It seems on this forum and others like it simple mistakes can cause people to be subjected to harsh and unfair treatment...i myself have experienced this and was considering moving to a different forum.I aks why? why do this to new users if they make a mistake or to regular users who slip-up.Forums are community based and to be scorned in your community can leave someone not wanting to be part of it.Dakka does have a reputation.
It happens alot on dakka , but its not limited to dakka only.
The mob mentality goes for everywhere , not sure if there are any possible ways to avoid it unless the mods are very strict or keep quiet about personal opinions.
I have made some comments on counterfeiting / recasting threads to be immoral , and wow some people actually are trolling me for been "good".
Its important to remember:
1. The ignore key for people you don't like
2. report posts that violate Dakka Rule #1: be polite
3. The "mob" only has power if you give it power.
To quote the oft-used phrase: welcome to the Internet. I believe you need to first learn a very important lesson about how the Internet works. You will find this is the case no matter where you look.
Its far easier to type aggressively or in rude manner on web forum, chat rooms etc as you are not in an environment where that person is able to knock your block off had you said the same face to face. Also its worth mentioning that conveying emotions and tone in a written format is very difficult, hence the use of things called emoticons like --> which are used in messages when people type a rude message and use them to show that the message is actually meant in jest or humourous sarcasm. Or to convey comedy or something you find amusing, the list goes on, just look to your left when you post reply and you'll see all the ones available to you on dakka. "Note the quick reply at the bottom does not show them"
Best bet is to either lurk more than post as you get a feel for things or use the ignore button for those that are unable to post helpfully. Most people on dakka are friendly, and even if they do gripe at you for asking what is considered common knowledge, most will still point you in the right direction.
This and all other forums are mixing pots of people from across the world, age, gender and social/political outlook. You will say and post things that will anger others, you can't help that, other people will irritate and anger you. Collision on the interwebs, where social graces are switched off due to anonimity, are inevitable. You won't find 'peace' on another forum and I think this is the best for things being resolved without either mollycoddling protectiveness or freeforall fight clubbing.
I would advise you to stay here and further to remember that conflict is inevitable, just be measured by the way you resolve it. The moral highground is a great place to defend from.
When I was all for quitting an mmo, a friend of mine gave me some advice that's a good rule, is your friends list bigger than your ignore list, if it is, you're doing something right, if it isn't, make more friends.
Avoid Politics and Religon at all costs, these topics are the highest culprits of flame wars. So if you enter a thread debating either of these two then tread VERY carefully
Mean green has a point. The precieved anonimity of the net makes being a douche somewhat easier psychologically, even though in reality the net is a lot less anonymous than it used to be ( I've met many people in RL that I met online but are right here in my local community, and we've all heard stories about people who didn't get jobs or got canned because of something they said on facebook).
Someone also mentioned that the internet feels safe, therefore people will say things they woudn't face to face, or even over a phone. Contrary to what cynics say, I think that the vast majority of people are more or less nice, and don't want to even hurt people's feelings, let alone risk physical conflict. The internet takes all of those verbal and physical social cues away. Reading a forum is just text, like a book, and it gives all the positive feelings from insulting someone with none of the negative cues that make people feel guilty.
I think a lot of it is when someone new to the forums starts posting while demonstrating that they clearly didn't bother to read the forum rules. Ie. 1337 speaking, poor grammar/spelling (though there's always more leeway with this point if the poster isn't a US or UK native), generally being an arse. Usually these are very enthusiastic young teens (stereotype, but not untrue) and lots of the regulars don't really like dealing with it. Take a look at the posts in this thread, for example - all of us are regulars and all of us are expressing our points pretty clearly.
Another issue is when someone (and even regulars make this mistake) brings up a very commonly recurring topic that a simple browse through the forums could've probably answered ("How do I strip plastic minis???!?" is a good example).
Just like in most things in life, it's a bit frustrating to deal with "new guys" mostly because the regulars are used to things running a certain way. When someone new shows up and clearly hasn't really read through or absorbed the rules, it kind of puts a stick in the spokes, so to speak, on the forum. Could the regulars be a bit nicer? Probably, though to be fair, these instances aren't terribly uncommon so a loss of patience is somewhat understandable.
But as Elric also points out - it's a large aspect of internet culture. If you can't take your licks, then yes, you should probably move on to another forum. But if you've got thicker skin than that, and learn to obey forum rules and understand the flow of the site, you'll notice the hostility go down significantly.
All in all, Dakka isn't so bad (although OT and the You Make Da Calls can be pretty hectic). The thing I appreciate most about Dakka is that people for the most part write intelligibly here. And that goes a LONG way to making a website better than others.
All in all, Dakka isn't so bad (although OT and the You Make Da Calls can be pretty hectic). The thing I appreciate most about Dakka is that people for the most part write intelligibly here. And that goes a LONG way to making a website better than others.
yep, we write mor gooder here cuz wer' more educatid an we stick to the topic Spaz Marinz HURR!
This blatant trolling brought to you by your friendly Mod team, who are always fair and just and right, especially Frazzled.
You think this is bad? im actually really suprised at how nice everyone is here... Whereas my WoW server forum.. say one thing there and your in for a flaming! just ignore it dude, theres bad people where ever you go
Ahhh The Modquisition....Trolling with one hand, Maintaining Dakka with the other.
Humor aside, forums can be hostile if people decide to throw grammar out the window, or just do something that may seem cool to one person, but is just blatant trolling to others.
The internet is great for the Jackasses of the world to come together and be jackasses. Sure, they're not the best guys to hang around, but it's the internet, where the laws of the world apply to about 20% of it.
I feel the same way about the hostile mob mentality as an already answered rules question. It's just like a little annoying parrot that repeats what has already been said and I usually skip over it...unless someone has a witty insult
Like touched upon earlier the internet seemingly brings about the inner douche in everyone although a lot of it can be attributed to miscommunication and/or trolling.
Because of these reasons some people commit suicide over whats written to/about them on the internet; but then again if you haven't developed a thick hide the internet is not for you nor is life unfortunately. Especially sucks for the likes of politicians but many have it coming like Dan Quayle's infamous 'potatoe' incident.
Hell, one of the first photoshopped images that floated around forums went something like: "Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. If you win you're still _______." Yes I'm being relatively PC - not sure how George Carlin-esque I can be around these parts.
The topic of anonymous flaming online is pretty well hashed. Keep in mind a few rules I've tried to live by:
1) Everybody assumes they're posts are coherent, well reasoned, easy to understand and correct.
1a) Most posts aren't.
2) Intent is impossible to read, and the social graces that cause to go give benefit of the doubt to people IRL are absent.
3) Getting replies to posts is the only way to know people are reading, and thus paying attention. For posters that crave attention, they need feedback, and negative is easier to get than positive. The more attention they need/want, their posts increase in both quantity and flammability.
4) Savvy netizens are aware of these rules, and will operate in such a way as to appear to be merely misinterpreted if called out for trolling, when they actually know what they are doing. In many ways the most annoying posters, they take a long time to detect. The best way to deal with them? Simply take everything they say with a grain of salt.
5) Finally, the net is simply full of jerks. And not fun, witty jerks. Just emotionally stunted boys(and they tend to be male) that lay into others because they don't have the ability or the desire to do so IRL. Have fun!
Cane wrote:Like touched upon earlier the internet seemingly brings about the inner douche in everyone although a lot of it can be attributed to miscommunication and/or trolling.
Because of these reasons some people commit suicide over whats written to/about them on the internet; but then again if you haven't developed a thick hide the internet is not for you nor is life unfortunately. Especially sucks for the likes of politicians but many have it coming like Dan Quayle's infamous 'potatoe' incident.
Hell, one of the first photoshopped images that floated around forums went something like: "Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. If you're win you're still _______." Yes I'm being relatively PC.
Arguments only seem to be perpertrated by those who seem to have the energy to argue if you just shrug it off and think "Gee that was nice but moving on"
da-chaos-orks wrote:It seems on this forum and others like it simple mistakes can cause people to be subjected to harsh and unfair treatment...i myself have experienced this and was considering moving to a different forum.I aks why? why do this to new users if they make a mistake or to regular users who slip-up.Forums are community based and to be scorned in your community can leave someone not wanting to be part of it.Dakka does have a reputation.
So i ask peoples opinion on this matter?
Stick around mate, this is a very nice forum.
In many ways it reminds me of going to the FLGS for a late game. Crude at times (YAY!) yet still full of good times and laughs. All in all there is a very consistent balance on this forum in particular. You will see people with one arm, two arms, three arms, and yes I dare-say FOUR FREAKING ARMS....
If you get out and talk to as many people as you can at some point, you would be hard pressed to find the same rational conversations you find in some of these forums. Trolls are nocing', they are funny little fluorescent green monsters who like to whisper in your ear. I am a pretty big fan of the squish on sight method, but that is not very PC... erm, or something.
It is very important to note that much more often than not people can get along just peachy, but on occasion there will be some serious aggressions being spit into peoples eyes. When this happens, it is usually an internet tough guy (we all fall in this category from time to time...), or super-nerd possibly TFG guy who starts it. For most you SHOULD ignore them, but on occasion you are more than welcome to report them to the Mods for appraisal, or you can try to take your conversation to the P.M. box instead of cluttering the thread with a useless argument.
In general, keep in mind that you are talking to people (I attempt to talk as I would in life... not very easy to get the same message across though ) and everyone has feelings... besides the hardest of the... nope he is crying now too . So have fun, avoid pointless arguments about who has the nicest shoes, and just share your opinions as often as you want. On this same note, if you are wrong... please just say so, there is no need to fight someone who is right, but on the other hand there is no reason for people to run around peeing on everyone's opinions.
All interactions on the webz seem to be relatively similar to real life, just the people happen to be out of LOS, so they do not worry about... nocing. Pretty human reaction if you ask me, but your responsibility to your personal integrity does play a role in this. Sure, you can ignore someone, or you can ignore someone... ("or... you can... be quiet man... you can drop silly bombs and just do a fancy jig... with a funny hat and tazers... hmmm, not a bad idea "
Who likes Lordi? This is my favorite song of theirs... yeah it is a bit cheesy.... BRING ME THE CHEESE!!!
Wrex's posts are so brilliant and witty... sometimes.
I've got to say this is one of the better forums I've been on. People are usually nicer and far more forgiving than elsewhere. However there are always people you don't get along with. Fact of life. For these you press 'ignore'.
da-chaos-orks wrote:It seems on this forum and others like it simple mistakes can cause people to be subjected to harsh and unfair treatment...i myself have experienced this and was considering moving to a different forum.I aks why? why do this to new users if they make a mistake or to regular users who slip-up.Forums are community based and to be scorned in your community can leave someone not wanting to be part of it.Dakka does have a reputation.
So i ask peoples opinion on this matter?
INTERNET GETTING YOU DOWN??! Sounds like somebody needs cheering up!
Oh, and on topic: Dakka is fine, usual gak on every forum, just alot less of it.
You learn to ignore people after a while, or argue with them, both work well, but the 1st is possibly the best option.
Just dont argue with Frazz.
age has addled his brain and has sent him to the edge, now he's simply a gibbering mess.
In truth, none of it matters. I'm hated here, but I still get tolerated. Nothing you say on the internet matters, nothing at all, because you have no set identity on the net. You can be anyone.
For example, I could in fact be Hitler from an alternate universe who found his way into the future and took up trolling instead of killing people.
Dude... where is the part about my brain exploding after reading this part though?
Although anonymity tends to amplify dissociative imagination, dissociative imagination and dissociative anonymity usually differ in the complexity of the dissociated part of oneself. Under the influence of anonymity, the person may try to be invisible, to become a non-person, resulting in a reducing or simplifying of identity. During dissociative imagination, the self that is expressed, but split-off, tends to be more elaborate.
It... ummm.. erm... ummm.. what? Humm, and, so, if they, but how? My brain... omfg my brain... it burns...
Okay... I think my brain sponge is wrapped around this one now... just read it like 12 times... it will make a bit of sense then.
i agree with everything said on this thread(except the tyranid on the beach) but i have been laughed at for my spelling in school but not so much here. this forum is one of the best. the mods are good(btw ty to frazz for getting my thread blocked it got a wee bit out of hand)
Dakkadakka is pretty okay. I have to take periodic breaks from posting in OT because the aggressiveness of some of the arguments annoys me, but for the most part it's fine.
Oh, and on topic: Dakka is fine, usual gak on every forum, just alot less of it. You learn to ignore people after a while, or argue with them, both work well, but the 1st is possibly the best option.
Just dont argue with Frazz. age has addled his brain and has sent him to the edge, now he's simply a gibbering mess.
*ducks out the way of frazz*
Where's My Banhammer (calls to wife) "Honey have you seen my banhammer?"
OT is only for the brave, bored, and people who have to get the last word in...
Soon the Pan Fo shall be Reviled! All your secrets are belong to us!
If I see a thread degrading into a flame war I generally avoid posting as you can guarantee they won't appriciate you sticking your nose in their arguement. Its a sure fire way to get yourself flamed.
If its me that accidently started a heated arguement then I try to end it amicably. But for some dakkaties its far to hard to let something drop and you often see threads filled with pages of posts from just a handful of people repeating the exact same info over and over again as if it will magically change.
My favourite quote from new dakkaties who get flamed badly is "fine, I thought dakka was a nice place so I'm cancelling my account and never comming" ... Why anyone thinks that gets them anywhere is beyond me, you just know that no-one can resist a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comment and the guy will always 9 out of 10 post later on anyway, usually in the same thread.
(though I have to say thats usually when they haven't followed the forum rules or post something highly inflamatory and don't expect people to get upset over it)
I think I'll avoid the OT forum from now on. I can see how it's become a bubbling mass of... stuff.
Honestly, serious topics descend into either 'hurr durr zombie apocalypse fap fap fap' or 'hurr durr Obama is a commie' whenever I go in there. Not generalising or anything of course...
I completely agree with the very first post in this thread. I've seen new posters blasted by SEVERAL older posters for not putting a question mark in a rumor title. Like, that is going to bring about the end of the world. A friendly remark, or reminder, would take care of any mistake. Instead, you have to go through sixteen posts about how terrible it is that someone forgot to put a question mark in a thread title. Why would a new user ever try to post again? After their warm reception, I would be surpised if they even returned to the site.
Secondly, I am sick and tired of the "I HATE GW" rants that dominate this site. I do not spend any time on this site because of it. I tried to make constructive comments about this once, but was personally blasted for my efforts. So, I just went to another site for my 40K and Fantasy fill.
Games Workshop is a business. The purpose of a business is to make money. I'm sorry if you do not agree with that. I'm sorry if you do not approve of every price hike, business choice, or crazy marketing campaign that GW employs. Companies all over the world do this every day, and no one gets more heat than Games Workshop.
The bottom line is...if you don't like GW/40K/FB...then DON'T BASH THEM. Leave the forums for the people that love these games and settings, so that we can share our love of the hobby. No one wants to have to go through 18 posts about "I hate GW" before they read 1 post about "I thought it was kind of cool..."
I have not even signed into this website for months because of this. However, when I saw the title of this thread, I wanted to add my thoughts to the fire. I know that they will not reach the individuals that need to hear them the most. But, I had to try...
Now, on with your flame wars and nerd rage about free speach and poster bashing and "I hate GW"... I'm going to go visit my other sites, where people actually respect each other, and still like the hobby...
while i have seen this being done, i havent done it yet, allthough it is somewhat annoying at times when people post in the rumors about something.
I hate GW threads make dakka go round, it happens, people have likes and dislikes, you dont have to read them.
To end this on a pretty basic sentance: If you take such a dislike that you are willing to leave, then why even have the internet?
Now, im not trying to be an ass about it, but it happens on the net, people will troll and sadly others will follow them, its just a case of ignoring such people, or flame them in return (make sure its witty rather than offensive as it would break rules)
CaptainLoken wrote:I completely agree with the very first post in this thread. I've seen new posters blasted by SEVERAL older posters for not putting a question mark in a rumor title. Like, that is going to bring about the end of the world. A friendly remark, or reminder, would take care of any mistake. Instead, you have to go through sixteen posts about how terrible it is that someone forgot to put a question mark in a thread title. Why would a new user ever try to post again? After their warm reception, I would be surpised if they even returned to the site.
Sigh. You're clearly not new to the internet, or, if you are, you need to learn some things. Online communities are just like any other community: we have rules and structure, as well as taboos. When I see, for example, a thread that says "Vendetta Plastic Sprue," I get excited. When I find out it's some guy asking if we know anything, I become upset. Is it the end of the world? No. Is it a little understandable why people would post some hostility after that? I think a little bit.
Secondly, I am sick and tired of the "I HATE GW" rants that dominate this site. I do not spend any time on this site because of it. I tried to make constructive comments about this once, but was personally blasted for my efforts. So, I just went to another site for my 40K and Fantasy fill.
That's a personal choice. I've found that well reasoned arguments in behalf of GW tend to do well. Rants telling us how sick you are of our whining somehow fail to rally us around the old flag. I can't imagine why not. ..
Games Workshop is a business. The purpose of a business is to make money. I'm sorry if you do not agree with that. I'm sorry if you do not approve of every price hike, business choice, or crazy marketing campaign that GW employs. Companies all over the world do this every day, and no one gets more heat than Games Workshop.
Well, except microsoft. And the Oil Companies. And haliburton. And even Whole Foods.....
The bottom line is...if you don't like GW/40K/FB...then DON'T BASH THEM. Leave the forums for the people that love these games and settings, so that we can share our love of the hobby. No one wants to have to go through 18 posts about "I hate GW" before they read 1 post about "I thought it was kind of cool..."
Look, I'm as tired of the unrelenting negativity as anybody else, but if the other option is shrill moralistic preaching, than I'll take my cynicism. I hate to break this to you, but GW does things that make my life more difficult, cost me more money, and waste my time. Yes they produce the hobby I love, but after $50 and 6 hours spent re-basing IG heavy weapon teams, I was upset at GW.
I have not even signed into this website for months because of this. However, when I saw the title of this thread, I wanted to add my thoughts to the fire. I know that they will not reach the individuals that need to hear them the most. But, I had to try...
This was a little better than your previous soap boxes, but you can't possible expect a group of people known for being cynical and hostile to respond well to a scolding.
Now, on with your flame wars and nerd rage about free speach and poster bashing and "I hate GW"... I'm going to go visit my other sites, where people actually respect each other, and still like the hobby...
First off, I've never seen an open internet community where people actually respect each other. There are places with Super-max level moderation teams, and there are smaller, often pay sites that tend to get along pretty well. But if you're found 'em, congrats.
Reading this post, and a few of your previous rants on this topic, it seems to me that what you've lost is all sense of nuance. You seem to see dakka as this Thunderdome where the weak are flayed alive and nothing is discussed but our hatred for GW. Even in the most negative threads, the comments tend to run towards specific problems people have with GW. I know, it's easy up on your pedestal to judge all of us, but I think you're being overly harsh towards our flaws and overly dismissive of our strengths.
It seems this thread has become rather popular...and that alot of people have different views on the "hostility of forums" and many say that theres no answere to it except for hitler style mods picking out the "bad un's" before they spread, but wouldnt it be easier if people just grew up a little bit...?
CaptainLoken wrote:I completely agree with the very first post in this thread. I've seen new posters blasted by SEVERAL older posters for not putting a question mark in a rumor title. Like, that is going to bring about the end of the world. A friendly remark, or reminder, would take care of any mistake. Instead, you have to go through sixteen posts about how terrible it is that someone forgot to put a question mark in a thread title. Why would a new user ever try to post again? After their warm reception, I would be surpised if they even returned to the site.
I don't like it when people kneejerk react to innocent, yet improperly formatted questions either. However I am a realist, and i know that there is that small percentage of people that can't resist the urge to drop a kneejerk responce in a terrets sort of way. This site is a surprisingly well behaved place overall.
I also have a hard time believing that any other GW fan site doesn't have it's share of GW hate. It's quite disengenious of you to imply that DAKKA is the only site that had GW bashing going on.
Dakka is host to a huge range of different poeple of all ages, sexes, religons, ethics and moral backgrounds. People will always have different view or a different interpretation of a rule or similar. You get the exact same in real life with the only difference is that people on the internet are generally bolder in their statements and tone. If you can't hack that then the answer is simple, don't post.
Its why we have the MOD's, to manage the content and try to make sure inappropriate comments, pictures, etc are acted upon.
(post is a general statement and not specifically aimed at a person in particular)
CaptainLoken wrote:The bottom line is...if you don't like GW/40K/FB...then DON'T BASH THEM. Leave the forums for the people that love these games and settings, so that we can share our love of the hobby. No one wants to have to go through 18 posts about "I hate GW" before they read 1 post about "I thought it was kind of cool..."
I have not even signed into this website for months because of this. However, when I saw the title of this thread, I wanted to add my thoughts to the fire. I know that they will not reach the individuals that need to hear them the most. But, I had to try...
Now, on with your flame wars and nerd rage about free speach and poster bashing and "I hate GW"... I'm going to go visit my other sites, where people actually respect each other, and still like the hobby...
"Only say something about GW if you lurv it!!1! SQUEEEEE!!!!1!"
I'll criticise a company I have been purchasing from for over 20 years any fething time I care to, it's the consumer's right to voice their displeasure.
CaptainLoken wrote:I completely agree with the very first post in this thread. I've seen new posters blasted by SEVERAL older posters for not putting a question mark in a rumor title. Like, that is going to bring about the end of the world. A friendly remark, or reminder, would take care of any mistake. Instead, you have to go through sixteen posts about how terrible it is that someone forgot to put a question mark in a thread title. Why would a new user ever try to post again? After their warm reception, I would be surpised if they even returned to the site.
I don't like it when people kneejerk react to innocent, yet improperly formatted questions either.
GG
I like it because it makes it easy to verify that someone is indeed a j-hole.
I also love the guys who drift into a thread to point out that a MOD should moderate something. If you have an issue with something hit the report button and shut your face instead of climbing on a high horse and acting like a douche bag. Worst form of trolling imho...
CT GAMER wrote:I also love the guys who drift into a thread to point out that a MOD should moderate something. If you have an issue with something hit the report button and shut your face instead of climbing on a high horse and acting like a douche bag. Worst form of trolling imho...
I think what you said was inappropriate, the MODs should do something about this. couldn't resist
I say if you know another site where anything resembling a voice of dissent is immediately silenced and dealt with so as not to interrupt your "I love GW" circle-jerk, then by all means, spend all your time there. The way I understood it, Dakka wasn't a GW website, you don't have to be a GW fanboy or even play their games to post here. I'm allowed to post my opinion, whether positive or negative, and if you don't like that then you're the one who can remove themselves.
I understand the frustration with what looks like pointless, incessant whining, and in some cases I think people do nag on GW a little unfairly, but if you're going to go as far as spewing bs like "If you don't have anything nice to say then STFU" in response, then please spare me.
I've been on a fair few forums now, my post counts are an iffy way to judge my attendance as I'm a lurking Barsteward.
My join dates are pretty consistant though 03-04, (well apart from here on Dakka with the restart and everything and Seer because I lost my original login details via a email address change) and aye you see a lot of hostility where ever you go. Folks have said already its the old Gung Ho sitting behind the illusion of the keyboard/screen that does it.
Plus the added fact many of us are what many would consider intelligent people, ie we're never bloody wrong, which obviously causes some arguements.
Created threads/chatted on Warseer, Heresy, B&C, Neoseeker, Druchii.net, Black Library, Old GW forums, several that didn't last more than six months, and I lurk on several more. I think you generally see it everywhere, although the best thing to do is not let it get under your skin. I've even done Mod work on a couple of sites, and what a thankless task that is I tell ya. Probably why up until know I haven't been banned anywhere, if I respect anyone its the Mods/admins of these places.
On a side note I do find I have more fun on Dakka than anywhere else, I laugh at way more posts here, and even though I have gone to other boards mainly from time to time, this would be my GW forum home board that I always return to. Yes perhaps Dakka has a rep for being a little sarcastic towards GW at times, but seeing the forums around the net few are different. Hell in Neoseeker's case I've watched it change from a heavily policed board, to one where often Mods seem to be swearing more than the trolls. (Although to be fair I rarely go to Neo these days so I maybe unfair with that one.)
Honestly I come on here mainly when I'm at work, at work I am very very bored, so the "conflicts" between members serve as a source of amusement.
Also it seems that here, or anywhere on the net, I am alot like how I am in real life. I will berate someone for errors, then turn around and make the same one. Jump into defend someone when I think they've been wronged, or stand by and watch because that's easier.
I do what I personally feel is right at the time, and if what is right at the time is to endlessly berate someone for leaving out a question mark, which I'm not sure I've done, then I will, because that's who I am a person with a really fluid set of morals and beliefs. The only things Im not likely to double back on are friends, but even they can bear the brunt of an attack.
I burnt my mouth on cuppa soup (Tomato) you lot think you have it bad? think of my poor mouth, its been abused by soup and its still in pain a day later... also thinkof the long horn sheep popualation in New zealand displaced by the filming of the lord of the rings films... you think you have it bad? no you dont... they are now forced to roam unfamiliar valleys and greens, you have a home. be thankful
The good newbies are the ones that fight back and show some spirit when attacked. The really good ones who respond with a witty barb that utterly cuts down the old fogey who yelled at them.
H.B.M.C. wrote:The good newbies are the ones that fight back and show some spirit when attacked. The really good ones who respond with a witty barb that utterly cuts down the old fogey who yelled at them.
Most likely it is not an 'old fogey' who's done the shouting, but another newb who's got a higher post count or /friended some of the more noticeable personas on the board. Some of the elder statesmen on the board occasionally take potshots over the writing and spelling, I've done it when the sentances don't even make coherent sense. But the 'HEY donkey-cave YOOS CAPITALZ' brigade jumping on someone for a missed comma or capital letter somewhere are usually overweening in an attempt to curry favour with the percieved old guard. They are usually the one that ends up looking like an ass.
I find picking on spelling the best way to defuse an idiot who is really, really riled up on something and sticking to it like donkey-cave on a donkey. Plus it pays off not to take those people too serious.
I tend to avoid shooting down spelling, because you can guaran-fething-tee that you'll make a mistake whilst correcting someone else, and that's worse.
Most likely it is not an 'old fogey' who's done the shouting, but another newb who's got a higher post count or /friended some of the more noticeable personas on the board. Some of the elder statesmen on the board occasionally take potshots over the writing and spelling, I've done it when the sentances don't even make coherent sense. But the 'HEY donkey-cave YOOS CAPITALZ' brigade jumping on someone for a missed comma or capital letter somewhere are usually overweening in an attempt to curry favour with the percieved old guard. They are usually the one that ends up looking like an ass.
I've noticed that it can be anyone who rips into new members, from the "Old Guard" to people who've only been members for a short time. It seems like while the latter is more common, the former gets put into the memory easier. Really who cares that another noobie is yelling at you, they are new too, but when a member that's been active and is known around these parts says something then it sits in. Particularly if you see one yelling at you for doing something and not at someone else for doing the same thing.
Plus our perception of the Old Guard is all different, to some people a year is a long time to be active some where so people will look to them.
Being new to forums (but not in life) i am very happy that i found Dakka with the first few clicks...
There is some blatantly bad stuff out there...
Here the folks are mostly coherent, polite for the most part, (remember S.....?)
Gentlemen (and ladies) you are netizens* on a serene island on the cosmic chaos of the internet. Keeping it serene is thy duty, nay thy holy cause to future netizens (Enter epic music as a tribute to the Unknown Mod)
Amen
And getting josttled about syntax and orthography is the only way to ammelliorate yourself.
I also love the guys who drift into a thread to point out that a MOD should moderate something. If you have an issue with something hit the report button and shut your face instead of climbing on a high horse and acting like a douche bag. Worst form of trolling imho...
The absolute truthiness of this statement is staggering. If you don't report it, odds are we're not going to see it.
The report post button is also used as an ejector seat for certain members who fear they are losing an argument - the ultimate appeal to authority, if you will.
H.B.M.C. wrote:The report post button is also used as an ejector seat for certain members who fear they are losing an argument - the ultimate appeal to authority, if you will.
H.B.M.C. wrote:The report post button is also used as an ejector seat for certain members who fear they are losing an argument - the ultimate appeal to authority, if you will.
I also love the guys who drift into a thread to point out that a MOD should moderate something. If you have an issue with something hit the report button and shut your face instead of climbing on a high horse and acting like a douche bag. Worst form of trolling imho...
The absolute truthiness of this statement is staggering. If you don't report it, odds are we're not going to see it.
Interesting that.
How do you decide if a thread should be reported?
The Space Wolf Rumour thread was a prime example of lots of users behaving like a prat.
A prime example of idiocy at work, just because someone wanted to "chat" about something they didn't like.
It took me ages to post something that was even "remotely" polite.
And reporting it would probably have been a waste of time IMO.
To the OP, read through the forums first on a subject you want to discuss and see what the tone of those threads is like.
If it makes you twitch, don't post anything.
Something I rarely do on here
It's certainly not my word, it was used back in the usenet days, when "people that used the internet" was a very specific and separate demographic.
AdrianG wrote:
Interesting that.
How do you decide if a thread should be reported?
The Space Wolf Rumour thread was a prime example of lots of users behaving like a prat.
A prime example of idiocy at work, just because someone wanted to "chat" about something they didn't like.
It took me ages to post something that was even "remotely" polite.
And reporting it would probably have been a waste of time IMO.
My rule of thumb is that if a post makes me annoyed enough to consider flaming back, I report it instead. Everybody has a different threshold, but I've never seen a mod ask or even imply that people should report fewer threads. So, any time a post makes viscerally annoyed, I report it.
I also love the guys who drift into a thread to point out that a MOD should moderate something. If you have an issue with something hit the report button and shut your face instead of climbing on a high horse and acting like a douche bag. Worst form of trolling imho...
The absolute truthiness of this statement is staggering. If you don't report it, odds are we're not going to see it.
Interesting that.
How do you decide if a thread should be reported?
The Space Wolf Rumour thread was a prime example of lots of users behaving like a prat.
A prime example of idiocy at work, just because someone wanted to "chat" about something they didn't like.
It took me ages to post something that was even "remotely" polite.
And reporting it would probably have been a waste of time IMO.
To the OP, read through the forums first on a subject you want to discuss and see what the tone of those threads is like.
If it makes you twitch, don't post anything.
Something I rarely do on here
Moderation in action
Certain things are obvious Alert bait, such as racism, blatant rudeness, and thread necromancy, duplication and wrong forum. Other things are harder to call, but I like the idea that something which provokes an angry response is probably worth an alert.
I would rather people report things that annoy them, than just simmer quietly and hate the forum. Of course, not all alerts are actionable.
I sometimes take an alert, review the case and PM the complainer that the offence isn't really serious and they should simply ignore the post (and poster.) On other occasions I will forward a complaint for a group opinion.
I used to worry that I reported too much, but I'm glad that the mods actually take the time to seriously check the tickets and the threads in question. I've also had some mod feedback on reporting, which is great as well.
I also alert stuff on the basis that just because one post might not be over the line, if a member receives multiple alerts about a series of posts, it might lead to more preventative measures.
I used to work as a retail manager, and like most businesses I'd rather have more negative feedback from customers early than have angry former customers later. Very rarely are the words "I wish I had less information" uttered by people making decisions.
Heh on the subject of people blowing stuff out of porportion tried to have a sensible political debate and well...........I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
Suffice to say it blew over into work cause a certain liberlist c**k couldnt admit he was wrong!!
Through the many forums I've used over the years, the Old Guard is usually perceived as being the members with 1000+ posts, or members of the admin/mod team.
Loving the pic Killkrazy. If only the mods looked like that in real life......
which are used in messages when people type a rude message and use them to show that the message is actually meant in jest or humourous sarcasm. Or to convey comedy or something you find amusing, the list goes on, just look to your left when you post reply and you'll see all the ones available to you on dakka. "Note the quick reply at the bottom does not show them"
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BrookM wins the thread!!! 
