Since 1995, I have been playing tabletop games but playing GW games since 1997 and I have won my share of games. However, compared to the rest of my gaming group I am a mediocre gamer. But (I know I am about to get with both barrels) I do not play the games to win, just play to play because it is fun. Sometimes the epic fails (losing an entire 2500 point Empire Army to one skeleton kicking a spearman in grapes, f-ing morale tests) in my game is about just as much fun to watch as the rare epic wins (Tau Crisis Suits beating an Eldar Avatar in close combat).

So over that time I have had some great times playing but there are issues at times that really gets under my skin such as, game store kids, their dumb a*s soccer moms, gamers that think they are cool that they listen to talk radio and think that their views are always right even though their pasty white butts barely peal themselves away from WoW or Pron to get more Mountain Dew and Tissues with aloe to realize that if they explored the real world that their minds would expand and not just their billboard like posteriors.

I do realize that my point of view, thoughts and rants are my own and I do not care to influence anyone with my words. I might offend some but at times I need to let go and rant. So here we go…

For years I was in the military, then in local law enforcement but now I am in college to get a better job. Even though I do not work out like I did in the military I did not let myself go. When I started playing WH40K it was when I was in the military so time I played in a tourney two players could fit in between two tables at the same time. But at the LGS tourneys I have noticed that there is a least a metric ton of players for every three tables.

So does the number of each edition of the game multiple the waists of the gamers’ pants. At what point do you think it is time to cut back in the Pron Surfing, Special Edition Blue Rays, and junk food when your Marine Tac Sqd is fighting in the shade because of your massive gut. And it is not glandular; it is because of the fist to maw cramming crunch wrap supreme and BK in between swilling massive amounts of soda and flavored coffees. In the lunch break of the tourney walking down to the chain sub store 50 feet away the living version of the Greater Daemon of Nurgle waddling behind use bellowing a deep sickly laugh at something his chubby digits found on his I-Phone was sweating profusely even though it is only 65 out.

My friends order normal sandwiches and I order a half turkey with a full load of veggies. Still not the healthiest food choice but I don’t feel my heart screaming with every bite. But, the bacon teats gamer orders the Italian Sub with double meat and cheese and I can’t make this one up, “I want it on wheat because I am watch my calories. What, just extra mayo.” At that point I wish his heart would slap him in the head and hand him a V8.

Wheat bread does not constitute a health alternative when you add double meat and cheese covered with extra mayo. WTF! When does some step in with in intervention or maybe a new pair of walking shoes? When to you realize that you are so disgustingly big that your sweat is ubër pungent with a hint of McD’s secret sauce making birds drop from the sky, butterflies wilt and small children cry? Why is the becoming more and more typical of gamers in LGS?

A couple pieces of advise to these gamers before they get extra charges from the EMS because they needed extra equipment for lifting their massive bulk after suffering a cheeto induced heart attack are as follows:

1. There is a little something called exercise. No it is not some crazy Eldar psychic power or something you can download on the internet. Ask your mom to help you out of her basement, put on a pair of walking shoes and walk. This is for exercise and not down to the 7 Eleven two blocks over for a slurpee and Bomb Burrito.

2. Double meat and cheese on wheat bread is not a diet food. Especially when you cover it with extra mayo. Do you want airlines worker to have to lift you up into a plane because the stairs can not take the stress from you’re a*s. Turkey, more veggies than meat, no mayo and water. If you do this you will be able to see Mr. Pete again and not have to pay for broken FW models because of your disgusting bulk.

Well I have ranted for long enough. You might not agree with me or you might agree. You can comment if you want or not it is up to you. I will rant again next week.

Sadly, Dunlap disease seems to be a common affliction among wargamers.

Welcome to the Terrordome, er OT. Your years of pent up rage will serve you well here.

What if you're just lazy but love to eat?...or god forbid...don't care?

So does the number of each edition of the game multiple the waists of the gamers’ pants. At what point do you think it is time to cut back in the Pron Surfing, Special Edition Blue Rays, and junk food when your Marine Tac Sqd is fighting in the shade because of your massive gut. And it is not glandular; it is because of the fist to maw cramming crunch wrap supreme and BK in between swilling massive amounts of soda and flavored coffees. In the lunch break of the tourney walking down to the chain sub store 50 feet away the living version of the Greater Daemon of Nurgle waddling behind use bellowing a deep sickly laugh at something his chubby digits found on his I-Phone was sweating profusely even though it is only 65 out.

This is so choice

I want it on wheat because I am watching my calories.

I was in the Army for 12 years, maxed out my PU and SU events and passed (barely sometimes) the run on my APFTs. God how I hated the run event. I've been out for a couple of years now, and I've got a little belly action going, but nothing much. Living in Houston there's just no way of getting me out there to run during the summer months. If you pulled a gun and told me to run or die, I'd probably tell you to just shoot me lol.

I don't really care how people live their lives. If they want to be in good shape, more power to them, if not, who am I to judge. What gets me though are those who lack in the hygeine department. I can't stand going to the store to play a game or paint or whatever and have somebody who smells like a damp gym sock roll over to where I'm at. It's rude to subject people to your various odors. If you want to sit at home in your own filth that's fine, it's not hurting me a bit. If you decide to go out into public places... bathe first. Put on clean clothes, brush your teeth. If not for some degree of self respect at least do it so I don't have to regrow my nose hairs after an encounter with your aura of pestilence. Being a fan of Nurgle doesn't mean ya have to live the life.

I went to a Gamesday once, and despite all of the cool stuff there I will never go to another because of the unwashed masses.

I'll have you know my lard is simply my emergency ale stash.

Besides, who wants a six pack when you can have a keg?

You may be a mediocre gamer but your intolerance is of Olympic quality. You remind me of my brother after he got out of the army, which is why I haven't spoken to him in fourteen years even though he owes me $500. I see an Ignore button in your future.

warpcrafter wrote:You may be a mediocre gamer but your intolerance is of Olympic quality. You remind me of my brother after he got out of the army, which is why I haven't spoken to him in fourteen years even though he owes me $500. I see an Ignore button in your future.

Oh my lord, here we go again..... he is not being intolerant. he has a good point. One dose not have to look like a greater daemon of Nurgel or a Orge for that mather if you are into Tabel top. Taking care of ones healt is the SMART ting to do.
I know how the feeling is to be surroned by massive amounts of unwashed gamers... its just horribel

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Besides, who wants a six pack when you can have a keg?

I don't think I would like what shoots out of your tap though...

I've seen the problem and I feel for the guys. I think a lot of it comes down to people who just give up. They are happy with their computers, books, and little plastic men and it is quite a mountain to climb to lose that much weight. To them it's probably like why even bother?

I think wc is just overreacting slightly. The OP is just pointing out something really obvious. I think at times that is what needs to be done. I've got my fair share of pudge, but I don't suffer from dunlap disease or wease when walking up stairs. Then again I've always tried to be fairly active and I've had jobs that require me to be active.

Regardless of size and financial restrictions everybody, and I repeat, everybody should wear deodorant and take a shower at least once a day. If you cannot do either of those things you really shouldn't be in public (if your a gamer that is). If you're homeless then do whatever you want to do.

Was an entertaining read for me. But in all seriousness the weight that some people put on does make me worry about them though. I don't want to be playing a game then all the sudden they get a stroke or heart attack because they were overweight. Or hear that something of that natured occured over the week and i don't get to see them anymore. In general, i wish that people would get out more and sweet.

And for me, smelly people are intolerable.

Jacksonhighlander wrote:And for me, smelly people are intolerable.

At least somebody agrees. It's unfortunate that many people of the gaming variety seem to have issues in this area of life. I didn't run into the problem amongst the clubbers and bar hoppers from when I was big into that scene. I didn't run into it when I was big into the outdoors (paintball, SCUBA, hiking etc) after we were done with the activity it was straight to the showers. It's only since I've interacted with gamers, video and table top, in larger numbers do I always seem to end up in the proximity of the Golgothan from the movie Dogma. That rank smell of hot, salty sewage wafting over the tables from somebody who hasn't bathed since grade school walking in from triple digit heat and 100% humidity. Makes me want to carry around a supersoaker full of soapy water. Either that or a freakin exorcist... some of those smells have to be wrought from the fires of hell.

Let them die of their ignorance.

Either that or actively make an effort to help people get in better shape.

Which will you choose?

Frankly, I find your complaining to be annoying.

I tend to be annoyed when I go to the bunker because of the constant confirmation of "loser" stereotypes there. The 13 year old talking about the "slave girls" that he's going to model on his daemon's base, the GW employee who goes so far into the fluff during a demo game that none of my friends are willing to consider the game despite the fact that they had fun playing it.

I will say, however, that it has served an excellent purpose. Once I had to pick up some plastic glue and I happened to be hanging out with my girlfriend. Now, she's been a close friend forever, was aware of my gaming habit, and the relationship is reasonably serious, but the fact that she didn't dump me after I showed her around a store full of skinny 13 year olds and less skinny 40 year olds arguing over the true nature of Slaanesh, I knew she was a keeper. (not Of Secrets, either)

It would be nice if gamers could rise up and throw off those negative stereotypes. Some of them are already falling (I've seen girls in the store! OMG!).

It is a rant, and I have been known to say some pretty honest things too. Wait... yeah that is it HONEST.

Anyway, I agree but I cant imagine the OP actually facing off with Jabba Da Cheezy Poofs in a grudge match of caloric proportions. If you stink, take a shower, use deoderant, and wipe... yes, please wipe, then WASH.

Being hygienic has little to do with being overweight, but it is common sense, and running around spreading poo on all the handles just make my white blood cells angry... I think I may be leaking toxic fluids, natural reaction, sorry about that.

Just let me do up my list on armybuilder... I'll be ready for a game in a few minutes.






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Here in Oz, fat we can handle... BO we can't and many tourneys actually provide deoderant for the smellier players.

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In this thread and others I have seen people slinging around accusations of intolerance or bigotry.

Please note that in regards to social behaviour and attitudes, intolerance does not mean saying you don't like something. It means saying you don't like something which a reasonable group of people wouldn't care about.

In Elizabethan times everyone smelt because they didn't have baths. We have baths in the modern world and it is the social norm to wash.

It is not intolerant to say you dislike the smell of people who don't wash properly.

Kilkrazy wrote:In this thread and others I have seen people slinging around accusations of intolerance or bigotry.

Please note that in regards to social behaviour and attitudes, intolerance does not mean saying you don't like something. It means saying you don't like something which a reasonable group of people wouldn't care about.

In Elizabethan times everyone smelt because they didn't have baths. We have baths in the modern world and it is the social norm to wash.

It is not intolerant to say you dislike the smell of people who don't wash properly.

This thread isn't about people who don't wash.

It's about obese people.

Somehow in this thread smelling bad became universally equated with being overweight so that they are simply one and the same, which is obviously untrue.

I am intolerant of people who don't wash, I'm not intolerant of fat people.

It's about obese people AND people who don't wash. And the common combination of the two. The two factors are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

i love this thread.... i am roflmao....

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ok, i dislike smelly gamers... i dont care if if your a twig, or if i can make an apple orbit your gut... showers FTW.

now i am no small person, but there is ZERO reason to let yourself get so FAT you need to lug around an O2 tank so you dont pass out (actualy saw this at a large tourney).

how people let themselves get THAT bad just amazes me... at what point do you put down the fried twinkes???


i dident know vaders cheeks were so big

Bah- if your hobby was Para-sailing, or Sky-diving, or Rock climbing, or Parquor(?) it might be an issue.

But seeing as the biggest muscle most Gamers use is their tongue, you might also consider the eating as Summer-Camp for thier face....... .

Also, I designed Waaagh's latest "Image".

What a Ladies Man he is now!!!!!

It's an odd thing. Here we all are one of the dorkiest hobbies around, and you'd think gathered under the flourescent lighting of our collected basements, rec centres and main street stores, as we move plastic figures through pretend grass, that one thing is very obvious - our hobby is very lame but that doesn't matter because its our choice and we have fun with it. Of course, not everyone gets that, plenty of folk see a minis game and they'll think you're a loser for playing. Yet despite that geeks are the first to turn on any other group for their own failings.

Yeah, so there's folk that are fat, that's their deal and while they should be aware of issues and health risks, it is at the end of the day their own lives. So maybe you can just play the game and stop being a judgemental goob, it's likely you've got plenty of your own failings to sort out.

Envy89 wrote:i love this thread.... i am roflmao....

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ok, i dislike smelly gamers... i dont care if if your a twig, or if i can make an apple orbit your gut... showers FTW.

now i am no small person, but there is ZERO reason to let yourself get so FAT you need to lug around an O2 tank so you dont pass out (actualy saw this at a large tourney).

how people let themselves get THAT bad just amazes me... at what point do you put down the fried twinkes???


i dident know vaders cheeks were so big

Thats not Vader....thats Megatron.

Mind you, if you think smelly nerds are bad, trying sharing your taxi with a sweatybetty for a colleague. My lovely clean cab now stinks of his BO. Of course, it might not be so bad if he didn't insist on setting the aircon on circulate, which I can only assume he does to ensure his vile stench permeates every possible fibre.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Envy89 wrote:
i dident know vaders cheeks were so big

Thats not Vader....thats Megatron.

really? Its hard to tell when its so... distorted.

Vader's head is more rounded, and his nose melds into his mouthpiece.

Envy89 wrote:

i dident know vaders cheeks were so big

Here's my guess!



Nystatin powder---Apply to affected folds TID x 20 days
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Zocor 20 mg PO QD
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Follow up with Wound Care RE: non-healing R foot ulcer

Ketara wrote:It's about obese people AND people who don't wash. And the common combination of the two. The two factors are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

Again, you state obesity and not washing is "common" - care to back that up with any facts?

Of course you don't because you don't have other than your "personal experience" from our small part of our large world.

PS: Read the OP again and nowhere do I see a mention of smelly gamers.

PPS: Let's just start throwing out as many stereotypes as we can.

I'm sure everyone posting in this thread is the absolute pinnacle of a perfect human being both mentally and physically.

Maybe we should just start talking Eugenics - then you wouldn't have to deal with smelly, fat, socially inept gamers?

I remember when I was overweight (up to 108kg) I used to sweat a horrendous amount.
Even with heaps of antiperspirant/deoderant.

But I showered twice a day to keep my smell to 'Manly funk' rather than 'This smells worse than fart'.

Since I lost the weight I barely sweat anymore.

I have put on a few pounds since I got my truck and stopped biking and walking all the time. I have definitely been sweating more than I used to, showers make all the difference, and there is nothing wrong with smelling like you unless that smells like fried beans and pork bellies.

I have a very different problem. I can't gain weight to save my life! I'm eating even more than I usually do to try and gain weight during the off season (I play rugby) but I just can't! I am of normal weight but I really need to gain some weight If I want to be more competitive. I play wing and I am pretty fast but when I see a Monster 200+ pound prop bearing down on me I am sick of getting run over when I attempt to tackle him. I wish I could gain weight as easily as some of these other gamers.

rubiksnoob wrote:I have a very different problem. I can't gain weight to save my life! I'm eating even more than I usually do to try and gain weight during the off season (I play rugby) but I just can't! I am of normal weight but I really need to gain some weight If I want to be more competitive. I play wing and I am pretty fast but when I see a Monster 200+ pound prop bearing down on me I am sick of getting run over when I attempt to tackle him. I wish I could gain weight as easily as some of these other gamers.

I hear massive amounts of protien is supposed to help with that. Start drinking Steak and peanut butter shakes. Every 10 minutes.

Lagduf wrote:

Ketara wrote:It's about obese people AND people who don't wash. And the common combination of the two. The two factors are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

Again, you state obesity and not washing is "common" - care to back that up with any facts?

Of course you don't because you don't have other than your "personal experience" from our small part of our large world.

PS: Read the OP again and nowhere do I see a mention of smelly gamers.

PPS: Let's just start throwing out as many stereotypes as we can.

I'm sure everyone posting in this thread is the absolute pinnacle of a perfect human being both mentally and physically.

Maybe we should just start talking Eugenics - then you wouldn't have to deal with smelly, fat, socially inept gamers?

That's correct, but my empirical evidence is in no way invalidated by the fact that I haven't met every person in the world. Considering that about 30% of gamers I've ever met are obese,( and by that, I mean more than a little chubby), and almost every one of them smelt, I would feel fully justified in saying that obese gamers seem to have an aversion to washing. You may disagree, but considering that any evidence you would counter mine with would be empirical as well, my evidence is just as good as yours.

And you just had to bring the nazi's into it, didn't you? Ever heard of Godwin's Law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

We're only the second page in for crying out loud. If you can only go two posts in a discussion without calling the other side Nazi's, and using an argument as tired as, 'blah blah, you only know what you've seen therefore you don't know gak' , then to be honest, you strike me as nothing more than a pretentious fool trying to act clever.

And if the first reply that springs to your mind when reading this is something along the lines of, 'Ah, I said eugenics, not nazi's!', then you really are one.

rubiksnoob wrote:I have a very different problem. I can't gain weight to save my life! I'm eating even more than I usually do to try and gain weight during the off season (I play rugby) but I just can't! I am of normal weight but I really need to gain some weight If I want to be more competitive. I play wing and I am pretty fast but when I see a Monster 200+ pound prop bearing down on me I am sick of getting run over when I attempt to tackle him. I wish I could gain weight as easily as some of these other gamers.

Drink a gallon of milk, every day.

That should do something.

The thing about most professional rugby players is they are extremely muscular, far from our linebackers in the U.S. which usually resemble a form of brick wall.

If you are skinny by natural default I can't imagine it being healthy to try and bulk up past your natural limits. I highly doubt your body would appreciate you forcing it to be bigger than it has the natural potential to be.

On that same note we might as well be watching robots play a lot of these sports with the expectations set by todays viewers. People are not massively strong, or quick, or even agile for that matter. We have used tools to be "better" than a natural runner, or sheer power-house, nowadays though supplements seem to be commonplace and they have become a way to exceed your natural limitation. If I wanted to be unnatural I think bionic arms would be my first choice, a six pack and the ability to tackle people of the a slightly larger size is simply no match for this.

Ketara wrote:

Lagduf wrote:

Ketara wrote:It's about obese people AND people who don't wash. And the common combination of the two. The two factors are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

Again, you state obesity and not washing is "common" - care to back that up with any facts?

Of course you don't because you don't have other than your "personal experience" from our small part of our large world.

PS: Read the OP again and nowhere do I see a mention of smelly gamers.

PPS: Let's just start throwing out as many stereotypes as we can.

I'm sure everyone posting in this thread is the absolute pinnacle of a perfect human being both mentally and physically.

Maybe we should just start talking Eugenics - then you wouldn't have to deal with smelly, fat, socially inept gamers?

That's correct, but my empirical evidence is in no way invalidated by the fact that I haven't met every person in the world. Considering that about 30% of gamers I've ever met are obese,( and by that, I mean more than a little chubby), and almost every one of them smelt, I would feel fully justified in saying that obese gamers seem to have an aversion to washing. You may disagree, but considering that any evidence you would counter mine with would be empirical as well, my evidence is just as good as yours.

And you just had to bring the nazi's into it, didn't you? Ever heard of Godwin's Law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

We're only the second page in for crying out loud. If you can only go two posts in a discussion without calling the other side Nazi's, and using an argument as tired as, 'blah blah, you only know what you've seen therefore you don't know gak' , then to be honest, you strike me as nothing more than a pretentious fool trying to act clever.

And if the first reply that springs to your mind when reading this is something along the lines of, 'Ah, I said eugenics, not nazi's!', then you really are one.

Your evidence is hardly a fair, unbiased random sampling. Perhaps just the gamers in your area are filthy? Gee i've met plenty of smelly people who aren't fat. Looks like my "evidence" conflicts with yours.

Lets just get the facts straight:

You are making a personal attack against me, and not my argument, because I brought up Eugenics. The Eugenics movement existed in America prior to the formation of the National Socialist Workers Party. Look it up sometime if you haven't. Hate and ignorance exist in every culture, they still exist today as is evident in this thread.

What I was trying to do is make the point that this thread is absurd. It's nothing more than a bunch of people talking about how they find fat people disgusting. It really, truly is. The OPs "musings" are nothing more than his pretentious ramblings about how disgusted he is by fat people and how he is better than they are. He just can't "understand" how people let them do that to themselves. Is it that he can't understand or he doesn't want too?

A lot of the comments in this thread echo that, and then stereotypes just started getting thrown around:

Gamers are fat, smelly, socially inept, etc, etc, etc.

This is nothing more than a hateful thread bashing on overweight people using blatantly untrue stereotypes.

The moderation needs to lock this thread and delete it.

I await your reply where undoubtedly you will once again start implying insults. Oh wait, that's against the rules of this forum. Oops.

Mad Rabbit wrote:I tend to be annoyed when I go to the bunker because of the constant confirmation of "loser" stereotypes there. The 13 year old talking about the "slave girls" that he's going to model on his daemon's base, the GW employee who goes so far into the fluff during a demo game that none of my friends are willing to consider the game despite the fact that they had fun playing it.

I will say, however, that it has served an excellent purpose. Once I had to pick up some plastic glue and I happened to be hanging out with my girlfriend. Now, she's been a close friend forever, was aware of my gaming habit, and the relationship is reasonably serious, but the fact that she didn't dump me after I showed her around a store full of skinny 13 year olds and less skinny 40 year olds arguing over the true nature of Slaanesh, I knew she was a keeper. (not Of Secrets, either)

It would be nice if gamers could rise up and throw off those negative stereotypes. Some of them are already falling (I've seen girls in the store! OMG!).

Dear God, QFT

He's going to get it.

sA


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rubiksnoob wrote:I have a very different problem. I can't gain weight to save my life! I'm eating even more than I usually do to try and gain weight during the off season (I play rugby) but I just can't! I am of normal weight but I really need to gain some weight If I want to be more competitive. I play wing and I am pretty fast but when I see a Monster 200+ pound prop bearing down on me I am sick of getting run over when I attempt to tackle him. I wish I could gain weight as easily as some of these other gamers.

Oooh, an American playing rugby.

I'm impressed.

sA

Lagduf wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Lagduf wrote:

Ketara wrote:It's about obese people AND people who don't wash. And the common combination of the two. The two factors are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

Again, you state obesity and not washing is "common" - care to back that up with any facts?

Of course you don't because you don't have other than your "personal experience" from our small part of our large world.

PS: Read the OP again and nowhere do I see a mention of smelly gamers.

PPS: Let's just start throwing out as many stereotypes as we can.

I'm sure everyone posting in this thread is the absolute pinnacle of a perfect human being both mentally and physically.

Maybe we should just start talking Eugenics - then you wouldn't have to deal with smelly, fat, socially inept gamers?

That's correct, but my empirical evidence is in no way invalidated by the fact that I haven't met every person in the world. Considering that about 30% of gamers I've ever met are obese,( and by that, I mean more than a little chubby), and almost every one of them smelt, I would feel fully justified in saying that obese gamers seem to have an aversion to washing. You may disagree, but considering that any evidence you would counter mine with would be empirical as well, my evidence is just as good as yours.

And you just had to bring the nazi's into it, didn't you? Ever heard of Godwin's Law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

We're only the second page in for crying out loud. If you can only go two posts in a discussion without calling the other side Nazi's, and using an argument as tired as, 'blah blah, you only know what you've seen therefore you don't know gak' , then to be honest, you strike me as nothing more than a pretentious fool trying to act clever.

And if the first reply that springs to your mind when reading this is something along the lines of, 'Ah, I said eugenics, not nazi's!', then you really are one.

Your evidence is hardly a fair, unbiased random sampling. Perhaps just the gamers in your area are filthy? Gee i've met plenty of smelly people who aren't fat. Looks like my "evidence" conflicts with yours.

Lets just get the facts straight:

You are making a personal attack against me, and not my argument, because I brought up Eugenics. The Eugenics movement existed in America prior to the formation of the National Socialist Workers Party. Look it up sometime if you haven't. Hate and ignorance exist in every culture, they still exist today as is evident in this thread.

What I was trying to do is make the point that this thread is absurd. It's nothing more than a bunch of people talking about how they find fat people disgusting. It really, truly is. The OPs "musings" are nothing more than his pretentious ramblings about how disgusted he is by fat people and how he is better than they are. He just can't "understand" how people let them do that to themselves. Is it that he can't understand or he doesn't want too?

A lot of the comments in this thread echo that, and then stereotypes just started getting thrown around:

Gamers are fat, smelly, socially inept, etc, etc, etc.

This is nothing more than a hateful thread bashing on overweight people using blatantly untrue stereotypes.

The moderation needs to lock this thread and delete it.

I await your reply where undoubtedly you will once again start implying insults. Oh wait, that's against the rules of this forum. Oops.

Lagduf get off your high horse you started it with the eugenics statement.

OT but that actually predates the Nazis and still exists. Ginsberg made a very interesting comment in an interview the other day about the new for Roe to keep down undersirable populations that receieved very little press.

Apparently 1 in every 3 soldiers in the Australian Army are overweight or obese...



Currently a pile of them are on exercise here in Queensland, Australia with the US Marines... and both groups are going through 5000 cream buns per day, each with enough calories that it takes 10 hours of walking to burn them off....

Whaddaya know? The first thing that sprang to your mind was 'Ah, I said Eugenics, not Nazis!'. Wonder how I predicted that one.....

Yes your statement of experience is different to mine. But that doesn't make it better than mine!

And yes, you brining up Eugenics, and all the usual implied nasty associations is reason for thinking you a bit pretentious in my book. I disagreed with what you said before you brought up eugenics, and I disagree with what you're saying without it. Deal with it. You're going on about throwing around offensive stereotypes about gamers here.

I AM A GAMER

And because of that, I'm fully aware of a large chunk of the gamer population is comprised as I detailed above. I've travelled a bit, and moved to areas all over england. What I've found has remained consistent throughout. Therefore I feel fully justified in claiming that stereotypes have some basis in reality.

If you're already mortally offended by this, than you need to grow a thicker skin, pal. You're on the internet. People may very well disagree with you from time to time. If I was breaking forum rules, the two mods that just posted would already have cracked down. However, the mods on this forum know what is, and isn't appropriate.

In other words:

DEAL WITH IT

When I was in a regular club, plenty of the members were overweight, myself included.

No-one was a barrage balloon, though, and with one exception (a skinny guy, funnily enough) we all used to take a bath everyday -- not together -- and we wore laundered clothes.

Some of us even had girlfriends and wives.

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Gentlemen, this is getting heated. We can have a polite discussion here, discussing the veracity of gamer stereotypes without being insulting too each other and bringing up such topics as eugenics. If we cannot then this thread will be closed.

I think we can also agree there is a difference between being fat and being offensive smelling.


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I think there are even store generic differences:
*US GW stores: higher proportion of kids, late teens. These can often have a sense of stench, but other than being physically dirty/smelly from the day, are normal (news flash to you youngins from a parent-if you're a teenage boy, you reek-do something about it)
There are instances of the real stink thief though, but its not too bad.

*FLGS. Older gamers and MTG types. Often the Dark side of the force is strong with this crew. The young ones have the teenage hormones but never learned the whole shower/breath spray/clean freeking clothes thing. Older gamers can be even worse.

Sorry but the MTG/D&D crowds I've run into at FLGS and when escorting ze Boy on his global domination tours when he was younger just trumped most anything 40K related. Mostly normal kids but sometimes it was just absolutely horrific.

True. When I was 15, I used to go to Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments, and the stink of the great unwashed was nigh on unbearable.

As I stated in my post I would rant the next week and it is here. Saterday I went to my LGS to pick up a figure case and totally forgot it was the Ard Boyz weekend. I did do this 9 hour hurt fest last year and I am glad I did not do it this year. Just to see how things were going I poked my head in to gaming area where the haze of humanity was already building up. Between the complaining, screams for a ruling, Dice being thrown on the ground out of anger and one crunching of a stepped on nid I saw that there was an mythical creature gracing the gamers presence with a gamer that I have never seen before. This rare creature was a good looking women.

Then what came into my mind was what I have noticed the behavior from alot of gamers in the LGS the past few years and looked around and saw that there was a mixture of gamers not paying attention to the game but doing the "It's puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again." look at her. This behavior I relly noticed when my wife use to grace us at out gaming group when a gamer was staring at my wife with a slack jawed, wide eyed look as she bent over the table to pick up a model. Then I went to a tournie and another gamer's girlfriend was sitting watching a dvd trying to avoid verbal or even eye contact with the nerds or gamers were doing the same look at her.

While I know that a woman willing to walking into a LGS is rare and a good looking woman willing to stick around while her worst half plays a game is even rarer. This does not give a gamers the right to stare so hard she can feel her underware burning you sex deprived, pron addicted, dice throwers. I am always waiting to see how many gamers run over to the chair and sniff it after she gets up.

I don't care if dad beat you, or mom didn't hold you enough or that the cheerleaders would not give you the time of day does not give you the right to stare like a chester at a playground like it was a all you can eat buffet. Not only does it creep out the women when they walk in to by something for a gamer's birthday it does creep out other gamers because I don't want to think about the gamer across me dancing in his mom's basement nude with the boys tucked say, "If I was a guy I would me too." It makes me want to go home, burn my clothing and cry in the shower in the featal position.

Now that I have kick these panel van driving geeks in the grapes, a few socially excepted tips. When a good looking woman walks in, a quick one second glance is ok, she walks past a quick peek is cool . No one will say anything since to look is human but to hungerly stare is creepy. After that just concentrate on the game or I can see a Ex Parte in your future . Keep your comments to yourself because you don't know whom is around because she could be someone's sister or better half. For those whom know whom I am talking to please follow these easy rule because if the women feel creeped out in the store the LGS owner will lose their business and you could even find yourself explaining yourself to a cop why you were not going to wear her skin as a woman suit.

Enough for this rant I will post another rant later.

P.S. Remember the three foot rule. Any closer than three feet is invading personal space for women and cops normally resulting an a swift kick in the junk or a being slammed to the pavement. If you do not know what three feet is stick your arm out all the way out and that is approx three foot personal space. So invading that space and asking, "So you like high elves? You want to see my spearmen?" is just creepy.

Well most of the gawkers would be teens/young adults, right? It sounds like you're exaggerating a bit here. I've been to a LOT of stores, GW and Independents, and I rarely see this stereotype. I mean, of course younger people are going to gawk at your wife, more so if she's a particularly attractive woman.

Sounds like your standards are far too high. People stink in large numbers, and your wife is attractive. Deal with it.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Well most of the gawkers would be teens/young adults, right? It sounds like you're exaggerating a bit here. I've been to a LOT of stores, GW and Independents, and I rarely see this stereotype. I mean, of course younger people are going to gawk at your wife, more so if she's a particularly attractive woman.

Sounds like your standards are far too high. People stink in large numbers, and your wife is attractive. Deal with it.

1. Its called being polite.
2. Excessive gawking generates this response A. "WHAT!" followed by B. meek children looking back down at their minis.
3. People only stink in large numbers if they don't maintain hygiene. Deal with it.

Considering you're not hanging around to respond and you tell us you're planning on making a rant every week, so I'm guessing you're treating this like a column or something. Maybe you even fancy yourself as the next Bill Hicks or something. Whatever it is you're trying to achieve I wish you well, but I'll just leave you with a couple of tips.

First up, good commentators earn their stripes by taking on taboo subjects, attacking positions of power, and giving new insight into topics. 'Fat gamers are fat and I don't think they should be' and 'teenage boys are awkward around women and I'm smug about that' is not new ground, it isn't challenging anything, its more like kicking a puppy, and you aren't really saying anything that hasn't been said by countless other internet people before.

Second up, text is a hard medium to make funny. You've got some awkward phrasing in your rants which wouldn't be much if you were just making regular posts but seeing as how you seem to want something more out of this, I recommend you give your rants an edit before you post.

I am writing these quickly so to refocus my eyes after reviewing endless government documents all day long. For this post, I notice it is not the younger gamers that are gawking but the older one like 35 to 50 year old gamers that are gawking. It gives you the "strangers have the best candy" feeling when you see it.

These rants are me just sharing my thoughts for people to discuss and if people disagree with me that is fine and if they agree that is good to. But a healthly discussion on the issue from the community is always good on these gamer specific social topics and taboos. I do not get into arguements on the forums, just putting my thoughts out there. And if you want know I will make these same comments in the LGS so this is not just a forum rant.

So basically, you state something that bugs you, accurate or not, and then refuse to enter into discussion on it?

If you can't be bothered to discuss it, neither can I. That's the last post I'm gonna make in this thread.

Oooh, a pretty girl amidst a sea of unwashed ham, whatever shall we do?!

If anything, I'm like that scrawny piece of bacon in that sea of ham......

It is sad that women cannot enter FLGS' without being stared at for the longest time. You wanna Gak at the wimminz? Teh internethz here for you.

I observed the tournament this weekend, at my local store and was pleasently surprised. There wasn't alot of yelling or rules lawyering, but more important there was only one obnoxiously smelly guy, and a couple of people with dragon breath. The overall ummm tonnage wasn't that bad. Nothing like Gamesday or Blizzcon, just remembering the smells gives me a shiver and a twitching sensation in my nose.

I LOL'd.

A *lot*.

Tyras wrote:I was in the Army for 12 years, maxed out my PU and SU events and passed (barely sometimes) the run on my APFTs. God how I hated the run event.

I've been out for a couple of years now, and I've got a little belly action going, but nothing much.

Yeah, same. PU / SU no problem, but the running's a bitch...

That "little belly action" adds up over time. A few pounds isn't a big deal. Until you multiply a few pounds per year times several years.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Besides, who wants a six pack when you can have a keg?

Depends on the sixer & the keg in question.
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barlio wrote:it is quite a mountain to climb to lose that much weight.

It took time to put it on, it'll take time to take it off.
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Lagduf wrote:Let them die of their ignorance.

Nah, better that they lose a foot or two to diabetes...
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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:*SNIP*

My eyes! My eyes! :barf:
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Envy89 wrote:i love this thread.... i am roflmao....


i dident know vaders cheeks were so big

I didn't know that was a girl - I thought that was just another gamer with moobs...

I'm thinking maybe the summer weather may not exactly be helping. Heat + fat is never a good thing (unless it's bacon, Mmm bacon). At our FLGS the female counterpart of the husband/wife team occasionally makes a trip down the Magic tables with a can of Lyesol. Some people have commented that they think it is rude, but I'm thankful. Helps reduce the smell trauma that I could be suffering.

I watched a good part of the 650lb Virgin on TLC last night. That will give you a perspective into the life of somebody who has changed for the better.

Oh yeah I can't talk crap about the weight (not that I would anyways). Went to the doctor today and got weighed... I'm thinking soda and deserts are off the menu for a while.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Thats not Vader....thats Megatron.

Thats the only thing I thought when I saw that pic.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I LOL'd.

A *lot*.

Tyras wrote:I was in the Army for 12 years, maxed out my PU and SU events and passed (barely sometimes) the run on my APFTs. God how I hated the run event.

I've been out for a couple of years now, and I've got a little belly action going, but nothing much.

Yeah, same. PU / SU no problem, but the running's a bitch...

That "little belly action" adds up over time. A few pounds isn't a big deal. Until you multiply a few pounds per year times several years.
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Eh it's been a couple years and I'm about 12 pounds heavier and the weight has migrated a bit lol. At 33 years old I think I'm doing ok. I do need to excersise more though. I don't have the energy I had while I was excersising daily.

As to fat gamers, I don't really care. As long as their not bothering me it's all good. Jerks are not defined by their body fat content. Smells on the other hand, make the environment unpleasant and is easily remedied, not so much with a weight problem.

Hmmm, has this become some sort of weekly rant delivery service?

I highly doubt this will end well, have fun...

Tyras wrote:I don't really care how people live their lives. If they want to be in good shape, more power to them, if not, who am I to judge. What gets me though are those who lack in the hygeine department. I can't stand going to the store to play a game or paint or whatever and have somebody who smells like a damp gym sock roll over to where I'm at. It's rude to subject people to your various odors. If you want to sit at home in your own filth that's fine, it's not hurting me a bit. If you decide to go out into public places... bathe first. Put on clean clothes, brush your teeth. If not for some degree of self respect at least do it so I don't have to regrow my nose hairs after an encounter with your aura of pestilence. Being a fan of Nurgle doesn't mean ya have to live the life.

I went to a Gamesday once, and despite all of the cool stuff there I will never go to another because of the unwashed masses.

That's the damned truth. Get your head outta fantasy land long enough to realize you live in the real world, with real people, and they don't want to smell your funk.

And they don't call the great unwashed masses that for no reason.

I don't have a problem with fat people, a lot of fat people are cool and I'm no stick insect myself. The problem I do have is when people complain about it, do nothing about it, and expect people to have sympathy.

Nothing makes me angrier than seeing a TV show about some super obese person 'struggling to get by' because they weigh too much and have become completely dependant on their family. ESPECIALLY when their lunch consists of 5 grilled cheese sandwiches dipped in ranch dressing (not making this up, I watched it the other day. The irony was incredible...). I mean I like ranch dressing as much as the next guy but I would think that if you were that big you'd be MORE motivated to have self control, not less?

Maybe it's that they're giving up, maybe it's glandular, maybe it's psychological, maybe it's just repeat behaviours that have created a vicious circle of bad eating habits. Whatever the cause, I want to see a person start working towards fixing something they see as a problem before they start complaining about it.

On a related note, a few days ago I was reading movie reviews and stumbled upon one about Wall-E that had deviated into a discussion about "anti-fat" sentiments. I had never heard the term "anti-fat" but apparently it's well documented and growing in popularity as the newest, in-vogue finger-pointing activity. So now because I believe people should be hired on merit, regardless of the colour of their skin, I'm racist. Because I believe men and women should be tested physically and mentally equally for whatever job they are looking for, I'm sexist. And now, because I believe that I should not have to have a massive, overweight person in the seat next to me in aeroplane/bus/movie theatre sitting half on top of me, I'm "anti-fat." Fantastic.

Before I go, I would like to point out that there is a LOT of hate in the world and a lot of it is directed towards particular races, colours, creeds and peoples. That's not cool. I think you have EVERY right to dislike something about someone, but to have blanket hatred and stereotyping for a whole group of people is unacceptable. My above statements could possibly be construed as inflammatory, but it's only to get my point across. Let me re-iterate, I don't hate any 'type' of person. I just hate it when someone complains about something they (and moreover ONLY they) have every power in the world to change.

Done and done. Apologies for any hurt feelings. I'm a nice guy, really.

DoW

Am I the only wargamer/gamer/student who is getting decisively THINNER the nerdier he gets?

Shamfrit wrote:Am I the only wargamer/gamer/student who is getting decisively THINNER the nerdier he gets?

No... in fact I'm nearly 40 lbs lighter than when I started wargaming. True story.

Of course the change in eating habits, diet and excercise probably had more to do with it than wargaming. But it's still true.

Hehe, now that I think about it, my last post conjured up the image of a man eating his models that don't work out, gorging himself on the gluttony of failures, victories, and modelling projects gone wrong.

I think the routine and order and financial control needed to keep wargaming going whilst studying for a degree, working and keeping your home stuff going is a good breeding ground for keeping healthy and a stable weight, the problem comes when you do nothing but, and believe me, I've been there, A year ago I was 17 stone, two years, 19, 4 years, a whopping 22.5!

Settled at 14.8 for now, and that's through dieting alone - and developing a sudden hatred of chips...(The British sort).

The stereotypical view that gamers and nerds are unclean and overweight is sadly one that doesn't seem like it's going to go away, But prove somebody wrong once in a while ladies and fellas, have a shave

(Hides beard.)

I think this is a great thread and look forward to more rants.

BTW I'm an overweight gamer AND a creepy girl-starer-atter.

To remedy both I'm trying to get more exercise, and I walk up to girls to strike up conversation so as to personify them.

The Green Git wrote:

Tyras wrote:I don't really care how people live their lives. If they want to be in good shape, more power to them, if not, who am I to judge. What gets me though are those who lack in the hygeine department. I can't stand going to the store to play a game or paint or whatever and have somebody who smells like a damp gym sock roll over to where I'm at. It's rude to subject people to your various odors. If you want to sit at home in your own filth that's fine, it's not hurting me a bit. If you decide to go out into public places... bathe first. Put on clean clothes, brush your teeth. If not for some degree of self respect at least do it so I don't have to regrow my nose hairs after an encounter with your aura of pestilence. Being a fan of Nurgle doesn't mean ya have to live the life.

I went to a Gamesday once, and despite all of the cool stuff there I will never go to another because of the unwashed masses.

That's the damned truth. Get your head outta fantasy land long enough to realize you live in the real world, with real people, and they don't want to smell your funk.

And they don't call the great unwashed masses that for no reason.

QFT. One of the gamers at my FLGS would giggle loudly and announce that he had just 'made a nurgling' when he passed gas. Aieeeee. Also, he was one of the guys who was attached to my fiancee by an invisible three foot leash while she was working on her Thousand Sons...it appeared to be elastic, he would go somewhere else, and then snap back. I think I discovered the reason why my second army is chaos marines...the tanks have spikey bits for threatening of face pokey!

A sign that threatens to begin to muster the forces to rekindle the long dead and cooled ember of the spark of the flame that is my faith in humanity: Gamer in question did desist with the 'hurr made a nurgling' thing when he realized it was not, in fact, funny. For that he has my gratitude.

djphranq wrote:I think this is a great thread and look forward to more rants.

BTW I'm an overweight gamer AND a creepy girl-starer-atter.

To remedy both I'm trying to get more exercise, and I walk up to girls to strike up conversation so as to personify them.

Dammit, djphranq. Dakkites aren't supposed to actively try to improve themselves! That's ridiculous!

One of the many local, village idiots has ripped a fart during our last 2 games. If he would have said, "excuse me I have passed gas, please pardon the rotten, carcass-like smell you will soon be tasting". I would have probably laughed and said no problem, but NOOO he rips a SBD in front of a fan, A FRICKING FAN, BOTH TIMES. So instead of something that could have possibly been hidden from me I get an assbomb right in my face (since I am sitting down and the fan is pointed right at me).

I immediately cover my face and tell him to cut it out. The second time I asked him not to do it again since this is becoming a trend. He mumbles a half-hearted apology and puts on a sad face.

Poor hygiene and manners pisses me off, I'm sorry. This guy works at McDonalds too, I won't eat there if he is working.

Dude, the second time, I'd have punched him. That's just gross.

Pipboy101 wrote:I am writing these quickly so to refocus my eyes after reviewing endless government documents all day long. For this post, I notice it is not the younger gamers that are gawking but the older one like 35 to 50 year old gamers that are gawking. It gives you the "strangers have the best candy" feeling when you see it.

These rants are me just sharing my thoughts for people to discuss and if people disagree with me that is fine and if they agree that is good to. But a healthly discussion on the issue from the community is always good on these gamer specific social topics and taboos. I do not get into arguements on the forums, just putting my thoughts out there. And if you want know I will make these same comments in the LGS so this is not just a forum rant.

Thing is, these aren't taboo subjects. They've been talked about to the point of cliche. Not that a topic has to be original to be worth talking about, but then you should hang around to contribute to that conversation.


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Shamfrit wrote:Am I the only wargamer/gamer/student who is getting decisively THINNER the nerdier he gets?

The hardcore of our hobby basically consists of fat guys who always wear shorts and skinny guys who always wear trousers. There are all other kinds of people who game, but they're rarely as committed as the fat guys in shorts and the skinny guys in trousers.

Humans fart on average 15 times a day.

If you are not making your numbers you can't blame someone else for doing the extra work needed.

Really?

Anyway, I don't know anyone who willingly fesses up to a fart. In fact even if there are only two people in the room, the perpertrator will often blame the victim.

Light a match? OH SHI-

Pieces of ham and bloated intestine everywhere.

lol

Pipboy101, any chance of turning these rants into a highly successful series of YouTube movies?

Your rants would make a great basis for a sitcom.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Your rants would make a great basis for a sitcom.

Oooh, the "mediocre" part would be used for other things other than gaming. Especially when the GF/wife/whatever walks on set and makes a certain remark about his prowess followed by a catch phrase and a laughing track.

No one would want to see me on video. Average height, build and weight but not best on camera. Damn, what it this, a match.com commercial? My next rant should be tomorrow or the next day since I am going to stop by my LGS today after work. It is always good for new material, trust me.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Really?

Anyway, I don't know anyone who willingly fesses up to a fart. In fact even if there are only two people in the room, the perpertrator will often blame the victim.

He who smelt it, dealt it.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Dude, the second time, I'd have punched him. That's just gross.

I would have, but it would have been like punching Corky, rewarding for about 5 seconds until you realized you punched a slowed kid.

As far as the staring thing goes, my wife who is pretty good looking will not go near GW in the mall with me, she avoids it like the plague and it is not because she knows I am a nerd gamer it is because she hates the looks she gets in there.


I have partial bias against fatties because in america everyone is overweight and it is embarrassing to me as an American. It is never genetics and is always diet and lack of exercise. I have recently started a new diet and now I see that if you eat right it is amazing what it does to your body not only weight wise but mood/performance. The thing that really bugs me is all the "big" people or normal people I see that claim they are on a diet but they are drinking soda/eating burgers etc. The ones in the office are the worst, I eat a lot but I eat only meat/fresh veggies/fruit/nuts and they tell me that I can eat as much as I want cause I am young( in reality I coudl when I was young but now that I am 28 this does not work anymore ), I try to explain it is because my diet is what we are meant to eat not microwave dinners or anything else. But these people will not listen due to their own ignorance/not wanting to admit they have a poor diet.

I know more about obesity than I really want to. My wife is studying to be a dietitian, and watches her class videos in the room where I'm painting.

Obesity in the US is largely related to government decisions. In the 80s, this wasn't the case. They had farm subsidies that paid farmers to destroy crops (or not grow them). This kept supply artificially low, which kept prices high enough for farmers to live on.

Reagan did away with the farm subsidies. This flooded more food onto the market, and drove prices down. As a result, in order for the farmers to make it, they had to sell more food (albeit, at lower prices per unit). It is not coincidence that the growing obesity trend in the US started when the farm subsidies were cut.

People who buy food at home aren't going to buy more, so a lot of the excess food gets bundled in two places, that makes people fat.

The first is that our corn is turned into high fructose corn syrup. This stuff is in everything. And, while it is not actually any worse for you than any other sugar, the fact that it is present in so many places means you're consuming a lot more sugars than you need, or that are good for you. Excess sugars get turned to fat very easily. High fructose corn syrup is used in everything because people generally like their food a little sweeter, and companies realize this, and so they use it as an additive everywhere to get people to buy their products. And, they can do this because it is dirt cheap. Remember, this stuff is being made with all the excess corn that's produced and sold at extremely low prices.

The second easy dump-off point for excess food is into the food service and restaurant industries. If you go out to eat, chances are that whatever you order is more than twice the amount of food that you need. The suggested serving size for beef is 4 ounces. When I go out to eat, the smallest burgers on the menu are generally 1/2 pound, and the smallest steaks are frequently 12 pounds. And they get even bigger - I've seen 64 ounce steaks on menus. That's sixteen times more food than a person needs.

Two simple steps that people can take to reduce their caloric intake are related to these two major causes of obesity:

First, a simple step to reducing your caloric intake is to cut out all non-diet sodas. This is an easy step, as it doesn't require a lifestyle change, you can still get your 64 ounce big gulp when you want it, but you do so without the intake of all those sugars. Obviously, this is part of a plan towards becoming healthier. Ordering a diet coke alongside a triple bypass burger doesn't mean you're healthy.

Second, a healthy rule of thumb, when eating out, is to cut your entire meal in half before you eat anything, and put one half aside to take home for leftovers.

It's really hard to avoid gaining weight when the country's system of producing and distributing food is stacked against you, but it can be done, you just have to pay attention to what you're eating. No one food is bad for you, it's the quantities that are.

That is only half the story

Diabetes and Obesity also stems from our food pyramid.

No one should be eating the amount of carbohydrates they suggest nor should anyone be eating more then one slice of bread a day to begin with. All it does is stores the carbs as fat and it is not easily accessible to process for the body.

drakedeming wrote:
Diabetes and Obesity also stems from our food pyramid.

No one should be eating the amount of carbohydrates they suggest nor should anyone be eating more then one slice of bread a day to begin with. All it does is stores the carbs as fat and it is not easily accessible to process for the body.

This is untrue. Do you have sources? Humans have eaten bread and grains (carbs) for thousands of years. The widespread obesity and diabetes problems in the US only started in the last thirty or so.

US only-your mileage may vary:
Portions are too large. Fast food and restaurant portions are immense at this point. In my lifetime I've seen them grown huge. I remember when quarter pounders where a big deal. Wendys went to a triple meat burger for a while (still might). Sweet Jesu.

Calories are turbocharged. Not only are portions large, tut they are turbocharged with fats/carbs. Its one thing to eat a lot of bread, its another thing to eat a lot of bread in a 1500 calorie McD meal of some sort.

Sedentary lifestyle. This literally is a back in my day moment. We're eating the same calarie intake as an 18th century farmer while many of our kids are having an invalid's lifestyle of inactivity.

Gotta agree with the portion size and the good old fashioned family lesson of always eating everything on your plate. I've had friends from America over who at first stated that they got little to eat, but in retrospect saw that they were always getting too much back home.

Redbeard wrote:

drakedeming wrote:
Diabetes and Obesity also stems from our food pyramid.

No one should be eating the amount of carbohydrates they suggest nor should anyone be eating more then one slice of bread a day to begin with. All it does is stores the carbs as fat and it is not easily accessible to process for the body.

This is untrue. Do you have sources? Humans have eaten bread and grains (carbs) for thousands of years. The widespread obesity and diabetes problems in the US only started in the last thirty or so.

Homo sapiens ("sapiens" is Latin for wise or intelligent) has lived from about 250,000 years ago to the present.

Bread and cooking grains that are inedible or poisenous raw has only been around for 10-12k years, our bodies have not had enough time to evolve to this. I am not saying eating bread and grains is bad, but in the amounts that we eat it is.





According to Harvard scientist Dr. Walter Willett, the original USDA Food Pyramid is terribly misleading and flawed. He states that the Pyramid has not kept up with scientific nutritional research. The original food pyramid made a number of blanket claims supporting its food list, such as, all fats are bad; all complex carbohydrates are good; protein is protein; dairy products are essential; potatoes are good for you; and there was no recommendation for exercise. Here is a brief rundown of Dr. Willett's areas of scientific contention:

All fats are bad: Not true, says Dr. Willett. Saturated and trans-fats are bad, but monosaturated and polyunsaturated fats, as well as fats from fish, nuts, olive oil, and grains, are good.

All complex carbohydrates are good: Not true, again. First of all, “six to eleven servings of carbohydrates” is way too much. The Pyramid does not differentiate between refined carbohydrates, such as pasta, and truly complex carbohydrates, such as whole grain cereal and bread.

Protein is protein: Again the doctor disagrees. Some sources of protein are better for you than others. For example, red meat is high quality protein, but it is also high in cholesterol and saturated fat; whereas fish, chicken, turkey, and even pork are lower in saturated fat. Beans and nuts are also excellent sources of protein.

Dairy products are essential: According to Dr. Willett this is also not true. He insists that there is not a calcium crisis in the U.S. “In reality,” he says, “there are studies that suggest that too much calcium can increase a man's chances of getting prostate cancer or a woman getting ovarian cancer.”

Potatoes are good for you: This claim really sets Dr. Willett off, since studies have shown a baked potato to increase blood sugar levels and insulin faster and higher than an equal amount of calories from pure table sugar. One wonders which lucky souls got to be the center of that study!

Guidance on weight, exercise, alcohol, and vitamins are missing: According to Dr. Willett, a healthy diet without exercise is counter-productive, and he believes strongly that one daily alcoholic drink is a healthy choice. And vitamins, he states, are very important.



As far as it contributing to diabetes there are some direct correlations out there but I can not find the articles or research papers right now, they basically state that since the food pyramid was changed in the early 90's to say we need a million servings of carbs, that is when the diabetes epidemic has really took off.

drakedeming wrote:Diabetes and Obesity also stems from our food pyramid.

No one should be eating the amount of carbohydrates they suggest nor should anyone be eating more then one slice of bread a day to begin with. All it does is stores the carbs as fat and it is not easily accessible to process for the body.

No one should be eating the amount of starch they suggest, although a few slices of bread per day won't hurt you. The filler sugar is the real problem. But carbs aren't evil, as long as they're fiber carbs. You can eat all the green vegetables that you see and you will be fine. Broccoli is great. Raw celery is *negative* calories.

But yeah, the food pyramid is pseudo-science to protect our farmers.
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Redbeard wrote:Humans have eaten bread and grains (carbs) for thousands of years. The widespread obesity and diabetes problems in the US only started in the last thirty or so.

This is untrue. Humans are built as hunter-gatherer meat & veggies types. Bread is relatively new, going back to the early agrarian societies <10,000 years ago. Plentiful grains led to obesity, and this is documented for Egypt at least. In the US, things took off because we stopped working with our hands like farmers and moving with our feet.
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drakedeming wrote:Homo sapiens ("sapiens" is Latin for wise or intelligent) has lived from about 250,000 years ago to the present.

Bread and cooking grains that are inedible or poisenous raw has only been around for 10-12k years, our bodies have not had enough time to evolve to this. I am not saying eating bread and grains is bad, but in the amounts that we eat it is.

Yup.

drakedeming wrote:It is never genetics and is always diet and lack of exercise.

Yes, but pretending that diet and exercise simply exist in isolation is very wrong. It's useful to point at a fat person and say 'they are bad because they're fat', but it's absolutely useless if you want to help people get healthy.

Look, here's the thing, in December last year I did my ACL, and was laid up for long time. I didn't exercise much, cooked less and ordered junkfood more. I put on a few kgs. My knee is getting better, I'm able to exercise (not run much, but everything else) and I'm back to eating like I was before. The weight is coming off, but it isn't because I have some incredible discipline that other people lack, because I am really, really not disciplined. It's just that I'm returning to my regular routine.

It isn't that other people lack discipline. Some of my hardest working co-workers are quite fat. It's just that food takes on an important part in our lives and in our psychology, and when people are told that they just need to eat healthier without ever addressing why they eat like they did... they're doomed to failure.

Well, my LGS doesn't disappoint again. Walking in the gaming and painting room to go to the bathroom I was followed by a gamer so damn proud of this custom built chaos lord with a jet pack which was cut off from a jengo fett star wars action figure. Not only was the jetpack way to big it looked like an excited horse all over the damn thing from all the cheap superglue he used to attach it together. I stepped into the bathroom and he was still inside my three foot comfort zone so I quickly slammed the door. I hoped it hit him but he wasn't phased by it at all because I heard him hunt down another person inorder to show off this piece of .

Don't get me wrong, I encourage new people in the hobby or anyone for that fact to learn how to learn how to kit bash their own custom builds but for sake I know you are proud of it but let me see it on my own time and not stick that ing model into my face that still wet with cheap super glue fumes coming off it.

If you are new to kit bashing I don't mind looking at your stuff, your stuff might be awakward looking at first since most people don't know how not to over do the bashing yet but with trial and error you can get some really good stuff. But don't do what this d-bag at a tourny did. He ripped apart a Jabba the Hut action figure, spend 12 hours rolling 40 USD in GS rolling into long sausages,coilling them around some painting space marines, then pouring two jars of testors gloss red paint over it all calling it his Summoned Greater Daemon of Nurgle. While this is not bad, but to tell me point blank that it looks better than the FW Greater Daemon of Nurgle I was borrowing from a friend that is an expert painter. You d-bag my damn 5 year old niece can make sausages from play doh too and hers look like spilt entrails.

That damn model cost you next to nothing sinc eyou said that you found that Jabba action figure in a 2nd hand store. You can see where the model use to turn in waist and the tail would move. It is like I take a Cobra Commander figure, put him on a 40mm base and call him Abbaddon you stick! Not only that you based it on a a base that over 120mm big. God I hope you are reading, I didn't want to say this to your face because I would have gotten kicked out of the store but you said that you are an expert modeller but that POS makes you into a the biggest liar in the store and also you looked like you damn model you uber fat and ugly as ing sin.

Don't get me wrong, I am not mad at the game he played since it was a strong list and beat me fair and square but the first thing he does with god forsakened cross nerdery model was to jam the thing two inchs in front of my nose and go, "See him, he looks better than the FW Nurgle Greater Daemon." I know you are ing proud of your ing model but for sake you fat, ing nerd. I could have seen that damn thing better from three feet away on the table then jammed into my face.

Enough ranting on my . The moral of the lesson is kiddies is that if you are proud of a kit bash don't run around with it jamming it into people's faces. Three foot view of the model is better than a two inch view. People will not mind looking at your mini when they have time. Just keep on building and you will get better to the point where your minis will look like GW production quality. And for ing sake, do not say the model is better than a FW Model that was painted by an expert painter with your kit bash that is 90% star wars or another nerd fiction (i.e. star trek, dr who, ect...) and gakky GS work. You will be suprised on how many people will not allow you to place that ing piece of on the table if you continue to call it better than the other player's model to their face.

By the way here is a picture of the FW Greater Daemon model that I borrowed so you know that I am not just talking out of my . http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/6803-Bloated%2C%20Daemons%2C%20Forge%20World%2C%20Greater%20Daemon%2C%20Nurgle.html

Dude, you got way too much ing anger.

Mediocre rants from the mind of a gamer.

Fixed.

Seriously, seriously, seriously, damn. How high is that horse?


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Though it beats taking zoloft and talking to a therapist.

BrookM wrote:Mediocre rants from the mind of a gamer.

Fixed.

Seriously, seriously, seriously, damn. How high is that horse?


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Though it beats taking zoloft and talking to a therapist.

And cheaper too, ZING!

I've met enough of my fellow Missouri/Kansas Gamers to know that Pipbody is not exaggerating (well a teeny tad, but 95% of the time his observations are spot on). Sometimes when you live in the armpit of the gaming universe you cross some of "those" people.

@barlio: If those are my RL / FtF gaming options, I think I'd be playing a lot of MMO until I could get outta Dodge...

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Granted I've just got back into the game several months ago so I haven't reconnected with all of the guys in the area, but of the 40k gaming population in SW Missouri, SE Kansas, etc... I only play 10% of the 40k population on a regular basis. The other 90% are more like Pipboy's observations (maybe not as massive, but are "special").

And Pipboy is dealing with the KC crowd as well. I haven't played a lot of the Fantasy crew up there (I hear they are actually good guys, in general that is), but I have a certain 'meh' attitude over traveling to the SW or North for any 40k event.