First of all - this is a serious post on a manner.
I do not exactly know if they are truly associated as a tag team scam party - however - their addresses (which I have on file
Are within a 30 minutes range, and have performed the same or similar scamming tactics.

That are rather sneaky until we figured it out.

They each open boxes and take 80-90% of the contents and bash the boxes up some - then return to the Postal immediately for a return to sender,
due to the box being 'damaged' on 'receiving'.




We have found this to be pre-mediated - as when we confronted the individuals they provided the excuse and provided pictures of all the boxes
as 'proof' to provide them an alibi.

I already confirmed that these individuals are NOT the same person - as I have their contact.

We have already dealt with the first individual and successfully saved over 1,000$ in goods - however we have noticed that he has been playing around other fields.

So if you have dealt with either of these individuals - please pm me.

If you have nothing real to contribute, I ask that you keep the thread clear and clean so we can fix this issue.

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First Individual - went by multiple shipping names/addresses.


Randy Rohring (Original Shipping name address) or Sharon Decker (Household owner) or Tony Decker (Another name on whitepages.)
Farmington, NY

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/14635.page

If you have been scammed by this individual let me know - I was able to make contact point.
And already have contacted the local post master and PD about it.

This individual has been a member on Dakka, and has ported to RM via dakka, thus he could have had some marks on here.
We are happy to say that the RM team was able to have 8 out of 8 individuals receive their items back in preventing a scam of over $1,000+
in Goods. And can assist you easily.

We have also found the individual to have taken people's items and sold them on ebay.

http://search-completed.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ32QQrdZ0QQsassZeaglesjd1972?GetResult&frpp=50&fsoo=2&fsop=32&rd=0&sass=eaglesjd1972&guest=1

EDIT: We have noticed - he actually is listing MORE NEW ITEMS - just recently.

However they aren't confirmed to be RogueMarket Members - possibly a dakka member. Notice - all his items are stripped.

If you have dealt with this individual or an individual from the same city, send me a pm.





Person #2:


Chris Jensen or K. Newman
PO Box 209
Rushville, NY

This indivudal runs by two names, also has a Dakka account. (Originted from dakka went to RM).


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/14469.page

He has had dealings on DakkaDakka - as well on Rogue-market.com
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/recentTopics/showTopicsByUser/14469.page

If you have dealt with this individual, and have not received your end of the trade - contact me as well.

Thanks for the heads up!

NP.

I KNOW dakka members, dealt with either of the parties -and so we are dealing with a big time hit.

I know this for a fact, because people pm'd me - but i'm wanting to check if there are any others out there who wasn't aware.

So whats the conclusion of this since its 2 years ago

It isn't 2 years ago - its now.

These two NY guys are hitting it up.

Please read the post above, or just keep the thread clean

please, and thanks.



edit: IGNORE THE POST STAMP DATE. The camera was wrong. It wasn't taken by me.

I dont understand how this scam works and I havent come across it before.

Assuming I was unfortunate enough to deal with someone doing this scam what would happen, and are there any tell tale signs other than knowing of individuals doing this scam?

I have NEVER - came across this before or seen it of its kind, but it leaves a LARGE open room to being busted.


The way to keep yourself safe, especially against this.

2. Get the person's phone number and contactetc etc. In these two situations - We was fortunate to use technology and backwards reverse trace ip, address, and name variations to locate the household.

3. If you do get a package returned, immediately check the contents. If something is fishy - talk to your local postal and then contact THEIR local postal address to confirm whether or not the package HAS been tampered or not.

Tampering with packages isn't good, and they will screw themselves.

4. Signature confirmation. HIGHLY recommend for packages over 100$. Too exspensive? Well... for 100$+ items? Its surely worth it.

these guys are for real




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heres some more pictures of their handywork
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/chaosauron/randy4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/chaosauron/randy5.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/chaosauron/randy6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/chaosauron/randy7.jpg


i really hope no one else gets burned by this group. i really wish id have joined your fine community for better reasons then to help expose these guys.

Security -is ran by my other mate: JasonLewis.


Here is the intended pictures:

Jasonlewis - where i do know that name from


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btw - good work RM

RogueMarket wrote:I have NEVER - came across this before or seen it of its kind, but it leaves a LARGE open room to being busted.


The way to keep yourself safe, especially against this.

1. NEVER send to a PO. Box. Sorry enough to say - its been hectic and i've only seen scams coming from them.

2. Get the person's phone number and contactetc etc. In these two situations - We was fortunate to use technology and backwards reverse trace ip, address, and name variations to locate the household.

3. If you do get a package returned, immediately check the contents. If something is fishy - talk to your local postal and then contact THEIR local postal address to confirm whether or not the package HAS been tampered or not.

Tampering with packages isn't good, and they will screw themselves.

4. Signature confirmation. HIGHLY recommend for packages over 100$. Too exspensive? Well... for 100$+ items? Its surely worth it.

Sorry clear as mud.

How does the scam work? Why does it require two people?

If this is simply a case of accepting the package, removing the contents and then RTS saying it was never received I simply dont see how they need two people to 'get away' with that, or a PO box.

I would not accept RTS from the intended recipient under any circumstances, if they got the package at the correct place they should keep it and photodocument everything. RTS is for items that go to the wrong place.

It looks to me like a simple case of denial of delivery, receiving the item and saying you havent.

Still cant see why it needs to people though.

Sorry - didn't mean that- will make it more clear.

The action never did require to windividuals. It didn't need two people.
At all.

They each, have performed similar tactics, and are within the same area - however they are confirmed to be different individuals.
And they have hit different individuals.

They live within a close proximity and have performed these scams at the same time.

It was just brought to my attention - when a dakka member pm'd me yesterday that there is a 'larger' picture going on here.

So let me get this straight...these guys are having an item delivered to a PO Box so they can't sign for it directly, ripping it open enough to take as much stuff as they want, then returning it to the sender due to it apparently being 'damaged in transit' and laughing all the way to E-bay?

Yikes. Nasty. Is there a criminal investigation for theft and mail fraud happening yet?

Wow Tesla, I had no idea this was going on, is that why you've been so hard to get ahold of?

Great job BTW!

RogueMarket is helping me with a transaction that I made with one of these scammers.

I was to trade a NIB battlewagon for a primed Chimera and a new leman russ. Didnt think it was to good of a trade but he threw in the chimera to seal the deal. Needless to say I sent the item out over a month ago and in that time he has stopped repling to my messages and I never recieved the items he said he was going to ship to me.

Hopefully we can get some legal action against these guys for mail and internet fraud. Is it worth one battle wagon, probably not. Is it worth seeing a con artist pay the price, most deffinatly.

I did make a trade with Chris Jensen - he is FOW&40KFan on this site.

I sent him an Ork Trukk and he never returned his end of the bargin. So if there is an Ork Trukk up for bid and it's "missing" half of the back or has both a Big Shoota and Rokkit Ork, it's mine.

I have the Delivery Confirmation postage and receipt still.

Same one that got me Uriel.

PM RogueMarket so we can get all the evidence together. We need to put these bastards down before more people get scammed.

Cool. Maybe I'll get my trukk back

RogueMarket wrote:I have NEVER - came across this before or seen it of its kind, but it leaves a LARGE open room to being busted.


The way to keep yourself safe, especially against this.

1. NEVER send to a PO. Box. Sorry enough to say - its been hectic and i've only seen scams coming from them.

2. Get the person's phone number and contactetc etc. In these two situations - We was fortunate to use technology and backwards reverse trace ip, address, and name variations to locate the household.

3. If you do get a package returned, immediately check the contents. If something is fishy - talk to your local postal and then contact THEIR local postal address to confirm whether or not the package HAS been tampered or not.

Tampering with packages isn't good, and they will screw themselves.

4. Signature confirmation. HIGHLY recommend for packages over 100$. Too exspensive? Well... for 100$+ items? Its surely worth it.

Please note that in Alaska, you can pretty much only send to PO boxes, as most postal carriers cannot get to every back street and rural location up here! I have made many transactions and trades, and I use a PO box, so really the first rule here is BS. The rest are completely true, though.

Apologies on that note - i actually got pms from individuals stating that, and thus revising it.

Never meant to offend - it just clearly shows.. i haven't seen all postals all around ;P

in the UK its actually mighty hard to RTS something without due cause. and if its worth enough use the signed for service and make sure its packed as getting a claim out of royal mail is like blood out a stone.

i used to work for the post office-you should have seen the scams that i read about. makes this look like childsplay

I also wanted to state that US service members with overseas addresses have mail boxes as well. They are not traditional PO box addresses, but very similar and the mail itself goes into New York to get on the plane to go overseas for all ares except the pacific region. I have two trades pending as we speak and these are my first trades on this site. I want to ensure both parties that your packages have been sent and I will follow up with PMs to verify if you have received them.

thedmstrikes wrote:I also wanted to state that US service members with overseas addresses have mail boxes as well. They are not traditional PO box addresses, but very similar and the mail itself goes into New York to get on the plane to go overseas for all ares except the pacific region. I have two trades pending as we speak and these are my first trades on this site. I want to ensure both parties that your packages have been sent and I will follow up with PMs to verify if you have received them.

Pacific region you send to CA and then it ships out overseas. You do need to fill out a customs form. I'm in the middle of a trade to a fella in service in Japan.

You can get a confirmation number to the coast. after that.....

Some people think i'm joking

RM - organized all the information - and gathered all people who got scammed information and compiled it.

Furthermore - we have assisted in this topic due to the fact that we have contacted the Farmington Postal Office Immediatedly after suspicion and they had actually held packages from delivery TO the address. We coordinated with all the individuals and told them to contact the postal office as well to ensure that the hold will be placed.

After this - I, personally, used reverse address lookup and managed to find the contact information with both parties. I simply called them and told them what they will be facing - when the have tampered and stole people's items.

The fact that we also found his:
-Ebay Account
-Phone Number(S)
-Adddress
-Name(s)
-Ip Address
-ISP Information

We clearly made it clear that we have excellent techniques on locating individuals.

This was all done by our staff administration.

We made contact point - and acted as a

Nescent wrote:After all the hard work on everyone's behalf and half a dozen long distance international phone calls to his post office, I managed to get my models back. I just got the package today, haven't opened it yet - but it does not appear to be tampered with.

Link:
http://www.rogue-market.com/f4/lord-vercingetorix-2476.html

jpwyrm wrote:Just to wrap up this thread:

I got the stuff back. Mailman told me the guy did not accept the package on delivery so it was shipped back.

Thanks to RM members who worked to nail LordV, it did good for at least two of us.

http://www.rogue-market.com/f4/lord-vercingetorix-2516.html

kepora wrote:I don't know how it happened, but my Kroot were returned to me today, the box unopened...

http://www.rogue-market.com/f4/lord-vercingetorix-2531.html



All others have confirmed to receiving their items back and did not update their threads, however if you want them too, it can be done.

But thats rather irrelevant.


thanks for all who pm'd me information - we will help to assist you.
This is never guranteed - however we try our best.

Language gentlemen please!


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Hey God Emporer, Do you think this scam is why we often see the random unboxed sprues on ebay??

No - unboxed sprues on ebay is not a scam.

The individuals always buys battleforces - and cuts them up individuall.

The battleforces, even if you bought on retail, will ALWAYS save you money.

Since vendors get 40-50% off MSRP on GW product - think about this - they go and buy a battleforce, and sell each part individual, generating massive profit instead of selling the battleforce itself.

I attempted a trade with:
Chris Jensen or K. Newman
PO Box 209
Rushville, NY

only to have it fail as he never shipped the goods on his end of the offer. He did however ship my item back (thought I sent it in a bag rather than a box which may have been a saving grace, as I did receive everything back!)

Lucky.

These bastards almost got me about one month ago.

I requested he send first, because he isn't on my list of successful trades, he balked that sending first wasn't in his best interest.

Sad.

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:These bastards almost got me about one month ago.

I requested he send first, because he isn't on my list of successful trades, he balked that sending first wasn't in his best interest.

Sad.

Which one?

Both?

Thanks for all the pms from people - we are working on compiling it all together.

Here is large portion of the trade conversation.

I proposed.....
Your (FOW&40KFAN)
vindicator on sprue
Marneus w/honor guard box

for my (oldmanultramarine)
10 burna boyz
aobr nobs x10
bits for tank busta boyz and 5 lootas
*****
FOW&40KFAN sent......
That deal sounds really good to me So as far as I'm concerned its a done deal on my end. I will get them together for you and can send them out the same day you plan to send the Ork stuff to me. All I need is your address and confirmation from you that the deal is good for you. So thanks and let me know when you are going to ship yours out and what service we should use :
(priority mail,standard usps first class, etc) and I will do the same. So like I said I just need your address.....I can ship out as soon as monday, I will just wait on you to let me know. My address is:
Chris Jensen
PO Box 209
Rushville,NY 14544
Thanks CJ
******
Oldmanultramarine sent....
Deal is fine by me.

I request that you send first, due to us not knowing each other. This deal goes through without any problems I will have no problem same time sending in future. In my swaps post I have a list of people I have traded with (Dakka members). You can PM them to get any references that I'm legit. Not meant to offend, but I need to built trust. Been ripped off many a time on different forum sites.
******
FOW&40KFAN sent......
I don't know if I'm comfortable sending $80 worth of stuff and then waiting to see if you send mine. Let me think about it.
(followed by)
I can understand your concern....but it was mildly rude the way you worded it, But no worries. Everyone has to start somewhers and yes I'm new to the whole forum trading. Maybe in a week or two when a few of my trades are complete, I will have some good references too. The way Ive been doing it is to send stuff out and both parties provide tracking and delivery confirmation as well. I have some other ways to go, so thanks and I will keep you in mind. Thanks
*******

If you look at the deal it seemed kind of fishy as my side was pretty good and he wanted Ork stuff. I had gut feeling this might be bad. When I requested he send first he pussyfooted and backed out. I sell on ebay and have a flawless record trading online. I keep track within my swap post my trades and the Dakka I traded with. Maybe everyone should start doing that.

Mail fraud is a federal offense and felony. These guys don't realize what they are doing.




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He goes to say I was mildly rude with my request. WTF, I sniffed out a scammer and he is offended.

That my friends is the nut low.

Damn I have dealt with FOW&40kfan, i have pm'ed you, SOB's is all i cna say.


Wolf

I have found Chris Jensen's number -and attempting to make contact.

If all fails - we begin step 2.

I always use my B-Town (578), E-bay (237) and soon Rogue Market References, whenever I am going to trade with someone. I always found it funny, how some people get offended whenever I ask them to send first due to my established reference scores.

I'm glad these References do exist. How else can we protect ourselves from these scammers. When I first started the Trading Online thing, I got scammed a few times. Thankfully either did not cost me much, except a little pride.

I strongly suggest everyone to build their references slowly. Do a bunch of small trades, until you have garnered enough of a reference score. And by all means, always leave a reference when the Trade is done.

References are good for you.

I wish DakkaDakka had a reference scoring system.

J

joshuafalcon wrote:

I wish DakkaDakka had a reference scoring system.

Me too. Aside from BT I do most of my trading here. Luckily I haven't had any problems but I remember seeing FOW&40KFan's post and almost PMed him about a trade. I'm really glad I didn't. It's good to know some folks are getting their stuff back from that other guy, though.

Is anyone planning to prosecute these guys or are they just trying to get your stuff back? If they don't actually get punished for this they may just try it again somewhere else.

joshuafalcon wrote:
I wish DakkaDakka had a reference scoring system.
J

Take a peek at my post

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/230675.page

How I'm keeping my ref's compiled.

Attn everybody -

I got a hold of Chris Jensen - he told me he is going to get back at me.

I will be voicing those parties who have been having nothing but trouble with dealing with him.




Clay Williams:
"He offered me 1 off sprue leman russ and a primed chimera for a battle wagon"

Wolf

unconfirmed lost items yet.


Uriel Flames

Sent Trukk + money (money recieved back)
was suppose to get 3 killa kans.

Thanks for all your hard work RM, its helps to have people like you in the community.

This was not done by a solo individual but a team of our staff who have various backgrounds and ways of gathering information and contact.

I already pm'd all people - but for those who haven't are still waiting, I have a message:

"Ok...I definetly get the point. If possible, can you get me a list of the names of the people affected and PM them to me as well as contact info. Emails, amounts owed, addresses, and which site they are from and I will come up with a resolution by weeks end to satisfy everyone. I have made as many positive transactions as negative ones and some of the negative ones have recieved a good amount of the payments back in return. As I said I definetly get the point and am asking until weeks end to come up with solutions to these trades. The contact info and amounts owed would be very nice. Some members do not get back to me when I contact them and go straight to you guys. Thanks"


We are stepping it up - and wanted to help Dakka out.

Granted - we aren't always guaranteed and will never promise such but we can definetly help you out a bit at least.

There are people who are trying to take advantage of it - and time to stamp down some.

Am i being thick here, but the police are in on this arnt they?

No - it didn't reach that point.

As Randy rohring - has sent back all people items before that step has been made.

Furthermore - i finally got in contact with Chris Jensen and he is complying.

If they both return trades, and items and what not, we can't do anything after than that.

How I got them to comply?
I do not make any killing,death, harassment, or abuse threats. None of that at all.
I simply show individuals that they are caught red handed and that I have all but too much information about them, that can be built up against them.
I make them crap their pants with how much information I have gathered and even found from them.

Information Tech education pays off ;P.


The police was the next step as an ultimatum as I have outlined to the scamming individuals.

perhaps im wrong to say this but surely you should involve them? even if theyve paid back what they owe, whats to stop them just doing this somewhere else?
if i mugged old ladies, but when caught said "im terribly sorry- i never thought id get caught, il give it all back" it wouldnt cut it would it.

from reading the thread i have nothing but good to say as to what youve done-ebay wouldnt give a stuff. Ive only heard good things about RM and this just cements it even further.

I just think as seeing as were talking about a serious amount of cash (i may be wrong, just going on what ive seen on the thread) why exactly are they escaping police involvement?

RogueMarket wrote:If they both return trades, and items and what not, we can't do anything after than that.

You've collected a lot of evidence that seems to indicate that these guys are engaged in a significant amount of mail fraud. On behalf of all future people who will have to deal with these guys, please involve the police.

As one who is involved, I'm fine with getting my stuff back.

Had I not been able to, police would have been fine.

Stop back seat driving and be thankful someone is willing to go the extra mile.

No - i think they are fine - no need for anyone to get offensive.

Lets keep it civil.

Thats fine - we will inform the police of hte happenings. And compile information which we have.

I also wanted to note - the Postal office has already been notified - thats how we were able to hold on some packages from preventing shipment to Randy.

And how we saved half of the packages to randy.

I then instructed randy to go to postal and deny those packages. He tampered with about 4 out of the 8. We also hit up ebay to inform about the theft ebay account but they haven't done much.

As we see in the ebay link, hes still selling stuff.

Awareness is what

I know there is only one gaming store within the proximity and i will be sending a letter with information - hopefully to keep things and the community aware.

Now - we will see if they comply with their message they sent to me.

Tesla, which store did you inform? There's Boldo's, Millennium Games and (I think) Coyote's Den near the three.

Remember how I'm 30 minutes away from them both?

I just wanted to post a tip or two. Going through paypal, is a awesome buffer just in case you get screwed, as you can contest the payment made. Second use a credit card instead of a debit card, attached to the paypal account, as this is yet another buffer because should your sender not send the item and it not arrive at the appropriate time, you can call the company up and refuse payment (obviously, if the item does arrive, just at a late date, send the money again OR they'll come after you, works both ways). All of which needs to be back up by tracking codes or there lack of, with the print out of email/private messages exchanges should that person refuse to reply.

My father has done this plenty of times, with items that never came, items not being the specified item (box of confetti) or if the item was demolished (better take pictures for proof obviously, if its a legitmate company and refuse to send a replacement, might try to contest it). The unspecific item or there lack of, is even worse then not sending something, as its lying about the contents. USPS takes this very seriously and that will only compounded on top of the fraud. I hope you get the bastards.

Personally for me, I would avoid big trades in the excess of 150 dollars. Also, I do this for everyone, once a trade or transaction occurs, have that person as a reference for you. Frankly, I don't know why Dakka Dakka doesnt have a swap shop reference page in the profile section, just like eBay does. This would slash fraud in half.

"EDIT" PM ya Roguemarket, passing along some thoughts.

Backdraft005 wrote: Frankly, I don't know why Dakka Dakka doesnt have a swap shop reference page in the profile section, just like eBay does. This would slash fraud in half.

Dakka is predominantly a 40k community focused on discussion of the game and hobby. The Swap Shop (as it is now) is not a focus of the site and is merely a forum section used to facilitate trading between forum members. Dakka is NOT dedicated to being a trading site, and as such, explains why the traffic in this section is relatively light and why Dakka for the most part holds a "Caveat Emptor" Policy here.

Having said this, if you've suggestions for improving this section, I recommend posting your suggestions in the Nuts & Bolts section of Dakka and maybe you can talk with Legoburner about potential features that could be added.

RogueMarket wrote:Attn everybody -

I got a hold of Chris Jensen - he told me he is going to get back at me.

At you or too you? ?

haha i meant, he was going to get back in touch with me.

Not going to GET BACK and attack me.

lol.

Would be scary... RAWR.

Now I am a little creeped out... On Bartertown.com, there are warnings NOT to deal with anyone named or FROM Rogue Market. Specifically 'Chobo' and a few other people/aliases who I see making deals CONSTANTLY on other sites and sending me unsolicited adds and offers.

Here's the link through Bartertown:

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=86791

I'm confused.

Well, unless they're all the same person and he has an incredible amount of time on his hands to scam people playing miniature war game's - I'll run with this.

Backdraft005 wrote: Going through paypal, is a awesome buffer just in case you get screwed

they dont care unless your item is under a certain amount- i belive its £150.

my gf bought me an ipod-bnib as the listing- payed 200 odd quid for it, so when they turned up with scratches to the back,damage no earphones and a flat battery (in the picture it was full) we were as you would imagine, annoyed. seller said "very sorry, very sorry....dont do refunds" had to open a dispute and then go to paypal who said that they would only pay a proportion and we had to wait till 2 weeks ago (the item was bought last october) to get the rest. paypal is just another way for ebay to get theyre pound of flesh. but i agree completely with paying by credit card. frineds of mine bought a bed from MFI and found out it went bust on news, but as theyd paid by credit card they were covered.

lictors_lovemachine wrote: Now I am a little creeped out... On Bartertown.com, there are warnings NOT to deal with anyone named or FROM Rogue Market. Specifically 'Chobo' and a few other people/aliases who I see making deals CONSTANTLY on other sites and sending me unsolicited adds and offers.

Here's the link through Bartertown:

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=86791

I'm confused.

Whoah.

Hold on.

Bartertown does not have a beef with traders on Rogue Market. We've never said not to join the site (though, we have said to deal carefully with people who do not have confirmed or "generic" ratings), and we have never sid anything negative (or remotely close to negative) about traders there.
We believe that there is room for WAY more than two online gaming trade sites (with BT and RM being the 2 I'm referring to) and think that everyone should deal with caution.

We do NOT speak against the SITE "Rogue-Market," nor (most of) its' staff.
We have an issue with ONE individual on that site. Period. That is as far as it goes.

Heck, on BTown, I myself have dealt RECENTLY with one of Rogue Market's staff members in a VERY pleasant manner.

If someone sends you an unsolicited and/or suspicious ad or offer on BTown, please contact an Administrator there (preferably myself or Porkuslime). Please, do not take it up publicly on other sites.

For the record, anyone following that link will discover that it supports what I reiterate here... We do NOT hold any grudge against the members of Rogue-Market and we do not (and will not) advise anyone NOT to join the site or trade there.

Anyone with questions, please PM me here or on BTown.


Eric

dirkthe1 wrote:

Backdraft005 wrote: Going through paypal, is a awesome buffer just in case you get screwed

they dont care unless your item is under a certain amount- i belive its £150.

my gf bought me an ipod-bnib as the listing- payed 200 odd quid for it, so when they turned up with scratches to the back,damage no earphones and a flat battery (in the picture it was full) we were as you would imagine, annoyed. seller said "very sorry, very sorry....dont do refunds" had to open a dispute and then go to paypal who said that they would only pay a proportion and we had to wait till 2 weeks ago (the item was bought last october) to get the rest. paypal is just another way for ebay to get theyre pound of flesh. but i agree completely with paying by credit card. frineds of mine bought a bed from MFI and found out it went bust on news, but as theyd paid by credit card they were covered.

paypal has its goods and bads as you noted.

Nothing is ever fully fullproof or protected - but i've learned that if you make dealings with people - always get their contact information.

MagickalMemories wrote:

lictors_lovemachine wrote: Now I am a little creeped out... On Bartertown.com, there are warnings NOT to deal with anyone named or FROM Rogue Market. (...edit...)

(...edit...)

We do NOT speak against the SITE "Rogue-Market," nor (most of) its' staff.
We have an issue with ONE individual on that site. Period. That is as far as it goes.

Heck, on BTown, I myself have dealt RECENTLY with one of Rogue Market's staff members in a VERY pleasant manner.

(...edit...)

Anyone with questions, please PM me here or on BTown.

Eric

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/242419.page

above thread: MagickalMemories wrote:
I find it hilarious, being that they are a site that refers to another trade site as "Nazi's" for their rule enforcement (on the "Nazi's" forum, you'd have gotten a brief suspension and nothing more).

Shows how some sites don't walk the walk and talk the talk as they claim.

You're not missing anything there , really, anyway.

Eric

Yes, clearly. No issues.

Now back to our originally posted topic - how are these people using a PO Box to accept mail and then return it saying "it's damaged"? Are the clerks there that oblivious or do they not have to sign for mail at theirs?

Want to keep things clean - and a clear thread for this heh. So won't comment on the above, leave it as be.



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@ iron fist

I don't quite know - but as seen its been working.

Some people thing its a hoax and that i'm lieing.

But clearly - you'll see here there are at least 4 people affected by these individuals.

Chris J - is using po box.

While Randy, isn't.

I will also note this - that they HAVe been paying for postage back. They aren't doing traditional RTS return to sender without paying for postage.

But also note.. these guys live in a town with like 10k people or less...

This is why when I had the Crypt of Crap, I wrote down the agreed models and monies in my little book of evil ideas, as well as username.

More for my own peace of mind, to make sure I was definitely sending the right thing to the right person at the right address for the right price.

Should something go awry, even something like me being a lazy sod and not sending it out for a couple of days, I could keep track. Once receipt was confirmed for goods, I scored it out. Sorted!

........ But also note.. these guys live in a town with like 10k people or less.....

I love this hunt down the bad guys stuff, makes me feel good that nice people are using their own time to try and make everything better for us all - however prevention must be the key in future.

So Roguemarket - what will you reveal next about these two??

MagickalMemories wrote:

Whoah.

Hold on.

Bartertown does not have a beef with traders on Rogue Market. We've never said not to join the site (though, we have said to deal carefully with people who do not have confirmed or "generic" ratings), and we have never sid anything negative (or remotely close to negative) about traders there.
We believe that there is room for WAY more than two online gaming trade sites (with BT and RM being the 2 I'm referring to) and think that everyone should deal with caution.

We do NOT speak against the SITE "Rogue-Market," nor (most of) its' staff.
We have an issue with ONE individual on that site. Period. That is as far as it goes.

Heck, on BTown, I myself have dealt RECENTLY with one of Rogue Market's staff members in a VERY pleasant manner.

If someone sends you an unsolicited and/or suspicious ad or offer on BTown, please contact an Administrator there (preferably myself or Porkuslime). Please, do not take it up publicly on other sites.

For the record, anyone following that link will discover that it supports what I reiterate here... We do NOT hold any grudge against the members of Rogue-Market and we do not (and will not) advise anyone NOT to join the site or trade there.

Anyone with questions, please PM me here or on BTown.


Eric

Wasn't attacking you directly Eric. Just an FYI.

I jump in to help a few members who get ripped off on B-Town and then I have a personal issue on my end, messing up a couple trades, and you come after me like a felon. Wonder why I don't go to Mods for help anymore?

There's my beef, and what I read, does sound like what I posted. I could be wrong.

*Edit* I see my mistake...
Sorry 'Rogue Market'. I meant to say: Trading with that [Chobo] person on Rogue Market. Not NAMED 'Rogue Market'. Sorry.

Lictor...

with an iron fist wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/242419.page

above thread: MagickalMemories wrote:
I find it hilarious, being that they are a site that refers to another trade site as "Nazi's" for their rule enforcement (on the "Nazi's" forum, you'd have gotten a brief suspension and nothing more).

Shows how some sites don't walk the walk and talk the talk as they claim.

You're not missing anything there , really, anyway.

Eric

Yes, clearly. No issues.

Now back to our originally posted topic - how are these people using a PO Box to accept mail and then return it saying "it's damaged"? Are the clerks there that oblivious or do they not have to sign for mail at theirs?

Q:
1) Are you "calling me out" for supporting Rogue-Market for disciplining the user for posting something inappropriate?
2) Or are you trying to call attention to the fact that I said that they over-reacted, especially considering how laid back they claim to be?
3) Or, are you commenting on my "not missing anything' statement?


A:
1) You see, you (I hope) FORGOT to include some text from my post:

You know, athba... to be fair... I can see you getting in trouble for that post on most sites... especially trade sites.
A permanent ban?
LOL

See that? Supporting them.
2) All I did was point out how they claim to be fair, but he got banned for one thing. Presuming that was the whole story, they over-reacted.
2a) You should also be aware that, in a different thread, it came out that the user became indignant with a Staff member there after being criticized for it. That being the case, I think their decision was APPROPRIATE.
3) There are other trade sites and other discussion sites. They aren't missing anything, as they can get everything they were banned from somewhere else. It's a simple concept, really.

If you'd like to delve into snide comments, please do it elsewhere. Contrary to what you may think, I'm attempting to keep this thread on track. Catching scammers is important to sites whose main goals are facilitating trade between users.


As for:
Now back to our originally posted topic - how are these people using a PO Box to accept mail and then return it saying "it's damaged"? Are the clerks there that oblivious or do they not have to sign for mail at theirs?

You'd be amazed at what you can get away with at the post office. Things you "can't" do are done openly all the time.
People ship regular mail in priority boxes, and just "scratch out" the "Priority" markings with a sharpie. They use "one price" Priority boxes to ship via "regular" priority. They open boxes, replace items inside for items of no value but equal weight, retape the box, then "refuse" shipment.
If "properly" presented, it's amazing what people get away with.
The right "story" to a disinterested, lazy, and/or unintelligent postal clerk could, quite easily, get a box like that returned.

Note, however, Justin's post above:

I will also note this - that they HAVe been paying for postage back. They aren't doing traditional RTS return to sender without paying for postage.

I'm amazed (though not disbelieving - see above, re: disinterested, etc.) that a postal clerk would allow a torn open box to go through the mail, but this would be an easy way to avoid having to explain your reason for returning the box as RTS.

Eric

Hey!! i am here you know!!

And have settled my greivance (spl) with Tesla - sorry i should say have been enlighted - learned errors of my ways ....

lictors_lovemachine wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:

Whoah.

Hold on.

Bartertown does not have a beef with traders on Rogue Market. We've never said not to join the site (though, we have said to deal carefully with people who do not have confirmed or "generic" ratings), and we have never sid anything negative (or remotely close to negative) about traders there.
We believe that there is room for WAY more than two online gaming trade sites (with BT and RM being the 2 I'm referring to) and think that everyone should deal with caution.

We do NOT speak against the SITE "Rogue-Market," nor (most of) its' staff.
We have an issue with ONE individual on that site. Period. That is as far as it goes.

Heck, on BTown, I myself have dealt RECENTLY with one of Rogue Market's staff members in a VERY pleasant manner.

If someone sends you an unsolicited and/or suspicious ad or offer on BTown, please contact an Administrator there (preferably myself or Porkuslime). Please, do not take it up publicly on other sites.

For the record, anyone following that link will discover that it supports what I reiterate here... We do NOT hold any grudge against the members of Rogue-Market and we do not (and will not) advise anyone NOT to join the site or trade there.

Anyone with questions, please PM me here or on BTown.


Eric

Wasn't attacking you directly Eric. Just an FYI.

I jump in to help a few members who get ripped off on B-Town and then I have a personal issue on my end, messing up a couple trades, and you come after me like a felon. Wonder why I don't go to Mods for help anymore?

There's my beef, and what I read, does sound like what I posted. I could be wrong.

*Edit* I see my mistake...
Sorry 'Rogue Market'. I meant to say: Trading with that [Chobo] person on Rogue Market. Not NAMED 'Rogue Market'. Sorry.

Lictor...

So, I have two things. One comment and one question.

The comment:
Justin Wu regularly accuses us (BTown staff) of all kinds of underhanded things that (a) we aren't doing and (b) we have proof of HIM doing (much of it, anyway). MY post, where I quoted yours and set the record straight was NOT directed at or an attack on you. It had information that was misleading (granted, unintentionally) and I wanted to state openly that it was NOT what we were saying before Wu took the opportunity to jump on it as "proof" of us having our users (and this is a quote) "slander and libel [him] on [other sites]."

Second... The question:
When did I ever "come after you like a felon?"
I remember when you disappeared for a while, and (I don't recall off hand how many) BTR's popped up in your name.
If, after a while, it was looked at as if you'd absconded with their stuff... Well, you should understand that. If you send something to someone, regardless of rating, then they just disappear... What are you to think?
The fact that you weren't banned from the site before you had the opportunity to come back and explain things should show SOME level of trust we had in you that you'd be back.
I'm sorry you got the idea that anyone thought the worst of you. No staff member PRIVATELY said anything of the sorts (to me or in our "Staff only" forum).

Eric

@MM,

They taped back the box or such, well I dont know the specifics I've never handled the packages specifically, and taking the words from the many who were conned.

Justin has multiple excuses explaining why he's not a scammer, but he can't say anything in defense of Brother Warchild who was one of his Moderators, as I understand, and scammed people.

I just want to point out - Brother Warchild was an entirely different individual - yes he was a mod on an old site - but no personal or direct association.
It can be true that admins are responsible to their staff - but only to a certain realistic extent - i believe.

What he (Brother Warchild) did was posted like 4k posts on the old site and was considered a 'vet' member - then abused his powers and trust and decieved even the administration and staff team by faking his issues. It is true that he was indeed a staff - but i just want to make a comment that its not the same individual as you say he is..

however the scamming and such as posted about 40kterra aren't the same, but an individual who's name is Chad Herring, who is an entirely different person.

We feel that it is unfair association to say that staff scam = admin a scammer - we can't defend Brother Warchild's actions - because he IS a scammer.
We never defended him - he rather backstabbed us - by abusing RM's trust.

An Extreme example (just an fake example) - is if someone on BT staff scammed others and then they associate Lin, or you to be the scammer.

thats all - As you can see we have a thread about it:

http://www.rogue-market.com/f4/brother-warchild-233.html


But we'll just keep further discussion out. K?

---------------------------------------------------

Anywho - just keep this thread on track - no reply yet from Chris Jensen. Seems like our Randy issue is resolved.

So.. Chocobo and alike.. out lol.

Everyone just calm down - and we all good.

If you want to discuss stuff keep it pm that isn't about this thread.

thanks, and thanks.

Keep it on topic, people.

Please keep this thread on topic as it is important to those like me who have actually lost items.

Bad news- chris jensen is bailing - as he has d/c his number.

He was staying in contact then now hes falling out.

We take step two - and contacting local PD now - will be hitting you guys up via pms.

Rather stupid attempt - but we are going to also attempt a background check on his name and see if we can find altnerative contact.

RogueMarket wrote:Bad news- chris jensen is bailing - as he has d/c his number.

He was staying in contact then now hes falling out.

We take step two - and contacting local PD now - will be hitting you guys up via pms.

Rather stupid attempt - but we are going to also attempt a background check on his name and see if we can find altnerative contact.

Sorry to spam in your topic, but I just LOVE what you are doing!! It's so great that you are sticking up for the people who have been scammed by these sad individuals. I haven't heard of your site until I saw this thread, but I am def going to check it out now! With people like you running it, it must be great! Best of luck dealing with these people, hope everyone gets their stuff back.

Dustermaker wrote:

RogueMarket wrote:Bad news- chris jensen is bailing - as he has d/c his number.

He was staying in contact then now hes falling out.

We take step two - and contacting local PD now - will be hitting you guys up via pms.

Rather stupid attempt - but we are going to also attempt a background check on his name and see if we can find altnerative contact.

Sorry to spam in your topic, but I just LOVE what you are doing!! It's so great that you are sticking up for the people who have been scammed by these sad individuals. I haven't heard of your site until I saw this thread, but I am def going to check it out now! With people like you running it, it must be great! Best of luck dealing with these people, hope everyone gets their stuff back.

Not a problem.

We actually have subtle updates = We found the white pages information and found out the other individual in the household with Chris Jensen - maybe his wife.
We are going to do some more background checks and tracing.



What really saddens me, if not offends me, and all affected parties is people who think that this is a Hoax.


Do NOT post screen caps from private forums without permission. If you need to describe it, do that, but this was private information. - Iorek

PM me if you want to see what crap others are saying.


But whatever - We do what we do.

I like the last line - though.

Didn't the same Norseman just join RM? Odd.

Anyway this is what you expect from Rogue Market. People who do their jobs and take this seriously. Keep it up.

Mad Rabbit wrote:Didn't the same Norseman just join RM? Odd.

Indeed he did. Ironic if youve seen the sheer amount of RM bashing he does.

lol.

Those sick sons a B****s give us a bad name ic an barly trade now my mom is so parinoid they desurve whats comin and then some.

Figures the one I trade with is the one bailing . . .

Hes attempting to.

We are sending a letter to his home address with signature confirmation laying out all the info.

Will also attempt to call someone who is local to the area see if he can scout it out.

If failing that - we have his wife/sister/mother - name.

Someone who lives in the same household.

J

I wonder how much merch Chris Jensen actually has stolen from people. Trying to bail is lame when he knows he is caught.

I hope the punishment is steep, too bad this country does not cut off hands for theft.

Thanks again RM for keeping us in the loop, I know all of us who still have missing items are grateful for your hard work and want to see some justice.

yeah, cutting hands off for theft would put an end to petty theft pretty fast. For what Madoff did, he'd be executed (should be).

hope everyone gets their items/monies back.

Did they call the police on them yet?

Why is this been prolonged instead of letting the law deal with them asap?

Rather harder - when Chrs Jensen lives in a REALLY small town - hard to find the police who has coverage in that are - they keep transfering me around.

FYI we did contact police - they BARELY assisted us, if any at all with Randy Rohring, it was USPS who assisted us.

Still keeping on it.

That tends to be the typical response of the police. Unless it comes down to actual money stolen they are often pretty apathetic about helping..

Now if you had everyone that was scammed calling the police that would make them more likely actually do something. Most likely you could be dealing with a small police department that just doesn't have the manpower to investigate claims about something with the internet.

So - we finally confirmed a linkage to Chris Jensen and Randy Rohring - however Randy isn't playing along.

"He WAS JUST a co-worker. Last i knew he was going through a divorce and I have no contact or idea as I mentioned he WAS a co-worker. ALSO I MENTIONED I AM NOT Chris Jensen so please stop refering to me as him and accussing me. I already told you I AM working on taking care of my past and don't want a future like that. Everything was fine, I was working with people and doing the right thing and now this. I DON'T NEED THIS NOW. Last contact info I had was he lived in rushville and his old number. I don't have a new number. So there is no way for me to contact him. Call the old number, you got my unlisted number so find his home number and call that."

Going to nail both of them together - they have joint venture on jacking.

This is awesome that you guys have been able to narrow the scam down and that you are on the verge of catching these guys. It's like a movie, all we need now is a "Dakka/RM" production team to create, "Scam Fail-The Movie". Dogma could do the stunts, Frazzeled could be the grizzled cop, and Nurglicth could play the love interest.

Good luck in getting them Roguemarket.

And Gwar! could be the ever-so-wiley Randy.

Hey RM, took the liberty to inform the mods here on Dakka about these two (assuming they don't already know), and just to watch their activity. It sounds like you've almost got the cat in the bag here, but an extra set of eyes and ears never hurts.

Almost.

I'm demanding Randy - since he wont give us his contact information - tell me specifically where they worked previously, and i would contact the employer for information.

Chris Jensen is trying to run off the radar - and Randy rohring thinks that he can cover his friend's butt up.

We verified their connection when they traded feedback with each other, live 25 minutes away and lastly -

What I plan to do is call all NY gaming centers as well and give them a notice.

What is Chris Jensen going to do - report me for putting the truth of his scams? Good - I'd be able to get in touch with him then and lead the people to him ;P.

Its been rather complicated situation but with a hard hand a big stick - things can happen.

Randy - got scared because we found his unlisted home phone number through the use of information technology - he knew we found him.

Chris, on the other hand - we found his cell number - which he disconnected intentionally and trying to make a run for it.

yep.....

redstarone wrote:

Mad Rabbit wrote:Didn't the same Norseman just join RM? Odd.

Indeed he did. Ironic if youve seen the sheer amount of RM bashing he does.

lol.

He didn't seem to like you that much either.

RogueMarket wrote:Almost.

(...)

What is Chris Jensen going to do - report me for putting the truth of his scams? Good - I'd be able to get in touch with him then and lead the people to him ;P.

(...)

He'll call Chris Hansen of "to catch a predator" fame and scam them.

If you really want to have a bit of fun, don't forget the post master general and the state's attourney. They get a bit of a kick out of these deals.

RM, when you get around to visiting the stores, see if you can find some some face-shots of the guilty parties and turn them into a few posters listing their info. That way, they'll have to steer clear of every hobby shop in NY State if they don't want Law Enforcement catching up with them. If it isn't a victim that's going to call the police on them, it's a store owner who's gaming venue is one they frequent. Just a thought.

I personally dont live in NY at all - i was just going to give them a ring up and email of the write up about them.

I dont know what they look like in real life.

J

See if they have Facebook pages. You can find users via Email on Facebook, so seeing how you've got theirs, if they're up there, you should be able to find them easily. Email the URL to their pages to those stores so that they can print off their own posters.

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Best... Retaliatory Scam... Ever.

metallifan wrote:

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Best... Retaliatory Scam... Ever.

Is it a scam when they didn't take anything from the scammer?

Hahahaha that retaliatory scam is high-larious !

I bet that guy felt a bit dissapointed !

Anyway i hope you geto nto these guys and they get taken down ! soon !

darghon wrote:Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Do you have any idea what you have done? I couldn't get back to work till I finished every page. I miss my times in the SA forums.

with an iron fist wrote:

metallifan wrote:

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Best... Retaliatory Scam... Ever.

Is it a scam when they didn't take anything from the scammer?

They made him pay $550 US for freight... For a 3 Ring with drawing and old Keys on it XD

Disappointing, I know the area to, have relatives there, will have to inform them of the up and up, as my cousin plays... Wonder if he knows either of these two...

metallifan wrote:

with an iron fist wrote:

metallifan wrote:

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Best... Retaliatory Scam... Ever.

Is it a scam when they didn't take anything from the scammer?

They made him pay $550 US for freight... For a 3 Ring with drawing and old Keys on it XD

And it cost him about $80 to ship that 3-ring with drawing and old keys on it! heh.

with an iron fist wrote:

metallifan wrote:

with an iron fist wrote:

metallifan wrote:

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of p-p-p-powerbook?

Best... Retaliatory Scam... Ever.

Is it a scam when they didn't take anything from the scammer?

They made him pay $550 US for freight... For a 3 Ring with drawing and old Keys on it XD

And it cost him about $80 to ship that 3-ring with drawing and old keys on it! heh.

From what I understand, the scammer covered ALL freight and shipping charges. So no, it didn't cost him a penny. And even so, I'd pay 80 bucks if it meant a scammer lost $550 +

metallifan wrote:

with an iron fist wrote:
And it cost him about $80 to ship that 3-ring with drawing and old keys on it! heh.

From what I understand, the scammer covered ALL freight and shipping charges. So no, it didn't cost him a penny. And even so, I'd pay 80 bucks if it meant a scammer lost $550 +

It cost the "counter-scammer" somewhere between $80 and $100 (all of which had been donated by people who wanted to see the action go down). If you want to read the post about it over at zug.com, it's there and it's almost as funny as the one where people pretended to be Michael Jackson, complete with a legit credit card.

So yes, it did cost him something - out of his donations.

the following link will take everyone to my recent contact with chrisjensen.

http://www.rogue-market.com/f4/my-contacts-scammer-3549.html#post24196

It cost the "counter-scammer" somewhere between $80 and $100 (all of which had been donated by people who wanted to see the action go down). If you want to read the post about it over at zug.com, it's there and it's almost as funny as the one where people pretended to be Michael Jackson, complete with a legit credit card.

As I said, even so I'd pay $80 just to see, or at least imagine the utter expression of WTFness on the original scammer's face when he opened that box to see his p-p-p-POWERBOOK

Looks like Handy Dandy Randy - communicated with Chris Jensen about his inevitable fate.

So he finally budges -

Jason,
As of this date 6/26/09 all trades have been either resloved or are in the final stages of being resolved. By this I mean they have already received their items or payments were sent this week. As for your nasty and harrassing threats....I have saved all your messages. This includes all threats and derogatory things you have said. Please watch what you say about me and what you will do. I have complied with all deals I have made and if it took longer for some people to get some of the stuff then I guess that is unfortunate. As for some trades that people claim that they have not gotten what they agreed on, you should consider the jump on board angle. Some of these deals that were either on rogue market or Dakka Dakka where people claim they sent this or that and were supposed to get this or that are unsubstanciated. I made some deals with people and never got a thing in return from them. Its popular to jump on board whe someone is down. So what I'm trying to say is calm down and lets see the receipts from these people that say I have gotten stuff from them. Because I keep everything including my delivery confirmation and money order receipts. If you are still unsatisfied and have questions, feel free to contact me at this email. I check it 1 or 2 times a week and will no longer be checking rogue or dakka for messages. I don't like the way you handled things...IE posting personal info on your site. This allows other people to jump on board when they have no deal with me and claim things that arent true.
Chris J

All scammed parties - can you confirm if you recieved your items back?

Thanks all

I have not received the Ork Trukk back yet. I did get my $30 though, since it was through paypal.

At least we are making progress on the return - its a step and we are continually pursuing to ensure that all parties have recieved their end.

Go Tesla go!! - something back is better than nothing.

What i want to know is that your claim was that they looted 80 -90% of goods received - have they actually said "yes we did" or are they saying something different??


Automatically Appended Next Post:
...Tesla is the God Emporer at RM, he's a really good guy. unfortunately he has some not so great subordintates..

On phone - Randy admitted that he tried to 'Take advantage of the system" - and the fact that they traded ratings proves it.

But their super willingness to cooperate - after we caught them - already proves it.

They of course deny it.

If i were them... (which im not) If i said look i will sort all this out, but i have no money and it will take some time to refund etc .............. How would you except this??

I am hoping they are reading .......... just pay people back!!


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You know they will be reading

with an iron fist wrote:

redstarone wrote:

Mad Rabbit wrote:Didn't the same Norseman just join RM? Odd.

Indeed he did. Ironic if youve seen the sheer amount of RM bashing he does.

lol.

He didn't seem to like you that much either.

Nope he doesnt.

Why you may ask, well its simple. I work at RM so that makes me "bad" too in his eyes.

redstarone ......

You were the [naughty bit removed] that stopped me from being reinstated to RM despite Telsa's request........

And why .......... because you lied to get me banned and could not back up your lies ........

Sorry im off topic but this guy is a [naughty bit removed], anyway back to scammers.......

this has been deleted by me as it should have been sent directly . my apologies to tesla.
-Rod

Tesla - The God of RM said that for all my sins (i did sin) i could not be let back in unless his suboridates said so .... The guy that is posting here as RM is Tesla and seems a very nice guy unfortunately it seems he is not all powerful and his lier buddys make his decision for him.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I apologised to Jason
I apologised to Muller
I apologised to RM forum

But ....redstarone decided to make up a lie - and redstarone got me banned, can redstarone prove his lie ?? Of course he can'tt

IF THERE IS ONE THING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS THIS THREAD IS TRUTH!!!! sorry for shouting

yeah athba , but please just send me tells about it. like to blow steam too. but this is as far as i want to take it in open forums.
Tesla is a nice guy. who would go to such length to bring prosecution to on behalf of someone else. and i understand your frustration athba, i am going through it.....but hey we got dakkadakka still.

I didnt ban Abtha. Another admin did.

Abtha never apologized to anyone.

Can we please stay on topic here?

Yeah Tesla is great and we all support him in this purge against scammers, however i got taken away by the miss-use of power by his staff.

But to re-iterate - Go Tesla Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yeah Tesla is great and we all support him in this purge against scammers, however i got taken away by the miss-use of power by his staff.

But to re-iterate - Go Tesla Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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redstarone

Tesla let me back into RM - YOU with your lies prevented this.

I apologised in full - ask Tesla

Lets stay on topic eh?

WHOA!

Time to keep this thread on topic before posts get deleted, threads get locked and users get posting privileges suspended.

OK?

Alpharius - please do not lock the thread.

Please conduct adminstrative action - however keep the topic - as over 5+ affected parties have been scammed.

Just remove the off topic issues above?

Thanks.

These guys are seriously digging themselves a hole as tampering with mail is not a light matter. I work for UPS and a guy was tampering people's packages and he ate a fine of 250,000$ plus 10 months in jail PLUS community service of some obscure amount. Tampering with the post office is 10 times more serious as it is considered a federal offense against the government and could land these buckos in boat loads of jail time amongst other things. This is assuming you get enough people to make a big enough issue with it with the gov. which seems like a good next step since so many of you are effected.

I totally agree with you KingKondo. This group is rotten to the core and continues to deny any wrong doing. I think that affected members should all contact the USPS and put them on the case. I believe this is the only way we will see any results.

that IS the only way to see results involving the cops.

The police can take action if the victims call. They can't do much if an unaffected third party is calling to complain about something they weren't actually physical witnesses to.

Minor update:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=eaglesjd1972&ftab=AllFeedback&sspagename=VIP:feedback


This is the CONFIRMED ebay account to Randy Rohring/Sharon Decker.

I contacted a previous buyer to ask about the address - and was told the exact same one.





Did anyone lose any flames of war stuff?

This ebayer currently has flames of was stuff up for bid. I see he has not included any photos of the stuff. Did anyone here get flames of war stuff taken from them?

I guess we'll just have to track his bids and warn anyone that's done business about him as to his background and affiliation with Chris.

Quick (non-confrontational) question.
Obviously, you guys have been putting some hours in on this. I've read everything over, and I have a question I can't answer. Either the information's not in the thread, or I overlooked it.

What proof do you have that they're working together as a group?
I saw the idea tossed about early on, then denied as unproven, but recently returned. I've seen some circumstancial evidence of it, but nothing solid.
I mean, there are things you KNOW and things you "know."
I "knew" Obama was going to win the presidency, but I didn't KNOW it (Make sense on how I mean the difference? I hope so).

Anyway, do you KNOW or "know" that they're working together? If you KNOW it, please tell us how.

Eric



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metallifan wrote:I guess we'll just have to track his bids and warn anyone that's done business about him as to his background and affiliation with Chris.

That can't be done anymore. The ID's of the bidders are shielded by randomly generated character strings. We've no way of knowing how to reach the people bidding on his current auctions.

Eric

Will do - its within emails - and will provide information on how they are linked.

Off to somewhere atm - however I'll just show the proof behind it all.

Which isn't taken in any offense at all.

I will confirm - they are NOT the same person - I've spoken to each before on the phone.

Also confirmed that they ARE indeed actually different individuals that are real - based on our name lookup.

But even so - quite simply linked or not - we are still dealing with two scammers.

Even if they aren't linked - it is still a matter at hand regardless.

Right?

But they are linked.

Even if they aren't linked - it is still a matter at hand regardless.

Right?

You are correct.

Regardless of our personal diferences, you know enough of me to know that I take scams and dishonesty seriously.

I was simply asking for the sake of clarification and from curiosity.

Eric

Any updates on the Chris Jensen side? I know last you said he was trying to worm his way out of any responsibility.

My vote is we just turn his sorry arse over to the police and be done with it.

Rabbit hunt anyone ?

Torches pitch forks that kinda thing haha,

Anyway back on topic, any news on this yellow bellied SoB

MagickalMemories wrote:

Even if they aren't linked - it is still a matter at hand regardless.

Right?

(...)
I was simply asking for the sake of clarification and from curiosity.
(...)
Eric

It's really all Old Man Ultramarine using the word "these" that caused a tremor in the warp making people THINK there was a definitive connection for HE IS REALLY A PSYKER!

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:These bastards almost got me about one month ago.

I requested he send first, because he isn't on my list of successful trades, he balked that sending first wasn't in his best interest.

Sad.

"These..."

RogueMarket wrote:
(...)
We verified their connection when they traded feedback with each other, live 25 minutes away and lastly -
(...)

And maybe this says they know eachother. Where is this feedback is the question. Rogue Market I suppose?

metallifan wrote:
As I said

Hm, first time I've seen "I" substituted for "you".

with an iron fist wrote:

RogueMarket wrote:
(...)
We verified their connection when they traded feedback with each other, live 25 minutes away and lastly -
(...)

And maybe this says they know eachother. Where is this feedback is the question. Rogue Market I suppose?

True, Steven... but I never questioned that they knew each other. The information given substantiated that statement. I was merely inquiring on whether or not they were able to be proven -at this point- to be working in tandem. It appears as if the proof is circumstantial, at best (which is not to say that means they aren't/weren't... just that it's only circumstantial proof).

According to the information Justin posted, those references had been posted on roguemarket. I wouldn't know, as I have not been there to check.
I don't see any reason why Justin would lie, though, when it would be so easy to prove that he was, indeed, lying.

Eric

with an iron fist wrote:

metallifan wrote:
As I said

Hm, first time I've seen "I" substituted for "you".

metallifan wrote:
And even so, I'd pay 80 bucks if it meant a scammer lost $550 +

Or maybe I missed something... Hmm... Nope.

Anyway, might be good to just watch them quietly RM, make them think you actually believe their "We're going to change our ways! Promise!" B.S. and just see where they go once they start feeling safe again. Set up a few sleeper-buyers just to see if they try their half-arsed garbage again.

Just got home - I'll show you how they are connected - in a bit - gotta take care of stuf.

@ metal - yes and no..

just leaving them be to see their next intention is kinda bad - we dont want them on RM - so we instant removed them. Bringing this on light to DakkaDakka - and now MM - being admin on BT is aware.

These guys are not going anywhere, if they are - well I've got their info and i'd easily share.


Dont know if i want to .. setup em up and play ' to catch a predator' style with them lol.

@MagickalMemories:

"Steven"?

with an iron fist wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:
What proof do you have that they're working together as a group?
I saw the idea tossed about early on, then denied as unproven, but recently returned. I've seen some circumstancial evidence of it, but nothing solid.
(...)

It's really all Old Man Ultramarine using the word "these" that caused a tremor in the warp making people THINK there was a definitive connection for HE IS REALLY A PSYKER!

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:These bastards almost got me about one month ago.

I requested he send first, because he isn't on my list of successful trades, he balked that sending first wasn't in his best interest.

Sad.

"These..."

Or: "People are letting their imagination get the better of them (as you insinuate), and it started around this post. Regardless of the possibility there is no direct correlation made by the original poster save for them to say that the two in question do have a connection to one another so long as the **claim of referencing holds true."

** as kept intact in MagickalMemories post.

Which should've been somewhat clear with the use of the word Psyker, you know - for humor purposes? You do have a sense of humor don't you?

@Metallifan

metallifan wrote:
From what I understand, the scammer covered ALL freight and shipping charges. So no, it didn't cost him a penny. And even so, I'd pay 80 bucks if it meant a scammer lost $550 +

Understood as "[from what I understood the scammer paid not the anti-scammer]. [And even in that case, I would pay $80 to see someone lose $550]."

metallifan wrote:
Or maybe I missed something... Hmm... Nope.

If "and even so" is synonymous with "regardless of the case" then I can definitely see I err'd - otherwise yes, you did miss something.

@ RogueMarket

please don't Chris Hansen people. That guy violates so many laws that I'm surprised any of the people he "catches" are handled.

I think the most important thing is that now all the different trading forums now know about these guys. It is in our power as a community of gamers to blacklist especially bad people from our sites. Personally I am glad to see members from Dakka, Bartertown, and Rogue-Market all participating in this thread. Communication is our number one tool to deal with situations like this.

with an iron fist wrote:@MagickalMemories:

"Steven"?

I'm sorry... aren't you the same "with an iron fist" who applied to have BCI and I-Ching 2.0's references carried over from BT to RM?
That person's name was/is Steven Kolostyak.
If it's coincidental that you share the same user name, I apologize in advance for my assumptions.


Back on track, however:

with an iron fist wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:
What proof do you have that they're working together as a group?
I saw the idea tossed about early on, then denied as unproven, but recently returned. I've seen some circumstancial evidence of it, but nothing solid.
(...)

It's really all Old Man Ultramarine using the word "these" that caused a tremor in the warp making people THINK there was a definitive connection for HE IS REALLY A PSYKER!

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:These bastards almost got me about one month ago.

I requested he send first, because he isn't on my list of successful trades, he balked that sending first wasn't in his best interest.

Sad.

"These..."

Or: "People are letting their imagination get the better of them (as you insinuate), and it started around this post. Regardless of the possibility there is no direct correlation made by the original poster save for them to say that the two in question do have a connection to one another so long as the **claim of referencing holds true."

** as kept intact in MagickalMemories post.

Which should've been somewhat clear with the use of the word Psyker, you know - for humor purposes? You do have a sense of humor don't you?

I'm not insinuating that people are letting their imaginations run. I'm asking for specifics. As an ADMIN on Bartertown, now, it's one of my responsibilities to watch out for the best interests of the members of that site.
One of the ways I do so is by collecting information on scammers.
It's no secret how Justin and I feel about each other. I suspect that even he doesn't think I'm insinuating anything. If I thought it, I'd just say it. I've always been straight-forward like that.

Can you explain what "** as kept intact in MagickalMemories post" (emphasis mine) means? Sorry. I seem to have missed what you were referring to in that instance.

As for my humor... Yes, I do have a sense of humor. It's quite well developed, in fact.

Eric

with an iron fist wrote:@Metallifan

metallifan wrote:

From what I understand, the scammer covered ALL freight and shipping charges. So no, it didn't cost him a penny. And even so, I'd pay 80 bucks if it meant a scammer lost $550 +

Understood as "[from what I understood the scammer paid not the anti-scammer]. [And even in that case, I would pay $80 to see someone lose $550]."

metallifan wrote:

Or maybe I missed something... Hmm... Nope.

If "and even so" is synonymous with "regardless of the case" then I can definitely see I err'd - otherwise yes, you did miss something.

Originally, your entire issue was over whether or not I even said something that had little to no relevance to the overall topic at hand. Indeed you've managed to leave me wondering as to why you even bothered to target me when I wasn't even being rude.

And I did miss something, for which I apologize. And that would be the reasoning you gave behind your rather apathetic and seemingly egotistical attitude. The whole "I'm right, you're all wrong" approach, it just isn't working. Unless you have something actually useful to add to the -relevant- topic of this forum, I'd suggest not contributing at all. Not a threat or an insult, but rather advice. For one, it helps to not have people consider you a troll. Two, it's a good idea to avoid negative publicity so that you don't start drawing Mod attention by treating other members rudely just to try and spark a rise. You don't make friends that way mate. Just food for thought.

People here are going to treat you the same way you treat them. Most of us learned that rule in preschool, I'm going to assume you did as well. Treat other forum users with respect and they'll do the same to you. If you slip in and start trying to evoke a fight however, then others' opinions of you are going to dry up pretty quick. We're more than happy to hear what you have to say on the intended topic of this thread, just don't start trying to slip in rude and snide remarks to other users. It won't help you at all.

Just an update from RM. One of our members has now received his third payment of six from Lord Vercingetorix aka R. Rohring.

inquisitorlewis wrote:I think the most important thing is that now all the different trading forums now know about these guys. It is in our power as a community of gamers to blacklist especially bad people from our sites. Personally I am glad to see members from Dakka, Bartertown, and Rogue-Market all participating in this thread. Communication is our number one tool to deal with situations like this.

BINGO!