This thread is for pictures of your weapons. Fire arms, bows, swords, knives....Show off what you got.





Mossberg 500 'Rolling Thunder'




L to R, Romarms, RPK/ CAI Cetme Sporter (HK 91 clone)/ Saiga .410 semi-auto. (pistols shown above)

Holy crap! Not much point posting my cricket bat. Just to ask what do you use your weapons for?

Lord Bingo wrote:Holy crap! Not much point posting my cricket bat. Just to ask what do you use your weapons for?

For the Zombies

That's a pretty impressive collection. Now if somebody breaks into your house the only problem you're gonna have is deciding which gun to shoot them with.

When you were purchasing these weapons did you by any chance ask for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?

Wow,holy mokeys!

Thats alot of firepower.How much has that all cost you?

Closest thing I have is a replica Soft Air MP5A5 and two Soft Air Schmeisser MP40's.

The OC-D

Mine's bigger than yours.

sA

SsevenN wrote:This thread is for pictures of your weapons. Fire arms, bows, swords, knives....Show off what you got.





Mossberg 500 'Rolling Thunder'




L to R, Romarms, RPK/ CAI Cetme Sporter (HK 91 clone)/ Saiga .410 semi-auto. (pistols shown above)

...and they wonder why we think that they're a bunch of gun loving lunatics. Dude, I'm pretty certain if this was replaced with porn someone would say you had issues

what the f*ck, an RPK? Where the hell do you live that an automatic support weapon is legal? Also, do you have a box magazine or just the banana magazines?

Falconlance wrote:what the f*ck, an RPK? Where the hell do you live that an automatic support weapon is legal? Also, do you have a box magazine or just the banana magazines?

It is probably a semi-automatic version for civvies.

Seriously? Dude... you know a hammer or hatchet does just as well because of the intimidation factor, right?

An interesting observation I have made in other forums is that I could post a similar picture with all of my airsoft replica guns and as long as everyone knows they dont fire explosive propelled ballistics, nobody would call me a lunatic. And on the other hand, if owning real firearms makes you a lunatic, whats the difference between one and an armory, like this guy has? If he wants to actually hit you he can only wield one at a time. Does owning a bunch of them make you any more crazy?

Also, my 249SAW and G33/40

G33/40 is a good gun. The Germans know their firearms.

I carry a metal water bottle around with me; I am excitable I could probably kill someone with it if anyone really gave me the reason. I will be looking into what my options are for carrying knives once I am trained.

No guns (or bows) in the immediate future although I do like killing things and eating them.

Can't post mine as it would offend most users.

Not offend per se, but you get the picture. Nobody likes to see grown men cry.

Silly attempt at being funny aside, you do have quite the armament! Reminds me, we had some guy from a right-wing party here brag in nacional TV he had a couple of pistols, shotguns and license for them all. Turns out, he didn't. Do you, erm, actually use them?

This is my old list, havent updated in about a year. Add to the above the following:
Rem 700/Harris Bipod/BDC Scope
RPK
Colt 1911A1
1916 Luger
30/30 lever action
DPMS M4 in 7.62x39
Saiga 12 Guage
Kimber Custom .45
SKS
Ruger PC4
Ruger PC9
Springfield 1903A3

Mauser C-96's are one of my favourite guns... I really want one. same with lugers. ah well... some day...

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Seriously? Dude... you know a hammer or hatchet does just as well because of the intimidation factor, right?

I think both the fates of the Righteous Harmony Society Movement and the Navajo Ghost
Dance prove that guns win. See also: feudal samurai.

I dont mean to be negative, but who needs this much firearms? You do know that the best anti burglar weapon is a mad dog? I am beginning to see why people may say that Americans have a gun issiue

I'm pretty sure he doesn't collect them because he thinks he'll need to wield eight guns at some point in the future.

As far as zombies go i have one of those:



And plan to pick up wathever else comes my way after (from someone like you's half-eaten corpse probbly).

Edit: Found smaller pic.

I got this to keep you f88kers off my lawn

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm pretty sure he doesn't collect them because he thinks he'll need to wield eight guns at some point in the future.

QFT.

For example:
The M1 Para Carbine is 100% origional made by Inland (General Motors Wartime)....
M1 Garand is 100% origional and I can trace the history back to the Marines Corps In the Pacific In WW2....
The Ak47 Bayonet I pulled off a Insurgent In Iraq...
The .30 Mauser is in 98% condition and all matching...
Kar98 german marked....
12 guage side by side over around 100 years old...
Top .303 is WW2 surplus...
Bottom .303 is WW1 Surplus.. (notice size difference)
Colt 1911A1 is 1943 origional production... was lend leased to GB and stamped on Frame, Slide, and barrel with the Tower Of London Armory along with a Property Of British Government Stamp on frame. 96% condition. Worth a boat load of cash.
1916 lugar... 94% condition.. Paid $400 at Estate sale... worth almost 3x that.
DPMS M4 in 7.62x39... is *now* Out of Production. Price has gone up almost $500 since I bought it cause of this.

As you can see for the most part, I am a collector. Most people put their money in banks hopeing that inflation or a bad economy doesnt wipe them out. I invest my money in guns. Laugh all you want, but since Obama came into office ive almost trippled my investment.

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jp400 wrote:For example:
The M1 Para Carbine is 100% origional made by Inland (General Motors Wartime)....
M1 Garand is 100% origional and I can trace the history back to the Marines Corps In the Pacific In WW2....
The Ak47 Bayonet I pulled off a Insurgent In Iraq...
The .30 Mauser is in 98% condition and all matching...
Kar98 german marked....
12 guage side by side over around 100 years old...
Top .303 is WW2 surplus...
Bottom .303 is WW1 Surplus.. (notice size difference)
Colt 1911A1 is 1943 origional production... was lend leased to GB and stamped on Frame, Slide, and barrel with the Tower Of London Armory along with a Property Of British Government Stamp on frame. 96% condition. Worth a boat load of cash.
1916 lugar... 94% condition.. Paid $400 at Estate sale... worth almost 3x that.
DPMS M4 in 7.62x39... is not Out of Production. Price has gone up almost $500 since I bought it cause of this.

Cool collection, not just the amount but also the choices - that's just about a list of my favourites.

What's the difference between 98% condition and 94% condition? Is there a metric or scale that will objectively spit out 94%, or is just a term to indicate quality?

As you can see for the most part, I am a collector. Most people put their money in banks hopeing that inflation or a bad economy doesnt wipe them out. I invest my money in guns. Laugh all you want, but since Obama came into office ive almost trippled my investment.

Seriously, you invest in nothing but guns? There are hedging arguments in favour of investing a portion of your money in appreciating assets like collectibles, but all of your investments? That's a pretty risky strategy, dude.

jp400 wrote:
The .30 Mauser is in 98% condition and all matching...

My personal favorite. Owned by Churchill, Hemingway, and Solo.

All I have is a sword which is just a replica from a game. It is Paine's sword from FF X-2.

100%= Like its brand spanking new out of the Box
50%= Its shootable, but nothing special
0%= Complete utter junk
Higher % = $$$
Lots of things goes into it... Rust, scratches, dings, Fadeing blueing, barrel rifleing wear ect ect brings it down.

Example: Due to Rare markings and Like New high % condition, my Colt 1911A1 with an origional leather holster is worth around $3500 US. Needless to say, I didnt pay near this for it.

Meanwhile my WW1 Enfield is much older, but is in horrible condition. Its worth only $200-300 US.

As for risky... So is the Stock, Economic, and Houseing Market. So far all three have lost money hand over foot while ive tripled my initial investment. If I was to sell everything (including some things I didnt list) I could easially cash in at around $40-45k...........

Cant wait until my Class 2/3 gets approved! .30 Cals=Cash Cows!

jp400 wrote:100%= Like its brand spanking new out of the Box
50%= Its shootable, but nothing special
0%= Complete utter junk
Higher % = $$$
Lots of things goes into it... Rust, scratches, dings, Fadeing blueing, barrel rifleing wear ect ect brings it down.

Example: Due to Rare markings and Like New high % condition, my Colt 1911A1 with an origional leather holster is worth around $3500 US. Needless to say, I didnt pay near this for it.

Meanwhile my WW1 Enfield is much older, but is in horrible condition. Its worth only $200-300 US.

Cool. Just wondering if there was an exact meaning to 98% compared to 94%, or if they're just subjective. Like, would 98% mean slight weathering, and 94% mean a greater degree of weathering, while 80% might mean some parts have been replaced?

As for risky... So is the Stock, Economic, and Houseing Market. So far all three have lost money hand over foot while ive tripled my initial investment. If I was to sell everything (including some things I didnt list) I could easially cash in at around $40-45k...........

Yep, everything is risky. That's why it's also very risky to invest in nothing but stocks, or in nothing but your house, or whatever. By spreading out investments, a little in stocks, a little in housing, a little in collectables, you can reduce that risk considerably.

Look, I'm not saying don't do it, because if you love your collection, well then that's reason enough by itself. But if you really are looking at it as an investment, then I gotta say it's risky to have all your money tied up in one place.

I own a pocket knife and a bolt action .22 that my Grandpa gave me. He got it when he was 13 for $5.

The rest of my family owns about 3x more guns than you do. That is not putting them all together. Each individual family member owns 3x more guns than you have shown here.

Its pretty ridiculous actually.....

I almost forgot, somewhere I have a sword disguised in a walking stick.

The OC-D

jp400 wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm pretty sure he doesn't collect them because he thinks he'll need to wield eight guns at some point in the future.

QFT.

For example:
The M1 Para Carbine is 100% origional made by Inland (General Motors Wartime)....
M1 Garand is 100% origional and I can trace the history back to the Marines Corps In the Pacific In WW2....
The Ak47 Bayonet I pulled off a Insurgent In Iraq...
The .30 Mauser is in 98% condition and all matching...
Kar98 german marked....
12 guage side by side over around 100 years old...
Top .303 is WW2 surplus...
Bottom .303 is WW1 Surplus.. (notice size difference)
Colt 1911A1 is 1943 origional production... was lend leased to GB and stamped on Frame, Slide, and barrel with the Tower Of London Armory along with a Property Of British Government Stamp on frame. 96% condition. Worth a boat load of cash.
1916 lugar... 94% condition.. Paid $400 at Estate sale... worth almost 3x that.
DPMS M4 in 7.62x39... is *now* Out of Production. Price has gone up almost $500 since I bought it cause of this.

As you can see for the most part, I am a collector. Most people put their money in banks hopeing that inflation or a bad economy doesnt wipe them out. I invest my money in guns. Laugh all you want, but since Obama came into office ive almost trippled my investment.

I thought the Marines used the Springfield 03, because they preferred the reliability of bolt action?

Firearms are pretty hard to come by in Australia.

My grandfather had a .303 and a .22 rifle on the farm but since the amnesty back in 1996 I don't know if they are still around.

My weapon of choice at home is a great walking stick, solid wood and with a ball at the handle end to smash my foes with.

That and the kitchen knives.

You also used to be able to buy killer slingshots, like the one pictured below but they are banned to now. :(

I have a 1918 enfield .303 but being in the UK it is deactivated. Still looks just as good (and mean). It has the original leather strap and is in good condition, but I dont have the bayonet for it.

I would love a good shooting .303 if I could get a proper scope mount for it. The old Enfields are just cool.

The only shooting ones you can get in the UK are ones that have been converted to air rifles or shotguns. I'd sooner have one with a filled barrel than one that has suffered that indignity though!

Well you can get genuine shooters here. The difficulty is that most of them have very worn barrels. Their accuracy is usually pretty bad as a result. I am not sure if anyone makes new replacement barrels for it.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Wow,holy mokeys!

Thats alot of firepower.How much has that all cost you?

The most expensive fire arm pictured is the FN 5.7. It cost me 1k when I bought it, I've only shot it on a few occasions. Every thing else pictured was 500 bucks or less.

Lord Bingo wrote:Holy crap! Not much point posting my cricket bat. Just to ask what do you use your weapons for?

I'd like to consider myself a collector one day, you have to start some where. I do a fair amount of pistol shooting, it's quite the challenge and my favourite kind of gun to shoot. Skeet is a blast with the 'Rolling Thunder' because all the old timers look at you and frown.

I don't shoot the rifles much, but that's only because they're for the zombies..........

I've found out that it is legal to have firearms around here. Only it's very heavily regulated: you are required to become a member of a shooting club, be an apprentice or something for five years before getting a gun of your own and you are required to have a mental examination every seven years.

And then when you finally want to buy a gun, hello extreme taxes, import costs and other costs.

Falconlance wrote:what the f*ck, an RPK? Where the hell do you live that an automatic support weapon is legal? Also, do you have a box magazine or just the banana magazines?

It's semi-auto, I don't have any drum magazines, just 50's 30's and 20's.

Frazzled wrote:I would love a good shooting .303 if I could get a proper scope mount for it. The old Enfields are just cool.

Hmm, I know several companys that make good scope mounts for .303's. Any particular type you want?

jp400 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I would love a good shooting .303 if I could get a proper scope mount for it. The old Enfields are just cool.

Hmm, I know several companys that make good scope mounts for .303's. Any particular type you want?

Let me restate, if I had the money and She Who Must Be Obeyed quit breaking my guns, I would love a good...
For future reference:
1. Are there mounts available for conventional sport scopes?

2. Do you know of any with good barrels or a sell new barrels?

LoL. I feel you man... Im lucky in the fact that my She Who Must Be Obeyed Is now hooked on shooting. Sadly however I might as well paint that Ak47 pink and be done with it

1: Yes.
http://www.thecountryshed.com/enfield_scope_mounts.htm

http://www.milsurpstuff.com/products.asp?cat=Lee+Enfield

http://www.lee-enfieldrifles.com/

2: Good Place to look:
gunbroker.com

Oh SWMBO is hooked. But she breaks all her guys, and then does the "Gimmer Your guns hubby and chop chop!"

Thanks for the links.

EDIT: Picanniny rails for an Enfield? Thats funnny right there, I don't care who ya are

I have a .40 Smith and Wesson M&P handgun and a Winchester 101 over-under for sporting clays and skeet. I'd post pics, but I'm at work and they generally frown on bringing weapons to work. It's like being a cop in London. (Boooooo ubermosher, your jokes suck.)

I want to get (and even have ubermoshette's permission) an AR and a .22 scoped rifle for target shooting down at the club (nothing like a hitting a golf ball with a .223 round at 100 yards), but ever since Jan '09 AR's and even AK's have been impossible to find around here (South Carolina) and .22 long rifle bricks are sold out seconds after going up on the shelf.

Same here. I've 2,000 LR rounds on order, and feel I grossly underestimated the need on the .22 LR front.

See, the nice thing is that I reload/cast my own ammo.. with as high as ammo inflation is atm, I can make most of my rounds for under 25Cents a round. Cept for .50BMG... I cant seem to figure out how to manufacture that for under 3.50 a round.

*EDIT*
Whomever made that M4 Sporting Rifle needs to be shot with it! lol

Ayah but aren't you having difficulty finding primers?

I was... Until my friends neighbor passed away who reloaded since the 80's cause it was his main hobby.

Picked up about 10,000 various primers. (Magnum, Rifle, Pistol, shotgun ect ect)

And about two weeks ago the man who taught me to shoot succumbed to a very long and painful battle with his health. Myself and another friend of mine were left with his lifelong collection of reloading equipment.

I was able to pick up a 2nd Lead melter, a 25lb container of Mil Surp Powder, about 50lbs of hard lead ingots, more bullets then I could count, and another 5,000 rifle primers. (Friend took all the pistol primers)

*Edit*
Almost forgot, got a newer lead density tester, and a electronic powder scale too. Still sorting through his overstuffed library of reloading journals from what seems to be every company under the sun.

1. Sorry for the loss of your comrades.
2. Its interesting that all the reloaders around you bite the farm...no I don't have any reloading supplies(watches door nervously while making call to the authorities: "HELP!").

JP400 You are a very lucky man, at the same time, sorry for your loss.

I've had my progressive press set up for over a year now, yet I've only manufactured a couple hundred rounds because of the rediculous feeding frenzy on components.

Frazzled wrote:Well you can get genuine shooters here. The difficulty is that most of them have very worn barrels. Their accuracy is usually pretty bad as a result. I am not sure if anyone makes new replacement barrels for it.

One of my dad's friends swears by this place for his classic firearms purchases. They have Enfield barrels here.

Frazzled wrote:1. Sorry for the loss of your comrades.
2. Its interesting that all the reloaders around you bite the farm...no I don't have any reloading supplies(watches door nervously while making call to the authorities: "HELP!").

1: Thank you
2: Not all of them. Its just been one of those years around here.

SsevenN wrote:JP400 You are a very lucky man, at the same time, sorry for your loss.
I've had my progressive press set up for over a year now, yet I've only manufactured a couple hundred rounds because of the rediculous feeding frenzy on components.

Thanks. Though id much rather have aquired my good from any other way though. The feeding frenzy im hopeing will calm down withing another 6ish months. Paying almost $1 a round for PISTOL ammo is fething insane!

*Dogma thanks for the links.

*We are indeed in a bullet bubble, but I am not sure it will pass in 6 months.

I would like to think so. What would really solve this problem is if the dang companys would up production. No reason why they should STILL be 6-8 months behind on orders.

Its heavy industry to an extent. I don't think they see this as long term, and not worth the additional capital investment. Ironically the big fear driver: regulation, includes rounds as well. Manufacturers have to consider that future regulatory limits would limit sales, and they don't want to be left holding the bag either.

Very true. Still it would be nice if they did lol.

Heh, it looks like you guys scared all the Europeans out of the thread.

Victory Burgers!

Falconlance wrote:Heh, it looks like you guys scared all the Europeans out of the thread.

Hmmm... I thought it seemed less condescending and reproving.

I thought some of you might enjoy this:

http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm

Falconlance wrote:Heh, it looks like you guys scared all the Europeans out of the thread.

In the Spirit Of Frazzled The Great....

Falconlance wrote:Heh, it looks like you guys scared all the Europeans out of the thread.

No no, you continue to amuse us no end.

Clthomps wrote:I thought some of you might enjoy this:

http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm

Its funny because its true!

(Mosin is a dirt cheap Russian rifle from WWII, but actually designed at the turn of the 19th century)

Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
What's a mag?
What's a safety?
Your rifle has dog collars.
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
You can knock down everyone else's target just from the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
Recoil often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
Your rifle won a pole vault event.
You paid $59.95.
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
Service Life, 100 years.
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor. THEN you watch "Enemy at the Gates."
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but its buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.

Funny stuff frazzeld.

I still need a Mosin Nagant for my self......

If you have a C & R Licence then heres a good link for you:

http://ioinc.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IO&Product_Code=MOSI0020&Category_Code=Long+Guns


That I plan on buying one from there when my C&R FFR comes in.

Whats a C&R license?
I know a comrade with OS (original Soviet-they put the C in Comrade baby) and newer Finnish version.

Curio and relics license. Firearms manufactured before a certain date can be bought w/o a NCIS check, and shipped directly to your door.

I don't have my C&R either, firearms become an expensive habbut....

Oh, I've been precleared so thats not an issue, (woops if I owned any firearms...)

Ahh Frazz, being from Texas, I would hazzard a guess that you have your concealed carry license.

I haven't aquired mine yet, in New Mexico, you MUST carry the same calibre handgun you qualified for your license with.

With the hot summers, I'm a fan of 9mm, heck I would love the new Kahr p380 even..

But fall and winter I preffer my full size CZ 75 style frames in 10mm.

So I haven't found the perfect gun for the job yet.

I've heard good things about both. But CZ makes a high capacity 9mm too doesn't it? I'm just putting that out there.

Yeah, the 75 SP-01 I own comes with 18, yes that's right 18 round magazines! (that's in 9mm)

The thing is, winter means big coats, which is great for conceal. But the extra layers tend to have a signifigant affect on the terminal ballistics of lighter rounds. My 124 grn HSTs just don't reach the same penetration/expansion results when forced in to multiple layers of cloathing. That is where the Beefier rounds come in to play, you need a larger framed gun, no prob in winter!

So that's why I've been procrastinating.

Do I;

1) Get licensed w/ 9mm and have the portability and comfort in summer, but be forced to use less effective SD rounds in the winter.

1) Get licensed for .40/10mm, deal with 'printing' in the summer, more wieght, but also have a real show stopper calibre that will preform just as well in winter.

Either way it's not a big priority. And it gives me a valid excuse to continue purchasing different style handguns.

Th CZ has good weight and has been reviewed as being "Russian" in its sturdiness. And there are the others PMd on.

Go 9mm. You're clean all the way through. If you're worried about penetration Hornady (IIRC its Hornady) makes a hollowpoint round with a wax/plastic fill in designed specifically to go through heavy clothing.

Alternatively you can go oldshool and just have hardball ammunition. Finally, you could alternate between JHP and hardball in the clip. After all, you'd be double tapping anyway.

Too big of a pistol and you won't carry it, especially in the summer. Last I heard, Arizona can be a little, er warm...

i need to join photobucket or something.... no pics of my actualy guns, but here i go.

Wasr-10 (AK-47)


scoped 306 butchered mauser


mossberg 500 pump... looks like the one on the bottom, longer berrel though.


9mm hi point


pimped out SKS... like the on top, but with REAL MAGS... not the fixed one


K98 Mauser... the stock on mine has no hole (i think its not a german stock) BUT, the gun itself has German WW2 markings on it.


M44 Mosin Nagant.... i CAN fire 5 rounds out of the thing without a jam, but i can never reload it using the stripper clips.


and a TT-33

Excellent collection there.

@Frazz

I will probably end up going w/ 9mm, probably my 75 SP-01 for winter and I might get a Kahr PM9 for summer, the CW9 I currently have is small, but not small enough heh.

If you like 9's why not go for a Walther P99 like mine? Shoots awsome with very controlable recoil.

A comrade has this.
Walther. the accuracy is ok but man its tiny. He literally just keeps it in his pocket:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y

My preference however would be a Beretta for the same weight/profile
http://www.beretta.com/Pistols-Carbines/Defence/Sub-Compact/Px4-Storm-Subcompact-Type-F/index.aspx?m=82&f=2&idv=18&id=855

Manly men however go Kimber.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ultracarry/stainless_ultra_carry_II/
Kicks like a mule though

Im actually in the process of bartering my way to a Kimber Custom .45....

Ultra tiny and ultra mule kick.

Well if you feel the need to buy me something:
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/customshop/gold_combat_stainless_II/

or this:
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=38&productid=88

Come on, be nice to your local Mod.

If your good maybe for Christmas! lol

This thread makes me want to graduate early, with all you guys and your guns, working as a weapons engineer will be quiet profitable...

Whats a C&R license?

As seven noted it's a Curio & relic Licence, also know as a type 3 FFL.


To be recognized by ATF as a C&R firearm, a firearm must fall into at least one of the following three categories:

Firearms which were manufactured more than 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.


It cost $30 a for a three years, but the real hassle is doing all the paper work. Heres a website for it:

http://members.cox.net/cruffler/ffl.html

sebster wrote:

Yep, everything is risky. That's why it's also very risky to invest in nothing but stocks, or in nothing but your house, or whatever. By spreading out investments, a little in stocks, a little in housing, a little in collectables, you can reduce that risk considerably.

Look, I'm not saying don't do it, because if you love your collection, well then that's reason enough by itself. But if you really are looking at it as an investment, then I gotta say it's risky to have all your money tied up in one place.

There's ONE area that investing in guns beats all those other investments hands down: If EVERYTHING goes bad. If the stock market collapses entirely, and the NATION is out of work, being armed can get you anything you NEED (food, water, shelter). I'm not saying that 'the world will end entirely here we come Mad Max, but that fact is when the gak hits the fan people go stark raving nuts. Until the government regains control (Whatever one does) a gun will secure you the things other people will be rioting about not having. If the Zombiepocalypse comes, find the man with the guns. Even if you're in a major city, a gun will give you the ability to acquire what you need for yourself and your family, including safe passage into the rural areas where one could hunt one's own food.

If Anarchy did reign for long enough to foster a barter system then having an 'excess' of firearms would be very beneficial. Don't know how to hunt? Trade weaponry to someone who does in exchange for training.

Yes this is a very hypothetical situation, but it's definitely an example of how the right 'investments' are foolproof. Anything that can help guarantee you the basic necessities is by definition a safe investment.

Zombie apocalypse? You're using that gak as an argument?

I mean, come on. A virus that turns people into mindless flesh-eaters?

You've been watching too many Romero movies.

And once again, Cheesemeister shows a lack of a sense of humor.

It would seem that the humor in your post was lost in the Void that is Cheese Elementals mind.

Oh Well.

*EDIT*
Beat me to it by mere seconds!

Besides, Id rather talk about zombies then bring Religion into every other topic like some people try to do.

*EDIT 2*
Know what, NVM.. Dont want to de-rail this thread into a religion war.

What, seeing as how Twilight is sweeping the world, I'm praying for Zombie Apocalypse. Only the zombies can save us from mangina vampires!

Viva La Zombie!

Frazz, if the ZombiePocalypse happens I always have a spare bunker or two up here In Idaho for ya!

Do most American gun owners possess multiple firearms, or are the members here just a bit more "into" the whole scene than the average citizen ? From the TV shows etc I've seen \i'v got the impression that most people if they do own one tend to have a pistol or something tucked away in a draw/closet etc etc and don't have the veritable arsenals that some people here have.

I guess this would obviously vary from state to state or more likely from town/city to country and so on.

Frazz, if the ZombiePocalypse happens I always have a spare bunker or two up here In Idaho for ya!

Spare bunker-check!

Do most American gun owners possess multiple firearms, or are the members here just a bit more "into" the whole scene than the average citizen ? From the TV shows etc I've seen \i'v got the impression that most people if they do own one tend to have a pistol or something tucked away in a draw/closet etc etc and don't have the veritable arsenals that some people here have.

I guess this would obviously vary from state to state or more likely from town/city to country and so on.

You answered it with this last sentence.
*there are many jurisdictions where firearms or types of firearms are defacto illegal (being overturned on a case by case basis now). Some cities are restrictive and some states are restrictive. Chicago its pretty much prohibited, whereas in Houston the police will give you one if they stop you and you aren’t suitably equipped (ok almost). Just as an aside, murder rates are way higher in Chicago.

*Cultural. It’s a deeply cultural thing. The South and West are steeped in the traditions of legal gun ownership. Not in the North (actually yes in the crime side, just not on the legal side). Its also a rural/urban thing. If you were raised country you have at least a shotgun or rifle. That’s just how it is.

Hmm.. figured as much, the fact that so many were rifles was a bit of a give away, and makes sense from a huntin' perspective.

Incidentally does the ownership ( or lack thereof) affect your household insurance premiums ? Generally speaking anyway. I'm assuming that with this being a COns. right to etc etc, that they don't or aren't allowed to ask about such things with regards to your life insurance/similar ? I'm not sure whether it would/could push said premium up or down, just curious.

I've never heard it as an issue of discussion.

Frazzled wrote:A comrade has this.
Walther. the accuracy is ok but man its tiny. He literally just keeps it in his pocket:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y

My preference however would be a Beretta for the same weight/profile
http://www.beretta.com/Pistols-Carbines/Defence/Sub-Compact/Px4-Storm-Subcompact-Type-F/index.aspx?m=82&f=2&idv=18&id=855

Manly men however go Kimber.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ultracarry/stainless_ultra_carry_II/
Kicks like a mule though

My friend has limited run Kimber CDP (Basically the Ultracarry, but in their "Kimpro" finish). I wouldn't say it kicks like a mule, although it IS very 'snappy' in the hand.

Ah well.

.. So if, through whatever sad state of affairs your visiting mate ( or buddy as I guess you'd say) was injured in some non fatal way in your house by/with your gun, would your insurance cover that, like your car insurance covers you for accidents etc if he sued ? Or is this a bit of a grey/never come up to your knowledge kind of thing ?

I'm just curious as your country has a .... reputation... for people being somewhat litigious in circumstances and I'd be surprised if someone somewhere hadn't tried this on. I have vague knowledge of people trying ( and failing) to sue gun manufacturers for deaths caused etc etc.

Several cities have sued the manufacturers.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS327US328&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=city+sues+guns+manufacturers

I think it's ludicrous though. Like suing automobile manufacturers because car crashes are a top killer in America.

Lordhat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:A comrade has this.
Walther. the accuracy is ok but man its tiny. He literally just keeps it in his pocket:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y

My preference however would be a Beretta for the same weight/profile
http://www.beretta.com/Pistols-Carbines/Defence/Sub-Compact/Px4-Storm-Subcompact-Type-F/index.aspx?m=82&f=2&idv=18&id=855

Manly men however go Kimber.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ultracarry/stainless_ultra_carry_II/
Kicks like a mule though

My friend has limited run Kimber CDP (Basically the Ultracarry, but in their "Kimpro" finish). I wouldn't say it kicks like a mule, although it IS very 'snappy' in the hand.

Me like the ultracarry with finger grips. Its as light as a Bersa/Walther, but makes really big holes and is painfully accurate (literally). Its nearly a competition level firearm, used for personal carry. Nice!

I see guns like martial arts. You have them to protect yourself and hope you never have to use them for such.
And then there are other people with different upbringings... who are more like to use them simply because they have them.

Its always nice when some ignorant f*ck goes off and loses his temper and shoots someone and causes more bullsh*t for the people who DON'T abuse their right to weaponry.

Frazzled wrote:

Frazz, if the ZombiePocalypse happens I always have a spare bunker or two up here In Idaho for ya!

Spare bunker-check!

Do most American gun owners possess multiple firearms, or are the members here just a bit more "into" the whole scene than the average citizen ? From the TV shows etc I've seen \i'v got the impression that most people if they do own one tend to have a pistol or something tucked away in a draw/closet etc etc and don't have the veritable arsenals that some people here have.

I guess this would obviously vary from state to state or more likely from town/city to country and so on.

You answered it with this last sentence.
*there are many jurisdictions where firearms or types of firearms are defacto illegal (being overturned on a case by case basis now). Some cities are restrictive and some states are restrictive. Chicago its pretty much prohibited, whereas in Houston the police will give you one if they stop you and you aren’t suitably equipped (ok almost). Just as an aside, murder rates are way higher in Chicago.

*Cultural. It’s a deeply cultural thing. The South and West are steeped in the traditions of legal gun ownership. Not in the North (actually yes in the crime side, just not on the legal side). Its also a rural/urban thing. If you were raised country you have at least a shotgun or rifle. That’s just how it is.

So the police will actually give you one if they don't think well enough equipped.

Well, yea, of course. Going around Texas unarmed when there are jackalopes free ranging is incredibly dangerous. Usually only Yankees and Canadians make that mistake.

I perfer weapons from a more manly age:

One of my three trapdoor Springfields:



1898 Krag:



Fodder for these (.30-40 Krag, .45-70 Government, .50-70 Government):

malfred wrote:

Haha sweet.

@ Zad Fnark

Good stuff.

I'm planning on getting a nice bolt action eventually.

Zad Fnark wrote:I perfer weapons from a more manly age:

One of my three trapdoor Springfields:



1898 Krag:



Fodder for these (.30-40 Krag, .45-70 Government, .50-70 Government):

I see the trapdoor. Ever shot it?
Ever shot a Spencer, Sharps Rifle, or Remington rolling block?

Frazzled wrote:
I see the trapdoor. Ever shot it?
Ever shot a Spencer, Sharps Rifle, or Remington rolling block?

I've shot two of the three trapdoors. The one pictured here is the model 1866. They were made in 1867 and converted from model 1863 muskets -- also know as the second Allin conversion. This shoots the .50-70.

My model 1884 shoots the venerable .45-70.

I was using black powder substituts for powder, but have had problems with tumbling bullets. I've been using pure lead, casting them. I've switched to smokeless powder (5744), and am now getting actual groups with them. My '66 has a nice shiny bore in it yet, and shoots well.

I have a repro Sharps carbine (Civil War), which I've taken out once. I made paper cartridges for it. Open the chamber, load the cartridge in, and close the chamber, cutting off the paper at the back. Insert cap and fire away. I was using black powder with this one, and after a few shots, was mucking up pretty good. I was rinsing the action with a water bottle between shots. I've made a bunch of new cartridges with a substitute, which should be cleaner.

My brother has a Rolling Block in .43 Egyptian. That was fun to bang away with.

Musket wise, I just have repos. I was looking for originals, but found I could get a better condition trapdoor for the price. All three of mine were had for between 650.00 and 800.00. My muskets are a model 1863 (.58 cal) and a rifled model 1842 (.69 cal). The minie for the '42 is a whopping 730 grains. In case you're wondering, there's very little kick to the muskets. The traps do kick some, but they're still nothing compared to your typical 12 guage.

I have an AR-15, but I've gotten fond of rifles where I don't have to chase after the cartridges after I shoot.

Before I die, I want a nice Burnside carbine. Need a few grand, though.

I've still spent more $$ on 40k and WHFB than all my guns, reloading, etc combined.

ZF-

You're running smokeless heh? Accuracy better but man the clouds of smoke are required!

Burnside hey? yea that'd be a pretty penny.

I have a thing for pre smokeless single shot breach loaders.

How about cap n ball revolvers? nothing some loving like the boom of a Colt Dragoon...

Frazzled wrote:You're running smokeless heh? Accuracy better but man the clouds of smoke are required!

Yeah I know, but I'd rather be accurate. I could use real BP in the cartridges and see how that works. I've just been chicken regarding cleanup.

I've used American Pioneer Powder and triple seven with lame results. 777 is very nasty on the cases if it isn't cleaned right away. A real ugly tarnish forms on them. With my Starline .50-70 cases running two bucks a pop, I want to keep them a while.

5744 is kinda meant for these old high capacity BP cartridges anyway, and the pressures are pretty tame, so I feel pretty safe with it. The trap gets a bit of a bum rap on its strength, but it was used successfully for testing the .30-40 at the time. I've read stories of guys trying to wreck the action with overstuffed rounds and it held up well.

ZF-

No thats cool. I'd just not be worrying about accuracy. I'd be looking for thw BOOM and lotsa smoke and a face that looks like a cartoon and bom went off in your face-with black powder.

Whats your accuracy at 200 yds with these things?

I've only gone from 50 yds, and then managed a 4 inch group with the '66. (thus far)

Neither my .45-75 rifles have very good bores. There are plenty out there with pristine bores, and I've heard of guys with BP rounds getting 3 inch groups at 200 yds. The model '84 and later rifles had what was called the Buffington sight, which looks almost like a slide rule-- very finely graduated sight. It even accounted for bullet drift from its spin. So, in theory, it'll do well enough. After Custer's demise, the Army put a high emphesis on long range shooting.

My old '66 does have a nice bore, though. I just need to tinker. If I ever make it out deer hunting someday, I would like to use it. A nice .50 cal 500 grain bullet should handle anything on the continent. It did do a number on the bison herds.

If you like long range, ever heard of Billy Dixon?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_dixon

Here's a good site I frequent:

http://www.trapdoorcollector.com

ZF-

Cool.

Now that I'm home...

My smokeless .45-70 group, 50 yds:



And the .50-70, same distance:



<Edit> Surprised I could hotlink to my facebook gallery.

Coolio.

Well I don't shoot my rifles very much. Occasionally I'll shoot skeet with my Mossberg. But most of my Gun time/money goes into pistol shooting.

This is 15 yards, slowfire, isosceles stance. Target is a 8 1/2 x 11 piece of letter paper.