Yep. My LGS got in a large shipment of dark eldar models today! The store owner confirmed that the Dark Eldar are no longer direct only.

Is your LGS a FLGS or a GW store?

What terrible news.

Matybe they're just selling off stock before finally putting that misconcieved army out of everyone's misery.

FLGS. The models were re-packaged in the new style packaging as well.

Ah, ok. I'll have a peek at the Amsterdam store tomorrow to see if they still got DE but I think they're still out of the way.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

Matybe they're just selling off stock before finally putting that misconcieved army out of everyone's misery.

*nod

...that doesn't bode very well at all. Why bother repackaging them and selling them in stores again if they're supposed to be getting an army-wide facelift and reimagining?

If they keep selling the same gak models I think I'm going to go insane. UPDATE. NOW. fething donkey-caves.

Nah they're keeping all the Gary Morley sculpted stuff and re-doing the rest... in Gary Morley's style.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

Matybe they're just selling off stock before finally putting that misconcieved army out of everyone's misery.

Or maybe they're just trying to sell off stock before they release the awesome new codex and models!

Have you seen the new DE greens? I know they've been posted here before...








P.S. -

Aye, ridding their selves of the stock is the most viable option. Makes me wonder just how much they still have lying about.

Might be going 1 of 2 ways IMHO

1) The new codex they are writting completely underminds the current DE models meaning that when released, no one will want to buy the old style so they are trying to get as much money from the old stock before the new arrives. A nasty trick if true.

2) They are dropping DE altogether and selling off old stock to recoup as much money as possible.

hmmm, both options seem to involve GW making money at the expense of its customers, how very typical

I noticed that several dakkaties have made custom codex's, some of them are VERY good such as "Angry Marines's Codex", maybe they can be convinced to make a custom DE one for 5th Edition?
I'd give it a go if I had the skill to make it balanced, but sadly I don't

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

Matybe they're just selling off stock before finally putting that misconcieved army out of everyone's misery.

If only they would do the same to Chaos Daemons.

warp beast look gak, hellions look gak, wyches look gak, evrything else looks cool...hmm...okay guy w/e

This just lends credence to a release soon, possibly after the Wolf Codex.

I know they had some Green Homnoculus done at a gamesday does anyone have those pictures?

Could just be offloading the old models, so they can release new ones when the codex is finally redone.

Dark Eldar do seem to be doing a good job of clinging on by their (sharp) fingernails. They were covered in 5th Edition and in Planetstrike where they're mentioned in the fluff and get their own strategem (and a good one at that).

My own stance is that I like the background, but hate the models, the name (Dark Eldar *sigh* If GW ever did evil Tau, they would either be Dark Tau or Chaos Tau) and the hideously out of date Codex.

Hordini wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

Matybe they're just selling off stock before finally putting that misconcieved army out of everyone's misery.

Or maybe they're just trying to sell off stock before they release the awesome new codex and models!

Have you seen the new DE greens? I know they've been posted here before...

P.S. -

You mean these?



You think they have them on the shelves too?

I do believe we still have the policy of suspending or banning people who post that thing.

Oh, so Mods are allowed to post "that picture" are they

Bah, the moment mods are allowed to do things we aren't blood will flow somehow through this digital burgh!

Doesn't blood flow through this digital burgh on a daily basis?

Ah, I thought it was more of a septic refuse that is pulled from massively distended colons and rectums.

So we're talking crap, is that it?

And in a vain effort to get this thread back on topic... so these repackaged Dark Eldar kits, are they attempting to sell them at the same value as a similar boxed set or are they discounted?

I won't believe this until a picture of the Dark Eldar "section" is posted.

I for one, might purchase a thing or two, just to support seeing this race in the future.

This could be a test you know, they may be seeing what the parket is for this race before making a permanent decision.

The GW site should have the answer to that questions.


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Mahu wrote:I won't believe this until a picture of the Dark Eldar "section" is posted.

I for one, might purchase a thing or two, just to support seeing this race in the future.

This could be a test you know, they may be seeing what the parket is for this race before making a permanent decision.

Jes is already halfway done, a bit late to pull the plug.

Like I said, sad, even their greatest fans say the DE need new models and new fluff to be even partially viable.

but honestly, elfs who are dark and also in space and sort of into bondage but only in a PG-13 sort of way is just such a limited concept.

Well, it's that or asking the fa/tg/uys of 4Chan to write the background.

Genius idea by GW....we all know it's all about securing the next generation of gamers, what's the best way of doing this?

Introduce a new army!
It doesn't matter that they've been out before or that everyone seems to think that the models suck.
They haven't been on the shelves for god knows how long so for all intensive purposes they are a new army.

Money making genius!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Like I said, sad, even their greatest fans say the DE need new models and new fluff to be even partially viable.

but honestly, elfs who are dark and also in space and sort of into bondage but only in a PG-13 sort of way is just such a limited concept.

I dunno KK, the potential is there in the fluff, it just needs to be realised through the models and the rules. They did a great job of capturing the character of IG with the orders system, they just need to carry on with that approach. The Dark Eldar strategem in planetstrike is pretty characterful, more so than some of the other races.

Good to hear that Jes is doing the new Dark Eldar stuff. Actually, before I say that I should ask if he was the one that did the original Dark Eldar stuff... If so, then there must've been some mistake. Jes wouldn't do that .

Um... I'm a relative newb, why is it not cool to post the DE greens? Are they fake?

When the new DE are released, I'll probably start a force.

Steel Rabbit wrote:

Um... I'm a relative newb, why is it not cool to post the DE greens? Are they fake?

They were forever being posted as "New Dark Eldar models sighted" when they were in fact, practice sculpts or something.

Flashman wrote:The Dark Eldar strategem in planetstrike is pretty characterful, more so than some of the other races.

Indeed your right... Dark eldar need something that makes them different from others... so perhaps giving them powerful leadership damaging attacks and abilities? Maybe even with some dark eldar abilities could negate all this fearless and "They shall know no fear" gibberish.. Seeing a dark eldar with year 41000+ bondage wear i think most would run screaming!

whitedragon wrote:

You think they have them on the shelves too?

Oh, you done it now, buddy-boy! Enjoy your new avatar.

I think a KKT might be in order too...

Man those new Dark Eldars greens are the hotness! I can't wait for them to be released!

Kungfuhustler wrote:FLGS. The models were re-packaged in the new style packaging as well.

So *that* is what GW has been working on for the past 10 years - new DE packaging!

Go GW!

Maybe the "Mystery Box" will be first printing DE Codices with a new, 5th Edition style cover?

I have no idea how to interpret this news. Seems like the kinda change they'd make to show support for an army that they really don't (currently) support. But if a new codex is just around the corner, they wouldn't bother reshipping old models.

My assumption is that they want people to see DE and know that they are, not only still in the game, but supported as well. GW repeatedly saying "WE'RE NOT DISCONTINUING DARK ELDAR!" didn't seem to be clear and understandable enough for many people. This news may signify the beginning steps of the DE comeback.

Iorek wrote:

whitedragon wrote:

You think they have them on the shelves too?

Oh, you done it now, buddy-boy! Enjoy your new avatar.

I LOVE IT! DARK ELDARS FOR ALL!

At least you're supported in the article on the GW website wherein a staffer armed with "all the codexes" talks about changes and new tactics for fifth edition. I don't see my sisters there. troubling.

There is a simple test. If they are in White Dwarf then they are being supported if not they are being sold off.

I am guessing they will probably get a new Codex after the Space Wolves one or the Necron one. Whenever that is.

Next year most likely, prolly 12 months from now.

The only reason they'd devote shelf space is if they think they'll sell. Maybe DE sales actually showed an uptick. DE fare pretty well in 5th ed, from everything I've seen and read.

I haven't seen any DE at flg but i'm going today so ill check.

Oh come on, those haemonculi ARE NOT GOING TO BE RELEASED. They were sculpted by Juan Dian NINE years ago.

This might the best thread to post facepalm pics :\



I will be happy to see DE minis availabe at stores again.

Erasoketa wrote:Oh come on, those haemonculi ARE NOT GOING TO BE RELEASED. They were sculpted by Juan Dian NINE years ago.

This might the best thread to post facepalm pics :\



I will be happy to see DE minis availabe at stores again.

This is a long running joke on Dakka, we are well aware that these minis aren't being released, but the second there is a whisper of DE, somebody posts the photo for a laugh (for which he has been suitably punished).

Now I can finish my 3rd ravager and show all the skeptics of DE

Now if only we got a new codex.

I've been working on a new DE army for a little while now and I actually DON'T want a new codex. The current dex is very well done (non-fluff non-withstanding) and has great, cheap and competitive units.

Yeah DE right now are pretty insane..most people at my club/LFGS won't play my 'evil nightshield army of doom' =[ I pretty much tone my army right down to at least have some combat otherwise its just my opponent removing models all game.

LOL...
Remember when they tried to do Apocalypse in Warhammer Fantasy? Let's see...
they had a "special deal" of all Chaos Knights, mind you, the old more expensive metal ones.
one with lots of Dark ELf Cold One Knights. ALso, mind you, the old more expensive metal ones.
One with lots of Minotau...oh they haven't screwed those people yet.

Why does no one like the current DE models??

Damnit, I feel like I'm blind....

Sounds to me like an offloading of stock before new product makes it obsolete and completely undesirable. The new plastics must be good.

The DE have been at my local GW store for at least 2 years (they did disappear for a time to direct only)

maybe the DE are the rumoured new race to be anounced at gamesday...lol
im just mad i didnt get to post the pic first

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
but honestly, elfs who are dark and also in space and sort of into bondage but only in a PG-13 sort of way is just such a limited concept.

The basic concept, I think, is actually pretty sound. The fall of the Eldar was a fairly major event in 40K fluff, and I can easily see the surviving Eldar split on how to react to it. Haughty Eldar convinced of their superiority and willing to sacrifice other races to avoid the attention of chaos gods seems pretty appropriate for the dark future 40K tries to present.

Plus, they fill a unique niche on the table top of a fast, hard hitting but fragile army. I expect a new codex will play up the "raiding" aspect of their fluff, maybe increasing the amount of outflanking units or something.

Superscope wrote:
Indeed your right... Dark eldar need something that makes them different from others... so perhaps giving them powerful leadership damaging attacks and abilities? Maybe even with some dark eldar abilities could negate all this fearless and "They shall know no fear" gibberish.. Seeing a dark eldar with year 41000+ bondage wear i think most would run screaming!

Meh...is getting caught and tortured by Dark Eldar that much scarier than being eaten alive by Tyranids or ripped apart by Orks? I think they'll focus, as mentioned above, on their raiding and webway portals, along with some new unusual wargear (they've always seemed to have the strangest, most arcane stuff).

Mahu wrote:This could be a test you know, they may be seeing what the parket is for this race before making a permanent decision.

If that's really the case then they should just tell Jes to resume sculpting the next Marine release and just Squat the fethers, because no one's going to buy those ugly god-damned models. We're all waiting for an update, we want NEW models and NEW background, so who's the idiot that thought this would be a good way to "test the market"? Especially when most people are waiting like I said and likely won't feel like investing money in gak models when they can wait for new ones that are supposedly just around the corner, depending on who you ask.

"Durr, we can't sell these ugly-ass models! That must mean no one wants Dark Eldar! CANCEL THE UPDATE IMMEDIATELY, HURRR!"

Only GW...

but honestly, elfs who are dark and also in space and sort of into bondage but only in a PG-13 sort of way is just such a limited concept.

You know, I see comments like this every time a DE thread pops up and it always boggles the mind. Any time I hear people bitch and moan about Tau it's always "They don't fit in, they don't fit in! The background and models are horribly out of place and ruin my gaming experience!!11".

You'd think the Dark Eldar would fit in perfectly then, being the complete opposite of Tau and in fact an anathema to them, and yet people are still opposed to the DE fluff and imagery. Image I can understand since that's mostly the fault of the gakky sculpts, but the background for DE is what 40k is all about. It's senseless violence, with a black paint job and skulls stuck on all over it. This is exactly what you guys want!

You just can't please some people I guess.

Meh...is getting caught and tortured by Dark Eldar that much scarier than being eaten alive by Tyranids or ripped apart by Orks?

Yes.

Grimaldi wrote:[Meh...is getting caught and tortured by Dark Eldar that much scarier than being eaten alive by Tyranids or ripped apart by Orks?

Yes, it is.

For this, we apply a sphincter test...

Getting eaten by Nids? I'd pucker. x

Ripped apart by Orks? I'd probably evacuate. o

Tortured by Chaos Eldar? An eternity of sodomyproduces a Goatse =(O)=

Sidstyler wrote:

You know, I see comments like this every time a DE thread pops up and it always boggles the mind. Any time I hear people bitch and moan about Tau it's always "They don't fit in, they don't fit in! The background and models are horribly out of place and ruin my gaming experience!!11".

You'd think the Dark Eldar would fit in perfectly then, being the complete opposite of Tau and in fact an anathema to them, and yet people are still opposed to the DE fluff and imagery. Image I can understand since that's mostly the fault of the gakky sculpts, but the background for DE is what 40k is all about. It's senseless violence, with a black paint job and skulls stuck on all over it. This is exactly what you guys want!

You just can't please some people I guess.

The problem is we already have numerous evil skull/spike/kil!kil!kil! armies. Chaos marines, daemons, orks and to a lesser extent the Imperium, so throwing in another one, that's also a bad xerox of both the Space Elfs and the Dark Elfs just doesn't grab many people.

Railguns wrote:Sounds to me like an offloading of stock before new product makes it obsolete and completely undesirable. The new plastics must be good.

+1

Also I think the secondary purpose of this might be to remind people that the Dark Eldar exist. Not all 40Kers are part of the rumour net like we are. If they suddenly start hyping an army that has been direct-only for years, players could easily think this was something coming out of left field. Re-selling the old models gives them a chance to reintroduce players to the Dark Eldar and build a little interest. And reminding players of how out-dated the models are doesn't hurt them that much- it just makes the upcoming new models seem that much better by comparison.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:The problem is we already have numerous evil skull/spike/kil!kil!kil! armies. Chaos marines, daemons, orks and to a lesser extent the Imperium, so throwing in another one, that's also a bad xerox of both the Space Elfs and the Dark Elfs just doesn't grab many people.

And yet when something truly different does come into the game (like Tau), people don't accept it because it isn't 40k enough, because it's not an evil skull/spike/kill,kill,kill army. *shrugs*

Anyway, an updated codex and model line is the perfect opportunity to develop Dark Eldar background more and make them more interesting. The reason why there's nothing to them now is because there's literally nothing to them, a lot of the background has yet to be written, and if people keep saying "no" to a new DE codex there will never be anything more to them than that.

Not all 40Kers are part of the rumour net like we are.

Argh, that's like GW's style of thinking. "We can't publish codices or even FAQs/Errata online because not everyone has internet access. We need White Dwarf and pushy sales people to get the word out about new kits because if it weren't for them no one would know they were coming. The internet is a fad and will never catch on. The Matrix seems like a rather popular film, maybe we could do a 40k army about that."

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

You know, I see comments like this every time a DE thread pops up and it always boggles the mind. Any time I hear people bitch and moan about Tau it's always "They don't fit in, they don't fit in! The background and models are horribly out of place and ruin my gaming experience!!11".

You'd think the Dark Eldar would fit in perfectly then, being the complete opposite of Tau and in fact an anathema to them, and yet people are still opposed to the DE fluff and imagery. Image I can understand since that's mostly the fault of the gakky sculpts, but the background for DE is what 40k is all about. It's senseless violence, with a black paint job and skulls stuck on all over it. This is exactly what you guys want!

You just can't please some people I guess.

The problem is we already have numerous evil skull/spike/kil!kil!kil! armies. Chaos marines, daemons, orks and to a lesser extent the Imperium, so throwing in another one, that's also a bad xerox of both the Space Elfs and the Dark Elfs just doesn't grab many people.

But that's the setting of the game.

Hell, look at the Empire in WHFB. The classic 'good guys' have skulls and dark imagery all over their army. The plastic Gnereal/BSB set has a battle standard that looks like the Grim Reaper. That's just the nature of these games.

Personally, I think Dark Eldar should have less 'skullzzzzzz!!!' and more subtle spikes, like Dark Elves. Dark Elves in Space is really what they should aim for, in terms of models, rules, and background. A corrupt, cold-hearted race that cares nothing for the existence of others, except as slaves and entertainment.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Dark Eldar. I considered doing an army years ago, but the models were fugly. They seem to play the way I'd like to play, and I love my Dark Elf army.

Sidstyler wrote:Argh, that's like GW's style of thinking.

If it was any other company, that seems like a normal thing to say. But somehow when it's about GW, it sounds like fighting words.

Anyway, what harm does it do if they put DE back in stores?

Flashman wrote:This is a long running joke on Dakka, we are well aware that these minis aren't being released, but the second there is a whisper of DE, somebody posts the photo for a laugh (for which he has been suitably punished).

Ironically, this way the DE Sculpts see more of the light of day then they would if I had been posting them.

Sidstyler wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:The problem is we already have numerous evil skull/spike/kil!kil!kil! armies. Chaos marines, daemons, orks and to a lesser extent the Imperium, so throwing in another one, that's also a bad xerox of both the Space Elfs and the Dark Elfs just doesn't grab many people.

And yet when something truly different does come into the game (like Tau), people don't accept it because it isn't 40k enough, because it's not an evil skull/spike/kill,kill,kill army. *shrugs*

I've had this exchange with KK several times. I've learned to accept that he refuses to believe that an unpopular, ugly army with no fluff or background can be made into a popular, attractive army with extensive compelling fluff and background... Even though it's been done many times before with pretty much all the other armies.
He appears to harbor a deep hatred for the DE army in particular, which probably stems back to his early years when he was mugged by a Dark Eldar Warrior classmate on the way home from school.

I have this sneaking feeling that will not go away that the name will be changed to something other than "Dark Eldar". They may then say that "any reference to Dark Eldar applies to these guys".

The fluff MIGHT be more along the lines of nasty and nice pirates, with Yriel available as the nicest of the nice pirates and others introduced as nasty pirates.

I stopped playing in about '94/'95 before Dark Eldar existed and came back 6 months ago to find out something I had hoped for for ever has been done but completely ballsed up. I am desperately hoping for an awesome addition.

I'd be even more keen to see a GOOD exodite codex.

Variety is the spice of life, the more armies the better I say. Who gives a gak if Tau is a little out of place visually, it's a different army that requires a different tactic to beat, it changes the game up and makes it more interesting. Sure, Space Marines fit in perfect, but the game would be pretty fething boring with nothing but Space Marine vs. Space Marine battles (but much easier to balance I guess). Dark Eldar play differently from every other army, it's something different, even if the imagery or theme has been "done to death" in 40k (and you can't really say they don't "belong" then...). If the army looks like crap, then make new models for them. They do it for Space Marines, they do it for Orks, they do it for every other army to revive interest in them, they can do it for Dark Eldar. If the background sucks, rewrite it from the ground up, or add more to it. They've already proven they can do it easily, as can be seen with the daemons fluff...20 years of established fluff changed with a single codex release.

So there's really no excuse to Squat an army, not anymore. And in fact doing so with any army would be a death sentence for GW. No one wants to pour their heart and soul into little plastic toys, spend hundreds of dollars and years of their life on the hobby, just to watch their army phased out and all that time and effort go to waste. There's no excuse to be lazy anymore and just say "feth it", like they did with the Squats, especially in today's economy. If they want to be around for another 25 years they'll have to start caring and make their games worth buying into, and start showing support for all of their armies besides the top seller.


Anyway...as for the topic at hand, it bugs me mainly because it's obvious what they're trying to do: clear out their inventory of old DE models and try to sucker people into paying full price for the old, ugly crap before they come out with the new hotness. I don't see any other reason to waste time repackaging them.

G_Model101 wrote:Genius idea by GW....we all know it's all about securing the next generation of gamers, what's the best way of doing this?

Introduce a new army!
It doesn't matter that they've been out before or that everyone seems to think that the models suck.
They haven't been on the shelves for god knows how long so for all intensive purposes they are a new army.

Money making genius!

My thoughts exactly.

Also, the PG-13 style bondage b/g is ideal for the target market segment of 13-year-olds.

Is it too late to post the jetbikes?

Sidstyler wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:The problem is we already have numerous evil skull/spike/kil!kil!kil! armies. Chaos marines, daemons, orks and to a lesser extent the Imperium, so throwing in another one, that's also a bad xerox of both the Space Elfs and the Dark Elfs just doesn't grab many people.

And yet when something truly different does come into the game (like Tau), people don't accept it because it isn't 40k enough, because it's not an evil skull/spike/kill,kill,kill army. *shrugs*

Sure there are haters for the Tau, just like there are marine haters and guard haters (they're just boring humans!) and so on. But based on the fact they've gotten 2 codexes, numerous new kits, tons of forgeworld and specialist games stuff and starred in a video game I would say the Tau are a hit. We don't have sales figures to look at but I think all signs are the vast majority of 40k players have embraced change, the 'anime fan' chanting idiots are a tiny minority.

Archonate wrote:I've had this exchange with KK several times. I've learned to accept that he refuses to believe that an unpopular, ugly army with no fluff or background can be made into a popular, attractive army with extensive compelling fluff and background... Even though it's been done many times before with pretty much all the other armies.
He appears to harbor a deep hatred for the DE army in particular, which probably stems back to his early years when he was mugged by a Dark Eldar Warrior classmate on the way home from school.

No it has more to do wtih the day a drunken Wraithlord on a jet bike ran over my dog spiffy.

I don't like to talk about it, it still hurts.

ANYWAY of course the DE can be made a hit, if you replace the models, and the fluff, and the rules and tinker with the basic concept.

But why throw good money after bad?

There are stronger concepts out there like Traitor Guard/Lost and Damned/Chaos Cults that people are going out and making anyway, rules or no. GW would be better off supporting them than trying to put lipstick on a Talos and get us to fall in love.

Hmmm some of the sculpts seem interesting. They might be fun to model and/or paint. I'm going to have to take a peek at my LGS to see if they're carrying anything.

I'm sure if redone in a better manner the Dark Eldar wont be terrible. I don't think they're a mistake that should be forgotten. They're just not as good as any other models GW makes...

I haven't seen them over at GW Amsterdam today.

There are stronger concepts out there like Traitor Guard/Lost and Damned/Chaos Cults that people are going out and making anyway, rules or no.

I agree that these should all have support too, but every army with a codex should be supported, DE included.

DEldar is a powerful list in 5th ed..what they need are more options so that the builds can be more varied.....

And I don't think DE will be dropped...in fantasy dark elves got a nice facelift (thankfully not too cheesy, unlike VC and daemons) which revitalized the army..hope GW doesn't drop the ball on dark eldar..which I don't think will happen..

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Grimaldi wrote:[Meh...is getting caught and tortured by Dark Eldar that much scarier than being eaten alive by Tyranids or ripped apart by Orks?

Yes, it is.

For this, we apply a sphincter test...

Getting eaten by Nids? I'd pucker. x

Ripped apart by Orks? I'd probably evacuate. o

Tortured by Chaos Eldar? An eternity of sodomyproduces a Goatse =(O)=

*facepalm* There's something I didn't need to think about.

Maybe GW should do an updated web-dex and use that and sales of reissued models to survey the appeal of the army.

GW won't do Web-dex, because BA showed that it didn't drive sales...

JohnHwangDD wrote:GW won't do Web-dex, because BA showed that it didn't drive sales...

Do you have a source of some sort to back that up? I'm just asking, I have no idea about the BA codex either way.

Hordini wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:GW won't do Web-dex, because BA showed that it didn't drive sales...

Do you have a source of some sort to back that up? I'm just asking, I have no idea about the BA codex either way.

John does that all the time.

@Brook: What? Remember what other people said? Yeah, I do that all the time.

@Hordini: It's paraphrased from some GW staffer, but there is no way I'm going to hunt back through every BA-related post over the past year or so to try and find the specific post. The feedback was that webcodex release was a failure because GW didn't sell appreciably more BA models than the would have without it. Assuming the post wasn't deleted, you're welcome to dig through the morass...

Maybe it wouldnt have been a failure if they put actual effort into it.. GW's circular logic that doesnt even address their own design failures is amusing

Or frustrating, depending on how you look at it. I'd love to see a new re-thought Dark Eldar army, but if the logic is that since current sets=low sales then new sets=loss we'd never see what we want.

I've been playing DE since I started 40K, 10 long years ago. I love the rules, I love playing them in 5th ed, I still love quite a few of the models. But new models and rules would be awesome. I would LOVE some new fluff, I would LOVE some new models, I would LOVE not to be the only person in the world to play DE . . . or so it seems sometimes =p . . . But just today I played my first Planetstrike game with DE . . . a draw against IE . . . but it played awesomely, the rules are still good . . . and the best thing is, that just by getting the army out and playing with it I sparked up interest about DE. As a member of staff it was great to get a crowd of people round the table watching my Wyches come in fromt he edge, and charge into squads of IE Vets and kill them all in 1 turn! DE still the true piratical raiders of the universe!

"IE"? Imperial Fists? Imperal Guard? Iron Warriors? What?

AAAH! I'm an idiot . . . been talking too much computer to people! Sorry I meant Imperial Guard, not Internet Explorer . . . that really famous 40K army we all know and love =p

They should just melt all of the DE models they have in stock and use that plastic and resin to make the new DE models.

Jacksonhighlander wrote:They should just melt all of the DE models they have in stock and use that plastic and resin to make the new DE models.

...have you seen DE jetbikes? Wyches? seriously. if they screw up the wyches like they did daemonettes... SMACK A BABY.

Jacksonhighlander wrote: if they screw up the wyches like they did daemonettes... SMACK A BABY.

They could screw up those models? The wyches are cool . . . but in now way, shape, or form, are they GOOD models . . . my philosophy on the new DE stuff is "The only way is up!"

That was my philosophy regarding the new Transformers movie, and I was proven wrong.

TBH considering the dark eldar sculpts are 10 years old they aren't that bad when you look at some of the other sculpts from that time. Some of them are still pretty good.

I hope they don't do them as eldar pirates, that would be a shame and honestly would cause the line to fail. It would just be an bland extension of codex eldar at that point and not a seperate army.

Considering the time frame a new dark eldar codex -might- be released in they are prolly just releasing the models to see what player appeal is like, remind players they exist, and get some model sales. The net has been abuzz on many sites about how the DE codex is getting revamped, so if you have a warehouse full of stuff for DE why not ship it?

And honestly considering every major game expansion for 40k thus far has had mention or special rules or new fluff for Dark Eldar (5th edition, Apoc, Planetstrike)and they were one of the armies supported in a not so long ago expasion for dawn of war, its pretty safe to say GW plans to support them. But then again when you have a company with its own on site bar sometimes things get drunk....

Honestly I see the majority of the model line being redone but not in a drastic way, just new sculpts, and rules changes more than I see units going to be invalidated, which is prolly why they are re-releasing the old models. Even if new models come out the old ones will still be viable in the rules, and chances are even if you were to walk out today and buy a new DE army, 12+ months from now you will replace a few units with the new models because the models will be....new

TBH, I'm seriously considering making a DE army.

TBH, I'm seriously considering starting a Squat army

Lets all just start DE and boycott Marines.

Yeah right

Oh wow, Beef is back. Hi Beef.

Kungfuhustler wrote:Yep. My LGS got in a large shipment of dark eldar models today! The store owner confirmed that the Dark Eldar are no longer direct only.

I was told this is part of the change from US+Canada= GW North America. It's just the old range being put back into what's available to stores. No new models. And it's not an indication that new DE are around the corner.

GW won't do Web-dex, because BA showed that it didn't drive sales...

I hate to say this but John was right (ouch that hurt ). The problem was everyone already had all the models for BA and the new dex basically made them update their existing models by adding jump packs etc. With no new models in the range very little increase in sales was noticed. Although it did drive the cost of jetpacks up hehe. When releasing new armies with no models you cant expect an increase in sales.

I still like my DE although I dont play them as much as I used to. This is more due to my old paint job not up to par with my new stuff and I dont want to repaint them until new models come out. The Dex is not bad but they do need new units and adjustments to the current units and the wargear really needs an update. This would bring them out of the dark ages but I am hoping they add another side to the DE to give others a reason to play them other than the fact that we just like to be sadistic heheh.

Oshova wrote:

Jacksonhighlander wrote: if they screw up the wyches like they did daemonettes... SMACK A BABY.

They could screw up those models? The wyches are cool . . . but in now way, shape, or form, are they GOOD models . . . my philosophy on the new DE stuff is "The only way is up!"

What makes you think that GW cannot make things worse to save a buck or two? Did you not see the current Blastscape Craters thread? Or the Leman Russ "redesign"? Or the simplification of Chaos Warriors in WFB?

Assuming DE re-launch, Wyches will be redone in plastic, but they will very likely get the Daemonette treatment with a major change in style. The existing plastic Raider, Warriors and Jetbikes will carry over, warts and all. Most likely, Warrior weapons and Ravagers will move to upgrade sprues to remove the mixed-metal kits, with Scourges possible as an upgrade sprue for Warriors. All told, the DE army is going to pretty much look about the same as what we had 10 years ago, just with fewer metal bitz.

Also, the DE Codex isn't weak, so I'd be quite scared if I currently played DE. I think people can kiss away 10 Warrior squads with dual Dark Lances, along with awesome wargear like Agonizers for Troops leaders. It's not like GW is going to buff the DE, given that they're already competitive. I think DE are going to see some very bizzare rebalances if a new Codex ever comes out, like "must-have" Talos and Grotesques. And Asrubal Vect? Mandatory Special Character for competitive play.

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Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:TBH, I'm seriously considering making a DE army.

Flashman wrote:TBH, I'm seriously considering starting a Squat army

Do it!

Do it!

john: i already consider sdurbial vect to be manditory for competitive play, assuming a 2K or greater tourney . who dosen't want an av 14 ravager that fights in cc as an 11 front armor dreadnaught, feth's sake!

Honestly I'm excited for the possibility of new warrior molds, i have 90+ warriors now and the only thing I like about them is that they are a fairly blank canvas for insanely intricate paint schemes, a lot of them have boobs and the ones that do not have boobs are easy to augment with some healthy D cups. We all know Eldar are a bunch of poofs, but dark eldar are easily an all female bondage poof army... and that is A-OK. It really appeals to my iner 13 year old!

Someone posted some amazing corsair/storm guardian/warrior kitbashes a while ago that should satisfy anyone who really dosen't get off on the current warrior models. I think I'm going to build 40 or 50 of them myslef.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Assuming DE re-launch, Wyches will be redone in plastic, but they will very likely get the Daemonette treatment with a major change in style. The existing plastic Raider, Warriors and Jetbikes will carry over, warts and all. Most likely, Warrior weapons and Ravagers will move to upgrade sprues to remove the mixed-metal kits, with Scourges possible as an upgrade sprue for Warriors. All told, the DE army is going to pretty much look about the same as what we had 10 years ago, just with fewer metal bitz.

To be fair, every rumor we've seen has mentioned a complete do-over for the DE line. And Raiders have a different look in more recent artwork. Wyches will likely change if only because Chris Fitzpatrick is long gone and Jes is on the job.

Also, the DE Codex isn't weak, so I'd be quite scared if I currently played DE. I think people can kiss away 10 Warrior squads with dual Dark Lances, along with awesome wargear like Agonizers for Troops leaders. It's not like GW is going to buff the DE, given that they're already competitive. I think DE are going to see some very bizzare rebalances if a new Codex ever comes out, like "must-have" Talos and Grotesques. And Asrubal Vect? Mandatory Special Character for competitive play.

I wouldn't say they should be "scared" exactly. I think DE players have to be ready for quite a bit of change. Yes, a good DE army might be composed very differently. And if GW's head is where it normally is ($$$), they'll probably ensure that current army comps will require some significant changes. But I'd think DE players' desire for a modern codex and more viable options will probably outweigh any fear of change they might have.

I also think GW will make sure the DE codex is competitive. Competitive armies sell, and they'll have enough invested in a DE relaunch that they'll want to make sure it's a hit. Plus, IIRC the last book that Phil Kelly produced that was a competitive dud was a long time ago and in a different game system (Ogre Kingdoms). And I expect at least half the codex to get significantly buffed, given that half the codex is now near-useless.

Honestly I see a hard swing of the nerf-bat coming towards the dark eldar along the lines of what john said + the loss of webway gates. Just like the recent IG codex I think that GW is going to produce a semi viable/viable codex that 100% alters the way that the army was COMPETITIVELY played. I really hope that the nex DE dex is a looooong way from release.

But there are not new repackagings, or relauches, are they?

I mean, it's still the same limited range than in the website, without special weapons blisters for troop squads, nor splinter rifle guys for the Scourges. Too bad.

I still don't understand why they discontinued that models, being legal options in the army list and having the miniatures made.

It's the same model range, new packaging. a 2 darklance blister is $15 u.s.

I would consider it a re-launch though, with the advent of the new planetstrike book talking them up and the models being available in hobby stores again. They should have made more of a to-do about it though.

TBH, I can't wait for the new rules . . . my first and favourite 40K army . . . pure awesomeness =]

Call me a newbie, but I haven't actually seen Dark Eldar. So I went to the army profile section and I noticed something.

There aren't any Dark Eldar Army Profiles.

I wonder if Google will be any better...

All told, the DE army is going to pretty much look about the same as what we had 10 years ago, just with fewer metal bitz.

I find that pretty hard to believe. GW is pretty fething stupid, no doubt, but I don't think they're quite so stupid as to ignore the number one complaint about DE: the ugly fething models.

If they did do that it'd probably be the single stupidest decision they ever made (topped only by writing the Squats into/out of the game), and a complete waste of time and money. If you're not going to improve the look, then why bother?

I concur, I want awesome new models! Admittedly with a 4000pt army I don't need to buy much, but a few boxes here and there wouldn't go a miss, and hey what is eBay for if not to chuck out the old to fund the new? =p

I can't help but feel from past experience, now would be the time to pick up cheap used mandrakes, scourges and hellions. I do agree that things will get shifted around to drive sales. One of the currently crappy choices will become a new must-have - like the treatment lootas and nobs got in the ork book. One of these will get very sexy new models but still suck rules wise.
Dark lances will go up in points, but troops and wyches will come down, balancing the cost out, but you'll only get 1 lance per 8 guys or something like that.

These are my predictions. I actually prefer the old ork codex to the new in some ways. I hope I don't feel the same about my dark eldar after the update...

hellsguardian316 wrote:Might be going 1 of 2 ways IMHO

1) The new codex they are writting completely underminds the current DE models meaning that when released, no one will want to buy the old style so they are trying to get as much money from the old stock before the new arrives. A nasty trick if true.

2) They are dropping DE altogether and selling off old stock to recoup as much money as possible.

hmmm, both options seem to involve GW making money at the expense of its customers, how very typical

I noticed that several dakkaties have made custom codex's, some of them are VERY good such as "Angry Marines's Codex", maybe they can be convinced to make a custom DE one for 5th Edition?
I'd give it a go if I had the skill to make it balanced, but sadly I don't

Uhmm don't all companies make money at the customers expense?

I don't anything wrong here, they're selling off old stock to get money. They are not going to let it rot in some warehouse and loose money on it are they? Not very business like. If they can sell it they will and will make money on it, from their customers, thats what business are in it for - to make money.

Sidstyler wrote:

All told, the DE army is going to pretty much look about the same as what we had 10 years ago, just with fewer metal bitz.

I find that pretty hard to believe. GW is pretty fething stupid, no doubt, but I don't think they're quite so stupid as to ignore the number one complaint about DE: the ugly fething models.

If you're not going to improve the look, then why bother?

Because GW wants more money, not an improved look.

If you go through GW's model lines, GW doesn't replace plastics when there are metal-and-plastic kits to convert to all-plastic.

By comparison, consider the Wood Elf revamp. WE had monopose infantry that looked absolutely horrid, along with mixed-metal cavalry and clunky Dryads. The monoposes were updated, and new Dryads were sculpted because they were moved to Core. The mixed metal Cavalry became all-plastic. The current Dark Eldar don't have monopose infantry, so there's nothing to change there. Wyches move to Troops, so convert to all-NEW plastic like the Dryads. Mixed metal Special Weapons and Ravagers move to an upgrade sprue.

Yes, GW will make incremental updates to the Wyches, because they're currently metal and will need to be plastic to follow "all Troops available as plastic". But to expect a major change in the Warrior, Raider, or Jetbike models is strange. There is no way that those metal molds have recouped their investment cost, so they'll soldier on. Heck, compare with Catachans - those plastics are just as old, sell far more models, and they're still hanging on.

JohnHwangDD wrote: to expect a major change in the Warrior, Raider, or Jetbike models is strange. There is no way that those metal molds have recouped their investment cost, so they'll soldier on. Heck, compare with Catachans - those plastics are just as old, sell far more models, and they're still hanging on.

Catachans haven't changed because the models sell. I find it far more strange that you don't think they'd dramatically change the DE model line after having seen massive sales boosts for changing the faces of so many other armies in the past. Do you remember what 2nd ed Orks looked like? Or better yet, 2nd ed Tyranids? They both got massive makeovers for 3rd ed. But why would they do that?!? 2nd ed Tyranids were extraordinarily unpopular!!!... Yup, right up until they got a completely new model line... But maybe you're right. Maybe giving the worse model line in the entire game a face lift would be a horrible, horrible mistake... Unless, of course, GW is interested in making money, but that couldn't be...

I started in 2nd Ed, so yeah, I know exactly what the 2E models looked like. I especially remember the luchador Carnifex - that was goofy. But the old Tyrant was a good model. The Stealers have hardly changed from their Space Hulk versions. Gaunts aren't much changed. The metals going to plastic (Nic Warriors, Carnifex) saw really major changes. The new Zo is OK, though I kinda liked the old one.

The Orks went from single pose to multi-pose plastic, just like Eldar Guardians, and are largely unchanged today. But aside from the mixed-metal stuff ('Ard Boyz, Stikbommas, Stormboyz, Burnas), Orks kept most of their silly 2E / GM stuff well into 4th. The tiny cartoony GorkaMorka Trukk & Buggy stayed in production for ages.

So thinking that DE will see their all-plastic kits redone is kind of odd. It's not like GW will save a bunch of plastic & sprues on new Warriors or Raiders or Jetbikes like the new Chimera chassis / Russ chassis changes allow.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

Matybe they're just selling off stock before finally putting that misconcieved army out of everyone's misery.

If only they would do the same to Chaos Daemons.

I dont think there has ever been a more appropriate post to Quote for Truth. Cheese Elemental speaks the truth!


but it occurs to me that they must have at one point expected Dark Eldar to sell well, because I remember them coming in the 40k starter kit once. So it would make sense for them to have a lot of spare stock to get rid of.

The DE molds are probably 12 years old. They likely paid for themselves long ago. Catachans probably still "soldier on" as is for two reasons. First, GW is limited in how many new sprues they can do each year. Machine capacity is limited, and other things (new IG vehicles, for one) were higher priority over new Catachan sculpts. The other reason is that they probably sell better than we give them credit for.

Regarding new molds for DE, they aren't the massive expense anymore that people perceive them to be. I think GW's even said this. Otherwise we wouldn't have plastic Easterlings and other similar niche products in plastic. Again, I think it's less about the molds than it is about getting a spot on the production schedule. I think it's very likely that DE will receive a total redo whenever they happen, given the fact that the miniatures are a bigger fail than the rules (which are 50% fail). It makes little business sense to repeat that mistake.

Now, the real question is when DE get their spot in the production schedule. My uninformed guess is that 2011 is more realistic than 2010. By 2011 they'll probably have Tyranids and the SM chapters out of the way. DE might be competing with Necrons and Inquisition. Or even Chaos Legions, although I think that's residing in the same never-to-happen limbo as Codex: Darkside and Advanced 40K.

You guys watch. Raider lance spam will still be doable, but only if you take the 400 point new Asdrubael Vect special Raider. And Blasters will go up to 25 points each. Bizzarely, Splinter Cannons will retain 4 shots but become 18" S3, and go up to 30 points a piece. Warriors can only take more than one special in squads of ten or more (Raiders will only hold 8). Warriors will cost 11 points each because I5 is so , ahem, powerful. Agonizers will be poison(4+), lose power weapon, gain rending, and cost 35 points.
Grotesques will get FnP, a 5+ invulnerable save, rending, T5, have 2 poison(4+) close combat weapons, and cost 10 points each. But will have to take a leadership test on a 5 without a Haemonculus within 12 inches.

gorgon wrote:The DE molds are probably 12 years old. They likely paid for themselves long ago.

Regarding new molds for DE, they aren't the massive expense anymore that people perceive them to be. I think GW's even said this. Otherwise we wouldn't have plastic Easterlings and other similar niche products in plastic.

The DE molds will only have paid for themselves if enough people bought DE models. Given that GW cut them when molds were expensive, and GW stopped production about 6 years ago due to lack of sales, it is questionable whether those molds have actually paid for themselves.

Plastic Easterlings aren't a niche product any more than any of the WFB armies are. I would love to see the detailed sales, but I wouldn't doubt that GW has sold more boxes of Easterlings in the past few years than DE Warrior squads sold over the past decade. I suspect that Easterlings sell in competitive volumes to any WFB army, and that if you weren't carrying a 40k/WFB bias against LotR/WotR, you'd accept that, too.
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Railguns wrote:You guys watch.

I could see GW doing all of what you say. Except the Lances. If BS3 Guard pay 25+ pts for a Lascannon, then DE will have to pay more for BS4 Lascannons.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Because GW wants more money, not an improved look.

And an updated look means more money. I've yet to be convinced that a complete facelift would make them less money than attempting to sell off the old gak that no one wanted before.

Who honestly thinks that a new set of core models wouldn't invigorate sales in DE, or any race for that matter?

Besides our resident moon-landing denier, that is.

I see he has been downgraded from holocaust to the moon, nice.

There's a moon landing denier and a holocaust denier around here? Who? Jervis?

BrookM wrote:I see he has been downgraded from holocaust to the moon, nice.

See - insulting and topical. Yet still polite.

Sometimes I impress even myself.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The DE molds will only have paid for themselves if enough people bought DE models. Given that GW cut them when molds were expensive, and GW stopped production about 6 years ago due to lack of sales, it is questionable whether those molds have actually paid for themselves.

Plastic Easterlings aren't a niche product any more than any of the WFB armies are. I would love to see the detailed sales, but I wouldn't doubt that GW has sold more boxes of Easterlings in the past few years than DE Warrior squads sold over the past decade.

They've never been unavailable for purchase. In Canada they were still on GW store shelves, IIRC. Neither of us know the numbers, but I think it's reasonable to say they had a good chance of recouping mold costs over 12 years. Twelve years is a long time, and GW's margins are quite high on plastic kits.

Your stance seems to be that no one bought DE, but I never saw that to be the case. They were a niche army, but Tyranids were very much in the same boat before they got their 4th edition codex.

And were DE moved to MO only due to lack of sales? I've never heard confirmation of that from GW. On the other hand, I do know GW completely eliminated the Squat line and said on record that cancellation wasn't due to lack of sales. Without confirmation, you can't rule out other factors.

I suspect that Easterlings sell in competitive volumes to any WFB army, and that if you weren't carrying a 40k/WFB bias against LotR/WotR, you'd accept that, too.

Yeah, I'm the biased one here, LOL. Especially compared to your even-handed approach to all things DE. No agenda there. No siree.

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Railguns wrote:You guys watch.

I could see GW doing all of what you say. Except the Lances. If BS3 Guard pay 25+ pts for a Lascannon, then DE will have to pay more for BS4 Lascannons.

In Spain, DE have always been available for LGS. The problem is that most of times you needed to request them. And some blisters and boxes were not available, GW mail order (online shop) only. I guess that the official GW stores had the chance to sell the range, but that they didn't because they are always promoting the latest news. In the spanish online shop DE have always been on sale, as they are now.

I still have to nearest my local GW store to see if they have any DE now.

Hmm I'm remembering now, few months ago the DE (2ºed) Codex came back the official GW store here. It will be nice if they have something else to offer me

In the US they removed the DE from the store shelves in order to make room for the Lord of the Rings crap...uh...I mean stuff. They just did not have the wall space and someone had to lose. This may also be why they keep making more and more things direct which I think is a critical sales error. Many times I would have bought something if they had it on the shelf but by the time I got home and thought about it I realized I did not really need it heh. Its called impulse sales and in this hobby that is huge. Once you make it not so easy to buy, you sell less.

*sigh* so much misunderstanding of basic business acumen. . .

1- A facelifted a army means people want to buy it more
2- A new set of rules for an army means people want to buy it more.
3- On the weekend that the new IG were released the total sales were over 200% of average, and they didn't facelift the troop choices.
4- The DE moulds haven't changed since 3ed when they were released . . . a facelift is in order.
5- Common sense leads us to believe that DE will have a facelifted army to go with their new rules.

Dark Eldar . . . we're so bored of piratical action we will have civil wars to pass the time. . .

gorgon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:The DE molds will only have paid for themselves if enough people bought DE models. Given that GW cut them when molds were expensive, and GW stopped production about 6 years ago due to lack of sales, it is questionable whether those molds have actually paid for themselves.

Plastic Easterlings aren't a niche product any more than any of the WFB armies are. I would love to see the detailed sales, but I wouldn't doubt that GW has sold more boxes of Easterlings in the past few years than DE Warrior squads sold over the past decade.

They've never been unavailable for purchase. In Canada they were still on GW store shelves, IIRC. Neither of us know the numbers, but I think it's reasonable to say they had a good chance of recouping mold costs over 12 years. Twelve years is a long time, and GW's margins are quite high on plastic kits.

Your stance seems to be that no one bought DE, but I never saw that to be the case. They were a niche army, but Tyranids were very much in the same boat before they got their 4th edition codex.

And were DE moved to MO only due to lack of sales? I've never heard confirmation of that from GW. On the other hand, I do know GW completely eliminated the Squat line and said on record that cancellation wasn't due to lack of sales. Without confirmation, you can't rule out other factors.

The DE were pulled from the store shelves 5 years ago, and given a special disclaimer in the GW Catalogs at that time. One reasonably concludes that GW (or any other retailer) doesn't pull product that sells well to make shelf space for other product. But who knows, maybe we've all been completely mistaken about how profit-hungry GW is, and GW actually pulled purely DE out of spite rather than poor sales. Given that GW clearly admits that most of their sales are impulse and to newbies, without shelf space, DE aren't going to sell to their target audience. Dark Eldar had an effective sales duration of 6 years (3rd Edition), and I know a bunch of players who bought a few DE when 3rd was new. But within the first couple years, DE were tagged as a failure, and that was that.

Regardless of margins, GW still had very high investment cost on metal molds when those DE molds were cut. GW had a more favorable discounting structure at that time. And GW hadn't yet started down the price increase march. I maintain that there's a good chance that GW is still trying to pay off those molds.

DE also suffered from poor concept and Fluff, and I won't argue against that point. Poor concept and bad Fluff simply gives even less reason for players to consider the army.

gorgon wrote:

I suspect that Easterlings sell in competitive volumes to any WFB army, and that if you weren't carrying a 40k/WFB bias against LotR/WotR, you'd accept that, too.

Yeah, I'm the biased one here, LOL. Especially compared to your even-handed approach to all things DE. No agenda there. No siree.

OK, then just show us how DE sold well. All reports that I've seen on WotR are positive, and Easterlings look great.

The DE were pulled from the store shelves 5 years ago, and given a special disclaimer in the GW Catalogs at that time. One reasonably concludes that GW (or any other retailer) doesn't pull product that sells well to make shelf space for other product

At the time they were pulled look at the most recent releases. Everything had newer versions and updates and was more playable with more recent models. Of course the DE sales were slow. What I do know is they were pulled to make room for the lord of the rings in the GW stores. Strangely in the same shelf space it did not do that well either hehe. Your going on assumptions as you typically do in most of your posts regarding DE for some reason. Too bad you dont like the race or rules but stop trying to squash any post that has any thing to do with them.

They're still on shelves here.

Still on the shelves here . . . haven't seen any sold in a long time, but that doesn't stop me from trying =p

and LOTR/WOTR sales are massively decreased after the LOTR film bubble burst, but I have seen more of each race sold than Dark Eldar in recent times . . . and that is why they need to be redone, to boost sales =]

Fishboy wrote:Too bad you dont like the race or rules but stop trying to squash any post that has any thing to do with them.

How am I "trying to squash any post"?

"Oh, noes, I don't think they're made of win" means something actually happens? Nonsense. GW couldn't care less what any of us think or say.

If GW didn't take into account the views of their customers then how would they be able to maintain such a large fan base, and such a large collection of gamers in their stores?

Sorry to say it, but you just seem to focus on the negatives of GW too much JohnHwangDD.

Oshova wrote:Sorry to say it, but you just seem to focus on the negatives of GW too much JohnHwangDD.

Heh, that's pretty funny, because I think I just call it like I see it.

When GW does something I like, I'm a fanboy. Now, I'm a hater.

Awesome.

Surely it's better to find the middle ground and have some consistency, sometimes you have to realise nothing is all good or all bad. There is an area inbetween good and bad.

Yes, there is.

It's called boring, and not worth commenting on.

This has to be one of the funniest conversations I've witnessed here. Go Oshova!

Shh, don't ruin it for him, the poor bastard is still trying to use logic and reason ;-)

When GW does something I like, I'm a fanboy. Now, I'm a hater.

Welcome to my world, same gak happens to me. Whenever I bitch about GW people jump my ass and call me a hater, and on the rare occasion I praise something they do, I get accused of secretly being a GW employee. Someone on another forum actually suggested I was an undercover GW employee because I thought the stompa model (and indeed most of the new Ork stuff, even the "weedy" battlewagon) was cool.

In any case though, I just think you're an donkey-cave for trying to keep DE down.

Then John all I can say is I have never seen the "fanboy"aspect of you in any posts.

Everyone has things they love and things they hate about GW . . . and for me Dark Eldar fit into both categories. I love them for their piraticalness, I love them for the sheer amount of vehicles you can have, I love them for their all round killyness . . . I hate them for their out of date models and rules . . . and that sums it up for me =]

Point is, eldar sell very well, the 'goody' elves in space sell well because the models look good, the codex has always been tidy and the background has evolved to be a rather well rounded one. So you want to make dark, segsah, murderous elves in space wearing skimpy costumes and torturing stuff.... Those should have sold well, if there had been some time taken and someone other than you-know-who had been allowed to design/sculpt them...

Dark Eldar? Personally I don't like em much, I think they were tagged on by GW in a rush, the background not a good 'fluff' fit. But mostly the models sucked, the army looked and still looks bad. If you resculpt them, if you go Hellraiser cenobite eldar and you let a skilled elven sculpter (ie JG) make them, then there is nothing to stop them selling like hotcakes.

If GW made an army and people bought them, if they introduced them, they hold an obligation to maintain them and not just pull yet another 'squats', or they will use that sales based justification to eliminate every army till it's just spacemarines of various colours.

Don't forget the other army in the starter box . . . they've got to be the 2nd biggest seller, just because so many kids get 'stuck' with them, because their brother or sister wanted to be the space marines . . .

You'd think the basic concept line of Dark Eldar would sell like cocaine laced cheetos to nerds. S&M Space Elves with Bondage Gear riding Jabba's Sail Barge into battle firing Goth Lasers of Pure Darkness who like Cutting Themselves? I'm sure theres a demographic out there somewhere these guys would sell to. It hits so many things!

Seriously though if Dark Elves work in Warhammer Fantasy than there is no reason they can't get some reasonable facsimile to work in 40k. They did it for everyone else but Skaven and Dwarves.

Cocaine laced cheetos, mmmmmmmmm!

Fishboy wrote:Then John all I can say is I have never seen the "fanboy"aspect of you in any posts.

I happen to like the current CSM Codex. Go fish.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
I happen to like the current CSM Codex. Go fish.

I just heard a stampede of Chaos players rush to /friend HMBC in protest of your statement...

I happen to like the current CSM Codex. Go fish.

Is that a smile I just saw there?

Oshova wrote:Don't forget the other army in the starter box . . . they've got to be the 2nd biggest seller, just because so many kids get 'stuck' with them, because their brother or sister wanted to be the space marines . . .

I remember when my brother and I got that box! He got the marines, I went out and bought some orks! To this day we still find little pieces of DE warrior in our old lego boxes. We didn't know or care to know anything about DE then, they weren't orks marines or anything that seemed remotely cool when we were kids. In a game that is powered by cool DE were insufficient.

8-10 years later I find myself collecting the odd and mysterious little buggers. Perhaps it has somthing to do with the fact that all evles are gay and I can field an all female DE army thus creating an all lesbian bdsm force, but whatever.

John/Oshava: You are both right about DE in a few ways. But even if GW took a loss on DE I think they are okay with calling the 12 year old incarnation of "not quite cool enough" a loss, and give it another shot. With the right model range and perhaps PG-15 fluff I think they will sell quite nicely.

And everyone should remember: Dark Eldar are piratical raiders! Just because they have not been seen in a few years does not mean that they are not about to rape your women and children!

Just a random tid bit....I may be insane but I was looking through the latest white dwarf and in the article about the new brushes they show an 'Eavy Metal painter at his station and I swear their is a new Dark Eldar model right there on his Desk. He's wearing red armour, really pale, slender weapons......it's gotta be a new Mini. I don't have the Mag or I would scan it and try to blow it up.

MUST. LOOK. MUST. LOOK. . . Well that's interesting . . . pg 92. for anyone who has it . . . it does look very eldary and not like a model I know . . . interesting indeed . . .

Fishboy wrote:

I happen to like the current CSM Codex. Go fish.

Is that a smile I just saw there?

Indeed it is.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If GW made an army and people bought them, if they introduced them, they hold an obligation to maintain them and not just pull yet another 'squats', or they will use that sales based justification to eliminate every army till it's just spacemarines of various colours.

Indeed, "low sales" is such a bs argument for Squatting an army.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Dark Eldar? Personally I don't like em much, I think they were tagged on by GW in a rush, the background not a good 'fluff' fit. But mostly the models sucked, the army looked and still looks bad.

Maybe they were rushed, but I don't think tagged on is quite the term. They formed part of the 3rd Edition release push and were quite popular for a while. But then the codexes and miniatures for other races started to get better...

And little Timmy didn't understand why his cool spiky space men had to be so easy to kill when his friends armies weren't. But they're so evil! Why doesn't anything in the army have higher toughness or better armor? Why are my vehicles so easy to kill? THATS NOT FAIR!! I'm gonna sell my Dark Eldar on ebay and play marines like everybody else.


Still, an army that can field 30 dark lances and 9 pinning blasts with cumulative leadership penalties for each model under the templates(for 5 points each) at a tournament has a lot going for it.

*sigh* . . . And don't we know it . . . why is it that the xenos lists kinda get ignored, they get the least fluff, and the slowest updates (OK you can include Inquisition in there aswell) . . . not everything is about the Horus Heresy you know lol

Like has been said, most of the codex is trash. But Warriors(2x dark lances for 10 points each), Raiders(with a dark lance,one for every squad) Ravagers(3 dark lances), Archons(in Raiders with dark lances, with a warrior retinue with 2 more dark lances) and Wyches(in a raider with dark lance) is a severely nasty army. Ludicrous firepower against anything that isn't a Monolith or Blessed Hull Black Templars land raider, with the mobility(fast skimmers for all!) to put that firepower wherever the heck they want.

Doesn't sell because it's completely unforgiving to the unexperienced newbie market that that GW loves so much these days.

I'd have a Dark Eldar army myself if it werent for the mostly awful warrior squads and goofy looking Archon. The glass cannon army(literally, their signature weapons shoot superdense poison glass for god's sake) with huge mobility and alpha strike firepower isn't really matched anywhere else. If the reposed the Warrior models and gave them reasonably sized helmets and lost the Dragonball hair(you know the one) they'd be fine models.

For about the first 7 years of playing DE I didn't win more than about 2 games . . . not a good army to start with, but now that I've started understanding the game they are a kick ass army =]

You couldn't win more than a couple games with DE in 7 years? Wow. I won more games with them in that many months, before I unloaded mine.

Has anyone looked at the repackaging, closely? Are their new boxes and is there new art work on the boxes? If so, look closely at the artwork.

I imagine it would be the exact same style as when they repackaged all of the Eldar Aspect warriors so that you couldn't get a full squad without spending 70 dollars and having an extra Exarch.

Hollismason wrote:This just lends credence to a release soon, possibly after the Wolf Codex.

I know they had some Green Homnoculus done at a gamesday does anyone have those pictures?

Not sure if anyone mentions this in the rest of the thread, don't have time to dig through six pages, but the Homonculi from GW Spain are not greens for the army. Those models have shown up on several sites over the past two to three years and it has been stated time and again that those were test models for a sculptor to get a job at GW. This doesn't mean they won't be sculpted when DE are released, but it also doesn't mean they will.

Posting those homoculli is a bannable offence these days.

I'm pretty sure he knows that, he was just being a smartass.

Posting those homoculli is a bannable offence these days.

Only if you're not a mod.

focusedfire wrote:Has anyone looked at the repackaging, closely?

That would require someone setting foot in a GW store and looking at the GW models...



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Railguns wrote:I imagine it would be the exact same style as when they repackaged all of the Eldar Aspect warriors so that you couldn't get a full squad without spending 70 dollars and having an extra Exarch.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I bought all of my Aspects by the blister, or on eBay.

I can check out the packaging tonight as I'm probably going to the FLGS.

Kungfuhustler wrote:Yep. My LGS got in a large shipment of dark eldar models today! The store owner confirmed that the Dark Eldar are no longer direct only.

You know what's most amusing?

I poked my head in the GW LA Battle Bunker, expecting to see these rumored "Dark Eldar models" that the OP claims, and...


...NOT A SINGLE DARK ELDAR MODEL IN SIGHT!


Shenanigains!


I call "shenanigains" on the OP.

Pics, or I'm getting out my broom!

Railguns wrote:I imagine it would be the exact same style as when they repackaged all of the Eldar Aspect warriors so that you couldn't get a full squad without spending 70 dollars and having an extra Exarch.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1020001&rootCatGameStyle=

They come in blisters for 13 something or in boxes of 5 plus an exarch for $30 now.

I hope that they come out with some cool new things for that army. My buddy has been playing with the same old stuff for quite some time. Any news if there will be anything new for the army?