stores I stopped at charged like 7$ for 24 sticks, and I have already used 15 of them... Online they cost at least half the price, I recommend doing some price checks on your hot-glue sticks before buying them. The gun was about 7$ as well, around what I expected.
That looks like the program they used for that flying ninja game. Man... what was the name. Hilarious stuff, you just fling a stickfigure guy around and try to kick other stickguys in various vulnerable areas. Ooooh that is a tongue twister. Try it... lol. The game had no real technique that I could figure out, the stickguys just wobbled around and spinned in an unalterable direction drastically when you would move them.
Here is a Yellow-gray milliput foot thing that I made to test out the properties of the gunk. I'll see how it responds to acrylics at some point as well, I'm pretty sure they will work fine. The milliput was mixed with a bit of water, then shaped with a wet cue-tip and my fingers. It felt surprisingly like clay when it was wet, but it responded very poorly to heavy shaping and cutting. I see this stuff (so far) as a pretty "flesh" to supplement the hot-glue in areas that need a bit more strength (shoulders, head, etc...) as well as providing a rough shape for my milliput/ greenstuff mix. I'll do all of the fine detail with only greenstuff.
Here is the "zombie" foot. The milliput did not do that well for wounds.
So I have put a layer of the milliput onto the back of torso. It is working out to be much too expensive for my current budget. I'll stop at a store and get some Das clay, which is probably what I should have done from the start. At only 5$ pound or so it seems to be the cheapest alternative I can find. Applying it in coats should help avoid any cracking.
For my detail I plan to use a mix of milliput and green stuff, although the green stuff is appearing to be cheaper and a better choice overall. I am not sure I even need any milliput at this point, nor could I afford enough to complete this project withing a reasonable price range.
First off wrex, the sprue skeleton is pure genius. I have litterally dozens of sprues that I thought I was saving for something.... but I had no idea what for. Thanks for the inspiration!
Second, try Ebay for cheap greenstuff. Lookup "kneadatite" and you can find pretty big rolls on the cheap, if you haven't secured a source already.
Looking good so far - one thing you can do to add cheap bulk is used scrunched up tin foil (aluminium baking foil) - it's a lot cheaper than milliput!
Another time, if you start with a wire armature, you could use polymer clays - no good with a sprue armature though, because you have to bake it. But something like Super Sculpey Firm Grey works great for this kind of large scale sculpt. And they're usually a lot cheaper than epoxy putties.
metallifan wrote:They look like they're going to be Apoc sized. Is it just me or does anyone else mess their pants at the thought of meeting one of these in a dark alley?
I wouldn't want to meet one of these things on a bright sunny day in the greek isles!
Thank you for your responses. I appreciate it.
It turns out the Yellow-gray milliput is perfect for what I am doing. It is rock solid after around 2-3 hours, seriously awesome stuff. I will still work with Das clay to save some cash; I will try using aluminum foil as filler for another project. In terms of the background of this beast, I am not sure at this point. It has the essence of a tzeentch flamer and a demon prince. I do not actually play Apocalypse so I would have no clue how to make this actually work in a game. Off the top of my head I would call it a tzeentch demon lord of the plague, something along those lines. I am planning on making the model quite putrid overall, making the worm-like head even more disgusting. I have taken some time to think about the base and I am beginning to think that a "spilled guts" sculpt would fit in with the models style. The stomach and organs could have eyes, mouth, and all sorts of other out of place parts. The intestines could be working like legs, and they would each end in a vicious alien mouth, they would basically be miniature versions of the main head. As a last effect razor wire wrapped through the "guts" base and spiraling up to the arms would be pretty cool imho. I could even throw a guardsmen or marine into the coils to give the model a bit more pizazz. I couldn't think of a simple way to make a "void" base so I will go down this way instead. Adding extra sub arms may happen at some point, perhaps some gut-stained demon blades for hands. I'll take a bit more time as I work on the rest of the core to think about what textural effects should be used. Any input on this would be nice. For now I am thinking about using rotting flesh, exposed muscle, bone, detailed guts.
Here is a picture of the torso as well as an interesting face I may think about making for this model as an alternate head. Can you guess where this image is from?
I really like your thoughts on the "inner workings" so to speak. Spilling guts is a must for anything plague worthy, adding heads and eyes on the exposed parts does sound a really awesome idea and will be awesome to see it actually brought to life
Glad to see your having luck with milliput modelling, has inspired me to try out scratch building my own squig for my warboss
Looking good! I am following this with interest as my next project will involve sculpting a hierophant for my other son. Maybe I can pick up some good hints.
I have ran into a brick-wall with my materials. There seems to be no stores that carry Das-clay, but they carry other air drying clays. At this point I guess I have no choice but to try another option. Although I will be getting materials online I would like to take some time to continue experimenting with multi-media. If the air dry clay that I end up getting can stick to plastic, hot-glue, and green stuff I think this will work. If not I will have to buy milliput in bulk from somewhere, just because it does EXCACTLY what I need it to do.
I shouldn't be so pessimistic but I doubt I will find a clay that could potentially work as well as Das-clay. Frustrating. The only place I can get green stuff is at my local gaming store, so I am bound to buy my green stuff online. I also hesitate to use Ebay, but I should be able to find a legit company that I can buy direct for cheap. Not a huge fan of sending my money to someones garage quite honestly, threre is really no practical way to just get my stuff if any of these "garage-companies" decide to douche me out of my cash.
If it were to be an new Apocalypse demon. That would be what I would call it. Not a fan of fluff mongering so this guy hardly has to be directly linked to the army.
To make it clear I will call it the "Non-WH40K related monster of a thousand eyes who reeks of rotting flesh and dismembered guts which enjoys a nice cooperative table-top game or two as a substitute for a model of equivelant size". Very Monty-Pythonesque title if you ask me. If I got slapped with a lawsuit for some outlandish reason I would simply have the monsters title take the form of the legal papers. And now we present his 10 page name, with a beautiful binding and nice sterile lettering.
If someone could take a second to explain how this unit could be added to an apocalypse game as some sort of new demonic super-heavy tank, that would be nice.
I think your best bet to making it apocalypse worthy would be to make it just an increased size chaos titan. Give it some structure points and stuff
Id offer more help but my apocalypse rulebook has been taken hostage by my stepbrother . . I fear to never see it again
And who says it has to be any kind of chaos god, just go with chaos undivided, that way you dont nessecrily need to base it around one god or whatever, I would go with it bieng more nurgle than tzeetch if you ask me
I went out and got some air-drying clay and it looks pretty promising. The brand is Amaco, and this stuff can be air-dryed or baked in a ceramic kiln as well. It looks and feels like regular clay that I have worked with and made regularly, just lacking the same grit, which is a good thing for this project. I have also bought a few tools and made a few as well. In terms of tools you can easily make or find anything you need. The main difference in store bought tools (besides the often preposterous prices) is the quality of the materials they are made out of. If you have a chance ask your dentist for some old tools he has laying around because they are pretty much the highest quality you can get. Ordering medical tools can't be cheap so getting free spare ones is a great alternative.
I do suppose it is more nurgle overall. It is mainly the "face" and head that makes me think of tzeentch.
So far great progress. As for the hot glue, goto a Family Dollar or any dollar store and youll get the bags of the hot glue sticks for a BUCK good hunting
That looks like the program they used for that flying ninja game. Man... what was the name. Hilarious stuff, you just fling a stickfigure guy around and try to kick other stickguys in various vulnerable areas. Ooooh that is a tongue twister. Try it... lol. The game had no real technique that I could figure out, the stickguys just wobbled around and spinned in an unalterable direction drastically when you would move them.
(If anyone could tell me how to fix it so that I can just make the word a link instead of posting the address that would be great)
On topic: I think this project is a great example of how to do something with sprues, the only resource most war-gamers have in abundance. But I'm not sold on the use of the clay as it seems to have started... dripping... but this might eventually contribute to the daemon's rotting appearance so I don't know.
I saw a different version of the same game. Fun stuff.
In terms of my project I am beginning to doubt the viability of using this many materials. The air drying clay just lacks the strength to avoid crumbling. Perhaps it needs some more time before I pass any final judgments. The clay on the hand was basically a waste of time so I just took it all off. I may be able to make a base out of this stuff but that seems to be the limit for it's use. The clay looks wet because I put everything together using scoring and a clay "slip" mix I made. The "slip" is just a watery version of the clay, this technique is very common for putting pottery handles and sculptures together.
On a positive note I did find a good deal on green stuff. At 10$ a container I simply can't complain. Too my astonishment milliput ends up costing quite a bit more than most of the Kneadatite I have found. I am interested in using some of the different types of Kneadatite, and I think the Brown/ Aluminum would be an even better alternative to the Yellow-gray milliput, as well as being A LOT cheaper. In total I would have to end up spending around 60-80$ on this model using only green stuff so I will see how this clay turns out. If it's a total flop, I will gladly use the Amaco air-drying clay to make terrain. It seems to hate blending with any other material, so I doubt I can tell it otherwise. I don't want an angry lump of clay sitting in the corner waiting to get it's revenge.
This project WILL be completed, I just need to sit down and run some numbers if the clay poops out on me. My main goal in this project IS to save money. Overall I may not achieve this as I am obviously more interested in finishing the model itself. The sprue skeleton has been very helpful throughout all the stages of this project, so next time around I can finish the model in as little as a week (depending on the materials used).
So far the materials that have proven effective are=
- Sprue bits
- Yellow-gray milliput mixed with petroleum jelly for consistency
(DO NOT be afraid to ask how old materials are when buying them; totally not cool to sell old epoxy)
- Low gauge reinforcement wire mesh (chicken-wire or equivalent) tied on with wire or zip ties
- Hot-glue to fill cavities of non-sculpted areas (if you are paying more than 2-3$ for 30 sticks you are at the wrong store)
So here is a update on the clay. I can't say it is as bad as I expected, because the label warned me of this reaction. It has begun to form MASSIVE cracks in the areas where is is connected (in any way...) to another kind of material. Basically what I expected, but not as crumbly and weak. Overall I would still consider this stuff fantastic for base and terrain making, but it is still sub-par to milliput as a solid material. In terms of price you can't beat it, but it can end up causing massive delays in you projects (which is not my style personally), because of the prep-work and layering involved. You can spray shellac over the clay to get a stronger surface, but I doubt my model will appreciate being sprayed with the stuff.
Here is a picture of the cracking. I will have to super-glue the cracks. In terms of clay this stuff is layered quite thin, and only cracks like this next to the other materials; so making the process any more complicated is a no-go for me. Slip did not work so super-glue will have to do it's job or this model will not be using the clay at all. This clay has a lot of quartz in it, which I believe is the main reason it cracks so much and is able to "air-dry". All clay "air-dries" and I have yet to see how this clay is any better than regular stuff that I could make from materials in my back yard and a few screens.
Fun times with art supplies and the world of overpriced goods
Went and got some cheap glue sticks. After thinking about using super-glue to improve the integrity I decided that hot-glue would be a more supportive material. Super-glue tends to be quite brittle and I think that would compound the problem that I already have with the clay. Hot-glue is also going to save me a lot of green stuff for the guts, it actually looks eerily gut-like. Here are a few pictures. At this point I am going to think about how to put the shoulders together. Any advice is appreciated. I was planning to use a beer-bottle cap coated in petroleum jelly to make a mold for the magnets housing. I will probably make these joints with milluput and green stuff for strength. Possibly hot-glue reinforced with wire instead to save a bit of money. Would I be able to do something with sprues? I'll have to ponder that for a bit; I can't imagine super glue being able to last under the magnets strength. Remember that I plan to use more than one magnet for these connections. It may be possible to use the bigger magnets, but those things make my computer extremely nervous.
Most of what you see in this latest picture IS NOT going to form the final surface of the model. I may even use layer of foundation paint to further sculpt the model.
Here are some better pictures with a bit of posing to get the essence of the pose across. We shall see how the blue wash ends up on the dried glue. So far I think it is soaking up a bit of the wash. I may dip the model in a diluted mix of some cheap inks to get some base tones soaked in before I make too many decisions about the final paint scheme.
I have begun to reinforce the hand with coated paperclips. I need to figure out the mechanical aspects of the magnet connections. I need to sculpt both arms, shoulders, and each head individually or I will be forced to cut the model up to make it adjustable. I am aiming for a minimum of 2 options for each piece, all of which fit in with the model in at least 3 different positions. For now I will make right giant arm, one "tape-worm" head, one left shoulder with armor, one demonic blade, and one demonic cannon. As soon as my green stuff arrives I can begin sculpting the details and forming the skin.
My base will be extended to fit into whatever role (and specific GW game) this monster takes part in. I know it looks a lot smaller than some of you may have originally envisioned; this is just to make sure the model doesn't end up as a paperweight. The "air-drying" clay seems to do particularly well at making light weight (actually pretty heavy, but lighter than milliput I would think) bases and terrain. At under 1$ per pound you can make as many bases and pieces of terrain that a full month would allow. Decorate your tables mainly with it, and DO NOT use this material with anything besides itself while it's drying. It shrinks quite a bit (the opposite of milliput) when drying and because of this lends itself to being watered down, in order to achieve an even mix w/o any air pockets. Take some time to look up techniques in sculpting clay. I believe their are quite a few related videos on you-tube that can show you at least the basic techniques. A lot of these techniques are universally used for all sculpting materials in some way.
I have come up with the idea of making this monster some kind of harvester of body parts. The claws on the big right arm will be giant syringes pumping fluid through the wire I have used to reinforce the hand. The sword/ gun arm will have a surgical nature to it, and the guts will be infested with tiny demonic robots and random weapons attached to spindly mechanical arms that have forced their way out of the torso. The "skin" will take the form of a patchwork skin cloak that is hooked into the exposed muscle and bone. Somewhere along the line I may convert a space marine or something so it displays the patchwork skin-cloak actually being created. Of course the space marine will still be fighting as he is pulled apart methodically. The head should work very well in this concept so I will probably keep that as it is. If I feel like getting fancy I will make the rest of the base a rip in the warp and have plague bearers crawling out along with all sorts of other madness. I will have the rip be placed like a mirror would so the monster looks like its emerging from thin air.
Yah, I vote for a connection with Nurgle. Or better, why not say it IS Nurgle? How much is a Nurgle model, anyway? Probably a couple'a hundred dollars. When done, you could slather basing material (you know, that fake shrub stuff) all over it, like in the armpit area, on the back, etc. I saw this done in a WD for Nurgle and it sure looked appropriately disgusting to me!
Yah, I vote for a connection with Nurgle. Or better, why not say it IS Nurgle? How much is a Nurgle model, anyway? Probably a couple'a hundred dollars. When done, you could slather basing material (you know, that fake shrub stuff) all over it, like in the armpit area, on the back, etc. I saw this done in a WD for Nurgle and it sure looked appropriately disgusting to me!
Do you have any links to some pictures for that? It sounds pretty cool.
deadly chicken wrote:very cool but not so tyrinidy.
Dont think its meant to be tyranidy . . .
Im really enjoying all these WiP pictures youve got up. Bit of a shame about the clay cracking up, maybe just needs layering . . . or a mass GS hiest I know its abit pessimistic of me but I predict a falling off head unless the structure is really solid, but we'll see how it goes
All these shots make me miss my nurgles but they have been sold on to fuel my waaaagh, so ill stick to my scratch built squig when I get back from my festival this weekend
I have worked with clay, doing sculpture, on many many many occasions. From my experience I would be very, very worried about using it for this purpose and I wish you the best of luck here.
I decided to start the day with a present to myself by finishing most of the body. I am still working in the sub-layer so use a bit of imagination and I hope you all enjoy the first "real" sneak peek.
I decided to start the day with a present to myself by finishing most of the body. I am still working in the sub-layer so use a bit of imagination and I hope you all enjoy the first "real" sneak peek.
OK - I'm using my imagination - so it's going to be a daemon with boobs like Angelina Jolie?
Minor update. Here is a picture showing (roughly) what the other arm will look like.
I would appreciate any advice on making a weapon arm. Sheet styrene (plasticard) is my first thought, but I could scrape something more organic out of some extra sprues, wire mesh, hot-glue and green stuff. I want to get some of the brown stuff so I can file some hard edges into the weapons and armor. I have seen numerous attempts at doing this with green stuff... it simply does not work. The teeth will be individually sculpted so they have a lamprey quality to them... ooooh those things are so kool. I have 3 containers of green stuff arriving next week, so I can't do any serious sculpting until they get here.
I am not realy fond of the way it looks now.. but its just WIP I do have to admit I realy love the concept and the drawings!
I will just shut up and see how this one turns out when its finnished.
Update. Shoulder reinforced with wire mesh, then fleshed out with hot glue.
I plan to use this on table-top for WH40k whenever an opponent lets me, for whatever reason really. But, yes "fluff-wise" I plan to make it some sort of Nurgle affiliated greater demon. The Devouring One... Hey, that sounds pretty good.
Ok, here we go I added some pics of the gun arm pose. Just imagine some demonic dakka.
Your going to be a bit more specific than ? DC. I don't understand.
That is good to hear Chrisms, I hope you can start a project soon!. I would suggest finding something simple to start with, like a scratch-built gun. If you want to go fancy this hot-glue method I have been using works quite well for medium-large models with organic shapes. Get the glue sticks from your local dollar store.
If you want to work mainly with plastic I would recommend starting with some sheet-styrene (plasticard) so you can build hard shapes for weapons and vehicles. Plastic welding requires a lot of ventilation, so have a fan and a lot of open windows when you do this. Working in a garage is always the best place to do any crafts hobby.
"Note"
Here is an example of how the torso will look... well sort of. This is a prop, and after some thought I don't really think I should post links to images of real internal organs. Not that their is much online for medical research from what I have seen.
I believe you are referring to the shoulder plate. It may look a bit awkward now, but I have a lot of green stuff sculpting ahead of me. The shoulder plate is going to be magnetized to accept both a gun arm, and a sword/ chain... well chainsaw club to be quite honest. Eldar are about the only race I would feel comfortable giving a "real" chainsword. The first weapon I make may end up being a hybrid cannon/ body part mulcher. This would be in direct homage of "Brain-Dead" of course, and all of the other fantastic Peter Jackson splatter-fests.
Advice on weapon making materials is still needed. I can get sheet-styrene, because I can't imagine being able to make the gun I want out of sprues and wire mesh. The concept I had in mind is some sort of giant nostril... not cartoony at all though. Like a demonic missile launcher, or plasma cannon. The hybrid-gun arm will look something like a super-soaker infested by the devil. Not a Tyranid super-soaker, a demonic super-soaker that looks less like a crab, and more like road-kill.
Before I get ahead of myself with grandiose ideas of trapped souls in a bubble on the back, robotic organ harvesters, a exposed system of ravenous intestine (yes please do watch Brain-Dead, and see for yourself the wonders of this feat), a crushed rhino or dread in the BIG hand, several severed space marines still shooting as they are picked into assorted piles of "parts", spine banks that are tipped like syringes, and a system of organically grown (why right over here, in my garden of despair and unripened tomatoes) weapons of torture and dismemberment; I will need a bit of C&C to give me a bit more of a focused goal.
Working on weapon concept art for a few days I suppose. There is not much more I can think of doing with the model until my green-stuff arrives. And when it does, I can finally get to the easy part. Here are some pics, I'll just keep drawing and posting until someone says... "HEY!!!"
I could attempt to use the Yellow-gray milliput, but would expect a pretty epic failure. The air drying clay is WAY to brittle to hold anything with integrity besides the most minute detail. The clay has become chalky, although it has served to be an extremely effective counter-weight to the rest of my model.
So in short, no I have no material that would really be strong enough to create any kind of surface detail as of now.
The Demons arm resembles that of a rotten head of a giant horse laden with clouded eyes and a putrid scent. The nostrils of the mutant face take the place of two large cannons, firing whatever bile seems appropriate at that time. The arm also doubles as a "manufacturing plant", so to speak. When the creature emerges from hiding it immediately begins taking the pieces of it's victims into it's bowels. The small arms under the end of the arm serve to batter and harass any offending characters from the monstrous cannon and sub-digestive system. Where a fore-arm would be present a grotesque stone like face presents itself in full horror. The upper arm is where the demons victims are first ingested; if not directly through the mouth or torso that is. The "undesirable" pieces of gore are simply kept in a sac where they wait ejection with ill intent. The arm itself can form a shield to block and regenerate even the strongest blows.
It will have a gun most definitely. I am not clear on Chaos fluff and specific unit sizes, so is he could count as a soul-grinder so be it says I. In fact I think the model will work out out to be about the same width, but probably much taller; this could be a good thing for a soul-grinder though.
I did a preliminary concept elaborating further on the gun arm. It needs a few adjustments; such as removing the tusk possibly, and making the cannon more visible and a bit more nurgly. Please take a moment to tell me what you think.
Thank you. I am trying to get the community involved so the model can evolve so to speak. More than anything I am reviewing my design process, just to keep the old-brain cog spinning. Input, whether it is positive or negative (constructive of course) is extremely valuable to me.
Little things in the picture, mainly the gun and tusk are what I would like a bit of feedback on. Possibly a nurgle flamer barrel style? Like it is made from bone and rotten flesh. Should it have a crest along the "forehead"?
Check this model out though, I like it a lot. Not that similar to what I am doing, but inspirational nonetheless. The head is very well done.
So my green stuff came and apparently I missed the postman... SO! I will have to go to the post-office tomorrow to pick it up. Oh, yes fun times to come
"YOU... HEY YOU, get over here so I can heet you with my sword."
...OK... One minute, I need to screw my brain back in. Has anyone ever put the commissar straddling the a tanks gun like a bayonet? OMFG... I have to make that.
"No metal is tougher than the commissar, he is made of PURE bad-ass. Pure bad-ass happens to be more resilient than even wraithbone, and some commissar enjoy making a "point" of this by performing bayonet duty; although he rarely gives up this opportunity many guardsmen have been taught a lesson by showing the commissar what they are "made" of."
I was at the download festival, still getting rid of the sunburnt skin >.<
That artwork is very creepy, all spooky looking . . . likes it very much
Gotta love the commisar way of life
"You will hold the line, no questions asked"
"ITS CHEWING MY NECK!!!!!!"
"THEN CHEW BACK HARDER YOU WORM"
-executes guardsmen and walks away-
Looks like a pretty fun festival. Sun...in... England?
Apparently my green stuff is not at the post office, which is pretty irritating. BUT... my phone company gave my a free months service after I brought the FCC into the equation after a long, and extremely drawn out problem. Hey, not a bad trade... I want my green stuff. . Apparently a single letter is more than big enough or something to be simply put in my mailbox... so weird.
The concept drawing my friend did is finished, I think it came out really well.
My green stuff has not arrived yet for some reason. Hopefully I will get it tomorrow, or I am going to have to give this company a big thumbs down; the delivery is already 2 days late.
I am going to start by making a simple chainsaw arm like in the drawing my friend did. At some point I will make a second arm using the mouth gun stomach thing design, but I want to finish the model before making any other fancy pieces, especially now that I am getting behind on my original schedule.
Do you have rules for it that i missed? If not you should really pm me some so i can type an apocalypse data sheet for it i totally want to! Other then that... i loves it so far!
This Greenstuff is pretty much like industrial strength chewing gum (and looks like candy, keep kneadatite away from children and animals) and is a lot of fun to mess around with. I have color shapers and some metal tools, the plastic stuff needs too much lubrication for my tastes (ewwwww....). I do not have a table clamp ( ) and that will make this project take quite a bit of time. I need to get one so I can work on the other side of a piece while my previous work dries.
Input is appreciated (information for the information god )
By pockets do you mean the ones on the head? Those are going to be eyes, and I can't decide whether to use GS for them or not (seems like a waste ). I may stop by the bead store to see what I could find, something along the lines of a "blind" eye, with cataracts basically. I would have to tape the eyes during painting but it may end up being worth it. I am not a fantastic painter, especially doing a huge eye well.
I need to invest in something to work with GS and get some skill with it. I love the mottled skin effect, it looks totally bitchin
So waiting to see this finished off
Hopefully it's inspired alot of people, your work is superb sir
I like where this seems to be going, and will keep an eye out for further updates, really nice Nurgle look so far though, that thingy is going to be Ug-lee.
I am thinking of adding some sort of mechanical arm coming out of the "demon zit" I just finished. The main "rip" in the back will either be a huge mouth (meh...) or an insane amount of intestine tentacles tearing some imperial guard units into easily digested pieces (). Over the next couple of days I will finish the skin, then move onto the external details (eyes, tentacles, assorted texture, etc...). At some point I will have to make the weapon arm, but waiting may prove beneficial.
I will be adding assorted goodies to make friends with all the SM and IG I can find. For now I think just tentacles would be good, but as I work on the project I may elaborate further on the "extra" arms. Heh.
BODY PARTS FOR THE BODY PARTS GOD.
Hmmm... that doesn't sound quite right? The god of assorted legs and arms? Perhaps the merchant of appendages? I may be elaborating a bit early .
I think ive probably said this before a million times about this project but I REALLY like how this is going, your sculpting is pretty awesome.
Its a big project and i admire your tenacity is awesome. Good thing your from the US or i'd have to steal the finished piece
Bitz for the bitz throne, limbs for the limb god XD
"Note"
I will post some pics with sunlight tomorrow, although I think I am getting pretty good with my jury-rigged light box thingy... or something to that effect.
Hmmm... painting this is going to be insanely difficult...
So far so good, this GS is pretty cool stuff, confirming most of my research. C&C welcome.
There are a few things I wanted some feedback on specifically. Mainly the arms and other assorted appendages. I am loving the hand, but I am not sure how it should be aesthetically connected to the body. Perhaps the arm should be flabby at the shoulder, then diseased muscle and sinew for the rest? The intestine tentacles could be really simple or the could have a few assorted demonic heads at the end of each main tentacle. So far the tentacles will be coming out of the main wound on the back, and the gaping hole in the front. I was thinking of adding some erupting tentacles that would be popping out "as needed". Should wire be used for the tentacles? I would rather not use my GS for them besides the detail, perhaps string or twine instead?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Started to work on the hand a bit.
When I first saw this, you were about halfway through putting the clear resin on the framework. I thought to myself, this is going to be a mess...
Now that I have seen your skill with GS, I have totally revised my initial thoughts. I think you are well on track to pull off something fantastic and I'll be watching closely to see this one take shape.
I just wish I had the skill and vision to do something like this.
Help on the painting aspects is sincerely appreciated, I lack the experience to pull of an advanced paint-job with so much detail.
Looks can be quite deceiving when sculpting. My medium has varied from magma to the pit of hell, and my work shows this in it's flowing form. Take a rock from a pile and add two eyes... I seem to have made millions of dollars with my pet rock. The main issue with design is making it stick in YOUR mind by being "real". The GS is icing on the cake, don't take the previous steps for granted. Form before function, insanity, research and criticism throughout. A bit of OCD never hurt either.
Vision is through my senses, not through my experience. Perhaps this is cheesy, but jumping headfirst into a idea with no remorse is essential to a successful design. Break down your box and take a look at the inspirations of our time, most of which achieved quite menial tasks to gain such recognition.
I will post a bit more work in a few minutes.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have been trying to incorporate horns into this design since I started. Stag horns, like Papa Nurgle. I have been looking through some conceptual artwork, and I found this image on my first try. Perhaps eyes like these would make the girls go wild?
This is not my art-work
These are mine
Oh ive seen that nurgle marauder on deviant art, looks fething awesome.
Ive never really got the antler horns on the older GUO, they just seem abit misplaced to me, but each to their own
I cut my finger on a bit of metal while moving some stuff around, so I am going to take a bit of a break. I doubt that GS is good for a cut.
Do most people think I need some more texture on the skin? My friend pointed out it was just a bit slap-dash. I was looking at some of the GUO models and the wounds are pretty "busy" if you ask me. I actually like the older one where he is sort of standing up and has a weird helmet with very simple wrinkled skin. Nightmarish, not realistic, I doubt I will see my little beasty in real life for a few reasons.
Rotting flesh (without going into too much detail) looks like mush, not carefully crafted individual sores. The infection spreads and the area becomes squishy and pus-like. Yeah... hmmm.
I think you can manage a lot in the paint job - nice patches of black necrotic flesh etc can deal with lack of in vogue Nurgle detail - especially for a model of that size!
They thought of fresh puss oozing over necrotic and plague ridden and rivven flesh is very tasty!
I covered my cut up and did my first layer of green stuff for the shoulder. I will need to get magnets as soon as I sort out my cash-flow this month.
Here is a visual tutorial on how to apply a thin layer of green stuff. I guarantee it will take some getting used to, but this stuff can be spread as thin as butter; simply amazing attributes. Spreading the GS takes a considerate amount of time, and getting a smooth coat on a detailed surface is next to impossible in one try.
Testing out some tentacles on the shoulder. I think something like this could look pretty good. At some point I will see how the GS responds to polishing, I have a few assorted dremel bits that may be able so smooth out some of my errors (oops a fingerprint ).
Was the nurgle marauder pic your full inspiration? Because this is shaping out to look like a minituarized version of Papa Nurgle himself Great GS work.
Most of the work I have done from my original concepts. I am looking through concept art and "inspirational" images to finalize my detail. I am not a particularly experienced painter, so I figure the more ridiculously un-paintable the better . I think I will be able to pull a decent paintjob off, but I am going to test a bunch of techniques on the model before I get to that stage.
I modified the shoulder, mainly because the first tentacle was bugging me. This one has a lot more consistency and flow.
Did a bit more work on the hand as well.
Added some WIP photos at the bottom.
The only problem I have had with the GS so far is getting rid of the seams between layers. I can't seem to get rid of the tiny ridges where I have added more GS. Having never ran into this problem with clay before, I am a bit stumped as to fix this w/o spending hours polishing with the dremel.
Thanks guys, I am posting some pics using solar power . I had to wait for clouds to pass over head at a snails pace, so I could get clear photos. Most of my recent photos have been altered to show the detail using a freeware program called Gimp. It is called Gimp because it is the tiny Tim of the Photo-shop world; I have nothing but good things to say about this program, totally worth looking into.
You know what this guy reminds me of now? A Toxic Avenger Kermit the frog... .
On that note, has anyone dry-heaved when looking at this yet? That is my goal after all .
Started work on a spine, the back looked a bit thin. I wanted to get some brown stuff for bone work, but I will just have to deal with the GS; it doesn't want to make nice crisp edges. I will have to look at this with a night or twos sleep, I think I have spent around 12 hours doing GS over the past few days. I am pretty much done with everything besides the stomach/s and the really fine detail, so far I have used close to 1 1/2 full containers. I will no doubt be ordering some more from a better site in the future. Gaddam this last order isn't even done, come to think of it... I need some sort of long distance poking machine, covered in something smelly and noticeable. That should get their attention... why does this take so long.
THE SPINE! Probably the most awesome looking part to a nurgle daemon.
Sadly Wrex there has been on dry-heaving . . . though im sure if I were drunk enough i would and it would be half responsible for it . . . if that makes for anything
Yeah I will be using this in a game or two at some point, I have no doubt I can provide some really nice in-game photos at some points. Some of these photos will simply have to be set up, but the visual part is what matters to me anyway.
Yes the dry-heaving is serious, and .... wait are you drunk Mr.Toxic?
Any thoughts on the skin? I am only going to sculpt/paint this once, so if you have something you would like to see (within reason) I will give it a shot. I was thinking of adding zits to the shoulder plate, then perhaps adding some armor after I have magnetized and finished the joints.
Questions like:
How are the intestines going to look?
Will there be SM attacking the beast, or would that be excessive?
What kind of fingertips will the large hand have? Perhaps scythe like talons?
Will the spine go into the neck, or will it be disconnected so the seam on the neck can rest comfortably?
How will the weapon arm be positioned? Perhaps raking in it's meal or using the elbow to pry itself out of the warp?
As for extras, I think one or two marines battling on a small scale with the beast, like entangled in a tentacle or something
I would get it trying to pry itself from the floor. if you look at it now, the big arm is up in the air so you could imagine it reaching up and pulling itself up and out
- Extra 'flab' under the large arm, perhaps assorted folds as the sculpt finishes up.
- A couple of marines fighting the tentacles, perhaps a terminator if I can get my hands on one. I think a thunderhammer hitting the beast in an eye would look really cool. Hmm... maybe I will get get a couple assault marines and give them thunderhammers so they could be Vanguard Veterans on the assault.
- The weapon arm will probably end up being posed in a way that looks like the beast is prying itself out of a hole. I may actually add a rhino or another vehicle into the big hand, this will probably be at a later time though.
I did this with GIMP. Wraith-sight I suppose, like the Wraithlord can see into the Warp.
I like the idea of it entering the battle out of a hole in the ground - would be a good effect for a summoned greater daemon. Perhaps scorched and cracked ground next to where rises up?
The mouth will look like this, with a snake-like tongue flickering out. I thought about making it eating something, maybe a pair of Guardsmen legs is in order.
I wouldn't make this critter eating anything... Unless it was interchangeable. Maybe magnatize a few assorted legs like space marine legs, eldar legs, and guardsmen. that way you're not stuck eating stinkky guardsmen 24/7 and if you decide that eating somebody is cheeze-ball one day you can remove the legs. just a thought.
In terms of the beast eating something, I might do this...
Kungfuhustler wrote:I wouldn't make this critter eating anything... Unless it was interchangeable. Maybe magnatize a few assorted legs like space marine legs, eldar legs, and guardsmen. that way you're not stuck eating stinkky guardsmen 24/7 and if you decide that eating somebody is cheeze-ball one day you can remove the legs. just a thought.
I am going to get a huge amount of magnets, and I can't imagine a more concentrated way to learn how to work with them. I like the idea of interchangeable "edibles", that way I could have snacks suited for psychological warfare every game. MUUUWHAAAHAaahaaahaaaaaa
Hi Wrex, only joined this forum for the =I=munda content but I do have a sad/serious addiction now to the P&M Blogs and happened to chance upon yours.
Being honest my first thoughts were along the lines 'oh dear what a ninny...' upon seeing your wire and clay frame base (well actually my first thoughts were these drawings are good so am looking forward to this but anyway!) as memories of a friends beast of nurgle attempt and other green stuff monstrosities (that weren't deliberately said monstrosities) whilst in yr 8 of school came flooding back!
Something however kept drawing me back (perhaps the divine aid of the bloated+slimy and slimy one!) probaly the amount of responses that you were getting and I watched the project develop and the mini (?! Perhaps model is a better word, yes model!) take shape.
I've been slowly more and more impressed as you've gone on taking some old sprues and with the aid of some clay and a ton (prob more like a kilo ) of GS knocked out this fantastic piece. And I find myself going from thinking 'what a ninny' to saying 'you sir are pioneer!', the quality of your greenstuffing is a joy to behold and your visualisation of the subject matter made rotten flesh! Please keep up the good work! I'll be checking in REGULAR to see how old rotten guts is getting on!
I like to give a bit of myself to all the pieces I do, maybe they give me something in return, and I would hope they'd do the same for anyone watching.
I've ordered magnets so I should be able to finish the major parts of the GS some time next week as long as my order arrives on time. After taking a few moments to seriously look at this model, I cannot fathom painting it before I get some practice. I have had a lot of fun making it and I would like to be able to paint it nicely as well.
If all goes well I will have this puppy up for C&C in the main painting section next month. I still haven't decided on the final paint scheme but I have a few ideas that I will get around to trying out on other stuff.
Oh man! Thats looking great Wrex. When you get it done you need to swing it by Black Diamond Games on a Friday Night so we can sacrifice the Magic: The Gathering players to it.
djphranq wrote:Oh man! Thats looking great Wrex. When you get it done you need to swing it by Black Diamond Games on a Friday Night so we can sacrifice the Magic: The Gathering players to it.
I will see what I can do, I am pretty far away from Black daimond, about as far as you are actually. At some point I have no doubt that I will stop by the store, I will make sure to P.M. you in advance.
I game at ENDGAME (echo!) in Oakland, though I am new to the store in general.
I am finally having fun with this model again after wrestling my magnets into place. Phew... they put up one hell of a fight. Have you ever super glued a magnet backwards? Anyway...
The magnets are a lot of fun, and I can imagine a million billion uses for the damn things if I ever run out of models to waste magnets on .
"Arm goes on, arm comes off, arm goes on, arm goes off, WHEEEE!!!"
Good times .
Here are some pics, feel free to ask questions, I am giving myself a crash-course in GS.
I was at the shop today and pulled this up on a computer, EVERYone was impressed. Even the veteran modeller (who can make a sm out of GS) was impressed. I love it, they love it, that ol' bastard loves it.
Thanks CrashUSAR, I am pretty impressed that the GS guy can make SM models. You should ask him to put some stuff up on DakkaDakka, I am going to start working in a smaller scale soon.
My next big GS project will be a Slaanesh Titan, and I plan to make molds available to at least one company, I just have to do a bit more research into what is required.
Thanks Vargtass (what does your name mean BTW?) I like the Cthulu designs but I haven't read much H.P. Lovecraft, and I most definitely should do.
Anyway, I have been finishing up the last bits on the connections, and I will start the tentacles and edibles ( ) after this. I am not planning the project at this stage, so feel free to point stuff out and comment.
I have decided to make the entire inner mouth magnetized, just because these magnets are way too much fun to mess around with. WHEEEE!!!
So what I'll do is clean the inner mouth up with some GS and make it as spherical as possible w/o wasting too much GS. Then I will add magnets in 1-2 places, probably smaller ones so it will be easier to change the mouths as well as set the magnets in general; these 1/4" magnets are a bit fussy to get nice and flat, I may have to re-set some of them later on. With the inner mouth magnetized I can prepare as many types of mouths that I want, and that is great because I had a lot of ideas and I kinda just forced myself into one; but now I don't have to! YAY!
Here are some photos of where I am at with it now. It may look like not much has happened recently, but the rate I can work with the details in GS is next to a snails pace. I would basically have to map out how I was going to use my vaseline to keep the magnetized pieces separate to go any faster, and that just isn't my style. If I can plan it I can learn while sculpting, kind of like going into a bare-knuckle fight with a bear, just remember to bring a flame-thrower . This philosophy cannot be applied to much more than sculpture and quite literally fighting, because dancing around like a butterfly just doesn't work for everyone and most fancy martial arts are provably ineffective... anyway... PHOTOS!
I have been having some trouble with the seams, especially around the neck. The GS just doesn't have the kick needed to keep a nice fit, I may have to get some Brown Kneadatite to make the seams nice and tight.
Thanks Tinfoil, I am planning to add much more detail than I originally intended. As you said the effect is starting to take shape, and I plan to make this as "seamless" as possible overall.
Speaking of seams I reworked the neck a bit so it would sit really comfortably. I have figured out that when you are trying layer fresh GS on dried, you need to take a very long time to make sure they blend together nicely. That is my only real complaint so far, besides the fact that I just don't have enough room to set up a serious work station in my current place. If I had a choice I would just live in a workshop, it would solve a lot of problems .
Here is some more of the new detail. I hope I am not starting to bore anyone, this pace is what I will stay at for a while.
I have been working on the skin, as well as doing a bit more work on the seams. I am adding some gills to the back of the neck, mainly because the seam is being really finicky, but I think it will end up looking quite cool. I will add 2 more gills for a total of 3 at the back of the neck.
Here is the rest of the gills and a bit more work on the skin. I need to get some clay-shapers because I mistakenly picked up color-shapers, the difference is only in the rigidity as far as I know. Having a more rigid tip will allow me to seam up new layers, as I am having a particularly hard time doing so with the tools I have available now. Funny to note that although I can do pretty much anything I need with nothing but a large razor-blade, I simply will not be able to get the same level of crispness the proper set of tools can offer...
I have been working out the specifics for any mods I hope to add later, including:
- the socket for the mouth in order to provide a "mold" to create multiple magnetized styles.
- whether I actually need to add tentacles anywhere besides the stomach "socket".
- concepts for the "super-base" I intend to make, so the monster can represent it's class through it "full" size.
- magnetized "nurglings" that can be attached to the "super-base"
- a smaller magnetized "sub-arm" beneath the "whomping-big right arm" along with possibilities of multiple styles for "sub-arms" hand.
I am currently working on finishing the skin and seams up, which is actually taking me quite a long time due to my lack of proper tools and a decent work-space. Trust me when I say, most if not all work has been done in my hands, or right in front of my computer. This makes it quite hard for me to think, if not work, but I can easily counter that with a bit of patience. I have been hurting for a drafting-table for quite some time, but I simply do not have the space currently to add one right now.
Note to self... PLEASE get ACTUAL clay-shapers Wrex, they will make this much easier! . These color-shapers are just too rubbery, we need OOMPH!
"Sub-note"
The hand is beginning to bug me a little bit, I think it is a tad too large, and I am thinking of cleaning up the texture a bit. I may or may not cut and magnetize the hand itself so I can attach different styles, but this is looking like a nuke onto an ant in my minds eye . I am thinking of re-sculpting the thumb, mainly because it is visibly too large for the style I intended...
"listen to brain when brain say HEY"; advice from brain-sage Duncan the 3rd.
I saw this error when I was making the hand, but I was in too much of a conceptual phase to make any changes just yet.
After having a fight with a few ideas (bare-knuckle brain-boxing ) I decided to leave the big hand as it is, and I will make a more suitable and possibly more pose-able arm in the future. This project will be primed in about a week or so, given the fact that I plan to mod it a bit later anyway.
I messed around a bit with some old school orks I got a hold of, and I made this action photo . The beast will look a lot less feeble when it gets it's dentures in.
this is crazy i wish i could model this well anyway good luck with the teeth if this carry's on this way you should definatley contact gw or forgeworld coz im sure they would make it!
The Ork Trukk was just jammed in for now. Somewhere along the line I will figure out how to crunch up a few vehicles, then magnetize them so I can have options for the hand. My goal for the vehicles is to make them magnetized somehow so I can crunch them up and take them apart as needed. It is a bit hair-brained because I managed to get these vehicles for free, but I think it will be a fun project nonetheless.
I am quite sure this model cannot used in classic mold making, mainly due to the fact that I didn't intend for it to. I do intend to make another Apoc-demon when I manage to get a bit more free time; I will be making something Slaanesh, and I plan to make it to industry standard as soon as I can figure out what that would entail .
Man this "thing" is moving along! I like the use of magnets, by the way. By, the wway if you need help with getting setup with casting gear or advice on molding etc, let me know.
November sounds about right, I should be finished (I better be finished ) sometime this week with the sculpting though. I have a few simple adjustments that I need to make, but my main goal is to make at least one mouth and the chain-saw club arm. I was planning on doing something with the stomach, but I will just be leaving it as is now, and I will modify it later if the model looks like it could use it; this means more magnet madness, YAY!!!
I still need to attain some form of rigid plastic though, I do not feel like working with huge sheets of quite expensive bulk plasti-card. I was actually astounded by the "bulk" prices around here, which were around 40$ U.S. for a 4x8 piece I believe. Not particularly expensive I know, but that rivals the price of OSB, even Plywood in some cases. Anyway... I will figure out what I need to do by Monday or so for the mechanical parts.
Wrexasaur wrote:November sounds about right, I should be finished (I better be finished ) sometime this week with the sculpting though. I have a few simple adjustments that I need to make, but my main goal is to make at least one mouth and the chain-saw club arm. I was planning on doing something with the stomach, but I will just be leaving it as is now, and I will modify it later if the model looks like it could use it; this means more magnet madness, YAY!!!
I still need to attain some form of rigid plastic though, I do not feel like working with huge sheets of quite expensive bulk plasti-card. I was actually astounded by the "bulk" prices around here, which were around 40$ U.S. for a 4x8 piece I believe. Not particularly expensive I know, but that rivals the price of OSB, even Plywood in some cases. Anyway... I will figure out what I need to do by Monday or so for the mechanical parts.
I know, when I first read the ETA I was like "November? But you're almost done as i-Oh right extra magnetic limbs."
And hey! At least you HAVE the option of Bulk Plasticard. I honestly don't know how the hardware stores around here make their money -_- No sculpting tools, no hot wire cutters, no plasticard, the list goes on
Thus the intuition does fly along side the dove; and into the fray, burning upon impact. Such a force it creates does merit the attention of the very present cosmos, the pure circle that continues refreshes my form and the nature under which I react.
I hope to memorize this, and what it may and/or already does entail on which I hold dear. Etc..etc...etc... and so one, and so forth do we continue, and so on.
It is a joke I suppose, but I had a of fun looking through the page with this music playing .
Wrexasaur wrote:Thanks CrashUSAR, I am pretty impressed that the GS guy can make SM models. You should ask him to put some stuff up on DakkaDakka, I am going to start working in a smaller scale soon.
My next big GS project will be a Slaanesh Titan, and I plan to make molds available to at least one company, I just have to do a bit more research into what is required.
do you mean a subjugator? if not check the datasheet on gw.com.
also I think the mould making kit is a serious investment. I use a small mould making kit and pewter and GS to copy special weapons (don't tell GW!) and it cost me 20 pounds. what it will cost to make a professional mould of a titan will be off the roof expensive (for me any way......). you'd have to make several moulds of individual pieces.
but thats just my prediction, i have had a look on google and found a mould making set but it was for jewelwry. there are alot ofmould making kits out there but i think that getting the detail out of something that large would be hard.
I will not be making molds myself, although the thought has crossed my mind. I would much rather have a professional company do it, but I may end up working that out with whatever company would like to produce the models.
This next project is going to be quite an undertaking, and I am switching it for my Wraithlord project which I just do not have the space for right now. I have some ideas bare-knuckle brain boxing right now, but I hesitate to start my conceptualization until the winner emerges .
I have put together a bit of a frame for the chain-saw arm. This is for reference only.
Still have not figured out how to put together the mouths, but once I get the materials I should get the first mouth-"mold" made in less than a few hours. Thinking seems to pay off a lot more than hair-thrashing my designs out ... I wonder why .
Anyway... here is a bit of an update. I would like to know what people's experiences have been with priming and painting GreenStuff, I would appreciate the input.
Wrexasaur wrote:
Anyway... here is a bit of an update. I would like to know what people's experiences have been with priming and painting GreenStuff, I would appreciate the input.
Hi Wrex
I use vaseline when using GS, and so for me I go through and wash it in warm soapy water before priming - which is probably a good idea anyway (especially with the amount of handling that it gets when making it to clean off the oil from your fingers anyway).
It then paints very well - no problems. Just like any other figure.
What kind of primer do you use? I was thinking of trying out some of the Krylon auto-paints I have heard about working pretty well. Something sandable might be nice.
I may put the project up after adjusting the color to grayscale (black and white photos) so the green doesn't mess with the energy of the sculpt. I am actually starting to see green when I close my eyes, this happens every time I work with a new material... but GS is just so weird . I rather like seeing nothing but bricks when I closed my eyes for a few days, same with concrete, but this stuff looks like cartoon boogers .
I am planning on priming this in white, so I am glad to hear they work well. What specific type did you use, I think there are a few kinds. Not too sure about that though.
At some point this week I am going to have to make some time to go get some plasticard, or a similar material that I can use for the teeth and mechanical parts. I have been pondering whether I should put bionic toxin tanks on the shoulders; I would hook all of the tentacles into these tanks.
Something kinda like this... Wow, google hates me today, this is the closest I could find to what I am talking about. At some point I may trawl through deviantart so I can show you what I mean, but I highly doubt I will actually get around to it any time soon.
Wow... this looks really cool, I will have to take a look into it later. I am going to make the first mouth exactly like these, that is why it is funny that I found it.
I have added some detail to the chainsaw arm, and I have a few ideas for the chain. How have other people made chainswords? I am not sure I have seen all that many scratch-built here on Dakka. My plan was to try and do something with rubber, or to find a really small bike chain and mod it with teeth.
Anyway, here is the detail I added. I may add more, like tubes and a bit more texture.
Lol, I can barely understand that ... thanks though Papaskittels.
I have put together my beta-mouth (does that sound wrong ) so I can get this beasty all primed so I can start to get some painting tips ... yes I will definitely still be needing help with that .
Im not 100% sold on the beta-Mouth. It just doesnt feel.... menacing enough.
While I'm no sculptor anywhere near this caliber, Personally I'd go with more of a snarl. Have open space in the center of the ring of teeth.
Well thats my 2 cents... take it, leave it, ignore it In any case, great job!
I was actually thinking of adding a second row of teeth onto this mouth. I am not sure I want to make all those teeth for a shark mouth though. I am currently going cave-man on chopsticks with a buck knife, because I don't have a dremel with me right now.
At some point I will fully stock all the tools I could ever need, mainly a nice hobby saw, and a sanding wheel. Doing this by hand will end up giving me arthritis for sure .
For now I am planning on adding a rough row of around 12 large teeth that look like tusks. I was thinking of adding a bunch of horns because the texture is a bit imbalanced on the whole model, but I will just add a few sores here and there instead before priming. I hope I remember to make a tongue before I paint it... hmm, this gives me more options for MAGNET MADNESS!!!
Perhaps a relatively thin/small tongue wrapped around a guardsman/space marine/ork/necron/whatever to show its effectiveness of torture and killing. While still being nurgley of course.
I added some tusk-like mouth claws... I am not sure they work very well. If they turn out to look a bit odd, I will just shorten a couple or remove them to the tip so there will just be molar-like nubs. All in all the effect is actually pretty cool, and it offers a lot of opportunities to add crunched up guardsmen into this particular mouth. I think the tongue on this one will be holding half of a gaurdsman while the mouth munches on the rest. The tongue will be holding the leftovers to the side as if taunting it's prey. Hmmm... I think I may leave the tusks as they are come to think of it.
I adjusted the tusks a bit, and I am planning on adding some detailed gums and a bit of webbing at the base of the tusks. Like a bats wing, but more along the lines of a lion-fish fin.
I like em'! Hmm... I'm thinking you're not totally fond of em' because they're so bunched maybe? Could do a ring of them around the mouth but I think they look fine as is
I am pretty much finished seaming up the mouth. This pic isn't so great, but I don't have the time to put up more until later. Hopefully I will be able to get some pics with sunlight. I have decided to keep the mouth as it is, and I made a few very minor adjustments to the tusks. I'll still ad a tongue and some edibles.
I have elaborated on the arm, and added a flamer as well as the chainsaw "blade" which I will finish up a bit later. I stopped by a hardware store earlier and unfortunately they didn't carry Krylon. At some point this week I am going to call around to find a store that carries it.
I love how the Chainsword's teeth actually look like... Teeth!
The whole organic appearance has just really come out very well! November is too far away! I demand that you deprive yourself of all but the most vital amounts of food and sleep and toil endlessly on this beast!
my gosh this is awesome, keep it up. The detail is fantastic, the texturing is precise and flows together very well, reminds me a bit of the plastesine models I used to build as a kid, i think I made one that looked similar, but of course only a 10 years olds version. that is incredible, I will be watching this closely.
Half way through priming with a nearly empty can, I ran out of paint... so... hmmm. Not sure why I used an empty can, just got up and started painting.
Anyway though, I will finish priming, then get around to painting next year some time. I have a lot of other things I need to take care of, like more sculpts
This is a concept I am working on for my next project. I will also be sculpting a model for a friends concept at some point; I'll probably post that here as well. No need to spam more threads, I'll just spam images .
For now my main focus is getting at least 5 or 6 concept sketches, for my next project. As soon as I get a bit of practice in with my eldar stuff, I will get around to painting the beast up there. I'll put up some pics of the model based whenever I can get around to getting primer. I might just hand-paint the rest and save a few bucks, as I already have the chaos black I would need.
Here is another concept pic though, I am quite happy with it. Basically, I am trying to making a Slaaneshi demon/ Harlequin Avatar. Something along those lines anyway; if I get some extra time, I might make a Cyborg Slaanesh concept as well. Not too sure about that one, I was trying to work on a dreadlock walker style thing... anyway. Here is another concept.
Kinda lost the Harlequin concept with this one. The face reminds me of one of those fish that live near the bottom of the ocean with that bright thing hanging from their heads.
Thats either total garbage or the most twisted thing I've seen since the Sound of Music. Its leaning towards twisted...
. I am going to try and make something like a Trigon soulgrinder; counts as for either army. I am hoping to cast this if it turns out how I imagine it, but that is for another day.
)... Hmmm. Anyway the green stuff sounds like it has a dynamic nature that can be used in stages during its curing process. Different mixes and ambient room temperatures effect how AND when you can work with these epoxy putties, so I will have to keep that in mind, and employ what I call the slap-dash scraping and sanding technique. 1 part Yellow-gray milli" to 1 part green stuff is my initial plan, the green stuff itself will be mixed with a high ratio of Yellow (yes I know this is getting confusing, think Yellow-gray, and Yellow) part to blue part.
I like it 
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