Has anyone anywhere around the world heard anything pertaning to the blood angels, anything, I don't care if it's false hope. Just something to keep me going

Beloved?

I like them too, but...

Anyway, please remember to put a QUESTION MARK in the title of posts in which you don't know anything new, and are asking for information.

Believe me, it will save you a lot of grief in the future...

(I'll edit this one for you!)

thanxs, failry new to this, any news? please?

No

Bishop of the Blackrose wrote:thanxs, failry new to this, any news? please?

Further to my rant in the Space Wolves thread, in GW's eyes Blood Angels currently have a relatively new Codex (albeit a WD supplement), so don't expect them to be revisited in the near future. Just enjoy fielding Assault Squads as troops whilst you can

I heard somewhere that they had a new codex coming out in January. Then again, I have no idea how valid this rumor is.

My money's on "not very".

A buddy told me that everyone has a better time playing warhammer when there are lot of black, red and green marines on the tables at tournaments. I agree with him.

New codexes sooner than later please.

I heard that there might be a march realease of a codex with a new unit.Thought he may have been hammered.

There's been no confirmations of any release, so I'd pretty much ignore any of the supposed release date.

And every codex gets a new unit, so there's nothing new there either.

well, thank you all for the swift kick to the head for the realization that my Beloved Angels of Death are reduced to an article in WD. But I will soldier on for "The blood is the life, and we must live"...sorry ,got a little carried away

Brother SRM wrote:I heard somewhere that they had a new codex coming out in January. Then again, I have no idea how valid this rumor is.

My money's on "not very".

I would be amazed if we saw a new BA codex in January next year.

I would not be too surprised if we did see a Blood Angel codex on the shelfs next year. Eventually.

Don't hold your breath or start saving now though AFAIK.

Well, this is GW after all, so maybe you should start saving now.

Especially if it gets released after the 2010 Price Adjustment (r) (c) (tm).

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that they went as far as the WD codex. And there are some cool things in there but somehow it seems we are lacking in something. The spacedogs are getting there's, (officially, with a cover, pictures, fluff and new models for c****t sakes' ), and If I'm not mistaken we have been lacking one just as long as they have, flea infested mutts.

Haven't heard anything. I've been a Blood Angel player since I started gaming. I'd love for there to be a new codex, especially if it's along the vein of the White Dwarf list. I like that list.

Bishop of the Blackrose wrote:Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that they went as far as the WD codex. And there are some cool things in there but somehow it seems we are lacking in something. The spacedogs are getting there's, (officially, with a cover, pictures, fluff and new models for c****t sakes' ), and If I'm not mistaken we have been lacking one just as long as they have, flea infested mutts.

i don't appreciate that half assed WD "codex". it turned 90% of the units into more expensive vanilla units without giving them any real options. i would have preferred an updated FAQ like the wolves got that just added the new chaplain rules and drop pods but kept sanguinary high priests (i had 4 modelled in my case depending on what wargear i was going to give them) and furious charge. the army is still powerful now but all your eggs are in one death co basket. supposedly the BA were the guinea pigs to see if people would buy more models in conjunction with the release of a WD codex. from what i saw, the customer $ response was proportional to the half effort put towards releasing that "codex". the BA are not kislev or kroot mercenaries...

So true. Im still hoping that they get a new codex release when space hulk comes out. (IF that ever comes out)

Emrab wrote:So true. Im still hoping that they get a new codex release when space hulk comes out. (IF that ever comes out)

You mean September isn't coming?

The codex on sight is a 5th edition. it was edited.

I dont mind if it's a 5th edition rendition (hey that rhymed), but I do feel it made them into a vanilla army, On the space hulk thing, I spoke to the guys at GW in nyc and they said nothing was on the radar

Pretty much the rumor mongers are indicating that a BA codex WILL be out next year.

It was confirmed by two-or three very reliable sources at Warseer.

One recent GD, it was confirmed that SW,BA and Black Temps were all getting dexes in the next year by one of the designers.

warboss wrote:

i don't appreciate that half assed WD "codex". it turned 90% of the units into more expensive vanilla units without giving them any real options. i would have preferred an updated FAQ like the wolves got that just added the new chaplain rules and drop pods but kept sanguinary high priests (i had 4 modelled in my case depending on what wargear i was going to give them) and furious charge. the army is still powerful now but all your eggs are in one death co basket. supposedly the BA were the guinea pigs to see if people would buy more models in conjunction with the release of a WD codex. from what i saw, the customer $ response was proportional to the half effort put towards releasing that "codex". the BA are not kislev or kroot mercenaries...

AMEN

Mattlov wrote:

Emrab wrote:So true. Im still hoping that they get a new codex release when space hulk comes out. (IF that ever comes out)

You mean September isn't coming?

Haha yeah who know in this crazy year it might just go from Aug. to Oct. but in all honesty I have not really been following the whole space hulk thing. I've just remember mention of it a awhile back.


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Mattlov wrote:

Emrab wrote:So true. Im still hoping that they get a new codex release when space hulk comes out. (IF that ever comes out)

You mean September isn't coming?

haha yeah well who knows in this crazy year it might just go from being aug. to Oct. in reality I stopped following space hulk like at some point last month so I never saw the release time.

warboss wrote:
i don't appreciate that half assed WD "codex". it turned 90% of the units into more expensive vanilla units without giving them any real options. i would have preferred an updated FAQ like the wolves got that just added the new chaplain rules and drop pods but kept sanguinary high priests (i had 4 modelled in my case depending on what wargear i was going to give them) and furious charge. the army is still powerful now but all your eggs are in one death co basket. supposedly the BA were the guinea pigs to see if people would buy more models in conjunction with the release of a WD codex. from what i saw, the customer $ response was proportional to the half effort put towards releasing that "codex". the BA are not kislev or kroot mercenaries...

I still can't wrap my brain around how Lord Mephiston Master Librarian of The Blood Angles Chapters mastery of the Phychic oils down to d3 extra melee attacks, a jump pack, and -1 to an enemies attacks. Those are the three crapiest Psyker powers out there.

I now use the vanilla marine rules instead of that abomination.

I can't wait to revive my Blood Angels. Return to Glory.
I so unhappy with this situation I am playing with Eldar. I won't field a different SM chapter. I don't have a problem with Space Wolves but some thier players are so arrogant or whine too much that I just want to bitch slap them with a power fist.


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Dammit now I am being consumed by the Black Rage. I had buried all the emotins for my Blood Angels. I need a drink.

Oh, please.

Besides, BoLS says we're up for next year.

rzsanguine wrote:I don't have a problem with Space Wolves but some thier players are so arrogant or whine too much that I just want to bitch slap them with a power fist.

Hahaha!

rzsanguine wrote:I don't have a problem with Dark Eldar but some thier players are so arrogant or whine too much that I just want to bitch slap them with a power fist.

Fixed.

oh I wish, but I pray...I PRAY, that they keep assualt marines as troops. If not, well...life will have lost all meaning...

I hate to admit it, but I am getting excited over rumours of a new SW codex. I don't wanna collect them but...MORE PUPPEHS!!!

I think just to screw with my friends I'm going to field Blood Angels using the new Space Wolves rules when they come out.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I PRAY, that they keep assualt marines as troops.

I think that, at least, will be kept. The rest, who knows?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:I PRAY, that they keep assualt marines as troops.

I think that, at least, will be kept. The rest, who knows?

Well, hope they kick scouts back into troops at any rate. You can hold objectives with Assualt Marines, but not Scouts? Madness, I tell you, madness!

If I wanted craptastic Scouts as Troops, I'd play blue Marines.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If I wanted craptastic Scouts as Troops, I'd play blue Marines.

Thank you for those kind words, John

JohnHwangDD wrote:If I wanted craptastic Scouts as Troops, I'd play blue Marines.

QFT

You just pray that they ain't going back to that cesspool that was 3rd Ed BA.
And pray that assault marines change back to Fast.
Where they rightfully belong.

For Sanguinius Lord and Master

Does no one else feel the plight of Lord Mephiston ?

The man used to blow stuff up by looking at it and carve tanks in half with his sword, and now he's like a space marine with a power sword and jump pack and d3 extra attacks. King Leonidas would call him a pussy and kick him into the bottomless pit while yelling about SPARTA !!

I don't field him, so meh, let him sit in the well.

Although they did take sompower away, together with an HG including a company banner, Memphiston will wipe anything of the field, including puppies

Yes that is crazy Flashman

Bla_Ze wrote:You just pray that they ain't going back to that cesspool that was 3rd Ed BA.
And pray that assault marines change back to Fast.
Where they rightfully belong.

For Sanguinius Lord and Master

did you think that the real BA solo codex was bad? i can't tell if you're serious or sarcastic (the internet tends to blend the two together). the BA 3rd edition codex was 2nd only to the SW in chee.. i mean flavor when it came out. the current white dwarf one is a crime against augmented humanity with one of the only good things about it being the assault marines being troops.

Flashman wrote:
Well, hope they kick scouts back into troops at any rate. You can hold objectives with Assualt Marines, but not Scouts? Madness, I tell you, madness!

That's cause Scouts are Scouts, but Assault Marines have freakin' jetpacks.
Though I agree, I always hate that at least for SM in general, regular Marines are the only objective holders.

adamsouza wrote:Does no one else feel the plight of Lord Mephiston ?

The man used to blow stuff up by looking at it and carve tanks in half with his sword, and now he's like a space marine with a power sword and jump pack and d3 extra attacks. King Leonidas would call him a pussy and kick him into the bottomless pit while yelling about SPARTA !!

You sir, are insane. He's got a better statline then just about any marine character across the board and all 3 of his powers help him excel in getting to, and then fighting in, close combat. Assuming he gets Might of Heroes off (which is likely), he gets between 7-10 S6 WS6 Attacks striking at I7 (thanks to furious charge), and its pretty likely that he can get the assault since he can move like he has a jump pack.

His transfixing gaze means that any models that he doesn't kill that are in base contact get -1 Attacks (and there is no minimum listed, so if the enemy normally only gets 1 attack it won't even be striking). AND he gets to keep using the transfixing gaze and Might of Heroes on the opponent's turn if he ends up getting locked in combat!

His one weakness is that he doesn't have an invulnerable save, so you do have to be picky with what enemy units you charge (as his 'Feel No Pain' doesn't protect him from power weapons either), but in general he can easily take out a small, pricey elite unit in a round or two of combat by himself and with 7-10 S6 attacks on the charge he's even pretty solid for tearing through any vehicle besides a Land Raider.

Mephiston is one of the better CC characters in the game IMHO.

You Sir Yakface, are correct. The Lord of Death is a pretty formidable character in CC. And don't forget, Blood Angels can now use heavy weapons. We now have the restraint to stand back and blow
up with lascannons, rocket launchers, and heavy plasmas, in fact, every one of my tac squads employs a missle launcher. "Thanks Memphiston, for showing us that we too can control the black rage within us".

warboss wrote:

Bla_Ze wrote:You just pray that they ain't going back to that cesspool that was 3rd Ed BA.
And pray that assault marines change back to Fast.
Where they rightfully belong.

For Sanguinius Lord and Master

did you think that the real BA solo codex was bad? i can't tell if you're serious or sarcastic (the internet tends to blend the two together). the BA 3rd edition codex was 2nd only to the SW in chee.. i mean flavor when it came out. the current white dwarf one is a crime against augmented humanity with one of the only good things about it being the assault marines being troops.

Space marines that can't restrain thenselves enough to shoot heavy weapons? What crackpot came up with that idea? We're talking about Astartes here.
Sure they get a 'lil angry in close quarters, but still its a long way to the stupid rules in 3rd Ed.

somehow i rarely lost a game when using them! i'm good but not that good! in all seriousness, the black rage running forward was their BIG balancing factor to counter all their positive traits (and the reason i argued with the local wolves player that his codex was cheesier!). it was also one that wasn't too hard to get around with smart unit selection. i had a dev squad with plasma cannons that i used to field in larger games only because (like you said) they're astartes and should have a squad like that in a company.

other than that, all my "heavies" were ones that weren't much affected by the rule. i usually ran 1-2 dreads with a lascannon and missle launcher loadout each and 3 multimelta attack bikes if i needed some heavy weapon goodness. also vehicles tended to die quickly to those hidden death co powerfists. *remembering fondly* ah yes, the good old days when "advancing" to vet sergeant meant you were one to two games away from losing your mind and going to the death co...

Well said Yak, I enjoy playing Meph when I can afford to fit him in points wise. He is a beast in close combat and due to his 5 toughness and 6 weapon skill makes him likely to survive even powerfist/klaws fairly reliably for at least a turn of combat. Unfortunately I must echo the concern of no invulnerable save; especially in my area where Lysander and his look-a-likes are prevalent. That strength 10 can insta kill Meph, and Lysanders great invuln save and eternal warrior makes it unlikely Meph will have a much of a chance.

Though I may get flamed for this, when the new marine codex came out BA lost a lot of their unique units; in that the new marines have ironclad (better armor than furioso, but at least we kept the extra attacks with DC for it) for example. Even their drop pods dropped in points. So when I heard (indirectly of course) that Jervis mentioned that they were working on a new BA codex I was excited for my angels. If it is because of the new space hulk coming out, then all the better.

Keep you fingers crossed. I like the Zim avatar.

Mephiston was awesome in 4th edition but not as strong in 5th edition due to the change to FNP. Dante and Corbulo combined are a better choice. Also I don't think the Lord of Death has furious charge built into his rules so you need Corbulo closeby to give him that oomph.

You would figure with all the attention us vampires are getting that GW would jump on the band wagon, we even have a true to life "True Blood" drink coming out this september. I guess the death company could finally chill out, sit back, and have a drink. But seriously, we are a first founding army, our primarch died fighting Horus when every one else was figiting with their GPS as to where he was (he never was one to hide, Horus that is). We are the longest lived of all astartes, we are . please don't get me started. Another thing, I understand we dont adhere to the normal marine codex, in the sense that we have Honor Guards instead of a command squad, but why dont we have the option of giving them terminator armour like every one else can. Are we allowed to use the new gun platform that comes with the new tech priest. It's not listed, and neither is the varients of land raiders. Is there an official FAQ from GW for the "True Angels of Death" that would allow us so options

That made no sense.. are you drunk?

Bla_Ze wrote:That made no sense.. are you drunk?

Drunk on the blood of all those who have fallen to me and are now respectfully and proudly called victim, like Duke Nukem look alikes.

Well moving away from what that was, it seems BA were mentioned to be on some sort of list of "TO DOs" at the recent Gamesday and the estimations early on in the thread of sometime 2010 seem plausable, and likely to be befor Dark Angels. Im willing to bet end of 2010 early 2011 and before Dark Eldar. I have nearly 13 000 pts I'd rather field as plain marines allied with blood angels until then. I love scouts and hate the lack of sniper rifles, and troop slots. The pour tank options and wargear is depressing and the removal of sanguinary priests is more then agrivating. I would be fine not getting any new units if that meant getting a codex and models. Plastic furioso arm, Baal Pred tank upgrade bits, throw in some shoulder pads, heads/masks, maybe something unexpected all onto one frame like Dangles and Id be happy heheh I know thats more then just a little bit but its not really as much as a whole revamp and release just extras and completion of the codex cause as it stands its more like a 1st draft.

tcraigen wrote:Well moving away from what that was, it seems BA were mentioned to be on some sort of list of "TO DOs" at the recent Gamesday and the estimations early on in the thread of sometime 2010 seem plausable, and likely to be befor Dark Angels. Im willing to bet end of 2010 early 2011 and before Dark Eldar. I have nearly 13 000 pts I'd rather field as plain marines allied with blood angels until then. I love scouts and hate the lack of sniper rifles, and troop slots. The pour tank options and wargear is depressing and the removal of sanguinary priests is more then agrivating. I would be fine not getting any new units if that meant getting a codex and models. Plastic furioso arm, Baal Pred tank upgrade bits, throw in some shoulder pads, heads/masks, maybe something unexpected all onto one frame like Dangles and Id be happy heheh I know thats more then just a little bit but its not really as much as a whole revamp and release just extras and completion of the codex cause as it stands its more like a 1st draft.

Thanks, good info. Now a question. Is it possible to field a plain space marine army and ally them with some specific Blood angel units like the Death company and special characters like memphiston?

No it is not

yeah I just field two seperate forces I have enough to do that and with friends they're cool with 2 1000pt armies and so on. Our reasoning is if Daemon/witch hunters can do it why consider its a chaplains force and a more codex commander's force allieing together to strike an ork target. I dont mix and match what I want just make two entirely independent themed armies.
For example the Chaplain would likely field with a Jet pack and Dc the same way, throw in 2 troop ass troops, maybe a squad of speeders and what ever I deem Agressive and can afford; like a furioso maybe. Then the Codex captain would likely have full tactical squads with rhinos, scout squad with sniper rifles, and either a landraider or a preditor.
None of this is street legal heheh but within character of your theme and intent friends likely will understand. Then again they may not.

tcraigen wrote:yeah I just field two seperate forces I have enough to do that and with friends they're cool with 2 1000pt armies and so on. Our reasoning is if Daemon/witch hunters can do it why consider its a chaplains force and a more codex commander's force allieing together to strike an ork target. I dont mix and match what I want just make two entirely independent themed armies.
For example the Chaplain would likely field with a Jet pack and Dc the same way, throw in 2 troop ass troops, maybe a squad of speeders and what ever I deem Agressive and can afford; like a furioso maybe. Then the Codex captain would likely have full tactical squads with rhinos, scout squad with sniper rifles, and either a landraider or a preditor.
None of this is street legal heheh but within character of your theme and intent friends likely will understand. Then again they may not.

thanks for the info, so if I'm playing a 3000 point army, I can split them into to 1500, using one half of blood angels and the other of ally troops as codex space marines?

thanks for the info, so if I'm playing a 3000 point army, I can split them into to 1500, using one half of blood angels and the other of ally troops as codex space marines?

Strictly speaking, no, you cannot combine two codexes into one army. However with your opponents permission you can do whatever you want.

If you showed up to a tourny with a list composed of half BA and half vanilla Marines you'd be laughed out of there.

rzsanguine wrote:Keep you fingers crossed. I like the Zim avatar.

Thanks!

And this bit from BOLS may be good news for us BA but who knows: "Space Wolves will supposedly be “even less Codex Astartes” than they were before. "

That may mean when they do finally release another codex for BA we may get back more of our unique feel that we used to have.

In 2E, the BA Codex stated that they BA were adherents to the Codex Astartes, their primary defining characteristic was that their armor was red.

As far as "unique" goes, there wasn't much aside from the 2 DNCCW Dread, Baal Pred and Death Company.

I think thats all "we" need.
In my oppinion BA aint supposed to be some undisciplined bunch of ragheads.

Am i the only one pinching for normal?

JohnHwangDD wrote:In 2E, the BA Codex stated that they BA were adherents to the Codex Astartes, their primary defining characteristic was that their armor was red.

As far as "unique" goes, there wasn't much aside from the 2 DNCCW Dread, Baal Pred and Death Company.

Well there also was the charcters that set them apart. If your really want to get technical way back at theyre creation there were just red and the wings on their pads looked more akin to bat wings then feathers. Like all the codexs they evolve with time. BA have adopted an agression and close combat obsession. It has been stated that they stick to the structure of the codex astartes very strictly, this is so they do not draw attention from outside investigation. Flaws in their gene seed and the wisper of corruption could lead to them being in big trouble with the Inquisition. They hide their secrets and fight to impress. In older editions the fluff would talk about the hiberations they would go into where they're blood would be cycled and cleaned and what not, possibly leading to longer then average life lengths. Dante him self is said to be 1000 which I would consider to be "unique". The long life was said to be a reason for the Blood Angels mastery of the arts, and all they do. They would work hard to better them selves and this made for the perfect counter to Black rage. A degenerative rage that caused you to want to do nothing less then consume your enemy in close combat? The loss of ones identity and control is made that much worse when you have lived a heroic 500 year long life in which you became an artisan and soldier. That seems rather unique to me. While the salamanders create beautiful works of art with their armour and weapons, they dont fear the possiblity of turning into a slobbery rabid dog. Blood Angels are just as unique as the Dark Angels and the Templars, only difference is they haven't had the time spent on them like the other two to develope something representative and "unique" to match. Once apon a time there was the "Angels of Death" book and aside from paint jobs characters and a couple weapons DA and BA were almost the same "Force". If your going to do someting do it right, dont leave as a download.

I like BA to be disciplined, with Assault Marine Troops as their differentiator from Blue Scouts vs. Dark Termies & Bikes.

I don't like it.., BA includes 2 assault squads per battle company just like almost everyone else..
Why change? I just dont get it.

If I wanted to play 2 Assault squads per company, I'd play blue marines.

Perhaps GW should simply kill the BA Codex for you?

Well then your just gonna have to bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
Becuase BA has two squads per battle company and thats that

Not any more, they don't.

Bla_Ze wrote:Well then your just gonna have to bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
Becuase BA has two squads per battle company and thats that

Never seen a BA Company Organisation Chart. Seen the Smurfs one plently of times, but there is no reason that the BA would follow it and in fact every reason (the Red Thirst, Death Company) that they wouldn't.

Bla_Ze wrote:Well then your just gonna have to bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
Becuase BA has two squads per battle company and thats that

RULE #1 ALERT.

Seriously, follow it.

Flashman wrote:

Bla_Ze wrote:Well then your just gonna have to bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
Becuase BA has two squads per battle company and thats that

Never seen a BA Company Organisation Chart. Seen the Smurfs one plently of times, but there is no reason that the BA would follow it and in fact every reason (the Red Thirst, Death Company) that they wouldn't.

EXACTLY.

Not that im trying to be rude. But why post if you have no idea? Anyway there is one, and i have it.

And the only major differance with a pure codex chapter is the addition of a 11th company.
(Death company)

Edit: My bad, the DC company is not a formal company but a ad-hoc formation. so calling it 11th company is incorrect.

Bla_Ze wrote:Not that im trying to be rude. But why post if you have no idea? Anyway there is one, and i have it.

And the only major differance with a pure codex chapter is the addition of a 11th company.
(Death company)

Happy to stand corrected. Was it in the 3rd Edition Codex? Because I didn't get that one.

It was in the 2ed "Angels of Death" book. (my Favorite by the way) Not sure if there was anything in the 3ed one.

Ah 2nd Edition... happy days

Getting back on topic...

BA and DA complement each other quite well and we all hate the 4th Ed Dark Angels Codex, so why not have another stab at Angels of Death?

If they wanted a "For Profit" reason, it would give the Dark Angel Vets kit another boost.

Blood Angels have a very unique chapter and are as unique as Space Wolves. I like the current PDF codex. Here are all the unique units only available to Blood Angels:

++HQ++
Dante
Corbulo
Lemartes
Honorguard

++Elites++
Furisio dreadnaught, Death Company & Venerable upgrades
Death Company
Veteran Assault Squad

++Heavy Support++
Baal predator

Rhinos and the Baal predator come with overcharged engines built in.

To say this army is under the category of astartes is just plain wrong.

Blood Angels is a unique flavor indeed (some pun intended)
Thats why i fell in love with the army, and i still am.

Now it seems alot of you are mostly intrested in the gameplay aspect. I could care less, for me its all about the fluff.

No doubt about it, BA is indeed a codex chapter.
And i think it would be sad to break away from that.

Great, go play your boring blue marines painted red, and leave us guys with lots of JP infantry alone.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Great, go play your boring blue marines painted red, and leave us guys with lots of JP infantry alone.

Why are you so insistent that they arnt and astartes army, He is right they are organised like everyone almost everyone else. In both codexes that have been sold they've shown the break down like the normal space marine chapter one. They make take assault marine choices as troops to show how BA are more likely to make them part of standard mission deployment. If you happen to field more then two, just paint up the others as reserve company markings. Any of the Vets are from the 1st company, and so if you actually field a 9 squad force thats actually still within astartes force line ups. You could be Tycho's third fielding your two squads a loaned squad from say the 2nd company, Dante has issued you three vetran squads from the first and 3 more from the reserve 8th throw in a basic jump comander with honour guard and a chaplain and Death company all with the jump packs and your fully mobile.
But if you wanted to field 4 tact and two assault guess what you still have three slots open for fast attack speeders or bikes. I love playing with lots of infantry and his choice to like the similar set up as a strict astartes if ligit thats why they give you the options. I until the scouts got nutered used to field 30 of them as troops and then tool up my Amarines this actually was very effective because alot of effort then is put into killing 2 Vet ass squad and a ten man honour guard. That let the scouts cause alot of damage. Sadly that codex was turned into this new one and while I understand the downsizing of the honourguards abilities and trying again to get DC working better, the scouts thing is just dumb. In the end I look at it like each company captain has his own tastes to the way he fields his troops and plans for a mission. Thats the point of having your own army, its yours do as you will. If you really need to make your own reasoning to why your force is the way it is, good on you. If you want to do the blandest army of tactical bolters and devistators you can. Dont argue composition choices thats idividual preference.

Oh and I this is the original layout in armies of death


I dont have a digital copy of the next version but I think it had even more detail. Ive seen it more then once, I think even the CODEX ASTARTES issues had one printed up, and I cant remember if the armageddon codex ever had a force statement of the BA but you get the picture.

I have Angels of Death, along with C: BA so I'm aware of their old history.

However, making BA into red blue marines with only a Fluff difference is pointless. OTOH, if blue Marines had a Trait that allowed for JP Troops, then I'd be glad to play as red blue marines and not bother with BA at all.

In that case, BA can be Squatted, removing an unnecessary MEQ Codex, and unnecessary SM Codex and allowing for something truly flavorful like LatD or AdMech.

If that happens, that'll make BA my 4th dead army, starting with DE, then DoW, then Kroot, and next BA.

Go me!

BA = KEWL!!!

In thier dex (I think) it actually says thier thirst for combat is so great they have a lot more assualt marinz squads than usual, and that they super-charge thier vehichles to get into close combat/front lines quicker.

Bla_Ze wrote:And the only major differance with a pure codex chapter is the addition of a 11th company.
(Death company)

There is no 11th company.

DC are not a permanent unit, assembled like any other. The amount of BA that fall to the Black Rage is an unknown amount, thus a temporary squad is assembled shortly before battle when the signs of the BR appear. Those that are unfortunate enough to survive the battle are locked up in, "The tower of the Lost", their fate unknown.

There is absolutely NO reason why BA should not have an altered force organization, since they do not follow the treaties of Roboute Guilliman. Might as well yell at the White Scars for taking too many bikes if you follow that logic. You can point to old organization charts all you want, but realize that all the units had Furious Charge. FC is now, suddenly, gone so BA are being reconcepted on how they are specializing in assault (something they've always been).

So, trade furious charge for assault squad as troops. Whether that stays or goes is unknown. I'd like to know where the Sanguinary High Priests went off to- they all magically disappeared.

Hopes:

Assaults stay troop.
Scouts become troop. (why the feth elites?)
the death comp. dread option stays.
fix the points on everything, most things if not all are more expensive
make DC a solid elite and remove the single unit limit
give DC back a power fist or some decent options (rending is nice though)


havent heard any news atall, which is a shame since they are the only marine army i like (other than legion of the damned)

JD21290 wrote:Hopes:

Scouts become troop. (why the feth elites?)
the death comp. dread option stays.
fix the points on everything, most things if not all are more expensive

I agree, there is no reason that raw recruits should be placed in "elites". "Hi! I'm a Terminator! And I'm a scout..." Huh. Yea... The only elite scouts are part of the Space Wolves, and those are full fledged marines.

And agreed again on the pricing. Many options are WAY too expensive to be worth it. 15pts a plasma pistol? HA HA!

In DA and BA, Scouts aren't recruits. They're full Marines.

Check their stats, if you don't believe me.

In UM, Scouts have lower stats, because they're less-experienced.

JohnHwangDD wrote:In DA and BA, Scouts aren't recruits. They're full Marines.

Check their stats, if you don't believe me.

In UM, Scouts have lower stats, because they're less-experienced.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's that simple.

DA/BA were holdouts of the older marine codex where ALL scouts had the higher stat line. UM changed/reconcepted many things about marines such as getting free ML/flamers for 10 man squads, weaker scouts, etc. It will be very interesting to see what they do with the other chapters now that weaker scouts exist in the 40k. I foresee the other chapters getting weaker scouts (those that are NOT full marines) being moved to troops, while full marines that take on an infiltrating roll will be elites. However, there should be a clear distinction between the two.

Moopy wrote:

Bla_Ze wrote:And the only major differance with a pure codex chapter is the addition of a 11th company.
(Death company)
Edit: My bad, the DC company is not a formal company but a ad-hoc formation. so calling it 11th company is incorrect.

There is no 11th company.

DC are not a permanent unit, assembled like any other. The amount of BA that fall to the Black Rage is an unknown amount, thus a temporary squad is assembled shortly before battle when the signs of the BR appear. Those that are unfortunate enough to survive the battle are locked up in, "The tower of the Lost", their fate unknown.

There is absolutely NO reason why BA should not have an altered force organization, since they do not follow the treaties of Roboute Guilliman. Might as well yell at the White Scars for taking too many bikes if you follow that logic. You can point to old organization charts all you want, but realize that all the units had Furious Charge. FC is now, suddenly, gone so BA are being reconcepted on how they are specializing in assault (something they've always been).

So, trade furious charge for assault squad as troops. Whether that stays or goes is unknown. I'd like to know where the Sanguinary High Priests went off to- they all magically disappeared.

If you are gonna right me, please read MY post and not a quote so you actually see what it says.
And im sorry Proud astartes would NEVER change their ancient chapter traditions just like that. So how about NO?

I was talking to a black shirt last weekend and he told me that the next few codexes are going to be marine updates. BA being one of them.

Bla_Ze wrote:

If you are gonna right me, please read MY post and not a quote so you actually see what it says.

Considering I quoted you, yes, I did read it. Then again people who are wrong footed retort dismissively with, "You didn't read my post!"

Unless you go back and change the original post, then I'm not responsible for revisionist history.

Considering i edited my post 2009/07/31 20:33:46
and you "quoted" it 2009/08/01 23:33:09.
You should have had enough time seeing the edit.

But to claim i backtracked after being righted by you?
What a joke.

Riiiiiiggghhtt... of course it must be like that. OF COURSE IT MUST!

You posted
I responded
You changed

That's the end of it.

Warseer is that way. =====>

Bye.

I see you didin't actually read both out posts. Since they both say when posted and edited. Its proof enough.
Hence your first mistake.

My First post 2009/07/31 20:15:42
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/07/31 20:33:46

Your First post: 2009/08/01 23:33:09

Since this is what 27 hours later if im not mistaken, how could i have changed my post?

Edit: Sorry guys for hogging the thread

Yes.. you are mistaken, and your Appeal to Pity (Fallacy) is pretty transparent. Obviously our stamps are not set the same. When I read your post it was before you edited it. Do I go about changing peoples posts to misquote them? Take look in my past post history. Find none? Oh... my my my.

Why you can't accept that is beyond me. : /

Anyways this has gotten to the point of retardation. If someone posts something about BA I'd like to talk about then I'll pick it up there.

never mind.

Moopy wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:In DA and BA, Scouts aren't recruits. They're full Marines.

In UM, Scouts have lower stats, because they're less-experienced.

DA/BA were holdouts of the older marine codex where ALL scouts had the higher stat line. UM changed/reconcepted many things about marines such as getting free ML/flamers for 10 man squads, weaker scouts, etc.

It will be very interesting to see what they do with the other chapters now that weaker scouts exist in the 40k. I foresee the other chapters getting weaker scouts (those that are NOT full marines) being moved to troops, while full marines that take on an infiltrating roll will be elites. However, there should be a clear distinction between the two.

Actually, UM reverted scouts to the lower stats from RT / 2E, which is more appropriate for a Troops pick.

On a point-for-point value basis, full-stat Scouts with there USRs are unquestionably better than regular Tacticals. That is why Scouts need to be non-Scoring or else lower stats.

I expect that we'll see BT scouts drop stats as they are taken as part of Troops, and possibly SW as well. DA and BA will probably keep the higher stats because they have doublewing and AM as Troops.

quadro28 wrote:I was talking to a black shirt last weekend and he told me that the next few codexes are going to be marine updates. BA being one of them.

now that's what i like to hear, thanxs dude you made my day

Bishop of the Blackrose wrote:

quadro28 wrote:I was talking to a black shirt last weekend and he told me that the next few codexes are going to be marine updates. BA being one of them.

now that's what i like to hear, thanxs dude you made my day

Happy to help.
The only sad thing is that I was looking forward to the new DE, but the same guy told me that DE shouldn't be out until the end of 2010 because they are completely revamping their mini line.
But who am I to complain. Space marines sell so thats who gets the update. lol

Bishop of the Blackrose wrote:

quadro28 wrote:I was talking to a black shirt last weekend and he told me that the next few codexes are going to be marine updates. BA being one of them.

now that's what i like to hear, thanxs dude you made my day

Seconded, thats nice to hear others give similar reports.
I have almost given up on this thread due to all the nonsense.

I hope I am not hitting a wasps nest by this. Blood Angels players seem to be constantly complaining about having received an update for fifth edition, and expect they deserve a second fifth edition update before the other third edition armies get anything (three updates before Dark Eldar, because Games Workshop hates them!). Sorry, but that is how it looks to the rest of us. Was the update really that bad? In this thread, people are complaining that it made you Codex. You were Codex before, as far as I could tell. Please, do correct me if I am wrong, but did you not only lose Furious Charge, have Death Company simplified and gain Assault Marines as Troops? To what I can tell, everything else is the same, just updated. If I am right, what is the big deal? If I am wrong, please do explain it to me so I can understand.

I play BA, and while the current codex is far from perfect and has the inconsistencies of all the other variant SM codices it's honestly not so bad. It certainly needs to be proofed and edited, but sadly that will never happen.

In short I play BA and I'd rather see them update the older books before they bothered with ours.

Elric: I think the update REALLY is that bad.

But then again i dont think we should get a new codex before anyone else.

Even though I love all space marines with all my heart I think its a little messed up that they get all the updates first, but then again we must consider why GW is updating marines first, then realize that its not really their fault. Its our fault for purchasing the marines and making them so popular(I know they cram marines down everyone's throats, but we fall for it ).
I personally think the nid codex needs an update. Their codex is the only one I've read that has 100% useless upgrades for their troops simply because it isn't in the rules anymore.(I've read most, but not all of them.)
I'm excited for the new DE, but I realize that GW is making a good decision by taking their time and redoing the whole mini line. They should be cool when they come out.

Jus a few thoughts of mine.

@Elric: It's no more tiresome than DE players whining about how their partial update "doesn't count".

Personally, I like the BA WD Codex as a free, touranment-legal preview of the actual Codex, and am OK that it's hopefully going to be a more couple years before I need to shell out $25+ on a new Codex.

I am also constantly perplexed why people with otherwise competitive Codices keep clamoring for changes, when GW history shows that Codices get changed but generally not for the benefit of the player.

@Neconilis: That's very nice of you, but for those more selfish BA playas (like me) what do you want? (Apart from Scouts as troops)

Personally, I agree with Neconilis, and it works well enough as it is.

Bla_Ze wrote:Elric: I think the update REALLY is that bad

I had a vague sense that you may have been moderately disappointed in it before you made that post, but you have still not said why. Did they turn your Crimson Marines into Vermilion Marines? Does getting Assault Marines as Troops ruin your day? Is it just because all the cool kids hate it? I am not seeing the why and am curious, because Blood Angels players come across as the most vocal whiners on the Internet. I am looking to give you guys the benefit of the doubt and learn just what is so bad about the current situation, but I am not getting it yet.

Elric of Grans wrote:

Bla_Ze wrote:Elric: I think the update REALLY is that bad

I had a vague sense that you may have been moderately disappointed in it before you made that post, but you have still not said why. Did they turn your Crimson Marines into Vermilion Marines? Does getting Assault Marines as Troops ruin your day? Is it just because all the cool kids hate it? I am not seeing the why and am curious, because Blood Angels players come across as the most vocal whiners on the Internet. I am looking to give you guys the benefit of the doubt and learn just what is so bad about the current situation, but I am not getting it yet.

how about the 3 painted (terminator, jump pack, and on foot) sanguinary high priests that i have painted that i can't use? (because stupid corbulo has a chainsword and my reg infantry one has a PW) how about machine spirit on land raiders and drop pods that is BS2? did BA somehow forget to enable Windows Update on their machinery's operating system? granted that's because the 4th ed codex version was BS2 also but the web codex was supposedly "updated" to 5th edition according to the stamp on the cover. how about tactical squad marines that cost more than regular codex ones yet are actually WORSE because they don't have combat tactics? (i'm counting the cost of additional marines to the squad since the first batch of 5 is artificially inflated to include the "free" death co guy you get) those are just a few nuggets from the top of my head that could have easily been fixed when the codex was "updated". the codex is still powerful but you put all your eggs in one death co flavored basket. prior, the whole army had a disadvantage but also an advantage. just like the chaos codex, the power wasn't too much reduced just the flavor.

So... not as bad as everyone makes it out to be then? Get back in line behind Necron, Dark Eldar, Sisters, Grey Knights, Tyranids, Tau, Ad Mech, Lost and the Damned, etc, etc, etc.

I actually do not know why people keep complaining.
Whinging is not gonna do anything (cept whinging to GW) just get on with it, make the best of it, and most of all REVEL IN THE BLACK RAGE!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Elric of Grans wrote:So... not as bad as everyone makes it out to be then? Get back in line behind Necron, Dark Eldar, Sisters, Grey Knights, Tyranids, Tau, Ad Mech, Lost and the Damned, etc, etc, etc.

Pretty much. Like I said before, what the codex needs most is for it not to look like a draft, the rules for better or worse are certainly playable all around. Other codices certainly are older and more in need of an update. Besides, even if I don't play anything else seeing the new stuff for other factions is always interesting.

That being said, I really don't know why you feel that BA players are the most outspoken in regards to complaints and whining. There certainly are some, every faction has that, but never once felt we were the worse. At least in this particular community. Though the faction who I feel are the worse do also wear power armor.

I am sick and tired of EVRY faction whinging for a spanking new codex. Even the Space Marine, IG, AND eldar. And they just came out!

No question, everyone complains about the Games Workshop policy regarding army updates. I read many fora and the Blood Angels players seem to stand out to me. Probably because you have the Dark Eldar players moving into the seventh Kübler-Ross stage, Necron players have returned to their Tomb Worlds, and no one listens to Eldar players anyway (sure, we get it, you hate Bright Lances --- the rest of us will gladly take them off you!), then you have Blood Angels players constantly stating that they deserve an second fifth edition update more than any third edition army deserves a first. This makes them stand out.

..wierd. I wuv them just the way they are. *cuddle*

warboss wrote:

how about the 3 painted (terminator, jump pack, and on foot) sanguinary high priests that i have painted that i can't use? (because stupid corbulo has a chainsword and my reg infantry one has a PW) how about machine spirit on land raiders and drop pods that is BS2? did BA somehow forget to enable Windows Update on their machinery's operating system? granted that's because the 4th ed codex version was BS2 also but the web codex was supposedly "updated" to 5th edition according to the stamp on the cover. how about tactical squad marines that cost more than regular codex ones yet are actually WORSE because they don't have combat tactics? (i'm counting the cost of additional marines to the squad since the first batch of 5 is artificially inflated to include the "free" death co guy you get) those are just a few nuggets from the top of my head that could have easily been fixed when the codex was "updated". the codex is still powerful but you put all your eggs in one death co flavored basket. prior, the whole army had a disadvantage but also an advantage. just like the chaos codex, the power wasn't too much reduced just the flavor.

Not only that but it made the army really inflexible.

Because you buy your squads in Either 5 or 10 man you are stuck with large blocks of points. Happen to 10pts over? Well, instead of being able to drop out one marine and solve the problem, you have to either sacrifice half a squad or take something you didn't want. yea... that's fun.

Squads had their options cut out. Hope you like A B or C (and C is over priced) because that's all you can field. Every unit looks like very other unit because there are only a few choices. Orks? Lots of options. REGULAR marines? LOTS of options. But, for some reason BA lost track of most of their inventory. Huh!

Sanguinary High Priests all took a holiday. Why? Dunno. Regular SPs are still around in the over priced honor squads.

So, to sum it up: Inflexable and bland- If I wanted to play an army like that I'd play Necrons. DA could same the exact same thing.

This wasn't a codex, it was a test run.

I don't see the current BA as bad at all.

The 5/10 man thing is fine, and less restrictive than 2E. VAS have points flexiblity, and are awesome. But they're SM, so they're supposed to be pretty rigid.

Squad options are priced the new way, and the options are pretty much normal.

SHPs never should have been available aside from Corbulo, so that's a good Fluff-based correction.

It's a solid Codex that corrects all of the excesses of the 3E Codex. If some armies have their wings clipped a bit, too bad. That happens with every new Codex, so suck it up.

After reading all yuz guyz responses, I now kinda feel that the WD codex isn't that bad. Although I would like the option of taking Sanguinary Priest, aside from that, I think it's pretty competitive. I would still like an official looking codex, I guess I miss the codex being jam packed of fluff and background stories like the "Angels of Death" book was. All in all, Blood Angels will kick a$$ no matter what their codex has.
And to "Emperor's Faithfull" yes my friend, we should all REVEL IN THE BLACK RAGE!!!!!!!!!!

Emperors Faithful wrote:I actually do not know why people keep complaining.
Whinging is not gonna do anything (cept whinging to GW) just get on with it, make the best of it, and most of all REVEL IN THE BLACK RAGE!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Emperors Faithful wrote:I am sick and tired of EVRY faction whinging for a spanking new codex. Even the Space Marine, IG, AND eldar. And they just came out!

lol, at least you're consistent! btw, i'm whining, not whinging!

Elric of Grans wrote:then you have Blood Angels players constantly stating that they deserve an second fifth edition update more than any third edition army deserves a first. This makes them stand out.

i never said that. i agree others (like the dark eldar) deserve a codex before the blood angels do. honestly, i'd prefer if there was a standard marines book with smaller chapters represented and a second one with the founding chapters. i personally don't think that DA, SW, BT, etc deserve their own book if none of the chaos legions do. GW thinks otherwise so the least they could do is put forth a real effort. supposedly the WD "codex" was a test bed to see if they could get the sales $$ bump from a mini dex similar to what happens with a real one and new releases. well, they were repaid for their half effort with lackluster sales. btw, what was the difference between the 4th edition release of the articles and the 5th edition "update"? i lost my WDs from that era but i can't recall any differences. if there wasn't any real difference between the two other than the FAQ tacked on the end, then it's not a 5th edition codex any more than the dark eldar's.

Moopy wrote:Not only that but it made the army really inflexible.

Because you buy your squads in Either 5 or 10 man you are stuck with large blocks of points. Happen to 10pts over? Well, instead of being able to drop out one marine and solve the problem, you have to either sacrifice half a squad or take something you didn't want. yea... that's fun.
****snip****
So, to sum it up: Inflexable and bland- If I wanted to play an army like that I'd play Necrons. DA could same the exact same thing.

This wasn't a codex, it was a test run.

agreed, very bland. i don't mind the 5 or 10 man squad thing since it's fluffy and because they're generally moving towards that in all the MEQ codices (chaos and 5th ed marines have the same)

JohnHwangDD wrote:
SHPs never should have been available aside from Corbulo, so that's a good Fluff-based correction.

why, oh perpetually testy loremaster of all things grimdark? where exactly did it ever say that their was just a single sanguinary high priest?

Bishop of the Blackrose wrote:After reading all yuz guyz responses, I now kinda feel that the WD codex isn't that bad. Although I would like the option of taking Sanguinary Priest, aside from that, I think it's pretty competitive. I would still like an official looking codex, I guess I miss the codex being jam packed of fluff and background stories like the "Angels of Death" book was. All in all, Blood Angels will kick a$$ no matter what their codex has.
And to "Emperor's Faithfull" yes my friend, we should all REVEL IN THE BLACK RAGE!!!!!!!!!!

except that their is no more black rage for your squads in the new PG rated codex made suitable for those who don't like spice. i never said they weren't powerful but they just concentrated their power in one squad and a few hq's. a full death co with corbulo and a chaplain trailing is unstoppable short of a TH/SS squad or a battlecannon. i just want a reason to take points in something else. :(

@ Warbos: not for nothing but there is a black rage, although for the DC only in the form of (correct me if i'm wrong, which i know someone will) the furiouse charge (fluff wise) giving them a +1 in initiative and a +1 in strength. by the way dude, your avatar is the funniest thing this side of the mississippi.

@bishop

thanks. i saw that pic about a year ago on the net and couldn't stop laughing. it's originally from an angry baby pic that people keep photoshopping. there's also a hulk hogan and kung fu version out there. yup, they get furious charge (and i believe everyone within 12" of corbulo gets the same). my standard BA army is chaplain lemartes, full death co with jump packs, corbulo, and a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter in the end.

I'm happy with the current BA dex for the most part. I'd like it to get some holes plugged and some points adjustments for things like Razorbacks, drop pods etc to bring it in line with the current SM dex. I'm disappointed that GW didn't capitalize on the pdf format to fully update the existing dex better for 5th edition.

I'm most looking forward to a plastic upgrade sprue that might include things like plastic Baal predator bits, jump packs with iconography, and furioso dread bits.

I'm actually concerned that they'll screw something up using special characters to drive army design like the SM dex. I don't want to have to take Dante to get assault marines as troops, or Lemartes to put jump packs on the Death Company, for example.

I definitely don't think the BA need a new dex as urgently as the DE, Inquisition, and Crons.

While it'd be nice to have twin AssCan Razorbacks, I'd rather see Necrons "fixed", and then Sisters and Inquisition updated than before we get yet another round of tinkering with the BA.

No, disagreement there, but the reality is GW uses codex updates to drive model sales. Their business model requires that new rules are accompanied by new models. On both counts it is easier for them to update all the variant marine chapters than it is to redo other armies. They're tackling the low-hanging fruit, not the most deserving.

I have been playing Blood Angels for over five years now. I have seen the army go through many changes... Third, fourth and now fifth edition rules plus the new PDF codex. I started playing Blood Angels as a challenge when I heard several fellow gamers proclaim that the last codex was no longer competitive with the death of rhino rush. My first army was drop pods mixed with jump infantry. It was one of the best armies I ever played and I won many games. With the release of the PDF codex I had to completely overhaul my army list and it went through several major revisions due to 4th edition rules being replaced by 5th edition. Mephiston was a scary monster during 4th edition but he was netted by 5th edition. At one point I attempted to recreate my 3rd edition list but it just didn't work due to the changes to fielding troop choices. I took the mech approach with one unit of jump infantry and slowly honed the list. I think Blood Angels can be a top tier list in the hands of the right person. I know you can say that about any race BUT to me it's easier to do with some armies as opposed to others. I was at the Necro and had the opportunity to play the two fellas with the highest battle points (tied, SoB & NidZilla)... I tied the SoB army and had a major victory versus the Tyranids.

I really like the new rules for Blood Angels and believe they were written with 5th edition in mind. They were good in 4th edition but much better now in 5th. I don't think there are a lot of viable lists for BA but that's not a big deal to me. We still have lots of unique units and I feel the army must rely upon special characters to be top tier. I am very interested to see how the upcoming rules will play. It took me a long time to get back to where I was and hopefully there won't be a big learning curve to go through yet again.

G

If there were two thing that I would desperately wish for in a New BA dex they would be:
1) Replacing Honour Guard and Vet Aussault with Vanguard and such (models are So KEWWL!)
2) Fluff. Mountains upon mountains of FLUFF!!! *cackle madly*

Alas, my thirst we'll have to be sated with the DC that should be coming in soon.

Emperors Faithful wrote:If there were two thing that I would desperately wish for in a New BA dex they would be:
1) Replacing Honour Guard and Vet Aussault with Vanguard and such (models are So KEWWL!)
2) Fluff. Mountains upon mountains of FLUFF!!! *cackle madly*

Alas, my thirst we'll have to be sated with the DC that should be coming in soon.

Are you talking about New DC models from GW

Emperors Faithful wrote:Replacing Honour Guard and Vet Aussault with Vanguard and such (models are So KEWWL!)

Um, no.

You can use those models already. Vanguard are not one of the better units in the SM dex. I don't want my BA saddled with them as well.

I would just like GW to add the rule for heroic intervention to VAS and DC with no points increase.

G

By replacing HG with VG, we lose SangPriests and so forth...

I also like the VAS as-is.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I would just like GW to add the rule for heroic intervention to VAS and DC with no points increase.

I dunno. I think that might be a little much.

I wondered why GW wouldn't take advantage of pdf to update them, but then remembered that they wanted to avoid having players walking around with multiple pages of documents and faqs and such. But they still release FAQS, and have openly said that they don't really care much for the tourney scene, so there isn't that much of a reason not to.

Railguns wrote:I wondered why GW wouldn't take advantage of pdf to update them, but then remembered that they wanted to avoid having players walking around with multiple pages of documents and faqs and such. But they still release FAQS, and have openly said that they don't really care much for the tourney scene, so there isn't that much of a reason not to.

Isn't there something else about not everyone having access to the intarwubz, too?

If you can afford the hobby, you are can either afford a connection, or you live in a country where public access (eg Libraries) exists.

Oh, you make complete sense, but GW has used it as a reason for not making their online FAQs and such "official". Never mind that you can't really sell a PDF.

GW is against PDFs because it encourages permissiveness toward non-GW-official-lists. When it must be a GW printed Codex / Army Book, only GW wins.

Bishop of the Blackrose wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:If there were two thing that I would desperately wish for in a New BA dex they would be:
1) Replacing Honour Guard and Vet Aussault with Vanguard and such (models are So KEWWL!)
2) Fluff. Mountains upon mountains of FLUFF!!! *cackle madly*

Alas, my thirst we'll have to be sated with the DC that should be coming in soon.

Are you talking about New DC models from GW

No, I've just ordered them. Picking them up on Thursday. (God-EMprah, the DC are kewl). BTW, anyone know if they COME with jump packs or must I 'aquire' these myself?


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Arschbombe wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Replacing Honour Guard and Vet Aussault with Vanguard and such (models are So KEWWL!)

Um, no.

You can use those models already. Vanguard are not one of the better units in the SM dex. I don't want my BA saddled with them as well.

I just meant that the models themselves were way cooler. That AND the Heroic Intervention rule thingy.

JohnHwangDD wrote:GW is against PDFs because it encourages permissiveness toward non-GW-official-lists. When it must be a GW printed Codex / Army Book, only GW wins.

Yet they encourage us to make up our rules and ignore ones we dont like (Ex. DA faq).. All those index astartes and chapter approved lists were printed .. GW just makes no sense is all

They hate tournament gaming but they want everyone to use OFFICIAL lists (which generally means tournament legal)..

Emperors Faithful wrote:
No, I've just ordered them. Picking them up on Thursday. (God-EMprah, the DC are kewl). BTW, anyone know if they COME with jump packs or must I 'aquire' these myself?

No packs. If you got the 5 man boxed set you get 5 metal bodies with plastic BP CS arms and metal shoulder pads with BA/DC iconography. You can get the packs from GW's bitz service now.

I have heard from my local store manager that the new BA Codex will be out around october 2010

Ho hum... I dont have access to the BA codex at this time. (yes i know it's online, that doesn't change my statement).
I have been using the Vanguard Veterans as my Honor Guard without a problem, but I believe there was an issue with the VG models having too many plasma pistols or the Relic Blade... Have to do a counts as.

Did anybody else hear anything about Razorback with Assault Cannons though? Was this a FW/IA thing? Awfully close to our boy Ba'al.

Or am I high on khat?

The assault cannon razorback is a space marine option.

Arschbombe wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
No, I've just ordered them. Picking them up on Thursday. (God-EMprah, the DC are kewl). BTW, anyone know if they COME with jump packs or must I 'aquire' these myself?

No packs. If you got the 5 man boxed set you get 5 metal bodies with plastic BP CS arms and metal shoulder pads with BA/DC iconography. You can get the packs from GW's bitz service now.

...dangit.