I am new to forums in general, and I have heard of 4-chan being brought up on many occasion, most of the time with an air of disdain.
I looked through their Wiki-file, which seems to be maintained by their users, although I do not know exactly how Wiki works in that respect. There was some genuinely scary stuff mentioned about 4-chan, but most of it was passed of as jestery... the kind of jestery that you mess around with your friends about, when you know there is no chance of someone taking you seriously...
Just thought I would get some feedback before I jump into what sounds like a genuine cesspool of internet discussion. I remember kids showing me all sorts of stuff on the interwebz when I was younger, but 4-chan could be the place where you link to all of it at once... pretty scary stuff in reality.
It really isn't as bad as people say. The only place to avoid is /b/, the 'random' board, which is where the bad stuff comes from. Goatse, gay porn, 2girls 1cup, BME pain olympics, etc. Stay away from it at all costs.
Oh, and the 'work-safe' and 'NSFW' boards are clearly marked, so you won't get caught looking at tentacle rape accidentally at work. As we're all wargamers here, you should go to the /tg/ (Traditional Games) board. It's all about Warhammer, MTG, D&D, etc. Lots of insults, flaming, and trolling goes around, but it's all good fun and you're always anonymous unless you choose to enter your name.
Oh, and don't go into /v/ (Video Games). It's a hole full of whiny PS3 powergamers who are utterly convinced that the Xbox is for 12-year-olds and old games suck. They're ripe for trolling though.
Most of the 40k humour you see around here (Angry Marines, Pretty Marines, the motivational posters, etc) are from 4chan. We've got a lot to thank them for.
Even though they are labeled as work safe boards none of them are are as /b/ makes it's rounds occasionally and even w/o them going nutty you'll still get NSFW pics popping up in the tamest of boards.
Brace yourself for horrible racism, homophobia, and fetish. You will see pictures and read things things you can't unsee. That probably makes it much more enticing because now it seems like forbidden fruit but it isn't. If you really want to see pictures of autopsies, mangled dead bodies, or people defecating while trying to discuss why you think Sisters of Battle aren't celibate, then go ahead.
That isn't to say that it doesn't have it's moments either as you can find some really interesting and funny things there. Just be prepared to wade through a sewer to find a diamond.
Of course you need to be 18+ to go there, but usually if one isn't that again is all the more incentive to want to go.
You will not make friends, you will not be welcomed, no one will care what you have to say. Have fun.
Ahtman wrote:You will not make friends, you will not be welcomed, no one will care what you have to say. Have fun.
Yep, it is the Twilight zone. I took a look and the whole simplistic format interlaced with random images... of, actually I am not sure what that was...
4chan is just as it is .... a community of people , with no inhibition. Human in their truest form.
You are allowed to express yourself to the fullest , however with the extreme stuff only allowed in /b/ this is a very smart idea , as it keeps all the worst of the kind in a very contained area.
Its a very helpful site , and you can probably get any answer you asked for , IF you word things nicely , as the average 4chan are bunch of angry geeks with too much teen hormone ( understandable )
It is a place of terror...or horror...hordes of demon-fags waiting for you in the shadows! *joking*
There are definitly places you want to avoid (as I have learnt at a great cost to my mental health) but, as cheesey here says, just stick to /tg/ and you should be alright.
LunaHound wrote:
4chan is just as it is .... a community of people , with no inhibition. Human in their truest form.
You are allowed to express yourself to the fullest , however with the extreme stuff only allowed in /b/ this is a very smart idea , as it keeps all the worst of the kind in a very contained area.
Its a very helpful site , and you can probably get any answer you asked for , IF you word things nicely , as the average 4chan are bunch of angry geeks with too much teen hormone ( understandable )
And you are visiting underage. Don't EULA mean anything any more?
I don't visit 4-chan very often, but /tg/ is pretty much always epic win. Just watch out for guro ... the wiki is awesome as hell though. Read all the 40K articles, ESPECIALLY ELDRAD'S ~!!
PS- I had to look through several pages before I found the thread in question BTW.
ShumaGorath wrote:So they show bad pictures? I'm still having a hard time imagining it, and I want to make sure I know what I'm getting into if I ever go.
It is more than just bad pictures. It is difficult to explain because we have mods and rules here and don't want to get banned.
abandon hope all ye who enter 4chan, for it is a land of hate, porn, lolcats, and images you will never unsee.
It contains things that will send you screaming into the night, for anonymous is not kind, and does not care about you.
Frazzled wrote:I think 4chan is one of those places where you instantly get computer viruses?
No, you have to use common sense. Don't follow links that look suspicious. Hell, don't follow links that don't. If someone posted a link to dakkadakka I would be suspicious and I know the address. Just look at pics and read posts and everything will be ok. I mean, your mental state will become worse and worse in a variety of ways, but your computer will be ok.
It's where you go to get trolled and lose your ocular virginity all at the same time.
BTW I get MY demotivational posters from motifake. Most of the 4-chanian's "humor" isn't to my liking.
So they show bad pictures? I'm still having a hard time imagining it, and I want to make sure I know what I'm getting into if I ever go.
Thou shall not 4-chan was the 11th commandment. Unfortunately Moses had no idea what 4-chan was and decided not to share that tid bit with a lot of people.
One does not simply walk into 4-chan.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Welcome to 4chan
1) Please leave your religion, morals, and opinions at the door.
2)Please note, women are not permitted to enter this site without showing their breasts.
3)Please be advised that adult content is beyond the opening page in a very childish manner.
4)Please be made aware that every sexual fetish ever conjured by the human imagination lies beyond the first page.
4chan is the sphincter of the internet. Also known as the interbutts
Ahtman wrote:If you really want to see pictures of autopsies, mangled dead bodies,
If I want to look at autopsy pictures, I just pull out one of several texts from my library (advanced procedures was one of my favourite in-flight reads. Definitely stopped people next to me talking to me if I didn't want them to. Now I have a wife, and she just glares at them.)
Nothing on 4chan shocks me. However, I have friends in the fetish scene (and I used to do fetish photography).
This is not to say that some of it doesn't turn my stomach (generally just the amount of bile and hate expectorated by the trolls.)
They can have their 4chan. Just don't bring any of it elsewhere.
Cheese Elemental wrote:If you don't want to see gay porn, autopsies, or mangled dead bodies, then don't go on /b/. Simple as that.
Let us not pretend that it doesn't occasionally migrate to the other boards. You are less likely to see it but eventually you will see it if you go there more than once, even it is just to /tg/.
The same could be said for Dakka. I don't doubt that someone, someday, will post porn or gore pictures here, and they will be deleted, won't they? 4chan does have moderators, you know, and they aren't slackers.
Cheese Elemental wrote:The same could be said for Dakka. I don't doubt that someone, someday, will post porn or gore pictures here, and they will be deleted, won't they? 4chan does have moderators, you know, and they aren't slackers.
Yeah, I can remember the last time someone posted autopsy pics on Dakka. Same for porn. No, wait, I don't remember that ever happeneing as to opposed to /tg/ where it is every other day, unless /b/ is down for some reason. If it happened as much here as it did there Frazz would be deleting 2 or 3 posts a day. Telling people that it is perfectly safe there is disingenuous. You are absolutely still going to see things you probably wish you hadn't. Even if it is only every other day that is still a lot. /TG/ can be a great source of pics and inspiration but it is still 4chan.
i'm secretly waiting for the guy that owns it to go in the hole enough that he shuts the place down, and unleashs the channers like some dark plague of locusts upon the rest of the world
i'm secretly waiting for the guy that owns it to go in the hole enough that he shuts the place down, and unleashs the channers like some dark plague of locusts upon the rest of the world
Moot makes enough off of advertisement space to keep the sights servers running fairly consistently, and he's professed in time magazine that he would be willing to sell the sight for what be believes its worth given sight sales of other similarly trafficked webpages (If I remember right he wanted something like 200 million or so). However given the sights often times illegal (though protected) content most major advertisers aren't willing to touch it with a 10 foot pole.
If you don't want to see gay porn, autopsies, or mangled dead bodies, then don't go on /b/. Simple as that.
Whats /b/? It sounds dreadful if all of those things are on there. Why doesn't anyone just shut it down? This doesn't sound like a place I would really want to frequent.
If you don't want to see gay porn, autopsies, or mangled dead bodies, then don't go on /b/. Simple as that.
Whats /b/? It sounds dreadful if all of those things are on there. Why doesn't anyone just shut it down? This doesn't sound like a place I would really want to frequent.
It's the 'random' board. No rules apart from no underage porn, where to get drugs, or any of that illegal stuff. The moderators there are flying rodent gak insane and people who actually post things there are usually stoned, drunk, or a fetishist.
After reading this thread i couldnt help it and i went on 4-Chan on random....it was..it was horrible.
First pic i saw was a cat, dead its stomach cut open, the next thing nearly made me puck im not sure what it was myself but i dont want to talk about it. Its horrible! There's alot more stuff but i think it would violate dakka rules to post them.
Lord-Loss wrote:After reading this thread i couldnt help it and i went on 4-Chan on random....it was..it was horrible.
First pic i saw was a cat, dead its stomach cut open, the next thing nearly made me puck im not sure what it was myself but i dont want to talk about it. Its horrible! There's alot more stuff but i think it would violate dakka rules to post them.
Advice stay away from 4-Chan!
Person1: Don't put your hand in the fire!
Person2: yes, it is hot and will burn you!
Lord-Loss: Maybe I should put my hand in the fire, they keep talking about it so much.
Lord-Loss wrote:After reading this thread i couldnt help it and i went on 4-Chan on random....it was..it was horrible.
First pic i saw was a cat, dead its stomach cut open, the next thing nearly made me puck im not sure what it was myself but i dont want to talk about it. Its horrible! There's alot more stuff but i think it would violate dakka rules to post them.
Advice stay away from 4-Chan!
Then don't click on /b/, for crying out loud. Avoid that and /d/, and you'll be fine. However, 4chan does have a corrupting influence on people...
Thankfully I don't understand it so I'm fairly safe.
Lord-Loss wrote:After reading this thread i couldnt help it and i went on 4-Chan on random....it was..it was horrible.
First pic i saw was a cat, dead its stomach cut open, the next thing nearly made me puck im not sure what it was myself but i dont want to talk about it. Its horrible! There's alot more stuff but i think it would violate dakka rules to post them.
Advice stay away from 4-Chan!
Then don't click on /b/, for crying out loud. Avoid that and /d/, and you'll be fine. However, 4chan does have a corrupting influence on people...
Thankfully I don't understand it so I'm fairly safe.
I have never been on 4chan and I understand that picture.
How are you not able to understand that with internet access?
I agree with what Luna wrote earlier in this thread: the site is all about the abandonment of inhibitions and sharing of information--in other words, the very epitome of the internet. 4chan is the beating heart of the internet and, as such, is a good reality check regarding what the internet is actually about: teenage sexuality, violence, and internationally-influenced anglophonic pop culture. Moreover, the *chans (and especially their /b/s) are like the final frontier of free expression--not tasteful, socially progressive, or even legal expression--simply free expression. If you want to understand the internet, you're gonna have to man up and start lurking the *chans, especially 4chan.
More like the internet version of the Library of Congress. I didn't say it was worth your time if you don't want to look the internet in the face--but if you do, that's where you do it.
Yeah, found out that the alphabet on the top isn't exactly the letter the subject begins with. Luckily I was looking up warhammer so I avoided /b/ entirely.
I also discovered that the "yuri" section does not feature anything about this guy.
A friend of mine described yaoi as gay sex so I believed that they were both one and the same. For that unclarification I almost strangled her to death.
halonachos wrote:
A friend of mine described yaoi as gay sex so I believed that they were both one and the same. For that unclarification I almost strangled her to death.
Yaoi is malexmale Yuri ( lily) is femalexfemale
(OH WOW his name is Yuri?????? AHHAHAHAHAHAHA )
I disagree, once again. Something important and instructive is going on over at 4chan and some of the other *chans. I'd say it's like looking into the future but the fact of the matter is that it's an on-going phenomenon. I understand why people are afraid of it. Some people are afraid of the concept of the internet. 4chan is partly a realization of those fears--and it seems we're all still here. Deriding it is pointless. It's better to try and understand it.
I am really not sure what you are trying to say Manchu, the interwebz is a place to do a lot more than just scribble anonymously into a group spit bucket.
Sure there seems to be some good information there, but it also represents a sincere lack of concern for what they hope to accomplish... which is absolutely nothing besides being swarm like. Group mentality without any faces, how do you not see the problem with that?
I am not saying it should be shut down, just that it is most definitely not a place most people would enjoy. It is a cesspool, and not even a nicely organized one, call that whatever, but whatever.
@Wrexasaur: 4chan is a fascinating place. Haven't you ever wondered how culture is created? Or how it is subverted and re-imagined? You can see it take place on /b/. I'm not condoning whatever message their hivemind communicates (and then immediately contradicts), but I think that it's far, far more than a cesspool. Unless, of course, you think that contemporary anglophonic pop culture is a cesspool--which you can certainly think. But that evaluation is practically useless. We have this (points to 4chan) to deal with, to acknowledge that this (along with material progress) is also the result of our freedom and creativity, and it's this that we ought to wonder about and examine more closely if we really want to understand ourselves and our reaction to all of this talk of freedom and wealth.
Manchu wrote:@Orkeosaurus: No, but I'll think about it.
@Wrexasaur: 4chan is a fascinating place. Haven't you ever wondered how culture is created? Or how it is subverted and re-imagined? You can see it take place on /b/. I'm not condoning whatever message their hivemind communicates (and then immediately contradicts), but I think that it's far, far more than a cesspool. Unless, of course, you think that contemporary anglophonic pop culture is a cesspool--which you can certainly think. But that evaluation is practically useless. We have this (points to 4chan) to deal with, to acknowledge that this (along with material progress) is also the result of our freedom and creativity, and it's this that we ought to wonder about and examine more closely if we really want to understand ourselves and our reaction to all of this talk of freedom and wealth.
Very nicely said , my thoughts exactly .
If dakka*2 have the identical rules 4chan has , i guarantee you the outcome wouldn't be so much different.
Modern pop culture makes me sick to my stomach. There we go.
At no point in time were bars and pubs not a place to share this kind of rabble with your buddies? As in... on the bathroom walls?
4-chan seems to be infested with underage users, so if anything it seems to be an indicator of poor parenting skills the world throughout. I do not know where most of these kids are from, but I would guess they are mostly from the U.S. possibly Japan as well. Without any solid numbers (which are not available) no solid conclusions have been drawn and I pass no judgment on anyone. Besides this though, kids should not be on 4-chan, simple as that, it is just way too random, and there are plenty of focused forums that deal with specific subjects in depth, and with verifiable posters. I feel like you are simply glorifying 4-chan and affiliates to spread some anti-authoritative sentiment that has no solid base in day to day life. Yet again, I say that you can find any information you need elsewhere, with a lot less effort; 4-chan is for people who like to be anonymous... as if the internet doesn't provide a thick enough armor plate for their identity.
FFS on the front page the last time I went there was a... anyway. It is a high school bathroom where people learn what to avoid, and who gives the best... hmmmm.
I hadn't even thought of that, Luna. But yes--dakka would (d)evolve into 4chan if it shed a few rules. Just look at the WAR! thread in Survivor Games. It's like a little shard of /b/ has implanted itself into the flesh of dakka. That particular tumor has swollen to nearly 200 pages. Turtle pie is another example.
EDIT: @Wrexasaur: I'm not sure that any of us are really "outside" of pop culture.
Manchu wrote:Where's your Guy Fawkes mask--I mean true face, Luna?
EDIT: Oh, there it is.
We dont have mask anymore , everyone is in their true color , but most arnt willing to accept it.
humans biggest flaw = they so easily lie to themselves :x
Yes... yes we are. So have fun pretending that the next big thang' wont sweep the rest off the stage, because it has and will continue to do so.
If you feel like applying some sort of thin blanket theory to everyone in this room (and possibly on the planet, if that is what you mean) by all means, just do not expect me to take it at face value. On the interwebz you need twice as much proof to change my mind about something.
Using numbers is always great because I can just ignore any moral sentiment and just kick it into gear.
Maybe that's a good description of /b/: the point where lies and truth are the same.
@Wrexasaur: Haha, random wikipedia links just bounce harmlessly off of me. But seriously, we all participate in pop culture in one way or another. In 2009, there is no such thing as a counterculture. I'm not sure what you mean by "thin blanket theory" but it just seems like a way of not thinking about what I've said. As for morality . . . well, it just hasn't come up yet in anything that I've said on the subject.
Luna? wrote:humans biggest flaw = they so easily lie to themselves
Greatest human strength... sheer tenacity and creativity.
All thoughts are lies, and as soon as you can rely on instinct and logic, any lie can be applied as sincere truth and it will be so if people so agree.
If in my mind I fly, I sure as hell fly, just not as high as I would usually hope to do. Here is where tenacity lays, because we all have a little big-man complex locked in there somewhere.
It is the Parent in us, the Mother or Father who knows what is right, and can take any action needed to accomplish what they set out to do.
Bite, claw, and force your way into the light, because you are inevitable only stuck in your own mind, and your own thoughts, not what thought the "main" group deems fit for you to think.
Humans are not inherently logical Luna... by any group test that we can accomplish.
4-Chan on the whole could be considered logical, but comparing some of it's users to a logical person makes me think you have never been in a mosh pit before.
DUCK AND WEAVE LUNA!!!
Manchu wrote:Anonymous as a pseudo-personality is kind of noble in a thoughtless teenage way. It has its own "white knight" side.
Agree with Wrexasaur, partly. Logic is merely one instrument that humans have at their disposal when choosing how to act. But I partly agree with Luna, too, in that almost any behavior can be said to follow some sort of logic.
We dont have to agree with something to find it logical.
Aslong as we can figure out why it happens , and see a pattern out of the behavior , i would count that as logical behavior. (unless im mistaken the term again -_-)
Which is also why i seem to have patience and leniency some trolls on dakka.
4chan suffers from the same flaws inherent in any un-moderated conversation. Primarily an extremely high signal to noise ratio, and the absence of any control on hostility. Its like Lord of the Flies updated for cyberspace.
It also isn't particularly unique. There are other places in the depths of the internet that exhibit many of the same properties. Look up the "Atheism vs. Christianity" google group if you want to see what a lack of accountability can do to otherwise well developed minds.
Also, I don't think 4chan suffers from any flaws. It does what it's supposed to according to those who use it (I don't). It's mostly stream of consciousness and not intended for discussion.
Ah, good. I was hoping I had them on the right way round. Ahem: so with the stream of consciousness terminology--just imagine if we were both giving voice to whatever popped into our heads but only heard each other when we happened to say the same thing. That's kind of like 4chan. If enough people happen to say the same thing at the same time, a meme is born. This is, I'd guess, a pretty good simplified model of pop culture.
@Luna: The problem with that sort of explanation is that people use logic in order to make decisions and use logic to explain decisions--and yet the reasoning is different. So logic is a process of reasoning but it has little to do with the content of a decision/behavior.
Manchu wrote:...I'd guess, a pretty good simplified model of pop culture.
Too true, and for those who go do be aware of it's main purpose, which is to have none and to stay on top.
Like watching a pack of dogs fighting over a bone I would assume, the group mentality produces perspective-based "facts" about a certain segment of the Human race (teenagers?) and furthermore possibly applicable in the same way to the entire group in a rather loose way.
Manchu wrote:@Luna: The problem with that sort of explanation is that people use logic in order to make decisions and use logic to explain decisions--and yet the reasoning is different. So logic is a process of reasoning but it has little to do with the content of a decision/behavior.
Wiki wrote:"The formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning".
This definition (which is correct) points directly at a group (preferably the WHOLE group of which the parts are affiiated, at least to the degree that you can break down) and asks you what you believe and why. Not why you think you and your buddies are right, but how it effect the whole question at hand.
Through this strict separation of fact and "pseudo-fact" we can determine where we our foundation as a species lays in a few ways. Our responses here on DakkaDakka to 4-chan are just as important if not more important (due to being relatively impartial in our group) than any of the anon-cats dwelling in the shadows of 4-chan.
I think it's rather more about language than anything else. If I had to guess, loneliness drives /b/. Not some pathetic, neck-bearded loneliness but the basic human urge for meaningful interaction. So why does no meaningful interaction occur there, you ask? I think it's because channers get stuck on language. They're constantly trying to figure out how to communicate things to one another using a vocabulary of constantly updated pop culture images that cross-reference their own better-established usages. It's like a meta-meta-language. They're NOT talking about the thing that a reference refers to but about the reference that refers to (and modifies) some other reference that no longer refers to the thing that it originally did because that thing has itself been forgotten by most users.
Thus the big fish eats the small fish. It is like being attacked by a Megalodon while swimming in a futuristic wading pool. To most that have X-perience with the interwebz I can tell you IT IS MESSED UP!!! Why?...Why?...Why?...
I try and keep open to channel the lost unto their true destination. Hunter will be missed by many, and I would hope that his actions could provide people with a bit of insight into the mistakes that he made, and the actions he took to try and change the world for the greater good.
@manchu: It IS a cesspool. A cesspool of ideas. And not all of them nice. Some of them are great. But there is always that creepy, sick, twisted stuff JUST around the corner.
Now that's just mean. At least in culture at large, only the relatively nice ones are ALLOWED to sprout and develop, the really nasty stuff is shunned at mostly.
EF, as Luna is alluding to, 4chan is just a crack in the facade of the aspect of culture you're talking about. All that gross, violent, perverted stuff wasn't invented on 4chan. That's just where people openly (anonymously) talk about it and stop pretending that they don't know about it/aren't interested in it.
And why are they interested in it?
It certainly is a foul meeting-of-the-minds by anyones standard.
The average, decent person, certainly isn't that interested or depraved. (I hope)
I repeat.
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Manchu. Come on. Feaces-in-Face-Sex? PEDO bear?
I don't agree. The average, decent person is very interested in a lot of those things. Like what a dead (or mutilated) body looks like, for example. It's just natural curiosity. I can't explain everything you see on /b/. Some of it is just plain malicious. But malice, too, is a facet of human experience/expression.
I repeat:
All that gross, violent, perverted stuff wasn't invented on 4chan.
Emperors Faithful wrote:And why are they interested in it?
It certainly is a foul meeting-of-the-minds by anyones standard.
The average, decent person, certainly isn't that interested or depraved. (I hope)
Its the same type mentality as when you watch a horror movie and you peep through your fingers
or when you squint your eyes.
Or when you watch Saw 1,2,3,4,5,6?
Or as i always say , humans cant live without contrast.
Good and evil
Light and Shadow
Bitter and sweet
Life and death
pleasure and pain
burning and freezing
It goes on and on , why? because contrast stimulates our sense whether we like it or not. We are drawn to it like moths to flame , human we are
@Emperors Faithful (who is a young'n and should not be attending 4-chan.... ahem) .
The whole site is not that by any means, and if one were to condition a mind straight up Dune status, you would find use for 4-chan.
I can't imagine anything closer to playing Duke nuke em'. Drop em frag em, just take em down anyway you can, and make sure you interlace a profuse amount of demonic profanity to boot.
Wow... it is Duke nuke em.... with a lot more than just aliens, like stuff that is real.
Keep 4-chan open and their community has and will lock the really scummy people down. A purpose to this madness I tell you!!!.
I know it wasn't invented on 4chan. But it has been allowed to fester there.
...I'll confess something to you. This is relevant. I used to have...a problem. *hint hint*. A serious problem. I got over. I stopped completely. I didn't find religeon or anything. I just realised that I had gone in too deep. I...saw things. I'm not being melodramatic or anything. i saw these...stuff, and not only was it being presented, bold as brass, but people were cheering it on. I'm not going to repeat what I saw, but If I ever have children I will make SURE they never have to see that kinda stuff. It's sad enough they live in a world were something so...sick...even exists.
There's a lot of nasty things to see on the internet. And many, many people have seen them. We're all still here and the world's not going to end any time soon. If 4chan portends the end of civilization it is not because it encourages a deviant (a)morality. It's simply a reflection of its participants like the body is the sum of its members.
@Luna: Perhaps there always WILL be good and evil, light and shadow, but just becuase it is there, must we condone it? No. If anything we should fight all the harder to stop it's..spread. (Ironic coming from a Witch Hunter)
Perhaps it would be in vain. It's probaly impossible to rid the world of evil entirely. But it shows us as very poor characters if we don't TRY.
A proverbial carrot if you may, because the worst of "them" are drawn to stay in society NOT escape it. Escaping it would be to admit some quality of inferiority that is just not primary to the focus of a sensationalist and egotistical person in general.
Lock down as in, prison, etc... etc.. etc...
The internet is carfeully governed by many bodies that take many forms, and determining who is in charge is not hard... it is us as interwebberz.
@Wrexasuar: LOL, gladiators?!? That's it? People killing each other in an arena? No, what I saw was far, FAR worse. I saw CHILDREN wrexasuar. Children, and sex and death... I was PHYSICALLY sick. Never again will I tread down that path, or abide those that do.
Welcome to reality, never visit 4-chan again if you feel it is the sole determining perspective for you to base your rationalizations of the human condition on.
Trust me mate, it gets far beyond what you can imagine, so far in fact that you would consider it nigh fantasy, and none would concur in it's ability to occur in real life.
Watch Hellraiser 2 at least 5 times, then cross-reference the values of the movie with real life situations... you cannot even fathom the depth of this pit mate, it never ends and you will be far past insane before it does.
Agree with Wrex again. That's a pointless game and somewhat sick in its own right. Lewis said you can make two mistakes about the devil: think about him too little or think about him too much.
Emperors Faithful wrote:*sigh*
I just don't think it can get any worse than what I saw. Give me your best shot. (it saddens me that you would know where to find it, though)
Its ok EF ... what doesnt kill us makes us stronger.
Anyway, manchu, I wasn't saying 4chan was evil. (The fact that they apparently stopped some of the REAL gritty stuff floating around says something), but I'm definitely saying it's not a healthy enviroment.
@Manchu: You speak of it as if the stuff you see as though will not affect you. It can, and will. Believe me I found Feaces-In-Face-Sex there by ACCIDENT. This is not an oven you're dealing with.
EF The "contrast" i brought up earlier is very evident seen from 4chan and the mentality of how the people deal with
all that you listed. Which is why , this game ( visual novel ) is worshiped on 4chan like some sort of Bible...
If you havnt seen it before , let me introduce you.... Song of Saya 沙耶の唄
If you want to understand the mentality of 4chan , and why they take such interest in the bad things you listed ,
just check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saya_no_Uta it explains rather well.
All the zombie shark is danger, and the very clear kind, that it all.
Did you happen to notice the firefighters in that last photo? They react in ways that we cannot, and protect us from the more inherent dangers of the internet. 4-chan could be seen as a catalyst to enhance the process, like splitting water from oil... or something .
I promise you, putting your hand on the hot burner of a stove will have a more appreciable effect on you than images on the internet. That's why touching a hot oven is a cliche and looking a 4chan isn't. The whole "what is seen can't be unseen" business is nonsense. If something you saw affected you so deeply, I'd say (sincerely) that it's a sign that whatever it was forced you to start dealing with some other, more personal issue.
Manchu wrote:If something you saw affected you so deeply, I'd say (sincerely) that it's a sign that whatever it was forced you to start dealing with some other, more personal issue.
Hmmm... to be sure, to be sure, but I say that kids will be kids, and the parents themselves should be held responsible for their actions online, at the very least when they are in the same house. If your kid decides to hack into gov. files or w/e that is a different story, unless you somehow taught your kid to do that.
Anyway, most of the content on 4-chan is maintained to some degree, and adults can browse any content on 4-chan legally. If you choose to break the rules under your PARENTS house, you choose to inflict responsibility on them in more than one sense. This is where the parent comes in and manages the situation I would hope. If your folks want to let you browse whatever (and most simply do not) they should have made that clear to you, but it does not detract for their responsibilities to their children.
Emperors Faithful wrote:
@Lunahound: WTF was that?!?
I don't know if it was wrong, so much as just plain freaky...
Song of Saya is a story composed of pretty much all the "bad" things you have listed into a very tragic love story.
The TxT link is a basic story / translated dialogue i believe when it was a patch for the game since there is no real english version.
What has been seen, cannot be unseen is most CERTAINLY true. (Unless you have amnesia or something) How you react to it is a whole different ball game.
The "offended" entry leads to a collection of pictures that become steadily worse, in terms of being graphically disgusting. None of us can prevent you from looking at it.
@Luna: I'm sorry but I can't keep a straight face when I see things like that. I know that anime is a complex art form with its own terminology and that I just don't understand it . But, to me, none of it is serious enough to be disturbing and when people try really, really hard to claim otherwise it seems even more silly to me.
Emperors Faithful wrote:What has been seen, cannot be unseen is most CERTAINLY true. (Unless you have amnesia or something) How you react to it is a whole different ball game.
Boiling the statement down to its merest physical reality renders it meaningless. You've accomplished the same thing as I did: proved that the statement is nonsense.
Emperors Faithful wrote:What has been seen, cannot be unseen is most CERTAINLY true. (Unless you have amnesia or something) How you react to it is a whole different ball game.
I agree , i guess we can call it traumatic experience :x
Hmm i see you are jumpy... here is something to help you relax ( source of my avatar )
Manchu wrote:@Luna: I'm sorry but I can't keep a straight face when I see things like that. I know that anime is a complex art form with its own terminology and that I just don't understand it . But, to me, none of it is serious enough to be disturbing and when people try really, really hard to claim otherwise it seems even more silly to me.
I totally understand what you mean , but just remember this though.
The reason anime is so different than cartoon is , to Japanese , anime is just a cheaper media alternative to retelling a story.
It doesnt require sets , casts , and can all be done inside a tiny studio . If you really want to know why 4chan seems drawn to the flame , atleast read the txt story >.>
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Also, WTF is this offended/ED thing?
DO NOT LOOK ATIT. It's a compilation of the most horrible things you could ever imagine, EF. When I saw it, it was like thousands of frozen daggers were being plunged into my heart, horrible things that gnawed at my sanity like the screams of the damned. Corpse rape, cannibalism, split penises, the Lotus Boob. Horrible, horrible things. If you have any intention of retaining your full sanity, avoid that page.
Cheese Elemental wrote:DO NOT LOOK ATIT. It's a compilation of the most horrible things you could ever imagine, EF. When I saw it, it was like thousands of frozen daggers were being plunged into my heart, horrible things that gnawed at my sanity like the screams of the damned. Corpse rape, cannibalism, split penises, the Lotus Boob. Horrible, horrible things. If you have any intention of retaining your full sanity, avoid that page.
That's a fair warning (insanity aside). But none of us can stop you.
Emperors Faithful wrote:
@Luna:...Child Molestation, torture and murder (all together) was in that story? I didn't catch it. (Unless SAYA was younger than I thought.)
Saya is not a human , she is a monster.
But the main character suffered a brain trauma during a car accident.... He sees the "normal" as monsters
and sees Saya as a human.
He can no longer live with humans because normal world looks like twisted hell to him ,
he cant eat or smell anything normal because the sense receptors are damaged.
To keep him alive Saya cannibalize humans and feeds him.
EMP wrote:@Wrexasuar: I apologise if I seem jump or sarcastic, mate, I actually don't get what you are trying to say with those pictures.
No worries, I just meant that keeping your eyes open makes spotting danger easy, and in turn manageable. Alpha strike if you may, mainly due to the opponents ability to properly focus a coherent movement.
Pervos don't work well together en masse, they would be better off just being in a cell already in their minds.
It's funny. No one I've shown it to could stop scrolling down once they started. One person claimed to but then went back to the page when he thought I wasn't looking. There's something to be learned from that.
...damn. That was some pretty sick stuff.
*sigh*
My faith in humanity falls ever lower. I didn't go all the way. Any warning at what's at the bottom before I take the plunge?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, at least I know where dashofpepper got his avatar from from.
Manchu wrote:It's funny. No one I've shown it to could stop scrolling down once they started. One person claimed to but then went back to the page when he thought I wasn't looking. There's something to be learned from that.
It's that macabre fascination that people (particularly younger ones) have. You can even see it in little kids who buy toy guns and think killing things is awesome. It's why SAW is so popular; it has a horrible, horrible premise and I found it utterly sickening and sadistic, but people still watch it.
ED, look up 'offended' on google. First link. Sickest page. Your Saya story looks like thomas the tank compared to it. (Still waiting for bottom to load, don't want to dwell on what I've seen so far...)
Emperors Faithful wrote:ED, look up 'offended' on google. First link. Sickest page. Your Saya story looks like thomas the tank compared to it. (Still waiting for bottom to load, don't want to dwell on what I've seen so far...)
Er no thank you... the first time i seen these awful things was when show**mercy.com was still legal before the government took it down.
im guessing if 'offended' is still up , its not as bad as show**mercy?
Manchu wrote:
LunaHound wrote:Im confused , what are you guys talking about (majority of page 6? ) I missed something?
I PMed you. This thread is your warning if you haven't seen those things before.
Its ok i deleted the msg >< EF replied first and i dont want those things in my PM
The way this slope goes is something like this... down...down...down... hey a cat with a watermelon, hehe... OH CRIZZAP I AM IN HELL!!!
and down...down..and down....and down... eeewww....and down... and down... oh look we stopped at a pile of dookie... what do ya' know?
"Note"
Yeesh... aftershock trauma . Anyway, this is some bad stuff... by more definitions than I can count... That was a summary of the worst of 4-chan in a nutshell, and I stopped loading at about 5 seconds, leaving me with an unorganized version of hell on earth.
Blechh... man.... this has totally lost it's meaning eh?
@EF: You knew and know now you shouldn't but nobody can stop you so you did. That's exactly the kind of moral degeneration that you claimed 4chan exercised over its audience but look--it was inside of you the whole time. That page and its images aren't the pit that Wrex was talking about. They Abyss is somewhere else, closer. And EF, I'm sorry to say it, but: when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks back. Remember this experience when you have the chance to catch another, deeper glimpse.
@lunahound: Me too. Looking at that stuff... *shake head* (at least most of it was blocked, but there...flashes...)
@manchu: It's one thing to look at it. (even better if you detest it), yet another entirely to condone, cheer it on, or even perpetrate it. Would you like to meet the people who took some of these pics? Did some of these things? I would...if only to pull the trigger. [EDIT] Sorry, mabye a little overraction. There are far worse things than taking lewd pictures...
I have to tell you, as bad as that was, it wasn't as bad as what I saw. (Although mabye they blocked those images on ED)
@Luna: trick site?
Also, after all that junk, why was Bush Jr. at the bottom? (rhetorical, he must be REALLY unpopular)
Manchu wrote:That page and its images aren't the pit that Wrex was talking about.
Exactly. The pit is beyond human definition at least on purely realistic terms, there is no meaning to it, no inherent truth, just the fact that it is beyond what you can actually fathom as perspective based fact.
Many writers have forced themselves (at least partially) through the place I am talking about, but it still defies complete tangibility beyond the words and thoughts (images are not worth a single word here) that we would be able to understand. It takes many forms and occupies many facets, but it's core truth lies in the realization that it even exists at all.
Warrior Rabbit has this one on lock, the rest of the gang is taking it easy and leaving it smooth.
Manchu wrote:I promise you, putting your hand on the hot burner of a stove will have a more appreciable effect on you than images on the internet.
While it may not have the immediate effect of putting your hand on a stove I would disagree about it having no appreciable effect. A constant diet of this doesn't make one stronger, it twists one. You've stared into the abyss long enough and it is now staring back. It seems as if you may have been twisted since you are such a staunch defender of it. It is a very Marquis DeSade philosophy: if somethings nature is evil and it is evil than it is good. No I don't think 4chan is evil, just as an atom bomb isn't evil in and of itself. It s how we use these things that determines that.
If images did not affect us there would be little point in movies, books, television, newspapers, ect ect. They do effect us. It is duplicitous or plainly fraudulent to pretend otherwise. If images and what we see did not have ramifications just look at Luna. Anime has engrossed the entire her/his being, seeping into the pores of almost everything she/he does. There is no balance and in turn everything comes back to a reference to anime or manga. If all one does is look at pics of human misery and foulness where would that lead to do you think?
It is like turning the heat up with a frog in a pot. If you do it really fast the frog jumps out (or you pull your hand off the stove) but if you slowly turn it up he'll sit there contently as he is boiling. You don't even notice that it is happening but it is just as sure as the water is actually getting hotter. In computer terms it is Garbage In/Garbage Out. Psychologists have known (through research and study) that what we view effects us. It isn't going to make a psychotic snap or anything that dramatic. It really isn't a question of insanity or sanity but more about social interaction and cosmology.
I don't need to put my hand in a fire to know it is hot and I don't need to stare at people defecating on each other or bloated dead bodies to know it is unpleasant just as people who have experienced real violence tend to find violence in media less interesting than those who are only watching from the periphery. SAW is only entertaining if you've never been kidnapped and tortured (or been close to someone who has).
Young people, through curiosity and wanting to feel adult, and others that should know better but are weak willed will be drawn to this kind of thing. The truth is if someone had something, anything, really to do, this stuff wouldn't be worth the time. That said we all have to make our choices and if someone wants to view it so be it.
Steel Rabbit wrote:4Chan's a blight on the Internet. How can you be "new to forums in general" with 1608 posts?!
Check out when I joined and do the math. I have a lot to say, and I enjoy 4-5 forums on Dakka regularly.
Ahtman wrote:If all one does is look at pics of human misery and foulness where would that lead to do you think?
A career in forensics perhaps? I mean seriously though, someone who looks at images like some of the awful content on 4-chan all the time is bound to A.) have other more serious and pressing issues that need to be dealt with... and/or B.) for some reason has resorted to those images for various research... but that is honestly quite strange in itself.
I do think a certain amount of maturity is required to handle some of the stuff on the interwebz but most can be avoided quite easily by knowing how to surf the web in general. Search engines are quite stupid sometimes, but that is where filters come in, and I can imagine the only way to avoid bad stuff is to entirely avoid places like 4-chan in general. I can find at least 5-6 forums that represent each facet of the appropriate parts of 4-chan quite easily.
4chan is not the worst thing out there. But even an innocent browse in /tg/ can lead to some disturbing stuff (aka Sexy Farseers).
I HATE reverse psycology (spelling fail), even if it's unintended.
Smart People: Don't look at it, EF! It was gross!
EF: Oh...you sure?
Smart People: Really, we're warning you! There is some seriouslynasty stuff on that thing!
EF: ...I think I'll look at it...
Smart People: NOOOO!
(Too late, he looked at it)
I should have been clear I'm not talking about seeing something on occasion, but when it becomes a steady diet of such things. I'm also not calling for the dissolution of 4chan either. Some of the boards can be quite useful. I just disagree that images have no affect on people.
Rotten must have gotten a whole lot worse over the years then. Granted I never delved into the archives, but I do not recall seeing much worse than motorcycle crashes and the like. To be honest that is probably what kept me from getting a motorcycle.
What I saw on encyclopedia dramatica literally got burned into my retinas, and I am not a easily startled guy. I do find it interesting that I had such a serious reaction to the images on there, but what I find to be particularly disturbing I cannot even talk about on Dakka.
Yeesh... where the hell does some of this freaking stuff come from.... *shiver*
/b/ did not really shock me like I thought. If anything, it forces one to stop and think "why?", but then I just thought that people on the internet have too much time on their hands, and /b/ is the inevitable result.
Oh yeah, rotten has gotten worse. There's about 30+ pictures that the "Offended" page has in common with rotten.
Although seeing a guy who has stripped the skin from his face with glass shards or the guy who was shot "execution" style are also pretty pictures. Imagine the alien's head from the movie "Alien" except bloody and flesh colored.
The executed guy was still alive and missing his lower jaw and half of his face.
I've just read that some people on 4chan discovered the details of a 16yr old girl's life (boxxy was her online name) and posted everything about her after hacking her emails and youtube videos and then spamming the internet with calls for her to be murdered/raped/all of the above, creating images of her, sending hatemail out with her details on it.
I really do wish these people very great harm. I wish the internet had a 'reach through the monitor and skullcrush' option.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:You appear to be taking the piss?
Also, could you stop putting REALLY fething BIG PICTURES everywhere instead of content?
I wasn't taking the piss, I was cracking a joke to lighten the thread up man.
Two posts about complete evil... I react quite strongly to that, but I cannot bring myself to just get up and scream every time mate.
Apologies if I have offended you.
As to the pictures, I hesitate to respond because most of the pics I put up are appropriate in my book, and I confine most of them to the OT forum at any rate. I am not exactly running around spamming images across all of the forums.
We do not seem to share a sense of humour then, I posted something I found unpleasant and serious, you ridiculed it and me (and my mother also). Anyway, you're not her type, I thought you would have gotten the point when she smacked you round the head with a broom handle and stole your keys...
MeanGreenStompa wrote:We do not seem to share a sense of humour then, I posted something I found unpleasant and serious, you ridiculed it and me (and my mother also). Anyway, you're not her type, I thought you would have gotten the point when she smacked you round the head with a broom handle and stole your keys...
I am at somewhat for a loss of werdz... hmm... macro time!
I took a look through my recent posts, and I think this is no more than a misunderstanding. I will take your perspective into more account when I reply to you in the future, on the note of images, they work well, and I am actually quite proud of some of my posts funny.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I've just read that some people on 4chan discovered the details of a 16yr old girl's life (boxxy was her online name) and posted everything about her after hacking her emails and youtube videos and then spamming the internet with calls for her to be murdered/raped/all of the above, creating images of her, sending hatemail out with her details on it.
I really do wish these people very great harm. I wish the internet had a 'reach through the monitor and skullcrush' option.
Really, it's the internet. Get over it.
4chan is the Lord of the Flies of the 21st century. What happens when you put bored teenageers / tweens / geeks / dudes & dudettes in a completely uncontrolled and unfiltered enviroment.
It is like lord of the flies... I am actually surprised no one pointed that one out before.
4chan does seem to be mainly composed of younger people, and among younger people things tend to be rather dramatic and overtly tense/intense.
BTW, being 16+ I would expect a certain level of maturity, but after any experiences I had with school (and even college... facepalm) I hesitate to say that most kids are as mature as people would like to think. This may be purely U.S. but the amount of cultural segregation in places of learning is utterly astounding, but most colleges do not fall into this rhythm of bias, rather they expand on the interaction of people. That said... goddam college is expensive in the U.S. .
dogma wrote:4chan suffers from the same flaws inherent in any un-moderated conversation. Primarily an extremely high signal to noise ratio, and the absence of any control on hostility. Its like Lord of the Flies updated for cyberspace.
dogma wrote:4chan suffers from the same flaws inherent in any un-moderated conversation. Primarily an extremely high signal to noise ratio, and the absence of any control on hostility. Its like Lord of the Flies updated for cyberspace.
Page 4...just sayn'
Just saying that I am... unaware at times . Cool, I was wondering why I found it so odd to have deja vu.
djphranq wrote:You're only 16+ Wrex? For some reason I had you pegged as 20+ or 30- or 25% or @#$%$#
. Yeah 16+ is a pretty good definition for me, some days I am like 90, some days I am like 21 (WOOT! BEER), others I am just @#$%$#...
Like a ninja... with a camel, and a parrot who talks way too much. Or a happy face trying to eat me... no, not the happy face, NOOOOO!!!
I wonder what kind of day this is? I am thinking it is a middle-aged crisis day, I seem to be having those ahead of my time. Odd really, but having multiple mid-life crisis's (crisis's... really, that sounds quite odd though, like elephant's's' or giraffe's's') seems to make a lot of sense, because my mid-life appears to be...
Cheese Elemental wrote: 4chan does have moderators, you know, and they aren't slackers.
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Survey says: *BZZZZZZT*
there are supposed to be mods, but they are few and far between.
As a pretty regular tha/TG/uy (or fa/TG/uy) I can assure you that if you maintain reasonable security (like surfing questionable adult sites) you'll probably stay virus free.
/b/ is pretty much the cesspool of internet anonymity you've been warned about, but it is going to be addictive for a while.
Buck up! This isn't your parent's internet. Here there be Freaks.
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/B/ c*ck mongler
/B/ dat ass
/X/ Zalgo. He w҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠͇̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̿̿̿̕̚̕̚͡ ̒̓̔̕̚ho Waits Behind ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠͇̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̿̿̿̕̚̕̚͡ ̒̓̔̕̚The Wall. ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠͇̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̿̿̿̕̚̕̚͡ ̒̓̔̕̚ ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠͇̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̿̿̿̕̚̕̚ ͡ ̒̓̔̕̚,
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. Wait a tick... could that be our savior? Nope, it is his Ma', that works for me though 
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