I am sure this has probably been discussed already but I was talking with a red-shirt at a Chicago area game store and asked him about that BOLS post from the other day. He said he had heard nothing about it but he did say that he was told from his sources that a new 40K race would be announced at the Chicago Games day. He said that while he didn't know what exactly it was going to be, all signs pointed to something Imperial. I asked if that meant Ad-Mech and he said that he couldn't imagine what else it would be (and neither can I if it is Imperial).
On a side note, he also said that while he's heard nothing definitive about Space Hulk yet, he expects it to be the big GW Christmas release.
Hopefully I haven't retread too much, just wanted to pass on what I heard. Obviously, it could be all , but you never know.
I wouldn't be surprised if they released a Allies Type codex with Ad Mech + The Priests (ecclarchy? spelled that VERY wrong...) or something along the lines of that.
Personally I would be ecstatic if they actually did that. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to play Ad Mech.
Whatever it is it's guaranteed to cause nerd rage.
Pick one and rile yourself up:
-It's stereotyping x group, someone should sue GW - It's gonna be SM, hurr.
- X army needs a codex first
- Redshirt don't know nuttin.
- Spam Pan Fo references.
The Red-Shirt mentioned DE as in the works. He was talking about what he knew for certain was coming up and he said Space Wolves followed by DE. I didn't mention it though because he echoed something I've read here a billion times, about some guy (Phil Kelly?) writing it right now. Also, I think there's a big difference though between someone saying new race which implies something either completely new or something we haven't seen in a long time and saying new codex which I think could be taken to mean just about any of the armies needing 5th edition rules. Again, I have no idea if what he is saying is true or not, but given that the Chicago Games day is less than 20 days away, it will be pretty obvious if he is full of it.
Well AdMech was going to be the one army I would break down and buy in resin despite my aversion to resin and FW products in general... but if they're going to be a normal GW army, be they metal or plastic, then count me in.
I didn't just (finally) get a hold of the Ltd. Ed. Skullz AdMech unit for the fun of it - I love AdMech.
Bah, they need to fix what they have now.. and all that noise. Whatever. Maybe they are releasing against Privateer Press and their Duckbilled Wraithlords by making a race that uses Bat Eared Khador Juggernaughts.
Personally, I think an AdMech army could be totally sweet and awesome, but I've thought that for years.
That said, I would really love it if GW could actually support the races that have already been developed or are in development. It would be really cool if Dark Eldar actually do come out after Space Wolves (and if they actually have sweet minis and a cool codex). It should be interesting to see what happens.
I (sadly) don't ever see them doing a Deathwatch Codex, or even any Inquisitorial things again (the current batch will be turned into a Generic unit in a GK and/or SoB Codex).
But if they ever do, I'll be the first person with a Deathwatch army... 'cause I already have one!!!
Anyway, AdMech, do you think they saw the endless scratchbuilds using Defiler parts that have been cropping up the past few years and thought "We could make money selling new walker-ish kits"?
Cheese Elemental wrote:Again: if it's a furry race, I swear to God I will burn down Warhammer World and publicly execute Jervis for crimes against humanity.
I will help you. When and where?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wait a minute, do space wolves count?
If so i wont help.
Even if it was a imp guard style army (which I swore I would never start again) I would buy it, cause they are awesome.
It pains me when people ask me why I have a squad of black marines with silver arms and different chapter pads.
I treasure that unit, and any of the new plastic deathwatch pads that come in the newer kits (apparently half of my Dark Angels army has been through the deathwatch)
Ad mech would be too much fun, Skitarri(?), and other cool stuff.
As far as Deathwatch goes use SM sternguard as Deathwatch, I got that project in the works. Use Scouts as "Storm troopers" with land speeder drops, A Chapter master as the Inquisitor. A little more imagination and there you go.
combatmedic wrote:It pains me when people ask me why I have a squad of black marines with silver arms and different chapter pads.
I treasure that unit, and any of the new plastic deathwatch pads that come in the newer kits (apparently half of my Dark Angels army has been through the deathwatch)
Oh yes. I've collected quite a few of those shoulder pads - enough for a Command Squad, 2 standard DW squads, a DWDev and a DW Assault Squad, all with either metal, plastic or resin chapter pads. The leader of my DW Assault Squad is a Flesh Tearer using the mean and nasty head from the Khorne Berzerker kit. He's cool!!
The DW pads ones that are hard to get are the Deathwatch Terminator Shoulder pads. One per box. I did manage to get enough to cover a 6-man Terminator and 8-man Terminator Assault Squad. If only there was a DW-style Dreadnought arm. That would rock.
greenskin lynn wrote:they're gonna make space-trollblood
Complete with space-pygs!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Something similar to Trollbloods would be awesome, actually. They could be resilient like the Space Marines but super dope in assault. Also they'd have Feel No Pain or We'll Be Back ('Tough')
Why should GW release a new Imperial faction when they could more easily refresh one of the existing factions such as SoB which has a proven following.
I deplore any expansion of Imperial choices while alien factions remain under-supported.
I'm fairly certain it was going to be Adeptus Mechanicus. I know I've seen a cover of the codex somewhere and I'm sure it wasn't a hoax or fan art job.
Wannabe Writer wrote:I'm fairly certain it was going to be Adeptus Mechanicus. I know I've seen a cover of the codex somewhere and I'm sure it wasn't a hoax or fan art job.
I gotta admit I'm very skeptical on this one. Given that their marketing "window" seems to have shrunk to less than 3 months, that'd mean we're getting the new army this year, and if that's the case we would have heard about it by now.
Now, if this is a FW army, I could believe it. FW was rumored to be doing AdMech after the Ork stuff they're currently working on.
Wannabe Writer wrote:I'm fairly certain it was going to be Adeptus Mechanicus. I know I've seen a cover of the codex somewhere and I'm sure it wasn't a hoax or fan art job.
Got proof to back this up?
Not that I can post a link too I'm afraid, it wasn't online. Fairly certain it was a GW staffer showing me the release schedule for the coming year a few months ago. They get print outs of the new things coming and I'm sure it was a print out of the cover I saw (in fact the more I think about it the more I'm positive this was where I saw it).
Flashman wrote:Wouldn't Adeptus Mechanicus just be a load of techpriests, servitors, walkers, tanks and more servitors with Guard like infantry support?
And doesn't IG already kind of cover that ground?
Anyway, I'm going to hop onto the "They're just going to announce the release of Space Puppies" band wagon.
It could be like that with ALL NEW models, backed by some special rules to make them a bit different to IG.
Flashman wrote:Wouldn't Adeptus Mechanicus just be a load of techpriests, servitors, walkers, tanks and more servitors with Guard like infantry support?
And doesn't IG already kind of cover that ground?
Which is why I'm saying it's a FW project at most.
Flashman wrote:Wouldn't Adeptus Mechanicus just be a load of techpriests, servitors, walkers, tanks and more servitors with Guard like infantry support?
And this is bad how?
I see relentless gun servitors, multi-armed close combat servitors, robots, funky walkers, barroque steam punk death rays...
I’m fairly certain that they will do an Ad-Mech army eventually. Will they reveal it at GD Chicago?
Hell No!
Space Wolves are next and they have already begun to plant hints in WD about that. So why reveal a new imperial army (even if it’s just concept sketches) that might take away some of the heat being generated by the Space Wolf anticipation. They want people talking about space puppies going into the release, not Ad-Mech. First year marketing students can tell you that you don’t undermine your upcoming product by hyping something else.
So they only think I would expect you will see at GD Chicago are some of the greens for the upcoming Space Wolfs. But maybe they are holding those back for GDUK?
There is already a really great ADMECH codex that has nifty units and rules. I say they make it "official" and release limited editions of the codex to stores and then publish it on the Website ALA Blood Angels.
Flashman wrote:Wouldn't Adeptus Mechanicus just be a load of techpriests, servitors, walkers, tanks and more servitors with Guard like infantry support?
And this is bad how?
I see relentless gun servitors, multi-armed close combat servitors, robots, funky walkers, barroque steam punk death rays...
OOO! I want my Adeptus Mech army now!
KK, your veiling of sarcasm abilities are of great reknown, so forgive me if the above was intended as humour.
If it wasn't, then I would say that I could make an Adeptus Mechanicus army tomorrow by the simple expedient of painting everything red. Really can't see how a new Codex is needed to scratch that itch.
You know...
There's not too much they'd need to do to transfer the rules from the Vraks books into a workable Lost and the Damned/Traitor Guard army book.
While I would be excited for Adeptus Mechanicus, I can't help but feel GW won't go far enough with them. Every race thats waiting for a codex redo I think would also be annoyed. If it is Adeptus Mechanicus, between that and space hulk my bank account will probably just find some dark corner to crawl into and die.
I'm betting this is all going to be space wolves, unless this is really some FW thing.
Cheese Elemental wrote:Again: if it's a furry race, I swear to God I will burn down Warhammer World and publicly execute Jervis for crimes against humanity.
Agreed. Plus, if it is furry then all template weapons should auto wound and cause instant death regardless of strength.
My guess... A combining of WH and DH into a single codex.
NAVARRO wrote:The new army will be genecult for sure.
You know I wish that was the case!
Although given that they didn't preview Planetstrike stuff at Games Day Baltimore (even though GD France got a looksee a week or two earlier), I highly doubt Chicago will be the setting for some kind of major announcement. Although again, I could see FW announcing something. That's the one part of the company that's still willing to talk about upcoming projects.
I am sure this has probably been discussed already but I was talking with a red-shirt at a Chicago area game store and asked him about that BOLS post from the other day. He said he had heard nothing about it but he did say that he was told from his sources that a new 40K race would be announced at the Chicago Games day. He said that while he didn't know what exactly it was going to be, all signs pointed to something Imperial. I asked if that meant Ad-Mech and he said that he couldn't imagine what else it would be (and neither can I if it is Imperial).
On a side note, he also said that while he's heard nothing definitive about Space Hulk yet, he expects it to be the big GW Christmas release.
Hopefully I haven't retread too much, just wanted to pass on what I heard. Obviously, it could be all , but you never know.
well, a friend of mine works for GW and says that an Ad-mec army was coming soon. putting one and one together, i would say that is precisely what this new race is. of course, it could just be another marine chapter. which would really piss me off, because last time i checked, the last thing we need is recycled material.
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BrookM wrote:The excitement most likely came from the clenched fist of the manager inside his arse tugging his spine.
wow. I've never heard it put like that. oh, BTW, nice Fuklaw emote in your sig. At least I assume it's Fuklaw.
SGT.Boris-Babyeater wrote:well, a friend of mine works for GW and says that an Ad-mec army was coming soon. putting one and one together, i would say that is precisely what this new race is. of course, it could just be another marine chapter. which would really piss me off, because last time i checked, the last thing we need is recycled material.
The issue is that their lockdown policy means they wouldn't announce the release unless it was only several weeks away. And there aren't any new armies showing up on the trade order that I'm aware of. Again, unless it's a FW project.
NAVARRO wrote:The new army will be genecult for sure.
It's supposed to be something very new indeed, not done in any other game system... 'admech' would be cool but personally I hope it's more original than that.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Wait, so there's a new marine chapter coming out?
no, no. I was just commenting on how the Imperials/ space marines seem to get all these special codices, and everyone else gets squat.
Codex: Craftworlds and Daemons wish to have a word.
There's a reason there can be a ton of Imperial/Marine codexes.
The reason?
There's a ton of Imperial branches that could potentially be fielded, as are there Marine chapters that significantly diverge from the Codex chapters.
New orks! canniballistic squigriding greenskins, get something akin to preferred enemy when fighting more orks!
either that, or an entirely character-oriented imperial army based on the characters from star trek. Goodness knows we don't have enough human characters, with only half of the possible playable races being human.
In all sincerity, people care too much about what's new. We all know that at the end of the day, GW is gong to come out with something no one gives a rat's ass about, and they'll have to raise the prices on everything else to make up for their loss, just like usual.
GW might all be jerks, but you can't say they aren't consistent!
Kanluwen wrote:There's a reason there can be a ton of Imperial/Marine codexes.
The reason?
There's a ton of Imperial branches that could potentially be fielded, as are there Marine chapters that significantly diverge from the Codex chapters.
This is true for every other army in the game as well. Every army has units and variant organization that significantly diverges from their basic codex. I don't think anyone would have a problem with this if the basics for every other army were already covered. The problem is, that's far from the case. This is 5th edition, and there are still armies that are running off of 3rd edition codices.
Kanluwen wrote:There's a reason there can be a ton of Imperial/Marine codexes.
The reason?
There's a ton of Imperial branches that could potentially be fielded, as are there Marine chapters that significantly diverge from the Codex chapters.
This is true for every other army in the game as well. Every army has units and variant organization that significantly diverges from their basic codex. I don't think anyone would have a problem with this if the basics for every other army were already covered. The problem is, that's far from the case. This is 5th edition, and there are still armies that are running off of 3rd edition codices.
Oh, I'm well aware of the Dark Eldar debacle, and Necrons could use a smidge of lovin' too.
But there's not too much differing a Farsight Enclave to a standard Tau army, that couldn't easily be noted in Farsight's section, or a few pages of extending the codex to say how an Ulthwe Strike Force would have differed from the standard Ulthwe defender forces, stuff of that nature.
It's a shame that they didn't do it that way for Eldar at least.
OK, so I posted the rumor that started this thread and I just want to clarify one point. I really don't think this is Space Wolves because he was discussing upcoming releases and had already talked about Space Wolves and DE when he mentioned this. He said that he has almost the entire next six months mapped out just by the pre-release stuff they've seen (DE was not in there). Again, the way he said race he did not make it sound like a new codex and he said that he expected this to not actually hit the shelves for a while. I will feel like a complete if there is no truth to it but I guess we shall see come the 25th.
As for updating existing armies (DE, Tyranids, SOB etc...), why would GW do that quickly? Everyone complaining about wanting updates should realize that they've already bought that army. For GW, there's a lot more money to be made introducing a new race that players will go out and buy 2K points worth rather than updating rules for player's so their existing armies work better in 5th Ed. From a sales forecasting pov, they probably map out the release schedule of existing army codices sometime before the release of the latest edition. It provides a reliable earnings forecast over the life of the current edition. I would think that things like Planet Strike and so on are added to that list as special projects and are also planned in advance. The goal of any company is to increase sales year over year, so adding new armies, game expansions and so on to the existing codex updates makes sense from a business perspective. As the brother of an avid BA fan, I can understand that it's lousy from a gaming perspective though. OK, thats a long boring post from an accountant-sorry!
In fairness, a BA Codex is profit, since none exists at the moment except the free one. There's no VAT on books, so Dexes are pure profit - costs, so a significant profit there. That said, by leaving the better old books out (WH and BT, for example) they can try and scrape more money out of those of us who haven't bothered to buy them even now.
skullspliter888 wrote:Admech would be sweet but there are still codex's that need up dated What does Brimstone think about this new race thing??
History shows that GW update old codexs on their own schedule not how the players need it done, so I find it entirely possible they would release a new faction while there are old, legal armies who badly need bringing up to 5e.
SGT.Boris-Babyeater wrote:well, a friend of mine works for GW and says that an Ad-mec army was coming soon. putting one and one together, i would say that is precisely what this new race is. of course, it could just be another marine chapter. which would really piss me off, because last time i checked, the last thing we need is recycled material.
The issue is that their lockdown policy means they wouldn't announce the release unless it was only several weeks away. And there aren't any new armies showing up on the trade order that I'm aware of. Again, unless it's a FW project.
FW, if they have finished IA 7 should be working on IA 8 which is orks and Elsian drop troops. I believe they want to do 2 ork books, with different klanz in each one. We 've already seen some of the new trukk/wagon parts, and they're also doing some mega kanz--kind of halfway between dreads and stompas I gather.
I reckon if the Ad Mech is done it will be a studio project.
..and, given that GW aren't officially saying that the Space Wolfs and Skaven are coming out, do you really see them announcing a brand new race that won't appear for several months. They want you to spend your pennies on THE LATEST COOL THING, not saving them for the cooler thing in a few months time.
EDIT : damn ,lost some type.
Also bear in mind that FW are supposed to be doing fantasy stuff as well--with the help of Mr. Priestley, and I don't think they've got the time for an entirely new range.
H.B.M.C. wrote:If FW are doing two Ork books, I hope that second one has Eldar in it. The Eldar need a little IA lovin'. They've been waiting a while now.
My understanding is that every Imperial Armour book will have at least one Imperial faction in it.
I'd be suprised if Elsians were the next Imp faction to be done in a FW book as they got covered pretty comprehensively in IA3, the Anphealeron Project.
Well, GW did these plastic Valkyries and now FW needs to push future conversion and upgrade kits for them. It also saves on creating new products, plus they can put a bigger focus on the Orks.
GW did these plastic Valkyries and now FW needs to push future conversion and upgrade kits for them.
QFT.
And they can use this an a chance to update the Elysian list as well.
I think Mr. Writer will be surprised. See the post by the erver reliable Mr. Philbrad here.
Well, I can hold out until next year for an updated Elysian list, in the meantime I'll just keep on using the D-99 list from IA4.
Here's hoping that the new Elysian models will at least include some nice head variations and more character types. I'm looking at you, elusive drop commissar!
Wannabe Writer wrote:I'd be suprised if Elsians were the next Imp faction to be done in a FW book as they got covered pretty comprehensively in IA3, the Anphealeron Project.
They've already said that the next Imperial Armour campaign book will be Elysians contesting a world that the Orks have invaded.
Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Mind you would be worth playing against an army of them just to kill the little sods (like the game mode in Battlefront 2 ).
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Or worse. A new army based on Transformers...
As long as a Megan Fox clone is included in the battleforce I am all for it
Preferably lifesize...
Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Wannabe Writer wrote:Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Mind you would be worth playing against an army of them just to kill the little sods (like the game mode in Battlefront 2 ).
That would be a great way to relieve stress.You had a bad day so you get a drink and kill 40 little bears in like a minute.Would be cool though. Go to kill bears...come home with 100 wallets.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Well AdMech was going to be the one army I would break down and buy in resin despite my aversion to resin and FW products in general... but if they're going to be a normal GW army, be they metal or plastic, then count me in.
I didn't just (finally) get a hold of the Ltd. Ed. Skullz AdMech unit for the fun of it - I love AdMech.
(Here! Here!) Let the man play his AdMech for crying out loud...
Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Sure, because that movie is so brand new.
Greets
Schepp himself
They rolled out the Catachans 10 years after anyone in the world cared about Rambo.
Indeed, GW might be thinking that an Ewok army is just the thing to get them back in touch with the cool kids. Return of the Jedi came out practically yesterday for them.
Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Sure, because that movie is so brand new.
Greets
Schepp himself
They rolled out the Catachans 10 years after anyone in the world cared about Rambo.
1: AdMech
2:deathwatch (i hope)
3:the lost and the dammed
4:more Xenos
5: an old race getting a new codex
6: kroot mercenary's which some look different from normal kroot because they have wings because of their ability to take the best genes and take it as there's
I think (ok, mostly wish), it could be an army of mercs, privateers, civi's, hivegangers. Sort of a guild wars army, able to be hired by any race. It could include old favorites like, Beastmen, Squats, Zoats, Arbites, and space pirates.
CT GAMER wrote:A hundred bucks says it's the Hrud. They are name dropped in Planetstrike again...
The Question is... Bendies or Space Skaven?
Not sure but the blurb in Planetstrike talks about the fields they emit that cause hyper-aging and how most of an IG regiment that fought them aged so much that they had to be deemed unfit for continued service after the campaign...
Kung Fu Jim wrote:I think (ok, mostly wish), it could be an army of mercs, privateers, civi's, hivegangers. Sort of a guild wars army, able to be hired by any race. It could include old favorites like, Beastmen, Squats, Zoats, Arbites, and space pirates.
I can dream can't I?
That would be really cool, I love the idea of a merc army. But doubt they'll do it since you can just do an IG army and paint them merc colours with a few proxy models thrown in for the look of the thing.
As soon as the red-shirt said that a new race was being announced I thought of the Hrud because I honestly can not think of any other major "alien" race that could field an army. Before I could even say it, he said that it was (he believes) going to be Imperial. The more I think about it the more I think it is going to be Ad Mech. In the last year we have seen three Black Library novels that involve Skiitari (Titanicus, HH Mechanicum, and HH Fallen Angels). I envision plastic Skiitari kits with tons of weapons options as well as feathers and all kinds of extras.
I want to say Dan Abnett's book describes Skiitari as having a lot of tribal markings along with their high-tech weaponry. I thnk Mechanicus does as well. I believe somewhere in there they say some of them are wearing feathers.
Jungle0731 wrote:As soon as the red-shirt said that a new race was being announced I thought of the Hrud because I honestly can not think of any other major "alien" race that could field an army. Before I could even say it, he said that it was (he believes) going to be Imperial. The more I think about it the more I think it is going to be Ad Mech. In the last year we have seen three Black Library novels that involve Skiitari (Titanicus, HH Mechanicum, and HH Fallen Angels). I envision plastic Skiitari kits with tons of weapons options as well as feathers and all kinds of extras.
Jungle0731 wrote:I want to say Dan Abnett's book describes Skiitari as having a lot of tribal markings along with their high-tech weaponry. I thnk Mechanicus does as well. I believe somewhere in there they say some of them are wearing feathers.
Abnett's book also had Skiitari performing at near Space Marine levels in terms of raw combat ability.
A bit more that the 'weird looking guardsman with a lasgun for an arm" that you've been seeing for years...
I've got high hopes for the eventual Ad-Mech Codex.
I'd rather see Forgeworld do Adeptus Mechanicus than GW. Not that I don't trust GW to do them justice, but I don't trust GW to do them justice. I think we'll end up with far more interesting models and vehicles from Forgeworld. GW is likely to do something more minimalist like another very straightforward Leman Russ variant or something in that vein.
From a rules stand point Skitarri are probably equal to Marine scouts, having recieved some but not all of the same sorts of augments. Unfortunately having lasguns for arms do not make the lasguns any more effective.
Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Sure, because that movie is so brand new.
Greets
Schepp himself
They rolled out the Catachans 10 years after anyone in the world cared about Rambo.
Perfect time to get some more catachan love, what with the last film only being released 'recently'
Codex: Sly Marbo
the battle force is essentially a Sly Marbo figure and trees, lots of trees, in your deployment phase you put your trees on the table and sly can move from tree to tree each turn without being seen
Jungle0731 wrote:I want to say Dan Abnett's book describes Skiitari as having a lot of tribal markings along with their high-tech weaponry. I thnk Mechanicus does as well. I believe somewhere in there they say some of them are wearing feathers.
Abnett's book also had Skiitari performing at near Space Marine levels in terms of raw combat ability.
A bit more that the 'weird looking guardsman with a lasgun for an arm" that you've been seeing for years...
I've got high hopes for the eventual Ad-Mech Codex.
I'm not sure why I do, but I do!
Aren't Skitari essentially 'borgs? They start with small augmentations and end up as a brain in a tin can inside a fully armored android/walker/crawler that can dish out damage comparable to a tank.
Depends which Admech fluff GW decides is canon this time. Tech Guard were the same as IG, just extra augmentations and better equipped, I think Storm Troopers were used as an equivalent for the how well equipped. You don't get massive augmentation unless you are an adept of the cult, and the grunts wouldn't be. Their equipment is the same stuff as the guard, just higher quality. The experimental stuff isn't mass produced, so its just guard with a couple toys. But GW could easily throw all that out anyway so who knows. Guard have ultra-rare Executioners all over and every minor SM engagement involves a chapter master as it is.
I am torn if I actually want Admech because I have been converting an IG army and its just more stuff to buy.
If it is, I think it would work best as an allied army similar to Inquisition anyway. Admech and Inquisition wouldn't be side by side anyway.
The Master Chief was enhanced anyway. All Spartans were taken at a young age. Trained in the art of war and combat. Then when they reached maturity they were biologically augmented and enhanced to the point of super human reflexes and strength. Sounds familiar? They are the video game jock version of the space marine. Only in the Navy instead.
There are currently five alien and several human factions awaiting renewal for 5e.
Any completely new faction just dilutes the effort spent on the existing factions. The only reason to do this is for GW to sell a new range of models. (That's exactly what they want, of course.)
I don't know I always thought the game could use a really generally slow moving, tough, and short semi-alien race. They'd kinda have similar weapons to imperials but with a slightly different slant. If it weren't for Space Wolves they could certainly have that viking slant. I guess they might always go the route of artisan creator craftsman types with a bit of trader caravan tossed in. *cough*cough*
There's already so many great themes and armies in the game now.. necrons for undead, tau for anime, elves, bugs.... there's really just no original ideas left except for maybe the pan fo.
I'd love to see an CODEX: INQUISITION. Update and combine the old DH and WH codecies with a combined codex and remove the whole allies thing from the lists, there's no option to give imperial guards, space marine allies so why any others, I say bulk out the list to be standalone... I'd also like to see astrates aribites back, my poor models have been sitting on my shelf now since 2e.
As for a new race there are always possibilities and I'd be interested in what they come up with, but I will agree with the majority and say NO MORE IMPERIAL factions. I can just see it now introducing Transformable mecha (it's a walker - but that was last turns it's transformed now into a skimmer, but only until the end of the movement phase - uh oh!)...
Don't get me wrong. I am all for them updating the stuff they have out. But this is a "what is the new race thread". Don't step on our pipe dreams because you have a blood vendetta have to try and force it on everyone else here. WE can still dream.
This generally slow moving, tough, and short semi-alien race you speak of. Would they be squatish? Much like midgets? OH! They could employ a Squat Launcher! Short, stout, mean jerks flying through the air wit ha battle axe. I would be down.
Alathazal wrote:I'd love to see an CODEX: INQUISITION. Update and combine the old DH and WH codecies with a combined codex and remove the whole allies thing from the lists, there's no option to give imperial guards, space marine allies so why any others, I say bulk out the list to be standalone...
I'd also like to see astrates aribites back, my poor models have been sitting on my shelf now since 2e.
I partly agree with a combined Codex: Inquistion, to some extent. The non-SOB, non-Ecclesiarchy parts in WH (e.g. Officio Assassinorum operatives, Orbital Strike) should merge with DH to make a proper Inquisition list. The Inducted units should be redone entirely as standalone units of "Inducted Guardsmen" and "Seconded Marines" and easily gives the Inquisition enough units as a standalone book. That just leaves Inquisitional Allies as an issue, which should be limited as a strictly limited Guard option, only (i.e. "an Imperial Guard force may take up to 1 HQ and 1 Elite choice after fulfilling any mandatory requirements").
Just been re-watching Return of the Jedi (for about the millionth time) and had a horrible thought. What if GW have again been "inspired" by popular sci-fi culture and the new race is 40K Ewoks?!?!?!?!
Sure, because that movie is so brand new.
Greets
Schepp himself
They rolled out the Catachans 10 years after anyone in the world cared about Rambo.
Perfect time to get some more catachan love, what with the last film only being released 'recently'
Codex: Sly Marbo
the battle force is essentially a Sly Marbo figure and trees, lots of trees, in your deployment phase you put your trees on the table and sly can move from tree to tree each turn without being seen
grimbrandt wrote:
Perfect time to get some more catachan love, what with the last film only being released 'recently'
Codex: Sly Marbo
the battle force is essentially a Sly Marbo figure and trees, lots of trees, in your deployment phase you put your trees on the table and sly can move from tree to tree each turn without being seen
That would totally break the game. It'd be worse than Daemons being broken in WHFB.
Cheese Elemental wrote:Again: if it's a furry race, I swear to God I will burn down Warhammer World and publicly execute Jervis for crimes against humanity.
Agreed. Plus, if it is furry then all template weapons should auto wound and cause instant death regardless of strength.
My guess... A combining of WH and DH into a single codex.
aka_mythos wrote:I don't know I always thought the game could use a really generally slow moving, tough, and short semi-alien race. They'd kinda have similar weapons to imperials but with a slightly different slant. If it weren't for Space Wolves they could certainly have that viking slant. I guess they might always go the route of artisan creator craftsman types with a bit of trader caravan tossed in. *cough*cough*
Hmmm... I think you should just come right out and say what it is you really want to say.
OOMBATOO O`MALLY wrote:You've got it all wrong there finally doin the Slann Battle Toad style FROGS IN SPACE.....
I know you were joking, but to be honest I think that would be really cool. I like the idea of space lizards. It may be the old Trekkie in me wanting to see the Gorn represented.
I had to explain the Sly pun to three people yesterday. All of whom play 40k and have seen all of the Rambo movies.
Haha awesome!
Cheese Elemental - I don't game anymore (though thinking of getting back into that side of things) so I don't know how broken the daemons are, but you gotta admit, it'd be priceless to just set up a forrest on the board as your deployment phase just to see the look on your opponents face!
I like the idea of space Lizards. I have no idea how they would bring them into the cannon though. Could use the "They came from another Dimension" approach. Would be another Assault heavy army with some Psychic powers to boot? hmm
The Eastern Fringe isnt controlled by the Imperium- its real easy to see a new race rising out of the dark wastes beyond any semblence of Imperial control ala the Tau to become a new 'major' (because really, compared to the other guys, the tau arnt really a major race) race.
Carlovonsexron wrote:The Eastern Fringe isnt controlled by the Imperium- its real easy to see a new race rising out of the dark wastes beyond any semblence of Imperial control ala the Tau to become a new 'major' (because really, compared to the other guys, the tau arnt really a major race) race.
The greater good is working it's way up. Though they will have some Nid troubles. I have no idea who I would cheer for if those two fought. I would love to see the book though.
Lizard men rise out of the darkness from the eastern fringe. I like that but what would their tech look like. And man they would hate space as a cold blooded species. ugh.
Grimpost wrote:
The greater good is working it's way up. Though they will have some Nid troubles. I have no idea who I would cheer for if those two fought. I would love to see the book though.
Lizard men rise out of the darkness from the eastern fringe. I like that but what would their tech look like. And man they would hate space as a cold blooded species. ugh.
20 Bucks says GW put the nids there to remove the Tau in case they didn't work out.
The Hrud (sp?) where mentioned a few times in planetstrike. Maybe not lizard men but rat men in space...
The more I think about it, the more I want Squats back in 40K. I remember all the cool super heavy vehicles they had in Epic, they would be awsome in Apocalypse. The Squats are still in Gothic as an ally of the Tau called the Demiurg, but would be cool to have the Demiug in 40k as they had some unique starship gear, which could be translated to the battle field. For instance, their starships could blast markers and debris in Gothic and use it to power a laser weapon (i think ). How cool would that rule be in 40K? Shoot a lascannon at a Squat/Demiurg tank and on a roll of 5+ it absorbs the energy and then fires back immediately with a shot of it's own.
Hmmm, I'm liking this already. Must try to write some Squat data sheets for Apocalypse to play test rules.
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oni wrote:I just don't see the novelty of Squats. What about them is so damn appealing?
I guess it's just a matter of what you like. For instance I don't find Dark Eldar, Necrons or Chaos appealing. A lot of it is probably just the rose tinted spectacles of hindsight. If they were to come back exactly as they were it wouldn't be so great as they would just be short IG (except the mega-armoured squats as pre Brook's pic and some cool vehicles). They would need a proper re-working, but I think they could be really interesting. Plus I just like the idea of space dwarves.
a. Demiug/Squats
b. Sprats (space-rats get it?)
c. Dinosaucers (copyright infringement?)
All of the above I say! I don't see why they couldn't get those all out. Combine DH, WH, and Assassins. That way the WHFB players couldn't complain about 40K having more Codices.
If they were worried about money they have thousands of people who have ideas and would LOVE to create and play test a new race. For free. All they would have to do is give some people a mention in the credits.
At least there's less than a week left to wait and see. Also, anyone who still thinks it's Wolves is blatantly wrong, as the Wolves have already been announced as an October release. Assuming, of course, that ANYTHING is to be announced.
Elessar wrote:At least there's less than a week left to wait and see. Also, anyone who still thinks it's Wolves is blatantly wrong, as the Wolves have already been announced as an October release. Assuming, of course, that ANYTHING is to be announced.
That's the point. There won't be an announcement of a new army. There's nothing else on the release schedule, and GW doesn't talk about projects anymore until they're near a release date. Ergo...
This is an eight-page thread about a rumor ONE poster heard from a redshirt at his local shop. Just trying to add some perspective here.
As a current Blue-shirt =p . . . I KNOW! that we don't anything . . . staff don't get told any info, or get the black box, or new Codices . . . until 4 WEEKS before release . . . so that means everyone already knows what is coming out, they just don't know the details. Basically it just gives us enough time to learn rules, prepare models, or whatever is needed. So don't trust any rumours, unless they're out of the studio . . . and that's not going to happen, otherwise people will be losing jobs lol
They're like Raven Guard and Blood Angels in one sexy, sexy package!
+1
I mean they would be a totally like cool addition to the game because they are nothing like regular marines: They think knowledge is power and they like to guard it very well.
Totally puts a new and refreshing spin on marines. Besides 40k needs moar models with "blood" in the title so people know that 40k is about war and stuff and is like bloody...
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metallifan wrote:Maybe it'll be a race of GW Staff? Imagine seeing an army of redshirts beating the crap out of your army with the power of the annoying sales pitch!
maybe Gav could write the codex. Finally he would be justified in making an army suck...
greenskin lynn wrote:by getting our best friend's hot sister to loan us out best friends car to use in a demolition derby
Funny enough my brother managed that years ago. I´ll always wonder how he convinced her to let him drive. He was lucky that the phone relay he smashed was due to be removed
On the new race discussion I´ll go with Emo twylight looking marines, there is a big market gap there that GW needs to cover ASAP
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Miguelsan wrote:On the new race discussion I´ll go with Emo twylight looking marines, there is a big market gap there that GW needs to cover ASAP
M.
They've already got that in CSM, though.
Oh feth, what if they do that with DE? Not that it'd be much of a stretch...god, can you imagine Edward Cullen leading a kabal, god. Way to kill my enthusiasm.
Miguelsan wrote:On the new race discussion I´ll go with Emo twylight looking marines, there is a big market gap there that GW needs to cover ASAP
M.
They've already got that in CSM, though.
Oh feth, what if they do that with DE? Not that it'd be much of a stretch...god, can you imagine Edward Cullen leading a kabal, god. Way to kill my enthusiasm.
I can´t wait for the new "Why-me?" Archons and the "Heavy-on-Kohl" dyed wytches.
Hopefully it will be the Dark Angels codex Update... where they will add all that FAQ nonsense about your opponent having fun vs you having fun, into our codex.
I really don't get why this thread is still running. There is no new race being announced. Yes, there is a big secret to be revealed, but GW says it's something they haven't done before. So no update to an existing codex.
Quixote wrote:Hopefully it will be the Dark Angels codex Update... where they will add all that FAQ nonsense about your opponent having fun vs you having fun, into our codex.
Quixote wrote:Hopefully it will be the Dark Angels codex Update... where they will add all that FAQ nonsense about your opponent having fun vs you having fun, into our codex.
From the Amsterdam Red Shirt: they don't know anything but look in the rulebook and codex books for new stuff, but whatever you do, DON'T go apeshit bananas over every new bit of art or scenery.
I just got an email from my purple-shirt source at the GWHQ in Dubrovnik. The new army is going to be Space Uruk-Hai for 40k, they're supposed to be like meaner and stronger orks that aren't green. They're pretty excited about it too because it's their first 40K / Lord of the Rings crossover army, kind of like star wars transformers where they took 2 things that just don't match and somehow made it awesome.
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I think a codex: Xenos would be nice. Bendies, demiurg, more kroot options etc. with the ability to be inducted by Tau or played as an individual force. There is a lot of room in the fluff for this idea and It would have the added bonus of making the anime fan tau players quit whining.
From the Amsterdam Red Shirt: they don't know anything but look in the rulebook and codex books for new stuff, but whatever you do, DON'T go apeshit bananas over every new bit of art or scenery
The Imperius Dominatus (big space map) speaks of a race named the hyper-violent Barghesi. Some one already suggested them but I think they could be supported since they also come from the eastern fringe like the Tau (asian market).
From the Amsterdam Red Shirt: they don't know anything but look in the rulebook and codex books for new stuff, but whatever you do, DON'T go apeshit bananas over every new bit of art or scenery
The Imperius Dominatus (big space map) speaks of a race named the hyper-violent Barghesi. Some one already suggested them but I think they could be supported since they also come from the eastern fringe like the Tau (asian market).
Fired up the PDF rule book when i got to work to have a look at the map. Theres also the Thexian Elite.
Elessar wrote:Why are you still guessing? Srsly you guyz, it's not a new race.
PROOF please!
Simples. It's in, what, 4 days? If there was a new race a-brewing, it'd be sculpted, have a Codex etc. The Wolf Dex, for instance, was written over a year ago now. Okay, we didn't know right away that they were coming out, but we've known for, what, 5 months? That's a far smaller deal than a new race. We would have heard.
Also, it would take away from SW sales.
GW may be a lot of things, but blatantly stupid business practice isn't one of their traits.
I'm not saying the Demiurg, Barghesi, Thexian Elite, AdMech, Dinosaurians, Transformers, Daleks, Spongebob, Bananas in Pyjamas, etc aren't getting released ever. Just that they're not in GWs short-term plans.
avantgarde wrote:Whatever it is it's guaranteed to cause nerd rage.
Pick one and rile yourself up:
-It's stereotyping x group, someone should sue GW - It's gonna be SM, hurr.
- X army needs a codex first
- Redshirt don't know nuttin.
- Spam Pan Fo references.
Look, Squats, LatD, Zoats, whatever else - just not that popular. Making a lot of noise doesn't mean you're the majority.
The lists in Codex:Armageddon got partially integrated into their revised Dexes, but nobody complains that Speed Freeks no longer get the awesome Guntrukk. (I personally converted 5, and had to break them again when it was taken from me.)
Nobody minds that Sallies are now I4.
Nobody minds that Steel Legion are now the same as Cadians.
Nobody cares that BTs were the only ones to walk away from that Dex happy.
Nobody REALLY misses the Ulthwe Strike force, even though they're far and away the most popular Craftworld. (Stupid fall back rules!)
Feral Orks, Exodites, Wulfen, Deathwatch? - Most players don't care that much. Sure, I'd love them all to be available. Really, I would. But it was good business to drop them. Especially since, when they return, nutters will go apeshit for the cool rerelease, and buy in bulk.
statu wrote:it said they were going to announce a new thing, which we all want to be a race, and they may not necessiarly be relealsed for a while
We are most certainly NOT all wishing for a new race. Ask Dark Eldar, Necron, and Tyranid players. Hell, ask Daemonhunters, Witch hunters, Tau, Orks and even Eldar players, if they'd rather a new race, or a new Codex.
statu wrote:it said they were going to announce a new thing, which we all want to be a race, and they may not necessiarly be relealsed for a while
We are most certainly NOT all wishing for a new race. Ask Dark Eldar, Necron, and Tyranid players. Hell, ask Daemonhunters, Witch hunters, Tau, Orks and even Eldar players, if they'd rather a new race, or a new Codex.
DE, necrons maybe nids and inquisition need a new one, and of course would prefer their codex to come out first, but as an eldar player, i've gotta say that the codex works well enough not to need a new one. and i meant to say take instead of want
Surely though, you'd rather Vypers to be priced appropriately, Hawks and Spears not to suck, to FINALLY get the missing phoenix lords, for said lords to be outside the FoC so there's a reason to take them (they're still too expensive to take them all, so this isn't in any way broken) Wave Serpents to either be 15 points cheaper or come with free Cannons and appropriately costed upgrades (seriously, twice as much as a Chimera!) Wraithguard to not suck, Avatars to be Fleet, Autarchs to get Exarch weapons, Wraithlords to not suck (could let this one slide), Shadow Weavers to be Large Blast...
But fair enough, you meant take - but I think my previous posts give reasons why this is not likely.
Elessar, sometimes you have to just accept that a thread has taken on a life of its own. As I've said a few times, this is a rumor based on a conversation a random poster had with a redshirt. It's the kind of "rumor" that's usually slapped down within 4 posts around here. But now we're up to 10 pages.
This might show GW that in the absence of information, people will make things up to fill the void. And that might not be exactly what GW wants. Just wait for the nerd rage when nothing we didn't already know about is unveiled at Chicago.
Elessar wrote:Surely though, you'd rather Vypers to be priced appropriately, Hawks and Spears not to suck, to FINALLY get the missing phoenix lords, for said lords to be outside the FoC so there's a reason to take them (they're still too expensive to take them all, so this isn't in any way broken) Wave Serpents to either be 15 points cheaper or come with free Cannons and appropriately costed upgrades (seriously, twice as much as a Chimera!) Wraithguard to not suck, Avatars to be Fleet, Autarchs to get Exarch weapons, Wraithlords to not suck (could let this one slide), Shadow Weavers to be Large Blast...
Have never wished for any of the above. Fleeting Avatars Seriously, the Eldar Codex is mostly acceptable with a few duff choices that all Codexes seem to have.
Elessar wrote:Surely though, you'd rather Vypers to be priced appropriately, Hawks and Spears not to suck, to FINALLY get the missing phoenix lords, for said lords to be outside the FoC so there's a reason to take them (they're still too expensive to take them all, so this isn't in any way broken) Wave Serpents to either be 15 points cheaper or come with free Cannons and appropriately costed upgrades (seriously, twice as much as a Chimera!) Wraithguard to not suck, Avatars to be Fleet, Autarchs to get Exarch weapons, Wraithlords to not suck (could let this one slide), Shadow Weavers to be Large Blast...
But fair enough, you meant take - but I think my previous posts give reasons why this is not likely.
half of that makes little sense, eg exarch weapons on an autarch, fleeting avatars, wraithlords sucking and phoenix lords being outside the FoC. Lets go over why, 1. Exarch weapons are weapons that are reserved for those that have become Exarchs, eg lost themselves along that Warrior Path, as Autarchs would have gone down some, maybe all, of the Warrior paths, and turned away, from a fluff standpoint it would make little sense. 2. Giving Avatars fleet is an extremly broken thing to do, it would mean very little would be able to stand up to them. 3. wraithlords do not suck, 100 points for a S10 T8 monstrous creature that can re-roll rolls to hit in CC. 4. currently i take Karandras and Asurmen together as my HQ choices, and although that means that the rest of my army is small, i get two guys that can rip the feth out of most enemy models, with a minor bit of tinkering with points with the system you suggestd phoenix lord spam would become the next big tourney army, IMO that is a very broken thing to do.
back on subject it would be good to see a reptillian army
Sure, it's better than most. But, if possible, get a copy of the previous Editions Dexes, and note the points cost laziness. Perhaps, the costs have been miraculously balanced ever since 2nd. Or maybe, Phil Kelly was just lazy. Maybe he was bullied into leaving them as is. Whatever the reason, it's not cool for several things to vary no more than 10 points over 3 Editions of the game.
Fleeting Avatars are necessary to make them playable. Wishing for Hawks to not suck I'd have thought was a fundamental law of physics.
@Statu:
Hardly - You can run from a Fleeting Avatar. Or, shoot it. It's still 3 turns away, on average.
Exarch weapons are abundant, certainly more so than bodies.
As I said, Phoenix Lords are too expensive to take more than 2, even if outside the FoC. You pay 445 points for those HQs. I'd happily play you on a 4'x4' board, with 445 points of Bolters. Nothing but Bolters.
Wraithlords are TERRIBLE. Okay, 100 points S8 blahblah. For 130 points, I can kill you in one round of shooting from 48" away. Having moved 6". Oh, and I can fulfil a varied role, whereas you're just a poor man's Carnifex.
How many points do you play, that you can afford such exorbitant expense on HQ?
Wouldn't it be awesome if we could stay on topic . . . oh no wait this is a forum where people get to talk about everything that's bad in their codex in EVERY thread . . . gets kinda lame after a while, and I've been here less than a week!
Anyway, if a new race is released at Chicago that would be awesome, some nice easy sales for my store . . . but in reality, with so much going on at the moment I don't think one will be released for another year . . . but I suppose it could be released, aslong as it isn't released before DE =p
Space Hulk would be cool and all, but after Planetstrike and Planetary Empires, I think I shall be all 40Ked out (yes, I know Hulk is not 40K, but it's the same universe).
A new race is imperative. I can't wait to log unto DakkaDakka 15 years from now, and read about all the people who complain about how their codex hasn't seen an update in 15 years, and how, 7 editions later, it's messed up, and how annoyed they are that marines got 20-30 updates since.
Edit: And, of course, all the replies about how there hasn't been a DE update in 25 years and how much more they deserve it, and how the new race is not getting an update simply because it doesn't sell. and how the reason they ain't getting an update is because Necrons are getting one every 6 months.
avantgarde wrote:Whatever it is it's guaranteed to cause nerd rage.
Pick one and rile yourself up:
-It's stereotyping x group, someone should sue GW - It's gonna be SM, hurr.
-It will be something GW steals from history then sues anyone who tries to use the same iconography - X army needs a codex first
- Redshirt don't know nuttin.
- Spam Pan Fo references.
Personally, I'd like to see space rats. They just fit so well with the interplanetary travel, and all the sweet sweet transport vessels with millions of tons of goods to chew through. The rats could even be pirates, capturing transports in space, or taking on less heavily defended outposts and such. There are just so many cool conversion posibilities with a space rat army. Like the Orks, but less ramshackle, and more sneaky inventions. (The rat Reepacheep (sp?) were always my favourite Narnia character. can you tell?)
Another idea for the Codex: Inquisition is personal armies of Rogue Traders 'in service' to Inquisitors. In the Ciaphas Cain novels (at least) there are several hints (and overt statements) that Inquisitor Vail has one or more Rogue Traders in her network of 'associates'. Could be cool to see some more eccentric Mechanicum inventions, made on commission for 'private interests'.
Official 40K cosplay accessories. Foam-rubber chainswords. Airsoft bolters. And huge freaking shoulderpads with different race-specific bitz to make little Timmy into a Spaze Mahreen, then a Battle Sister, etc.
That's my bet.
Seriously folks, it's not going to be anything important. If it's Space Hulk, I'll be shocked (although shocked AND gathering my funds to buy like 8 sets).
It's probably not a new race because this box is only supposed to be out for a limited time.
And their behind on codex updates, but space dinos would be freakin' awesome.
It's not Space Hulk, as that isn't new. Also do you really think that they would limit the sale of something that has such a great following? I know that 3/4 at my club would buy Space Hulk if it came out, and with the rumours saying limited edition . . . possibly only 2 to a shop . . . or whatever. . . I doubt Space Hulk is going to be the massive secret . . . and that is my 2 pence.
Would be cool if it was the 40k version of the Mafia!
I would love that! Basically the Criminals of Imperium that work within the Imperium system. Their biggest and strongest power is that they can use weapons from most of the other races and even get their hands on secret Imperial Guard or Inquisition etc items. Pretty much a army that gets its stuff from the black market and other races too!
, but you never know.
eath Watch Codex
That would rock.
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