Apparently they are talking about it at Games day
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215124&page=10

Not Sure if I can link to other Forum Boards, Sorry.

Judging by what is being said on Warseer, my decision to shelf my Necrons was a wise one.

Why?

Mortogul;3865208 wrote:Necron News from GD Germany

After a long talk with Phil Kelly he told me that Mat Ward (Fantasy O&G & DoC)
got the Job to write the new Codex Necrons. :chrome:

Ever read the O&G army book? Its a joke.

Ahh man. Don't tell me that. Well; my missing necrontyr heart is keeping hope alive.

Hell, fething Mat Ward. My heart bleeds for the Necrons, you guys are gonna get screwed.

Bunker wrote:

Mortogul;3865208 wrote:Necron News from GD Germany

After a long talk with Phil Kelly he told me that Mat Ward (Fantasy O&G & DoC)
got the Job to write the new Codex Necrons. :chrome:

Ever read the O&G army book? Its a joke.

Ever hear about how DoC is kicking everyone to the curb in fantasy and everyone is claiming it to be the most overpowered book ever. Yeah.

Looks more like hes done both ends of the spectrum so I reserve judgement until I have the codex in my hands.

Bunker wrote:Ever read the O&G army book? Its a joke.

Could be worse. It could be the only man on this earth who could actually leave the Necrons with less options than they currently have - Robin 'Arbitrary' Cruddance. His friends call him 'Arby'.

I want the new Necrons to come out so we can get plastic Heavy Destroyers. My Necron army is basically complete (I only want to get 4 more Destoryers and 4 more HDs), but I don't fancy more metal/plastic Hybrids. Another new tank could be cool as well.

Ahh Matt Ward.

Necron Players, Welcome to Limbo! You're Codex might kick ass, it might suck ass. Who knows? Matt Ward, that's who!

You think the current OnG is a joke? Go read the last one. I'd rather sit there and not do S**t rather than have my unit try to kill itself...

Is it one thing or everything bad about the O&G book? Any examples? How do the DoC fare?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bunker wrote:Ever read the O&G army book? Its a joke.

Could be worse. It could be the only man on this earth who could actually leave the Necrons with less options than they currently have - Robin 'Arbitrary' Cruddance. His friends call him 'Arby'.

I want the new Necrons to come out so we can get plastic Heavy Destroyers. My Necron army is basically complete (I only want to get 4 more Destoryers and 4 more HDs), but I don't fancy more metal/plastic Hybrids. Another new tank could be cool as well.

Oh H.B.M.C., how I love you

I actually gave in and bought 3 Heavy Destroyers, mainly because I couldn't handle the steaming pile of terrible that is the Monolith.

I've heard rumors of a plastic Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer kit, where you have options for both.

lol the best thing Ive read in that thread over at warseer is the following:

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background
Necrons, forget about "We'll be back", you are toast! Enjoy the time the current Codex lasts

So ... I guess we can forget about Nec fluff altogether if this is true.
What a frikkin sad night this is ... good lord.

All the news from the crapfest that seems to have been the german gd keep getting worse. Except for FW pics that is.

Flachzange wrote:lol the best thing Ive read in that thread over at warseer is the following:

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background
Necrons, forget about "We'll be back", you are toast! Enjoy the time the current Codex lasts

So ... I guess we can forget about Nec fluff altogether if this is true.
What a frikkin sad night this is ... good lord.

All the news from the crapfest that seems to have been the german gd keep getting worse. Except for FW pics that is.

Necrons are now a long lost first-founding Marine chapter.

He also wrote the game breaking Daemons of Chaos book. So yea they will either be unbeatable or a horrible joke.

Yeah, it's bad news either way. Either they'll suck ass and no one will play them, or they'll be broken and no one will want to play against them.

But I had thought the Necron Dex was right around the corner?

If SW is next and Crons are at least a year+ away, what are the two other dex's coming in '10?

We'll be back will become something simple, army wide, and ridiculous. My money is on Invulnerable saves for all, or 2 wounds for everyone.

Bunker wrote:

Flachzange wrote:lol the best thing Ive read in that thread over at warseer is the following:

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background
Necrons, forget about "We'll be back", you are toast! Enjoy the time the current Codex lasts

So ... I guess we can forget about Nec fluff altogether if this is true.
What a frikkin sad night this is ... good lord.

All the news from the crapfest that seems to have been the german gd keep getting worse. Except for FW pics that is.

Necrons are now a long lost first-founding Marine chapter.

I loled and then shed a small tear afterwards. It could be true.
And theyre probably part of the Rhino/Razorback/Predator/LR-skating club "skeeters" as well

All of this just sounds terrible ... Goto Ward ... sheah, maybe Arkham after reading the new Nec dex

C.S. Multi-Lazor is doing the fluff?

That's awesome!

All Necrons will get MULTI-LAZORS now, and all Necron Lords will ride on top of Monoliths - even the ones with Destroy bodies!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:C.S. Multi-Lazor is doing the fluff?

That's awesome!

All Necrons will get MULTI-LAZORS now, and all Necron Lords will ride on top of Monoliths - even the ones with Destroy bodies!!!

And the Liths have special platform/balcony for that as well. Wohoooo
Im gonna sig some part of your post ... just havent decided which yet lol

Actually they said at the Chicago Gamesday that the Necron codex was further along than the DE one. I think Phil just stated who has been working on it. As well as leaving hints of fluff in various books. Like how a hand full of Souldrinker marines manage to defeat a Necron army spanning worlds. Apparently Necrons can't help themselves from jumping on lightning claws.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:C.S. Multi-Lazor is doing the fluff?

That's awesome!

All Necrons will get MULTI-LAZORS now, and all Necron Lords will ride on top of Monoliths - even the ones with Destroy bodies!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:C.S. Multi-Lazor is doing the fluff?

That's awesome!

All Necrons will get MULTI-LAZORS now, and all Necron Lords will ride on top of Monoliths - even the ones with Destroy bodies!!!

Oh dear, does this mean that there's going to be Eldar torture/rape scenes as well?

This reminds me of the 'Rapecrons' story that popped up on 4chan a while ago. MY MIND BEARS A GREAT PAIN.

That is HILARIOUS! LOL

Lets hope that all we have been told is a lie.
Please let it be a lie ...

Ok, now I am scared.

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=77273

*Begins packing Necrons in a big box*
Well i am not happy about this
not one bit

Some folks are saying his newer books are better and that the DoC army is bad ass. let me know.

What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

jspyd3rx, from what I know, DoC is game breakingly amazing.

Like, head and shoulders above everything but maybe 1 or 2 armies.

Daemons are considered broken in Fantasy because a lot of units are underpriced and they're better at everything than anyone else.

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background

AHAHAHAHA the only person that could make Necron background worse is C.S. "multilasers" Goto. And just when I thought they were moving in a good direction from the background in the 5e rule book.

The Unending wrote:Ever hear about how DoC is kicking everyone to the curb in fantasy and everyone is claiming it to be the most overpowered book ever. Yeah.

The weird thing is that you say that like it's a good thing:

"So it's undeprowered? Yeah? Have you seen this! It's amazingly overpowered! So HA!"

How is the fact that he wrote a stupidly overpowered Codex as well supposed to put any fears aside? If anything, that's worse, the fact that he varies so wildly and isn't consistent.

That wikipedia page on Goto was hilarious. Thank you.

Really! I have been thinking of starting a Fantasy army but haven't decided. My bday is like three weeks away. SO should I really consider the DoC army written by this guy?

Playing Daemons will make you lose friends.

Cheese Elemental wrote:That wikipedia page on Goto was hilarious. Thank you.

I'm amazed it's still up. Saw it ages ago and laughed a lot, but I thought they took it down.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Unending wrote:Ever hear about how DoC is kicking everyone to the curb in fantasy and everyone is claiming it to be the most overpowered book ever. Yeah.

The weird thing is that you say that like it's a good thing:

"So it's undeprowered? Yeah? Have you seen this! It's amazingly overpowered! So HA!"

How is the fact that he wrote a stupidly overpowered Codex as well supposed to put any fears aside? If anything, that's worse, the fact that he varies so wildly and isn't consistent.

No I didn't say its like its a good thing I said it like we are playing russian roulette with a loaded gun and half the bullets are hollowpoints and the others are armour piercing. I'm still gonna buy the codex though just because I like necrons and I want to see how badly they actually screwed it up.

SO basically, after he writes this codex i will become an actual useless necron pariah and no one will want to play with me? Will Multi-Gauss lazers made from adamantite be that overpowered?

You'll lose gauss, but you'll still have your multilasers. The Monolith now has options to take multilasers, and starts with three in each corner with a large multilaser on top. All Pariahs can exchange their warscythes for multilasers, and Tomb Spyders can produce more multilasers in case you run out.

I need a 'Yo Dawg' for this.

RustyKnight wrote:What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

Because Wikipedia is only as good as the last person who edited the page.

I hopeso. I want there to be a rule where you have to scream 'MULTI-LAZORS' before shooting anything, and doing so allows re-rolls.

And I want all of you to repeat that in lots of threads so that Taco Bell reports it as fact in a week's time.

RustyKnight wrote:What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

My favorite part is the 2nd sentence "He also has two children, Multi and Laser."
I couldn't stop laughing...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hopeso. I want there to be a rule where you have to scream 'MULTI-LAZORS' before shooting anything, and doing so allows re-rolls.

And I want all of you to repeat that in lots of threads so that Taco Bell reports it as fact in a week's time.

You get rending if you scream "MULTILAZORS!!!" with a mouthful of dice.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

I need a 'Yo Dawg' for this.

I second that motion but until then goto can suck a multi-laser

Bunker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hopeso. I want there to be a rule where you have to scream 'MULTI-LAZORS' before shooting anything, and doing so allows re-rolls.

And I want all of you to repeat that in lots of threads so that Taco Bell reports it as fact in a week's time.

You get rending if you scream "MULTILAZORS!!!" with a mouthful of dice.

Made me piss myself on that one.

I don't play WHFB currently, but I do sit back and talk about it quite a bit with the fantasy group at my FLGS. Demons of Chaos is game breakingly bad. In 40k there are ways to deal with them. They tend to be a one trick pony. You win big or you lose big. In Fantasy however, they are capable of destroying entire armies in one turn of magic. Generating over 60 magic dice a turn. Bloodletters are like WS 5 S5 magic weapons and only 12pts or something. They are extremely broken. Orcs and Gobbos on the other hand is just silly. Almost your entire army is capable of doing nothing but fighting AND killing itself. Every unit has to roll an Animosity test at the begining of every turn to see if they start fighting themselves. Maybe not the worst army in Fantasy, but they're bad.

Never read any of Goto's stuff, so I can't really comment there.

Could someone tell me just HOW bad his Eldar Prophecy book is?

I want to read something Eldar related but I don't want to end up stabbing myself in the eye due to a sudden case of "terribad" :(

Just stay away from any work bearing his name. Period.

Don't know about Eldar Prophecy, but the Dawn of War Omnibus has a fair amount of Eldar in it... getting the crap kicked out of them at every turn by the Blood Ravens. It's pretty horrible. Goto makes a big dramatic scene of the Avatar being summoned after spending most of the book developing the character who sacrifices himself to become the Avatar... Then Gabriel and Isador run up and kill it ignominiously, and practically without a fight before it even does anything.
Honestly I could go on and on about how horrible the book is... From what I hear the rest of his books are nothing short of irritating at the best of times. The guy clearly has absolutely no familiarity with what he's writing about. It's like a jew trying to teach a christian about christianity...

It's terrible.

All the Dark Reapers use Multilasers, Fire Dragons use multilasers that melt stuff, Banshees hit people over the head with multilasers, Guardians mount multilasers on their weapon platforms, and Fire Prisms have a single massive multilaser capable of causing nerdrage at ranges of up to 1.4 kilometres.

C.S. Multi-Lazor has a read hard-on for Eldar. In the second DoW book he has Rangers targeting specific internal organs with each shot they fire at the Marines.

He LUUUUUUUUUUVVVVVVVVVZZZZZZZZ Eldar, luvz them with all his Multi-Lazors.

Archonate wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

My favorite part is the 2nd sentence "He also has two children, Multi and Laser."
I couldn't stop laughing...

I just saw that a couple minutes ago, almost ended up on the floor.

Would this be a good time to buy a 20k point necron army as people throw them away?
Could be some use in 12th edition

The guy is a fething slow, i have no hope for the metal skellies :(

ph34r wrote:

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background

AHAHAHAHA the only person that could make Necron background worse is C.S. "multilasers" Goto. And just when I thought they were moving in a good direction from the background in the 5e rule book.

I don't know, they could have gotten Ben Counter.

No were near the same league. Ben has had some hit or miss and actually has a following with a few of his series. Goto is bad. Only writer worse is the one who wrote Descent of Angels. (don't recall his name as I have had it mind wiped)

Gav Thorpe???

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bunker wrote:Ever read the O&G army book? Its a joke.

Could be worse. It could be the only man on this earth who could actually leave the Necrons with less options than they currently have - Robin 'Arbitrary' Cruddance. His friends call him 'Arby'.

I want the new Necrons to come out so we can get plastic Heavy Destroyers. My Necron army is basically complete (I only want to get 4 more Destoryers and 4 more HDs), but I don't fancy more metal/plastic Hybrids. Another new tank could be cool as well.

Hey lets not forget about Gav "The Nerfbat" Thorpe.




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jspyd3rx wrote:SO basically, after he writes this codex i will become an actual useless necron pariah and no one will want to play with me? Will Multi-Gauss lazers made from adamantite be that overpowered?

LMAO! So funny because pariahs *are* useless.

For the record, I like Gav Thorpe and Ben Counter, and C.S. Goto is doing FLUFF, not RULES. That means that the fluff is going to have monoliths with multilasers, ruleswise it'll prolly be the same, although we might end up having to roll animosity tests on our necrons....

Stormtrooper X wrote:I don't play WHFB currently, but I do sit back and talk about it quite a bit with the fantasy group at my FLGS. Demons of Chaos is game breakingly bad. In 40k there are ways to deal with them. They tend to be a one trick pony. You win big or you lose big. In Fantasy however, they are capable of destroying entire armies in one turn of magic. Generating over 60 magic dice a turn. Bloodletters are like WS 5 S5 magic weapons and only 12pts or something. They are extremely broken. Orcs and Gobbos on the other hand is just silly. Almost your entire army is capable of doing nothing but fighting AND killing itself. Every unit has to roll an Animosity test at the begining of every turn to see if they start fighting themselves. Maybe not the worst army in Fantasy, but they're bad.

O&G are definitely the most self-destructive army in WFB. In 40k this is ok because the stuff that kills your own army gives you bonuses or sweet guns. I.e. the shock attack gun, stormboyz getting an addition D6" of movement (Even if you roll a 1! *Gasp*), or bomb squigs (sooo cute, yet sooo deadly).

Anyways, in WFB the penalties of animosity or not offset by useful bonuses. If fact, losing control of a unit because you rolled a 1 or 6 is probably the worse thing you can do to a fantasy player. On a 1 they can't charge, cast spells, or shoot. On a 6 they move forward, even if you don't want them to. YAY! What could be more fun than that? What other WFB army screws it's own player like that? Oh, right, none.


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chaos0xomega wrote:For the record, I like Gav Thorpe and Ben Counter, and C.S. Goto is doing FLUFF, not RULES. That means that the fluff is going to have monoliths with multilasers, ruleswise it'll prolly be the same, although we might end up having to roll animosity tests on our necrons....

Hey on a 1 your necrons' OS crashes and they have to spend a turn rebooting. I like it.

I'm not sure people will be happy with necrons running in "Safe" mode...i.e. All multilazors get re-rolls but no one is allowed to move anywhere.

yay internetz!!11!! bitching about something without even seeing it. I should go to dakka instead of staying here at warseer... oh wait...

We're bitching about C.S. Multi-Lazor!!! It's fun!!!!!!!

MULTI-LAZOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where the hell does this multi-laser meme come from?

Never read any of Goto's books have you? If so, I envy you sir, I envy you.

I read a Goto book once...Last month my eyes finally stopped bleeding. This was only due to my brain being distracted from the pain. Who knew taking a bath in battery acid could be so soothing. If you think I am trying to be funny....You have never read a Goto book.

Thankfully I was warned of Goto by the internets and have not had to suffer as you have.

ph34r wrote:

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background

AHAHAHAHA the only person that could make Necron background worse is C.S. "multilasers" Goto. And just when I thought they were moving in a good direction from the background in the 5e rule book.

So we've got a Codex writer making rules from totally random Fluff?

This should be fun...

Like a box of chocolates.

Perhaps when GW said "everything you've been told is a lie", they meant how Necrons were going to be absolutely nothing like what we've known them to be?

Ha, I thought they kicked Goto out after his last book that had copious amounts of SPACE ELVES in them. Not Eldar, but Space Elves. Elves in space. Has anybody actually read his Eldar novel? It appears to be so bad that even the Red Shirts - massive company tools who praise everything - despise Goto with a passion. BL thought likewise seeing as they now got Gav "Some hate me, some like me" Thorpe to write a new Eldar novel with 100% less made-up bs and Space Elves.

Ok, so I really really wanted to start a Necron Army, but now... I still want to, but I think it might be a mistake, but I still want to. I have that feeling when I sleep with my ex-wife. Maybe it is me. I wasn't tempted to read any of Goto's books however, I might be now. (This might have something to do with my tendancy to make bad decisions.)

Still, what exactly makes him so "Multilazor!?" It is just that he puts Multilasers on everything even if they don't normally have one? Don't multilasers kinda suck?

Also, if he is just doing the fluff, that isn't so bad. I am hoping that they make the Necrons better if he is just doing the fluff and not the actual rules portion of the codex.

The problem with Goto doing the fluff is that he makes it up as he goes, he doesn't bother to check what has been established and what's what.

chaos0xomega wrote: and C.S. Goto is doing FLUFF,

I don't actually think this is true.

I believe he is supposedly doing another BL book or two in the future, perhaps one that might even feature Necrons perhaps given the vague attempts at synchronicity GW and BL have dabbled in of late maybe ?

Mr. Ward is writing the codex, and has been for a while now. Last I heard there was still some debate over the inclusion of specific necron only rules ( ala WBB stylee) or a return to the previous streamlining.

He also wrote the marine codex which, so far as I can tell and have seen, if pretty well balanced and fair. Be even better if they did a fuller FAQ but ...aahhh, let's not do this rant again.

reds8n wrote:[He also wrote the marine codex which, so far as I can tell and have seen, if pretty well balanced and fair. Be even better if they did a fuller FAQ but ...aahhh, let's not do this rant again.

Finally someone who doesn't enjoy the aroma of his own whine. Does anyone have a real problem with the recent Space Marine codex? Granted, I heard it was done under the watchful eye of Jervis and Kelly but even then, it turned our pretty good. Who knows, maybe M.Ward is actually better at writing 40K rules...

And no, S.C. Goto will not write the Cron background. Anyone who took that comment as a fact should check his sarcasm detector.

headrattle wrote:
Still, what exactly makes him so "Multilazor!?" It is just that he puts Multilasers on everything even if they don't normally have one? Don't multilasers kinda suck?

Also, if he is just doing the fluff, that isn't so bad. I am hoping that they make the Necrons better if he is just doing the fluff and not the actual rules portion of the codex.

Oh God.

C.S. Goto loves his multilasers. For some reason, in his books, Marines use multilasers instead of bolters. Why? They're meant to go on vehicles and turrets! He also seems to think that Terminators are very forgetful if they have a cyclone missile launcher, and only remember it when they're about to get ripped apart by a barbed strangler instead of when said weapon was aimed at them in the first place. He also tried to make Shining Spears cool without giving them jetbikes.

If he writes the fluff for Necrons, I guarantee you that he will once again ignore all established canon to include more multilasers and hot Necron dickings.

And don't bash multilasers. My sentinels love them.

In his slight defense the point of the marines using those weapons was supposed to represent the fact that they'd used up all their own ammo and were being forced to use whatever equipment they could find to hand.

Or so he claimed in the interviews he gave on the BL site.


Not a fan of most of his work, there's some nice and interesting ideas in most of his books, I just think he has problems with the execution of them often and doesn't quite think through the implications of what he is trying to say.

What i do find odd is the whiny fanboys who've never read any of hs stuff yet still feel compelled to join in the hate. Most bizarre.

The only book (in recent memory) I can think of that was worse than Dawn of War was the novelization of Episode 2: Attack of the Clones by R.A. Salvatore.

I keep picking it up to try and carry on..

..but then my mind snaps under the pressure and.... and.... ...WHERE IS GOD NOW EH ?

Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

12thRonin wrote:Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

Please tell me you don't mean an eldar falcon?

We are talking about a bird here right? Please?

Don't forget the ridiculous miscast tables for Orcs where if you roll a 1-4 on 2D6 your wizard is flat out dead. Pretty much everything on there is terrible and their magic lore is mediocre. The entire orc book would be pretty average but then you throw in the animosity rules and there's just no positive payoff for it. There are little things thrown in like the +1 dispel dice if there's a ton orcs (but no goblin bonuses here) in combat which no one ever remembers or immune to psychology when you move uncontrollably forward (this requires you opponent to put something super close right in front of your units like a moron) but those are are pretty insignificant. It's just a bad book. We all know Demons are super broke but it just highlights that he has no idea what balance is.

People say that he wrote Space Marines and that turned out ok, but really Space Marines are GW's main products. There's absolutely no way there wasn't three levels of management looking over his shoulder to make sure he didn't feth it up. It's one thing when you're doing "the goofy fantasy army" or "the new army we are rushing out to do a combined release with 40k" but you can be sure they aren't going to let him go crazy with their most lucrative seller. I'm sure there was all kinds of stupid stuff in that book that had to be reined back over the course of development. "Hey space marines are strong they should all be like walkers and be able to treat heavy weapons like assault!!!" "No Matt..."

Maybe he's better at 40k development or something but really I hope he never touches Fantasy again.

Mat Ward's work has clearly been up and down, but I'm willing to give him a chance with Necrons. Codex: SM really isn't bad. I'm a little miffed that the army seems much more geared to shooting than assaults. But for all I know, they're leaving the "design room" there for SW, BA, etc. to feature CC more.

And I know people like to bash individual designers, but sometimes things are a team fail. I mean, apparently no one in the studio looked at DoC and said, "Mat...um..." So as far as I'm concerned, the whole organization is to blame for that one.

I know this...we don't need a gunshy designer on Necrons. IMO, we need someone willing to break some eggs to get that army in a good place.

Well then SM is a bad example of not being gunshy.. Every SM book is the same old thing

There is a reason why SMs are a bottom tier army if you dont use vulkan.. and thats because GW is unwilling to do anything to make them more dynamic and up to speed with the newest armies

the SM book was an awesome example of status quo.. as was the 4th ed book and the 3rd ed book.. The only reason the 4th ed book was any good was because of assault cannon rules and tank hunter traits

yay more tactical squads and devastator squads that totally suck

That's partially because SM have more legacy issues in tow than any other army, too. And when I recently sat down with the codex to figure out what from my old SM would translate well, etc. into the current edition, I was surprised how many changes I wanted to make. Although that might be due more to the quirks and demands of 5th edition than anything else.

Again, not saying Mat is or isn't the right guy for the job. I think Phil K. would have been a *perfect* fit for what's needed. But I'm not gonna slag the guy until I see what he comes up with. Phil K. is the best designer they have now, but even he had a bit of a clunker (Ogre Kingdoms) early in his career. Mat might grow and improve.

Although i will admit.. If necrons get some robotic sharks with freaking multi-lasers on their heads..

I would buy it

Kirasu wrote:Although i will admit.. If necrons get some robotic sharks with freaking multi-lasers on their heads..

I would buy it

I do not play Necrons, but I would probably buy those too.

Could be worse. It could be the only man on this earth who could actually leave the Necrons with less options than they currently have - Robin 'Arbitrary' Cruddance. His friends call him 'Arby'.

I don't think we need 14 monolith variants. Or the vendetta with feel no pain instead of scout. They probably took him off the project early.

Monolith-200 points
Armament-Giant Cyclone Missile Launcher crystal, 4 multilasers.

Special Rules:-The Giant Cyclone Missile Launcher can only be fired when all multilasers have been destroyed.

Wait back the boat up, Multilasers is writing the fluff portion of the new Necron dex?

I thought CS goto has recently been released from GW servitude.

number9dream wrote:

12thRonin wrote:Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

Please tell me you don't mean an eldar falcon?

We are talking about a bird here right? Please?

I think maybe he thought he was writing about a bird...

Kirasu wrote:There is a reason why SMs are a bottom tier army if you dont use vulkan.

Really? I though there were at least a couple of competitive builds that didn't require Vulkan, but I'm not paying much attention to the turney scene for 40K.

Kirasu wrote:Well then SM is a bad example of not being gunshy.. Every SM book is the same old thing

There is a reason why SMs are a bottom tier army if you dont use vulkan.. and thats because GW is unwilling to do anything to make them more dynamic and up to speed with the newest armies

the SM book was an awesome example of status quo.. as was the 4th ed book and the 3rd ed book.. The only reason the 4th ed book was any good was because of assault cannon rules and tank hunter traits

yay more tactical squads and devastator squads that totally suck

And here I thought unit balance and overall army balance was a goal to be achieved. Books shouldn't be broken at their core, and shouldn't be exploitable at the fringes. It bleaches tournament gameplay into something resembling a magic the gathering net deck competition.

ShumaGorath wrote:It bleaches tournament gameplay into something resembling a magic the gathering net deck competition.

Only you actually need skill to win in Magic. If all players play with the same cookie cutter lists, skill makes the difference, right?

And luck of the draw, I suppose.

His Master's Voice wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:It bleaches tournament gameplay into something resembling a magic the gathering net deck competition.

Only you actually need skill to win in Magic. If all players play with the same cookie cutter lists, skill makes the difference, right?

I see you don't play in the extended formats. Competitive solitaire.

So my Necrons are either going to sit until the next go around or I'm going to be just as disliked as I am now when I play them. Awsome.

Sidstyler wrote:

number9dream wrote:

12thRonin wrote:Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

Please tell me you don't mean an eldar falcon?

We are talking about a bird here right? Please?

I think maybe he thought he was writing about a bird...

ShumaGorath wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:It bleaches tournament gameplay into something resembling a magic the gathering net deck competition.

Only you actually need skill to win in Magic. If all players play with the same cookie cutter lists, skill makes the difference, right?

I see you don't play in the extended formats. Competitive solitaire.

I play all formats, including Vintage. It's in no way of form solitaire.

His Master's Voice wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:It bleaches tournament gameplay into something resembling a magic the gathering net deck competition.

Only you actually need skill to win in Magic. If all players play with the same cookie cutter lists, skill makes the difference, right?

I see you don't play in the extended formats. Competitive solitaire.

I play all formats, including Vintage. It's in no way of form solitaire.

Tell that to the average game length in vintage.

You're more likely to go to time in Vintage than any other format. And number of turns taken =/= match length.

I think I might be alone in liking my O&G army book. Animosity does suck, but there are a lot of fun units in the army.

I'd agree that the animosity rolls need something to balance it like some kind of boon when you roll a 6 instead of the blind charge you get currently, which is doing you no favors.

I don't usually play O&G to win though. Just to have fun. I'd never take them to a tournament.


I'm worried that when they update the army book they may take away a lot of what makes O&Gs so much fun: fantatics, squid herds, squig hoppers, vomiting trolls, giants stuffing guys down their pants. They may make them more tournament minded, but they'll probably hit them with the bland stick as well :(

OH FECK..

http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

phillosmaster wrote:I think I might be alone in liking my O&G army book. Animosity does suck, but there are a lot of fun units in the army.

I'd agree that the animosity rolls need something to balance it like some kind of boon when you roll a 6 instead of the blind charge you get currently, which is doing you no favors.

I don't usually play O&G to win though. Just to have fun. I'd never take them to a tournament.


I'm worried that when they update the army book they may take away a lot of what makes O&Gs so much fun: fantatics, squid herds, squig hoppers, vomiting trolls, giants stuffing guys down their pants. They may make them more tournament minded, but they'll probably hit them with the bland stick as well :(

There's honestly no reason why you couldn't keep the crazy while still being competitive. You just need to have lots of crazy, both good and bad, and have it even out in the end.


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BrookM wrote:OH FECK..

http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

What's wrong with this? I thought it was an interesting read, and he actually seems fairly likeable (and aware of the multi-lasers joke lol). Kind of makes me want to read Eldar Prophecy, just to see if the reason it's disliked is because it's not your standard noble Eldar or because it's trash.

I have to admit, despite what people are saying about his writing ability he seems to be able to take it in stride. Goto aside the real thing here are the rules. Has Ward done anything other than O&G, DoC and Marines? His fantasy is bad, but Marines are pretty solid. I know it's their flagship army so he probably had a lot of people "helping" along the way. Like most of the non-doomsayers are saying though, we're just going to have to wait until we have more substantial evidence as to what is in the codex. Not that that would really stop the sky from falling for most people here.

number9dream wrote:

12thRonin wrote:Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

Please tell me you don't mean an eldar falcon?

We are talking about a bird here right? Please?

LOL to label myself as one of the "whiny fanboys" that RedS8n mentioned I have not read any of C.S. Goto's works nor do I now feel the compunction to go out and find some.

The wiki page referenced earlier is genuinely funny. I think the above example is reason enough to get involved. Its freakin hilarious!

Bring on "...the freakin shark's with freakin multilazors!"

Stormtrooper X wrote:I have to admit, despite what people are saying about his writing ability he seems to be able to take it in stride. Goto aside the real thing here are the rules. Has Ward done anything other than O&G, DoC and Marines? His fantasy is bad, but Marines are pretty solid. I know it's their flagship army so he probably had a lot of people "helping" along the way. Like most of the non-doomsayers are saying though, we're just going to have to wait until we have more substantial evidence as to what is in the codex. Not that that would really stop the sky from falling for most people here.

Thanks for keeping the hope alive for my 'Crons

For all the O&G haters.... The tourney I was at last week I scored 3rd with all night goblins (and no fanatic spam) and another O&G player (mix of orcs and NGs) came 4th.

But I do agree that DOC is super over powered and needs to be banned.

number9dream wrote:Kind of makes me want to read Eldar Prophecy, just to see if the reason it's disliked is because it's not your standard noble Eldar or because it's trash.

Don't bother. The novel reads like the author's source material was someone who had played against eldar once a few years prior and remembered the names of the aspect temples. It also reads like a warp spider fanboy wrote it, complete with "WARP SPYDERZ R THE BOMZZZZ!!" scenes. There's a few plotlines left unresolved and some portions just don't make sense when compared to Eldar canon. The craftworld isn't one of the big four and it's traditions are different than the others, but the concept isn't presented very well.

I actually liked Eldar Prophecy, as it not only portrays Eldar in an alien manner, the traditions, the back drop, all are written through the eyes of something not human- Very refreshing to read instead of the usual "I am inquisitor Blah and I know more about the eldar than themselves" type attitude which normally comes from Authors when trying to write about something not from this earth.

That said I havn't read his human based books.... sold with a multilaser bookmark!

cheers
W

[edit] Dawn of War series
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War (2004)
Dawn of War: Ascension(2005)
Dawn of War: Tempest (2006)
Dawn of War: Multi Lazerz (2008)
Dawn of War: Necron Menace, With Multi Lazers (2009)

[edit] Deathwatch series
Warrior brood (2005)
Warrior Coven (2006)

[edit] Reception
C.S Goto's books have caused mixed reviews and heated debate amongst readers. Negative reviews of Goto's Warhammer novels have criticised the author's lack of adherence to the established backstory of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Most prominent among these are the Dawn of War novels which are based on the PC Games by Relic. Another looming concern for players of Games Workshop's Warhammer 40k tabletop game is that the race known as the Necrons, will devolve into Multi Lazer wielding undead, thereby breaking the game with a multitude of multiple multi lazers.


Straight from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto

You forgot the part about his kids, Multi and Lazer.

Man, who the hell undid all the funny on that page? Someone own up so I can kill you with a cheese grater.

It gets fixed every now and again. The first time I saw it Multi-Lazor was damn near every second word. Every book title had 'Multi-Lazor' in it.

It'll get changed back.

It is one of those things that is totally stupid and yet really, really funny.

I really did 'laugh out loud' the first time I read it.

Got some weird looks at work for that one...

Anyway, the scorn shown C.S. is generally deserved.

But, to be honest, a good editor could ave saved him, and us, a lot of pain.

We at GW are proud to present C.S. Goto's new take on the Necrons! Get ready, Living Races of the Galaxy! The Era of the GAUSS MULTI-FLAYZOR is nigh!

His Multi-Lasors are over 9000!!!!!!!!!!

Ixquic wrote:Don't forget the ridiculous miscast tables for Orcs where if you roll a 1-4 on 2D6 your wizard is flat out dead. Pretty much everything on there is terrible and their magic lore is mediocre. The entire orc book would be pretty average but then you throw in the animosity rules and there's just no positive payoff for it. There are little things thrown in like the +1 dispel dice if there's a ton orcs (but no goblin bonuses here) in combat which no one ever remembers or immune to psychology when you move uncontrollably forward (this requires you opponent to put something super close right in front of your units like a moron) but those are are pretty insignificant. It's just a bad book. We all know Demons are super broke but it just highlights that he has no idea what balance is.

People say that he wrote Space Marines and that turned out ok, but really Space Marines are GW's main products. There's absolutely no way there wasn't three levels of management looking over his shoulder to make sure he didn't feth it up. It's one thing when you're doing "the goofy fantasy army" or "the new army we are rushing out to do a combined release with 40k" but you can be sure they aren't going to let him go crazy with their most lucrative seller. I'm sure there was all kinds of stupid stuff in that book that had to be reined back over the course of development. "Hey space marines are strong they should all be like walkers and be able to treat heavy weapons like assault!!!" "No Matt..."

Maybe he's better at 40k development or something but really I hope he never touches Fantasy again.

If you ask me he DID mess up Space Marines. Thunderfire Cannons? REALLY? How does that suit the SMurf playstyle at all? They are supposed to be a hard-hitting fast-moving assault/strike force, they shouldn't be toting around artillery... and there are other things, but I dont want to derail this thread.

Phil K. is the best designer they have now, but even he had a bit of a clunker (Ogre Kingdoms) early in his career.

I am counting the seconds until Phil K. realizes the error of his ways and takes the noble crusade to fix my chosen fantasy army upon himself.

and this thread is too hilarious lol

Well thats cool. I always thought they were a cool army.

Alpharius wrote: But, to be honest, a good editor could ave saved him, and us, a lot of pain.

I attended an interview at Black Library and was fortunate enough not to get the job. However, during the interview process it intimated that essentially there is little or no editing process, other than spell-checking and other proofing. What is published is pretty close to the manuscript's raw form, hence the page long sentences in the Ciaphas Cain books.

chaos0xomega wrote: If you ask me he DID mess up Space Marines. Thunderfire Cannons? REALLY? How does that suit the SMurf playstyle at all? They are supposed to be a hard-hitting fast-moving assault/strike force, they shouldn't be toting around artillery... and there are other things, but I dont want to derail this thread.

According the fluff, my Imperial Fists are siege specialists. Plus Space Marines are supposed to have access to ancient arcane wargear. Makes sense to me, certainly much more so than stealthy or fleeting terminators.

I attended an interview at Black Library and was fortunate enough not to get the job. However, during the interview process it intimated that essentially there is little or no editing process, other than spell-checking and other proofing. What is published is pretty close to the manuscript's raw form, hence the page long sentences in the Ciaphas Cain books.

No offense, but unless you're a successfully published author elsewhere, that's just bitter grapes. "Yeah.. I'm a programmer, but I'm soooo glad I didn't get a job at Microsoft.. I'm much happier coding in my basement for no money."

As for the quality of writing at Black Library.. They're an in-house publishing imprint for a niche hobby. If you expect to read anything that would qualify for a Nobel in Literature, you're an idiot. If, however, you expect to read something fun and easy on the can, much the same as the average housewife follows Oprah's bookclub, then we can talk. Yes, there still are standards, and yes, Dan Abnett is head and shoulders above DeSoto, or whatever the heck his name is. But neither are high literature, and they both write for a very small and captive audience.

Barakia wrote:

I attended an interview at Black Library and was fortunate enough not to get the job. However, during the interview process it intimated that essentially there is little or no editing process, other than spell-checking and other proofing. What is published is pretty close to the manuscript's raw form, hence the page long sentences in the Ciaphas Cain books.

No offense, but unless you're a successfully published author elsewhere, that's just bitter grapes. "Yeah.. I'm a programmer, but I'm soooo glad I didn't get a job at Microsoft.. I'm much happier coding in my basement for no money."

As for the quality of writing at Black Library.. They're an in-house publishing imprint for a niche hobby. If you expect to read anything that would qualify for a Nobel in Literature, you're an idiot. If, however, you expect to read something fun and easy on the can, much the same as the average housewife follows Oprah's bookclub, then we can talk. Yes, there still are standards, and yes, Dan Abnett is head and shoulders above DeSoto, or whatever the heck his name is. But neither are high literature, and they both write for a very small and captive audience.

I think the point being if you are an in house niche publisher that publishes works centered around your parent company's IP you have an obligation to ensure your hired gun authors handle or treat the source material correctly. No one is expecting a pulitzer prize but at least lets get the dart somewhere on target when building a novel in GW source material.

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Manuscripts should still be professionally edited. End of story.

I've been thoroughly impressed with the Horus Heresy series thus far. Definitely has got me more fired up about 40k then I have been for a while. (probably because I really enjoy some of the 40k fluff)

On topic: I'm hoping the Necrons play similarly to the way they do now, with some tweaks to allow for the realities of 5(e) (i.e., gauss get -1 on glances, WBB=FNP, expanded HQ choices, etc...)