Well, I lied a little, counting the numerous paint splattered abortions many years ago, this lady is something like my eleventh space marine. Why female, you cry? Well, it's more for the 'fun factor' than anything else. This model is a one-off, so fluff purists (of whom I would consider myself a member) need not fear an army of blasphemous female space marines appearing on a gaming table near you any time soon.I started this little project off more as a test bed for some new techniques I wanted to try out. The main points were:

1. Make a truescale marine
2. Try some freehand instead of using decals like I usually do.
3. Test out a technique for making a marble effect base. - Technique taken from Chest of Colours
4. Mixing gloss and matt areas on a model.
5. And finally for kicks, see if I could make an "attractive" female space marine without resorting to sculpting planets onto the chestplate. I am aiming for a reasonably "realistic" portrayal of a female with a regular Space Marine's physique in power armour. So, no chestplate modifications, because if there's anything left underneath after all those space-steroids and hormones have done their work, it would be covered up by the incredibly thick plate of armour anyway. However, I did slim the body down a little, to help give a slightly more feminine cast to the model. Otherwise, the watchword here is "subtle".

I am pretty happy with the results of 1-4, and as for 5, well, that is awaiting judgement. Main modifications to the figure are the slimming of the legs during the lengthening process, adjusting the angle of the pelvis, trimming down the codpiece and of course, tacking on a nicely sculpted head I borrowed from another model. She was supposed to have a helmet and grenades attached to her belt as well, but I lost the helmet, and I was too lazy to paint the grenades.



Details:


WIP


Comments and criticisms welcomed as always.

Disclaimer - I do not believe in female space marines. I merely did it for kicks.

P.S Cookies for anyone who gets the references.

Personally i wouldn't mind versing against that female army, considering it doesn't have any breasts which is correct, so you have given the model the strength of the of a normal space marine but gives it the elegance of a female, kudos to you sir

That marine's got legs...

Great model, great paintjob. Now burn it and never speak of it again and we shall forgive you.

Very very nice 10/10

Now this is Truly Worthy to be called a Female Space Marine. Nice painting it deserves too!

I thought it turned out quite nice.

It looks good. I like the colour scheme and the freehand details on the armour.

LunaHound wrote:Very very nice 10/10

Now this is Truly Worthy to be called a Female Space Marine. Nice painting it deserves too!

100% agreed. Damn fine work.

Very nice. I do agree that it is very "iconic" you could say. Looks like a collectors item to me!

F.E.M.C and 13. Whats that mean then?

Excellent paint job, but I'm not as sold on the proportions. She would probably be fine if she was supposed to be wearing normal clothes, but Marines are supposed to be wearing several inches of ceramite. She must be extremely slender underneath all that, especially in the leg area

(admittedly its a problem with normal marines as well)

Top notch work sir!

vodski wrote:F.E.M.C and 13. Whats that mean then?

XIV is 14. Also sorry in advance if I offended you with this, as it wasn't my intention.

Nice work all round, Zandris. Love the red/white paint scheme and the resculpting is brilliantly done. The figure just *works*.

a very very nice model shame i despite female marines....

where is the head from btw?

Flinty wrote:Excellent paint job, but I'm not as sold on the proportions. She would probably be fine if she was supposed to be wearing normal clothes, but Marines are supposed to be wearing several inches of ceramite. She must be extremely slender underneath all that, especially in the leg area

(admittedly its a problem with normal marines as well)

The trouble with power armour in general is that if you want it to be properly realistic and fit a human inside you will end up with a design closer to Heinlein's "hydrocephalic gorilla" or one of the Masamune Shirow type landmate suits. If you did try to fit a human into GW-styled space marine armour, it will look odd. For example one of the miniature companies (Khurasan miniatures?) posted a suit of power armour a while back that was basically GW power armour resculpted around a human body. It looked really, really odd. The aesthetic was just not made for that kind of realism.

Thanks to everyone else fo the kind comments.

FEMC = First Eastern Mirage Corps

Edit - Roadkill, the head is from Sasha Dubois, Time Chaser by Reaper Miniatures.

ver nice I likes it

LunaHound wrote:Very very nice 10/10

Now this is Truly Worthy to be called a Female Space Marine. Nice painting it deserves too!

100% agreement here

IF i should comment on enything els it would be to extend the armor of the upper legs abit to get it closer to the bottom part of the groin protector

But its still an most excellent model!!

That is easily one of the nicest female SM Ive ever seen. You pulled this off awesomely

Awesome and realistic. Nice paintjob too.

And to those who say there are not, never have been, and never will be Female Space Marines, a pre-emptive 'you are a [expletive deleted].'

very nice,like to see a squad of themsisters of battle,they havepower armour,so female space marines i mean power armour is power armour

Great paint job.

Model sucks other than that.

No effort to make HER look like a woman.

1. Hands are too big. Same size as her head.
2. Waist is way to thick for being a woman.
3. No room for boobs. Armour has to have a differend design to accomidate breasts.

The base is amazing.

A++ for the paint and base.
F for not making the model look more like a woman.
4.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Great paint job.

Model sucks other than that.

No effort to make HER look like a woman.

1. Hands are too big. Same size as her head.
2. Waist is way to thick for being a woman.
3. No room for boobs. Armour has to have a differend design to accomidate breasts.

The base is amazing.

A++ for the paint and base.
F for not making the model look more like a woman.
4.

I'd suggest you take a look at modern military armor, and see what female soldiers are wearing.

Hell, just pop in 'Iron Man'.. RDJr says it best.



But anyway, Fantastic model.

Do you seriously think that Space Marines actually fill their armour completely?

It's what, half a fething foot thick?

She's in fething power armour. Of course you can't pick out body details. Do you think Terminator armour is well-proportioned? Why would they have such front-heavy helmets and wear armour that gives them hunchbacks?

PLEASE DO NOT RUIN THIS THREAD.

I think we mostly enjoy this model very much, and if you do not that is fine... but seriously keep the elaborate scientific explanations to yourself.

Armour is made to fill completely around the body. It's body armour. It's not an apartment. The thing about todays body armour is that it's just a chest piece and to be honest if a woman's breasts are too big the armour will not protect the wearer correctly.

Now onto Space Marine Armour. The Armour has it's own envirement. So the armour must fit correctly. This means that it needs to be molded to the person wearing it. So a thin waist on a woman is what you'd see. On top of it the hands alone are crazy big and a woman's hand would not fit into those gloves.

If any of you had gone to art class you'd understand that a woman's shoulders and hips are on the same vertical line. On men the armpit and the hips are on the same vertical line. So this model is based on the man figure and looks funny with a female head.

Crazy great paint job though.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:
1. Hands are too big. Same size as her head.
2. Waist is way to thick for being a woman.
3. No room for boobs. Armour has to have a differend design to accomidate breasts.

1. Try putting on some gloves. Notice how big your hand gets? Now put on another glove on top of that. See how much bigger your hand is now? Now imagine your hand encased in a half inch of armour.
2. Thin waists are on bodybuilders. Those with true upper body strength (i.e. weightlifters) are built like barrels. I fail to see why a space marine should be any different. And even if the waist was slimmer than that of a regular marine, why compromise on armour?
3. As I've mentioned before, even if there were boobs left, they would be covered up under the armour anyway, ergo the modifications are unseen. However, if you do insist upon titmarines, then I would suggest googling or searching this forum for some of Doctor Thunder's Black Widows. The "modifications" would suit your taste much more I believe.

Thank you for the kind comments otherwise, but I just wanted to set things straight.

P.S. Do Mauleed and Yakface know you're using their names?

Extra edit: The under-armour may be form fitted, but you have the plates on top which can be molded to whatever shape you need. See modern day spacesuits with multiple layers, or even old plate armour with the form fitting undergarments. And thank you for bringing in art class anatomy. Please, do have a look at Space Marine armour, and tell me if you can fit a regular human in there. There is a reason all those cosplay space marines look goofy as hell. I took artistic license to make the chest and torso wider, and used a small-ish head on the figure to give the impression of hulking armour, sure, I could have kept the torso slimmer, but the style of marine armour does not lend itself to that look, and it would be really odd. Now I can understand where you are coming from if you were talking about say.. Eldar miniatures, since they have closely form-fitting armour, but for Space marines, this isn't the case.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Great paint job.

Model sucks other than that.

AGAIN, the P&M Forum is a place for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM while maintaining a polite attitude.

If you don't like someone's work that much or a particular model, please feel free to ignore the thread entirely.

Love the miniature, wonderful work.

Hate the nerd rage in this thread


Edit: Btw OP, would you mind a picture of her next to one of her male counterparts? What are the proportion comparisons like? Is she a true scale marine or is she just as tall as normal marines?

Everyone - keep in mind this is the PAINTING and MODELING forum.

The correct place to debate the possibility of female Space Marines is in the BACKGROUND forum.

Beautiful work ZandrisIV I wish I had done my female marines more like yours, they would have looked a lot better. 10/10

I'll go with the gang who wished they had said what Luna said. It's not exagerated and still has a very feminine Air about it.

Grand work there.

ZandrisIV wrote:
FEMC = First Eastern Mirage Corps

Edit - Roadkill, the head is from Sasha Dubois, Time Chaser by Reaper Miniatures.

Omg, i was half asleep when i saw the picture. FEMC , she is a Fatima!

This is infintely better than scupting giant boobs on power armor.

Love the truescaling, the marble base, and the freehand work.

That's beautiful work there. The freehand and tight colour scheme are amazing. I like the weight and proportions you've given to her, and a great choice of heads.

Thanks for sharing this!

Incase people are confused about the proportion and small boobs , here are some pics
of why they are so slender.

This model is truly fantastic, exactly how i would envision female SM, ignore the losers that hate the model because they are desperate to seem breats on minatures.

And i must say that paint job is superb ! I would realyl like to see a comparison photo to a normal SM.

Wolf

P4NC4K3 says to all you FEMMARINES DOESNT EXISTZ OMGZORZ! people

"So you firmly belive in the possibility of angry, pointing men with alapeccia who fight hyperviolent fungus and emo space-elves in the name of a dead corpse sat on a toilet 38,000 years from now?"

LunaHound wrote:Incase people are confused about the proportion and small boobs , here are some pics
of why they are so slender.

FEMC 14 (XIV) is Sharie Randers Krotenschwanz, she's one of the headdliners, not a Fatima. If you remember the story, she's the one that chopped off her arm to resign from the Mirage Knights. Thinking of it, FSS really has lots of similiarities with 40k, what with God Emperors, supermen and some poor bloody regular humans trying to get by without getting instantly annihilated.

Beautiful stuff there, I think it looks better then most of the "standard" female SM models. Hell someone on BnC made a SoB that looked convincing without the "Boob" factor. Good style you have there too with the painting, I wish I was that perfect.

Wolf wrote:This model is truly fantastic, exactly how i would envision female SM, ignore the losers that hate the model because they are desperate to seem breats on minatures.

The greatest thing about the model is that the user (Doctor Thunder) who put breasts on his marines (Let's not go into discussing the merits of that. I quite liked the army, though) has given this model praise.


Also, I quite like the model that this thread was created for.

ZandrisIV wrote:

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:
1. Hands are too big. Same size as her head.
2. Waist is way to thick for being a woman.
3. No room for boobs. Armour has to have a differend design to accomidate breasts.

1. Try putting on some gloves. Notice how big your hand gets? Now put on another glove on top of that. See how much bigger your hand is now? Now imagine your hand encased in a half inch of armour.
2. Thin waists are on bodybuilders. Those with true upper body strength (i.e. weightlifters) are built like barrels. I fail to see why a space marine should be any different. And even if the waist was slimmer than that of a regular marine, why compromise on armour?
3. As I've mentioned before, even if there were boobs left, they would be covered up under the armour anyway, ergo the modifications are unseen. However, if you do insist upon titmarines, then I would suggest googling or searching this forum for some of Doctor Thunder's Black Widows. The "modifications" would suit your taste much more I believe.

Thank you for the kind comments otherwise, but I just wanted to set things straight.

P.S. Do Mauleed and Yakface know you're using their names?

Extra edit: The under-armour may be form fitted, but you have the plates on top which can be molded to whatever shape you need. See modern day spacesuits with multiple layers, or even old plate armour with the form fitting undergarments. And thank you for bringing in art class anatomy. Please, do have a look at Space Marine armour, and tell me if you can fit a regular human in there. There is a reason all those cosplay space marines look goofy as hell. I took artistic license to make the chest and torso wider, and used a small-ish head on the figure to give the impression of hulking armour, sure, I could have kept the torso slimmer, but the style of marine armour does not lend itself to that look, and it would be really odd. Now I can understand where you are coming from if you were talking about say.. Eldar miniatures, since they have closely form-fitting armour, but for Space marines, this isn't the case.

1. I could put on five pairs of gloves and they would not be bigger than my head. Hell I've had hockey gloves that were not bigger than my head. Nice try on th at one.
2. If you are telling me that the model you have is a weightlifter than her head is way to thin and delicate. Weightlifters as you so call them do not have small heads. They also still comply with the shoulder to hip ratio. It's called a skeleton.
3. Modifications to armour would not be unseen. To make armour fit correctly it would always be modified.

LOL on the name.

Extra Edit You can not take a space suit and compare it to combat armour. A space suit is not going to stop a regular bullet as a regular bullet bounces off Space Marine armour. Also the use of each as you can plainly see are two different things. As for your form fitting comment. A womans form could never fit into the armour you have made. The arms are way to long. The hips are way to narrow. The head to small for the form inside the armour.

Again great job on the paint job. One of the best I have seen on here. Your base is freaking awesome and I have not seen someone do that before. I'm awestruck at your painting ability.

I however will not be feed BS about how a woman looks in power armour. Even if the space marine armour is not form fitting there is no way a woman would fit into the armour you made.

Wow, this is a truly fantastic mod and paint job. Great work

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:<snip>ENDLESSRAGE<snip>

Can't we all relax, you probably couldn't fit all those organs in a human body to make a space marine to begin with anyway. There just wouldn't be enough blood for them all. We could nip pick at everything here, but you have to face it, the model looks good and it looks (as far as most 40k models are concerned) within the legitimate parameters for reasonable proportion.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote: Even if the space marine armour is not form fitting there is no way a woman would fit into the armour you made.

Looks fine to me...

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:They also still comply with the shoulder to hip ratio. It's called a skeleton.

How exactly does a woman's skeleton look after she's been impanted with the Ossmudula?

(I do think the thighs are too small, but I have that problem with most space marine models. All things considered I think it looks pretty good.)

Looking at the unpainted picture, the unarmored model would have to have breasts the size of small moons for there to be any need to visibly alter the armor. And not all female in armor have to have boobs sculpted onto their armor in the same way that Greeks had sixpacks sculpted onto theirs. (Ceremonial breasts?)

lalabox wrote:Looking at the unpainted picture, the unarmored model would have to have breasts the size of small moons for there to be any visible alteration to the armor. And not all female in armor have to have boobs sculpted onto their armor in the same way that Greeks had sixpacks sculpted onto theirs. (Ceremonial breasts?)

Its hard to say really , it all comes down to style over practicality .
You can either feminize with more closely fitting armor and add lots of curves

or thats like saying male marine armor should be like the michelin tire mascot ( yes extreme example , but hope you see what i mean )

GW should hire you.

LoL...
sorry but I laughed a little at some of the comments here.

Really well done model. Dont change a thing about it.

Very nice model, I love everything about it. She reminds me of Samus though.

ooh well painted definately and grey stuff is okay but i cant tell what parts exaclty are converted, besides the upper legs? and the waist?
put definately a sweet model



mauleedlovesYakeface... back under your bridge please

That's how a female marine should look. Great job.

ZandrisIV wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Incase people are confused about the proportion and small boobs , here are some pics
of why they are so slender.

FEMC 14 (XIV) is Sharie Randers Krotenschwanz, she's one of the headdliners, not a Fatima. If you remember the story, she's the one that chopped off her arm to resign from the Mirage Knights. Thinking of it, FSS really has lots of similiarities with 40k, what with God Emperors, supermen and some poor bloody regular humans trying to get by without getting instantly annihilated.

Nicely done on both the model AND the paint job!

OK, now I'm interested in the anime inspiration too.

What is it called, so that I can hopefully Netflix it?

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:
2. If you are telling me that the model you have is a weightlifter than her head is way to thin and delicate. Weightlifters as you so call them do not have small heads.

Uh...I lift weights and the size of my head, ie, my skull hasn't changed. However my muscle tissue has increased in size. Maybe you should go brush up on that whole skeleton thing yourself?

Alpharius wrote:

ZandrisIV wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Incase people are confused about the proportion and small boobs , here are some pics
of why they are so slender.

FEMC 14 (XIV) is Sharie Randers Krotenschwanz, she's one of the headdliners, not a Fatima. If you remember the story, she's the one that chopped off her arm to resign from the Mirage Knights. Thinking of it, FSS really has lots of similiarities with 40k, what with God Emperors, supermen and some poor bloody regular humans trying to get by without getting instantly annihilated.

Nicely done on both the model AND the paint job!

OK, now I'm interested in the anime inspiration too.

What is it called, so that I can hopefully Netflix it?

They are from Five Star Stories ( F.S.S ) , imo the most ancient (1986 )yet still best looking of all mechas.
This site seem to have very detailed info: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/

Here is a conversion pic , built with Kawasaki Ninja ( motorcycle model ) If he ever gets into warhammer im sure he'll wins some GD lol....

The hips and the armpits are on the same line. No matter what the people here are trying to show with the figure inside the model. If the armpits line up with the hips then it's a man. If the outside of the shoulders match up with the hips it's a woman. Plan and simple. Muscle grows on top of the skeleton. You don't have muscle on your skull. This is why it stays the same size. Your armpits are still going to match your hips if you are a man that lifts weights.

I can take away the breast part for arguement but you can't take away the way a woman is made up and they do not have that shape.

The model is awesome as for the painting. As for looking like a woman in power armour it falls short.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:The hips and the armpits are on the same line. No matter what the people here are trying to show with the figure inside the model. If the armpits line up with the hips then it's a man. If the outside of the shoulders match up with the hips it's a woman. Plan and simple. Muscle grows on top of the skeleton. You don't have muscle on your skull. This is why it stays the same size. Your armpits are still going to match your hips if you are a man that lifts weights.

I can take away the breast part for arguement but you can't take away the way a woman is made up and they do not have that shape.

The model is awesome as for the painting. As for looking like a woman in power armour it falls short.

Still think the marine models looks fine to me.

Once again, people, THE SKELETAL STRUCTURE OF A SPACE MARINE IS ALTERED BY THE IMPLANTS THEY RECEIVE.

Do men have fused ribcages? Do they commonly grow to be eight feet tall? NO THEY DON'T BUT SOMEHOW SPACE MARINES HAVE THOSE TRAITS.


CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

LunaHound wrote:

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:The hips and the armpits are on the same line. No matter what the people here are trying to show with the figure inside the model. If the armpits line up with the hips then it's a man. If the outside of the shoulders match up with the hips it's a woman. Plan and simple. Muscle grows on top of the skeleton. You don't have muscle on your skull. This is why it stays the same size. Your armpits are still going to match your hips if you are a man that lifts weights.

I can take away the breast part for arguement but you can't take away the way a woman is made up and they do not have that shape.

The model is awesome as for the painting. As for looking like a woman in power armour it falls short.

Still think the marine models looks fine to me.

That is disturbing....

RE: Comments about never being Female Space Marines. EVER.

I recall there being female space marines way way way back in Rogue trader days. There is art of one in the original book (she has on a flying nun hat on a 2 page art piece) long before marines were ever genetically modified super suds. There are also 2 figures in the Adventurers range advertised in White Dwarf 90, or 92 (don’t have my collection out of storage so I cannot site page number off hand).


I also like the true scaling work you have done here. The waist looks a little wonky in the grey pictures, but for some reason it did not extend to the painted version.

@EdlovesJon

I love arguing with random people on the Internet.

1. Perhaps my example was a little too subtle, or did you miss the part about imagining there being an inch of armour encasing your hand?
2. Others have already pointed this out, but do note that while your skull remains the same size, an increased muscle bulk will make your head seem smaller in comparison.
3. You can modify cars in such a way that your finished product has far better performance than the stock model, while looking no different from the outside, why should armour be any different?

A space suit is indeed an excellent analogy to armour, as I wil elaborate Historically, plate armour wearers had a leather undergarment, followed by a chain mail surcoat, which was then topped off by the plate armour itself. Modern day combat armour is worn on top of fatigues, and would consist of a kevlar vest with pockets for ceramic plates (analogous to the historical chain + plate mail). A space suit has a form fitting under layer, with additional layers laced together on top of it to provide insulation, protection against micrometeoroids etc. For EVA (ExtraVehicular Activity) use, you have more layers on top of that to accomodate extra insulation and protection. Some versions have a hard chest and torso plates as well. If you think carefully, it is really built like armour, just that it's armour against the elements rather than against bullets. Space Marine armour is supposed to be sealed environmentally as well, so it stands to reason that underneath the ceramic plates and power-assist, you would have a structure very similar to that of a space suit. And if you look at a space suit, it makes the wearer completely androgynous, like the Michelin man.

As for realism and whether or not someone would actually fit into the suit, it just doesn't work because no human can fit into one of those things, whether my modified model or the original. As you can see from luminaires like the following: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/costumes-101-16.jpg fitting a human with regular proportions into space marine armour is really weird. I do believe GW took artistic license in the design of the suits, in that the armour as a whole was designed on the 8-head high superhuman scheme rather than the armour being designed around a human. Hence why the armour has regular human proportions, despite the fact that it's supposed to be inches thick at places. This extends into certain "deformities" in the design as well, notable among them the hands. While I did argue above that armour would make the hands bigger, it still doesn't alter the fact that GW's hands are grossly oversized (all their models suffer from this) in comparison to the rest of the body. I do believe this was done as a conscious stylistic choice, to make the model 'pop' more on the tabletop. As I was not prepared to invest the time in resculpting the hands, I just rationalise them as being bigger due to the armour. At least on marines there is a valid rationalisation, the Fantasy Zombies have similarly sized hands to marines and they're supposed to be rotting and naked.

tl:dr - I took certain artistic liberties with the design of the model, erring on the side of attractiveness against realism. In comparison with the original, which was neither realistic nor attractive, I call it an improvement.

With regards to the base, I actually took the technique from here: http://www.chestofcolors.com/cofc-postnuke/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=45&page=1 I had to modify it a little because my washes ended up being a bit too strong, so I washed all the marble areas with a thinned down glaze of white. Also, if you want that really shiny polished marble look, use several coats of gloss varnish (or future floor wax) on it.

@Alpharius

Five Star Stories is an old (and still technically running) manga series by manga artist Mamoru Nagano. The guy's got one whacked up imagination, and you can get scans of the series online if you google around a little. Don't bother looking for the originals, because it is OOP and exceedingly difficult to find even when it *was* in print...

Well ZandrisIV , i basically tried to explain to others what you just said with the Michelin tire pic lol , but i guess i failed :<

@Luna

I'm just really really verbose... Don't worry about it.

Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.


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Oh I just seen your response.

Putting a 7'5" person in armour that only fits a 7'0" person is not going to fit correctly.

Putting a man with a 70" chest is not going to wear the same armour that a man with a 75" chest.

A woman that has breasts is not going to be put into a piece of armour that does not fit her.

We are not talking lose fitting clothing. We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove. Speaking of gloves an inch think glove is not going to make a womans hand bigger than her head. Woman tend to have small hands.

It's nice that you can just make things up to try to support your arguement.

I have modified one of your pictures and if you have an e-mail i'll send it to you. It still looks good and it looks more like a woman wearing armour.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.

And which drug is this that is able to change their skeletal structure?

Nice try.

I know many people have been wanting to say this but they didnt want to be rude , so i'll say it.
Lets see you do better , then we'll talk.

LunaHound wrote:

And which drug is this that is able to change their skeletal structure?

Nice try.

I know many people have been wanting to say this but they didnt want to be rude , so i'll say it.
Lets see you do better , then we'll talk.

Ummm, my guess would be the drug that helps you forget that someone's brutally changing your bones? BAD NEWS: We're going to break and reset your bones. GOOD NEWS: Lookit all this morphine.....

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.


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Oh I just seen your response.

Putting a 7'5" person in armour that only fits a 7'0" person is not going to fit correctly.

Putting a man with a 70" chest is not going to wear the same armour that a man with a 75" chest.

A woman that has breasts is not going to be put into a piece of armour that does not fit her.

.

You seem to be under the impression that all women have DD chests or something or another. \
If you've looked at LunaHound's comparison, the women of that anime/manga seem to be as flatchested as a man.

And anyways, can't it be assumed it has form fitting on the INSIDE of the armor?
Oh, and look at women in the military. http://www.jezblog.com/images/20080723235804_us-woman-soldier-52.jpg

Do you see any indication that she has breasts? I don't.

Model looks great!

Great model! No matter what anyone says.

We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove.

Since when is SM power armor "form-fitting"? I'm curious. I've never read anything in the fluff that would say it is "form-fitting. All I know about SM srmor is that it ceramite plate and that it connects to the SM black carapace. Doesn't say how it is attached to the black carapace either. Could be attached using cables for all I know. I do know from reading the books though that a SM wears a body glove under power armor. So I would think the armor isn't directly connected to the black carapace, but most likely through some type of cable/port system.

I thought I felt my neckbeard tingling...

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ZandrisIV wrote:
5. And finally for kicks, see if I could make an "attractive" female space marine without resorting to sculpting planets onto the chestplate.

Mission accomplished!

Great work. I like the head you used. Is this going to be a whole army or was this one for display purposes/fun?

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

Because space marines are really natural and don't take anything to change their bodies.

@EdlovesJon

For someone who seems to be wilfully ignoring every point I make to regurgitate the same tired arguments over and over, I love how you are accusing ME of making stuff up. Actually do some research before posting, because I did, and I would rather not waste my time arguing with you if you can't be bothered to back your statements up properly.

1. Space marines have implants coming out the wazoo that meddle with their body's metabolism natural growth. What is this nonsense about taking testosterone? The drug you are looking for is anabolic steroids, which has some androgenic effects (like testosterone) in addition to its anabolic (muscle building effects). High levels of testosterone on its own merely reduces the feminine secondary sexual characteristics but AFAIK has no anabolic or strength enhancing effects.

2. I still don't see how you fail to understand that the internal structure of the armour can be form-fitted to accomodate breasts while retaining a neutral external appearance. Plus, a female who has undergone that much therapy (assuming that Space-Marinization doesn't effectively turn them into males) and exercise will *not* have much in terms of breasts. Many people have posted photos and references to female bodybuilders, have you bothered to even look at them? Their pectorals look EXACTLY the same like those of their male counterparts, in fact, without the bikinis you would be hard pressed to tell they were female in the first place!

3. The same way women tend to have smaller hands, they also tend to have smaller heads. Learn your anatomy before opening your mouth the next time.

4. Re: photo If you think it looks good, why not just post it in this thread? There's nothing stopping you. If you refuse to accept my opinions as being valid (even if you disagree with them), then I have no obligation to accept yours.

@djphrang

It's a one shot only. Wanted to try out some freehanding and the marble effects, as well as try my hand at truescaling a marine. The modification process I did is not quite as convenient to execute as some of the others out there, hence building an army of them is not practical. In any case, I've said before that I personally don't believe in femmarines, so I wouldn't build an army of them anyway. As a one off display piece it's fine, but I wouldn't field an army of them.

I wish she was my girlfriend.

Screw the whole do they don't they fit in this universe debate.

As mentioned this is the painting and modeling section, and they are brilliant on both counts.

Ironhide wrote:Great model! No matter what anyone says.

We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove.

Since when is SM power armor "form-fitting"? I'm curious. I've never read anything in the fluff that would say it is "form-fitting. All I know about SM srmor is that it ceramite plate and that it connects to the SM black carapace. Doesn't say how it is attached to the black carapace either. Could be attached using cables for all I know. I do know from reading the books though that a SM wears a body glove under power armor. So I would think the armor isn't directly connected to the black carapace, but most likely through some type of cable/port system.

LOL! It IS attached by cables....

@mauleedlovesyakface: Why are we talking about natural bodies in the context of spess mahreens? They have 18 genetic implants which give them two hearts, instant scar tissue, a super-stomach which lets them get the memories of what they're eating, super-vision, a third kidney that lets them survive just about any poison, a second super-stomach, a fused and hardened skeleton, super-blood, a third bio-engineered lung, a super-ear which also stops them being dizzy, acid spit, a poisonous bite, a plastic rib-covering with interfaces for the power armour, a sense of smell like a tracker dog's, a super sense of taste, an ability to stay awake for upwards of 240 days AND the phase 3 Biscopaea, which is basically a testosterone and steroid factory inside the marine's body.
And you're arguing that a drug altered body is not in context? Good luck with winning this argument.

Like the model though.

Wow, weird thread arguing against female space marines. For all those female space marines, just know that Chaos will happily accept your worship... ladies.

In any case, modelling is awesome, and the painting is win too.

You have no idea about how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Look up some of Doc Thunder's threads. And then cower in fear.

Little late in showing up to comment on the model.

Nice, however, a couple of suggestions.


More skin
Bigger ta-ta's.

Ah, yes, she would be much more protected in knee high leather boots and fishnet stockings

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Ah, yes, she would be much more protected in knee high leather boots and fishnet stockings

My point exactly...I mean, with a low cut breastplate, I can see her now.

To the Khorne Berserker...."You wouldnt hurt....*these* would you?" cradling her bosums.

Well, if he's making a throne from skulls, maybe Khorne makes his bed from... maybe not.

Very nice work.

If she were a Slaaneshi marine, she'd need at least 6 breasts though.

1) When I wear cricket gloves, my hands get pretty damned big. Not as big as mu head, but close enough to not let it worry me in the context of a plastic model.
2) Spaz Muhreenz don't have babies, not even Gurl Spez Murnz. If the boobies would get in the way, I'm betting the science boffins would feel little guilt about chopping the useless boobies off altogether. I suddenly wonder if Boi Spaz Manz even keep their peepees, or if they have an artificial tube leading directly into a catheter.

Could we please stay on subject please and not deviate from whats important.

Whats important being, of course, HUGE Spaize Marinette Dairy Pillows.

Deadshane,

Doc Thunder's threads are that way --->

4chan is this way <---

I am sure they will both satisfy your cravings for HUEG SPAZE MARINEH DAIRY PILLOWS.

Unfortunately, my tastes tend to a little more moderate :(. I blame genetics.

Psst, also, it takes *real skillz* to sculpt nice looking bare skin and low cut armour. Unfortunately I am not in possession of those skills. Too many robots and spaceships in my childhood.

ZandrisIV wrote:Well, I lied a little, counting the numerous paint splattered abortions many years ago, this lady is something like my eleventh space marine. Why female, you cry? Well, it's more for the 'fun factor' than anything else. This model is a one-off, so fluff purists (of whom I would consider myself a member) need not fear an army of blasphemous female space marines appearing on a gaming table near you any time soon.I started this little project off more as a test bed for some new techniques I wanted to try out. The main points were:

1. Make a truescale marine
2. Try some freehand instead of using decals like I usually do.
3. Test out a technique for making a marble effect base. - Technique taken from Chest of Colours
4. Mixing gloss and matt areas on a model.
5. And finally for kicks, see if I could make an "attractive" female space marine without resorting to sculpting planets onto the chestplate. I am aiming for a reasonably "realistic" portrayal of a female with a regular Space Marine's physique in power armour. So, no chestplate modifications, because if there's anything left underneath after all those space-steroids and hormones have done their work, it would be covered up by the incredibly thick plate of armour anyway. However, I did slim the body down a little, to help give a slightly more feminine cast to the model. Otherwise, the watchword here is "subtle".

I am pretty happy with the results of 1-4, and as for 5, well, that is awaiting judgement. Main modifications to the figure are the slimming of the legs during the lengthening process, adjusting the angle of the pelvis, trimming down the codpiece and of course, tacking on a nicely sculpted head I borrowed from another model. She was supposed to have a helmet and grenades attached to her belt as well, but I lost the helmet, and I was too lazy to paint the grenades.



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Comments and criticisms welcomed as always.

Disclaimer - I do not believe in female space marines. I merely did it for kicks.

P.S Cookies for anyone who gets the references.

Coming in late as I saw this after the thread was reported. I love it. excellent job of painting. The concept of a female space marine fits excellently with my view on what that would be like (aka non-material fdifference). Excellent.

Here is what it should look like.

Here is another that I did.

yeah,
awesome thread! I love a bit of nerd rage and a uber troll.

I like the original mini alot but have to agree with MLY his photoshoped image looks better. but it would have taken much more effort to sculpt.

Panic...

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.


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Oh I just seen your response.

Putting a 7'5" person in armour that only fits a 7'0" person is not going to fit correctly.

Putting a man with a 70" chest is not going to wear the same armour that a man with a 75" chest.

A woman that has breasts is not going to be put into a piece of armour that does not fit her.

We are not talking lose fitting clothing. We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove. Speaking of gloves an inch think glove is not going to make a womans hand bigger than her head. Woman tend to have small hands.

It's nice that you can just make things up to try to support your arguement.

I have modified one of your pictures and if you have an e-mail i'll send it to you. It still looks good and it looks more like a woman wearing armour.

Christ... Learn when to let it go...

Armor fitting like a glove; look especially at the model in the bottom left corner.


AND armor composed of layers of cement and ultra-hard metal:


Oh my GAWD! Can it be?

Space Marines wear tank armor. That is an undisputed fact; even the rules illustrate that, stating when a model with a 3+ save is on a vehicle that would normally make it open topped, the vehicle is in fact, not open topped.

Tank armor. You think they're going to curve cement and uber-metals for women? Or just have a body glove, then put on the tank armor after? With all that weight, I think breasts would not really stand out.

Now stop talking. Good God.

Rico...

Fallout 3 Power Armour. No boobs on any of the female troops there..........

Frag vest in the military don't have boob shaped ballistic plates either.

Mat

Terran Medic is still the sexiest lady in power armour ever envisioned

(picture 28 here)

From an artistic standpoint, let's ignore the fact that putting breasts on armor actually hurts the purpose quite a bit. Sure, diverting an enemy blade into the center of your chest rather than away and off to the sides seems like bad design, but that's not what we're going for here.

The fact that she does not have breasts sculpted onto her armor or super thin armor that fits like a glove gives her a kind of slightly overweight look. Mind, a super-strong woman is not actually going to look like Supergirl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Zena, but that's the cultural expectation.

On realistic armor, we expect functionality. But in fantasy artwork, it is just accepted that women wear useless things to enhance their figure.

I think she looks great, by the way, and she's a little reminiscent of Kev White's Libby:





Of course, I would expect an actual Barbarian woman to look more like this anyway.

Mad because I proved a point.

This thread is momentarily closed. Will re-open in a bit so please don't PM me.

Except you Luna (in case I forget to re-open the mind wanders at my what were we talking about again?)


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thanks!

Normally I hate the concept of female space marines but this is the first female SM model I've seen that not only looked proportionately correct, but didn't have a planet halved onto her chest like you mentioned earlier.

I'm curious about the base. Did you freehand that design on?

Flinty's got it right, the Starcraft Terran Medic is the look I was more or less aiming for.

MLM, while I appreciate that your photoshopped version has its merits, I feel that it loses the whole "hulking space marine" aspect. In my book, the amour *must* look heavy, and slimming it in the manner you do takes away from that effect. There's a guy out there that sculpted a femmarine in the style you've described, but apart from the beaky helm, it doesn't look like a space marine anymore, more like a heavily armoured Eldar.

Odinsgrandson, your points are entirely correct with regards to cultural expectations vs reality. However, another problem with making the armour thinner and sculpting on boobs is the fact that would make the model look like a SoB by diluting the distinctive appearance of SM power armour. In a case of confused gender identities such as this, with no fluff basis, I feel that it is important to emphasize the fact that this is a FEMALE SPACE MARINE and not something which others may argue to bea SoB. The fact that it looks more realistic is just icing on the cake.

@Frazzled

Thank you for your comments and for stepping in.

@The Gopher

Head was pulled from Sasha Dubois, Timechaser, she's a model from Reaper's Chronoscape series.

Hands down one of the best Fem Marines I've seen.

I have to say I usually don't comment on the whole no female space marines BS, but this model really stands out as far as the painting and the just the look of her.

It isn't gratuitous, mysogynistic (sp?), or lewd. I like that fact that she looks like what women would look like in standard issue armor.

In the US military they do not have male or female armor. They have small, medium, or large. They don't sculpt breasts, nor do they hem in shoulder to hip ratios. They just make the armor one size fits all. I think ZandrisIV captures that look.

Another thing to consider is that the female breast is essentially 80% fat. Most women who work out lose their breast fat quickly and have to have implants to retain the shape of breasts. So if the Female Space Marine would have to undergo the same process then they more than likely lost their shapely chest. So there would be room in the chest cavity presented on the model.

Zandris IV, you've done an awesome job with this model. How much truescaling did you do with it? If you truescaled a male marine would it be taller?

I have to ask where did you get the head for this and where might a find a lot of different style female heads ??

ZandrisIV wrote:Flinty's got it right, the Starcraft Terran Medic is the look I was more or less aiming for.

MLM, while I appreciate that your photoshopped version has its merits, I feel that it loses the whole "hulking space marine" aspect. In my book, the amour *must* look heavy, and slimming it in the manner you do takes away from that effect. There's a guy out there that sculpted a femmarine in the style you've described, but apart from the beaky helm, it doesn't look like a space marine anymore, more like a heavily armoured Eldar.

Odinsgrandson, your points are entirely correct with regards to cultural expectations vs reality. However, another problem with making the armour thinner and sculpting on boobs is the fact that would make the model look like a SoB by diluting the distinctive appearance of SM power armour. In a case of confused gender identities such as this, with no fluff basis, I feel that it is important to emphasize the fact that this is a FEMALE SPACE MARINE and not something which others may argue to bea SoB. The fact that it looks more realistic is just icing on the cake.

@Frazzled

Thank you for your comments and for stepping in.

@The Gopher

Head was pulled from Sasha Dubois, Timechaser, she's a model from Reaper's Chronoscape series.

Look up to see what head he used.

Btw, I think the starcraft medic idea really shows in this model; in fact it looks cooler and much less like an ancient diving suit.

I am also glad your thread didn't fully smash into hi-jacked thread mode, in regards to the fem-marine debate... totally ridiculous...no offense, but yeah...