As a sort of tag team to "The Meaning of Life" is the slightly morbid, but equally confronting question of what comes after death.

Is there a heaven and/or hell?
Are we reborn/reincarnated?
Do we return to the embrace of mother nature/god/whatever?
Are we merely food for the worms?

Personally I find the idea of being reborn, or reincarnated, quite beautiful. That would mean that those poor babies and animals and insects (too much sympathy?) that die at birth and get only a fleet chance (if that) at life, would not be in vain. As they would be reborn in another form. But this is just me.

Please think before you post. I look forward to your personal ideas/philosiphies.

Gwar's going to destroy this thread...... he hasn't been on for agers.

Gwar is dead.
We have slain the troll in the name of the EMPRAH!
...just kidding, but he hasn't been seen in a while. Mabye the amount of people agreeing with him overloaded his system or sumfink?
Anyway, why would Gwar destroy this thread?

I believe in reincarnation, but I also believe in Karma. So if you were a monster in this life, you're probably going to be reborn as a cockroach, or an e-coli if you were especially bad. The question I have is this. At the end of WWII, the population of Earth was around 2 Billion. Now it's upwards of 6 and a half billion. That means there are about 4 billion newly or recently minted souls out there. That could explain why the world is so screwed up, because I believe that after you've worked off your bad Karma and get another chance to be reborn as a sentient being, you get some sort of subconscious prompting not to make the same mistake again, and it's up to you to listen to it. That means that there are a lot of people who haven't had that experience, so they are basically living their lives without any sort of a rudder, and others who are still working their way up from whatever bad things they did in a previous life. If we get past the next hundred years without blowing ourselves up, we might just start to see a serious improvement in the Human race, sort of like what Gene Rodenberry predicted. However, I can't be help be reminded of that infamous line from Dawn of the Dead. "When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth."

hmm, but who/what dictates karma?

Oh for God's sake. This topic will go nowhere, with modest and realistic foresight.

Everyone has their own belief. I'm not scared of death, perhaps of dying, but it would be really swell to be reincarnated.

sA

I think Gwar got ban,don't think he will destroy the thread.

Also agree with sA on this one everyone one has their own belief so we won't reach a conclusion.

I belive in God so I belive in Heaven.

When you die, it is game over. At least as far as I am concerned.

Reincarnation or some other "life force exchange" might be nice, but I do not think that it happens.

I also believe that any heaven/hell is extremely unlikley.

I guess there might be some other "plane of existace" that you might move to, but again, I doubt it.

So, to recap: When you die, there is no respawning


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Emperors Faithful wrote:hmm, but who/what dictates karma?

Does anyone/thing have to dictate it? Who dictates gravity? Or any natural force? (and no, I don't believe or accept that it is "god" or some creator).

If "karma" is a force through the universe, then it is natural, like anything else and will be subject to its own laws, just as any other force is.

@Deff dred and sA: This thread is not about reaching a conclusion. This about people posting thier ideas and beliefs on life and existence. Some debate is fine as far as it goes, but PLEEZ be nice.

@Silver: So there is a force who dictates who has been nuaghty and who has been nice? (OMG! Santa's back with avengence!)

But seriously, I do not see how dying is the end. Even then, as my body falls away into the earth and is absorbed into the minerals, I am not GONE, but am simply re-embraced by mother nature...perhaps? I doubt one would be concious of it though...

For me at least, I hope to achieve full decomposition, although most of my family have been cremated, so I might do that. (not a joke BTW)

I have no real thoughts about death, besides it's inherent void-like quality, that most would start off by contrasting with intense light. The closest I will ever be to understanding... nothing, is when I manage to create inspiring art-work, transcending so to speak.

As a general rule for myself there is no after-life beyond that which I experience in this life. Beyond this I do have faith in a higher power that we are all a part of, no more no less, no face no words, and so on until that star just falls into a piece or two.

I maintain the fact that I am agnostic with a pair of x-ray goggles to see these kind of things for myself.

Personally, I would love to be cremated (when I die) and my ashes scattered off the cliffs of my home, out to the sea.

Despite my previous words, I frankly find the cold embrace of a coffin disturbing and even cluastrophobic. (Though it wouldn't matter if I'm dead). With my ashes spread to the wind, I would achieve some measure of...freedom.

Then again, there is what ancient tribe elders did. They walked into the wild, and most likely died in the sleep, or from the cold. But who would want to die alone?

I want my bones to be interred in the walls of a creepy Georgian Townhouse in London.

sA

...can I ask why?

smiling Assassin wrote:I want my bones to be interred in the walls of a creepy Georgian Townhouse in London.

sA

I have thought of asking to be made into some form of art, mainly bones of course. I live it thus I stay, or some such eternal nonsense .

Some think of this as savage, but I see beauty in such ceremonies. Perhaps I could cast a suit of armor that my bones could rest in while my spirit watches over an entrance of some kind. Very epic, I like it a lot, inspiring if you may.

Definitely.
Actually, do you know what the aborigines around here used to do? (mabye they still do)
When one of thiers died, they would wrap them in a cloak and leave them sitting up against the trunk of one of those trees (forget the name.) And over time, this tree would grow AROUND them. Encasing them in it's trunk, and so the area became a forest AND a graveyard. Each tree housing the spirit of thier ansector. Epic, eh?

I don't know what to think...all i know is when i die i want my coins for the boat man, just incase

Emperors Faithful wrote:Definitely.
Actually, do you know what the aborigines around here used to do? (mabye they still do)
When one of thiers died, they would wrap them in a cloak and leave them sitting up against the trunk of one of those trees (forget the name.) And over time, this tree would grow AROUND them. Encasing them in it's trunk, and so the area became a forest AND a graveyard. Each tree housing the spirit of thier ansector. Epic, eh?

That sounds awesome, what a great idea! I would actually consider doing that as I hold a lot of respect for the forest.

Do you have any photos of this? I would like to see it, at some point I plan on checking out the southern burbs of the planet, and I will most definitely be looking for these amazing graveyards.

@Roze: heh heh, how about a fifty in your back pocket? (I wonder if the dude has change...)

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Silver: So there is a force who dictates who has been nuaghty and who has been nice? (OMG! Santa's back with avengence!)

Haha, no - though it is good to think there is a cosmic santa.

A force is just that, it obeys its own laws without thought or judgement. It is kind of like pushing and pulling. Both are exactly the same way of applying force to an object, but one is in a "positive" direction and the other is in a "negative" direction.

If you open a draw, you apply a force by pulling on it. You then apply an equal but oposite force to push it closed. At the end of the exchange, the draw is returned to its neutral position... it is as though you had never pushed or pulled the draw.

Now, if you pull the draw open, but do not push the draw shut with the same force as you used to pull it open, the draw will remain partially open, you have an inbalance in the draw, as it has not returned to its neutral position.

I can only imagine that if there is a "karma", it will be something like the above. You push it with good deeds and pull it with bad deeds, and depending on how far from its starting position you get it will determine how much of a pain your next life will be


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In regards to the "what I want done with my body", I would not mind having a Viking flame ship... send me off to sea in a boat that is on fire... my body burns away and my ashes drift off into the air and sea.

I don't particularly want to be dug up in a few years by the reincarnations of the cast of Time Team...

@Silver: Kind of wierd that every "good and bad" deed works on a sort of meter.

About that Viking idea.
1) Have you recently slept with any mermaid-monster ladies?
2) Can you afford a boat?
3) Who's gonna set it on fire?
It is a beautiful image though. (The ceremony, not you being dead)

Mabye I would prefer Cremation because I have watched too many zombie/vampire flicks?

I believe in God, and I believe in Heaven. If I'm wrong and there's no afterlife, then I won't be conscious to know about it.

Honestly, nothing disturbs me more than oblivion. For everything I've done, for everything ANYONE or ANYTHING has done, to have no meaning at all? It disturbs me.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Silver: Kind of wierd that every "good and bad" deed works on a sort of meter.

About that Viking idea.
1) Have you recently slept with any mermaid-monster ladies?
2) Can you afford a boat?
3) Who's gonna set it on fire?
It is a beautiful image though. (The ceremony, not you being dead)

Mabye I would prefer Cremation because I have watched too many zombie/vampire flicks?

I don't believe in supernatural sentient forces (or gods, or daemons etc), so to me, any kind of Karma would have to be a natural force, like any other. It would have positive and negative ways of affecting it (woo, Karma is a vector!), with some neutral point about which you push or pull being "bad" and "good".

As for your other points: 1) No, my GF would not like it , 2) Well, perhaps a small boat... you don't really need more than a row boat with some kindling , 3) Whoever has some matches and/or wants to. Don't really mind as I am dead at that point.

If the above were not possible, I would go for cremation and scattering. Though as you suggest, it is also to guard against rising as a zombie as well as it being nicer than being left to rot in the ground.

I'd like my body to be preserved like Lenin's, just for kicks. That way, if there's a zombie uprising, I can be revived and communicate with them to save the world. Zombies and humans will then proceed to live harmonious co-operative lives.

My only prediction is that whatever comes after death will be peacefull.

However I do not include reincarnation under that title. Reincarnation would be the worst possible outcome. You mean I have to go through all this bs just to do it all over again? feth that.

Besides if reincarnation were true we would surely remember it, or else it isnt really reincarnation as your old self is gone without a memory left. Its like the cloning solution to all the worlds health problems, sure my clone will be ok, but what about me?

If you've been awesome, you go to Valhalla. If you've been lame, you go to hel which is probably like going to Disneyland with a terrible hang over. - Seriously, I don't know, but I'll find out someday. We all will.

Control Denied comes after Death.

@whatwhat: You really are obsessed with the word bs, aren't you?

As long as it's not oblivion. it's gonna be a heck of an adventure.

I could do with some oblivion right now. Some nice peacefull oblivion. Fairly sure theres no bs there.

oh for gaks sake, at least there wouldn't be idiots whose only piece of vocabulary was bs in oblivion!

The big sleep? Lookin' I'm forward to it. Which reminds me I must make a funeral mixtape.

T'worms, that's what comes after death. Perhaps I should wear a hat.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I think Gwar got ban,don't think he will destroy the thread.

I dont think he got the perma ban


On another note, I have no idea what happens when we die, I've never died so I can't help you. The was how ever a time when death frightened me, the thought of absolutely nothing bothered me so very much. At the time it seemed like in death you'd just be alone in an empty blackness. Now how ever I don't know about death, dosen't bother me much, other than the thought of how I'd die, if I got back in the military and died there , I like something quick, preferably something that took me out straight away. I'd rather not have cancer either, I'd probably just go home and put a gun to my head or something, or go do as much as possible, things I wanted to do before dying then shoot myself in the head.

Preferably though I'd be able to volunteer for some program like General Greivous....

I imagine what happens after death is much the same as what happens before birth.

I've always thought that at the moment of my death, I'm going to be paying attention. Really close attention. To every sensory input, every sensation and feeling...and I've always thought that if you can retain your consciousness, your perception of "I," to be registering those sensations, that maybe you can pass beyond the veil intact as a personality and a person into whatever lies beyond.

Whereas if you just go in a docile, sheep-like fashion, perhaps you're just lost. Or you come back. Or your energy gets recycled, who knows; but if you're aware enough to be paying attention, to not just "go to sleep," then "you" get to continue, like you've passed a test by very nature of understanding the transitory nature of physical existence and awareness of your existence as independent from this physical plane.

I'll let you know if it works in about 60 years or so, if I can find a way to post a message to Dakka Dakka from the beyond, if this forum is still around.

Pretty much sums it up.

Analogy

Bend down and look at an anthill. Hundreds of meaningless lives that have no impact on the universe surrounding them. Pick up an ant, crush it between your two fingers to experience the "tragedy of death".

Remember this the next time you take a flight on a plane. Sit next to the window, and look down on the city you just took off from. Hundreds of meaningless lives that have no impact on the universe surrounding them. Imagine one of them, dying for whatever reason, carwreck/heart attack/murdered to experience the "tragedy of death".

I hope that I'm wrong, and I try to live a moral life...but I think this is probably a pretty worthless existance....and a one time shot.


Feel bad? Don't. Your 70+ years you're allowed on this dirtball are a drop in the bucket....after billions and billions of years of nonexistance, your death will simply be a return to normalcy. Feel better?

...neither do I, it kind of sucks. Still hoping to get bit by a vampire.


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LuciusAR wrote:I imagine what happens after death is much the same as what happens before birth.

At least before birth you have something to look forward to....

LuciusAR wrote:I imagine what happens after death is much the same as what happens before birth.

lol, best answer so far. So simplistic, yet so true.

I believe after death that people live on in three ways; in memory, in your descendants and in nature.

Your mind lives on in those who remember it and your body lives on in your offspring and in the animals/plants/fungi/bacteria that devour your corpse.

Gwars on a suspension

once you die thats it, game over.

An interesting question, especially if you are a Christian.

According to Luke 23:43, during the crucifixion, Jesus said to one of the thieves beside him,"Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise."

In the book of John 20:17, after the ressurection, Jesus said to Mary, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto my father". He goes on to say he's going to his bretheren.

The bible also speaks of multiple Heavens.

Differnt levels for different levels of goodies?
So Mother Teresa get's about an 87 level, while Martin Luther King only gets 58?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism)

The more you know eh? Buddhist Trolls... who woulda' thought that up?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Differnt levels for different levels of goodies?
So Mother Teresa get's about an 87 level, while Martin Luther King only gets 58?

From my readings and what I've been taught, I think people are going to end up where they are most comfortable and can do the most good. I have been taught there is no flaming Hell as such, but that someone who lived really well is able to live in the presence of God, while someone who wasn't so good wouldn't be able to abide being with him. Being a loving Father who cares for his children, however, he will provide as good a place for us as our life here permits.

As Jesus said according to John14:2, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

A bit of last minute cleaning? lol (just kidding)

Another question, would you prefer hell, or oblivion?

Hell. They have decadence.

Oblivion. It would be very peaceful but i wouldnt be conscious to know that.

I dont like the idea of an afterlife, i mean who wants to live forever?

poof, thats it, just poof

ooh *clap* I LOVE majic tricks!

I would probably prefer hell, cos then I could do something about it.

If youre a necron warrior, then a wbb roll comes after death. Unless you got killed by str 8 weapons, or power weapons. =( Then you just get put in the shoebox.

Oblivion would be quite cool. Then you get to adventure in caves and old ruins and things. Not to mention save the world from Daedra (sp).

After i die i immediately reload my last auto save

@Silver: I KNEW this would happen when I mentioned oblivion. lol. Also, my bro has messed up the game so that you can pretty much be ANY race. humanoid or no.

Sorry, getting slightly OT here.

Yeah, I have installed loads of custom races on there. it is pretty cool, especially with some of the strange ones with all sorts of powers and weaknesses.

And yes, quite OT, but hey

But I would hate (and fear) oblivion (not the game) becuase that would mean that there is nothing left of me. My life, my achievements, my loves and joys, all my experiences, had no meaning. No effect. No worth. All my efforts would be in vain. I'd get depressed just thinking about it.

Emperors Faithful wrote:But I would hate (and fear) oblivion (not the game) becuase that would mean that there is nothing left of me. My life, my achievements, my loves and joys, all my experiences, had no meaning. No effect. No worth. All my efforts would be in vain. I'd get depressed just thinking about it.

IMO an afterlife would cheapen the life we live now. The fact that there is a limited time to accomplish what you want to do in life is what drives me to be as happy as I am. And if you think your life has no meanings after it's over, just look at anybody that had an effect on you that is gone now. Is their life meaningless now that they're not around to experience it any more? Your life reflects on other people's lives, and their lives on other's. You are a beautiful raindrop that causes the ripple effect that changes the course of history, in whatever small way, forever.

hmmm, not so depressed now. Thank you Canonness Rory.

One raindrop that makes up the rainbow as you pass through the sunlight of life.

[/sappy]

I for one would not really mind one way or the other if this is all the life you get. Many people suffer, many people live well. Many people love their lives and many people want to end them.

Whatever your life is like, we are all the same at the end, and that is somewhat comforting. To me Oblivion would be pretty much the way that I would want to experience the rest of time; ie to not experience anything.

I remember Oblivion. The swords were just like clubs, all of the monsters were exactly as strong as you were, and for some reason you couldn't rotate your body whilst riding a horse. Everyone seemed to be vaguely related and most folk had exactly the same dreary voices, and the exact same dreary things to say. The cheese was extremely crunchy, hammers broke like matchsticks and law required all locks to be of a 'cutaway' design, utterly defeating their purpose.

Even worse than reincarnation, whenever you died, you would reappear outside the last door you used.

Man, that place sucked.

We die, we rot notting more. This Oooo heaven/hell nonsense is just bs. Wake up, I finde it real hard to belive that someone acctualy belive you will live on after you have died, but then again. People voted for Georg W Bush TWO times...

@Anshal: You see, there is little evidence either way, so you CAN'T just say that heaven or hell is bs. No one can be sure what waits for us on the other side. Becuase none of us has been there (well...been there and remembered it). Just calm down a little, okay?

Well, I hope that when I die, they stick me in a metal box and hook me up to a big ass walking destruction box.

Seriously, part of me wants to believe in reincarnation and part of me wants to believe in complete and total oblivion.

On a side note, I wanna be cremated and painted into a super creepy portrait - the kind whose eyes follow you around the room.

Nothing.
Only the void.

I do not believe in the hereafter, just the here and now.

Emperors Faithful wrote: No one can be sure what waits for us on the other side. Becuase none of us has been there (well...been there and remembered it).

Step into a Christian section at a bookstore sometime. There's a whole section about people who have allegedly been to both heaven and hell and remember it because God/Jesus/some angel wanted them to tell the world about it and so they wrote a book.

simple if you have severed thy heads of many you get eaten and decay in thy warp yet if you severed thy heads of chaos, evil if you will you go to thy emperor's thorne in thy sky.

chromedog wrote:Nothing.
Only the void.

I do not believe in the hereafter, just the here and now.

Interesting but if you died, wouldn't that be the here-and-now?

I personally have never died. Has anyone and will they tell us?

Cheese and DeadShane obliquely (perhaps unknowingly?) seem to be referring to Pascal's wager, which goes something like: "If I believe in the God who rewards a life of moral striving (note, not necessarily success), and I am right then I gain everything. If I'm wrong and nothing happens, I lose nothing. But if I bet on there being no such God and no such demand to attempt to live morally and I am wrong, then I lose everything whereas if I am right then I gain nothing." So belief in such a God can be purely practical, can't it? As a practicing Catholic, I don't think so. Belief in such a God transforms one's life in some way (or at least it has mine) so that what is merely practical is no longer the appropriate quantum by which meaningfulness is measured. I think that people who think of Christian beliefs solely in terms of the afterlife are not only not seeing the whole picture but rather seeing a gravely distorted picture, just a caricature in fact. What happens in this life, what we try to do, is extremely important and not really even primarily about a reward or punishment that may or may not occur after death. Rory is on to something when she criticizes the notion of an afterlife that is merely a continuation of the mortal conscience as a cheapening of the meaning and vitality of this mortal lifespan. Human death, as I try to understand it, is apocolyptic--that is, not just an individual ending of the world but a revelation. Christians express this notion in the term beatific vision.

Wise words Manchu

Yes, VERY wise words. Well put Manchu.

@Platuan4th: How far are you willing to vouch for these people? Not only thier different RELIGEON who recieve these visions, but even the same visions are often self-conflicting.
1 man described hell as pure darkness and whispering voices, while heaven was pure light.
Another man described hell as flaming and screaming, tortured voices crying for help, while heaven was more 'Earth Like' cept nicer, and flowers sang praise to god (lot's of singing according to this guy).

My point is that I can only REALLY trust in and believe for certain what I see for myself. And it certainly doesn't help if no one ELSE has a unified, concise idea about the afterlife.

Emperors Faithful wrote:My point is that I can only REALLY trust in and believe for certain what I see for myself. And it certainly doesn't help if no one ELSE has a unified, concise idea about the afterlife.

But that's not entirely true. Many, many people agree on certain points about what the afterlife means even if they don't share the same ideas about what it will be like. And among these many, there is even some vague consensus as to what it will be like. That it cannot be described with the detail of someone's back garden is to be expected. After all, none of us have yet been there AND we're talking about something that we know about (to the extent that we can claim to know anything about it) not via touch, taste, sight, scent, or hearing but rather through faith. What we have are concepts expressed in metaphors: "It will be like . . ." etc. That's not so bad. If you think about it, that's the way we get to the one aspect of the meaning of things that we can touch, taste, see, smell, and hear. In poetry, I mean.

I meant that for those people that "claim" to have been tp heaven and hell, and are back again, I can't really trust thier descriptions as they are conflicting. If I were to die, see heaven, and come back, I would DEFINITELY believe in an afterlife..but then I would wonder if i had just banged my head REALLY hard.

Whether there is an afterlife at all, I have little-to-no idea.

I'm not sure why people who experienced these things should be expected to have had the same impression of them. We're talking about the ineffable here. (That said, I don't believe that stuff, either, lol.)

Meh, not really a religious man myself I find the whole idea of heaven and hell kind of tedious and lame.

However I would love to think that I went to massive hall full of vikings drinking and singing and sleeping with valkyries sounds like a ball !!

After life who knows, but to be quite frank people saying they have been to hell and back seems quite bs in all honesty (just my opinion dont slay me through the interwebs )

And well After death, I'll find out, or not depending on what is there lol

Yes, we all shall find out the answer sooner or later.
I suppose the best answer to this question would be:
"Be patient, you'll found out soon enough."

Meh, I've got a while to go (hopefully) and like many youths I want the answer NOW!!! *whingy voice*

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Platuan4th: How far are you willing to vouch for these people? Not only thier different RELIGEON who recieve these visions, but even the same visions are often self-conflicting.
1 man described hell as pure darkness and whispering voices, while heaven was pure light.
Another man described hell as flaming and screaming, tortured voices crying for help, while heaven was more 'Earth Like' cept nicer, and flowers sang praise to god (lot's of singing according to this guy).

My point is that I can only REALLY trust in and believe for certain what I see for myself. And it certainly doesn't help if no one ELSE has a unified, concise idea about the afterlife.

Sorry, I forgot my [Sarcasm] tags. I only know about these because of working at a Barnes & Noble for 3 years. My point in posting it was that there are people who believe they or others have been there and back and thus know what's on the other side(something that's impossible).

When you die, you wake up and realize that all of these threads were pointless.

I don't know, I don't have an answer.

@Platuan4th: hmmm, sorry. My mistake.

I hereby vote for an orkmoticon (prefferbly not an ork) that represents sarcasm. (Rolling it's eyes, mabye?)

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Platuan4th: hmmm, sorry. My mistake.

I hereby vote for an orkmoticon (prefferbly not an ork) that represents sarcasm. (Rolling it's eyes, mabye?)

Nope, that looks confused. And docile. But not sarcastic.

Apparently you have little experience with sarcasm.

Sarcasm is an art. Not many of the yoof of today are familiar with it - because it doesn't come in shiny white or describe its fatuous existence on twitter.

@Emperor's faithful: Docile does not mean stupid. Docility is a quality that has to do with being easily led.

In that case, it can be said that the yoof of today are certainly docile. Followers of the latest trend in marketing.

I 2nd the call for a sarcasm notifier. Even if it's just a set of tags that transform the text - like bolding or italics.

chromedog wrote:Sarcasm is an art. Not many of the yoof of today are familiar with it - because it doesn't come in shiny white or describe its fatuous existence on twitter.

It's probably more to do with the difficulties of communication over a text based medium, than with the dying art of being a smartarse.



Meanwhile, I have no idea what happens after you die. I suspect you simply stop being, but I don't know for certain. I think I'd rather not find out, either.

chromedog wrote:Sarcasm is an art. Not many of the yoof of today are familiar with it - because it doesn't come in shiny white or describe its fatuous existence on twitter

Thanks, old man. Maybe you should be more critical of your own perceptual faculties.

I'm erring on just The Void. I think the moments before complete death would be infinitely beautiful, though. I'm not a crazed serial killer, but I think one would be enlightened in those moments.

Reincarnation would be very, very handy.

"..and by means of this they think that men are spurred to acts of great valour, having disregarded their fear of death."

Roman Poetry/Literature FTW.

sA

dogma wrote:
Thanks, old man. Maybe you should be more critical of your own perceptual faculties.

Why yes, I AM an old man. Bitter and twisted, too. Nostalgia also ain't what it used to be.

My perceptual faculties are otherwise fine - except for the voices that keep telling me to "kill them all".

DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!?

Anyway, I was just saying that sarcasm on paper is harder too pick up than in real life, since tone and body language is absent.

Emperors Faithful wrote:... I was just saying that sarcasm on paper is harder too pick up than in real life, since tone and body language is absent.

Well said!

And to answer the thread: After death, there is jugement.
By who? How? What will happen to bad guys? what is bad?
I dont know: I just strongly believe in jugement.

Look, to really understand what happens after life, one must watch "The Meaning of Life" Pt. VII, "Death". Then all of your answers will come true.

I want to say Beauty and Peace is what we obtain from passing.

But i honestly think we will just die, blackness just nothing
Whoa... that was deep.


I know it's tasteless but i got a bad feeling about that.

I hope it has wifi.

chromedog wrote:

dogma wrote:
Thanks, old man. Maybe you should be more critical of your own perceptual faculties.

Why yes, I AM an old man. Bitter and twisted, too. Nostalgia also ain't what it used to be.

My perceptual faculties are otherwise fine - except for the voices that keep telling me to "kill them all".

Dogma is just a grump, I dare say a bigger grump than yourself! Some are born facing the "wrong" way and start out with the world looking upside-down at them... these are among the few and the separated that see life through then end... the end justifies the means, not literally but rather in a philosophical demeanor that could be entirely virtual.

Most times...

I forget who said it, but I loled.

- "I don't FEAR death. I just don't want to be there when it happens."

I like the idea of Terry Pratchett in his discworld books. Where Death comes to every man and woman that has died and leads them into their afterlife. And the point is, most people get the afterlife they think they'll get, if I recall most books correctly. If someone believes in heaven, well, then he goes to heaven. If some thinks he is a sinner that needs to repent, well, free hell for him! I think there even was a case where a non-believer atheist died and Death asked him what he expected now. I'm not sure, but I think he asked if, well, then, if there's a possibility and so on, maybe he could get to heaven, please?

Although, for the bad guys, there was some...unpretty stuff. Remember a bad guy dying and having to walk through an endless desert.
Man, need to reread some Pratchett books.

I read this one where a bad guy goes to heaven, where everyone wears whitle cloaks and is very polite and after 1000years or so he goes insane 'cos he hates it. (Too calm and boring) Turns out it's actually hell.

Witzkatz wrote:Remember a bad guy dying and having to walk through an endless desert.

For some that would be quite a peaceful way to spend eternity. If you think about it, doing the things you love in this life for eternity could get quite irritating. I suppose heaven is a blanket term for "preferred afterlife" on the whole, but I still think that any true "heaven" or "hell" takes place not in death, but in life.

I think the best afterlife I could imagine would be none at all . At the very least a minimalist interpretation of the universe, followed by endless music and lots of naked chicks .

So quiet and peaceful...then hot and pumping wiv neked chicks everywhere at different intervals?

Emperors Faithful wrote:So quiet and peaceful...then hot and pumping wiv neked chicks everywhere at different intervals?

Unless you're a Dark Angel, then all your bed battle-brothers will be there.

Naked.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:So quiet and peaceful...then hot and pumping wiv neked chicks everywhere at different intervals?

Unless you're a Dark Angel, then all your bed battle-brothers will be there.

Naked.

... dear lord... why have I been sent this message of an alternate universe? WHY?!? My eternity is now corrupted...
Too bad I didn't ask for a inter-universal nuclear arsenal