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Post by: garret
Because i get this kinda tough and unforgiving warrior but a benovelent ruler.
Or is he like the inquisiters. killing anyone who questioned him?
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Post by: Golden Eyed Scout
Read the Horus Heresy books, that should prolly give you some insight. But I've only read the first one so they might paint him in a different light.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
"What was the Emprah like?" I hear you say?
HE....WAS....AWESOOOOOOOOOOOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Cocaloch
Militant atheist!
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Post by: Manchu
"Machine, heal thyself."
He was great. Unless you read The Last Church by Graham McNeill.
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Post by: cadbren
Agreed, he was a militant atheist. He appears in the HH books a couple of times, specifically Legion and Tales of Heresy. In Legion he's described as having some terrifying ambition. In Tales you get a glimpse of the man who created the Crusade to unite humanity and who hated religion.
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I forgot about Mechanicum, yes, we see him on Mars and what he can do and why some of the Adepts there regarded him as their Omnissiah.
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Post by: Manchu
cadbren wrote:I forgot about Mechanicum, yes, we see him on Mars and what he can do and why some of the Adepts there regarded him as their Omnissiah.
IMO: His appearance in Mechanicum, which I was alluding to, makes me think he was not the militant atheist he seemed--rather clearing the field for his own theology about the divinity of mankind.
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Post by: cadbren
Perhaps he just treated the mechanicum differently because he needed them onside. For all his antagonism towards religion he didn't seem to have any problem with the martian religion and he seems to have done nothing to improve knowledge of the sciences amongst the general populace of the imperium. He withheld potentially vital information about the nature of the warp and simply demanded obedience.
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Post by: Manchu
cadbren wrote:For all his antagonism towards religion he didn't seem to have any problem with the martian religion
QFT
cadbren wrote:and he seems to have done nothing to improve knowledge of the sciences amongst the general populace of the imperium. He withheld potentially vital information about the nature of the warp and simply demanded obedience.
Please elaborate. This seems to ignore the purpose and initial effects of the Great Crusade.
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Post by: Nightwatch
To be honest, I think he was one of those people who do unneccessary things for the common good 
unite humanity but everyone hates their life!
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Post by: Xav
Well if everyone knew about the warp and showed it then there wouldnt be many Humans left, in Mechanicum someone saw the vastness of the Galaxy and how insiginfance there where and killed themselves, imagine what it would do to humanity to know there are terrible deamons on the edge of the world ready to break through and devour them.
He didnt know that much himself.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
I think the Emperor was (as I have already expressed) awesome. But in all seriousness, I think the Chaplians (Space Marine) description of him is pretty acurrate.
Not a god. A great man, a man who could unite humanity and lead them to their destiny amosgt the distant stars, a man whose like shall never be seen again, but still a man.
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Post by: Manchu
Well put. But He became more.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Only through sacrifice. HEY! Guess who else is cool through thier sacrifice? That's right...Sanguinius. lol
Humanity, in the wake of those dark days, NEEDED some or something to draw strength from. The Emprah was an obvious choice. Perhaps the Emperor had intended a more BROAD worship of mankinds divinity and destiny, rather than being the centre of attention.
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Post by: Manchu
Emperors Faithful wrote:Only through sacrifice. HEY! Guess who else is cool through thier sacrifice? That's right...Sanguinius. lol
Agree 100%. This is at least the fourth time I've posted how I'd like nothing more than to see a Russ/Sanguinius tag team all over Chaos.
Emperors Faithful wrote:The Emprah was an obvious choice. Perhaps the Emperor had intended a more BROAD worship of mankinds divinity and destiny, rather than being the centre of attention.
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Post by: Xav
Lol Sanguinius is dead, and russ is gods no where, great Russ.
"I will be back for the wulfen" stupid Russ.
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Post by: Manchu
Xav wrote:Lol Sanguinius is dead, and russ is gods no where, great Russ.
"I will be back for the wulfen" stupid Russ.
Fighting words, Xav, fighting words. Come the Wolftime, when Russ comes back with the Empra, don't be surprised to see Sanguinius somehow with them. Then even Mork and Gork will shudder in their calloused green hides.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
If a moment comes where the Emprah is re-incarnated, and Russ returns with a Revived Sanguinius (doubt last part), then not only will Mork and Gork be shuddering, they'll be crapping gretchin out in thier healthy fear of that awesome TAG TEAM!!!!
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Post by: Xav
Lol, well in the Deamon hunters book called "Hammer of Daemons" the grey knight has some weird vision where there are all the imperial forces one side all primarchs, emporer and dead space marines etc.
The other side is all powers of chaos, all chaos deamons, and deamon princes and stuff and traitors, maybe thats what russ was refereing to.
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Post by: Manchu
Yeah, it's called Ragnarok. Or at least that's what I;m guessing GW would go with.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Guess where Ragnorok originatec from?
Viking legend, thier "Apocalypse", so yeah, it suits Russ.
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Post by: cadbren
Manchu wrote:
cadbren wrote:and he seems to have done nothing to improve knowledge of the sciences amongst the general populace of the imperium. He withheld potentially vital information about the nature of the warp and simply demanded obedience.
Please elaborate. This seems to ignore the purpose and initial effects of the Great Crusade.
Re-thinking it, perhaps his ultimate goals were more altruistic. I am skeptical though of how the mechanicum was given pretty much free reign over how technology developed. Technology was allowed to be bound up in the chains of religion with no thought to teaching the principles behind the tech so that it could be advanced properly and be better maintained. The Mechanicum book mentions what an offence it is to tamper with machines, which shows how initiative in regards to working with machines is abhorred by the Imperium from the start. Maybe it was a convenient way to prevent another AI war from happening and things would have improved once the Imperium stabilised, we'll never know. Likewise we'll never know how much the Emperor knew about the threat of chaos before it arrived, obviously he knew enough to quit the crusade and return to Earth to fortify it. I have to wonder if he'd been more open about his concerns whether the heresy would have become the mammoth that it did.
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Post by: Vulkan77
The Emporer was the only man to lead the snivelling warring factions of humanity into his light and any semblance of unity, To bring all men into the fold of 1 great Imperium was an awesome undertaking. The Emporer i think knew of chaos but chose to ignore it's taint until he had the majority of planets under control but never thought his most chosen "son" would ever turn which destoryed the plans for a harmonius human race, without heresy or xenos involved obviosly
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
It's quite ironic that repetively, the greatest threat to 40k races are themselves.
Humans : Horus Heresy
Eldar : The Fall
Orks : Other Orks
Necrons : C'tan (apparently they were tricked into a civil war)
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Post by: ChaoticOrkz
Emperors Faithful wrote:It's quite ironic that repetively, the greatest threat to 40k races are themselves.
Maybe just maybe GW is trying to help us understand that our biggest threat is ourselves! perhaps Examples may be Global warming and pollution (if you believe in global warming) and wars
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Emperors Faithful wrote:If a moment comes where the Emprah is re-incarnated, and Russ returns with a Revived Sanguinius (doubt last part), then not only will Mork and Gork be shuddering, they'll be crapping gretchin out in thier healthy fear of that awesome TAG TEAM!!!!
Don't you get it? Gork and Mork are the most powerful known Warp entities because there are literally septillions of Orks who all believe in them. For crying out loud, these guys mugged Khorne and push around the other gods for laughs.
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Post by: deadratman
Ok. Imagine a 10-foot high jesus christ who will kill anyone who decides to try and harm humanity.He was probably benelovent and as EF said,HE WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Xav
The fluff says when Gork and Mork awoke the Emporer and chaos gods trembled at there power.
At the emporer could take on the chaos gods, so no way can he stand Gork and Mork.
Russ and his edited by modquisiton fellow have no pyshic powers therefore cannot fight Gork and Mork.
Modquisition: gentlemen, language please.
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Post by: deadratman
THAT IS BLASPHOMEY!!!!!!
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
@Xav: You have failed me...for the last time. I don't recall the Emprah (or I have to admit, the Chaos gods) trembling at ANYTHING. Also, are you trying to say that Gork and Mork only came around when the Emprah was around? Coz at that time orksies where getting there asses kicked. Gork and Mork can't be all that great then...
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Post by: Manchu
That's right. If the Emperor trembled when the GorkaMork came to into being that makes them the youngest warp entities around, assuming that Slaanesh wasn't one of the supposedly trembling Chaos. Sounds, as I have often said, like these ork "gods" are either totally made up by the orks or--at the very least--the idea that they are so powerful is a product of Ork imagination. I know this much: the Emperor and the Chaos gods are actively involved in the material world. I've never heard an account of Gork and Mork doing that.
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Post by: Xav
Well ive heard it says Gork and Mork awoke, well i presumed that meant being created. But its probaly a million year slumber or something.
But the point is the Emporer wasnt totaly awesome.
Manchu and Emporers Faithful you are both biased on the subject of the emporer and the Imperium.
(No offensive intended) I am a Space marine player, but try to look at things from every angle and get an non-biased opinion outa myself.
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Post by: Manchu
Not really, Xav. I am also a Tau player and I think they have a great background. But I would never say that they could stand up to the Imperium no matter what kind of "they are so fething awesome" lines I could pull out of their codex. Similarly, I don't think the Orks are as great as many of their proponents claim. I think it is you who are biased on this issue, although not to a certain faction for the sake of its background, as you have a tendency to think of everything as primarily a question of population.
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Post by: Octavius Widowmaker
Actually the Emperor knew everything that was going to come to past.He allowed his sons to make the choice if they fell to chaos or not.If the Great Crusade had succeded then when the Necrons awoke there would be no massed armies to stop them.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
well I'm proud to say that with 3 different armies, they ALL serve the EMPRAH!
1) IG
2) Witch Hunters
3) BA
Also, where have Gork and Mork taken desiceve action? (And don't say they "gave ghazgkull a vision")
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Gork and Mork don't need to make decisions. Orks have no real ambition other than fight. They'd never wipe any race out if they're a good fight, because Orks aren't as fun to fight as, say, Space Marines.
Thus, Gork and Mork don't take much part in the Materium other than giving Weirdboyz their psychic powers and giving visions to certain Warbosses.
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Post by: Manchu
Cheese Elemental wrote:giving Weirdboyz their psychic powers
Sounds more like D&D than 40k.
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Post by: Beastmaster
If the emprah was able to win a war for rule over a galactic civilization, than you can assume he was pretty badass.
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Post by: daedalus-templarius
The Last Church is an interesting look at the Emperor before the start of the Great Crusade, where he is just beginning the ascent to his greatest ambition.
I surmised in another thread that perhaps the Emperor did forsee one of his sons falling to Chaos, and in that moment he could deal a devastating blow to them as they were more closely tied to the material realm. Of course, if that were the case you would think he would have acted more quickly than to allow the heresy to come to his doorstep (Terra). Maybe he was trying to lull the Chaos gods into coming into the material realm even more because they felt they were so close to success in the Heresy?
On him withholding information about the Warp, perhaps since he knew that the Chaos gods drew their power from "being known", or believed in, he chose to keep that information to himself in hopes to weaken them. Of course, then it all went straight to hell when they got ahold of Horus; not to mention Erubus(I think that's the right name) and the rest of the Word Bearers were already singing the Chaos god's praises.
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Post by: Grimpost
I wonder if he is a fan of house parties and Keg stands?
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
@Grimpost: Mabye, mabye not. One thing is for sure though. HE WOULD WIN!
NONE CAN OUTDRINK THE EMPRAH! NOT EVEN RUSS!!!
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Post by: Cosmic
The Emprah and his menz will make you dizzy blad!
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Post by: Manchu
Emperors Faithful wrote:NONE CAN OUTDRINK THE EMPRAH! NOT EVEN RUSS!!!
Actually, Russ did outdrink the Empra. EF, you gotta learn your fluff!
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Post by: Augustus
The Emperor was like Chuck Norris, with power armor, and skull bling.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
@Manchu: He CHEATED! Everyone knows THAT!
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Oh no!
*facepalm*
Not that!
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Post by: JD21290
yea, that 
had to be done.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
*sigh*
I suppose these things cannot stay in darkness forever...
But if you think the Emprah got lucky then, he has a whole UNIVERSE of SoB waiting for the day he gets back!
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Post by: Manchu
Russ didn't cheat. He could eat more than Emp and drink more than Emp. But he couldn't beat him in a fight. That's why he joined up with his dad. And never looked back. Russ never cheats.
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Post by: Orkeosaurus
This is Gork and Mork's relationship with the Emperor.
"Hey dere, butt-ead!"
"Oh uh... look I've got a lot of stuff to do with this webway..."
"Oi, Empra, yur shoos untied."
"I don't wear-"
*Punch* "Hur hur! Dunt be so gullybul Empra!"
"Hur hur! Stoopid Empra! Why dunt yoo make like a tree an get outta ere!"
"Okay."
"We shur showed im!"
"No, oi showed im!"
"Wot! It wuz my plan, panzeeluva!"
*More punching*
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
@Manchu: Ever consider that fact that the Emprah LET Russ win in stuffing his face and drinking just so Emprah could pound the crap out of a certain wasted Spahz Puppeh Primarch?
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Post by: Manchu
EF, you're just making things up. Acting divisive, like an Ork. Sad, especially when Orkeosaurus is so obviously trolling right above your post. 
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
*sigh*
Whatever, all that your piece of fluff proves is that (compared to the Emprah) Russ was a binge-drinking alchoholic who couldn't fight for crap.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Because the Emperor did so well fighting that Ork Warlord.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Who's alive (ish)?
And who's dead?
Besides I think we can assume either;
a) Ork took him by surprise
OR
b) Ork was WAAAAy tougher than Ghazkghull.
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Post by: Manchu
Or, following your usual logic, EF, the Empra allowed himself to be jumped so as to give Horus a chance to earn his spurs.
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Post by: Sternguard_rock
KILL ALL HUMANS........ AND SUPER-HUMANS
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Emperors Faithful wrote:Who's alive (ish)?
And who's dead?
Besides I think we can assume either;
a) Ork took him by surprise
OR
b) Ork was WAAAAy tougher than Ghazkghull.
The Ork Warlord just walked over to him and grabbed him by the throat. He was so strong that the Emperor couldn't even raise his sword to hit back and would have died if Horus hadn't seen his plight.
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Post by: cadbren
The Emperor is not the strongest being in the universe, but if he'd seen the ork before it got to him he would have won. Even the best get caught out at times.
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Post by: Manchu
I think cadbren has summed up that tangent very thoroughly.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Ah, but we don't know if it surprised him. It's more likely he would have been looking for it to kill it and halt the Waaagh!
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
He was TFG. That's why he died.
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Post by: crazypsyko666
It was sanguinius with the ability of foresight, not the emperor. The emperor was utterly human; he saw the powers of the warp, knew they were a threat, he thought he had everything under control, but he didn't. His biggest failing was that he beleived humanity to be infallible. He was charismatic, powerful, and brilliant, but still just a man. It's the reason he couldn't beat Russ in a drinking and eating competition, and the reason Vulkan was a better hunter. Who knows what would happen if Sanguinius would've fought him though.... It probably have destroyed Baal. And Baal secundus.
Russ and Sanguinius tag-team would totally pwn everything, btw.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
@Manchu: EXACTLY! It makes sense, duh!
@Cheese: From the fluff I've seen. It actually doesn't say that, it mentions in the history of the Luna Hounds (pre-heresy) that Horus chopped off the arm of an ork that was trying to strangle the Emprah (unless this is something I haven't seen in the Horus Heresy novels).
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
...What? That's what I've said. The Emperor wasn't strong enough to escape and Horus had to come along and hack off its arm. If he'd been a few seconds late, the Emperor would have died.
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Post by: Manchu
@EF: I think you mean Luna Wolves. The Luna Hounds are an army of ork-painting anime-loving Japanese girls living in Canada.
@crazypsyko666: I'm glad to see the Russ-Sanguinius tagteam idea is catching on.
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Post by: Orkeosaurus
LunaHound's actually Japanese?
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Post by: Manchu
I think so . . .
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Well, if history is anything to go by you don't have to be Japanese to love anime, but it sure as hell helps...
@crazypsyko666: Actually, Emperor and Vulkan were roughly evenly matched EXCEPT when it came to hunting. The Emprah hunted down the bigger firedrake, Vulkan himself admits it. But the emperor chucked its corpse into the lava flow to save Vulkan or something.
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
I'm still not convinced.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
If he was TFG, then he would have died, yes?
But he DIDN'T die. So he's not TFG.
Horus was TFG. Horus Died.
Emprah was not TFG. Emprah didn't die.
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Post by: Manchu
Wait, does that mean that Sanguinius was TotherFG?
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
Emperors Faithful wrote:If he was TFG, then he would have died, yes?
But he DIDN'T die. So he's not TFG.
Horus was TFG. Horus Died.
Emprah was not TFG. Emprah didn't die.
I don't see why you have to elaborate and counter my joke, but okay.
Emprah might not have died, but he's on super life-support and is about to die. He can't do much anyway, so he's basically out of the picture.
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Post by: Khornholio
New to the thread - coming out with my hands up.
I always thought the Emperor was like a Jesus figure with a black belt in Ninjitsu and SAS training. A lot of the Emperor's story is based on the story of Jesus - being betrayed, wanting to unite humanity, etc, etc. And even the resultant church of the Emperor is a Sci-Fi version of the Roman Catholic Religion of the middle ages. BUT, he kicked total non-human ass. Jesus in Terminator armour with a back banner that says "EGO SVM NON LIGNARIVS" maybe with "CONSVME PLVMBVM" underneath.
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Post by: Manchu
I don't think that the Emperor is anything but superficially similar to Jesus, i.e., they are both thought of as divine and benevolent. The Horus Heresy is really nothing like the betrayal of Judas either--except that they were both betrayals. As for the Ecclesiarchy, that's just latent Anglican anti-Catholicism kicking in--same mindset that dreamed up the Black Legend (no wonder 40k has an Inquisition) and forgot about the English martyrs. The Emperor is more like a sci-fi Conan of Cimmeria or, more accurately, Kull of Atlantis.
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Post by: Khornholio
Manchu wrote: The Emperor is more like a sci-fi Conan of Cimmeria or, more accurately, Kull of Atlantis.
How about Jesus of Cimmeria? That has a nice ring to it.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Khornholio wrote:New to the thread - coming out with my hands up.
I always thought the Emperor was like a Jesus figure with a black belt in Ninjitsu and SAS training. A lot of the Emperor's story is based on the story of Jesus - being betrayed, wanting to unite humanity, etc, etc. And even the resultant church of the Emperor is a Sci-Fi version of the Roman Catholic Religion of the middle ages. BUT, he kicked total non-human ass. Jesus in Terminator armour with a back banner that says "EGO SVM NON LIGNARIVS" maybe with "CONSVME PLVMBVM" underneath.
QFT... FTW.
Except where Jesus said that he could call a "legion of angels" and yet did nothing,
The Emprah said "Horus YOU BASTARD! I will know call on my bazillion angels OF DEATH and PAWN YOR ASS!!!"
I don't know about you, but I prefer the Emprahs attitdue.
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Post by: Manchu
Silly, thoughtless EF. Jesus conquers death and is resurrected. Empra taxidermied and made a glorified light bulb in a galactic lamp. And for the visually-inclined learners among you:
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Post by: labmouse42
Manchu wrote:Well put. But He became more.
I don't see the Emperor as a god. He is just an extremely powerful psyker that the navigators use to pinpoint where earth is, as they can see his shining beacon of energy for light years.
In fact, I see the Emperor as hating what has happened to him, as thousands of souls are sacrificed into the golden throne to keep him alive.
Given his wishes, he would be unplugged and removed from the golden throne. He could then die, and his spirit would be released so it could be reborn. The Emperor would again unite mankind and lead them to the greatest civilization they could ever know.
Fear of change and the unknown keeps humanity enslaved.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
True, but it is pointed out in the Inquistor Specialist Game that even IF the Emprah came back, mankind would be divided as to whether he was the real thing or whether he was an impostor. Certainly the Emprah would start a ruckus with the Eclessiarchy over him being a god.
But I do think it is his wish.
...If he was certain that he would be reborn.
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Post by: Khornholio
Maybe another Imperial schism is the next step in the 40K world for GW? EMPRAH: JUDGMENT DAY. The Emperor returns to Terra and unleashes the warp on all the soft-ass ecclesiarchs.
The only thing I dread is the fielding of the Emperor in an Ultra Marine army for 1000 pts. It'd be a sick, sick, terminal ill, sick game breaker for sure.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
The Ultra mariens dont ned the empra becus they are the bestest spase marins and all kil a milun bilun bludfirsters in close combut wit a stik.
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Post by: Orkeosaurus
FOUR HUNDRED NIGHT LORDS
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
...
@Orkeosaurus: WTF do Night Lords have to do wiv anyfink?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
The Emprah is not outa the picture...He fights chaos in the warp and without him the galaxy would be destroyed by demons
The Ork warboss must have been must have been alot more powerful then any Warboss now.
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Post by: Shelegelah
Hmmm... If the Emperor is prophesied to be reborn as soon as he dies, then how does that fit in with Russ' drunken quest of revival? And does anyone know where Russ went, exactly? Was it the Warp? That seems to be a common destination for people who need to go missing in 40k canon.
By the way....
Sanguinius kicks ass. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Russ was drunk. That's what drunk people do. They wander off to some obsucre part of the galaxy, for some obscure thought up reason, and most likely get eaten by a stray void whale.
Yes...Sanguinius IS awesome.
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Post by: Shelegelah
Can't rightly argue with that. He's probably going to wake up next to a very large and unattractive Ork somewhere in the Eastern Fringe once his monumental dose of ale wears off.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
I'm sorry...I had to do this.
Don't ask me where I got this from...
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Post by: Shelegelah
What in the name of the Prince of Pleasure is THAT THING?!?!!? I'm going to be sick, I'm going to be sick, I'm going to be sick...
The hobbyist in me can't help but note the pretty impressive painting, though.
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Post by: penut the butter
Kick-ass Jesus.
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I think I'm going to be sick. And this is coming from a guy who loves slaanesh and his power
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Wait. Thats from blood bowl isn't it? Any ways that is a lot of armpit hair
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Post by: Shelegelah
And this is coming from a guy who loves slaanesh and his power
Yeah... There's a reason that Slaanesh hasn't corrupted any orkish women. For one, I don't think that there are any in 40k, and for another, even the Prince of Pleasure has his limits. Well, probably not. But I never said I was perfect in the Dark Prince's eyes.
I'm working on it.
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