Hi guys,

Guess this is news

We are wanting to make some cool sculpting to use with GWs rhino kits, in order to do so we had to create some original and new Rhino Door Templates to do the sculpting on (cant use GW models to sculpt on and then sale).

This is what we have come up with, we are already producing these in resin, I think we will offer them on the site, but Im not sure if plain old rhino doors will sell? They are different from the ones in the kit, so some people may like the variety.

They look very nice, my only concern is GWs models seem to be different sizes depending on the country, its very minute, but I have seen 1-2 mm differences.

In any case, these are the 3d shots, these are some new doors and front panels for you Rhino fans out there, and you can look foward to seeing some new sculpts on them in the future.

Have fun!
Nick
Chapterhouse Studios

I would really like to see a more armoured front panel to use on the predator.

I would like to see panels with themes. Like an Omega theme, Iron fist, theme. Maltese Cross theme. Winged sword theme. Howling wolf theme. Space Dragon theme. Etc. ;-)

i liek these they would work well with arbties, look more hardy, any cahnce we ould get some hooks on the side for hanging prisoner or osmthign, i like what i see.

also ay chance of more enclosed stormbolter turrets kinda like the fw enforcer just wihtuo the big back bit

Give this man a better keyboard please!

Definetly all good ideas.

I would like to use the omega symbol, but seeing as its a upside down omega, i am not sure it is public domain, will find out today.

The other ideas all have merit, we know for certain we will have a dragon themed rhino, wolves, runic (see inquisition), and a falcon one.

If you REALLY want something badly send us a good detailed sketch, and if its marketable to the masses, you may well likely see it done and have a free kit as a thank you!

Good idea on the Predator front panel, it is armor 13 and has the same panel as a rhino...

Nick

The "Omega" symbol is definitely in the public domain.

It has been around for quite some time...

Upside down Omega?

I would be quite happy with a Omega symbol that could be stuck onto a tank, similar to the current GW Immolator hatch badges..

that way anyone who would be interested in them, could orient the symbolt themselves .. upside down, right side up, or even pointing to the left.

I'd really like to see some Rhino bits that modify the Rhino to look a little like the old Rhino – i.e. round doors on the sides, and a front plate like this:


You'd have to make some concessions to the new design, but I think a nod to the old one would be cool.

Scott-S6 wrote:I would really like to see a more armoured front panel to use on the predator.

Seconded. And it wouldn't have to be a completely new front panel, it could easily be some additional plating that goes ontop the existing front plate.

And some extra armor would be nice too. I'm not crazy about any of the FW styles.

Will GW allow a third party to make parts deisgned for their kits? Kowing their legal department, you won't be able to market them that way.

i've been itching to start a dragon themed marine army (using space wolf rules) and went to your site from warseer (before your thread was stupidly removed) to check out the shoulder pads. if you're still doing salamander/reptile themed marine accessories, would the chest design (winged dragon head) from the attached pic be something you'd be interested in doing? it's obviously not gw (just some web fan art i found) so no IP problems there.

Without a license from GW, you cannot make add-on parts, upgrades, etc. that are based in any way on GW designs. However, what you can do is sell completely built models and those models can have conversions done to them. Example, you can't design add-on parts for a Rhino that follow GW door designs for that kit, but you can build a Rhino with some "cool extras" on it and sell the fully assembled, completed model.

That picture is copyrighted to Nachomon on DeviantArt.

BrassScorpion wrote:Without a license from GW, you cannot make add-on parts, upgrades, etc. that are based in any way on GW designs. However, what you can do is sell completely built models and those models can have conversions done to them. Example, you can't design add-on parts for a Rhino that follow GW door designs for that kit, but you can build a Rhino with some "cool extras" on it and sell the fully assembled, completed model.

The issue isn't as simple as that. Under copyright law this will be considered a derivative work. Here is a good summary of the main legal issues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work this however should not be taken as advice or be considered completely accurate. The whole thing hinges on the degree of creativity they will add to the original work.

Another aspect to the issue is proportionality. That while they'd be making something to add to a Rhino kit, it would not in fact replicate GW's original and copyrighted work in its entirety. It is the whole and complete model that has the copyright, not each individual component. There would half to be a substantial duplication of the Rhino.

A final issue is the financial impact on GW. While not necessary for GW to protect their copyright, the impact this has on GW would be considered. The fact that this would help their sales as it requires anyone using these panel sets to purchase a rhino would be in these sculptors favor, if they did lose any law suit.

Their are ways to avoid problems. Make the panels more generic, such that the way they interface on the model is only by simple geometry. Like rather than making just a door with the hinges, make a rectangular panel that covers that space between the two exhausts and has embedded in it your door, or with a door shape entirely new. The same sort of suggestion could be made for the top hatch. Then it becomes a matter of avoid GW's copyright iconography. Don't market them as add-ons specifically meant for the rhino, maybe sell it an add on kit to make modern tank models into "scifi-gothic."

GW cannot copyright physical interface. If you make a door that fits exactly in / over the Rhino cutout, GW has no leg to stand on. It's a physical shape that is a necessary, non-design copyrightable element.

Secondly, GW cannot copyright generic shapes. Round doors are not copyrightable.

If you detail the doors, using non-GW / generic elements (handles, hinges, rivets), then again, there's nothing for GW to do here, either.

So if you make a nice-looking round door that sits directly on top of where the current Rhino door sits, GW can't do anything about it. It's a circle that covers a rectangle.


For related precedent, see the replacement IG heads. They use the same non-copyrightable physical head socket. And the designs are original. So GW has to leave it be.


Physical compatibility isn't copyright infringement. Lego case law is very clear on this, which is why they've been moving away from basic bricks for over a decade.

aka_mythos wrote:

Their are ways to avoid problems. Make the panels more generic, such that the way they interface on the model is only by simple geometry. Like rather than making just a door with the hinges, make a rectangular panel that covers that space between the two exhausts and has embedded in it your door.....

I think this is the best way to go. The panel could fit onto the GW Chassis, and those who don't want to use it 'stock' can cut out the part they want and the custom fit it into their existing model.

Chapterhouse, you could simply cast several Omega symbols, and sell it with the rhino updrade kit. Then it would be up to your customers whether or not they glued it on right side up or upside down. Just a thought.

I've always thought a system with maybe a peg and attachable 3d symbols would be cool on GW stuff. That way you could make the same base things and include whatever symbols you want. This also means that you happen to be including an Omega symbol, and it's not your fault if people place it upside down. Especially if you offered an Alpha symbol and other things along those lines.

Edit: or the post above me could have said the same thing already.

hammerofulric wrote:Will GW allow a third party to make parts deisgned for their kits? Kowing their legal department, you won't be able to market them that way.

It would be very hard legally for them to stop anyone from labeling something "Rhino tank door and armored panels". Rhino and tank is public domain.

Considering we have made a completely new door and panel to sculpt on they cant say we are copying designs or any chapter icons. And as far as i know, noone can legally own a door panel.



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All very good points guys, Ive been trying to get my sculptor to do some icons with small pins on the back so all you have to do is drill small hole of cut the pins off and glue it.

Anyone want to volunteer any concept art for a predator front panel? I promise the winning sketch we produce a resin kit once it is cast as a prize .

We are in the clear on using our rhino doors since they are fresh designs created by us.

P.S. We have to be VERY careful on fan art, we wont use it unless we know for sure who produced it and we get permission.

Everyone forgets that it really doesn't matter if these doors violate IP laws. GW will threaten a lawsuit, send a cease and desist order, and possibly take you to court. It's big corporate lawyers vs. the little guy. They are counting on your failure to fund a defense.

I don't really give a monkeys about GW fat cats, maybe they should bring out their own resin casting kits.

The doors are cool, would be like the forge world stuff but with your own designs, i just want to know how you cast them doors ??? could make some cool armoured bunkers like that, like the ones out of the starship trooper's 3 (or maybe its part 2,) movie.
Or make a "cargo 8", mega.

It's not as simple as that...

Well, no, I didn't provide a fully detailed legal document explaining it, but my original post is essentially correct and summarizes the situation nicely without taking up hundreds of pages. You can sell completed, fully assembled models that either are GW kits or use parts from GW kits. If you have custom parts on those kits that are not copies of copyrighted material, that is also acceptable.

You can look online and see for yourself what people are selling that does not incur a lawsuit from GW. If you produce a Rhino, Leman Russ, etc. and sell that, you'll be sued. If you assemble a GW Rhino, Leman Russ, etc. existing kit and sell that, it's perfectly legal. Thousands of already built or built and painted GW models are sold all the time every day on eBay and other sites with no lawsuits. However, if you manufacture something that copies GW IP and try to sell it, you will be sued.

Judges are known for throwing out cases of frivilouse lawsuits and reward fees to the defendants.

Let us worry about the legality of the items (we have a slush fund for it), and a Cease and Desist is basically a notice and nothing else. We respect GWs legal rights and try to work with those rights in mind. If GW wants to throw its legal weight around, they can try to do so, but they havent, so lets not all be defeatist.

Luckily Dakka isnt owned by GW like Warseer and BnC (they delete any fan post about our site, chapterhouse studios is a bad word on those forums).

So we will continue to ask your guys opinions and get ideas and post our new stuff here and support the forum as much as we can.

We had to design the doors in 3DS Max, with precise measurements like the regular Rhino. We then had them prototyped in plastic and now we sell the regular undecorated doors as well as use them as our sculpting templates for future Rhino accessory Kits.

Amen Brother Chapterhouse!

Why does it seem like everytime you post a new item you're making, you get the "GW IP" slap on the wrist as though you're not already aware of the potential issues at hand? Leave it be already peeps!

BTW, I guess if I want some space elf stuff, I'm going to have to send some drawings in? I'm not the best at drawing concept art I'll have you know...

Sketches help fuel our ideas, so we may build upon something you start with a little help

BrookM wrote:That picture is copyrighted to Nachomon on DeviantArt.

yeah, it's about as copyrighted as everything else he's doing. making a chest with a similar dragon head is the same thing as making a shoulderpad with a big capital I on it, which he does. both are inspired by other people's work but not a violation of the copyright. if he were to make an identical posed figure, that might be a different story. either way, thanks anyways for spending your free time to help dash my hopes.

Its the same shoe we are in with making lesser known chapter shoulder pads, GW may never do them but they did art in some books, does that make it original or derivative is the question.

Hey ChapterHouse

I just noticed you are in Dallas. Do you play at any of the local shops? I would love to come by sometime and checkout your stuff in person.

Neil

Chapterhouse wrote:It would be very hard legally for them to stop anyone from labeling something "Rhino tank door and armored panels". Rhino and tank is public domain.

Actually, GW would be able to challenge you here, because the "Rhino" is trademarked for their particular tank, which you are designing for.

OTOH, If you were to sell "round tank doors", and then describe them as compatible with the GW Rhino, that would be a different (and more defensible) situation.
____

BrassScorpion wrote: However, if you manufacture something that copies GW IP and try to sell it, you will be sued.

Exactly, and rightfully so. If you copy GW's SM Beakie helmets, for example, they will slam the lid on you.

OTOH, if you make completely different helmets that don't borrow from the GW established designs, but happen to be compatible in size and socket, then no problem. That's how maxmini.eu works.

Im in a huge tournament at HobbyTown USA Dallas on the 13th of June Salamanders of course

For your concept art are you looking for mechanical bits, freehand portraits, assorted "symbols", or any and all of the above?

Any and all the above Mostly it has to be marketable to the masses, so custom chapter icons that arent able to be used by larger chapters or any chapters are hard to justify creation cost for.

Well I think it would be pretty damn hard to copyright a:
fluer de lys (Sisters)
Iron Cross/ Cross pattee / Maltese cross (black templars)
A cross Fitchy (the vertical part of a cross replaced with/stylised as a sword)
Something to do with Fists or a gauntlet (Crimson fists etc) - possibly crossed gauntlets would be unique enough.
a Skull of some variety
Greek letters (Omega)
laurel wreaths


all of those are fairly generic items.

Even a double-headed eagle is a very common symbol, particularly in eastern european heraldry. As long as you did the wings suitably organic.

hammerofulric wrote:Will GW allow a third party to make parts deisgned for their kits? Kowing their legal department, you won't be able to market them that way.

It's totally legal, providing the parts are entirely designed by the new company (not moulded off GW originals) and don't incorporate any GW copyright elements.

GW would be ill-advised to bring an action which couldn't succeed.

These are great

For some reason on your website I couldn't find the Salamander rhino doors, just these? I probably just missed it

Our mold died last week, we are reworking it. Shoudl be available this week. Im hesitant to put them up still, if you want to email me an order go ahead

sales@chapterhousestudios.com

It is quit common to us other companies upgrade kits for historical model tanks. These kits usually consists of tracks or more finely detailed parts then the original model has. This practises exists for more than 10 years, so Chapterhouses operation can legally work along that route I presume.

Chapterhouse wrote:Judges are known for throwing out cases of frivilouse lawsuits and reward fees to the defendants.

Let us worry about the legality of the items (we have a slush fund for it), and a Cease and Desist is basically a notice and nothing else. We respect GWs legal rights and try to work with those rights in mind. If GW wants to throw its legal weight around, they can try to do so, but they havent, so lets not all be defeatist.

Luckily Dakka isnt owned by GW like Warseer and BnC (they delete any fan post about our site, chapterhouse studios is a bad word on those forums).

So we will continue to ask your guys opinions and get ideas and post our new stuff here and support the forum as much as we can.

We had to design the doors in 3DS Max, with precise measurements like the regular Rhino. We then had them prototyped in plastic and now we sell the regular undecorated doors as well as use them as our sculpting templates for future Rhino accessory Kits.

In a US court, yeah.

But GW's a UK company, thus you'd be taken to court there.

And "owned by GW"?
Really?
Like GW is in some massive conspiracy to keep you down?

Ridiculous. The reason they probably delete any post about your site is the fact that threads like this always lead to questions about how to cast up resin models, or the legality of casting up resin "conversion" kits of GW models, etc.

Chapterhouse wrote:

All very good points guys, Ive been trying to get my sculptor to do some icons with small pins on the back so all you have to do is drill small hole of cut the pins off and glue it.

That would be great!

I really could use some "Omega" symbols for vehicles and whatnot...

Wow, usually people are bitching that they are sick off the "Omega" marines.

GW has a very large corporate presence in Maryland I beleive, so it would be US courts.

Kanluwen wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Judges are known for throwing out cases of frivilouse lawsuits and reward fees to the defendants.

Let us worry about the legality of the items (we have a slush fund for it), and a Cease and Desist is basically a notice and nothing else. We respect GWs legal rights and try to work with those rights in mind. If GW wants to throw its legal weight around, they can try to do so, but they havent, so lets not all be defeatist.

Luckily Dakka isnt owned by GW like Warseer and BnC (they delete any fan post about our site, chapterhouse studios is a bad word on those forums).

So we will continue to ask your guys opinions and get ideas and post our new stuff here and support the forum as much as we can.

We had to design the doors in 3DS Max, with precise measurements like the regular Rhino. We then had them prototyped in plastic and now we sell the regular undecorated doors as well as use them as our sculpting templates for future Rhino accessory Kits.

In a US court, yeah.

But GW's a UK company, thus you'd be taken to court there.

And "owned by GW"?
Really?
Like GW is in some massive conspiracy to keep you down?

Ridiculous. The reason they probably delete any post about your site is the fact that threads like this always lead to questions about how to cast up resin models, or the legality of casting up resin "conversion" kits of GW models, etc.

Apologist wrote:I'd really like to see some Rhino bits that modify the Rhino to look a little like the old Rhino – i.e. round doors on the sides, and a front plate like this:

You'd have to make some concessions to the new design, but I think a nod to the old one would be cool.

Heck yeah I second this! The round side doors could be put on a flat side panel that plugs into the new style door slot, and would be an excellent item to cash in on the preheresy crowd!

I was always under the impression noone liked the old rhinos... simple enough job to do, have to look into that.

We delete or edit posts asking about casting or selling copies of GW kits.

The Rhino door isn't a copy. It's an accessory made to a a specification of size and it's perfectly legal.

Even the items with GW imagery on may not be copyright protected because so many of GW's images are copied from history there is no IP in them.

Chapterhouse wrote:GW has a very large corporate presence in Maryland I beleive, so it would be US courts.

Except their corporate headquarters is in the UK.
Do you really think they'd file a suit against you in an area where they wouldn't have a much higher chance of winning?

Kanluwen wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:GW has a very large corporate presence in Maryland I beleive, so it would be US courts.

Except their corporate headquarters is in the UK.
Do you really think they'd file a suit against you in an area where they wouldn't have a much higher chance of winning?

you clearly haven't been following GW IP shennigans for very long, THey have clsoed down companies in the US and even in russia (god knows how considerrin geven Microsoft have had problems there) and sued small buisness.

its a very very thin line and i woudl suggest that whoever is runnign this group of enthusiasts to have a serious look at GWs IP policies on their website or even consutl someone you know with legal experience.

GW may never do them but they did art in some books, does that make it original or derivative is the question.

In reality it depends on how the patent is written. I know that Chapterhouse has already set down for legal advice for they are fine with what they are doing. I have bought lots of product from them and have been very happy with the end results as well as the level of customer service. Stop arguing the legals and let others worrry about it hehe. Just get them to make what you need heheh.

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:GW has a very large corporate presence in Maryland I beleive, so it would be US courts.

Except their corporate headquarters is in the UK.
Do you really think they'd file a suit against you in an area where they wouldn't have a much higher chance of winning?

you clearly haven't been following GW IP shennigans for very long, THey have clsoed down companies in the US and even in russia (god knows how considerrin geven Microsoft have had problems there) and sued small buisness.

its a very very thin line and i woudl suggest that whoever is runnign this group of enthusiasts to have a serious look at GWs IP policies on their website or even consutl someone you know with legal experience.

Been there doing that, again, we are not amateurs. You can also countersuit a company and make them come to your jurisdiction.

Why are there so many wannabe GW attorneys out there? Let us worry about it please.

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:GW has a very large corporate presence in Maryland I beleive, so it would be US courts.

Except their corporate headquarters is in the UK.
Do you really think they'd file a suit against you in an area where they wouldn't have a much higher chance of winning?

you clearly haven't been following GW IP shennigans for very long, THey have clsoed down companies in the US and even in russia (god knows how considerrin geven Microsoft have had problems there) and sued small buisness.

its a very very thin line and i woudl suggest that whoever is runnign this group of enthusiasts to have a serious look at GWs IP policies on their website or even consutl someone you know with legal experience.

Newsflash:
They can bring companies from anywhere in the world to court in the UK.
Just like if I were to level a suit against a multinational corporation in the US, they'd be subject to US laws.

Also, spellchecker. Use it.


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Chapterhouse wrote:
Been there doing that, again, we are not amateurs. You can also countersuit a company and make them come to your jurisdiction.

Why are there so many wannabe GW attorneys out there? Let us worry about it please.

Yeah, I'd love to see how well that countersuit works out for you.

Look, GW does some stupid things in regards to its IP. There's no doubt whatsoever about that.
But it's really stupid to act like you're somehow in the right here. How is this any different to the guys who were making Titans and selling them? Or someone putting up, and charging, a mod for Half-Life 2?

You're making profit, unlicensed, off another company's intellectual property.

The companies that make photo-etched detail kits, etc for Tamiya, Dragon kits?
They have a way around it. Tamiya or Dragon don't own the Tiger or the M4 Sherman, or any other thing they've produced to be honest.

BrookM wrote:Wow, usually people are bitching that they are sick off the "Omega" marines.

I've got a homebrew "Omega Legion" army I'm building.

So by "Omega" symbol, I mean just that.

Not an upside down "Omega" either!

Note: None of the following is legal advice for any specific or general matter.

I'd be curious to see how exactly GW could sue a US entity in the UK courts for actions that take place in the US. I'm not an expert in international law, but I would imagine that even if the UK and US have a treaty that governs mutual respect for copyrights, it would still take place in the courts where the breach takes place. Treaties are high law in the US, but the constitution still outranks it, and it requires that any criminal trials take place in the State and district where the crime took place. In terms of civil matters, Federal and at least Ohio (I don't' know other states civil procedure) requires that venue be in either the home district (or county for ohio) of the Defendant or where the alleged events take place.

The idea that a UK court would have jurisdiction over a person not even in the UK seems very unlikely to me, outside of a treaty that would probably be unconstitutional due to violations of Due Process.

I'm sure Chapterhouse has spoken to a lawyer on the matter, and hopefully also incorporated somehow, so that even if GW were to win there would be no assets to touch.

LLC all the way...

Kanluwen,

You have something against someone making a HONEST buck? We arent recasting, if you were to sculpt from hand, put hours upon hours into something and then sell it, and say hey, this works well with soandso mini, who is to say that is illegal.

Hey if you want to work for GW, get a law degree and go work for them, please dont rain on our parade and say you cant do this you cant do that. Where is your legal training to say that? What hard evidence is there we are doing anything against copyright?

Please stop telling companies what they can and cant do.

I guess aftermarket car part companies should also stop making Mustang headlights that "fit on mustangs" as well!


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Mods, can we make sure to keep this thread on topic and no more amateur lawyers giving bad legal advice?

If people are yelling over a legal problem. But chapterhouse is up to their own legal issues - and leave it as that.

Hell, I dont care - as its not even my responsibility.

As a consumer = if its good, i'll buy it ;P.

But if joo really are scared...
One solution in one word -

CHINA

oops.

lol..

As a quick aside, if you want a general rule for determining how little a person actually knows about a field of law, it's the inverse of their certainty about any given fact pattern from very limited facts. Keep in mind that actual lawyers are prohibited by most state bars from casually giving legal advice without making it very clear that they're not taking a client and that it's not really advice on the issue but a general statement of the law.

Any actual lawyer, given a hypothetical situation and asked for an answer, will almost always answer with "it depends."

Chapterhouse wrote:LLC all the way...

Kanluwen,

You have something against someone making a HONEST buck? We arent recasting, if you were to sculpt from hand, put hours upon hours into something and then sell it, and say hey, this works well with soandso mini, who is to say that is illegal.

HONEST buck?
You took someone else's IP and made doors for it.
They don't even look noticeably different from the standard stuff.
Wow, quite the hard work!

And as to the "this works well with soandso miniatures", sculpted from hand for your OWN piece of work?
Completely different story.
That's not what you're doing though. You're selling modified parts for a Rhino.

Hey if you want to work for GW, get a law degree and go work for them, please dont rain on our parade and say you cant do this you cant do that. Where is your legal training to say that? What hard evidence is there we are doing anything against copyright?

Actually, I am working on a law enforcement degree as it stands, and then moving on to major in forensics afterwards.

And where's your common sense that what you're doing is expressly against Games Workshop's idea of copyright, in the fact that EVERY company outside of Armorcast and Forge World that have done things like this have been shut down?

Please stop telling companies what they can and cant do.

I guess aftermarket car part companies should also stop making Mustang headlights that "fit on mustangs" as well!

Aftermarket car part companies huh. Now you're reaching pretty hard for justification for what you're doing.
Do you know how many different cars various styles of headlights can fit?

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Awww, amateur lawyers giving bad legal advice?
How cute.

Sigh, theres always one poster like this around..

Oh yes, you are correct, we got ahold of GWs 3d files and remastered them, I forgot that they own the rights to a rectangle of those dimensions! There go our plans for new hatches that fit on the Rhino as well! Kanluwen, what is your purpose of posting on this thread, besides trash talking our efforts? Do you have anything constructive to add besides your unsolicited legal advice?

Several alerts have already been received for this thread.

Please keep this thread on topic.

Thanks!

Kanluwen wrote:[
Actually, I am working on a law enforcement degree as it stands, and then moving on to major in forensics afterwards.

And I'm sure that's wonderful, but we're dealing with international IP law, something that even most lawyers don't know much about. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would be citing cases, statutes, etc.

Aftermarket car part companies huh. Now you're reaching pretty hard for justification for what you're doing.
Do you know how many different cars various styles of headlights can fit?

Actually, what he's doing is showing how the law was applied to a similar, but slightly distinct set of facts. That is, btw, a lot of what lawyers do with their time.

Awww, amateur lawyers giving bad legal advice?
How cute.

Well, you're not a lawyer, and your legal advice is, at best, overly alarmist. It's not a horribly off base accusation, I'm afraid.

Well fine and dandy. You can get around the law.

It doesn't change the fact that all you're doing is selling a "slightly different Rhino door!"

If it were like the "Salamander or Dragon Marines" Drop Pod doors you guys have?
Well awesome.

But looking through your whole catalog, there's hardly any original ideas in it.

It's mostly the EXACT same stuff that Forge World sells, just from a US vendor. Whoopity doo.

Thanks for your comments, please dont order from our site if you think its all copies. Good day.

Actually, I am working on a law enforcement degree as it stands, and then moving on to major in forensics afterwards.

Does not equal an international law degree....by any means at all.

Back on topic:

What would be the reason for the doors in this instance? If they are just plain doors how similar are they to the standard ones?

Fishboy wrote:

Actually, I am working on a law enforcement degree as it stands, and then moving on to major in forensics afterwards.

Does not equal an international law degree....by any means at all.

Back on topic:

What would be the reason for the doors in this instance? If they are just plain doors how similar are they to the standard ones?

Personally I like variety on my models. So I may put the naked ones on the website for people to use for variety.

The main reason we designed the new doors is we wanted something new with lots of surface area to sculpt on. These are "canvasses" if you will, for future stylized accessory kits for the tanks.

Chapterhouse wrote:
Luckily Dakka isnt owned by GW like Warseer and BnC (they delete any fan post about our site, chapterhouse studios is a bad word on those forums).

Where we believe in Chapterhouse enough to give them their own Advertiser's Subforum:
http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewforum.php?f=78

An Admin at Bartertown has a professional background that gives him access to very specialized legal advice.
He checked with the lawyers and Bartertown determined, based on their input, that Chapterhouse violates NO IP laws.

Anyone who knows about BTown knows that we're very sensitive about breaking laws or even pushing their boundaries.
If we thought it was REMOTELY fishy, Chapterhouse would not be allowed to advertise.

Check them out. They do GREAT work!
...and they have our FULL support.

Eric

Kanluwen wrote:Well fine and dandy. You can get around the law.

It doesn't change the fact that all you're doing is selling a "slightly different Rhino door!"

so if i "invent" a nonstandard door frame size and sell doors that fit it, i can sue anyone else that makes a door that *gasp* fits in my frame!!??!! now i can finally retire at 30! gw did not invent the tank, scale models, or anything in the hobby for that matter. they came up with some interesting designs to which chapterhouse is adding to. he's sculpting stuff from scratch without using existing models. if you don't like what he's doing, save your breath and simply DON'T ORDER FROM HIM.

Chapterhouse wrote:Thanks for your comments, please dont order from our site if you think its all copies. Good day.

lol, you sound like fez from that 70's show!

No you can't.

You can't copyright designs which are too generic to have any originality. A doorframe is just a rectangle, the dimensions don't matter.

If you designed a doorframe and door in the shape of a topless woman wearing a tricorn hat and knee breeches, carrying a cricket bat and ball, you would have created a new work of art from non-copyright elements, and it would belong to you.

and yet someone else would be totally in their element to design a door that fit in the frame with a man wearing a bowler hat and lederhosen ready swing a baseball bat and i couldn't do anything about that.

Polonius wrote:I'd be curious to see how exactly GW could sue a US entity in the UK courts for actions that take place in the US.

If GW didn't have US presence, one could see how GW might sue in the UK, especially, if they got a shell buyer to have the stuff shipped to a UK address.

But having a US presence, but then demanding UK venue would appear to be a clear violation of normal process, and a transparent abuse to . At that point, the US party can probably get a US local judge to issue an injunction of some sort to bring things back to sanity.

warboss wrote:and yet someone else would be totally in their element to design a door that fit in the frame with a man wearing a bowler hat and lederhosen ready swing a baseball bat and i couldn't do anything about that.

Yes, that's the way it works.

Aside from the vendor's rudeness and arrogance, the main reason I won't get any of these bits?

They're not very good.

Chapterhouse, I love your salamanders parts and i will defo be using them in my up and coming army, just wondering if you will be making and dreadnought bits, landraider bits or vindicator parts?

keep up the good work

hammerofulric wrote:Aside from the vendor's rudeness and arrogance, the main reason I won't get any of these bits?

They're not very good.

Wow, I didnt realize defending ones self from bad legal advice and agression and letting people know the real legal rules was rudeness and arrogance.

Sorry guys if I was in any way rude or arrogant


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Scarecr0w14 wrote:Chapterhouse, I love your salamanders parts and i will defo be using them in my up and coming army, just wondering if you will be making and dreadnought bits, landraider bits or vindicator parts?

keep up the good work

We are definetely wanting to get some designed, we just have one sculptor at this time, but they are on our wishlist.

Thanks!

i never said i didn't like the bits or that i didn't think you shoudl be able to produce them.

I personally quite like them, especially if i can use them as adding some flavoru to my arbites rhinos to distringuish them from Marine ones.

I was just pointing out what htye have done in the past.

Also i was wodnering if htere was any plans for more shoudler pads with snakes on, maybe have them so the snake looks like its coiled and the head is facing the top of the pad?

oh yes is there any news on the rhino parts?

one more thing i relaly like the salamnders doors, if i was tilld oign my Blood Dragons marine Army i'd definetly aquire them

Let's assume the rudeness never happened and concentrate on the resin bits we would like to see Chapter House produce.

I would be interested in plain Rhino doors as I have six M113 personnel carriers to convert to Rhinos.

Chapterhouse wrote:I was always under the impression noone liked the old rhinos... simple enough job to do, have to look into that.

A lot of gamers like the old Rhinos, it's the scale of the old one that puts people like me off from using them. If you made the round side hatch set I'd buy at least 10 sets to go with my heresy era Space Wolves. I'd also pimp them everywhere I post even if it had to be by PMing that you are the source.

LOL, well, what else would people want besides a round hatch that fits over the square side door? Same old front?

The old school front would be sweet. And definitely worth picking up. I have got 6 Rhinos kicking around, and I was thinking of things to make them different. Maybe even some filler like the old school sides, the little shapes with mesh in them?


Maybe not Chapter Specific Doors, but Rhino roof doors with Tactical and Devastator Markings? As well as some little resin versions of the transfers for like company color and what not.

We can do all sorts of things with the newly designed door templates, so Arrows are easily done once the time is made to do them. Good ideas, keep them rolling.

Well, I'd like stowage, extra armor (although far less than I used to, natch), and cool stuff for inquisitorial rhinos. My marines use the old stuff, and it's all painted already, but I want to build some inquisitorial rhinos for my stormtroopers (since there's no sense using them in my IG).

oh, and cheap hatch covers, so people can use them with the cheap rhinos from the War store!

Polonius wrote:I want to build some inquisitorial rhinos for my stormtroopers (since there's no sense using them in my IG).

Up to 2 units of DH (and WH) Storms can still be allied to IG forces, at least, until both Codices are redone.

A new middle section for the Leman russ would be nice. One that more accurately represents real life tank dimensions.

Ketara wrote:A new middle section for the Leman russ would be nice. One that more accurately represents real life tank dimensions.

???

not an IG player..

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL, well, what else would people want besides a round hatch that fits over the square side door? Same old front?

Both of the old front panels would be great too.

Now I just have to find out if using a similiar but larger design for the new Rhino would be ok. I think it will since it will be on a new panel, and they are basically 2 rectangle armored panels and thats it.

If you guys are looking for ideas outside the realm of doors and hatches, I might suggest that there's never been a Salamanders Dreadnought from FW yet. An up-armoring kit for one might be appropriate.

jamsessionein wrote:If you guys are looking for ideas outside the realm of doors and hatches, I might suggest that there's never been a Salamanders Dreadnought from FW yet. An up-armoring kit for one might be appropriate.

That is a wish list item for me, so its getting precedent

Nick

Kanluwen wrote:
Please stop telling companies what they can and cant do.

I guess aftermarket car part companies should also stop making Mustang headlights that "fit on mustangs" as well!

Aftermarket car part companies huh. Now you're reaching pretty hard for justification for what you're doing.
Do you know how many different cars various styles of headlights can fit?

Still on the drawing board, its more of a problem of not enough sculptors for ideas, i am in the process of finding more sculpting help.

I think the only ork thing we thought about doing for sure was more 'Eavy armor style bits.

The only thing that is putting me off starting my sallies is the fact im scared too incase your bring out the land raider kit right after i paint mine up!

Heres the list of "marine" tank accessories I imagine would be neat (some already listed)...
-More heavily armored front for predators... based on the sloped armor front piece of the old rhinos.
-The 2-paneled front plate.
-Round doors...
-Sponons... like the original plastic predator, to go with the round door.
-Plates that fit into the recess of the armor that add the meshed grating (more old school).

iamthecougar wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I guess aftermarket car part companies should also stop making Mustang headlights that "fit on mustangs" as well!

Aftermarket car part companies huh. Now you're reaching pretty hard for justification for what you're doing.
Do you know how many different cars various styles of headlights can fit?

Do you? If you try to fit malibu headlights into a civic from the same year you will have problems. Better example try fitting wrangler headlights onto another model wrangler, its fun.

Scarecr0w14 wrote:The only thing that is putting me off starting my sallies is the fact im scared too incase your bring out the land raider kit right after i paint mine up!

Our kits are mostly add ons, you can see the assault cannon or heavy bolter will have a different cover then the GW one, but dont let that stop you, just keep the LR for last

You can see the photos of the LR work in progress on our website to give you an idea what to expect.

Nick

warboss wrote:i've been itching to start a dragon themed marine army (using space wolf rules) and went to your site from warseer (before your thread was stupidly removed) to check out the shoulder pads. if you're still doing salamander/reptile themed marine accessories, would the chest design (winged dragon head) from the attached pic be something you'd be interested in doing? it's obviously not gw (just some web fan art i found) so no IP problems there.

I'd like to buy 50 chest pieces and shoulder pads of this. it would be great to paint.

Onnotangu wrote:

warboss wrote:i've been itching to start a dragon themed marine army (using space wolf rules) and went to your site from warseer (before your thread was stupidly removed) to check out the shoulder pads. if you're still doing salamander/reptile themed marine accessories, would the chest design (winged dragon head) from the attached pic be something you'd be interested in doing? it's obviously not gw (just some web fan art i found) so no IP problems there.

I'd like to buy 50 chest pieces and shoulder pads of this. it would be great to paint.

Fan art is owned by the fan who did it, so we would need permission or that person to commission us to do that chest piece.

Nick

Chapterhouse wrote:

Scarecr0w14 wrote:The only thing that is putting me off starting my sallies is the fact im scared too incase your bring out the land raider kit right after i paint mine up!

Our kits are mostly add ons, you can see the assault cannon or heavy bolter will have a different cover then the GW one, but dont let that stop you, just keep the LR for last

You can see the photos of the LR work in progress on our website to give you an idea what to expect.

Nick

Fantastic! anything planned for those side sponsons? Like any flamestorm cannon bits?

cheers

Ummm yeah, but im in the dark about what they look like until they are shipped to me in a couple of weeks or so


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Scarecr0w14 wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:

Scarecr0w14 wrote:The only thing that is putting me off starting my sallies is the fact im scared too incase your bring out the land raider kit right after i paint mine up!

Our kits are mostly add ons, you can see the assault cannon or heavy bolter will have a different cover then the GW one, but dont let that stop you, just keep the LR for last

You can see the photos of the LR work in progress on our website to give you an idea what to expect.

Nick

Fantastic! anything planned for those side sponsons? Like any flamestorm cannon bits?

cheers

I'm just (not so) silently hoping for those neat cathedral shoulder pads to be made for terminators.

You guys do some great work, I'll be looking forward to your rhino doors in the future as well.

Nuwisha wrote:I'm just (not so) silently hoping for those neat cathedral shoulder pads to be made for terminators.

You guys do some great work, I'll be looking forward to your rhino doors in the future as well.

Cathedral? You lost me...

Just wondering if you do any comission work? 'cause i've been looking for someone to do me some space marine helmets with predator-like dreadlocks coming out of them and also some Black templar helmets like they have in the concept art aswell aswell. If not, do you know anyone who could do work like this for me?

We can do commission work, we are just booked up at the moment. Send me an email to nick@chapterhousestudios.com and we can discuss the details.

Thanks
Nick

I'd love to see stowage bits for a leman russ like this:

nice and chaotic, ill give it a thought, of course there are tons of plastic kits out there to do that.

nice and chaotic, ill give it a thought, of course there are tons of plastic kits out there to do that.

Yeah but none that are specifically designed for leman russ'

Besides sandbags and stuff you could have other GW related stuff around like generic guardsmen body armor, like a guardsmen took it off and laid it aside for a moment.
Maybe spare barrels for stubbers, futuristic ammo boxes, you know what i mean.

I was talking about the Dark Angel shoulder pads. They'd make spiffy termie decorations if they were the right size.

Shoulder Pads and Helmets like Maxmini would be sweet. It would give a nice US based alternative.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Shoulder Pads and Helmets like Maxmini would be sweet. It would give a nice US based alternative.

Dont know how maxmini would feel about that

The Darkangel style pads will be made into a terminator variant in the future

Nick

anything with an Omega symbol on it!

As a Crusading Knight Marines player, I want more Crusader helmets and Tabard bodies, along with more shoulderpads...

Other cross stuff would be cool, too.

ideas and more ideas. We have a notebook full and are talking to an interested free-lance designer at the moment

Good news for you guys if we get more help.

Nick

Yep. I think this is all about giving people options and parts to make their armies more distinctive. Thats a very good thing.

It might be neat at some point to see a system similar Wargame Factory's "Liberty and Union" where potential customers can propose and effectively vote on the ideas they're most interested in.

Maybe some Teutonic and Jerusalem Crosses?

ooh wow did i hear someone say crusader helmets? they would be jawesome especially as i need moooooor for my iron warriors

we pretty much have another artist on board, he specializes in 3d design, so that means more stuff coming out sooner then later.

Oh yeah we are now official Dakka supporters and advertisers. Go us

Nick

Crusader helmets would be awesome! Not sure if anyone has seen the Black Templar concept art with e helmets with the crosses on them? Well they wouldd be awesome!

Love your stuff, having seen a lot of it in person when a friend of mine started a salamanders themed chapter. I can say for certainty that Chapterhouse is a value company.

Is there any update on the Land Raider set, I am building a Salamanders army and would need two.

Cosntantly bugging my sculptor to finish the LR. Id say a month at max till production.

Nick