Ever wondered why cancer is still such a problem or why detergent only kills 99% of germs, its because the boffins of the world are busy contemplating zombie attacks!
infilTRAITOR wrote:If they can put mental power into seedless watermelon they can put mental power into this! This is totally more worthy!
No man, that would only give the watermelons more planning time. I've seen things! Terrible, terrible things! Seeds everywhere! The groud itself was soaked with the blood of men and melons! Not even the children were spared, melons shoved in every orifice!
Meh. Unlike ebola I can literally kick this bug's ass with a baseball bat or even a moderately sharpened pencil. Eminently easier than dealing with your average gang banger. Zombies only have a chance in the intitial stages, then its Party Time Chainsaw style. On the positive I should be able to picka new TV and sound system during the emergency period. You know the local Federal reserve building is less than three miles from this computer...mmm....
SilverMK2 wrote:Can someone please post the contents of the story so those of us who's workplace cruely limits access to the BBC can read about the zombies?
I was reading the Zombie Survival Guide only this morning before I went to work
Science ponders 'zombie attack'
By Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent, BBC News
There has been a revival of the zombie film in recent years
If zombies actually existed, an attack by them would lead to the collapse of civilisation unless dealt with quickly and aggressively.
That is the conclusion of a mathematical exercise carried out by researchers in Canada.
They say only frequent counter-attacks with increasing force would eradicate the fictional creatures.
The scientific paper is published in a book - Infectious Diseases Modelling Research Progress.
In books, films, video games and folklore, zombies are undead creatures, able to turn the living into other zombies with a bite.
But there is a serious side to the work.
In some respects, a zombie "plague" resembles a lethal rapidly-spreading infection.
My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a zombie then it's dead forever
Professor Neil Ferguson
In their study, the researchers from the University of Ottawa and Carleton University (also in Ottawa) posed a question: If there was to be a battle between zombies and the living, who would win?
Professor Robert Smith? (the question mark is part of his surname and not a typographical mistake) and colleagues wrote: "We model a zombie attack using biological assumptions based on popular zombie movies.
"We introduce a basic model for zombie infection and illustrate the outcome with numerical solutions."
On his university web page, the mathematics professor at Ottawa University says the question mark distinguishes him from Robert Smith, lead singer of rock band The Cure.
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To give the living a fighting chance, the researchers chose "classic" slow-moving zombies as our opponents rather than the nimble, intelligent creatures portrayed in some recent films.
"While we are trying to be as broad as possible in modelling zombies - especially as there are many variables - we have decided not to consider these individuals," the researchers said.
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Even so, their analysis revealed that a strategy of capturing or curing the zombies would only put off the inevitable.
In their scientific paper, the authors conclude that humanity's only hope is to "hit them [the undead] hard and hit them often".
They added: "It's imperative that zombies are dealt with quickly or else... we are all in a great deal of trouble."
According to the researchers, the key difference between the zombies and the spread of real infections is that "zombies can come back to life".
But they say that their work has parallels with, for example, the spread of ideas.
The study has been welcomed by one of the world's leading disease specialists, Professor Neil Ferguson, who is one of the UK government's chief advisors on controlling the spread of swine flu.
"The paper considers something that many of us have worried about - particularly in our younger days - of what would be a feasible way of tackling an outbreak of a rapidly spreading zombie infection," said Professor Ferguson, from Imperial College London.
However he thinks that some of the assumptions made in the paper might be unduly alarmist.
"My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a zombie then it's dead forever. So perhaps they are being a little over-pessimistic when they conclude that zombies might take over a city in three or four days," he said.
And that is pretty cool. I understand that it is thought that Zombie corpses remain infected for some time after they are "killed".
Only destroying the brain will "kill" a zombie, rather than decapitation, which leaves the head still able to bite you (assuming enough of its jaw muscles are left from the decapitating stroke).
But from a single zombie to an entire city in 3-4 days is a bit quick, seeing as it appears to take about 24 hours for a person to turn. Even with a near 100% bite/reanimated zombie rate (some people may die of their injuries before the virus has enough time to develop far enough to "turn" the person).
But the problem is that once they are here, they are difficult to get rid of, especially if people are not prepared and epsecially where sufficient care is not taken to ensure that an area is utterly free of zombies once combat has been resolved.
SilverMK2 wrote:The great thing about the UK is... erm... well...
...I guess we are boned.
Though at least our zombies will mob in an orderly fashion and will line up to take it in turns to rip a person to pieces.
*stiffens his upper lip*
No no, has Shawn of the Dead taught you NOTHING? Simple cricket bats are more than sufficient to take the fight to the Zombies.
As Zombie Winston Churchill would say
"they will fight us on the beaches. they will fight us in the Tunnels. They will fight us in the Que (but not get out of it). They will fight us in the police boxes..."
Ok actually Zombie Churchill would say "bwaaiiinnnssss..and whisky!"
The great thing about living in the U.S. is that we have an abundance of guns. Zombies wouldn't be more than a weekend's worth of trouble.
Frazzled
Simple cricket bats are more than sufficient to take the fight to the Zombies.
I predict some losses early on after breakfast, then the sun will pop out on old Blighty as we give the evilones a hiding in the afternoon session. The Yanks will turn up later than expected (having been disagreing some nonsense over who should cover any medical billing and general looting malls of high calibre recreational weaponry) and a sound thrashing will be delivered to the hun-dead in time for tea and Spulk.
Kilkrazy wrote:Professor Ferguson criticised the study because it takes no account of the capability of neutralising disease vectors by chopping their heads off.
It seems to me that,like in the Romero films,outbreaks gain streghth not so much by the zombies themselves,but due to various human factors.
One could easily understand that at the onset of this type of situation most people would be hesitant to belive what they are hearing/seeing throught the media/or even in their own backyard.
Add to this the moral,emotional,religious reactions joe citizen would most likely experiance,I know I would be hesitant to shoot my girlfriend/family in the head,even if they had turned..it would be a normal human response to not want to gun down your loved ones,despite the fact they are trying to eat you.
IMO,these factors are what truly contribute to a zombie outbreak becoming a zombies have over run us situation.
Honestly, I think a Zombie Invasion is exactly what soceity needs right now. Why? Several reasons.
1) The world is horribly overpopulated.
2) People are getting angrier as the pace of day to day life speeds up. Being able to apespitbonkersmental on a human being and get away with it because it's already dead would do a lot to settle peoples nerves and aggression
3) We need a global threat to bring us together as a species
4) The old and the slow would be amongst the highest victim tally, thus solving the impending Pensions blackhole.
Right. I think I'm going to break out 'My First Biology' Set and see if I can't rustle up a T-Virus type thing. Having made myself and my friends immune first of course.
Oh there are plenty of erm, willing volunteers in Tunbridge Wells. I assure you.
And with some of them, I doubt you'd notice the difference!
Best way to deal with them, surely would be incendiary bombs? Or even better, tinker with those flesh eating viruses we hear so much about. That'd knacker them. Indeed, why not both? Virus, THEN Flame. Just to be make sure.
And indeed if we're looking to be sure, best to Virus then Flame them from Orbit. At night. They mostly come out at night. Mostly.
But all seriousness, I thought this was quite interesting. Given that zombies are a potential that has been looked at, quite often, by military branches and the like(I mean really. If you had a virus you could loose into the enemy ranks, where their casualties would then attack the living....why the hell wouldn't you do it?) it's plausible.
I mean, it's not gonna happen tommorow or anything--but it's about as plausible as an asteroid striking the earth or alien rapeinvasions.
But all seriousness, I thought this was quite interesting. Given that zombies are a potential that has been looked at, quite often, by military branches and the like(I mean really. If you had a virus you could loose into the enemy ranks, where their casualties would then attack the living....why the hell wouldn't you do it?) it's plausible.
I mean, it's not gonna happen tommorow or anything--but it's about as plausible as an asteroid striking the earth or alien rapeinvasions.
Good point, no flame throwers......check. Cricket bat wouldn't be much cop against that!
Who's not serious? I've been in the basement since my last post stocking up on jazz fuson LPs and tea cakes for when you Yanks get here, may have to use proxies for spulk though if more than 2 of you make it past the blighters!
Aliens, possibly raping and/or invading........a new twist........hmmm what to do????????
They succeeded in proving that zombie tests are actually useful (read the article again) ... that is amazing. This my friends, is a step forward for nerds everywhere!
Next they will actually determine who would win in a fight... wolverine or spider-man... who knows? We do know that could be one of the most epic fights of all time, but what can we learn from it scientifically... milk came out my nose .
Wait... news just in, there seems to be a better fight that could stand to last for thousands of years, therefore it contains a much larger amount of epic proportions.
WOLVERINE VS. SUPERMAN... is that just lame? We know that technically Wolverine would beat spider man, but spider-man could just piss him off the whole fight. Super-man is bound to just fly around like a punk... because he has a job to do, man what a punk.
2) It is really heavy so you would be less likely to be able to avoid zombies, and the weight makes it more difficult to "aim" your blows
3) Limited fuel makes it a nice decorative ornament in your cold undead hand after you get eaten by the zombie that arrived just after your fuel ran out
4) The teeth would probably jam on the flesh and bone
5) Think how long an average chainsaw takes to cut through a bit of wood... do you really have all day to spend cutting through a zombies skull?
A Gordon Freeman style crowbar is considered to be one of the best tools for zombie incapacitation. And you can open things with it too...
I still think medieval weaponry is quite amongst the best things against zombies. Chainsaws will run out of fuel, guns will run out of ammo.
I'd go for a sword (for chopping head off) or a mace (for cracking head in). The sword is probably lighter and swifter, which is nice, because it takes less calories to chop a zombie down. You know, when there are thousands of undead, you need to calculate how much you can kill before you're too exhausted.
And I'd want a shield. In close quarters, something that can block my entire left side and can be used to ram stuff out of the way is probably quite useful.
Oh, and no heavy armour for me, but thick clothes and some REALLY nice face/head/neck protection. Probably would go for chainmal for head/neck and some ice-hockey style face protection. Don't wanna get bitten, no sir.
The problem with swords and other chopping weapons is that they blunt quite quickly. Even the best need quite a bit of force behind them to cut through bone etc. Most European swords were designed for either slashing and inflicting wounds which caused people to bleed to death, or crush wounds (crushing bones through armour etc).
It also takes quite a bit of skill to use one well.
Maces etc are probably better, though very heavy in most cases.
I would still opt for a crowbar... you get weight, 2 different stabbing ends, and you can still open things with it.
As for a shield.... yes, it can be good against zombies re shoving them etc, but against even a small handfull of them, it is just something else for them to grab and pull you around by.
As for armour, leathers are probably the best to fend off scratches etc. Might also help protect against some bites.
Chainmail is heavy and noisy and will not protect against crushing blows etc.
Your best defence is your mobility.
Added to the above, most chain mail and middle age weapons are display models, or at best very poor quality attempts at proper weapons and armour. Most of the weaponsmithing knowledge has been lost, meaning proper things are very rare and expensive.
Although swords do blunt quite quickly, I guess they don't have that problem very much if they only cut through deceasing flesh and rotting bone.
About quality: Yes, of course, I wouldn't one of those showcase swords out of cheap steel or even aluminium. The guys at Albion Swords make some nice ones that come quite close to the "real" thing I guess, if not even better.
And, if a blade goes dull, well, you can still use it as a sword-shaped mace. I'd still argue that a sword, even blunt, has as great a hitting power as a crowbar.
However, I guess a one-handed axe could be nice, too. More raw force, the edge doesn't need to be that sharp...and you can break stuff! Granted, the crowbar is nice for its ability to lever things open and I definitely would take one with me if I found one anywhere. I just argue that for combat, I'd like a real weapon.
I cannot imagine you actually doing all that well man... that is BRUTAL .
Seriously though, seriously seriously though... I think that the best hand to hand weapon would have to be a staff, total crowd control, and you could even have a spear tip. A group of spear-men on horse-back would totally own a zombie flank no problem. Just run over them and get a few ready for the ZOmBBQ later.
No real way to actually beat a zombie flying shark... a rocket propelled chainsaw turret on your balloon could help a little bit... but it would have to have at least 2 lasers.
The problem with a staff or a spear is that it is not so good indoors, as it is a bit too big to use in enclosed spaces. And since most zombies will be in urban areas, you will be a bit stuffed.
And hand axes, although being good, still need a fair bit of practice to use and still blunt quite quickly. You really need to be careful of the axe turning in your hand as you hit things, as it can seriously hurt you, aside from any zombie wounds you might then sustain as you lay bleeding to death
Thick denim clothes and gloves and a scarf plus balaclava etc to make you bite proof - human teeth and jaws, even zombie ones, aren't very sharp or have that much ppsi leverage, two claw hammers or those mountaineering picks for head attacks, maybe a bastard big machete for clearing a path etc.
The zombie survival guide does recommend the crowbar and it does seem a logical choice but I am still debating the idea of a buckler shield for holding back one zombie whilst I hack into the first, in which case i'd need something much lighter and therefore went with the claw hammer.
I especially liked the part in the book where they recommend a two storey house with an easily destroyable staircase. Ever since I read that book I find myself assessing the defensive potential of any building I am in.
A scarf is just something for them to grab hold of.
You might want to look into a leather and metal gorget (sp) though.
I would think that in a class 4 (or a latter stage class 3), you would want more than a 2 storey house, as the number of zombies will mean they end up just climbing on top of each other in the press, so I would go for a fairly tall block of flats or a really tall office building (an older one without escalators which are hard to remove would be best). Then trash the bottom stories worth of stairs.
Added advantage of the height adding killing power to anything you throw off the roof too.
Frazzled wrote:Zombies only have a chance in the intitial stages, then its Party Time Chainsaw style.
Horrible choice of weapons, shame on you! Loud, complicated, limited fuel, and gets infectious mess everywhere. Stick to a crowbar, it'll double as a useful tool.
No, they'll have the advantage in the beginning because of the massive amount of confusions/conflicting information. Then they'll have the advantage in the middle as everyone starts to fend for themselves, and tries to build little sporadic islands of safety. They have the advantage at the end because of numbers and dwindling supplies. Not good when your enemy is capable of waging total war and you're not. : /
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Wrexasaur wrote:I would be a bit nervous about where I went though...
And what happens when the zombie seagulls attack you? You know it is going to happen!
Already done in the novel Dead Sea by Brian Keene. The virus started in humans but then moves to more and more animals, etc... making survival less and less likely.
Forget the buckler if it's strapped to your arm. If they pull on it, you're pulled off balance through your arm. Think about getting a thick motorcycle jacket and butchers gloves.
I was surprised I liked it as I'm a traditional (slow, dumb) zombie fan. All three books were good. Then again I also liked City of the Dead and the The Rising as well.
Viruses which attack cells are often different to those which attack bacteria, and I don't know off the top of my head if there are any which attack both but I could be wrong.
I need some more zombie books in my life... love good zombie films. Have to say that I prefer the slow zombies, but the new fast and sometimes smart (or perhaps just cunning) zombies are pretty scary and make for a good movie too.
thats what bunkers are for, to insure the ammo NEVER runs out
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JEB_Stuart wrote:When it comes, be sure to run for a Bass Pro Shop...or a Cabella's, gonna take out a bunch of zombies if they follow you there...
Right with ya.
Yep there's an Academy within 15 minutes. Right now even with the bullet bubble there's lots of shotgun rounds, and camping stuff for months/years.
Forget the buckler if it's strapped to your arm. If they pull on it, you're pulled off balance through your arm. Think about getting a thick motorcycle jacket and butchers gloves.
Good point. Racing leathers and wraparound shield would be perfect. Heavy accident resistant leather protecting all points. Hard helmet resistant to everything outside of a rifle shot protecting (including against icky fluids) with pretty good neck coverage. Add a nice .22 and backup stick with rusty nail and you're ready to rock Zombie style.
SilverMK2 wrote:Viruses which attack cells are often different to those which attack bacteria, and I don't know off the top of my head if there are any which attack both but I could be wrong.
I need some more zombie books in my life... love good zombie films. Have to say that I prefer the slow zombies, but the new fast and sometimes smart (or perhaps just cunning) zombies are pretty scary and make for a good movie too.
The zombies in the Zombie Island trilogy aren't caused by a virus though. I won't give anything away.
Good zombie literature:
The Walking Dead. Hands down the best zombie comic to date and has been optioned into a TV series after a bidding war.
The Risen & The City of the Dead
The Morningstar Strain (Plauge of the Dead)
Autumn
Day to day Armageddon
Monster Island, Monster Nation, Monster Planet
Movies:
Fido
The Zombie Diaries (Not the deeply miserable Diaries of the Dead flop of a film)
Dead Set
Get to a 2nd story, don't bother anything on the ground floor. Also just hanging out in your place is no good w/o food water. Remember the rules of 3. You can go 3 days w/o water and 3 weeks w/o food. After that really bad times.
Forget spiked stuff. You'll end up poking yourself in the leg with your bat and getting infected through the wound. One mistake, and that's it.
Of course. Slow zombies would be so dangerous when we have tanks, helicopters and MOABs.
All will run out of gas/ammo and manpower when the pilots starve. All require a specialized crew to run and specialized parts to maintain.
When all supply lines are cut, when the enemy attacks while forces are demobilized and decentralized, the above listed supplies will be in short demand or impossible to find.
A gun is only as good as the ammo you have. How much ammo can you run with? How much do you have on hand NOW? I have 1 box of .22 shells and I really don't know how old they are. : /
And, yes. The most simple effective solution is to get to the 2nd floor of a building and break the stairs. Most apartment complexes have 2 or three levels in them. Perfect castles once you draw up the bridge. That's something YOU could do right now given a little time and a sledge hammer, instead of thinking about tanks and other what not you have no control over.
Then there's the issue of zombies existing in the first place.
A virus that reduces us to mindless eating machines? What? The closest thing I can think of to that would be rabies, and even that wouldn't create actual zombies. If Romero hadn't made Night of the Dead, we never would have had this silly idea.
Anyways, Australia is the place to be in a zombie attack.
Surrounded by sea, no food in the desert, the heat would dry them up, the sharks would rip them to bits, and we have hordes of angry bogans with crowbars and fast cars.
A thing that bothered me: What exactly is the infection vector? You need to get bitten, that's a given. Being scratched works, too, it seems. Zombie blood and gore in eyes/mouth is probably not good, either. But what about zombie breath? Do they even breath? And I guess zombies reek of disease...is the virus in that smell, too? In that case, this would get bad.
In the same league bad would be if zombie blood and gore on skin - or simply zombie touch - could be contagious.
Therefore, just to be sure, I'd vote for a military grade gasmask. And about the touch...ah, well, let's just go with the Death Korps of Krieg. They do it right. Protective coat, gas mask, helmet and a lasgun that can work on solar energy if necessary.
Ah, that would be nice against zombies. A lasgun. If it's a good one, you'd never run out of ammo if you're in a sunny combat zone.
If you all had mirror shields you can burninate stuff fairly easily.
Though solar weapons would not work in the UK, as we never see the sun.
Also, you can't really dry out a zombie, as they can function without water. You just get a zombie which is slightly crumbly
As for vectors, it is usually considered to be in the zombie's congealed blood/fluids, so a scratch has the possibility of infecting you if you get some gore in it, a bite almost certainly will infect you.
As has been said before, some good quality leather gear will protect you quite well from most incidental ways you can be infected.
A ski mask/goggles might help with any spray (you have to remember that all the blood and flids will be pretty congealed after a few days).
I don't think a gas mask is required until the bodies which have not been infected start to decay and become hosts for disease.
This is another advantage of a really high building, you might be in some cleaner air (and zombies are less likely to hear/spot you too, plus you avoid zombies piling up and reaching you so easily in large scal outbreaks).
I think solar weapons are worth the thought. The problem with continuous beams is, they won't make zombie heads explode.
I just read on wikipedia that some US company is working on some kind of laser weapon for the army. The laser beam creates a little ball of plasma on impact (no, not super-heated powa killa plasma, just plasma in a physical term). However, this ball can somehow assplode. The main effect seems to be a lout bang and an EMP effect that causes serious pain in people's nervous system.
...yeah, not that good against zombies, BUT! They're working on a lethal variant I think
So, pulsed laser weaponry? Not really existent, but would be quite useful.
Ah! Another idea!
How is the general consensus - do zombies still have a working nervous system, working muscles and stuff? (They don't in most fantasy environments I think) If they have still something resembling a normal human physique...
...then you settle down in a big house with lots of solar panels on the roof, get to 2nd or 3rd floor...and try to get the basement flooded. THEN you use your daily solar energy output to shock-electrocute all the zombies standing down there trying to come up. Fry their nervous system, all synapses, BLAM.
Everyday a little BZZAP! and your town's zombie population will shrink. You probably should take another way back to ground level, later though...don't wanna go through watery-swampy-zombie-corpse-terrain.
You all raise excellent points. But for real emergencies, or when you need to make a last stand as the biggest zombie-killing badass of all time, there's only one weapon to use.
Cheese Elemental wrote:A virus that reduces us to mindless eating machines? What? The closest thing I can think of to that would be rabies, and even that wouldn't create actual zombies. If Romero hadn't made Night of the Dead, we never would have had this silly idea.
You know what was actually a really good movie? Quarantine We never quite find out if it's zombies, but it does start out as a version of rabies that some government hater was cooking up. And watching how fast the "man" locks down the building at the first signs of zombification makes you wonder if law enforcment actually does have an "in the event of a zombie outbreak" manual.
Witzkatz wrote:........... The laser beam creates a little ball of plasma on impact (no, not super-heated powa killa plasma, just plasma in a physical term). However, this ball can somehow assplode.
Ooooo sounds hurty to me
side note - 50 not out [raises gore stained cricket bat and soaks up applause from crowd watching from 3rd floor balcony and readies himself for the next wave]
Even when bone dry, flesh is not all that flammable. Certainly not in a "light a match" way.
Flame throwers are only good on huge crowds (and when you are in a really safe place), as they weigh a tonne and only have 3-4 shots, or a few tens of seconds of continuous fire (depending on what model you are using).
Plus they are illegal and not in use by a lot of armies any more. So no fuel or weapon available anyway
@ Witz
Electricity can stun zombies, but it might take more than normal. As with anything "lethal", electricity can char zombies in "overhead cable" levels of power, just as they would regular people.
The generators required for such feats are complex and fuel consuming. And noisy...
I agree that my solar fueled zombie electrification idea is a bit flawed when looking at voltages and energy consumption.
Something that occurred to me while walking through our corporate building here; if you are hiding in a building with an open spiral staircase - in a way open that there is only a hip-heigth barrier from keeping you falling down - you can use that as defense and attack! Build some kind of barricade they have to climb over. Then get a pitchfork or some other large pole-weapon and simply push everyone a bit back and left and right when they're up on the barricade...and watch them fall down three to four floors and break every bone in their body. Yeah, won't kill them, but it's hard to bit someone when your legs are so shattered you can't even crawl on them.
Very situational method, but I found it interesting to adapt to terrain and use it to you advantage.
Solar chargers should certainly be carried in a zombie outbreak, as they will allow you to recharge torches and walkie talkies etc, which will be invaluable when the power cuts out.
But the spiral stair method you describe would be quite labour intensive and people, especially tired people, make mistakes.
Far better just to demolish the stairs and have a bit of peace and rest.
Lint wrote:
You know what was actually a really good movie? Quarantine
Forget that remake, watch the original. Man... filming a remake less than a year after the original? We need people who can come up with their own ideas.
As for gas-masks/helmets- they're not the greatest as they'll kill your periferal vision and also might be grabble; you want to be able to see everything at all times. Some helmets might cut down on your hearing as well. Remember you don't need something tough, you just need to protect your eyes and mouth so a paintball mask would probably do the trick. Speaking of grabbing, don't forget to cut off your hair.
As for smell? Probably goes from bad to worse. Dead people usually defecate when they die, so there will be that. How fast actual rot sets in depends on the weather- some will be faster, while others in colder climates would have less smell and take a lot longer to go to pieces.
While L4Dead is a great game, it's a horrible teaching tool. Fast zombies? Huh. Being able to kill zombies by shooting them in the legs? No. It's a FPS with super undead and lets you eat asprin to survive. Bad role model but great game.
jp400 wrote:Um... L4d isnt about the "undead" smart guy.
Oh? Cause I'm looking at the back of the game where it says, "Can you survive the ZOMBIE apocalypse". Hey! There's another one, " ... fighting HORDES of SWARMING ZOMBIES".
Soo... yea... sure does lead people to think that capping a zombie in the legs will kill it, when they're told they're fighting the undead.
Do they act like 28 Days Later infected? Yes. But the game was hyped about being about the undead. Take a look at the L4D2 trailer. Go to the spot on the bridge- you'll see the infected with huge massive wounds that no living being could survive.
Ok first of all,
Ive been apart of L4D forums since they were still thinking up ways to mod it from its roots.... (zombie mod for CSS)
They are INFECTED with an Advanced form of rabies.... they used the term zombies (even though they are not in a classical sense) cause of people like you couldnt grasp the concept.
Read the info and then the comments... Turtle Rock Studios called them infected the whole time. It wasnt until valve bought them out that the word "Zombie" really started popping up.
As for that ripoff crapfest that is L4d2...... once again... Valve made vs TRS.
Shall I call and inform the School that you wont be takeing the bus today......... cause you have already been taken to school?
jp400 wrote:Ok first of all,
Ive been apart of L4D forums since they were still thinking up ways to mod it from its roots.... (zombie mod for CSS)
They are INFECTED with an Advanced form of rabies.... they used the term zombies (even though they are not in a classical sense) cause of people like you couldnt grasp the concept.
Uh, I got the concept long before I got the game asshat. I hated the fact that 28 Days Later called the infected zombies because PR couldn't figure out what else to do, so they took the easy route. What the Valve forums say is absolutely meaningless because THEIR marketing of the FINAL product is what the vast majority of people see. So, looks like they underminded their original ideas with what's stated on the final product/magazine adds/billboards, etc. The amount of people that see those > the amount of forum readers and it propagates the misconceptions I already stated.
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jp400 wrote:
As for that ripoff crapfest that is L4d2...... once again... Valve made vs TRS.
Lastly, you can't magically discount/wave off the various parts of marketing you don't like since it's all the same to everyone else. We're talking about the general idea the game is publicly portraying via the E3 videos, the wording on clam shell game box and magazine ads.
A quick side note on "the need to carry loads of ammunition".
While I've never traveled "across the pond",I know here in the good old U.S of A the need to load oneself down with tons of ammo would be a waste.
A good stockpile off ammo at "home base" or multiple "home bases" would be all that would be needed.
As for carry ammo,a few 100 round would be plenty,so long as you stuck to comman rounds, 9mm,.357,.45acp,12 Gauge,.223,30-06,etc,there will more than likely be plenty of ammo readily available,hell I have 2 Wal-marts with in 2 miles of me and both are LOADED with ammo.
And there's a difference to us here in Europe. At least to Germany. The only store in my whole city (~200,000 inhabitants) that probably packs SOME ammunition is a little tiny shop that mainly sells air rifles and shiny fake swords. Oh, and there's a hunter's shop in some backwater village a few dozen miles off that might pack a few rounds of hunting ammo.
So, yeah, we Europeans definitely have to take all ammo we can get with us And, as I said before, should get some efficient CC weapon.
...though, when I think about it, there's a little gun club not a kilometre from my house. Funny how you can forget about that. Problem is, they got mostly air rifles, too, maybe some .38s or something like that. Well, at least a bit useful.
I'm a Ken-Jutsu student, and I have to say, my sword techniques would be pretty screwed against zombies. Side cuts-nope.
Wrist cuts-nope
Precision neck piercing cuts-nope
Head techniques-yes.
So in other words, the only ones that work are the ones that blunt my katana relatively quickly, and leave me the most open.
Not good. Where did you say those crowbars were again?
Man, up north, our only hope is a good winter against zombies, even then, I live in the land of rainy winters.
Really cold winters is a mixed blessing. THey'll freeze (hopefully you won't), but thaw out again in the spring. What looked like safe areas become dangerous again.
Actually, wouldn't decomposition put paid to Zombie land pretty quickly. Lets get over that they can still move and function-say its some sort of electrochemical handwavem.
But the basic workings of nature are still in play. Bacteria still consume. Maggots still party. Bodies will still decompose quickly.
The zombie virus apparently deters most decomposition by killing most of the bateria and bugs that would normally take care of such things.
Hence their flesh will only slowly wear away and decompose.
Although with such a huge quantity of zombie flesh, you would expect that the bacteria which could process their flesh would explode in numbers, but I guess zombie film makers never take this into account
Actually, wouldn't decomposition put paid to Zombie land pretty quickly. Lets get over that they can still move and function-say its some sort of electrochemical handwavem.
But the basic workings of nature are still in play. Bacteria still consume. Maggots still party. Bodies will still decompose quickly.
True, but I think that the infection (cos lets face it we are not talking about magic reanimation ala warhammer FB, that would be ridiculous!) would combat decomposition whilst the Z still had energy/reserves to maintain itself. They don't eat braaainnzz for nothing you know! Don't forget that in 28 DL the Z's eventually starved allowing the good ol' US of A ( ) to make claim, erm I mean rescue the survivors in 28 WL (poor film in comparison btw).
Logically ( ) the host body would still function in much the same way, muscle still inflates, sinews/tendons still pull; not necessarily using oxygenated blood ala normal hoomans, but something the infection mutates from it (ergo the lack of palour, slowness, squishyness and oozy "blood"). The mutated hooman physiology if still working to some degree would mean that they could hibernat (probably the wrong word) in one of many abandoned buildings when energy gets low meaning that there would be a continued threat for some thing after their last meal.
Re Z strength, without pain and a suitable supply of the Z adrenalin (or equivalent mutated from consumed braaainzz of course) I think we might find that Z's are suprisingly strong for a dead person, therefore should be avoided in groups.
So in conclusion although the Z apocalypse would be bloody and exciting but it would peater down after the food ran out, and by food I mean us. And by us us I mean you meatshield!
But those weren't zombies, they were people with a virus that just made them very angry. They don't really need brains just flesh, I guess they could starve to death. By that I mean that their own body uses itself up completely for energy.
According to the Zombie Survival Guide (ZSG), zombies don't need to eat etc, though I don't think this is the case.
According to the ZSG, zombies don't have any functioning organs, as they are dead. They are "strong" as they don't get tired.
I'm note convinced of the not needing to eat etc because nerves and muscles need some form of metabolism to keep on working at the very least to replace/reform ATP and pump the ions back into/out of the nerves.
SilverMK2 wrote:According to the Zombie Survival Guide (ZSG), zombies don't need to eat etc, though I don't think this is the case.
According to the ZSG, zombies don't have any functioning organs, as they are dead. They are "strong" as they don't get tired.
I'm note convinced of the not needing to eat etc because nerves and muscles need some form of metabolism to keep on working at the very least to replace/reform ATP and pump the ions back into/out of the nerves.
According to the Zombie Survival Guide? Who was the douche who wrote such nonsense? And why should they be right?
True, don't believe every thing you read, they'll have you beleiving that if you kick a Z in the nuts it won't double over in pain (the only area they feel it, even Z's have to keep their Mojo somewhere!)
Latest idea: However their "body" works, it sure won't survive a date with one of these big harvester-threshers. So, if you live in an agricultural area and you happen to have the nevessary gas/fuel...just cruise one of these things through the town. Preferrably with some friends to kick of the "smart" ones trying to climb up the sides.
Moopy wrote:Forget that remake, watch the original. Man... filming a remake less than a year after the original? We need people who can come up with their own ideas.
Figures it would be a remake. How dissapointing.
Cheese Elemental wrote:
According to the Zombie Survival Guide? Who was the douche who wrote such nonsense? And why should they be right?
The survival guide is a good read on the crapper. What you should really check out it World War Z. By far my favorite zombie fiction. Written by the same guy.
Zombie Survival Guide has to be best survival guide for a non existing event there is.
Everything that is suggested are common sense actions. No crazy ideas like "Chapter 3: Kung-Fu your way to safety!" Or "Get in your tank." Everything suggested are things that an everyday person can do.
Possible safe areas are discussed with their pros and cons and what you should expect if you try and hide in each. The good/bads about weapons as well. The book is a testament to critical thinking for staying alive against a zombie.
ZSG's zombies were toxic to animals so they weren't being eaten in return. Even if we take that out, decay will be very different and I would assume would be mostly dependent on temperature, rain fall and humidity. Cold climates will have problems A LOT longer than temperate. Dry climates (or those that get trapped in buildings/mines/subways/etc will keep them around longer as well.
I'm waiting to see WWZ in my local book shop, as I found ZSG to be quite interesting (and also quite fun).
It would be interesting to see a guide published for different sorts of zombies that have been seen in fiction (or in real life and hushed up - dun dun duuuhhhhh!), and how to survive against each sort.
Sort of like ZSG, but with a bit for each species of zombie. So Weapon X against zombie A, B, C, pros and cons etc.
I'd still argue that a sword, even blunt, has as great a hitting power as a crowbar.
Stick to a crowbar, it'll double as a useful tool.
) to make claim, erm I mean rescue the survivors in 28 