Space Marines are death toys, I guess?

Won't someone please think of the children?

Yea, we definately want to get them traffic.

Sigh.

At best.

I guess his problem is he never learned to differentiate fantasy from reality, so he assumes nobody else will as well. I lol'd

I loled (at the site design seriously my little nephew can do better), and I rofld at the content.

nutcaseblogger wrote:You don't kill your own brother for anyone. The government does NOT over ride your family. EVER. You protect your family FROM the government.

Stop spending money on plastic men and buy more assault rifles to protect your family!!!!!!

This cannot be serious. I refuse to accept it. Oh dear god it is.

Can someone like, contact GW for this guy using their website's images? Surely they would fire something angry off at this person.

Shouldn't this be in the comedy section? Seriously.

I seem to recall the correct procedure in this situation...ah yes.

Oh lord, the stupid! IT BURNS SO!

Don't you just love it when conspiracy theorist Americans grab hold of British stuff - I mean, the NWO, genetic mutilation and such forth is all well and good, but come on... it is a fantasy setting with no basis on reality. Anyone who cannot accept this does not deserve to have their opinion listened to.

On further reading, I think he's missed the "future" bit here - and the sci fi setting.

EDIT: Oh, and he seems to have missed the fact that it is a toy models company, not the US Government. Unless JJ works for Obama...

He's a Heretic! Send in the Inquisition! Seriously, this guys got a nut or two loose. There are so many loopholes in the rules and fluff of 40k that I could never use it as a blueprint for going to war. Besides, I don't have power armor OR thunder hammers. Someone should clue in GW (TM) so they can send in their legions of genetically altered lawyers (TM) and clean house for the greater good (TM)

Vassakov wrote:EDIT: Oh, and he seems to have missed the fact that it is a toy models company, not the US Government. Unless JJ works for Obama...

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case, as GW is setting its profit margin to high. Now if they actually start "making" money, then Obama will be calling JJ.

WTF? who the hell is the guy that wrote that? some super freak, everything is evil religious dude. I mean really.

The dude or dudette who wrote that article is a tube steak and a half, if ever there was one.

I'm so angry at myself for being brainwashed. No wonder I have been feeling the need to hunt heretics, and cleanse the planet of all that I deem evil. DANG YOU GW FOR INVADING MY MIND!!!!!!!

That article isn't satire?

Nope. Neither is this

Dude! I love this, thanks for the link. This will be an entertaining read until my woman gets home.

Edit: As I read through this I'ma add some funny things.

The first thing: The guy in that mural looks more like a Guardsmen than anything else.
I notice that not many world leaders are as snazzy as the emperor. No sweet hats or hair dos. And the only one with a sweet hat is hella old.
Never actually seen a kill team. Kill Team games are played player with Kill team versus a bunch of mooks right?

When children think of cities, they SHOULD think of them as great places to hide out to kill everyone they can find

I lol'd hard.
A HERETIC! OH SHI-

Well kids, good read. But I'm not worried about the children here. You can't buy super glue until your like some age right? So they will be grown enough to understand or shrug this off if they want by the time they can actually put the models together.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Nope. Neither is this

Thats disgusting. These are the sort of people who should be stamped out.

"The Space Marines will condition your child to see the genetic mutilation of his or her body as desirable and good"

Wow... I'm at a loss for words...


"Being superhuman then must be a good and desirable thing."
Of course, why wouldn't it be?

Someone really needs to tell this person about Dungeons and Dragons too.


And Judas Priest!!

Iorek wrote:Judas Priest!!

DAMN THAT JUDAS PRIEST! With their tasty delicious music!

I'm just really tired of people who don't understand that these things are just escapism, not training tools or propaganda...

Uriels_Flame wrote:Nope. Neither is this

Yet another misconception. The Phelps clan is a tort trolling scam. They roll into town, pick a fight, and then sue over it. Rinse, and repeat.

Just say no to genetic mutation, kids.

Satire isn't dead. It's been recovered from the battlefield and placed in the ancient shell of a Dreadnought.

Wow, I can't imagine anyone taking this seriously. I mean come on...It's fantasy...can anyone take Killing heretics seriously? (besides me.) Anyway, I lol'd so damn hard at this, and I am also very surprised noone has made this comment yet....THEY ARE NOT TOYS! THEY ARE MINIATURES!

It's not a game, it's a "hobby"

Eeexxxxactly.

I blame George W. Bush.

Seriously though I wouldnt think 40k is exactly G, PG, or PG-13 material. The best wargaming with minatures I had when I was a kid was to set up green plastic army men and shoot them with a BB gun; this was fun for about 5 minutes then mom would come out yell at us kids because the BBs are bouncing off the plastic tank into the windows on the house. So what was the next best thing. Getting a shovel full of a fire ant mound and running to another mound and dumping.(Talk about a fearless red army). That was the best what we had back in the day. Then Gee Dubyah had to come along and ruin all of our minds. I miss those good ole days.


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Crap I meant isn't G, PG, or PG-13 material.

You should have seen 40K when it started. That was really goofy but a lot more mature and dark as well. Space Marines (there were female ones!) were brainwashed killing machines instead of monks and the fluff for Slaanesh had his warriors raping people in his name. Awesome stuff. It's all happy and padded nowadays.

Cheese Elemental wrote:You should have seen 40K when it started. That was really goofy but a lot more mature and dark as well. Space Marines (there were female ones!) were brainwashed killing machines instead of monks and the fluff for Slaanesh had his warriors raping people in his name. Awesome stuff. It's all happy and padded nowadays.

Yeah. It's like, she's screaming shrilly about Space Marines, and how it reinforces the ideals of a totalitarian state, and I just want to write her a scathing email explaining that it's a parody. The Imperium is sort of the embodiment of what happens when a populace just unthinkingly listens to their government.

It almost seems like he doesn't even realize that this is a game that was made specifically for adults.

What a concept.

What the feth??!?!?!

does she even know who plays 40k???

/uber sigh.

I cant possibly see this not being satire.

/shrug

I attempt to disbelieve.

Actually, I have a lot of sympathy for the sentiment in this webpage, particularly:
What is not explained, is what is so good about having unwavering faith in the Emperor? Why would anyone want to do that? What's so hot about the Emperor that you'd give up your own one-time-only life, as a unique irreplaceable human being, and instead of exploring the world and enjoying life you shut off your brain and become the extension of somebody else's will.

Really, open your eyes people, dont blindly follow the emperor's mandates - Rebel against the oppression and rage against the Machine Spirit.

Consider giving up on this mind control, and enjoying the freedoms, liberty, and ability to choose that comes with dedicating your souls to the chaos gods.

Tzeentch - Change you can believe in.

Is there a forum, or an email contact for this guy? We should troll him about Chaos marines. Quick, someone send them a (scanned) copy of Realms of Chaos.

The human race is doomed because we've eliminated natural selection. This is written by one of the stupid people that would not be able to survive on their own if the rest of the world wasn't supporting them. If only the Emperor was real, so we could kill undesirable genetic mutations like this idiot and preserve quality human DNA for the good of all mankind.

In the USA, you need a license to vote, a license to drive, even a license to own a car. But there are ZERO qualifications to have children; the greatest responsibility a person can have. Go figure.

Please enjoy this rant with a sense of irony and a grain of salt.

I thought this article was from the poor man's version of the Onion. Just priceless.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Space Marines (there were female ones!)

There was a female adventurer "space marine" that was a total joke and was introduced as such.
But yeah, you are right that things were different.

Ah yes, the Old World according to Konrad and 40k according to Jaq Draco, those were good times.

The true irony is that Warhammer isn't aimed at children. Although judging by the size of the people in my LGS.....I can't tell anymore.

darkkt wrote:rage against the Machine Spirit.

and the new album, battle of armaggedon primus

I don't want to get into the bad politics or theory of this website. That should be pretty obvious. However "It's only possible for the other guy to be the bad guy, it's never us, only them. Right?" Doesn't the author know in the 41st millennium that everyone is the bad guys (except my beloved Salamanders, of course)? After sifting through some of the other content I have decided that this is either a great parody or Dale Gribble's personal site. Either way, it reminds me of my run ins with a certain political cult in college. Good Times. Great find Salvation!

It's science fiction, stop being the defender of all that's Fething good and righteous.

There ARE angels of death in the Bible. Go look it up.

Still though, we should send them something like Realm of Chaos.

Send him Daemonettes. 'Ohmigawd the goverment is teaching is to want women with bizzare and mutated bodies please help!'

Maybe this isn't as stupid as we think. Maybe, this was written with the intent to viciously troll Warhams players.
I request an Orkmoticon of an ork wearing a tinfoil hat

send them one of the liber chaotica

How about sending them the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer. "See they print actual propaganda for the children!"

Niccolo wrote:How about sending them the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer. "See they print actual propaganda for the children!"

Remember Kids, if you find a ORC in REAL LIFE clap and make loud noises! He'll be so confused, you can beat him to death with your Uplifting Primer. Remember to roll above 4+, otherwise you'll whiff your only melee attack, though, and then epic fail like that person's blog.

Well its plainly obvious from the wording the article is not a religious piece, Most likely a PC extremist instead of a God nut.
Nip that one in the bid before we get the usual kneejerk of 'all them Christians be here to ruin our gaming' I see so often on wargamer boards.

It could be satirical but good satire gives away the game at some point showing the article is comical, often subtle hints such as watermarks; but it is possibly written by a 'comic' with no idea of fools licence.


There are plenty of people religious or otherwise you have a low moral opinion of 40K especially, they are not entirely wrong. Much of the 40K background is too dark for the market the game is presented for.
Just imagine what mixed signals people would get if there was a cartoon for 40K (not inconceivable of itself allowing for the target age group).... and the Witchhunters were portrayed according to the codex.
Religious fanatic bondage girls with two handed chainsaws is not certificate U material.

I do know GW corporate wanted GW studio to rebrand Dark Elves as they were afraid of parental reactions, but GW studio stood their ground and said that this is how the Dark Elves should be.

I feel dirty for playing 40k. always been bothered by the Grey knights chapter .....they are chapter triple 6

Pttthhhhh

She needs to work harder. Come on, I mean she is only regurgitating garbage that other, truly, crazies are spouting off. Nothing really original besides the 40k stuffs. Lightweight doesn't even have any Jewish Hollywood/Bank Control that I saw. (I am a Portal of Evil vet, this is tame). And there are in no way enough GIFs.

A dash of 911 conspiracy, a sprinkle of NWO, and some Vaccine garnish. Its standard fare, though I particularly enjoyed the GW bit.

GW should hammer her for the improper use of the images. So I helped it along and forwarded the page to GW Legal, though I have kinda violated the PD on this one for it. Satire, funny, or whatever, it hurts the hobbies image at a time when it really doesn't need any help doing it (Prices and such).

All materials on this site, including but not limited to images, artwork, text, audio clips, and video clips, are, unless otherwise stated, owned and controlled by GW and may not be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted or distributed in any way. Modification of the materials or use of the materials for any purpose is a violation of GW's legal rights. For purposes of these terms, the use of any such material on any other web site or networked computer environment is prohibited unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Eric

I request an Orkmoticon of an ork wearing a tinfoil hat

That request is seconded, and its overflowing with Win.

crazyblogger wrote:There are swell icons like Azrael, (Israel?) the supreme Grand Master who's "codex" description sounds like something out of a high mason's ceremony.

If memory serves me wasn't Azrael an angel in the bible? Or was he a Fallen Angel I'm not sure I never could read that book.

Well any who, that was a fine good laugh, wouldn't think to much into it Brothers and Sisters. Oh wait yeah, if you turn from our awesome dead guy on a throne I'll have to kill you. Why? Because I'm the good guys and I have been psycho-conditioned to think that way.

Re. Phelps.

Here is a guy that inrolled at the University of Bob Jones....and failed!!

The University of Bob Jones!?.....and failing!

My goodness what a nut case.
The whole 'brainwashing' thing to make us want to be soldiers Has s/he seen the typical wargamer? I would say theres more need for physical conditioning than mental

Imagine innocent kids looking at that page - "Look at this cool stuff; men in power armour and death and skulls and spikes and heresy! Hell that looks great where do I sign on?"

I'd say send the Tau Codex. A book about Commie training would likely send'em over the edge.

I want to know where the rant against the child's card game "Fish" is?

I mean isn't that another case of [insert card game publisher here] actively trying to condition children for a welfare state?

"Have you got a...?"

Cheers
Dave

slowed PBS Bitch wrote:There are swell icons like Azrael, (Israel?) the supreme Grand Master who's "codex" description sounds like something out of a high mason's ceremony.

I Lol'd.

That was too funny. Bookmarked!

Sarge wrote:I'd say send the Tau Codex. A book about Commie training would likely send'em over the edge.

So true.

MinMax wrote:

slowed PBS Bitch wrote:There are swell icons like Azrael, (Israel?) the supreme Grand Master who's "codex" description sounds like something out of a high mason's ceremony.

I Lol'd.

That was too funny. Bookmarked!

I'd like to know what she has against Israel.

Trying to rationally analyze irrational ranting is the wrong move here, you have to just take a step back and realize that someone has devoted their life to protecting mankind against 40k.

Its also an opportune time to play "guess what radical group this is from".

I'm going with People for the Ethical Treatment of Grots.

gremmie0 wrote:
I'm going with People for the Ethical Treatment of Grots.

New GorkaMorka gang name: found.

I am not sure what to call that.

I laughed at times.

But seriously, beneath that roll of garbage was a real message, under certain conditions warhammer 40000 might be harmful to children. But to be frank, it is the parents duty to see to it thattheir kids are not formed by 40k fluff, not the governments to ban them. And I am sure anyone failing in this should immediately be banned of raising their child

And by the way, I am sure there are a high number of video games she or he could rage just as well, or not better over, but WAIT, the majority of the human people now like computer games. Lets go bash the ethnic shitstorm out of a minority interest hobby.

My biggest gripe however is how every little bit of it recks of not enough knowledge of the subject being rewiewed. Things like missing the nation of origin, Azrael (The stupid! IT BURNS!) and the complete refusal to accept it as a distopian science fiction game originally made for grown-ups.

Well, that's just my two cents, a lot of the people here have already said a lot of the things I wanted to say before I knew I wanted to say them, I'll just sit back and enjoy the rest of your comments and wait for the thread to eventually be locked by frazzled with an outrageously funny picture sequence.

There is alot of things in this world i must admit this seems almost like it was manufactured to be propaganda against propaganda. I think its a joke.. a real life joke. Meaning the person who did it is poking fun at society how they could take this game and twist it around to fulfill some dark conspiracy... I hope.

You could do this with any comic book, video game, religion, tooth fairy, instruction manual....

Anyways i hope its a joke i would rather see someone apply this kind of "Speculative slander" to other things like organized religion. Thats no different than 40k right? A fantasy world concocted by man with rules and regulations and instruction manuals on how to be a good soldier of the emperor(god)?

On an other note, added to the list of things we NEED this person to rewiew should be Cuthulhu books and the roleplay-game.

what's this bozo's email addy? we should all send him a nice letter explaining the difference between fantasy and reality.. (letting him know it's a game with little toy plastic soldiers, not a religion that is secretly recruiting young teenagers to turn them into space marines by removing their organs and putting in new one..)

I love people who glom onto one aspect of something and then twist that aspect into something they can vilify

I can see some point to the article. But, if you're concerned about what your kids see, spend more time with your kids, not worrying about what everyone else's kid sees.

I think this is a case of good intentions run amok. Should you just plunk a kid down with the game? No. That doesn't mean the game is bad or damaging to them, anymore than a violent movie or video game would be. As with everything, if you introduce the game to a kid and discuss it (hey, the Imperium isn't really 'good', and you know that daemons aren't real, and neither are 7-foot tall superhumans) with them, it can be fine. Kids are smarter than adults give them credit for being - I'm pretty sure that my 9-year old niece would understand that Space Marines aren't real, she doesn't need gene modification, daemons aren't real either, and she shouldn'd go burn the heretic, and that Azrael is just a name and not some propaganda to support Israel.

two_heads_talking wrote:what's this bozo's email addy? we should all send him a nice letter explaining the difference between fantasy and reality..

contact@pbsblog.com

you're welcome.

just gonna leave this here.....

Seriously, I bet a game called "Catholic Space Nazis" would sell like dollar lap dances.

oomiestompa wrote:Seriously, I bet a game called "Catholic Space Nazis" would sell like dollar lap dances.

But not as much as the expansion: "Catholic Space Nazis In Space!!"

Which has all those pesky rules for setting your Catholic Space Nazi campaign in, you know, space. My Level 6 Catachist Commandant just got the "Holy Crap" feat... letting him rebuke the Calvinist Space Zombies From Space with a +3 modifier when wielding his feces as a holy symbol.

BrotherStynier wrote:
If memory serves me wasn't Azrael an angel in the bible? Or was he a Fallen Angel I'm not sure I never could read that book.

No.
Azrael is wordplay on ISRAEL.
Clearly, it's an indication that BOTH are blood-hungry war crazed sadists on a false mission from Gawd.

Geez. Didn't you even READ the page before posting?

You FAIL on Intrawebz reading comprehension.
; )

Eric

But not as much as the expansion: "Catholic Space Nazis In Space!!"

That would sell like dollar lap dances in space. Zero G, you know.

If memory serves me wasn't Azrael an angel in the bible? Or was he a Fallen Angel I'm not sure I never could read that book.

Azrael was a fallen angel in the movie Dogma.

He's the Archangel of Death otherwise.


Also,

It's very highly elite you know. Killing is good.
It is.
No really.
Well is it, or isn't it?


Okay so if it's not, then why this elaborate production of killing toys for children?


If killing is NOT good, does it make for appropriate toys? I'm confused here, you tell me.


Because it's good if you don't actually think about it too much and if it's you doing the killing but it's only bad when the other guy does it.
That's a total break down of logic.


I guess that's how they keep
the good old war machine churning
all around the world.


It's only possible for the other guy to be
the bad guy, it's never us, only them. Right?
And we know that's true because... because....? How do we know it's true?

WHOA MAN THAT SURE IS A WELL THOUGHT-OUT OPINION ON VIOLENCE YOU HAVE THERE

must accept war.
must become robot.
must train for next world war.
mustnt think for myself.
must modify body.
must self-multilate to condition self to pain.
must be ok with killing everyone.

RandomX wrote:Pttthhhhh

She needs to work harder. Come on, I mean she is only regurgitating garbage that other, truly, crazies are spouting off. Nothing really original besides the 40k stuffs. Lightweight doesn't even have any Jewish Hollywood/Bank Control that I saw. (I am a Portal of Evil vet, this is tame). And there are in no way enough GIFs.

A dash of 911 conspiracy, a sprinkle of NWO, and some Vaccine garnish. Its standard fare, though I particularly enjoyed the GW bit.

GW should hammer her for the improper use of the images. So I helped it along and forwarded the page to GW Legal, though I have kinda violated the PD on this one for it. Satire, funny, or whatever, it hurts the hobbies image at a time when it really doesn't need any help doing it (Prices and such).

All materials on this site, including but not limited to images, artwork, text, audio clips, and video clips, are, unless otherwise stated, owned and controlled by GW and may not be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted or distributed in any way. Modification of the materials or use of the materials for any purpose is a violation of GW's legal rights. For purposes of these terms, the use of any such material on any other web site or networked computer environment is prohibited unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Eric

I request an Orkmoticon of an ork wearing a tinfoil hat

That request is seconded, and its overflowing with Win.

GW can't stop people using their images for the purposes of review and criticism.

All that and he didnt mention the prices...

Freedom of speech needs an IQ test ..

PC people make me laugh, Mankind is a violent beast, and always will be, The violence is just controlled a bit better nowadays.

Dronze wrote:

oomiestompa wrote:Seriously, I bet a game called "Catholic Space Nazis" would sell like dollar lap dances.

But not as much as the expansion: "Catholic Space Nazis In Space!!"

Which has all those pesky rules for setting your Catholic Space Nazi campaign in, you know, space. My Level 6 Catachist Commandant just got the "Holy Crap" feat... letting him rebuke the Calvinist Space Zombies From Space with a +3 modifier when wielding his feces as a holy symbol.

HOLY CRAP! You win LMAO

Nurglitch wrote:Satire isn't dead. It's been recovered from the battlefield and placed in the ancient shell of a Dreadnought.

I chortled. Win.

I know an 8-year old who started painting Orks

Also, reading this, one would think that this is a religious nutcase, but then there's this whole Azrael issue.

Wait, if Azrael is a synonym for Isreal, what does that say about Gargamel's cat?

Dronze wrote:

oomiestompa wrote:Seriously, I bet a game called "Catholic Space Nazis" would sell like dollar lap dances.

But not as much as the expansion: "Catholic Space Nazis In Space!!"

Which has all those pesky rules for setting your Catholic Space Nazi campaign in, you know, space. My Level 6 Catachist Commandant just got the "Holy Crap" feat... letting him rebuke the Calvinist Space Zombies From Space with a +3 modifier when wielding his feces as a holy symbol.

In Space, No One Can Hear You Pray.

karnaeya wrote:All that and he didnt mention the prices...

Freedom of speech needs an IQ test ..

PC people make me laugh, Mankind is a violent beast, and always will be, The violence is just controlled a bit better nowadays.

Violence isn't controlled any better now than it ever has been. In "civilized" cultures, it's looked down upon as reactionary - but reactionaries are often idolized in those same cultures. Refer to mainstream film, television, and radio media for examples.

The author of the blog clearly cherry picked the fluff to see what they wanted to see, but the fact remains that GW is focusing sales on a younger generation of gamers (likely the children of gamers...) and the imagery of the game is definitely mature content. It makes me wonder if 40K as a whole will become a softer, more gentle and child friendly game as the target age of GW's customer gets younger and younger...

"I wanna box of Barney Space Marines daddy!"

Anung Un Rama wrote:I know an 8-year old who started painting Orks

Also, reading this, one would think that this is a religious nutcase, but then there's this whole Azrael issue.

Wait, if Azrael is a synonym for Isreal, what does that say about Gargamel's cat?

It says that Smurfs represent the poor, helpless Middle-Eastern nations, preyed upon by them/her/it.

Duh!

Hello? McFly!?
; )

Eric

So does Gargamel represent the vast, broken-down power of the western nations, specifically the United States? And if so, who are the prince and is lack-witt side kick?

Things that make you go "Hmmmm?"

Smurfs are communists.

Soviet Men Under Red Father.

Papa Smurf is Karl Marx, Brainy is Leon Trotsky.

Hell yeah space marines are hardcore killers. And don't you forget it!!

There are moments of compassion in 40k.
Such as the Sisters Hospitalier looked after wounded soliders/civilians.
Some cases where guard/marines give up thier lives so refugees can escape (see Battle for Armgeddon).

There are stories of Mateship (catachan), Honour (marines), guile (eldar). But ultimately 40k teaches us that it is a savage world(galaxy). And that all that we can hope to achieve is really survival (hard to face up to that is)

darkkt wrote:Actually, I have a lot of sympathy for the sentiment in this webpage, particularly:
What is not explained, is what is so good about having unwavering faith in the Emperor? Why would anyone want to do that? What's so hot about the Emperor that you'd give up your own one-time-only life, as a unique irreplaceable human being, and instead of exploring the world and enjoying life you shut off your brain and become the extension of somebody else's will.

Really, open your eyes people, dont blindly follow the emperor's mandates - Rebel against the oppression and rage against the Machine Spirit.

Consider giving up on this mind control, and enjoying the freedoms, liberty, and ability to choose that comes with dedicating your souls to the chaos gods.

Tzeentch - Change you can believe in.

You are a gentlemen and a scholar.

Heresy! You shall doom all of mankind to the ashes of history with your self-indulgence! Only through duty can humanity hope to survive! We are only as strong as our weakest link. That is why the weak link must be ostracised and purged!

This are srs thread

I think she has a point, but that she also lacks perspective.

The politics of 40k are horrifying, but so is the 40k world.

In our world (that is, the actual real world, and generally the US, Western Europe and AUS/NZ within that world) believing in the religious desirability of daemonic rule is (at worst) bad manners to bring up at parties. In the 40k universe it can be a literal gateway to the possession and destruction of the entire effing universe.

The principles of liberal democracy simply don't apply to a world with actual magic, actual psychic powers and actual daemons.

Just my .02.

Clearly playing space marines is a gateway to becoming a full blown fascist.

Absolutely amazing.

But doesn't everybody turn into a psychopathic killer after playing a game of Warhammer 40,000? All that dice rolling and rulebook consulting, my mind is just racing with images of violence and bloodshed.

/endsarcasm.

I know I do. After a game, I cut myself and drink my blood till I puke, then I go on a killing spree with a chainsaw. Stay out of my way, man!

I will draw fire for this post, but hey, let's be fair I think she has some points.

Not on the main stupid page about 40K, on her comments that should not be so cynics if she wants to be listened.

Her explanation mail is far more constructive, and better written. She has a point saying that our letting young kids playing to war games (being the one we play or other ones, being toy soldiers or toy guns) is perhaps not the better way to end violence in this world.

She also have a point in saying that going to war serves some people, who are not the one dying doing the war usually. Wars are made for high ranking people benefits, and it is the grunt who pays with his life or sanity.

Now, she lacks a lot of realism on the real human nature, which is naturally turned to violence, especially with boys more than girls (even if my sister was playing orks ). Her vision is totally unrealistic and utopist. But we need this kind of people to remind us from time to time that all is not about killing and war and hurting people.

She also may want to consider that even checks are a war game, and one that is said to develop intelligence and logical thinking, and that is only one example.

For her conspiration theory (she calls that conspiration facts, that she is not interested in theory but talks only about facts), I do not buy it... letting people play war games to produce more soldier vocations in the future seems a little stretched to me.

he didnt even try to convince us that it was wrong
not that it is

but he could have wrote it better not just rant on and on
lame

and throughout the entire thing he never mentioned orks or chaos, if he thinks the imperiums bad how do you think he'd react to plants that love killing stuff and each other
and crazies that get pleasure (you know) from killing others?

he needs a good palm strike to the face......from a space marine

She's cast her reel into the deep end of the loony bin for a lot of this stuff. Makes me want to step outside of my apartment and scream "Blood for the Blood God!" just to spite her.

Clearly.



CK

Always some nutcase making the rest of us leftists look like loony morons. Honestly, the rest of the webpage seems to be well-intended but it looks it was made by a high schooler who just discovered 'rebellion,man'. That would be expected though I'm quite sure this person is older than that. There's always been hysteria around gaming but this is the first I've ever heard these things leveled against 40k.

As a longtime gamer and sci-fi/fantasy buff and a committed progressive/leftist/what have you, I feel it necessary to tell you all that I am a plant working for the Big Liberal Agenda to undermine all the hard work GW has done to turn you into mindless killing machines. Get out now while you still can!

What a second? Who was the one who said 40k is the step to making us soldiers?

Kind of hard to make the connection between killing a greenskin ork and killing another living breathing human being. (and you can't just say "thier heretics!")

Emperors Faithful wrote:What a second? Who was the one who said 40k is the step to making us soldiers?

Kind of hard to make the connection between killing a greenskin ork and killing another living breathing human being. (and you can't just say "thier heretics!")

And Commissars headshotting their own dudes isn't much of a recruitment poster either.

hmmm, indeed...

For a while, I was getting a little upset. I'm one of those greasy little liberals that gave money to Public Broadcasting; so the name of the hosting site made me sad, until I saw the following:

"THIS WEBSITE IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CONNECTED TO THE
FAMOUS TV NETWORK "PBS". THEY WOULD HATE THIS PLACE."

Small font, lower left hand corner, hard to read color.

Wot a bunch of jerks.

I Lol'd.

Oh btw, are those things she's written at the top new, looks like the opening barrage she got from wargamers blew her socks off.

Best. Thread. Ever.

Edit: Also, I would like to see a tinfoil hat orkmoticon as well.

i to would like to throw my support behing the tinfoil hat orkmoticon movement.

foil hats for everyone!!!!!

[Assume french accent]Viva Les Tinfoil 'Ats [End french accent]
The foil hat is an idea of pure genius

I'm just surprised we don't have a /tinhatork/ orkmoticon already, considering how ALL of our rumor threads end up the same way. Which is to say, everyone making predictions, and most of those predictions are frankly, hyperbolic paranoia.

"The DoD is flirting with the idea of medicating soldiers to desensitize them to combat trauma -- will an army of unfeeling monsters result?"

You should read some of the other articles on the sight. I really think this is Dale Gribble.

Ratbarf wrote:

"The DoD is flirting with the idea of medicating soldiers to desensitize them to combat trauma -- will an army of unfeeling monsters result?"

You should read some of the other articles on the sight. I really think this is Dale Gribble.

Couldn't be. Didn't you see the episode where he renounced conspiracies? Also, Dale Gribble is usually more creative than this.

Someone is upset over the latest price increase.

LiterateWolf wrote:Someone is upset over the latest price increase.

LOL!!!!!!

But, on a more serious note, I was wondering: how could somebody create such ridiculous theories about brainwashing and stuff? Who the heck is that paranoid that toy-soldiers means government plan for deadly army? I mean, COME ON!!! Nobody could take this quack seriously... right?

Is anyone here ACTUALLY taking it seriously?
Probably not...

Ahhhh,

Don't you just love the "Defender of the Righteous" Complex people develop. That damn near constant need to "fight the evils of today" and build for a "moralist tomorrow". Remember, if they say it's bad, then it's bad. Why, because it is. Because they say so. Because they see the need to have to persecute, flame, and rage against all "Pure Evil". Why? Because today is a corrupt one, and to blindly stride forward and rid the world of corruption is their duty. Remember kids, Video Games, Warhammer, Violence in General, and anything we don't see as wholesome is bad and rotten. And you'll contract a disease if you do it.


It's really funny how people have stereotypes, and at the same time many people see stereotypes as derogatory and untrue.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Is anyone here ACTUALLY taking it seriously?
Probably not...

Well, I'm not going to hide all my models in the basement or wotnot, but I do live in that part of the country that has more than its fair share of Bible beaters.

A common story from southern childhood (although it could be from anywhere religion goes awry) runs roughly thus:

"I was around 11-13, and me and my friends started playing D&D. It was a blast. We got the rulebooks with allowance money (or as gifts from our cooler extended family - lots of families have the 'cool uncle' that left home at 17) and wrote up our own scenarios. We played D&D for a whole summer. Then my (mother in law/grandmother/aunt that I lived with) read an article in the (church newsletter/700 Club magazine/ Newspaper) talking about what D&D was. I used to store my D&D stuff under my bed. One saturday, I came back from a trip with family to find my stuff missing and a bonfire in the back yard....she said it was for my own good, cause that stuff was from the devil."

Just replace D&D in that sentence with 40k stuff (which is, what, 10x more expensive?) and you can see why this shouldn't be entirely regarded as a joke. I can just picture someone's granola-eating-hippie stepmom throwing out all their 40k stuff one day "because it wasn't spiritually healthy".

P.S. Before you ask, no, I didn't have this happen to me. My parents were pretty cool about it, but my dad did raise an eyebrow after seeing Mazes & Monsters. I told him, "Dad, that's the guy from Bosom Buddies, he doesn't do serious movies."

Corum wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Is anyone here ACTUALLY taking it seriously?
Probably not...

Well, I'm not going to hide all my models in the basement or wotnot, but I do live in that part of the country that has more than its fair share of Bible beaters.

A common story from southern childhood (although it could be from anywhere religion goes awry) runs roughly thus:

"I was around 11-13, and me and my friends started playing D&D. It was a blast. We got the rulebooks with allowance money (or as gifts from our cooler extended family - lots of families have the 'cool uncle' that left home at 17) and wrote up our own scenarios. We played D&D for a whole summer. Then my (mother in law/grandmother/aunt that I lived with) read an article in the (church newsletter/700 Club magazine/ Newspaper) talking about what D&D was. I used to store my D&D stuff under my bed. One saturday, I came back from a trip with family to find my stuff missing and a bonfire in the back yard....she said it was for my own good, cause that stuff was from the devil."

Just replace D&D in that sentence with 40k stuff (which is, what, 10x more expensive?) and you can see why this shouldn't be entirely regarded as a joke. I can just picture someone's granola-eating-hippie stepmom throwing out all their 40k stuff one day "because it wasn't spiritually healthy".

P.S. Before you ask, no, I didn't have this happen to me. My parents were pretty cool about it, but my dad did raise an eyebrow after seeing Mazes & Monsters. I told him, "Dad, that's the guy from Bosom Buddies, he doesn't do serious movies."

See? Blind fanaticism IS the answer to everything! Or is it just a road to disappointment.

LOL


This is crazy.

My heart bleeds...

Finally a chance for gw copywright/legal to shine (edit: for the masses of ripping off the GW website), that new bit at the top was an extra special bag o crazy.

eh?

Victis Honor wrote:... playing to war games ... is perhaps not the better way to end violence in this world..

Because negotiating always works.

Its amazing the cognitive dissonance in the rest of the blog too.

Because negotiating always works.

I can make the same bitter non constructive comments : Because violence always work?
If you really think it is the case, you must have a sad life.

Beside, if you are already in a negotiation mode, then you have already started a kind of hostilities. When it comes to war, and when it looks like the last solution, I do not see any problem with it. The problem may be before that, when countries start not to recognize other countries the right to do things like they want. There were a few wars lately in this world that could have been avoided with a little more tolerance and a little less warmongering.

I agree with the fact that her way of thinking is not very normal, but taking all her comments and saying all is stupid is exactly coming to her way to present things. You cannot start criticizing all without thinking a minute to see if there may not be some good points in the reasoning, even in remote places. If you start doing that, and just be injurious and untolerant, you give her a point, and a big one.

Michael Moore smells a new film...

Victis Honor wrote:

Because negotiating always works.

I can make the same bitter non constructive comments : Because violence always work?
If you really think it is the case, you must have a sad life.

Well, Violence lessens the number of participants. Less participants=less opinions. Less opinions=more cooperation. Although humans are so obstinate, I think if only two were left, we would have differing opinions.

Quit the political bull . This is a forum for toy soldiers, not real life. If I wanted to read bull about real life, I'd buy a newspaper or go to a news website. This place is hardly qualified to be the gathering of masters of global politics and right and wrong, or is it the place to discuss PERSONAL opinions on just war.

Cunfucious say; he who play wargames is also planning global domination...

Victis Honor wrote:
I can make the same bitter non constructive comments : Because violence always work?

At some point a conflict has to escalate to a point where no one gains before negotiation is possible. In the same vein, Craziness is equally unacceptable. Declaring one philosophy superior to all others consistently devolves to violence as well. Its the balance that is important.

That said, the lady is genuinely crazy. No matter how many good ideas she has, that blog keeps laying out equally unrealistic and constricting ones.

Historically, violence has resolved more conflicts than any other method of resolution. Negotiation, appeasement, blackmail, threats, none have been as effective as violence.

War never changes... Warhammer changes every few months or so.

And yeah, that site is pretty far on the crazy spectrum... It's also been on every 40k forum I've seen. Seems insulting your target audience works, a bit. (thought obviously she has other target audiences beyond we wargaming mongers.)

I have to agree with ryzouken, if 2 cavemen were to argue over something, they wouldn't talk it out, one would smack the other over the head.

That said, I really don't think Warhammer is a breeding ground of madness and evil. Eccentric mabye, but not evil.

Being essentially a caveman with toy soldiers and an internet connection, I take offense to that statement.

It seems strange that after a long, single-minded hate speech that didn't even vaguely attempt to be objective (although there were alternative perspectives below the article) the author launched into a tirade about how the media was brainwashing the US.

As other posters have already said, whatever fragments of reasonable thought exist there are buried beneath the weight of her unreasonable tendency to view the world in moral black and white.

Five words :

This guy is so stupid

The one of many down sides to free speech. There are upsides of course.

Just like any great unit, looks great until you read a little deeper, then that big negative just overshadows everything.

I laughed, that just made my day.

Eh, just nobody tell Germany or Australia, they seem to like banning things for questionable content. ie; the GTA series, anything with a Swastika, etc etc.

I thought the Swastika had been banned in Germany for a long time?

Along with the retitling the second line of Risk to "Liberate the World", banning any sort of Holocaust denial and effectively outlawing race supremacy groups.

In Australia, the main problem's one big fancy hard-right winger from South Australia who happens to veto anything related to changing the ratings board to allow anything useful, like an R rating for games.

OMG!
I hadn't even realised that the first post was link! How dumb. (look sheepish)

After reading though, I begin to think it is more and more of a joke. I have never, in ANY of the books, read of shooting pregnant women.
Also, they are versing DEAMONS/BUGS and Orks which defintiley = bad. I see her (is it a her) argument when it mentions killing rebels and traitors though. I must say, it is a bit OUT there, isn't it?

The onion should hire her

onion?

http://www.theonion.com/content/index

If this is new for you then prepare for a treat. They update nearly every day.

hmmm, random yet slightly entertaining.

Victis Honor wrote:
Her explanation mail is far more constructive, and better written. She has a point saying that our letting young kids playing to war games (being the one we play or other ones, being toy soldiers or toy guns) is perhaps not the better way to end violence in this world.
seems a little stretched to me.

No, she's still an idiot. Thats not a valid point.

There isnt violance in the world because I play 40k or played with toy guns as a kid. Its caused by adults doing adult things with ideology or religion or other factors.....not make believe violence.

Ratbarf wrote:Eh, just nobody tell Germany or Australia, they seem to like banning things for questionable content. ie; the GTA series, anything with a Swastika, etc etc.

Australia's game censorship isn't that bad. F.E.A.R 2 was banned before release due to intense violence, but was later released with an MA15+ rating. I could understand why GTA is cut over here. I mean, a game in which you can conduct terrorist acts on the masses? Sounds reasonable to me.

I take it you've never played SimCity?

What does simcity have to do with swastika/GTA/F.E.A.R 2/ or 40k?

Corum wrote:

Well, I'm not going to hide all my models in the basement or wotnot, but I do live in that part of the country that has more than its fair share of Bible beaters.

A common story from southern childhood (although it could be from anywhere religion goes awry) runs roughly thus:

"I was around 11-13, and me and my friends started playing D&D. It was a blast. We got the rulebooks with allowance money (or as gifts from our cooler extended family - lots of families have the 'cool uncle' that left home at 17) and wrote up our own scenarios. We played D&D for a whole summer. Then my (mother in law/grandmother/aunt that I lived with) read an article in the (church newsletter/700 Club magazine/ Newspaper) talking about what D&D was. I used to store my D&D stuff under my bed. One saturday, I came back from a trip with family to find my stuff missing and a bonfire in the back yard....she said it was for my own good, cause that stuff was from the devil."

Just replace D&D in that sentence with 40k stuff (which is, what, 10x more expensive?) and you can see why this shouldn't be entirely regarded as a joke. I can just picture someone's granola-eating-hippie stepmom throwing out all their 40k stuff one day "because it wasn't spiritually healthy".

P.S. Before you ask, no, I didn't have this happen to me. My parents were pretty cool about it, but my dad did raise an eyebrow after seeing Mazes & Monsters. I told him, "Dad, that's the guy from Bosom Buddies, he doesn't do serious movies."

Something similar happened to my ex-wife when she was a teen. It was the season for the churches to spread the propaganda that Heavy Metal was Satanic. My ex-mo-in-law believes everything that's in the church bulletin (and everything she reads in her e-mail). My wife came home to find her room trashed. They took all of her posters, t-shirts, tapes, records, CD's, everything that wasn't country or gospel and burned it in the backyard, even ELO and Journey?!?

We don't have to watch our backs that much now, but we're still paranoid because we come from the generation that suffered from the generation before us that believed everything they saw or read in the paper or on the pulpit. I reckon now if a kid brought a Space Marine to school to show off, they would get busted for weapons zero tolerance. If it can happen to a GI Joe figure, it can happen to a figurine.

HAHAHAHAH! The Website got hit by the Lawyerhammers

THIS IS HOW THEY GET YOU. THIS IS HOW THEY GET TO YOUR KIDS WITHOUT YOU EVER KNOWING IT

Amazing

wittzo wrote:everything that wasn't country or gospel and burned it in the backyard

Doesn't country music encourage drunkeness and infidelity? Whiney twang sounds like the Devil to me....

Gwar! wrote:HAHAHAHAH! The Website got hit by the Lawyerhammers

The new notice on the Spess Muhren Death Toy article page wrote:We expect it to be ten times more fun when we are bombarded with hate mail from all new offended hobbyists, but then, that might not happen. We'll let you know if other hobbyists are rude and cranky or if it's Warhammer hobbyists in particular.

Hey! We're not rude and cranky...at least, not all of us. Maybe a few.

RustyKnight wrote:

Gwar! wrote:HAHAHAHAH! The Website got hit by the Lawyerhammers

The new notice on the Spess Muhren Death Toy article page wrote:We expect it to be ten times more fun when we are bombarded with hate mail from all new offended hobbyists, but then, that might not happen. We'll let you know if other hobbyists are rude and cranky or if it's Warhammer hobbyists in particular.

Hey! We're not rude and cranky...at least, not all of us. Maybe a few.

HEY...SHUT UP...stupid people talkin bout stuff...

gamers for the WIN

I liked that article.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I liked that article.

Don't worry, the new article promises to make ridiculous assertations against non-40k gamers. It'll be like the old one but even more ignorant. In the meantime, would you like to go light some homeless on fire? I play this game, you see, and it makes me want to light heretics on fire.

Whatever you say, Rustyknight.

I think that mindless obedience when asked to kill things is the most important virtue. Hopefully this will benefit the military-industrial complex.

Nurglitch wrote:That article isn't satire?

If it is, it isn't very good...

I haven't had a chance to read the latest website edition, and it isn't something I feel comfortable going to at work.

Has anyone except one poster actually tried to *talk* to her? Perhaps explaining to her why we would take offense to what many of us percieve a personal attack and a risk to our hobby would at least open conversation? By looking at her website, I realize that her beliefs seem to involve a world view that presupposes an ulterior motive in everything she writes about, so I don't know if conversation would be worthwhile or not.

Ultimately her writings don't bother me personally. As she wryly points out, I'm an "adult gaming fanatic" so I really have nothing to do with it from her point of view. I doubt she could gather enough interest to get any legal restrictions at all placed on a miniatures game, even if that is her intent, which I can't know because I can't read her original article. What I do worry about is that some mother will read it an instead of thinking about it and talking to their child about it, they'll just take it upon themselves to destroy their gaming stuff and traumatize another gamer.

Uriels_Flame wrote:

Vassakov wrote:EDIT: Oh, and he seems to have missed the fact that it is a toy models company, not the US Government. Unless JJ works for Obama...

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case, as GW is setting its profit margin to high. Now if they actually start "making" money, then Obama will be calling JJ.

Wait...are you telling me that the government has been buying companies that actually make money??? I missed this memo...


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Uriels_Flame wrote:Nope. Neither is this

This guy is going to be seriously disappointed if his little plans actually pan out. What a freaking dumbass...
You need to kill all the kittens and puppies... THAT IS THE CAUSE, REPENT AND TAKE OUT ALL THE CUTE FURRY ANIMALS.


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Bob the Hobo wrote:I'm just really tired of people who don't understand that these things are just escapism, not training tools or propaganda...

You forget that these guys are made out of cocoa puffs and rice crispies man.


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Uriels_Flame wrote:It's not a game, it's a "hobby"

IM MEEEELTTTINNG. OH GOD WHY IS IT TRUE!!!


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11/11/18.10:59AM wrote:I blame George W. Bush.

Seriously though I wouldnt think 40k is exactly G, PG, or PG-13 material. The best wargaming with minatures I had when I was a kid was to set up green plastic army men and shoot them with a BB gun; this was fun for about 5 minutes then mom would come out yell at us kids because the BBs are bouncing off the plastic tank into the windows on the house. So what was the next best thing. Getting a shovel full of a fire ant mound and running to another mound and dumping.(Talk about a fearless red army). That was the best what we had back in the day. Then Gee Dubyah had to come along and ruin all of our minds. I miss those good ole days.


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Crap I meant isn't G, PG, or PG-13 material.

Good point, perhaps we should tell him


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darkkt wrote:Actually, I have a lot of sympathy for the sentiment in this webpage, particularly:
What is not explained, is what is so good about having unwavering faith in the Emperor? Why would anyone want to do that? What's so hot about the Emperor that you'd give up your own one-time-only life, as a unique irreplaceable human being, and instead of exploring the world and enjoying life you shut off your brain and become the extension of somebody else's will.

Really, open your eyes people, dont blindly follow the emperor's mandates - Rebel against the oppression and rage against the Machine Spirit.

Consider giving up on this mind control, and enjoying the freedoms, liberty, and ability to choose that comes with dedicating your souls to the chaos gods.

Tzeentch - Change you can believe in.

Sign me up, I am tired of never see him fight. YOU PANSY... oh #%@


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Perturabo's Chosen wrote:The human race is doomed because we've eliminated natural selection. This is written by one of the stupid people that would not be able to survive on their own if the rest of the world wasn't supporting them. If only the Emperor was real, so we could kill undesirable genetic mutations like this idiot and preserve quality human DNA for the good of all mankind.

In the USA, you need a license to vote, a license to drive, even a license to own a car. But there are ZERO qualifications to have children; the greatest responsibility a person can have. Go figure.

Please enjoy this rant with a sense of irony and a grain of salt.

Enjoyed and agreed with. Shock value is pretty high on this subject. MY BABIES, who I hardly pay attention to when I am not abusing them NO NOT MY BABIES.

Eric

I request an Orkmoticon of an ork wearing a tinfoil hat



That request is seconded, and its overflowing with Win.

You have no idea how often I would use that one!!! At the beginning and end of each sentence, before the start of a paragraph, on the sides as margins. I mean their is no end to the reasons why you should actually make this one. Full of win for diggity-damn sure


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ungulateman wrote:The true irony is that Warhammer isn't aimed at children. Although judging by the size of the people in my LGS.....I can't tell anymore.

Those are not children, they are gnomes my friend. Some are friendly others want to throw your models across the room if you don't let them win.


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The10thnazgul wrote:


just gonna leave this here.....

Way too much win to count. I will take that "yoink"


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Dronze wrote:

oomiestompa wrote:Seriously, I bet a game called "Catholic Space Nazis" would sell like dollar lap dances.

But not as much as the expansion: "Catholic Space Nazis In Space!!"

Which has all those pesky rules for setting your Catholic Space Nazi campaign in, you know, space. My Level 6 Catachist Commandant just got the "Holy Crap" feat... letting him rebuke the Calvinist Space Zombies From Space with a +3 modifier when wielding his feces as a holy symbol.

, This game HAS to be made.


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olympia wrote:Clearly playing space marines is a gateway to becoming a full blown fascist.

At least you get to do it over a foamy glass of guinness though

Moving this thread as it impugns the greatness of country music (aka its really long and seriously OT).

Welcome to the hell of the OT Forum.

Frazzled wrote:Moving this thread as it impugns the greatness of country music (aka its really long and seriously OT).

Welcome to the hell of the OT Forum.

OH MAN "Frazzled Face-palms thread"