Went to see this today during work (man I love my job!).
Got to say, I seriously liked it! The same problem remains from the first one where you don't really meet the Autobots or Decepticons as characters (indeed, there is at least one Autobot I still don't know the name of. How irritating!). On the bright side, Jetfire is nuts hard and really cool.
Also, I was under the impression having your skull stabbed with a red hot sword, let alone Optimus Prime's red hot sword (oooh! MATRON!) would be a fatal encounter, yet Bonecrusher turns up.
The rest of the characters are good enough though, and overall, I'd rate it as well above mere Brain Bubblegum!
Many Baysplosions, but I don't recall much back sliding nonsense.
However, Prime taking on Megatron, Starscream and Blackout is a scene made of solid win!
Seriously, ropey as some bits might be (enough with the parents ta) the action scenes are spot on. Had to stop myself cheering on the good guys at times.
Though I do hope they use 'The Touch' in the next one, ideally for the big showdown fight!
Could had been made even better by shedding some of the unnecessary comic scenes, the bit with the mother in the college for example and the whole thing would have been better had it been about 30 minutes shorter. As MDK said a few too many transformers involved perhaps, as we didn't get much of a chance to meet them all. There was one Autobot who looked surprisingly like Jazz and transformed into a sports car but an introduction was never made.
Oh and the 'twins' can feth right off. Not since Jar Jar Binks have I wished such painful deaths upon comic relief characters.
Those are my only complaints mind. The fights scenes are awesome and the conclusion is just pure military grade war porn.
Oh and a quick question to the American film goers, did Jetfire have a British accent in your version or not?
Could had been made even better by shedding some of the unnecessary comic scenes, the bit with the mother in the college for example and the whole thing would have been better had it been about 30 minutes shorter. As MDK said a few too many transformers involved perhaps, as we didn't get much of a chance to meet them all. There was one Autobot who looked surprisingly like Jazz and transformed into a sports car but an introduction was never made.
Oh and the 'twins' can feth right off. Not since Jar Jar Binks have I wished such painful deaths upon comic relief characters.
Those are my only complaints mind. The fights scenes are awesome and the conclusion is just pure military grade war porn.
Oh and a quick question to the American film goers, did Jetfire have a British accent in your version or not?
Its not out in the US yet my good Sir, but I'm sure he will.
Oh yes. I took 3 hours out of my shift yesterday to attend the first local showing. Worked out quite nice, as in the 4 hours and 15 minutes I worked, I made £66. Then another £34 afterwards before I got bored and hacked off at the traffic and nicked off home.
Oh, and Cock-er-nee Rhyming slang is generally made up on the spot, and certainly moves with the times. I think we can all fill in the blanks if I called someone a James Blunt.
Could had been made even better by shedding some of the unnecessary comic scenes, the bit with the mother in the college for example and the whole thing would have been better had it been about 30 minutes shorter. As MDK said a few too many transformers involved perhaps, as we didn't get much of a chance to meet them all. There was one Autobot who looked surprisingly like Jazz and transformed into a sports car but an introduction was never made.
Oh and the 'twins' can feth right off. Not since Jar Jar Binks have I wished such painful deaths upon comic relief characters.
Those are my only complaints mind. The fights scenes are awesome and the conclusion is just pure military grade war porn.
Oh and a quick question to the American film goers, did Jetfire have a British accent in your version or not?
That Sports Car was actually Sideswipe, if you remember the old comics/cartoons he was the Red Lambourghini twinned with Sunstreaker, the yellow one.
I dunno the bit with the mother in the college was just funny, albiet unnecessary it was funny, i could even imagine my mother doing something like that on the day I moved into uni.
I call the best CGI, at least I've seen. I think I was one of the few thinking "WOW that must have been an effort to make," while watching the epicness.
That and the camera angles in some of the shots... well, that did it for me.
Now I want Battletech movies. I want to see the Clan Invasion! I would even put up with the occasional scene of Phelan sitting around in his silly mask feeling sorry for himself.
That was exactly the kind of movie I expected. I had a giant grin on my face for the whole time. Granted, is has the same issues as the previous one. Too many annoying humans . Though the parents were a lot less annoying than that black kid and the other girl in the first movie. They were just utterly useless. Also, though the movie was indeed a tad too long, it could've used more slowmotion, some of the fights where really hard to follow.
What did I like? Everything else!
The beef is a nice actor and it's good to see him in a sequel which does the original justice unlike that other Spielberg-produced sequel.
So it really was Bonecrusher? I mean, there are a lof of Decpticons at that battle, could've been someone new. There was a another heli as well.
Jetfire is pure win. He's my new favourite . The one scene with sideswipe was pretty cool too, though I never saw enough of the robot-girl-biker Arcee.
One thing I found strange:
Spoiler:
Couldn't they have used the Allspark splinter to resurect Prime?
For everyone who hasn't seen it yet: if you enjoyed the first movie, you're gonna love this one. If you didn't like the first movie, well, this has just more of everything. Make out of that what you will
So the poor dialogue didnt bother any of you? No one was bothered by poor character developement and the ton of extra robots that were just chunked in? Did anyone but me watch G1? Yea the fight scenes were orgasmic, but the story lacked alot imo. Hey guys, to make energon we need to blow up the sun WHILE WE'RE ON THE PLANET ASIT HAPPENS! Who cares if we cant live through the super nova to collect the stuff, atleast our decipticon ashes can go SCREW YOU to the human and autobot ones. And people got to do a fan vote of which transformer they wanted in the movie. Soundwave got it big time. How much air time did he get? Less than 5 minutes. One of the biggest badasses in the whole transformer series ever created, sits on a satelite, and does nothing except spit out Ravage to go kick ass. He was a god in G1. He looks like a wierdo with that beard and crown thingy going on. What was wrong with that knightly looking head he had before? His voice shouldve been way creepier. And all he does is watch and listen. You think when they railed gun Devestator, Soundwave couldve given him a heads up. AND THE FREAKIN TWINS WERE ROCKING DEVESTATOR! HOW THE HELL DOES THAT HAPPEN!?!?!?! And for everyone that didnt watch transformers before they probably dont even know that those construction cars/equipment whatever you wanna call them can transform into their own personal robot and then pop together to make Devestator. Thank god that the twins somehow disappeared for the last bits of the movie, and if they died why weren't we rewarded with their death? I bet people wouldve liked to have gotten more character developement from atleast the newly introduced autobots. That fallen dude was a freak too, they shouldve replaced him with the Quintisons. And at the end they throw in some stuff from transformers armada. WHY?!?! That show sucked. I feel that this movie didn't pay omage to transformers like the first one. Im not satisfied by only flashy lights and big explosions. This isnt something thats gonna make me watch it over and over again like the first one. Its like other awesome series. Aliens, first one you can watch over and over and not get tired of it. 3rd one makes you wanna cry by how badly the series was ruined. Predator, first one is totally nut busting. Second one, HE GETS KILLED BY AN OVER WEIGHT COP THAT PROBABLY CANT CATCH HIS SUSPECTS ON FOOT IF HE HAD TOO! IN LOFERS! WHY!?!?!?!?! If all we want is flashy lights and big booms what makes this any different than any other robot movie? Transformers was unique b/c of its humanistic characteristics that was made with the bots. And if the whole conflict is about collecting energon by blowing up a sun, how hard is it to make another one of those guns, and going to another solar system? They couldve skipped the whole being killed by prime part. Theres a countless number of stars, ours isnt any special. And im sure that the plans for making those sun killers is lying around somewhere.
I was kinda disapointed in that you didn't really get to know the Autobots and Decepticons, the only notable ones being the twins, Optimus, Megatron, and Jetfire. It's like the other ones were just "Filler"
Jacksonhighlander wrote:So the poor dialogue didnt bother any of you? No one was bothered by poor character developement and the ton of extra robots that were just chunked in? Did anyone but me watch G1? Yea the fight scenes were orgasmic, but the story lacked alot imo. Hey guys, to make energon we need to blow up the sun WHILE WE'RE ON THE PLANET ASIT HAPPENS! (...)
Okay, you didn't like the movie. I understand that. But please, do me us a favor. There is a rather large button on your keybord. If you're Keyboard looks in any way like mine, it should be right next to the # symbol. There's a l-shaped arrow on it. Next time you write more than 3 sentences, try to use it from time to time.
Thanks.
Back on topic: 22% percent on the tomatometer. Come on, it wasn't that bad.
saw it the other day and felt that they had too much going on,my friend said the story line looked like it was going somewhere but it instead had a plot twist.
the film had a lot of special effects and it should have focoused more on character development so when they died we were sad for them yeah some people died
IMO the film was made better by either by having read some of the comics or the cartoon for adequit character development.
Frazzled wrote:Transformers? Character development? Why? Thats valuable minutes that would be taken away from Megan Fox and/or killer robot action.
Hear Hear I knew what I was getting with Transformers, if I wanted it to be like the cartoon I would just watch the cartoon/animated movie. If it was going to be a big summer blockbuster I wanted Giant Robots beating seven shades out of each other and Megan Fox's boobs and backside in as many shots as possible.
Okay, you didn't like the movie. I understand that. But please, do me us a favor. There is a rather large button on your keybord. If you're Keyboard looks in any way like mine, it should be right next to the # symbol. There's a l-shaped arrow on it. Next time you write more than 3 sentences, try to use it from time to time. Thanks.
If we're honestly gonna complain about how i wrote my paragraph, then lets do assume we are using the exact same keyboard. On mine theres something to the LEFT of the Q button, its got a TAB over two arrows.
Terrible in every aspect. Literally plotless and characterless, with rampant stereotyping and misogyny. Some decent action beats, adding up to maybe a minute.
I didn't think it would be good. But I was shocked to find it colossally boring.
If you paid for this and you don't see Public Enemies, you should burn your pathetic DVD collection and probably sterilize yourself.
A critic called the film a death march, and he was being lenient.
Could had been made even better by shedding some of the unnecessary comic scenes, the bit with the mother in the college for example and the whole thing would have been better had it been about 30 minutes shorter. As MDK said a few too many transformers involved perhaps, as we didn't get much of a chance to meet them all. There was one Autobot who looked surprisingly like Jazz and transformed into a sports car but an introduction was never made.
That Sports Car was actually Sideswipe, if you remember the old comics/cartoons he was the Red Lambourghini twinned with Sunstreaker, the yellow one.
They actually DO directly call him Sideswipe, too. In the China scenes, one of the NEST Soldiers yells for Sideswipe and then BAM! We cut to Sideswipe "rollerskate" in and do his thing. In fact, the only Autobot they never actually name on screen is Blur(the blue car).
I, uh, paid WAY too much attention to this movie.
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Cryonicleech wrote:Anung, wasn't the Allspark Splinter stolen by the Decepticons? (don't know the name of the dog-thing)
That "dog-thing", as you put it, is a robot panther named Ravage, one of Soundwave's tapes from G1, and one of my favorite G1 robots, to boot.
Jacksonhighlander wrote:So the poor dialogue didnt bother any of you? No one was bothered by poor character developement and the ton of extra robots that were just chunked in? Did anyone but me watch G1? Yea the fight scenes were orgasmic, but the story lacked alot imo. Hey guys, to make energon we need to blow up the sun WHILE WE'RE ON THE PLANET ASIT HAPPENS! Who cares if we cant live through the super nova to collect the stuff, atleast our decipticon ashes can go SCREW YOU to the human and autobot ones. And people got to do a fan vote of which transformer they wanted in the movie. Soundwave got it big time. How much air time did he get? Less than 5 minutes. One of the biggest badasses in the whole transformer series ever created, sits on a satelite, and does nothing except spit out Ravage to go kick ass. He was a god in G1. He looks like a wierdo with that beard and crown thingy going on. What was wrong with that knightly looking head he had before? His voice shouldve been way creepier. And all he does is watch and listen. You think when they railed gun Devestator, Soundwave couldve given him a heads up. AND THE FREAKIN TWINS WERE ROCKING DEVESTATOR! HOW THE HELL DOES THAT HAPPEN!?!?!?! And for everyone that didnt watch transformers before they probably dont even know that those construction cars/equipment whatever you wanna call them can transform into their own personal robot and then pop together to make Devestator. Thank god that the twins somehow disappeared for the last bits of the movie, and if they died why weren't we rewarded with their death? I bet people wouldve liked to have gotten more character developement from atleast the newly introduced autobots. That fallen dude was a freak too, they shouldve replaced him with the Quintisons. And at the end they throw in some stuff from transformers armada. WHY?!?! That show sucked. I feel that this movie didn't pay omage to transformers like the first one. Im not satisfied by only flashy lights and big explosions. This isnt something thats gonna make me watch it over and over again like the first one. Its like other awesome series. Aliens, first one you can watch over and over and not get tired of it. 3rd one makes you wanna cry by how badly the series was ruined. Predator, first one is totally nut busting. Second one, HE GETS KILLED BY AN OVER WEIGHT COP THAT PROBABLY CANT CATCH HIS SUSPECTS ON FOOT IF HE HAD TOO! IN LOFERS! WHY!?!?!?!?! If all we want is flashy lights and big booms what makes this any different than any other robot movie? Transformers was unique b/c of its humanistic characteristics that was made with the bots. And if the whole conflict is about collecting energon by blowing up a sun, how hard is it to make another one of those guns, and going to another solar system? They couldve skipped the whole being killed by prime part. Theres a countless number of stars, ours isnt any special. And im sure that the plans for making those sun killers is lying around somewhere.
Frankly I see a lot of things wrong with this.
1. I don't remember any of the Transformer Cartoons having much of a plot, other than the individual episodes needing a new reason for them to fight one another.
2. You are confusing Soundwave and Jetfire, Jetfire had the beard and the Crown thing cause he is the Frazz of the Transformers in the movies.
3. Devastator was a little preoccupied with eating what he was eating to be able to dodge a Rail Gun.
4. Fallen was fine, he hates humans, that's why he want our Sun they explain that in the movie. Not why he hates us mind you just that he does, sounds like how Transformers works to me.
5. Alien 3 did not ruin the franchise Alien Resurrection did that in many many more ways.
6. Predator 2 was fine
7. You want to see things that ruin franchises read the Alien vs Predator Comics, play the games, and then watch the Moives...
8. Take off your nostalgia glasses, its a good action movie, if you expected more the Rose tint has blinded you to what the Cartoon was, an Action Cartoon made to promote TOYS.
Help me on this one:
I thought the twins were annoying, but a lot of American critics I read reviews from said it they were just offensive. Appearantly there's something rascist about them, but I didn't notice it in the German version.
BrotherStynier wrote:They claim them to be racist be cause they talk like "Gangstas" and cant read Cybertronian, which people think means they can't read at all.
Me I think they were a commentary on the American youth, where both Whites and Blacks speak like that and can be illiterate.
And had buck teeth (one had a gold tooth) and big ears.
Yeah to a US audience it was CRYSTAL CLEAR they were cliched black stereotypes.
BrotherStynier wrote:They claim them to be racist be cause they talk like "Gangstas" and cant read Cybertronian, which people think means they can't read at all.
Me I think they were a commentary on the American youth, where both Whites and Blacks speak like that and can be illiterate.
And had buck teeth (one had a gold tooth) and big ears.
Yeah to a US audience it was CRYSTAL CLEAR they were cliched black stereotypes.
Because obviously only Blacks can have big ears and buck teeth. And only Blacks can have gold teeth. Seriously people need to stop getting over zealous about things.
BrotherStynier wrote:
Because obviously only Blacks can have big ears and buck teeth. And only Blacks can have gold teeth. Seriously people need to stop getting over zealous about things.
That's nothing. You should hear what some people here say about GTA4
Oh arr, and for those lacking the attention span, the Twins don't say they can't read, what they say is 'we don't read ancient Cybertronian too good;.
And being an English speaker, and English being a language evolved from Latin and Germanic, I suppose I'm an illiterate cretin for not being able to read or write either of the above?
I dunno. I'll "can open, worms everywhere" for a minute.
I'm black. And I found it pretty racist and offensive in ways that Jar Jar Binks could not even approach.
That said, I'm not joining the crusade to get the film pulled from theaters or anything (and yes, there is one of those going as we speak). It just makes me sad that, in 2009, racial stereotypes are STILL funny to Americans. (Don't even get me started on the first Transformers, in which Jazz literally break dances and "yo, yo, yo"s a couple of times before being the ONLY EFFING AUTOBOT to die...
Xtapl, I feel your pain, but it's still better than the 80's. I listen to a lot of actors lament about the only roles given were the homosexual joke role, or the trademark death before the starting credits role. I didn't find Jazz any worse than every other black role where you have to say "yo yo yo" and break dance.
The twins were painful, for every Morgan Freeman, Densil Washington, and Will Smith, you get 10 of these bad roles. Still a lot better than the 80's though.
And being an English speaker, and English being a language evolved from Latin and Germanic, I suppose I'm an illiterate cretin for not being able to read or write either of the above?
Yes yes you are. I mean those language have a common alphabet, grammar and vocabulary with English.
Try @#$#%ing Chinese some time then you can whine about how hard foreign languages are.
为什么外国人不喜欢学外语？
Back on topic, the problem I had isn't 'racism' it's that the comic relief characters weren't funny. You can't just have a robot talk like a stereotypical gangbanger and call it comic gold. It's about as funny as a drunken Irish robot or a lazy Mexican robot or a horny leg-humping robot. Any y'know, if the comedy in a film ain't funny, that makes for a bad film.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Back on topic, the problem I had isn't 'racism' it's that the comic relief characters weren't funny. You can't just have a robot talk like a stereotypical gangbanger and call it comic gold. It's about as funny as a drunken Irish robot or a lazy Mexican robot or a horny leg-humping robot. Any y'know, if the comedy in a film ain't funny, that makes for a bad film.
That only really applies to a Comedy, which this wasn't sure they were comic relief characters that weren't that funny but if they alone ruin an action movie for you then perhaps you should learn not to base your opinion of said action movie off of comedy.
Isn't is wonderful that all these people have some place to vent their spleen over a movie? I've seen it three times and apparently I know enough to check my higher brain functions at the door and allow myself to be entertained. Who would you worthies rather have directed it, Ingmar Bergman? Anyway, the original Transformers cartoon sucked. I'm amazed that it occurred to anybody to make movies based on it, not to mention them coming out so good.
saw the movie earlier. the special effects were cool, the story was middle of the road to me, i didn't find it to be crap, but it wasn't something i'm going to have stick in my mind.
the twins....meh, i found the way they spoke irritating, but then i find that gansta rap speech style annoying in general.
kinda wish they'd introduced the autobot and decepticon characters a bit more, i mean, it wasn't like it was a short movie.
on a positive note, it did inspire me to wiki transformers and enjoy reading over stuff and seeing old toys i had forgotten about.
Man, I'd hate to see what stories are bottom of the barrel for you if Revenge of the Fallen was middle of the road. Revenge of the Fallen was one of the worst plot/stories I have ever seen in 30 years of moviegoing.
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warpcrafter wrote:I've seen it three times and apparently I know enough to check my higher brain functions at the door and allow myself to be entertained. Who would you worthies rather have directed it, Ingmar Bergman?
1) Maybe it is easier for some people to turn their brains off. They don't have as far to go.
2) There are gradations of films between Uwe Boll and Ingmar Bergman.
3) Like Die Hard.
4) Or Aliens.
5) Or Predator.
6) Or The Dark Knight.
7) Or The Bourne Identity.
8) Or any other dozens of decently made films which established a conflict, a plot, characters, and motivations before jumping into non-sensical action scenes.
The old "turn your brain off" excuse for ****ty cinema. Keep doing that. You do it long enough, you won't have to have ANY standards to be entertained. But based on seeing this turd three times, you might already be there.
In case anyone is wondering, the above poster is of course internationally recognised as holding the minimal acceptable level of taste in cinema, hence why he is coming across as an arrogant bore who simply assumes all should agree with him, or they aren't worth bothering with.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:In case anyone is wondering, the above poster is of course internationally recognised as holding the minimal acceptable level of taste in cinema, hence why he is coming across as an arrogant bore who simply assumes all should agree with him, or they aren't worth bothering with.
I can't help being a bore. If I am arrogant for disliking a lowest common denominator turd because it is both plotless and brainless, that is a choice I'll happily make and an insult I'll happily bear.
It just tells you something about a movie when the most common defense is to "turn your brain off".
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:In case anyone is wondering, the above poster is of course internationally recognised as holding the minimal acceptable level of taste in cinema, hence why he is coming across as an arrogant bore who simply assumes all should agree with him, or they aren't worth bothering with.
I can't help being a bore. If I am arrogant for disliking a lowest common denominator turd because it is both plotless and brainless, that is a choice I'll happily make and an insult I'll happily bear.
It just tells you something about a movie when the most common defense is to "turn your brain off".
If we were discussing a remake of Citizen Kane, or perhaps the plot to a psychological thriller, I might agree with you. But we're not. We're discussing Transformers : Revenge Of The Fallen. A film about 40' tall robots what can turn into stuff having a war.
Hence why I suggested you were a snob and a bore.
Lowering your expectations is not about just accepting any crap. This film could have been truly disastrous. But it's not. It delivers everything you'd expect, and in spades. So I still fail to see why people knock the dodgy script, skewed plot (Which I followed without a problem, seeing as it's simple) and wooden acting. It isn't, and never was, meant to be Oscar worthy, or a contender for a Palm D'or. Films such as this should really concern themselves with dodging a Razzie and not much more.
Speed Racer was 20X the film this turkey was. I expected that comment, based on my avatar. I'll happily defend SR...it did everything right that TF2 did wrong. It just didn't make any money. It had well-written characters, a bit of drama, and a fantastic score. It also had creative effects and was brilliantly shot and edited.
I recognize we were discussing TF2, not No Country for Old Men or There Will Be Blood. I'm surprised you could follow the plot...there wasn't one. There was always something that needed to be done for the next scene, but that is about it. I'm just surprised it's getting such a pass. The second half of the film was completely boring. Unfunny, dull action, multiple deus ex machinas.
They've made good movies about robots before...Terminator 1 and 2, The Matrix, Iron Giant.
I agree about your Razzie comment, except they didn't dodge it. They seem to have aimed directly for it.
dienekes96 wrote:Speed Racer was 20X the film this turkey was. I expected that comment, based on my avatar. I'll happily defend SR...it did everything right that TF2 did wrong. It just didn't make any money. It had well-written characters, a bit of drama, and a fantastic score. It also had creative effects and was brilliantly shot and edited.
I recognize we were discussing TF2, not No Country for Old Men or There Will Be Blood. .
I disagree with the Speed Racer remarks (not in comparison to TF2, haven't seen it). I thought Speed Racer was rather unnecassarily flashy and shallow. However, you make up for it by name dropping There Will Be Blood.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: It isn't, and never was, meant to be Oscar worthy, or a contender for a Palm D'or. Films such as this should really concern themselves with dodging a Razzie and not much more.
You lie.
Revenge of the Fallen is a strong contender for both the Most Explosions Oscar and the Best Explosions Oscar.
dienekes96 wrote:Speed Racer was 20X the film this turkey was. I expected that comment, based on my avatar. I'll happily defend SR...it did everything right that TF2 did wrong. It just didn't make any money. It had well-written characters, a bit of drama, and a fantastic score. It also had creative effects and was brilliantly shot and edited.
I recognize we were discussing TF2, not No Country for Old Men or There Will Be Blood. I'm surprised you could follow the plot...there wasn't one. There was always something that needed to be done for the next scene, but that is about it. I'm just surprised it's getting such a pass. The second half of the film was completely boring. Unfunny, dull action, multiple deus ex machinas.
They've made good movies about robots before...Terminator 1 and 2, The Matrix, Iron Giant.
I agree about your Razzie comment, except they didn't dodge it. They seem to have aimed directly for it.
Now you're not the first person to compare it to Terminator films, and you certainly won't be the last. But lets look at the films mentioned.
Terminator 1, Terminator 2. Both were films aimed at a more mature audience. The first could be described as a film about technological paranoia, and that if we wish to avert a certain future, we have to act in the present. Terminator 2 was a straight up, shameless blockbuster aimed at a largely adult audience.
The Matrix was a decent crack at a philosophical movie. Shame about the sequels. Again, due to the plot content, this was aimed squarely at a more mature audience, and definitely at the emerging internet generation.
Iron Giant. To be fair, not seen it so won't comment. Though I wonder if it's the same as the book I read as a kid.
But Transformers was always meant to be brain bubblegum. Something with spectacular special effects to seperate Joe Public from his wallet for a couple of hours, and like it's origins, shift a buttload of Toys.
I thought the twins weren't nearly as annoying as Jar Jar, but that might come from the fact that I'm still surprised by Jar Jar's existence in the first place.
Comic relief characters, offensive or not, in a Micheal Bay movie just don't surprise me at all. At least not more than in any aother PG-13 summer blockbuster.
There are G movies with better plots. That is my point. It only takes a little effort to make TF2 more palatable for adults. The Dark Knight shares a rating with TF2, and it's origins are no less pulpy and silly.
But they spent a lot of time on the script, ensuring they had a plot that both enabled the chaos onscreen and supported a cogent story. I am all for robots made out of pixels hitting each other over and over (especially with the God of War finishing moves that Bay loves), but would it hurt to make a character or two out of them. A little depth, just a little, goes a LONG way.
To be fair, we all know Bay is incapable of that. Too bad.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:But Transformers was always meant to be brain bubblegum. Something with spectacular special effects to seperate Joe Public from his wallet for a couple of hours, and like it's origins, shift a buttload of Toys.
Different markets have different demands.
Yes, and if anyone was to say Transformers 2 was poor because the theme was paper thin and cliche, I'd agree with you. If anyone said Transformers 2 was bad because the the plot was inane, I'd agree with you. Blockbusters use simple themes and well established plots, and then rise above that with spectacle. Transformers certainly had spectacle, the last half hour to hour was full of sweeping shots, transforming robots, fighting robots, slow motion running, explosions and slow motion running away from explosions.
But none of it meant anything. There were people yelling and screaming and robots shooting and getting shot, but it was all just a mess.
In the middle of the big action seen gormless everygeek Sam Whitwicky has had his parents turn up, and they all scream loving things at each other. Sam says they have to let him do this by himself. You can tell is poignant because the music is swelling and summer blockbusters always have poignant bits about children becoming adults. Except this movie is a horrendous mess and nothing before has even remotely set up Whitwicky for this important step in becoming a man. After everyone gives their last dramatic looks into the camera the film remembers there's robots fighting for future of the galaxy and gets back to showing that.
A bit later the Fallen remembers he can use telekinesis (or something) to lift tanks in the air and drop them. I wonder why he didn't use this earlier when his Decepticons were getting trashed, but given how utterly confusing the fighting scene was its possible that the Fallen has as little clue as to what was going on as we did.
Jetfire says he was sorry he was ever a Decepticon and gives his glowing blue thing to Prime, then more bits stick on to Prime and he becomes bad ass until it's no longer plot appropriate for him to be badass. Nothing was ever mentioned before or after about the strange one shot powers of the glowing blue things of Seekers, but we're well and truly into the realms of making stuff up as we go along, so why not?
For much of the first two thirds of the movie I wasn't hating Transformers 2 (the stereotype robots were something else and the humour was embaressingly puerile but there were good bits). Then the film kicked into the last act and started to demonstrate how the important things a film should be setting up in the first two thirds had been missed in among the farting robots and marjuana hilarity. It didn't suck because it was a 'leave your brain at the door' blockbuster. It sucked because it was a bad 'leave your brain at the door' blockbuster.
only MORONS went to transformers 2 and left dissapointed.
I, as well as my friends went to the film expecting 2 hours of mindless robot action and flashes of Megan fox in provocative poses. And guess what, it delivered!
Although I will make one query, is it just me or did megaton seem a lot weaker to you in TF2?
BrotherStynier wrote:They claim them to be racist be cause they talk like "Gangstas" and cant read Cybertronian, which people think means they can't read at all.
Me I think they were a commentary on the American youth, where both Whites and Blacks speak like that and can be illiterate.
And had buck teeth (one had a gold tooth) and big ears.
Yeah to a US audience it was CRYSTAL CLEAR they were cliched black stereotypes.
i saw the movie in a theatre that had mostly non white people watching the flim. The two robots mentioned above always drew a lot of chuckles from the audience and they seemed to be the most popular by far. I found them to be quite comical often enough.
dienekes96 wrote:Man, I'd hate to see what stories are bottom of the barrel for you if Revenge of the Fallen was middle of the road. Revenge of the Fallen was one of the worst plot/stories I have ever seen in 30 years of moviegoing.
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warpcrafter wrote:I've seen it three times and apparently I know enough to check my higher brain functions at the door and allow myself to be entertained. Who would you worthies rather have directed it, Ingmar Bergman?
1) Maybe it is easier for some people to turn their brains off. They don't have as far to go.
2) There are gradations of films between Uwe Boll and Ingmar Bergman.
3) Like Die Hard.
4) Or Aliens.
5) Or Predator.
6) Or The Dark Knight.
7) Or The Bourne Identity.
8) Or any other dozens of decently made films which established a conflict, a plot, characters, and motivations before jumping into non-sensical action scenes.
The old "turn your brain off" excuse for ****ty cinema. Keep doing that. You do it long enough, you won't have to have ANY standards to be entertained. But based on seeing this turd three times, you might already be there.
Just for reference, I do indeed have standards. I believe Adam Sandler should be tried for crimes against Humanity, the only films with Jack Black that I've seen are King Kong and Enemy of the State and I have not seen any of the Saw movies. My favorite horror movie series is Candyman and any referrence to an Alien reboot threaten to drive me into an apoplectic rage. And by the way, the Bourne movies are just one chase scene/fight scene after another. Lather, rinse and repeat for the sequels. Same with Die Hard.
I am a big fan of the fourth alien movie and think it is the second best following right behind the second film. It has a lot of dark humor and the best CGI in the series.
I went to see the film with my 5 year old stepson yesterday. Quite enjoyed it, however:
1. Does anyone else feel that the robots are SO detailed and SO intricate that when two or more of them are on screen fighting it just looks like big, messy eye-torture? It's very hard to define wehre one robot starts and anotehr finishes, so I pretty much just gave up until one robot was hurled away- Ah yes, ok the blue one won that fight, etc.
2. Is there any need for shots of Megan Fox (?) bent over at every opportunity? Ok, she's fit (yawn) I get the idea. Next.
3. Why is the fallen worried about Prime yet decides to arrive when Prime is repaired? Don't get it, or maybe missed something.
4. The whole "fallen" idea is stupid. Should have been Unicron
5. Megatron was so much more badass in the cartoons in every respect.
6. Comic relief characters make me want to BBQ somebody.
7. The whole drug-cookie sequence is irrelevant.
8. The frat-party sequence, I don't believe for a second that fraternaties like that exist anywhere except film-land. If they do exist, then somone needs to be killed and eaten.
9. Is it just me, or where the robots far more powerful in the 1st film? Tanks and machine guns in the final sequences seemed to making a real mess of the 'bots.
In fact I've just decided that the film sucked and Michael Bay is exactly as depicted on South Park- "That's not a plot, that's special effects." "I don't know the difference." "I know you don't." (paraphrased)
That and in the first film not only were they fighting something unknown at the time, but also doing so in an area with tres mucho potential for collateral damage, meaning it's hard to really get the toys out.
Remember the Autobots and 'Oomies have been hunting Decepticons for a couple of years at the start of the film, so I'd expect them to be better at it than the first five minutes.
Okay here goes, I'm about to become subject to a whole lot of net rage with the following statement....
I loved this film.
I didn't go into this film expecting it to have a deep and thought provoking plot, I went to see it for the same reason I watched the cartoons as a kid. Big robots fighting is cool and the fact they can transform into vehicles is even cooler. If you expected it to be anything else than an action packed blockbuster then what were you thinking?!?! These are the types of films you are meant to go to and turn your brain off and enjoy the spectacle. When I want deep high quality plot development I'll watch something like The Shawshank Redemption. I'm a transformers fan and as much as I love G1 it was hardly immune from similar flaws that some have accused the films of. For a start, in the episode where Wheeljack invents the Dinobots, he purposely builds them with a low intellect and when activated they go mental and have to be shut down until Wheeljack makes a brain boosting thing to make them smarter. Now why the hell would you deliberately build a honking big robot capable of vast destruction and then give it the intellect of a roast potatoe? I'm not knocking G1, I love it, it's just I want to point out that nostalgia can blind us sometimes.
Oh and a couple of things I noticed in previous posts:
1) The blue sports car isn't Blur, he's called Jolt (don't remember him from cartoons) and he can be seen at the end of the film jumpstarting Prime from Jetfire with his electric whips.
2) Several Decepticons that appear to have made a miraculous recovery since the first film aren't technically the same characters. For example: the Blackout 'clone' is not actually blackout, but another Decepticon called Grindor. Apparently the only difference between them is Grindor has a slightly different colour scheme. Bay just loved some of the vehicle and Decepticon models and wanted to use them again. Not without precedent I suppose, in G1 it was only their colours that made Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker different to each other.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ah the wonders of the internet, where the arrogant and ignorant can force their opinions on the rest of humanity, and call those who disagree cretins.
The film, again, is aimed at a teenaged audience. That given, it delivers all you'd expect with aplomb. Review over.
You keep saying this, and it keeps being wrong. No-one has said they wanted the movie
As a summer blockbuster full of special effects and fighting robots, no-one is expecting high art. But outside of a very particular type of arthouse movie, it is expected that a film should be coherent. The various plot threads and character moments came and went without and many failed to resolve.
So stop pretending people are expecting high art out of the movie. A lot of people liked the first movie, which was hardly high art, but didn't like this one. Because the first one was a functional blockbuster script, this wasn't.
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Keyasa wrote:9. Is it just me, or where the robots far more powerful in the 1st film? Tanks and machine guns in the final sequences seemed to making a real mess of the 'bots.
I really liked that the Transformers were deadly when using the surprise of their transforming abilities to surprise military units, but were vulnerable in open battle. It gave a reason to them being 'robots in disguise'. I never really liked that part of the cartoon and the comic, where the Transformers were so far beyond Earth tech that there was never any point to using their vehicles forms to blend in.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ah the wonders of the internet, where the arrogant and ignorant can force their opinions on the rest of humanity, and call those who disagree cretins.
This is you on the left are on the left MDG.
Maybe some day you'll see the irony of calling people who choose not to accept things that are completely dumbed down cretins. Telling people they are being stupid for being smart is, well I think you can figure out the problem there (but not really but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).
Hardly. I have subjected the film to valid criticism. I mentioned bits which were a bit tedious, and overall stated the cool outweighed the lame.
Whereas those determined to rubbish it, made no mention of the cool bits, and instead focussed entirely upon the negative, all through the rose tinted lense of childhood.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ah the wonders of the internet, where the arrogant and ignorant can force their opinions on the rest of humanity, and call those who disagree cretins.
This is you on the left are on the left MDG.
Oh, SNAP!
Ahtman wrote:Maybe some day you'll see the irony of calling people who choose not to accept things that are completely dumbed down cretins. Telling people they are being stupid for being smart is, well I think you can figure out the problem there (but not really but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).
This film is by far one of the most entertaing one I have ever seen. In my opinion its the film that have been the best so far this year. Don`t agree with me well thats your rigth a human beeing unless you are a decpticon that is
Saw it with Genghis Connie, Zantar master of the pit, and She Who Must Be Obeyed. Now understand I was under the mix of potent rum and blood loss from losing a fight with a chainsaw, but my thoughts mixed in with these points:
I went to see the film with my 5 year old stepson yesterday. Quite enjoyed it, however:
1. Does anyone else feel that the robots are SO detailed and SO intricate that when two or more of them are on screen fighting it just looks like big, messy eye-torture? It's very hard to define where one robot starts and another finishes, so I pretty much just gave up until one robot was hurled away- Ah yes, ok the blue one won that fight, etc.
***Yes. I was able to key in on the first Optimus super slam (epic) and Bumblebee’s last engagement (they turned a yellow VW into quite the killing machine didn’t they) but the rest was pretty blurry. I find the regular TV screen captures the action better actually.
2. Is there any need for shots of Megan Fox (?) bent over at every opportunity? Ok, she's fit (yawn) I get the idea. Next.
****Yes indeed. In Fact the Boy and I thought more filming of her talents was needed
3. Why is the fallen worried about Prime yet decides to arrive when Prime is repaired? Don't get it, or maybe missed something.
***I don’t get that plot hole as well. Fallen takes out a whole pack of primes but is worried about one now?
4. The whole "fallen" idea is stupid. Should have been Unicron ***You cannot defeat my…Destiny!!!
5. Megatron was so much more badass in the cartoons in every respect.
***He was pretty tough I both. I like that this film puts Optimus and him back on equal footing. Prime was always a real stomper in the toons.
6. Comic relief characters make me want to BBQ somebody.
***They were annoying as well, except when they met up with devastator. This film seemed much moiré angry then the original with less humor and the main characters much more angry.
7. The whole drug-cookie sequence is irrelevant.
***Several scenes. The rave/party, the ship going down, the annoying government suit (anyone notice the Obama slam?)
8. The frat-party sequence, I don't believe for a second that fraternities like that exist anywhere except film-land. If they do exist, then someone needs to be killed and eaten.
***True that.
9. Is it just me, or where the robots far more powerful in the 1st film? Tanks and machine guns in the final sequences seemed to making a real mess of the 'bots.
In fact I've just decided that the film sucked and Michael Bay is exactly as depicted on South Park- "That's not a plot, that's special effects." "I don't know the difference." "I know you don't." (paraphrased)
***Yes it was pretty disjointed. It could have been made better, and needed more humor. We also needed to see Ironhide kicking some major butt. On the other hand its summer popcorn faire, and succeeded in that regard. I liked sound wave epically. Jetfire, was like talking to a bud at the range.
“Soundwave superior, Devstator inferior.”
Genghis Connie gave it two thumbs up (and then decided to conquer Persia).
OT but Zantar was recognized by his first fan
High school chick comes up to us at Sonic, and sees the school uniforms we have in the car. “Hey are you the Jr. High-High school kid who wrote the song at the school concert?”
“YES HE WAS!” yours truly volunteers
“You are so COOL”
Zantar, shocked, almost stops eating his burger.
Yea baby!
Frazzled wrote:***I don’t get that plot hole as well. Fallen takes out a whole pack of primes but is worried about one now?
There was a prophecy (there are a lot of prophecies in action movies these days, aren't there?) that the fallen would be killed by a Prime, or the ancestor of a Prime (how do have ancestors if you don't have robot babies?). As all the other Primes were dead (killing themselves to make a really useless tomb) so I guess it had to be Optimus.
I don't really know if the Fallen decided to arrive just when Optimus was resurrected, or if he was already on his way and happened to turn up when Optimus got better. It was all a bit of a blur by that stage.
the annoying government suit (anyone notice the Obama slam?)
Frazzled wrote:***I don’t get that plot hole as well. Fallen takes out a whole pack of primes but is worried about one now?
There was a prophecy (there are a lot of prophecies in action movies these days, aren't there?) that the fallen would be killed by a Prime, or the ancestor of a Prime (how do have ancestors if you don't have robot babies?). As all the other Primes were dead (killing themselves to make a really useless tomb) so I guess it had to be Optimus.
If I remember rightly, in the flashback cutscene you see all the Primes ganging up on the Fallen and kicking the snot out of him (hence he looks a bit knackered at the beginning of the film when Megatron is talking to him and he's in the middle of all those cables). However the Primes couldn't completely defeat him (despite loving the film I admit to having no idea why since they seemed to be doing a good job in the flashback), which is why they decided to steal the matrix and sacrifice themselves to hide it. Therefore the Fallen is scared of Primes as they are the only transformers that defeated him (in a way).
Also has no one remembered that Megatron is also a Prime? Just as the Fallen is a Prime (remember they were his brothers) so is Megatron. At the end of the first film Optimus leans over Megatron's corpse and says something along the lines of "forgive me brother" (I'm sure someone will post the exact line after reading this). The film back history is that Megatron was the first of the Decepticons who was corrupted by the Fallen.
Besides, I reckon the fallen isn't really dead since he was voiced by Tony Todd. I reckon Megatron will just go back to his bathroom and say Fallen, Fallen, Fallen and he'll appear (albeit with a hook instead of his right hand ).
Oh and I forgot to mention, Mr Bay has been on record to say that he always intended one making a trilogy at least and he definately wants to bring in Unicron if he can make it work in the film. Although Mr Bay also once said that Megatron was not in the second film and we saw what happened there.
And incase anyone was wondering, yes I am a Transformers fanboy.
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sebster wrote:(how do have ancestors if you don't have robot babies?).
I work in the engineering industry where you can get machine components referred to as male or female nipples. No lie.
you know, according to the transformers comics in such, from what i looked up on wikipedia after watching the movie, the fallen was suppose to be one of the original 13 or so transformers, but went all crazy evil and became the herald or somesuch of unicron........which would have been much cooler to see in the movie.
also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me
It had plot holes you could pilot Unicron through. It had annoying cliche characters (the Twins are Jar Jar-esque). It had Megan Fox trying (and failing) to act. It had far too many characters that got no development like Jolt and Sideswipe. Some of the old ones got even less, like Ratchet, who essentially had a cameo in this film. Devastator went out like a bitch and got to do nothing other than service an utterly unnecessary testicle joke. Michael Bay has the biggest hardon for the US military and this movie is basically porn for him. And you probably could have cut 1/2 an hour and it still would have worked.
But it had Optimus Prime tearing gak up, including that epic fight in the forest where he just runs through three Decepticons by himself. My friend started calling him Kratos Prime after that. And then super-Prime at the end when he did an Armada-style merge with Jetfire and shredded the Fallen after beating Megatron within an inch of his life. The film was worth it for Prime alone.
greenskin lynn wrote:also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me
It took you that long? I thought the scene on Cybertron had "rule of two" written all over it.
nah, i just managed to ignore the fact until that point
although, now that i think about it, i sorta want a transformers lightsaber fight, i mean, it can't be any harder to follow then some of the big melee's in the movie
greenskin lynn wrote:also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me
It took you that long? I thought the scene on Cybertron had "rule of two" written all over it.
Rule of Two?
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H.B.M.C. wrote:It had plot holes you could pilot Unicron through. It had annoying cliche characters (the Twins are Jar Jar-esque). It had Megan Fox trying (and failing) to act. It had far too many characters that got no development like Jolt and Sideswipe. Some of the old ones got even less, like Ratchet, who essentially had a cameo in this film. Devastator went out like a bitch and got to do nothing other than service an utterly unnecessary testicle joke. Michael Bay has the biggest hardon for the US military and this movie is basically porn for him. And you probably could have cut 1/2 an hour and it still would have worked.
But it had Optimus Prime tearing gak up, including that epic fight in the forest where he just runs through three Decepticons by himself. My friend started calling him Kratos Prime after that. And then super-Prime at the end when he did an Armada-style merge with Jetfire and shredded the Fallen after beating Megatron within an inch of his life. The film was worth it for Prime alone.
Wikipedia had a cool plot thread for ages (think it's still there actually) even though it's wrong.
They had stated that the Fallen was a mega powerful transformer, but was trapped in an alternate dimension. He managed to communicate with the Transformers through an interdimensional window and via this method corrupted Megatron into becoming the first Decepticon. The film was then meant to be about Megatron on a mission to free the Fallen from this prison (anyone thinking of Superman at this point? Ya know with the three baddies trapped in the rotating sqaure thing). The Fallen would then be released at end of the movie, massive battle, beaten, but not destroyed and then escapes into space to go wake up Unicron.
A cool idea that wiki stated was that as the interdimensional window was not a clear window and distorted the image of the Fallen's face. This distorted image is what the Decepticons based their insignia on (which I think is a really cool idea).
Now I know I said I loved the film and I stand by that, flaws and all. However, I do think that Wikipedia plot would have made a better film.
George Spiggott wrote:Why has no Power Metal band ever covered that?
One did, for the Animated Movie.
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And my biggest complaint.....MEGATRON TAKES ORDERS FROM NO ONE.
Seriously, the movie would have been better with Megatron taking the place of "the Fallen" and starscream replacing megatron in the final act of the movie. The fallen is a lousy villain.
Bad Points:
The comic relief robots sucked ass and were very racially insulting.
The 'America! feth YEAH' military was over the top and interfered and detracted from the robots having their fights (what I paid to see, not a circlejerk about how fething powerful the US military is).
The parents with the humping dogs were boring and again stole airtime from where we could have had more transformers and character development for them, dammit not just character development but character introduction. The college 'stoner' scene was so dull my eyes bled.
The college bit was also wasted time, the weird terminatrix decepticon girly with the tongue...WTF?!?
Way too many 'Jonny 5' skinny bugeyed robots with comic voices.
Megatron has a boss?!? Way to detract from the main protagonist, Bay detracts from the villain by providing an even bigger villain and then giving it no depth or substance, it just shows up, seems abit meaner and then prime feths it up.
I was cheering loudly in the car (we saw at drive in) when the gakky comic robot was eaten by devastator but then it just 'survives' and messes up the big D..boo, should have killed the little bastard.
The suit and the swipe at Obama, wasn't missed by me and very unnecessary.
Jetfire. He was my favourite, of all the transformers I owned as a boy, he was the ultimate, the most badass looking robot and whilst I didn't mind too much of his appearance in the movie, him hobbling on a walking stick and producing 'farts' for, yet again, comic relief, was just annoying.
Good Points:
Soundwave. I wasn't sure how they could do him justice and the floating round in space like a spider in a web did indeed serve him well.
Ravage. Loved that, he was well done.
Megan Fox. Looks fething lovely, no complaints there other than ensure she says feth all and dont let her attempt acting again.
Megatron beating up on Starscream, because it's as traditional as Christmas trees.
Conclusion: A gak film, I really didn't like it at all and whilst I can already hear the defense of 'it's for the kids etc' I would suggest alot of why these films exist is down to the kids who originally owned transformers being paying movie going adults and I think these films have failed them to a great extent. The lowest common denominator 'comic relief' throughout was certainly the biggest turd in the trifle for me.
While the twins were irritating. How come everyone screaming racist stereotype has absolutely no problem with the sadistic robot doctor having a German accent?
Anung Un Rama wrote:Am I the only one who laughed about the testicle joke?
Nope me too. Me and half the cinema burst out laughing. You can't go wrong with a genital joke. I think the comic relief was needed, otherwise it would have been a very dark film until the very end when the Autobots turn the tide. And nothing is as irritating as Jar-Jar
I thought all the comic moments in the film were quite funny actually. I do see where people are coming from with the racist implications in the twins performance, however I don't feel it was meant to be deliberately offensive. I feel any irritating-ness they had was balanced out by the Devestator battle. I thought it was fairly positive that despite the fact they were the smallest of the Autobots, they had the balls and the bravery to take on a massive 45 foot (when hunched over!) death machine. Hell, I was cheering in my head after Mudflap was 'eaten' then fought his way out of Devestator's face! That was class and redeemed them in my eyes.
I do appreciate the fact I am not an african-american so I can not truely understand their point of view, but Tyreese Gibson is a lead character and he's a bad ass, no comic relief there, so it was not as if the film was saying "this is how all black people are". Besides, a lot of the British in American films are portrayed as well spoken, well educated villans. Remember the Death Star in Star Wars V? Everyone on board, British. And don't get me started on The Patriot! If we're not villians we're a cute romantic cluts..... to be honest I'd rather be a villan.
One thing I feel suprised no one has mentioned is the swearing. That is the one thing I found distastefull about the film. Despite it's 12A rating in the UK I found that there was not the need for as much bad language as there was. Loads of kids will be seeing this film, despite the rating, and I really don't think all of it was necessary.
Also attached the paragraph about the fallen here to save time. Doesn't mention the Unicron part, I guess I got that elsewhere.
Tony Todd voices The Fallen, one of the Original Thirteen Transformers and Megatron's master. He is the one who corrupted Megatron into forming the Decepticons. He had been trapped in another dimension and was able to communicate with the Decepticons via an interdimensional window. The image of his face, seen through this window, served as inspiration for the Decepticon insignia.[58] He is capable of opening Space Bridges at will.[59] Lorenzo di Bonaventura compared The Fallen to Judas Iscariot.[60] Although this form is not in the film, his toy versions transform into a Cybertronian aircraft.[61] The writers selected The Fallen after looking through various cartoons and comics for new characters, because he was the most "elemental" villain.[43] At some point, Leonard Nimoy[62][63] and Frank Welker[57] were considered for voicing the Fallen.
@ Frazzled - Aye agreed also, its the reason I won't be taking my five year to go see it, when I watch it again with my wife next week. (She was unable to go with me the first time I watched it.)
edit - wannabe writer posted while I was, and made my response look odd.
MadEdric wrote:While the twins were irritating. How come everyone screaming racist stereotype has absolutely no problem with the sadistic robot doctor having a German accent?
That's a very good point. I mean, I'm German and I probably would've been very amused by that fact if I would've seen the English version. At one point, it's not really surprising anymore. A lot of doctors in popculture are German, sadistic or not. The medic in Team Fortress, the Doctor in Conker's Bad Fur Day. I get a good laugh everybody I hear someone trying to imitate a German accent. It's hillarious.
MadEdric wrote:While the twins were irritating. How come everyone screaming racist stereotype has absolutely no problem with the sadistic robot doctor having a German accent?
That's a very good point. I mean, I'm German and I probably would've been very amused by that fact if I would've seen the English version. At one point, it's not really surprising anymore. A lot of doctors in popculture are German, sadistic or not. The medic in Team Fortress, the Doctor in Conker's Bad Fur Day. I get a good laugh everybody I hear someone trying to imitate a German accent. It's hillarious.
Maybe the Twins work like that too....
The twins seemed more like console gamer teens to me. Wannabe smacktalking ninjas!
I just saw it. so might i say. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME.
couple of minor plot hole but all in all it was a great ride.
and jetfire being an old man with a cane was a great reenvisioniing of the caracter.
I said something similar in an earlier post, but I'll say it again. As much as I really loved the film, I can't help but think that the plot from the comics would have made a better film.
MadEdric wrote:While the twins were irritating. How come everyone screaming racist stereotype has absolutely no problem with the sadistic robot doctor having a German accent?
That's a very good point. I mean, I'm German and I probably would've been very amused by that fact if I would've seen the English version. At one point, it's not really surprising anymore. A lot of doctors in popculture are German, sadistic or not. The medic in Team Fortress, the Doctor in Conker's Bad Fur Day. I get a good laugh everybody I hear someone trying to imitate a German accent. It's hillarious.
I've wondered that as well. It is a strange phenomena. One possibility is that for some reason the accent is tied to the idea of higher learning based on all the German Academics and scientists that came to the US in the 40's. Or it could be all the "evil" German scientists from older WWII flicks have taken up residency in the collectives mind space. Maybe a mixture of both.
The day will come when "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" will be studied in film classes and shown at cult film festivals. It will be seen, in retrospect, as marking the end of an era. Of course there will be many more CGI-based action epics, but never again one this bloated, excessive, incomprehensible, long (149 minutes) or expensive (more than $200 million). Like the dinosaurs, the species has grown too big to survive, and will be wiped out in a cataclysmic event, replaced by more compact, durable forms.
Yes he hated it with a passion. His points were valid but he doesn't get the whole summer movie concept. He hated Star Trek, terminator, and Wolverine IIRC. But he's all over the buzzkill joke Sister's Keeper.
Personally I might download it when it hits the shelves, I found the first movie meh, mostly because the stupid human characters were stealing the screen time of the stupid giant robots. And from what I've heard this movie is victim of the sequel curse.
Frazzled wrote:Yes he hated it with a passion. His points were valid but he doesn't get the whole summer movie concept. He hated Star Trek, terminator, and Wolverine IIRC. But he's all over the buzzkill joke Sister's Keeper.
I'm guessing you haven't noticed how much he goes on about Raiders of the Lost Ark or Star Wars. He also didn't hate Star Trek - he lamented the lack of sci-fi and some of the silliness of the film but said the space opera and characters were fun, and there was a lot of the pretty.
Ebert is a critic of script more than anything, and worries more about structure and pacing than most others. Because action and genre films rely on structure more than most, he reviews these films more closely. Because (for some very strange, frustrating reason) action and genre films fail to deliver decent structure more than most, Ebert is rightly critical. But when they do it right, like with the Dark Knight, Ebert is more glowing than most.
Allright I finally saw the movie. It takes a lot for me NOT to like a movie, and I must say I really didn't like this movie. The only things worth watching were the robot fights and the cute girl. I have to say that I got bored with both. I was ready to leave the movie by the time they left Petra.
This movie had the worst editing I have ever seen. The scenes pop around from one to another and your like, wait a minute, how did they get from here to there?
Since when is there a huge field with an airlpane graveyard in the desert behind the national air and space museum in D.C.?
The two stereotypical ethnic black robots were offensive.
Whats up with the "fuzzy math" in the underwater megatron resurrection scene.
The robotic tongue wagging, I mean it's a robotic metallic tongue up until the tip, then it turns into flesh?.....sigh.
Too many things that I couldn't ignore that just made this a bad movie.
Yesterday I went to see the movie and I was totally disappointed. It's not the plot, I knew there was not one, it´s the small "Hollywood´s way" things that contribute to blow up my suspension of disbelief almost every time and spoil the movies for me.
It´s an US movie for mainly a US audience, but when are they going to understand that US =/= rest of the world?. If the US government were to ask the Autobots to leave Earth that doesn´t mean that the rest of the world would follow suit. It`s really so hard to change the script and put humanity instead of the US government or something like that?.
Mr Bay, Jordania does not share a frontier with Egypt, there is a little country called Israel in between. Luxor is about 1000km from El Cairo and the pyramids 140 km from the sea. BTW The Smithsonian backyard doesn´t connect with Arizona last time I was there. And hardly a ship in the Red Sea (as per the monitor images) is going to shoot a big robot hundreds of kilometers away with direct fire. Get your geography right, damnit!.
Apparently the US Navy doesn´t know math, 5 robots go down, one dies, one is resurrected doesn´t mean that 6 robots go up. Neither US Navy Captains know their stuff 1 fanthom = 6.08 feet. If the depth of the place where Megatron lies, is around 5km why the Captain says the magic 9000 fathom number? (Deepest place in Earth, Mariana Trench around 11km deep).
And my favorite, there is an unknown type of Transformer in the movie, at the end of the movie a flight of F-16 go in to bomb the baddies and 2 A-10 fly away. Who were these guys, traitor Decepticons, undercover Autobots ?.
But at least I got to see Soundwave playing evil spymaster.
. Though the parents were a lot less annoying than that black kid and the other girl in the first movie. They were just utterly useless. Also, though the movie was indeed a tad too long, it could've used more slowmotion, some of the fights where really hard to follow.
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