I have not heard of any being published in the fluff, though i'm sure there are a fair number in fandom. This comes as much from what we reading about as it does from the nature of the fluff its self. The stories that make it in to the codex are the war-stories of the 41st millenium, not the romance novels of the 41st millenium.
There is no love story in fluff though , can you imagine the rage from warhammer players if they see a happy ending to someone else ? Only grim dark allowed.
Mars.Techpriest wrote:I have not heard of any being published in the fluff, though i'm sure there are a fair number in fandom. This comes as much from what we reading about as it does from the nature of the fluff its self. The stories that make it in to the codex are the war-stories of the 41st millenium, not the romance novels of the 41st millenium.
Yeeeahhh, but somewhere out there...(over the rainbow?) there got a to be a little bit of love. After all guardsmen aren't produced in factories (yet).
I don't know, mabye a forbidden love story between an SoB and...I don't know, Guardsmen.
P.S I have seen that panel before LOL. But what is the real ending?
Well you've got to remember - It IS a tabletop strategy game. The fluff focuses around the endless wars and battles rather than the individual human element of things. But that isn't to say there isn't romance. It's just far and few between that it's mentioned. And often romance only plays a minor roll in most novels. If you gotta have it though, as I said the Cain books have a smidge, and the Gaunt's Ghosts books have a few here and there in some of them. Mostly those are just Gaunt being a man-whore though
metallifan wrote:Well you've got to remember - It IS a tabletop strategy game. The fluff focuses around the endless wars and battles rather than the individual human element of things. But that isn't to say there isn't romance. It's just far and few between that it's mentioned. And often romance only plays a minor roll in most novels. If you gotta have it though, as I said the Cain books have a smidge, and the Gaunt's Ghosts books have a few here and there in some of them. Mostly those are just Gaunt being a man-whore though
How is Gaunt being, as you so delictely put it, a man-whore?
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Gadhip wrote:In the Straight Silver Gaunts Ghosts book Gaunt slept with a female adjunct.
What? No he didn't!
The only time I can recall Gaunt sleeping with anyone was in Necropolis.
Besides, i wanted this thread to concentrate more on romance, like the relationship between the Troopers Caffran and Criid, than just sex.
Also, I read in the back of the Deamon codex that nurgle actually loves (in a wierd way) Isha (or someone) and saved her from Slaneesh. Wierd love though becuase he feeds her poisons and locks her in his tower.
Dammit.
Well that's not to say we should give up. Besides there is love, even in war. Khorne/Orks LUUUV war. So there.
Besides if a vindicare assasin can fall in love, then isn't there hope for us all? (cept Nids)
A vindicare assasin would have an eye for this kind of thing (pun intended).
As for Gaunt, there was the daughter of that one guy, then there was the PDF Major from Traitor General, also they imply that he has the Hots for Ana Curth and she for him, Romantic Sub-Plot in Traitor General.
Then there is Caff and Criid, and Rawne and Jessi Banda, Meryn and Banda, Larks and Bragg, Gaunt and Mkoll, Mkoll and his wife, Gaunt and Lilith, Gaunt and Rawne...
Then in Double Eagle, the bomber pilot and the waitress, the female pilot and everyone.
Then in Brothers of the Snake, the main Marine and the one legislator chick.
Eisenhorn and Bequin, Eisenhorn and the one Doctor Chick.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, what about situations where there COULD be a love story. And why (tragically) it wouldn't/couldn't/mightn't/shouldn't work out?
That would be Gaunt and Lilith, an Inquisitor from the book Ghostmaker. Also Gaunt and the one dudes daughter, because he said something along the lines of "I'd want to but after today I'll go back to being a Soldier and you'll go back to being a Noblewoman."
Oh Larks and Bragg cause you know...
Spoiler:
Bragg is dead
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Sternguard_rock wrote:Just read Esienhorn omnibus and the guants ghosts books.
Side note there both by dan abbnet.
Yeah that's why I mentioned something about reading Abnett books for 40k loves stories, usually they are a sub plot. Or sub plot to a sub plot in the case of Caff and Criid.
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Though that ends because Caff gets killed...by a child... he's trying to save...
Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, what about situations where there COULD be a love story. And why (tragically) it wouldn't/couldn't/mightn't/shouldn't work out?
That would be Gaunt and Lilith, an Inquisitor from the book Ghostmaker. Also Gaunt and the one dudes daughter, because he said something along the lines of "I'd want to but after today I'll go back to being a Soldier and you'll go back to being a Noblewoman."
Though that ends because Caff gets killed...by a child... he's trying to save...[/spoiler]
Um yeah...Tragic.
Really, it is.
But when I said possible love stories I was kind of reffering to 40k in general. You CAN make the scenario up if you want to. Don't limit yourself to just one author like Dan Abnett (blessed be his name).
Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, what about situations where there COULD be a love story. And why (tragically) it wouldn't/couldn't/mightn't/shouldn't work out?
That would be Gaunt and Lilith, an Inquisitor from the book Ghostmaker. Also Gaunt and the one dudes daughter, because he said something along the lines of "I'd want to but after today I'll go back to being a Soldier and you'll go back to being a Noblewoman."
Um yeah...Tragic.
Really, it is.
But when I said possible love stories I was kind of reffering to 40k in general. You CAN make the scenario up if you want to. Don't limit yourself to just one author like Dan Abnett (blessed be his name).
Well I missed the tragic part, I only saw the wouldn't couldn't shouldn't part which applies
And in that case you won't find much. I haven't read much by any other author, because Goto doesn't... dosen't count. But IF he did then Gabe and Macha. And acouple of the other HH book authors but they seemed more focused on KILL IT ALL.
BaronIveagh wrote:The one that I think is hilarious is how shocked Cain was in the most recent that a SoB and a Administratum quill pusher were getting it on.... LOL
What?!?
Hang on second, please...don't tell me.
I don't wnat to get into details...
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BrotherStynier wrote:
Well I missed the tragic part, I only saw the wouldn't couldn't shouldn't part which applies
And in that case you won't find much. I haven't read much by any other author, because Goto doesn't... dosen't count. But IF he did then Gabe and Macha. And acouple of the other HH book authors but they seemed more focused on KILL IT ALL.
Nononononono!!!
You don't NEED and author!
Just make up a POSSIBLE situation yourself where there could be a relationship.
A radical inquisitor or chaos sorcerer and a unsanctioned psyker or a demonhost with a daemonette imprisoned in it don't seem too far outside the realm of possibility.
The machine spirit of a titan and it's princeps might be a more kinky possibility.
SoB and a priest might be a nice story of forbidden love...
You don't NEED and author!
Just make up a POSSIBLE situation yourself where there could be a relationship.
Oh I see what you're getting at now, sorry I've got lots on my mind (girl problems, work)
Tell you what I'll see what I can come up with and post it for you.
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SoB and a priest might be a nice story of forbidden love...
How about a priest and a priest in an Abby near a small village on an Ecclesiarcal World, where the two of them tend to their flock and each other. Staring Toby McGuire and Robert Downey Jr...
No its not a real movie its a fake trailer for a movie R. Downey Jr's character was in it Tropic Thunder.
So right 40k love stories... I had an idea come to me about an Imperial Guard Sniper falling in love with either an Eldar Pathfinder or Tau Pathfinder sniper, while hunting them. Not a traditional love story at all more like stalker love I would guess.
BrotherStynier wrote:No its not a real movie its a fake trailer for a movie R. Downey Jr's character was in it Tropic Thunder.
So right 40k love stories... I had an idea come to me about an Imperial Guard Sniper falling in love with either an Eldar Pathfinder or Tau Pathfinder sniper, while hunting them. Not a traditional love story at all more like stalker love I would guess.
(Whew) Well that's a reilef! I was actually worried there for a sec...
Any way its not out of scope for that kind of thing to happen in 40k. I guess he could use the pickup line 'I've got my eye on you babe'
BrotherStynier wrote:No its not a real movie its a fake trailer for a movie R. Downey Jr's character was in it Tropic Thunder.
So right 40k love stories... I had an idea come to me about an Imperial Guard Sniper falling in love with either an Eldar Pathfinder or Tau Pathfinder sniper, while hunting them. Not a traditional love story at all more like stalker love I would guess.
(Whew) Well that's a reilef! I was actually worried there for a sec...
Any way its not out of scope for that kind of thing to happen in 40k. I guess he could use the pickup line 'I've got my eye on you babe'
"Don't Call Me Babe..."
Sorry, Barb Wire quote seemed apropos for 40k in this case...
No I meant if you were being asked out by someone pointing a gun at you, you would have to at least think about it before answering, you'd wonder at how the sniper might take rejection.
No I meant if you were being asked out by someone pointing a gun at you, you would have to at least think about it before answering, you'd wonder at how the sniper might take rejection.
Yeah, BAR = Browning Automatic Rifle.
Hmm... "Date me or I blow your head off..." ehhh... a smart sniper would offer her flowers instead...
BrotherStynier wrote:Sniper's must always be polite, efficient and have a plan to kill everyone they meet.
LOL! Good one...
By the way, there is plenty of fighting where Guant and/or Cain is involved (though Cain more so dogs it).
With all that hate a Commissar dishes out, they all must have a little soft spot somewhere, it's just that if anyone knew they would laugh at them. (mabye not to thier face)
BaronIveagh wrote:A radical inquisitor or chaos sorcerer and a unsanctioned psyker or a demonhost with a daemonette imprisoned in it don't seem too far outside the realm of possibility.
I didn't say love blooms in 40k, but even if it has been raped, set on fire, beaten with a crowbar and then fed to a hungry ripper it is still there.
No-one said these love stories have to end all fluffy-duffy. Gee, I guess in most cases they would end with 1 or both of the lovers being shot/stabbed/stepped on.
I am really surprised but no one mentioned Eisenhorns love for the Untouchable; its a classical romance story of two lovers who are unable to be with each other because of her being a untouchable and him being a psyker .
BrotherStynier wrote:
Eisenhorn and Bequin, Eisenhorn and the one Doctor Chick.
Hollismason wrote:I am really surprised but no one mentioned Eisenhorns love for the Untouchable; its a classical romance story of two lovers who are unable to be with each other because of her being a untouchable and him being a psyker .
Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, what about situations where there COULD be a love story. And why (tragically) it wouldn't/couldn't/mightn't/shouldn't work out?
That would be Gaunt and Lilith, an Inquisitor from the book Ghostmaker. Also Gaunt and the one dudes daughter, because he said something along the lines of "I'd want to but after today I'll go back to being a Soldier and you'll go back to being a Noblewoman."
Though that ends because Caff gets killed...by a child... he's trying to save...[/spoiler]
Um yeah...Tragic.
Really, it is.
But when I said possible love stories I was kind of reffering to 40k in general. You CAN make the scenario up if you want to. Don't limit yourself to just one author like Dan Abnett (blessed be his name).
I can make up a scenario? Okay:
One day, a Great Unclean One and a SoB made love, she got pregnant, and gave birth to babbling warp spawn, dying in childbirth as well.
It was sad, because they used to kiss in the rain, lie in the middle of the road and stargaze, he even built a dream home for her.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Hmmm, interesting.
But if an Unclean One was involved there would be too many STD's and such floating around she wouldn't live to GET pregnant.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Hmmm, interesting. But if an Unclean One was involved there would be too many STD's and such floating around she wouldn't live to GET pregnant.
Have you SEEN the Dolly Parton?
Emperors Faithful wrote:Nope, don't know who/what you're on about.
Oh...
That was me...(sheepish)
I guess i don't know the history of Dolly-Whats-her-face (and from the way she is likened to someone who slept with a Great Unclean One, I don't want to)
BrotherStynier wrote:Sniper's must always be polite, efficient and have a plan to kill everyone they meet.
LOL! Good one...
By the way, there is plenty of fighting where Guant and/or Cain is involved (though Cain more so dogs it).
With all that hate a Commissar dishes out, they all must have a little soft spot somewhere, it's just that if anyone knew they would laugh at them. (mabye not to thier face)
They are just short films about each of the classes of Team Fortress 2. They started off as simple tech tests, but have now gone a step further. (very slight NSFW, but only very, very slight).
Short films (not just relating to the classes) being released have not been ruled out of the question. Valve is awesome.
Informing people of the greatness of Team Fortress 2 is a public service and should be lauded.
Anyhoos, 40k love stories. Could happen, but not by gw. One of my local gw staff members submitted a story to the short story omnibus that was published a bit ago. It got rejected because it was about normal citizens, rather than SPAZZZZZEEE MARINEZZ HURR!!! (not really, just not about war or the inquisition). So I doubt that love stories would be accepted.
Well, a lot about Ravenor (Inquisitor) analyzes the daily lives of citizens. I think that guys mistake was to concentrate too much on the citizens. It is best if some violence/thrills/action was put in the book as well.
In many 40k stories, the love part is just a side story. It would be interesting to see something more concentrated on it.
Perhaps some Eldar Striking scorpion who stows away on a Dark Eldar ship to rescue his love who is held there?
Actually there could be a lot of kidnapping/rescuing love stories in 40k. Especially with Dark Elder (baddies in the story mostly); even some tradegy if the rescuer was too late, or if thier love was mentally scarred by the torture...
There was a deathwatch book where the inquisition made a deal with eldar, i forget the deal, but there was a fairy tale where some inquisitor fell in love with a farseer and had a half human half eldar kid with her. He loved her and whatever, but his duty caught up with him and he was forced to lead an army to slaughter the farseers people and kill the kid. The inquisitors are having a conversation with the inquisitor lord at their base, and one brings it up and another basically calls him on it being a fairy tale, when an old inquisitor points to a picture or a hologram or something of the story in the lords office and says he would know better than anyone the penalty for love or something like that and calls him the same name as the guy who fell in love with the farseer.
To sum that up much simpler, inquisitor falls in love with farseer, they have kid, kid gets old enough to get psychic powers, inquisitor kills farseer and half and half.
iamthecougar wrote:There was a deathwatch book where the inquisition made a deal with eldar, i forget the deal, but there was a fairy tale where some inquisitor fell in love with a farseer and had a half human half eldar kid with her. He loved her and whatever, but his duty caught up with him and he was forced to lead an army to slaughter the farseers people and kill the kid. The inquisitors are having a conversation with the inquisitor lord at their base, and one brings it up and another basically calls him on it being a fairy tale, when an old inquisitor points to a picture or a hologram or something of the story in the lords office and says he would know better than anyone the penalty for love or something like that and calls him the same name as the guy who fell in love with the farseer.
To sum that up much simpler, inquisitor falls in love with farseer, they have kid, kid gets old enough to get psychic powers, inquisitor kills farseer and half and half.
That sounds like a really, REALLY horrible slashfic. Humans cannot have children with Eldar no more than a Tau can bump uglies with a Ork.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Perhaps some Eldar Striking scorpion who stows away on a Dark Eldar ship to rescue his love who is held there?
Actually there could be a lot of kidnapping/rescuing love stories in 40k. Especially with Dark Elder (baddies in the story mostly); even some tradegy if the rescuer was too late, or if thier love was mentally scarred by the torture...
So turn the Eldar and DE into the COGs and Locust? Replace Striking Scorpion with Dom and you're good to go.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Warrior Coven? First I've heard of it... (elaborate please)
It's a book by Goto. From what I hear, he's one of the worst authors in the BL. Warrior Coven involves DE, and there's one, Warrior Brood, that involves like Tyranid-Eldar hybrids
Emperors Faithful wrote:Warrior Coven? First I've heard of it... (elaborate please)
It's a book by Goto. From what I hear, he's one of the worst authors in the BL. Warrior Coven involves DE, and there's one, Warrior Brood, that involves like Tyranid-Eldar hybrids
You heard correctly. I think it was made a Crime Against Humanity to ever let him near a Typewriter ever again
In the Inquisitor books, Jaq Draco has a sexual relationship with his pet callidus assassin, Meh'Lindi. Their feelings do develop over time till they visit a certain chaos planet and things go quite wrong for her and she starts getting abit more insane than she was.
It's been shown in old fluff that halfeldar were possible (one was listed in the WD article on Ultramarine officers), I would imagine this has been entirelly ret-conned from new background. Especially given the disgust with which the eldar now hold for humans.
hmmmm, SOME eldar.
As eldar pathfinders/rangers are outcasts/exiles/adventurers they may have different opinions as they have to integrate themselves sometimes with rouge traders or other human colonies.
How about Sister and Guard? C'mon like in a whole galaxy it hasn't happened...
I doubt the average guard would be lucky enough though, porbably someone a bit little up the ranks.
Emperors Faithful wrote:How about Sister and Guard? C'mon like in a whole galaxy it hasn't happened...
I doubt the average guard would be lucky enough though, porbably someone a bit little up the ranks.
Heh, heh. I've never actually seen that movie though (frown)
What about a guard regiment adopting and orphan? (Not in a sus way before anyone says anything) Like Creed, except mabye they make the child the regimental mascot or lucky charm.
In the book Wolfblade, Ragnar has something suspiciously like a relationship with a Navigator of House Belisaurus.
And then the poo hits the fan.
I don't think GW's fiction writers (with rare exceptions) can manage something so nuanced as romance without it coming off as hamfisted or too vague to be classified as such.
It's tough work, especially so when we're dealing with Grimdark srs bznss.
But, remember! This thread need not be constricted to the unimaginative state of some GW writers. Any possible scenarios that you can come up with are always welcome.
I think the black library editor(s) just say no to anything an 8-year-old cant understand. Luckily, they aint so smart themselves, thus we get some stuff sneaked past them.
Actually there can be "all-life vows" and "temporal vows".
Just as in Military Orders of Templars or Hospitaliers there were "core members" and "guests" - those knight that come to fight for a period of time or a particular campaign.
More than that - I think that Sororitas have a good record of educating daughters of imperial nobility. Say, from 8to 25 years old.
They can even be trained as Battle Sisters in time of need.
Strong-willed, pure, educated, knowing her duty, loyal to the Imperium - a perfect way to bred wifes for Imperial high classes.
I don't think 'breeding wives' was high on the agenda. Neither do I think that being a sister of battle was a temporary thing. (Sister Hospitallier etc mabye).
SoB is all about self denial, fasting etc, so that would probably include chastity. IIRC though, there is no solid info that says they must take any such vows.
I may be imagining it, but I think this comes up in Swallow's "Faith and Fire" and the answer is no vow of chastity. But I'm not reading it again to find out, either. Like other matters in 40k fluff, there is no perfect correspondence between made up religion and real life religion. GW has simply mined a lot of stereotypes of Catholicism (not surprisingly, as most of which were invented by English Protestants) to provide for their grim darkness of the future.
hmmm, I've read faith and fire and I can't say I remember much. Especially chastity. I do remeber pretty much every male charachter frothing over the sisters though.
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I think all he did was render her catatonic not try and subvert her to Chaos. All the same, Ecclesiarchy official wanted her executed. Cannoness was angry but not bloodthirsty about it. The sister in question felt so guilty about the whole thing that she donned the sackcloth.
See, something tells me a bunch of battle-hardened women with scars and burn marks from playing with fire all day... who are so entirely engrossed in war.. miiiight not be that entirely attractive if ya think about it. Just thinking in those types of terms.
Food Store Hero wrote:See, something tells me a bunch of battle-hardened women with scars and burn marks from playing with fire all day... who are so entirely engrossed in war.. miiiight not be that entirely attractive if ya think about it. Just thinking in those types of terms.
whatever man, they look fine in every picture I've seen
Repentia aside--not to my taste, at least
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LunaHound wrote:
At the risk of sounding stupid, I'd seriously like to know where this is from/if there is more (moar)? It looks great!
It's not 40k, but still. In an old (really old) issue of WD they had this story of a Dark Elf who had gone raiding to bring bakc slaves so he could be higher up in the city. Turns out it's a religous thingy going on when two preistesses try and kidnap him tio be sacrifaced. He runs home t6o find his wife and daughter killed. In the story he promptly weeps for his lost loves.
Another one was also in WD (not too old.) A High Elf mother weeps seeing her son killed by a Dark Elf. not the same kind of love as before, but still love nonetheless.