Damn near almost bought two. Then my obsessive compulsiveness took over and I realised my mind would never cope with owning an extra Broodlord and an extra Librarian... that and I own Space Hulk. Both versions. And both their expansions... twice over.
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Also included are: 105 gaming counters, 24 corridors, 10 rooms, eight crossroads, eight T-junctions, six corner sections, four dead ends, four end pieces, 20 doors with plastic stands, one mission status display, and three plastic mission objectives, including: a dead Space Marine on throne, a Blood Angels artefact and a Cyber-Altered Task Unit. Plus a sand timer and five bone-coloured dice unique to this game.
I'm still trying to work out what part of this has never been done before, aside from charging $165AUD for an all cardboard board game with single part miniatures.
fynn wrote:how many people are gona be upset thats its cardboard corridors, and not the much hyped and rummoured plastic corridors????
Not me, that's for sure. I wanted cardboard corridors, and looking at the pics the joins appear to be exactly the same, so they'll fit with the old tiles and the old old tiles, and, for those of you that remember it, even the Tyranid Attack tiles.
That's 100% what I wanted out of this, and I got it. Another cool thing is this version won't be in French like my copy of SH 2nd Ed.
Spacegoat wrote:I'm still trying to work out what part of this has never been done before, aside from charging $165AUD for an all cardboard board game with single part miniatures.
Nothing about it hasn't been done before. GW were lying through their teeth and out their asses simultaneously - did you expect anything less?
Really? Was that not obvious? Was it the Blood Angels iconography all over the models or the vampire teeth on the librarian that made it difficult for you?
I'm not so sure about the road-kill stealer, but I'm loving all the other poses so far. Also, I'm happy that I've finally managed to get a copy of SH as I could never afford it the last two times around.
Someone needs to do a diorama of that flamer terminator hitching a lift from a Land Raider
H.B.M.C. wrote:Nothing about it hasn't been done before. GW were lying through their teeth and out their asses simultaneously - did you expect anything less?
There's letting the rumour mill work itself into a frenzy and there's outright lying. So yeah, I am surprise. And a little butthurt, but that'll heal.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing about it hasn't been done before. GW were lying through their teeth and out their asses simultaneously - did you expect anything less?
The shirts did mention that everything we knew was a lie.
Spacegoat wrote:I'm still trying to work out what part of this has never been done before, aside from charging $165AUD for an all cardboard board game with single part miniatures.
Nothing about it hasn't been done before. GW were lying through their teeth and out their asses simultaneously - did you expect anything less?
I bet you if GW is confronted about that, they'll just say "Oh... Ahem! Uh, we were talking about, um, the mystery box! The mystery box has never been done before..."
That lie is what made this dramatic unveiling so anti-climactic.
Oh sweet, they also added the release date: 5th of September. Meaning two weeks from now, give or take if GW's Mail Order Trolls are as generous as always.
They could have said "Space Hulk is coming!" and then revealed little bits over the next few weeks, or even just a picture (like that great box art) and slowly revealed little bits of it over time - a new part every Monday or whatever.
But no. We got lies and self-important bullshittery from the monkey-feths at the GK studio instead. Bravo.
Still - cardboard tiles and a big honkin' Broodlord!!! Can't complain.
Spacegoat wrote:I'm still trying to work out what part of this has never been done before, aside from charging $165AUD for an all cardboard board game with single part miniatures.
Nothing about it hasn't been done before. GW were lying through their teeth and out their asses simultaneously - did you expect anything less?
I bet you if GW is confronted about that, they'll just say "Oh... Ahem! Uh, we were talking about, um, the mystery box! The mystery box has never been done before..."
That lie is what made this dramatic unveiling so anti-climactic.
Anyway, got mine from the UK. After shipping it will cost the same as the Aussie one without shipping - so it gets delivered to me, and I don't have to fight over people at my local GW for it... or if I really like the box, pop up and buy another.
Well I ordered mine. Might have to sell off the FWBA termi pads I have as it looks as if those will be doing double duty. Now to see if GW can get it to me, I have the worst luck with mail order, most of my stuff never shows up or is damaged /missing part of the order. Its absolutely crazy the bad luck I have had with their mail order. Been looking to pick up a space hulk set off and on for years and a good set alwasy seem to go for about $100 any ways so this is a steal as far as I am concerned.
Well I think its a let down... Flat card tiles again and terminators that are going to need a lot of chopping to use outside the game unless you have a Blood Angels army... Had one on order at my flgs which I've now cancelled. There are a lot of better games out there for the price tag...
Mick
If they limit the production run on this, they are FOOLS!!! Of course, now they'll probably have Forge World make resin corridors and stuff for it. Wasn't there another game similar to Space Hulk called Space Crusade that allowed the use of Orks, Space Marine Scouts and even Eldar? That would be awesome.
One thing I never liked about the Broodlord model is how humanoid/non-alien he looks. This new Broodlord looks more genestealerish, which is great.
But genestealers, with each facelift, seem to look less and less alien and more and more humanoid. These new ones are the most humanoid looking yet. Kinda lame...
Archonate wrote:One thing I never liked about the Broodlord model is how humanoid/non-alien he looks. This new Broodlord looks more genestealerish, which is great.
But genestealers, with each facelift, seem to look less and less alien and more and more humanoid. These new ones are the most humanoid looking yet. Kinda lame...
Hmm... I guess your right, I'm thinking the same now.
Well at least I can understand why it was marketed this way and made 'limited edition' they have managed to shift them to the panic and impulse buyers. If they had marketed it as usual and people saw what they were getting long before it could be ordered they would of had time to think and realise its not that good or value for money these days.
This is probably going to be the start of a long line of 'Mystery Box' releases to get people to buy games that would not of otherwise sold very well...
Mick
I think the fact you get 11 gorgeous termies is worth the price tag alone. 3-5 mins each to remove the "scenic" base and rebase them on 40mm's to make them 40k legal or just magnetize them so they can be swapped between 40k and SH, everything else is more or less "free".
If someone doesn't have SH already (like I do) how is it a bad value? It's $79 through most places offering 20% discount. That ends up being $15-20 US more than most PC or PS3 games that you play for what? A week at most before the novelty wears off.
It looks compatible with the original SH tile wise so is a good buy for the "vet" gamers that want to have an excuse to dust off their copies again.
Some people just can't be made happy.
Mick, you can somehow see into the future and know that if GW hadn't done what they did this SH would be utter fail? Must be nice to have precognitive powers.
I won't be buying it. The dead marine etc. are nice touches and it's a great update but i was really hoping for plastic tiles. As said before there's better things I could spend my £60 on. Bit dissapointed tbh. The models are far betetr than I expected and it's nice the tiles look like they'll fit with the oldies but I on't get the use from it as a game without the 3d scenary to use in other games too.
Kilkrazy wrote:If only there was a range of 3D space hulk style corridor scenery made by some third party company!
I do believe that I can help you there, good sir! There's this wonderful company called Litko Aerosystems. They produce top-quality Industrial Towers and Space Corridors.
George Spiggott wrote:Can anyone see any proprietary dice or have any clue about the rules?
As Yakface pointed out, there are 5 normal D6's in there, no proprietary dice, and from the looks of the templates (and the timer) it could be very 1st-Ed-ish.
George Spiggott wrote:Scenery isn’t plastic (or vac-formed thankfully) but I’m still interested in this.
Bit difficult to vacu-form card-stock.
George Spiggott wrote:I still don’t understand why it is limited edition.
So GW can produce a 6 x 4 moulded gaming board for £146.80, but making a plastic SH board is beyond them? Well that's one sale lost. At that price, this box set has to be up there as one of the biggest rip offs they've ever done. Card board tiles... my arse!
I think you may be correct there, well the 2nd ed space hulk came with stealers in blue plastic so why not.
I think this box is an amazing set TBH, with those minis being brilliant, why do they still bother with metal with plastics like these? However from a cost point, considering how much they have claimed making initial moulds for plastic costs i'm not sure they arent making a loss on this set if its really limited to 5000 units as we've heard, which could be the 'first time ever' thing we're hearing bout ''hey guys we've made a product, then limited it enough that we can never profit from it, yaaaay''????
Well, I've bought mine!
I'm sure that I will get more use out of it than I would a Baneblade.
Not sure what to make of this bit of info, from the highlight bit that flashes up newest products etc.
"Yes, Space Hulk is back! With the SAME great rules and glorious new miniatures......" Quote from GW homepage
I wonder if this will be fully compatible or contain the older add ons?
Will it be another GW copy/paste cockup?
Time will tell, time will tell!
Sigh... ordered even though there's no plastic corridors. I'll probably shelve it for 6 months, then float it on EBay before they do a second run. Or I'll crack the pack and enjoy a great game and around 180$ worth of miniatures I bought for 115$.
I will be buying a set. Still torn as to whether to file off the Blood Angels bling & replace with DA bling... I guess it *might* be worth going from having 30 Deathwing terminators to 40... and 1st ed SH was all about the Deathwing, so it'd fit. But then there's the option of starting a Blood Angels army... hmm.
Makaleth wrote:The models in this are full of awesome.
I might have to get this for the models alone (and give HBMC the rest )
No! No more Genestealers... I will however 'liberate' the board sections for you.
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Ian Sturrock wrote:and 1st ed SH was all about the Deathwing, so it'd fit. But then there's the option of starting a Blood Angels army... hmm.
Deathwing was all about Deathwing. Both previous Space Hulk releases had BA's on the cover and BA's as the main protagonists. Deathwing were only added later.
So yea, the only lies that have been told were by GW themselves. Nice shirts guys.
GW: We are introducing a "Mystery Box" game...ooooooo
Fans: Is it Space Hulk?
GW: No, its something we have never done before! It will be awesome!
Fans: You sure its not Space Hulk? Cause that would be cool.
GW: No, its not Space Hulk.
2 Months later:
Fans: I think it might be Space Hulk.
GW: ITS NEW! WE'VE NEVR DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS!
Fans: Sheesh! Fine we give, what is it?
GW: Ok you got us, its Space Hulk!
I'm just curious why this was so hush hush. It was supposed to be announced at Germany and they got nothing (like Chicago), but instead opt to send out a rinky-dink newsletter (which hasnt come out yet I might add). You'd think the con would have been the place to expose it for the hype value.
Appears I might be wrong about my 'three sprue' theory. Pics at the website show us a Lightning Claw Termy, there's 1-2 Thunderhammer Termies, the Sergeant, killer awesome Librarian, a bunch of Storm Bolters, a Heavy Flamer, and an Assault Cannon.
I'm impressed with the minis, with a little lick of paint they would turn up pretty ace. But for $165 AUD i will not be buying it, that's a wee bit too pricy for me, might just see if i can bitz buy some models if i need em or maybe to just paint them to add to a model collection.
hoooray!
I just ordered 4 copies of it, so it looks as thought I will be starting a dirty Blood Angels army, and finally doing the actual core units to go with all my big bugs!
I'm quite pleased, except that now I have to wait again!
I really, really like the whole set-up. The mini's are very nice, varied, and not pre-painted (and hopefully 40k scale.) The chits and board look to be thick and durable, but I'm not sure what to make of the scoreboard. The price is significant, but in a weird twist, if there are any expansions for me to spend more money on I'd think it was a great deal. By itself, its a really want, but maybe pass maybe not at the moment. Any clue to what edition this is?
I'd like to see a final rumor scorecard, who got what right, what was wrong. The rumor mill worked overtime on this, and so much rumor and speculation was taken as fact (or at least passed around to the point of being accepted) that a timeline might be interesting. I wonder if there is any data to be gathered on the behavior of internet communities.
Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Well, I've bought mine!
I'm sure that I will get more use out of it than I would a Baneblade.
Not sure what to make of this bit of info, from the highlight bit that flashes up newest products etc.
"Yes, Space Hulk is back! With the SAME great rules and glorious new miniatures......" Quote from GW homepage
I wonder if this will be fully compatible or contain the older add ons?
Will it be another GW copy/paste cockup?
Time will tell, time will tell!
Another GW lie.
The first edition Spulk rules were good until the introduction of Librarians, then they went steadily downhill.
The reason for still producing metal figures is because plastic is only cost effective if you make a large number. In this case, 100,000 Librarians have been made, which is possibly more than all the other metal Librarians in the world,
I like the marines, especially the dead one in the chair. Maybe they'll release a box seperately online? That's what they do now yeah? "Online exclusives". Because otherwise they're shooting themselves in the foot by not making the miniatures more widely available.
i dont care what the arguements and sad faces are about, i never got my hands on the old copies of SH. so looking at the old set now compared to the new set i am still excited. its a board game i can play with a complete beginer, with good looknig models. How can you go wrong bar the rules which we dont know yet?
so its a bit pricy but consider its a one off release (wait a year and that'll be a lie due to deman and strongly worded emails ) i am happy enough paying. Makes a break from "roll for deployment type... ok.. damn i didnt go second!!"
H.B.M.C. wrote:Deathwing was all about Deathwing. Both previous Space Hulk releases had BA's on the cover and BA's as the main protagonists. Deathwing were only added later.
You're quite right, now I think about it. I actually got introduced to the 3 sets all at the same time, and it was the Deathwing fluff that gripped me way more than the BA stuff.
Still -- I'm pretty sure I can turn those winged teardrops into winged swords without too much trouble.
Time to dust off my other two core sets and my Genestealer and Deathwing board sets and the
ones that came with White Dwarf all those years
ago. Very thrilled and excited.
Cardboard and single-piece plastics? Your time and (hobby) money would be better spent on finishing off that Eldar (or whatever) army you've been working on.
Oh god...
Despite the lies, this is more than worth the wait for me.
As long as the game rules turn out to be good I'm very happy.
If not, I have some nice mini's and I can get the old rules as Kilkrazy points out.
They look 40K scale but without the Terminator bases,
the Terminator bases would overlap the carboard so
they would have to redo the boards to make them wider
or make smaller bases to keep olds board pices usable.
It looks like they could be added to round bases if you
wanted to.
Wow, I can understand the Mystery Box hype. That looks TERRIBLE. Glad I didn't get my hopes up that it would actually be something good. Cardboard corridors, and poorly sculpted SM minis.
I think it's just because there not on bases that they look small. Also with them being dynamically posed that takess some height away from the mini as well, so I wouldn't worry these will be just fine
Ordered, £58.50 isn't that bad for a redo of a classic; just have to see if MG can get it cheaper (they are still trying to find out from GWbtw).
Looks great, re the speculations, the only thing its missing is the bells and whistles (sound effects) but who really needs that when you can shout Dakka Dakka or GRIBBLE/HISSSS when playing!
Who knows if they like the response to this game then GW might even support it! Haha, sometimes I kill myself!
i ordered mine today. after talking to my local independant hobby store (who doesnt sell GW) . i was pretty annoyed at the price tag. Oh well ive wanted this for ages, ever since the rumour of the black box. i had the 1st edition and some expansions but they never survived the several house moves and disapeared into the warp somewhere.
re: 3d corridors, im going to be making some with my hirst mold kits. pics to follow once im up and running.
Bloodsbane wrote:The more I see, the more I expect to hear these guys aren't 40k scale
I agree, and how many people are going to be disappointed when they realize they are getting solid red plastic Termies and Blue/black Genestealers. Personally I would have put time and money into plastic corridors and the rule book. Then required the players to purchase their Genestealers and Termies separately for the game. To bad there are other manufacturers out there who have been making better versions of Space Hulk tiles than GW. GW really missed the boat on this one, IMO.
I feel it worth pointing out that a full 3d with walls etc version wouldm given that you are playing agaisnt the clock (well eggtimer anyway) would be extra awkward and fiddly too.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes the community to generate rules for the other races. I always thought the IG rules for spacehulk that came out in citadel journal was interesting approach. A bit like "Send in the next wave" but always ending with your IG getting brutally ambushed.
I ordered mine. Australians on warseer are already complaining their online store is sold out... HBMC, was that your fault?
I want one, as i do not own a previous edition of SH. I love it i used to play with a friend of mine years ago. I just won't be able to afford one until the 3rd, hopefully there will still be one when i can afford it.
NecronLord3 wrote:To bad there are other manufacturers out there who have been making better versions of Space Hulk tiles than GW.
Really? Where? I ask because outside of the Doom board game and the lifeless SWRPG tiles that Wizards make, I've not seen too many sci-fi tiles that you don't have to go to the expense of printing yourself.
NecronLord3 wrote:To bad there are other manufacturers out there who have been making better versions of Space Hulk tiles than GW.
Really? Where? I ask because outside of the Doom board game and the lifeless SWRPG tiles that Wizards make, I've not seen too many sci-fi tiles that you don't have to go to the expense of printing yourself.
I'll have to find internet links to things I've seen in the past. But I noted at Gencon alone there were 3 booths selling fully 3-D Sci-Fi corridors in 28mm scale.
Edit: Here is one small example, though I know there are full sets manufactured from other companies.
aka_mythos wrote:I ordered mine. Australians on warseer are already complaining their online store is sold out... HBMC, was that your fault?
I only bought one, and I bought it from the UK. The 'Sold Out' was there from the moment it went online, just like the Blastscape and the Defensive Line Planetstrike releases. GWOZ is just fething hopeless at everything.
Seriously?... Where's that guy been. These minis are better than the AoBR terminators. These minis are way better than the classic terminators from 1st edition or 2nd edition of Space Hulk. So what if they aren't the umpteen billion option part sprues, you don't need that for this game. If the minis bother anyone so drastically they can shell out for the kits and mount on smaller bases.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:I ordered mine. Australians on warseer are already complaining their online store is sold out... HBMC, was that your fault?
I only bought one, and I bought it from the UK. The 'Sold Out' was there from the moment it went online, just like the Blastscape and the Defensive Line Planetstrike releases. GWOZ is just fething hopeless at everything.
Seriously?... Where's that guy been. These minis are better than the AoBR terminators. These minis are way better than the classic terminators from 1st edition or 2nd edition of Space Hulk. So what if they aren't the umpteen billion option part sprues, you don't need that for this game. If the minis bother anyone so drastically they can shell out for the kits and mount on smaller bases.
Not to mention that the Muli part plastic Termies are vastly superior to these. The Faces look CHEESY and the ornamentation looks lame. Forget anyone wanting to pick these up who isn't a BA fan.
NecronLord3 wrote:Not to mention that the Muli part plastic Termies are vastly superior to these. The Faces look CHEESY and the ornamentation looks lame. Forget anyone wanting to pick these up who isn't a BA fan.
Check the sig, I play both these armies...oh happy day for me eh?
NecronLord3 wrote:I agree, and how many people are going to be disappointed when they realize they are getting solid red plastic Termies and Blue/black Genestealers.
Ehm, maybe the same ones who are disappointed when they realize they are getting grey plastic when they open their regular box of troops?
If you paint them who the cares what color plastic they are.
And if you think the sculpts are poor you must not like very many of GW's sculpts, because these are right up there with the rest of them. More detailed than regular Terminator even.
The limited release tag will encourage the ebay hikers to buy up a swathe and then put them out on ebay at inflated prices. If GW is wise, it will pull that tag due to 'overwhelming demand for our new release' and keep it running in the background. Personally I'm impressed and it's tempting but ultimately with that price tag for a box with minis from two armies I don't collect, I will have to pass. The Broodlord is spot on, the dynamic poses are win. Just a shame they made the termies so chapter centric.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:The limited release tag will encourage the ebay hikers to buy up a swathe and then put them out on ebay at inflated prices. If GW is wise, it will pull that tag due to 'overwhelming demand for our new release' and keep it running in the background. Personally I'm impressed and it's tempting but ultimately with that price tag for a box with minis from two armies I don't collect, I will have to pass. The Broodlord is spot on, the dynamic poses are win. Just a shame they made the termies so chapter centric.
I was hoping that the terminators could be used for any chapter.
I'm the most disappointed that the Terminators aren't easily used in my DA army, or any other army for that matter. I think the sculpts look great but I really hate Blood Angels (probably from a past trauma involving a BA player I disliked) and I'm not a good enough sculptor to make them DA.
I love Space Hulk. I'm on the fence. I guess I wanted models that I could put into my 40K army, and I don't think these terminators and genestealers lend themselves to that. Maybe I'll team up with someone who wants the models and I'll keep the tiles.
Iron Bear
Oh, and a sand timer? They couldn't find a little Chinese-made electronic countdown timer?
Me, I'm happy.. long term blood angel player, so these terminators will get alot of use.. and there very very pretty...
As to the whole marketting thing...
Yeah... lame...
Basically... the "thing they've never done before" is....
a) A limited edition board game
b) Resurrect a reaaaaally old game
c) Have a sand based timer in the game ?
Now... here's the real rumour mill going forward.... that'll get a few salivating again...
If this is successful (which to be honest, no matter how many on here say they won't buy it, they're tons of others out there who will... so it'll pretty much sell out..) they might... might.. resurrect a few other games.. perhaps.. a similar kind of game, but of a more fantasy slant... cough*WH-Quest*cough...
What with people predictions of next years warhammer renewal, and GW's "only one game per year" policy.. 2011 for the above ?
I'm pretty enthused by the BA styling as well.. and the inclusion of fangs on the serg... a sign of things to come ?
I'm not going to name sources (naming sources is BAD... RE a earlier thread in the old mystery box stuff...) so, take what I say with a pinch of salt, total disdain, complete trust or the mad ramblings of a internet nobody.. just wait for my "told ya so" in a couple of year time ; )
NecronLord3 wrote:Not to mention that the Muli part plastic Termies are vastly superior to these. The Faces look CHEESY and the ornamentation looks lame.
*agrees*
It is like getting engaged to the really good looking prince/princess and and finding your ring is costume jewellery...
NecronLord3 wrote:Edit: Here is one small example, though I know there are full sets manufactured from other companies.
Yeah I know about Dwarven Forge's stuff, but it's not especially practical. It's also expensive and you have to paint it. Space Hulk is simple, and the tiles work wonderfully well. Better yet, these just appear to be new art on the old tiles, meaning they'll fit with all the old tiles. Can't think of a better result than this honestly.
Vindicare101 wrote:resurrect a few other games.. perhaps.. a similar kind of game, but of a more fantasy slant... cough*WH-Quest*cough...
I hope not. I, like many others here, loved this game along with our gaming group. Then as the characters finally survived more than the first 2 levels, we figured out really fast that you can't live past level 4 or 5. The monsters just do too many dice of damage. The best armor in the game can't mitigate it. This realization broke the game for us. I sold my copy shortly after.
I wanted plastic tiles too, at first, but you (should) quickly realize that it would make the price go up so significantly that's it's rather unrealistic to expect.
I'm sure that for most people the cardboard option outweighs the alternative of paying at least double the price they are asking now.
Odds on how long before we see diaromas featuring a marine sat on the old toilet model--like in that BA motifake pic--, the old on the throne Lord Macragge model and then this then ?
He might actually just be disappointed. There's a big cup of suposed alcohol, but no Space Wolves. Therefore it was filled with water by the more polite Space Wolves who had emptied it before the battle.
Looking at the other 'setup' promotional pic at the GW website, the dice appear to be the right size for 'normal' GW models - and the Termies are all red plastic, the 'Stealers are blue.
Please tell me these are normal scale If so ill take 5 boxes
Models look amazing, why couldnt they put this effort into normal models?
May play the game, but ill possibly just buy it for the models like i did AoBR, price is steep, but models are amazing.
Just because I fell like playing the devils advocate. The quality of the painted figures is great but what if GW is making another planet strike crater snafu and the webpage is showing the master models?
warpcrafter wrote:After a second look at the entire contents laid out, I predict the purchase of many little zip-lock bags to keep those cardboard counters in order.
Correct. Thats what we did back with the first edition box of counters....
Models look great but then why wouldn't they? If I had the spare cash I'd pick it up, but right now I just don't. Maybe if it's still available around xmas time I'll look into it.
Im just pissed that i wont get paid till the end of the month :(
If they run out before i can order a set then i think ill be hunting them down on ebay (and no doubt having o pay 20% more)
I can't believe people would not buy this because they think the tiles are not good enough? Absolutely ludicrous!!
I'd challenge you to find better printed card floor plans/tiles. Plus consider this; 95% of all wargames are played on flocked battle mats, bed sheets over books or painted chipboard! Hardly realistic or inspired or whatever else has been thrown.
In retrospect plastic boards would be too expensive/bulky when you consider the amount of plastic already in the box, disappointing but for a "stand alone" game fully supportable, especially to keep the game down to the price tag (I’m sure it was £40 the last time it was released, so I’m not phased by +£18).
It looks like GW has done what their detractors have complained they don't a re-introduce a classic game, which lets face it most old scrots like myself have been badgering them for years!
Well done GW, this time GW = win (on this issue only, I reserve the right to amend this if any vacu-forming takes place between now and receipt of Spulk!).
Also there was an ad in the GW site when I logged on (starfield, black shape growing bigger, SH box, termies, genes, loud noise AD), anyone else getting this this morning?
notprop wrote:I can't believe people would not buy this because they think the tiles are not good enough? Absolutely ludicrous!!
Listen whippersnapper, when I played this game back in the early 90's they had cardboard tiles. And its now 20 years later and they havent come up with something a touch better, especially with their CAD and injection moulding from china?
Looking at these, and the old ones, I prefer the old ones. I'd prefer something different after 20 years to be honest. I have no desire to go back to this. Hell, I could open some old WD's and reprint some of the old tiles on cardboard or foam now, like they toild you to do in the old days.
I absolutely love the look of this set. Gotta have it. I still think it would be more economically viable to have it stay a part of GW's catalogue for longer than this "limited release" crap, but overall I'm totally excited about this.
I know I'm going to get bashed but I'm not impressed!
For $100 I would expect plastic walls and tiles...
the Figures though cool looking... are on non standard bases and are Blood angels instead of Non discript Marines. I thought the original ones were Ultras and DeathCo.
Bash away... too much coin for what it is, and I'm a guy that bough a Reaver and a T-hawk....
Listen whippersnapper, when I played this game back in the early 90's they had cardboard tiles. And its now 20 years later and they havent come up with something a touch better, especially with their CAD and injection moulding from china?
Whippersnapper? WHIPPERSNAPPEEER!!
Well when we played Rogue Trader in t' 80's we could afford "tiles" we had to play in mud! An' not that nice smooth mud you had in t' 90's but smelly mud with gravel 'n glass in it! I'll not talk about the shoe boxes we has to sleep in, but there were shoe boxes!!
kaiohx wrote:It was supposed to be announced at Germany and they got nothing (like Chicago), but instead opt to send out a rinky-dink newsletter (which hasnt come out yet I might add). You'd think the con would have been the place to expose it for the hype value.
I've tried to figure out GW's thinking regarding their events, and all I can come up with is that they really view them as a store and nothing else. I mean, I understand that they're trying to drive more fans to their Web site instead of rumors sites, etc. But what a late 20th-century company (yes, you read that right) would do is announce it at an event to whip up the fans, while simultaneously releasing that info to their Web site. But GW clearly no longer views their events as being worth much in marketing terms
Okay, rants aside, the miniatures look nice and I really like the BL redesign. It's a big stealer and not some kind of cheesy, weird mutant man-thing. I'm getting psyched for the new Tyranid codex now.
Im just happy the blood angels are featured for once.. Guess its all fair, UM get the cover of the SM book, SW get their next codex and blood angels get space hulk
If I weren't moving house right now with more important things to buy (like somewhere to sit and a TV...) I'd get one.
As it stands my only hope is that this a taste of things to come when BA get their own 'dex. Those minis are gorgeous (although I don't like all the dead marines under the 'stealers - that always looks dumb if you you use the models to play against anything else).
H.B.M.C. wrote:Leave Quest alone. Got a few friends that I'm playing Quest with through at the moment and we're having a great time. I don't want new rules.
I just want a re-release So I can buy it for non-enormous ebay money
I still think it would be more economically viable to have it stay a part of GW's catalogue for longer than this "limited release" crap
Its limited release because it will be limited to the first and only run of production, who knows what number this will be? Someone that had been to the German GD mentioned that there would be 5,000 copies in released in Germany. Taking this to be the case then you have to assume (I know!) that there would be propotionally more manufactured for the UK, US, Aust/NZ markets. Therefore I don't think the "Limited Release" will be that limited, possibly say 50,000 units. However repoduction costs will be prohibitively expensive for smaller "restocking" production runs so GW limits its exposure to the initial (assumed) large production run.
For anybody complaining about the cost/cardboard, here's a few things to chew on:
1. Were you to buy current GW models for this, (10 Termies and 20 Genestealers), you're looking at $80-100 bucks easy, unless you got lucky with AoBR and BFM models. On top of this, these are all new (and good quality) plastic sculpts. The cost for plastic molds is huge compared to metal. GW making this limited edition means they have a higher cost to recoup. (Personally, I'd wager we will see these minis again, considering the upfront costs involved, but what do I know?)
2. Believe it or not, the cost for GOOD cardboard printing is not cheap. Don't believe me? Check out any "nerd" boardgame out there right now. They regularly run $50-$80, and they consist of far less cardboard, far less substantial cardboard, that doesn't have such nice print quality, that doesn't have the kind of intricate "jigsaw" cut, and don't have the scuff-resistant gloss coating that this appears to have.
For reference, check out this (and others if you want) pic of Battlestar Galactica. This is a $50 game, and the cardboard board is way less beefy, and the minatures you get are atrocious (soft plastic "army men" level sculpts). http://boardgamegeek.com/image/361693
You may not like it, but it's obviously done with an eye to quality and the price reflects it.
Have you thought about making panels and such out of the cities of death sprues and the new planetsrike fortifications for the space ship corridors? The new 40k tower (the one with the gun emplacements) has a door bit which is perfect for a space hulk door for example.
I realize that cardboard corridors are kind of a let down, but look at the quality of the terminators and genestealers compared to the poseless little torsos with the stick on arms from the original/2nd edition warhammer.
And hey, they may have some blood angels icons here and there, and they may even be red plastic: but isnt that part of the challenge? picking up that knife/dremel/tube of greenstuff and then priming and painting the fething thing the way you want it?
Just because it's an ultramarine, or in this case a blood angel on the box, doesn't mean it has to be played and modelled/painted that way.
I was on the fence until I saw that new Terminator Librarian.
Then I ordered one double quick.
I'm glad it is here, and slightly disappointed that the Mystery Box wasn't a Mystery after all - I was hoping we were getting Space Hulk (which we knew all along) and something else was in the Mystery Box.
Still, I'm happy it is back - but it is a bit odd that it is limited.
I'm hoping for some WD support in the future too, but that might be asking for too much if it really is limited...
Ok Space Hulk its better than I expected I was expecting same p*** poor minis moulded Termies and Genestealers.....
I didnt expect this and to be honest GW has outdone itself.The only downside is the price bit pricey and why limited edtion ??.
I will be getting it for the Minis as I am not a big player the Terminators will go in my Crimson Ravens army the dude in the throne (Is he dead?) will go as a sacred relic in a Land Raider.
The Genestealers well they could go in a Genestealer Cult army or a Cities of death Tyranid army
BOSS_PIMPALOTZ wrote:I will be getting it for the Minis as I am not a big ...
I'm sure someone will offer you for the tiles, rule book and everything else. If its limited enough and people are desperate enough, you might get the vast majority of it payed off by selling just those a parts.
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i really love the drunk marine sleeping on the chair while his bretheren are fitghing to defend what he had left for them in this huge golden cup.
maybe there was some sort of heavy cocktail in it, like long island icetea ?! ... well we'll never know. but i think those termis were celebrating some sort of majorca sangria-party in this room. -.... standing in a circle around this huge cup on the floor and drinking cheap sweet whine with straws.
and than suddenly the nids entered the party. all of the marines but one, deticated to protect the cup started to seek and destroy the nids. and the one left over continued drinking. than, when they were pushed back into their party room by the nids attacks, they found their drunk brother sleeping in the chair ... .
Plastic tiles would have needed to be painted, and most players would never get them to look as nice as these printed tiles do. For the board gamers who will play this out of the box, the attractive cardboard tiles are a lot better than plastic. For those of us too busy to paint all our minis as it is, nicely printed terrain is also a blessing.
As much as I would like to say GW wouldn't be so stupid as to invest that much money into creating a plastic sprue for a limited edition game, I remember Battle of Five Armies and shudder...
I'm also wary this is GW testing a game at a $99 price point, to see if we'll buy. It would explain all the hype.
Minataures are beautiful though, let's hope the rules are up to snuff.
the_trooper wrote:Think I could get this through my LGS? I would rather send the money their way.
Normally, I'd say support the LGS, but in this case as with other limited releases, you'll really be taking your chances.
Another article on the GW website, Space Hulk Is Back, is at this link.
Anyone procrastinating on getting this item who really wants it take note of this text from the aforementioned article:
"This is a one-off, limited edition product, with a single print run. If you have any interest in owning your own Space Hulk, I strongly suggest you advance order a copy today. Do not wait, because when they're gone, they're gone (although one of the Studio team did hint at a doing 50th anniversary edition in 2039). And DO NOT put this on your wish list, forget about it and expect to get one..."
I'm so glad to finally get a rerelease of this classic game, and I'll be placing my order soon.
I think the cardboard tiles are fine, though I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed.
However, I'm actually more confused than disappointed.
1) Why release this as a limited edition?
2) Considering that GW already had plastic Terminators and Genestealers ready to go from the two previous box sets, why did they go through the trouble to redo these plastics? I'm betting that the price could have been much cheaper if they had gone that route ($50-60 instead of $100). Will it have something to do with the limited edition aspect of this set and the normal set will have the generic Terminators and Genestealers? And if so, that seems like a bigger waste as many buyers would probably prefer to have the generic versions.
In any case, I'm already in. And I hope the sales will be large enough to encourage GW to rerelease their other out of production games.
Yeah you're right, did the reading. The lignin in cardboards and processed papers protect the cellulose and hemicellulose from biodegrading, by resisting fungal and microbial digestion. Unfortunately the chemical means of breaking down lignin is actually a harsher method, that makes the process of recycling sometimes not worth while.
That said, I don't plan on recycling my space hulk.
NecronLord3 wrote:Edit: Here is one small example, though I know there are full sets manufactured from other companies.
Yeah I know about Dwarven Forge's stuff, but it's not especially practical. It's also expensive and you have to paint it. Space Hulk is simple, and the tiles work wonderfully well. Better yet, these just appear to be new art on the old tiles, meaning they'll fit with all the old tiles. Can't think of a better result than this honestly.
My point was that lots of people were excited about 3D tiles and considering the awesome job they've done on their building kits, it seems only natural to have done the Space Hulk tiles some 3D justice. Anything less is just disappointing.
TBD wrote:I wanted plastic tiles too, at first, but you (should) quickly realize that it would make the price go up so significantly that's it's rather unrealistic to expect.
I'm sure that for most people the cardboard option outweighs the alternative of paying at least double the price they are asking now.
Price go UP? I'd gladly spend money on this set at $150 or $200 if it just came with Space Hulk Corridors. As it stands now, I have no desire to purchase it at all. GW has demonstrated that they can release the terrain kits for significantly cheap prices relative to their other model kits. But lets not even get into a cost argument with GW, they lose every time.
Weird. I tried to pre-order just now and had my card declined for some reason(I have more than enough for it), but when I check my account there is now a $99 chunk missing, but no transaction and no order on the GW site.
Time to contact both GW and my bank(mostly so that I can make sure I can get this)...
the_trooper wrote:Think I could get this through my LGS? I would rather send the money their way.
Normally, I'd say support the LGS, but in this case as with other limited releases, you'll really be taking your chances.
Another article on the GW website, Space Hulk Is Back, is at this link.
Anyone procrastinating on getting this item who really wants it take note of this text from the aforementioned article:
"This is a one-off, limited edition product, with a single print run. If you have any interest in owning your own Space Hulk, I strongly suggest you advance order a copy today. Do not wait, because when they're gone, they're gone (although one of the Studio team did hint at a doing 50th anniversary edition in 2039). And DO NOT put this on your wish list, forget about it and expect to get one..."
Another interesting thing to think on is that looking at these blood angels, I think it gives us a fare idea of where GW will take their aesthetic when they get their codex redo. Its good to see GW will do that little bit of extra aesthetic work to help make more than just color a distinguishing feature of the space marine chapters.
The_Chaplain wrote:Pretty sure that "drunk" terminator's head is a skull.
Here is a very poorly MS Paint attempt at what the sergeant can look like with about 5 minutes worth of cutting/greenstuffing/filing.
It would actually make a sweet basis for a lysander or calgar conversion I think.
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that is def. true. and with another 5 minutes it suddenly looks exactly like batman ! .
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just kidding.
of course you are right. i think it really won't be much effort to remove the BA-specific symbols, etc.
[/quote I'm sure someone will offer you for the tiles, rule book and everything else. If its limited enough and people are desperate enough, you might get the vast majority of it payed off by selling just those a parts.
Yea thats an Idea the dude in the throne is he a dead dude???? as the possibilites for him as a Chapter Relic would be awesome.
This whole 'Mystery Box' thing was way, way too much hype for what it turned out to be.
Don't get me wrong. I love Space Hulk. And I've already went to the online store and bought this newest edition. Still, it was way too much for a board game.
The price is actually pretty reasonable when you think about it.
Imagine if GW had simply made the rules set available online, complete with printable PDF's for the floor tiles etc (to be glued onto decent card stock).
You'd still need the models (10 Terminators, Captain, Librarian, 22 Genesquealers, 1 Broodlord) all of which tots up to more than the asking price for the boxed game, so yeah, pricey it is, but worth it in my opinion.
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AlexCage wrote:Going to try to incorporate this into Family Game Night.
I gots heavy FLAMERS, Little Suzy! Where's your 4 hotels on Park Place now, bitch?!
Little Suzy wrote:Why, behind my Broodlord and his 22 friends of course
To answer a couple questons showing a few posts back:
1) This game was outsourced for production. Limited releasing it means a spike in sales, no long-term inventory worries to pay taxes on and the like, and no need to make shelf-space for it in GW stores.
2) It is a stand-alone game designed to sell well as such. At the same time, it was clearly designed to have something new to catch the eye of existing 40K model collectors.
The reasons for redoing the models and making this a limited release is as follows:
1. The original Space Hulk models were really pretty basic compared to what players like to see nowadays. They were more like 3D game counters than the almost individual characters in this set.
2. Original Space Hulk was in production for years and they may have worn out the moulds, or something. They claim to have lost the dies for cutting the tiles.
3. A run of 100,000 isn't very limited for a specialist tabletop wargame. GW most likely did a deal on the production costs and are confident they will sell out and make a good profit.
pombe wrote:
2) Considering that GW already had plastic Terminators and Genestealers ready to go from the two previous box sets, why did they go through the trouble to redo these plastics? I'm betting that the price could have been much cheaper if they had gone that route ($50-60 instead of $100). Will it have something to do with the limited edition aspect of this set and the normal set will have the generic Terminators and Genestealers? And if so, that seems like a bigger waste as many buyers would probably prefer to have the generic versions.
I have a feeling it's to make it more than a simple redo, get a mass of sales based off the figures (because I think most of us who have laid down cash today will admit they've played a big part in that decesion) and boost the look of their bottom line for the Shareholders. Personaly I'm all up for that, and if it sells by the bucketload would love to see other games brought back to life as you went on to suggest.
Of course saying that, anyone thinking how awesome a remake of Deathwing would be looking at this redo, I mean each of the named Dark Angels with their tribal heritage markings etc. Damn.
I was just told at the local GW store that there will only be 5000 copies worldwide. If you pre-order at the store you have to pay immediately, and they expect that if you wait a week (which I initially was planning to do) everything will be sold out.
Now they have claimed things like this before, and those turned out not to be true, so I'm not sure what to think, but 5000 worldwide doesn't seem like a lot to me considering there are about 300(?) GW stores and of course all the local game stores.
What is the point of having demo games, for example next week, when there would be no games available left to order if the customer wanted one?
They also stressed that they are sure there would not be another "normal" release afterwards.
I'll probably end up ordering one at the store tomorrow to be sure...
BrassScorpion wrote:To answer a couple questons showing a few posts back:
1) This game was outsourced for production. Limited releasing it means a spike in sales, no long-term inventory worries to pay taxes on and the like, and no need to make shelf-space for it in GW stores.
2) It is a stand-alone game designed to sell well as such. At the same time, it was clearly designed to have something new to catch the eye of existing 40K model collectors.
Many thanks for clearing that up. Outsourcing the game makes sense, and I didn't think of that.
I do think that the new models look great, but I am sad in that I don't have a Blood Angels army and was looking forward to something more generic.
Kilkrazy wrote:1. The original Space Hulk models were really pretty basic compared to what players like to see nowadays. They were more like 3D game counters than the almost individual characters in this set.
2. Original Space Hulk was in production for years and they may have worn out the moulds, or something. They claim to have lost the dies for cutting the tiles.
3. A run of 100,000 isn't very limited for a specialist tabletop wargame. GW most likely did a deal on the production costs and are confident they will sell out and make a good profit.
I apologize for not being more clear. I meant that GW already having the plastics of the Terminators from AoBR and the Genestealers from the Macragge sets, not from the original Space Hulk sets. If it's a run of 100,000, then I'm glad because that is a large run and probably won't sell out right away, giving a lot of people a chance to experience this really great game.
It seems to me that the rules regarding "ordering" are inconsistant- depending on where you are based.- EDIT This is for store allocation only......
I went into my local GW and was offered to 'pre-order' my copy, no cash down, just turn up on the morning of 5th between 9-10am and I can pay then! Score- couple of weeks to juggle the finances- AND GUARANTEED that I have my copy- excellent!
Also, how do we know that this was definitely outsourced?
When Space Hulk appears in stores on the release day there will be an extremely limited number of copies available and they are only selling it in the GW stores for that one day. There are 360 GW stores around the world right now and only a few copies for each store to sell.
For anyone who really wants Space Hulk, order it now while you know you can get it. I wouldn't count on being able to grab one in an actual retail shop unless you know for sure you can get there on the day, know how many copies they will have, and know how many people might show up ahead of you to grab it. Get your Cabbage Patch dolls, errr, I mean Space Hulk now before you have to trample-or-be-trampled to get it.
Well when we played Rogue Trader in t' 80's we could afford "tiles" we had to play in mud! An' not that nice smooth mud you had in t' 90's but smelly mud with gravel 'n glass in it! I'll not talk about the shoe boxes we has to sleep in, but there were shoe boxes!!
You had mud? Back in my day when WD had adventures, we had to make our own mud. We just had dirt!
Platuan4th wrote:Weird. I tried to pre-order just now and had my card declined for some reason(I have more than enough for it), but when I check my account there is now a $99 chunk missing, but no transaction and no order on the GW site.
Obviously GW are getting more obvious about raping our wallets... Now they're just outright stealing money and not sending any figs at all...
1. Were you to buy current GW models for this, (10 Termies and 20 Genestealers), you're looking at $80-100 bucks easy, unless you got lucky with AoBR and BFM models. On top of this, these are all new (and good quality) plastic sculpts. The cost for plastic molds is huge compared to metal. GW making this limited edition means they have a higher cost to recoup. (Personally, I'd wager we will see these minis again, considering the upfront costs involved, but what do I know?)
Those costs are irrelevant to anyone playing any amount of time. I got terminators and stealers lying around, as I'm sure anyone thats played a good amount of time might have. Hell I got chaos and IG lying around too to use for it.
2. Believe it or not, the cost for GOOD cardboard printing is not cheap. Don't believe me? Check out any "nerd" boardgame out there right now. They regularly run $50-$80, and they consist of far less cardboard, far less substantial cardboard, that doesn't have such nice print quality, that doesn't have the kind of intricate "jigsaw" cut, and don't have the scuff-resistant gloss coating that this appears to have.
For reference, check out this (and others if you want) pic of Battlestar Galactica. This is a $50 game, and the cardboard board is way less beefy, and the minatures you get are atrocious (soft plastic "army men" level sculpts). http://boardgamegeek.com/image/361693
You may not like it, but it's obviously done with an eye to quality and the price reflects it.
Apples and organges comparison. Its not an interlocking game. Personally you don really need it to interlock....
aka_mythos wrote:The poor poor IG. Keep sending in waves of fodder. I guess the Stormtroopers were too smart, and the Ogryns too big.
Kinda the point with IG. Their not really equipt well for boarding actions. As for the other two, I just dont think they got around to it. Could be done this time around...
the_trooper wrote:Think I could get this through my LGS? I would rather send the money their way.
It will be somewhat allocated, but if your LGS is on the ball and puts in an order, you should be able to get it. I have 20 coming to each of my two stores, (Philly area, USA, info probably not applicable to a LGS in another country), I'd expect that some will be available to all GW accounts based on their size. Some were also sent to the US games distributors, (Alliance, ACD, etc), but not a ton, so probably heavily allocated.
Call your LGS, make sure they put in an order. With it shipping in two weeks, time to get the order in is now.
yeah,
SOld! hahaha... I didn't even have to think about this.
Looks Awesome. sure there's no plastic corridors which sucks but that's the rumour mill for you! We Kinda have ourselfs to blame! although GW could have just said 'nope.. not happening.'
There is a plastic CAT (which makes me happy!) and other objectives.
@HBMC I hope the corridors connect up with 2nd ed... I knew there was a reason I didn't sell it last week.
I Hope there is support in WD too, like the fangs of fenris. That was awesome.
Man those Terminatours look AWESOME! I can't wait to get them! I have never played the Real Space Hulk (aka board game) so I can't wait to try!
I really hope it's going to be avaible in other ways than only Direct Only. If not, I'm gonna make a crusade to hunt off someones head...
So whos with me?
Every fantasy flight game is cardboard and amazing quality.. those sell well and also cost 70-100$..
What little it comes with? as said before those terminators + character are worth a lot and so are the genestealers.. The board game part is basically free
lol low quality miniatures.. did you look at the pictures? even stuff from AOBR is higher quality than virtually every other company..
Besides blastscape which I will write off as a fluke GW makes very very high quality stuff..
No plastic corridors is fine with me. They add very little to the game, make it longer to set up and models may not fit well
Yeah, I'm pretty sure 5 minutes per model with a file and a little green stuff and they can be any chapter you want. Only slight issue may be removing the shoulder insignia without too much damage.
As far as the cardboard vs plastic goes I'm all for the
cardboard. The main reason is it allows me (and others)
who might already have the older SH sets to make
larger and different maps. As far as the price goes I
think $100 is more then fair when you look at what you
get and if you had made the board plastic the price
would be reaching much higher.
Oh no, I have no reason at all to be angry. It's not like I was lied to or treated like a child or anything genuinely infuriating or anything like that.
OH WAIT.
Every fantasy flight game is cardboard and amazing quality.. those sell well and also cost 70-100$..
$70 actually would have been a much more realistic price point, but then they wouldn't make as much money from their limited production run, eh?
This could easily be made into a permanent item and used to recruit people into the hobby. You could sell this gak at Wal-Mart for god's sake. Someone tell me why that's a bad idea?
What little it comes with? as said before those terminators + character are worth a lot and so are the genestealers.. The board game part is basically free
The only reason they're worth more is because GW overcharges for the gak in the first place. And the board game part should be basically free considering it's made of cardboard.
lol low quality miniatures.. did you look at the pictures? even stuff from AOBR is higher quality than virtually every other company..
No, I didn't look at the pictures, because my eyes were just ripped out by angry raccoons a couple of minutes ago you insensitive jackass!
But yeah, I know what you mean. Pictures never lie, right? They've never showed off one supposedly high-quality product and sold us ass instead. Never.
As for your claim about AoBR being much higher quality than every other miniatures company in the world, prove it. Otherwise I'm not impressed because I can make claims just as baseless.
Like it's been said before, there's a world outside GW.
Besides blastscape which I will write off as a fluke GW makes very very high quality stuff..
You can't claim that everything they make is high quality, and then just write off the stuff you don't like.
No plastic corridors is fine with me. They add very little to the game, make it longer to set up and models may not fit well
Very little? Since when was having more terrain a bad thing? Could no one but me find a good use for plastic walls or tiles? Not only that but they most definitely would add something to the game, they would make it much more interesting to look at and play, and most importantly, make it worth the cost. I, personally, can't justify $100 for this game, but if you can then more power to you. In fact I hope you buy two of the fething things, because apparently without people like you GW would probably just go under.
The only reason the figures wouldn't fit on it is if they purposely designed them not to, which would be pretty damn slowed if you ask me. And I don't think it would take that much more time to set up than cardboard would.
Valhallan42nd wrote:I'm liking the apothecary terminator, myself. I'd like to get closer shots of all the models.
The actual models, not the 'Eavy Metal painted ones.
Anyway, I don't really care, I guess. I knew it was Space Hulk, I knew they weren't going to do plastic corridors and such for it, the only thing that peeves me is the fact that GW jerked us around with it in the first place.
I gotta say that if I'm going to spend that kind of money it's going to have to be something that supports the game I already play. I don't want to make another investment into a new game that may or may not have a few models that can be converted over to work for both purposes. If the models are in scale with 40K modles then it would be a good investment (you'd pay more for 10 terminators). If not then I'll pass.
For me, it's well worth it because I don't yet have enough TH or LC termies, and the only librarian termie I have is one from 1st ed Space Hulk era (came with the Genestealer expansion), and the other termies are would certainly be usable in bigger games, and I fancy a tyranid army at some point. But it's *also* worth it because the game is brilliant in itself, and is certainly at a fair price point when compared to Euro-style boardgames, board wargames, etc., when you consider the quality of the components.
Has anyone been into their local GW to see the actual miniatures yet? Ithought all shops were getting ones to paint? They still look small to me... (which could explain the never been done before- 20mm 40k...)
Mick
Mick A wrote:Has anyone been into their local GW to see the actual miniatures yet? Ithought all shops were getting ones to paint? They still look small to me... (which could explain the never been done before- 20mm 40k...)
Mick
Not to my knowledge. On Saturday our Battle Bunker didn't even know it was going to be Space Hulk so they most definitely didn't get the minis to paint.
GW website has just crashed, or the server slots are all full, I wonder why
I will personally wait and see if I like the models, they're very nice and I hope they release them normally, but I'm not too certain I like them that much
GCMandrake wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure 5 minutes per model with a file and a little green stuff and they can be any chapter you want. Only slight issue may be removing the shoulder insignia without too much damage.
Artist's Impression:
*claps like an impressionable youth* ooo ooo do one in black armor and grey hair? pretty please mr. magician man!
seriously though, I might have to order a box of these, just for the minis.
Also, could this be a hint at blood angels getting more love down the road? let the xenos rage begin
Mick A wrote:Has anyone been into their local GW to see the actual miniatures yet? Ithought all shops were getting ones to paint? They still look small to me... (which could explain the never been done before- 20mm 40k...)
Mick
Not to my knowledge. On Saturday our Battle Bunker didn't even know it was going to be Space Hulk so they most definitely didn't get the minis to paint.
I'll have my copy by the weekend, and can size them up,...and then play 'demo' games all night with my new red and blue buddies.
Mine is already pre-ordered! I'm not sure I need more 'Stealers (since I have all of them from the original 3 Space Hulks) but laying my hands on those Blood Angel Termies will give me a wonderful excuse to finish off my BA army in style!
Not impressed.
*Card* board tiles = flashback of 1995 card terrain!
I thought (hoped) those dark times were long past.
I would, gladly, have paid £100-150 ($150-250) for a SH with plastic (Cities of Death compatible) terrain.
As for people buying several copies thinking they will make a buck on Ebay - wake up!
Even though an unopened box of *the original* SH is somewhat valuable, this new edition (if really printed in 25.000 copies (!?)) will hardly sell over the original GW price tag. Ever.
This said. I am really pleased that SH is rereleased.
Will start building a massive 3D board (fixed corridors - but with ways to create different maps by blocking paths).
It shouldn't be too difficult getting hold of spare rulebooks from players who bought 2 or more copies for massive map games).
kendoka wrote:
Not impressed. *Card* board tiles = flashback of 1995 card terrain!
I thought (hoped) those dark times were long past.
I agree (shudders) the card terrain was irritable however i am making some terrain from a set of moulds i have and if it doesn't work i will use stuff!
I guess if they wanted to do something different, they could have made acryllic tiles with the printing on the underside or something simple like that.
Not at all interested in this. I hate tyranids and loathe Marines, there's absolutely zero nostalgia value in this either as I've never been one to sing SH's praises. It's always seemed like such a limited game.
Works great for me, since I never bought termies for my BA.
I own Descent (Base game and all but latest expansion) and Doom (Both boxes) from FFG. And if the Space Hulk tiles are anywhere near their quality, I will be very satisfied
Considering GWs recent dealings with FFG, I am hoping they went to the same people who created the Descent/Doom tiles.
The durability of those is fantastic. I would never find the time to paint all the plastic needed to create a SH board. Plus the price would have at least been double.
Now if they do a plastic battleforce sized corridor set separately, I may have to consider it.
So what rules does this game use? The last edition didn't have a Librarian or Broodlord (Patriarch) IIRC. Are all the rules updated or just little extras added for the new units?
The Power Cosmic wrote:I want this, but I just can't justify $100. Not when I'm working on a Ork army and planning for Warmachine mkii. Maybe one of my friends will get it.
Never fear, it is done. You may have to play the stealers for our first game, though...
I love the models and would have liked plastic tiles, but fine with cardboard.
The GW rumor mongering, meh. I think it's silly to feel lied to, that's a bit dramatic. Car companies prosecute people who sneak shots of their concept cars. I think GW has mishandled rumors for awhile and it hurts them overall with those of us who want to be excited, but not enough they can see it. Back in the day, red shirts used to have access to a "special" website and I downloaded a realease schedule with new fantasy chaos, ogre kindoms, at least three years of advance stuff. We used to whip customers into a frenzy because WE were excited. I think this works a lot better. We had over twenty preorders for the necron box in our store alone. How many do they get now-adays for army boxes?
Ozymandias wrote:So what rules does this game use? The last edition didn't have a Librarian or Broodlord (Patriarch) IIRC. Are all the rules updated or just little extras added for the new units?
My opinion is that the rules are the 1st edition plus the Deathwing and Genestealer expansions. That's based on the type of dice, egg timer (1st edition) and the presence of Libby and Broodlord (magic.)
They may have tinkered with it a bit. I haven't looked closely enough to see if grenade launchers and assault cannons feature.
I've been hoping for a re-release of the game that hooked me into this hobby so I'm thrilled and already placed an order.
Would I have loved plastic corridors and walls ... you bet !! I wonder if it may be something GW is planning for the future? Someone a few pages back mentioned that saw some pre-production mock-ups. Who knows ??
When I placed my order, by phone to speak with a human, I confirmed that the miniatures are, indeed, 40K scale. Whew !!! Although I am a little worried they may be bendy "army men" plastic ... the bases look too much like the old green toy soldiers.
Myrthe wrote:...When I placed my order, by phone to speak with a human, I confirmed that the miniatures are, indeed, 40K scale. Whew !!! Although I am a little worried they may be bendy "army men" plastic ... the bases look too much like the old green toy soldiers.
They also said the mystery box is not Space Hulk...
Mick
Agamemnon2 wrote:Not at all interested in this. I hate tyranids and loathe Marines, there's absolutely zero nostalgia value in this either as I've never been one to sing SH's praises. It's always seemed like such a limited game.
I actually agree here, except for the tyrannids thing.
As for nostalgia - the game was fun to play but it just wasn't that good. I totally agree with the "limited game". As a big board game player (from Twilight Imperium through to AA + varients, M44 and silly games like dungeon twister) I feel I can state with no hesitation that there is no way that $100US represents good value board game wise. The likes of all the big games that contain hundreds of parts is around $80. Games like M44 and its ilk are around $50 and the quality is usually A+.
As for nostalgia - the game was fun to play but it just wasn't that good. I totally agree with the "limited game". As a big board game player (from Twilight Imperium through to AA + varients, M44 and silly games like dungeon twister) I feel I can state with no hesitation that there is no way that $100US represents good value board game wise. The likes of all the big games that contain hundreds of parts is around $80. Games like M44 and its ilk are around $50 and the quality is usually A+.
I think you may want to go back and actually look at the quality of the twilight imperium pack ins. It's a fun game, but I've gotten better models in happy meals. A lot of what's probably being paid for is higher class models and an expansive rulebook.
Extra tiles might come in handy if you play some of the old scenarios from the 1st edition and expansions or want to do boarding actions in 40k...
Mick
Car companies prosecute people who sneak shots of their concept cars.
Well when GW turns into a car company then maybe you'll have a point. But even then I have to disagree with you...
Remember a movie called Transformers? Chevrolet started showing off their new Camaro years before it was released (I remember seeing pics of the concept even before that, though), and I'll be damned if it didn't get me hyped up for it. I signed up for the newsletter so I could keep following up on it until it finally came out this year, and have tried to enter every Camaro-related contest I can find (I still have over 40 Dr. Pepper caps to redeem...ugh). I personally can't afford to buy one no matter how much I want one, but that's not the point, I was still excited and couldn't wait to see them on the road for the first time.
Do you really think it would have been better for Chevy to keep the thing under wraps until the day of release, and spring it on people as a surprise? I don't think so, advertising like that is invaluable, and apparently Chevy thinks so too because damn near every new robot in Transformers: RotF was a god-damned Chevy, they're pimping cars like mad now. Speaking of which how much do you want to bet that Stingray concept in the new movie might end up on the streets one day?
BrookM wrote:Heh, I've noticed that all Terminators are named.
I noticed that too. I guess they wanted us to care about our battle brothers or something. Just gives me someone to blame and designate the sacrificial lamb. Someone on warseer also said some of the non-pictured ones have assault terminator weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of models beyond the librarians and heavy weapons have special abilities.
Myrthe wrote:...When I placed my order, by phone to speak with a human, I confirmed that the miniatures are, indeed, 40K scale. Whew !!! Although I am a little worried they may be bendy "army men" plastic ... the bases look too much like the old green toy soldiers.
They also said the mystery box is not Space Hulk...
Mick
Agreed .... but that was a lame, misguided PR marketting ploy and not a direct lie about a product they are selling. Then again, we have the recent Blastscape fiasco so we just have to "wait and see". If it's crap, GW can take it back ... nostalgia be damned !!!
aka_mythos wrote:I noticed that too. I guess they wanted us to care about our battle brothers or something. Just gives me someone to blame and designate the sacrificial lamb.
Brother Starscream, you've failed me for the last time!
Maybe this IS the love and attention that BAs get in 5th Edition...
That's just what I was thinking. What was the basis for those rumours of new Blood Angels and Tyranids? Because this could be it, which would put the new Blood Angels and Tyranid Codexes further back than we thought. That'd be a good thing IMO, other armies need updating more urgently.
As far as Space Hulk goes, it looks great, but I simply can't afford it with such short notice. Even if I did have £60 spare this week, I'd spend it on going to London for my old friend's 24th birthday.
Alpharius wrote:Does anyone one with previous Space Hulk experience know if it is worth having two of these boxed sets for the extra tiles?
Would you ever play a game where you'd need that much board space?
Or, would the extra tiles only ever factor in if you plan on using them in some other setting (RPG Rogue Trader and/or Dark Heresy)?
The problem with a game like Space Hulk is balancing scenarios. The addition of literally one square can make a difference to a very tight scenario. The scenarios in the game are naturally all based on having a single copy.
You can make up bigger scenarios the more copies you have, but expect them to become less balanced in unexpected ways the bigger you make them.
It can still be fun to play a really big, home-brew scenario.
I think having as many abilities as they may have mixed in will open things up for more add on rules. It makes it simple enough to say "ork mega nobz" count as brother "A", "B", and "C" getting duplicates of a couple.
Who here is up for doing up some rules for other factions when SH is finally out?
Agamemnon2 wrote:Not at all interested in this. I hate tyranids and loathe Marines, there's absolutely zero nostalgia value in this either as I've never been one to sing SH's praises. It's always seemed like such a limited game.
I actually agree here, except for the tyrannids thing.
As for nostalgia - the game was fun to play but it just wasn't that good. ... ...
You're kidding, right?
How did Space Hulk make the list of 100 Best Hobby Games if it wasn't that good.
Original, first edition Space Hulk was a bloody brilliant game. It started to go downhill once magic was introduced. Second edition was a much worse game.
aka_mythos wrote:I think having as many abilities as they may have mixed in will open things up for more add on rules. It makes it simple enough to say "ork mega nobz" count as brother "A", "B", and "C" getting duplicates of a couple.
Who here is up for doing up some rules for other factions when SH is finally out?
That sounds like something I'm going to have to do to get some of my friends to be enthusiastic about it. Not that I would mind anyway.
How did Space Hulk make the list of 100 Best Hobby Games if it wasn't that good.
100 is a big list for a topic that should have a fairly short list?
TBD wrote:I wanted plastic tiles too, at first, but you (should) quickly realize that it would make the price go up so significantly that's it's rather unrealistic to expect.
I'm sure that for most people the cardboard option outweighs the alternative of paying at least double the price they are asking now.
No ... its false assumptions like this that allows GW to raise the price to insane lvls.
More realistically having plastic instead of card board would only increase the cost by $1-$2 at most.
cares what color plastic they are.
