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New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 15:41:14


Post by: blackdiamond




I've got some observations on my blog. Overall, very nice kit. Easy to assemble (even for a new Leman Russ builder and without instructions).

http://blackdiamondgames.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-demolisher-kit-40k.html


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 15:45:25


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


thanks for sharing.

boy that gun looks over the top...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 15:48:50


Post by: Bookwrack


That design looks more than a little forward heavy.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 15:48:51


Post by: Cheese Elemental


Yeah, the Executioner cannon is a bit wide. I might magnetise them so I can get the far superior FW ones later.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 15:58:20


Post by: infilTRAITOR


It's a nice looking tank but part of me prefers the forge world one.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 16:01:02


Post by: blackdiamond


I magnetized these. I really like the look. I prefer the forward heavy look myself. It's the stubby Demolisher cannon I don't like (that's a separate project using FW parts).


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 16:31:40


Post by: Old Man Ultramarine


I like this Executioner cannon better. Looks like it could spit out 3 blast markers per shot,

I saw the "black box" release. Tank lost some detail on sides, including having the side doors modeled on. The tracks are now numbered and fit nicely into the slots.

Overall, I may get a couple for a PDF IG army I regularily think about.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 17:13:49


Post by: Schepp himself


Damn that thing is penis-shaped!

Greets
Schepp himself


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 17:15:36


Post by: hammerofulric


Schepp himself wrote:Damn that thing is penis-shaped!


Then you need to see a doctor


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 17:18:37


Post by: Cheese Elemental


Schepp himself wrote:Damn that thing is penis-shaped!

Greets
Schepp himself

Just wait till you see the Stompa/Gargant's 'groin cannon'.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 17:30:17


Post by: AlfredTheStrange


Any picks of the Gatling cannon?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 17:38:03


Post by: dumbuket


Wow that turret is ugly. Up until now I was thinking about getting some of these kits to build up as executioners, but that has got to be the stupidest looking turret I've ever seen.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 18:19:22


Post by: Sincity


Thanks for the photo , I now know that I don't have to come up with $150.00 in Aug. to buy these.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 20:42:57


Post by: Oshova


I just finished the store executioner today . . . Plasma cannon sponsons, and lascannon out the front . . . that's 1 lascannon shot, and 5 plasma cannon shots a turn! But a shocking 255 points! But it's going to look awesome when I finish painting it =]


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:25:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Oh God... that's awful.

I'll stick to my FW Executioner thanks.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:28:05


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


My only reraction is how bizzare a LR looks without the side sponsons after seeing them on LRs for the last 15 years.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:34:00


Post by: blackdiamond


Putting on the sponsons would have been a better representation of the model, but I was essentially building them for myself as well. I don't use sponsons with my current "fast attack" list, so I skipped them for now. If you're doing a lot of moving, sponsons are a point sink.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:36:34


Post by: George Spiggott


H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh God... that's awful.

I'll stick to my FW Executioner thanks.

One wonders why GW didn't. Similarly I wonder why they didn't use Forgeworld’s 'Alpha' pattern Leman Russ chassis when they redesigned it.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:37:22


Post by: Clang


I like the look a lot. Yes this particular variant looks a little front-heavy, but then so does the standard Russ - at least now the turret is a believable size. Maybe adding some more bulk to the back of the turret would help with the front-heavyness?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:41:50


Post by: blackdiamond


I guess it's all a matter of taste. I argued last week about how I thought the standard Russ was understood to be unattractive. However, I really like the look of this Executioner turret.

I've been waiting over a month now for my Alpha pattern kits from Forge World....


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:42:16


Post by: Redemption


AlfredTheStrange wrote:Any picks of the Gatling cannon?


http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3685931&postcount=194

Also has a pic of the executioner painted, with plasma cannon sponsons. I don't think it looks that bad to be honest, I'll probably get two once I start building up my IG army.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:44:05


Post by: RogueMarket


They shoulda revamped the leman russ chasis more hehe.

BIG PLASAMA gotta admit lol


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:46:59


Post by: smiling Assassin


Don't want to go over any sharp crests in that baby.

sA


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 21:59:54


Post by: Oshova


Personally I prefer this shape of the Executioner to the FW version . . . but the front-heavyness is certainly a problem. But once you have been making the model for half an hour the turret looks fine, you just need to get used the proportions of the model.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 22:18:00


Post by: blackdiamond


Check out the link that Redemption included. The turret doesn't seem so large with the tank painted (is it camouflaged?). The sponsons also seem to balance it.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 22:23:08


Post by: Wrexasaur


I think it looks a bit strange, although I am not a huge fan of the Imperial tanks either way. The only thing I think when I see these tanks move is "It is going to smash it's gun into the ground every time it stops."

If you think about it a little bit more, these turrets should add a s10 auto-hit on a tank shock . BAM!
Gretchin could roll a 4+ to fit inside the cannon when it hits and avoid the damage altogether "Phew!".


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 22:32:52


Post by: Redemption


Wrexasaur wrote:The only thing I think when I see these tanks move is "It is going to smash it's gun into the ground every time it stops."


Hey, this is the 41st millenium! Of course they have the technology to quickly rotate the turret 90 degrees to the side before making a full stop!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 22:38:24


Post by: Wrexasaur


Hmm... I am imagining tank trick shots. Like a tank Endo around a corner so you can get a quick round off into a swarm, then back up and flank from the side.

Endo... http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/dictionary/photos/Endo.jpg

Damn... why didn't I become a tank commander?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/19 22:43:17


Post by: warpcrafter


I am in lust with that tank. 5 plasma cannon shots? Yeah!!!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 04:07:31


Post by: Alpharius


Here I was thinking that GW was going to save me money (heh heh!) by allowing me to avoid a Forgeworld purchase.

There goes that idea, which is a shame as I like the "mini-plasmablastgun" look of this one.

Turns out it isn't so "mini"...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 05:06:40


Post by: JohnHwangDD


OK, I can adapt that bit to make a min-Plasmablastgun SPG...

Maybe I will...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 05:10:29


Post by: H.B.M.C.


FW Executioner Complete Kit = £29.35
New Executioner = $29.35

No difference in cost.

Sure, you don't get any Plasma Sponsons, but if you own any of the new Sentinel kits it shouldn't be had to McGyver up some ones of your own.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 05:23:32


Post by: Avariel


Are all the options like Hull heavy flamer and Hull heavy bolter included in this box?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 05:35:46


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Yes. GW doesn't leave anything out these days.

Except the Accessoryr Sprue.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 06:01:03


Post by: BrassScorpion


Avariel wrote:Are all the options like Hull heavy flamer and Hull heavy bolter included in this box?

All of the sponson options and hull weapon options are included: heavy flamers, heavy bolters, multi-meltas and plasma cannons as well as a lascannon.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 06:23:46


Post by: Flachzange


I actually kinda like it ...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 06:35:57


Post by: Hulksmash


I like it and it's gonna look bomb on my alpha hulls. I've got 3 of them that I use for command tanks. Just gonna have to switch out two of their sponsons for more plasma


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 06:48:52


Post by: blackdiamond


If you want to use turrets from this kit on other tanks, you'll need to modify them to fit. The holes in older Russes are much larger.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 07:26:06


Post by: Khornatedemon


I definitely agree on the mini plasma blastgun awesomeness of it. I think you can firmly see an evolution in size among plasma weapons these days going from pistol to titan weapon and I like the consistency for once.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 11:47:45


Post by: Oshova


warpcrafter wrote:I am in lust with that tank. 5 plasma cannon shots? Yeah!!!


That is why it's my favourite too . . . but sadly doesn't fit in well with my Catachan themed army =[ . . . just need to buy a Cadian army aswell =p


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 14:03:47


Post by: jamunition


What the hell is this?!?!

I'm not joking i really don't like it as its a bit bloody huge.

This is just my opinion though


Edit: Wooooops what is that next post thing anyway it scares me


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 14:08:33


Post by: Frazzled


Cheese Elemental wrote:Yeah, the Executioner cannon is a bit wide. I might magnetise them so I can get the far superior FW ones later.

I'd proffer: Magnetize so you can make any version you want. For the Executioner find two plasma cannon and put them together-which fits more thematically anyway with multiple blasts machine gun style. This model looks like it should be firing an armageddon sized template (FW was definitely better).


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 14:12:32


Post by: Railguns


And you guys EXPLODED when I said the standard Russ cannon was too big and chunky.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 14:37:11


Post by: Bla_Ze


I love it, its body/gun ratio is almost as great as my own body/penis ratio. which obviously makes it epic.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 15:47:33


Post by: Redemption


blackdiamond wrote:Check out the link that Redemption included. The turret doesn't seem so large with the tank painted (is it camouflaged?). The sponsons also seem to balance it.


Actually, the left tank in your picture seems to be missing a part; the bottom of where the barrel meets the turret? The gap probably indicates the barrel should be mounted a little bit up and inwards, which I suppose makes the barrel look longer. Of course, the black colour used in the painted one makes it look smaller as well.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 16:04:02


Post by: redstripe


Bla_Ze wrote:I love it, its body/gun ratio is almost as great as my own body/penis ratio. which obviously makes it epic.


Well done.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 16:05:56


Post by: blackdiamond


Actually, the left tank in your picture seems to be missing a part; the bottom of where the barrel meets the turret? The gap probably indicates the barrel should be mounted a little bit up and inwards, which I suppose makes the barrel look longer. Of course, the black colour used in the painted one makes it look smaller as well.


That's my fault. I magnetized both turrets and that one wasn't seated properly.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 16:15:30


Post by: Necros


Are the turret cannons easy to magnetize and modify like the way the shadowsword turret was? I'd like to be able to switch em around between the plasma or punisher or others. I'm going to pick one up but build it without sponsons, then I'll have 1 russ body with 3 heavy bolters, a 2nd with LC/Plasma and a 3rd with just a front gun.. then I can switch em all around depending on what I want in my list.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 16:20:48


Post by: blackdiamond


It was incredibly easy to magnetize. In fact, when I trimmed the barrel piece to make room, it opened up a circular hole of the same size as my magnet.

Magnetizing sponsons is a little trickier. You need to plan this *before* you put your treads together since there is no longer a side access door. I didn't realize that, so I'll be prying up a track piece to do these.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Details I posted on my blog:

No vehicle accessory sprue. It didn't come in the box. I'm not sure if it will be included in future kits. The antennas in this photo are from Leman Russ sprues.
No tread wheels. You know, the ones that take extra time to assemble but nobody can see? They've been replaced by four posts. Hardcore modelers lament. The rest of us thank GW for the reduced assembly time. Thought question: How simplified can a model kit become before it's a toy? Tread assembly is also idiot proof now, with grooves for perfect tread placement. I put three current style Leman Russ tread assemblies together this weekend and the instructions weren't even right, let alone foolproof.
No side panels. The side panel is sculpted into the tread assembly. Sponsons are added over this. If you want to magnetize your sponsons, be sure to add the interior magnet before you glue your treads on. On the other hand, without the wheels getting in the way, it's not a critical fail if you forget (which I did). Just hold your magnet on the outside of the tread assembly and drop in a magnet with some glue on it. It will jump to the right place.
Turrets not interchangeable. The Leman Russ turret (and Forge World variants) do not fit on the Demolisher. Sure, you can shave off the bottom of the turret and glue on metal washers, but that's a hassle. For some reason, Games Workshop wants to make it very clear that this kit is not compatible with the current or future Leman Russ kits. I personally think they should have included another sprue of cannons and eliminated the stand-alone Russ kit.
Plastic. Everything is plastic and tightly packed on several sprues.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 16:27:40


Post by: Necros


Oh... well, crap. if the turrets aren't interchangeable then there goes my whole plan. Also not liking how there's no accessory sprue. Oh well, GW just lost $49.50


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 18:14:11


Post by: Xyxox


Sprue photos are up at BOLS.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 21:18:07


Post by: Crablezworth


I can't believe the hatch is fixed to the turret. That's just slowed. I love being able to swap between a stubber/storm bolter/closed hatch/ tank commander and now that's impossible. feth you gw.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 21:21:40


Post by: blackdiamond


Crablezworth wrote:I can't believe the hatch is fixed to the turret. That's just slowed. I love being able to swap between a stubber/storm bolter/closed hatch/ tank commander and now that's impossible. feth you gw.


The hatch is not fixed.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 21:28:09


Post by: Redemption


Xyxox wrote:Sprue photos are up at BOLS.


For the lazy gits (or the ones that don't know BOLS ): http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/07/40k-sneak-peek-leman-russ-demolisher.html

Shows the non-fixxed hatch and the new turret attachment.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 21:29:36


Post by: Crablezworth


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4nzgPbHlNo4/SmP2_Ow7m4I/AAAAAAAAFgY/QSRpvek89t0/s1600-h/bols-lr-01.jpg

looks pretty stuck to the turret to me

I think I'm confusing things, the "hatch housing" or cupola or whatever the circular part is called. My point is you're stuck with the way you build it unlike the old model in which you can switch up whatever you want.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 21:34:04


Post by: blackdiamond


The turret *ring* is attached, yes. The hatch is not.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 22:01:53


Post by: George Spiggott


The hull top is on the same sprue as the turret guns, all is not lost for the standard Leman Russ being an Alpha pattern hull. I also see that they've changed the diameter of the turret ring, bless their little cotton socks, owners of current Forgeworld turrets will be pleased.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 22:04:54


Post by: Sarge


GW apparently wants all plasma guns to look like the titan class versions. Kinda silly on the tank. I like the FW ones better too. If they're the same price, it makes it even easier. Plus I'd suspect you'll get the updated kit with the FW version so you can magnetize everything to your heart's content.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 22:15:33


Post by: rryannn


wow. it actually includes 3x hb. How nice!!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 22:49:12


Post by: Rangerrob


Wow...The Plasma Cannon being that big, the Tank should have to check for a "Gets Hot".


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/20 23:18:49


Post by: Oshova


OK so everyone is complaining about there being no accessory sprue . . . but who's to say that there isn't going to be one in the box . . . just because there wasn't one in the Black Box doesn't mean there won't be one in full box. After all the 2 sprues are interchangeable with the ones out of the current LR sprues, other than the accessory sprue in there. So maybe the accessory sprue is the same as the current one.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/21 14:40:01


Post by: Frazzled


This is true.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/21 22:52:20


Post by: BrassScorpion


The accessory sprue has some nice items on it, but for game play by the new IG Codex it is superfluous. All essential parts like the top hatch for the Demolisher and Hellhound models are now on the only 2 sprues that come in the box for each of these kits.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/21 22:56:06


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Where are the Pintle Guns? And Hunter-Killer missile?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/21 23:00:22


Post by: Redemption


BrassScorpion wrote:The accessory sprue has some nice items on it, but for game play by the new IG Codex it is superfluous. All essential parts like the top hatch for the Demolisher and Hellhound models are now on the only 2 sprues that come in the box for each of these kits.


Some of the upgrades like the Dozer Blade, Hunter Killer Missile or pintle-mounted weapons aren't on the new sprues, so you'd still need an accesoires sprue for those.

Edit: Too slow


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/21 23:06:43


Post by: Bla_Ze


This obviously brings to the conclusion that there is another sprue in the box.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/21 23:16:52


Post by: BrookM


Bla_Ze wrote:This obviously brings to the conclusion that there is another sprue in the box.
I wouldn't be too sure of that.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 01:46:49


Post by: JohnHwangDD


BrookM wrote:
Bla_Ze wrote:This obviously brings to the conclusion that there is another sprue in the box.
I wouldn't be too sure of that.

Agreed.

Actually, GW should pull the accessory sprues from *all* IG tanks and then start selling IG accessory sprues a la carte in a few months...

This would make them lots of PROFIT!

DO YOU HEAR ME, GW?!?







New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 03:00:13


Post by: glon52


I have 6 of the accessory spures left over from my Chimera's. Most are just missing the flamer & a smoke launcher.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 03:37:59


Post by: BrassScorpion


The accessory sprue is already available from the GW Bitz Pack service and has been available that way for many months. It is also still included with the existing IG kits that are not yet being reissued. Anyone building a new IG army will still have optional bits from the accessory sprues from building the Chimera and regular Leman Russ and they can buy additional accessory sprues from the Bitz Pack service. As for the new Demolisher and Hellhound kits, it's not an accident that all the essential bits for those vehicles are now on just two sprues each. If you're expecting the accessory sprue to be included in those kits, that might be construed as unfounded optimism.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 03:41:18


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The price of the Leman Russ and Chimera went up when the new accessory sprue was introduced. Now it's not there, the price is the same (higher, actually) and we're expected to buy it separately?

No thanks.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:08:56


Post by: blackdiamond


We still don't know if the sprue is included or not.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:17:34


Post by: BrassScorpion


The following text from the GW online store clearly shows the accessory sprue is not included. Everything listed is on 2 sprues. One industrious person commenting on BoLS even went so far as to count the bits on the 2 sprues for the Demolisher and found it matches the following text:

"This 98-piece kit includes all of the sponson and hull-mounted weapon options available to Leman Russ tank variants, including: a lascannon, heavy bolters, heavy flamers, multi-meltas, and plasma cannons. Also included are a Tank Commander, smoke launchers, and a sheet of water slide transfers."
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1430057&prodId=prod50019a


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:29:45


Post by: Bla_Ze


I'm at loss for words... they removed the pinte mounted weapons...? that has been inclucled since what? 2ed?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:30:38


Post by: Cheese Elemental


Of course they're still in the kit, GW may be greedy, but they don't want to lose players.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:46:50


Post by: H.B.M.C.


No they just want to lose veteran players.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:51:46


Post by: blackdiamond


H.B.M.C. wrote:No they just want to lose veteran players.


Knuckleheaded move on GW's part. I would think this is more of a hit to new players. I've got bit boxes full of everything on that accessory sprue already.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 04:56:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


It's not a bad move by GW at all. Veteran Gamers, like Tournament Gamers, exist on the fringe of the GW hobby, and get in the way more than they help the game. Once GW can eliminate Veteran Gamers and Tournament gamers, then they can really get to work - tank kits that don't even contain all the parts, let alone the accessory sprue, so you have to buy two boxes to get a single tank, Infantry sprues that contain models from different races, so you have to play two races.

And they'll double the prices on everything. And that's after they double the price.

They'll also send cease and desist orders to all stores that are discounting their products, telling those stores to actually increase the prices, making GW stores the actual discount stores.

Meanwhile Jervis will continue to write congratulatory letters to himself that he can publish in WD and pretend they came from other people.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 12:25:32


Post by: Balance


H.B.M.C. wrote:The price of the Leman Russ and Chimera went up when the new accessory sprue was introduced. Now it's not there, the price is the same (higher, actually) and we're expected to buy it separately?


It would be somewhat understandable if GW priced based on the sprue count, so if the new kit has more sprues... But I'm guessing this isn't the case.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 12:38:09


Post by: covenant84


I don't like it. The huge gun's bad enough but call me picky - I like those separate bits (little hatches for the sides, separate grille on top etc). They give more freedom to customise and if you use the sponsons those little hatches come in very handy for detailing other bits. I won't be buying it, I'll be going for FW versions. Thanks for the dissapointment GW!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 12:50:43


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Well I can confirm that it does not have the accessory sprue in it.

Tzscrewed again. Thanks GW.

Who knows, maybe GW realised that when someone bought a lot of tanks (like me), they got a lot of accessory sprues (like I have), and that as each accessory sprue has a complete Cadian on it (useful, no?), someone with enough tanks (like me) could actually start building squads out of those bitz (like I have), thereby giving them free models (depending on your definition of 'free'), and cutting them out of sales of infantry. This also explains why 20 Cadians went from $50 to $70.

No that last paragraph wasn't serious.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 13:13:49


Post by: Frazzled


BrookM wrote:
Bla_Ze wrote:This obviously brings to the conclusion that there is another sprue in the box.
I wouldn't be too sure of that.


Agreed. It could be, but not necessarily.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 13:16:00


Post by: Snord


I'm fairly sure that HBMC is unhappy with the new Russ...

I'm still not sure about the revised turret. The existing Russ turret needed to be wider and taller, but their redesign looks sort of squashed and front-heavy, and with the demolisher cannon fitted the proportions look off. However, I think it looks quite good with that massive plasma cannon. It means it's not even pretending to be a realistic tank - it's clearly a sci-fi model.

The redesigned hull is a mixed bag. There are some good new details, like improved exhausts. I'm not so keen on the side escape hatches and cupola not being separate pieces. I always disliked the fact that there are 2 excape hatches on each side, and they will be harder to hide now if the sponsons aren't fitted (applique armour on the sides will do it, but it means hacking the hatches off). The revised tracks are a good idea, although I didn't have any problem with the Russ's tracks (the Chimera's were always fiddly though). Obviously it's a big plus getting all the weapon options, and that seems to have taken precedence over providing other parts separately. Overall, it's more of a wargaming model and less of a kit, if that makes sense.

It seems pretty clear the accessory sprue won't be included, as some of the bits that are (were) on it are now on these 2 sprues (the searchlight, for instance, and the smoke dischargers). That's a shame, as there were several really useful bits on that sprue, like the jerrycans, packs, blanket rolls, fuel tank, tow cable and dozer blade. And, as has been pointed out, the pintle weapon options aren't included on the new sprues (although, curiously, the turret cupola has a mounting point for the pintle-mounted weapon). I suppose there's a chance there will be a revised Guard tank accessory sprue at some point.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 13:16:49


Post by: Frazzled


H.B.M.C. wrote:The price of the Leman Russ and Chimera went up when the new accessory sprue was introduced. Now it's not there, the price is the same (higher, actually) and we're expected to buy it separately?

No thanks.


Agreed. As noted, Tamiya makes better accessories. Further, in the US you can get them at every Hobby Lobby bopping around.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 13:17:49


Post by: BrookM


The Leman Russ Demolisher and Hellhound boxes will be of the same format at the Ork Trukk, which are 3,5 cm's or one inch and a little bit on top of that. Just enough room for two sprues. All part of GW's business plan to put more boxes on the shelves, hence the elimination of "redundant" parts and extra sprues.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 15:00:15


Post by: BrassScorpion


Check out this close up look at the two sprues out of the actual retail box at Work In Progress.

There are copies of GW advertising pictures at that link as well. Most of the weapons in the pictures are glued on upside down!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 15:42:01


Post by: Sarge


Unless you guys have seen something I haven't, I'd assume the accessory spure is still in there. It isn't a new sprue, so why show it off?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 15:47:14


Post by: Cane


Considering that the box art has no pintle mounted weapon or even track guards I think its safe to assume that people will have to buy them separately.

Pretty sure they already sell this accessory sprue online as well.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 15:53:25


Post by: Osbad


The whole LR concept is just laughably unfeasible. To me that's the end of it. The LR is a contender alongside Nagash as one of GW's worst looking models EVAR! The enormous, genital-shaped appendage on this version just multiplied that by x2.

Of course that's only my personal aesthetic values speaking.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 15:54:30


Post by: BrookM


melon-fething witches did the heavy bolter upside down? The feth.. Oh wait.



New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 16:29:44


Post by: blackdiamond


I'll be stocking the accessory sprue in my store. I would expect it to be one of those direct items that many pro-active stores will carry, along with meltaguns, flamers, bike bases, etc. The tank accessory sprue goes for $15:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1290051&rootCatGameStyle=

I'm very curious about the Tamiya accessories. We don't have Hobby Lobby in the West, so if someone could post a link, that would be helpful.

As for a smaller box, I suppose it's honest, at least. I just wish the price was reduced as well (the Ork Trukk is $30).

Oh yeah - finished painting these. I like it even more now. I'm also gaining a better appreciation of the Russ design. I think maybe the Leman Russ doesn't photograph well. Yeah, that's it. It's not photogenic but has that "in person" beauty.





New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 16:34:11


Post by: BrassScorpion


melon-fething witches did the heavy bolter upside down? The feth.. Oh wait.

The weapons are glued on upside down in the pictures from what appears to be the back of the box or an advert, not the picture on the front box cover. Link again or see below.

Pretty sure they already sell this accessory sprue online as well.

Yes, again, the accessory sprue is already available from the GW online store and has been for months.

Upside down weapon pics from GW as posted on Work In Progress. The Heavy Bolter and sponson weapons are upside down in these GW promotional photos:



If you go to Work In Progress, there's also a small pic from the back of the box showing the hull Heavy Flamer option and that also appears to be upside down.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 16:37:17


Post by: Redemption


Nice work, and with the paintjob they look smaller too IMHO, as long as you don't paint them some bright colour.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 16:43:57


Post by: ArbitorIan


PENIS CANNON! BEWARE THE PENIS CANNON!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 17:01:19


Post by: Panic


yeah,
"'I am the cock comander 'Drive me closer I want to hit them with my.....'"

"I am the master of the cock! Remember this Gakking face. Wherever you see cock, you'll see this gakking face! I make that gak work! No one rules the cock like me. Not this little Gakk, none of you little gaks out there. I am the Cock commander! When it comes down to business, this is what I do. I pinch it like this. Ooh, you little gak. Then I rub my nose..."

PAnic...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/22 17:10:21


Post by: Bla_Ze


Osbad wrote:The whole LR concept is just laughably unfeasible. To me that's the end of it. The LR is a contender alongside Nagash as one of GW's worst looking models EVAR! The enormous, genital-shaped appendage on this version just multiplied that by x2.

Of course that's only my personal aesthetic values speaking.


If you got no love for the russ, dont fraggin buy it.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 15:18:27


Post by: Wehrkind


One thing that bothers me about that oversized cannon is that it looks like it should fire a large blast, not three smaller blasts. A three barreled blasma cannon set up would have looked a little better I think, and avoided the "14' phallus" issue.

I think I will try and scab some sentinel plasma cannons for my russes, and use the stock cannon for a knight titan of some sort.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 15:23:58


Post by: Oshova


Yeah a triple-barreled plasma cannon would have looked cool . . . probably cooler than this cannon . . . but that doesn't stop me liking the Executioner Cannon =]


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 15:25:19


Post by: combat engineer


Wow, I've had a total opinion reversal. Glad I kept my FW Executioner turrets. Can you show us pictures of the Punisher cannon?

Mat


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 15:39:32


Post by: Redemption


Found this pic of a display Leman Russ, shows how easy the turret, hull mounted and sponson weapons can be switched out, also shows it in a nice camo paint job:



New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 15:42:18


Post by: BrassScorpion


that oversized cannon is that it looks like it should fire a large blast, not three smaller blasts

Discussing realism or plausibility for 40K is generally a tar pit of superfluousness, but it is interesting to note in light of the above comment that the Plasma Blast gun, after which this new Russ Executioner design was clearly modeled, can do either. It can fire a single massive blast or two slightly less massive blasts.

However, for me, I'm not too sure what "it looks like it should fire" because I've never actually seen a working plasma cannon.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 15:51:59


Post by: blackdiamond


Redemption wrote:Found this pic of a display Leman Russ, shows how easy the turret, hull mounted and sponson weapons can be switched out, also shows it in a nice camo paint job:


The good news is the sponsons and front weapons will stay put without any effort (one of mine is stuck!). However, the turrets are not going to be interchangable without magnets. There's nothing to hold them there. Magnetizing the turrets is really, really easy.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 17:34:57


Post by: George Spiggott


I checked out a Plasma Russ today in my local FLGS and I take back what I said about the cannon (based upon the picture). It does look in proportion with the rest of the tank, it looks good. however the disparity of design quality between the turret and the hull is even more apparent in real life.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 18:56:35


Post by: Oshova


The proportions are good, we've had a few comments made about it, but after having some time with it on the battlefield or whatever the general consensus is good =]


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 19:14:33


Post by: BrassScorpion


I'm impressed with the new kit after having built two of the variants for a local GW store. I think the new weapon bits look just fine, in fact better than fine. It is quite expensive, but I have no complaints about the look or quality. Also, the new weapon bits will fit on an older Russ without too much trouble if you happen to have some sitting around. In my case, I've been saving my Apoc. bundle deal of Russ tanks for some of the newer parts. I will post a conversion article on adding new parts to older Russ models on BoLS and here once the kit is released on August 1.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 19:26:43


Post by: BrookM


The tank looks better irl. Especially the Executioner variant.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 19:33:30


Post by: Nurglitch


BrookM:

GW models usually do. Sometimes I wonder why they're so hard to photograph well.

George Spiggott:

How do you mean the "design disparity"? In your opinion is the turret better or worse quality than the hull? Because I kind of like the new turret, but it makes an already tall tank look kind of top heavy.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 22:50:33


Post by: George Spiggott


Nurglitch wrote:How do you mean the "design disparity"? In your opinion is the turret better or worse quality than the hull? Because I kind of like the new turret, but it makes an already tall tank look kind of top heavy.

The hull is less well designed/modern/realistic/whatever than the turret, it just looks wrong to my eyes the two parts do not have the same aesthetic, they jar, they don't appear to be part of the same tank. The new turret is longer and wider making the tank look less tall. I like the turret, the hull is showing its age, it's too boxy for the turret.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/23 23:04:52


Post by: BrookM


I do like the new tank commander head of the Russ though, has a nice crash helmet again.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/24 00:48:54


Post by: Nurglitch


George Spiggott:

I thought you meant that. Just checking though. From the bits on the sprue I figured it wouldn't be too hard to lower the tracks for a Tiger-style of tank with a big boxy hull. I'd leave off the sponsons to match my other attempts at Mars Alpha Pattern hulls, and cut just above the front sprocket wheel, and leave off the front gun mount for a recessed mount. At least I won't have to recentre the turrent mount.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/24 17:33:26


Post by: Abadabadoobaddon


Wehrkind wrote:One thing that bothers me about that oversized cannon is that it looks like it should fire a large blast, not three smaller blasts. A three barreled blasma cannon set up would have looked a little better I think, and avoided the "14' phallus" issue.

I don't know about you, but my 14' phallus shoots a series of smaller blasts rather than a single large one.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/24 19:10:48


Post by: Nurglitch


It wouldn't be too hard to mount three bits of plastic tubing in the Executioner's barrel, to give it three separate nozzles. Or we could just imagine it fires pulses like a Plasma Gun, just the size of Plasma Cannon blasts.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/24 20:02:29


Post by: Oshova


Yeah just don't put the end of the gun in, put the tubing in, then greenstuff round it to make the barrel look complete . . . would be worth looking into, might have to see how it works out.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 01:58:02


Post by: H.B.M.C.


One thing I do like is the fact that they've stuck with the old-style Heavy Flamers. Nice touch.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 02:56:10


Post by: Nurglitch


I think the important thing is what kind of hat the tank commander is wearing.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 02:58:12


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I have a stash of the cool hats, and I'm not letting go of them!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 03:37:48


Post by: Alpharius


Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Wehrkind wrote:One thing that bothers me about that oversized cannon is that it looks like it should fire a large blast, not three smaller blasts. A three barreled blasma cannon set up would have looked a little better I think, and avoided the "14' phallus" issue.

I don't know about you, but my 14' phallus shoots a series of smaller blasts rather than a single large one.


Hyperbole alert!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 06:21:31


Post by: dumbuket


BrookM wrote:I do like the new tank commander head of the Russ though, has a nice crash helmet again.


Agreed. Having finally seen it in person, I've reversed my opinion and plan to buy two.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 08:15:48


Post by: karnaeya


Looks good painted red.. unpaintexd =meh


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 08:18:25


Post by: LunaHound



The large plasma cannon , does it have option to turn into seige tank?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 15:58:01


Post by: BrookM


LunaHound wrote:The large plasma cannon , does it have option to turn into seige tank?
Buy codex young one. Or boxed set for option of three magic tank of death. It come in magic balls of sun, earthwork removing explosions or gun of rippling silk.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 16:11:09


Post by: The Angry Commissar


most pepl seem to like this model. i personally think that gun looks way to big. i rele think the reg demolisher cannon makes a better looking "plasma blast gun"


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 16:56:57


Post by: Scottywan82


The Angry Commissar wrote:most pepl seem to like this model. i personally think that gun looks way to big. i rele think the reg demolisher cannon makes a better looking "plasma blast gun"


I scratch out my eyes.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 17:03:32


Post by: BrookM


Scottywan82 wrote:
The Angry Commissar wrote:most pepl seem to like this model. i personally think that gun looks way to big. i rele think the reg demolisher cannon makes a better looking "plasma blast gun"


I scratch out my eyes.
I usually track them down and skull-feth them with a rusty spoon.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 17:20:35


Post by: Scottywan82


BrookM wrote:
Scottywan82 wrote:
The Angry Commissar wrote:most pepl seem to like this model. i personally think that gun looks way to big. i rele think the reg demolisher cannon makes a better looking "plasma blast gun"


I scratch out my eyes.
I usually track them down and [expletive deleted] them with a rusty spoon.


I can get behind that. Consider your alibi rock solid.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 17:26:24


Post by: JohnHwangDD


BrookM wrote:I usually track them down and [expletive deleted] them with a rusty spoon.

awesome bypass of the filter!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 17:37:44


Post by: BrookM


Oops I guess?


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 20:03:45


Post by: SickBunny


What I find funny is that in all of the preview pictures by GW, the gunmantlet for the Punisher Cannon is not built correctly...

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3685931&postcount=194

They have completely left off the lower half of it...

And yeah... I built our shops preview models without instructions as well...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 20:09:36


Post by: LunaHound


BrookM wrote:
LunaHound wrote:The large plasma cannon , does it have option to turn into seige tank?
Buy codex young one. Or boxed set for option of three magic tank of death. It come in magic balls of sun, earthwork removing explosions or gun of rippling silk.


This is what i meant D: the new plasma cannon reminds me of Arclite Cannon in siege mode


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 20:21:40


Post by: The Angry Commissar


SickBunny wrote:What I find funny is that in all of the preview pictures by GW, the gunmantlet for the Punisher Cannon is not built correctly...

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3685931&postcount=194

They have completely left off the lower half of it...


i like that executioner more but id still using my demolisher model =). actually i dont even run the executioner cuz its too expensive. i rock the demolisher!


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 20:41:28


Post by: Railguns


Gun of Rippling Silk? That sounds so elegant and sophisticated.


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/25 21:02:45


Post by: JohnHwangDD


BrookM wrote:Oops I guess?

Yeah, but you probably ought to edit it...

Some of the Mods have a hard-on for that kind of thing...


New Demolisher Kit (built as Executioner) Photos @ 2009/07/26 02:18:11


Post by: Alpharius


They sure do...