So in a 1v1 fight which primarch would win, my moneys on Angron. He's one crazy son of a bitch and has a very short temper.


EDIT: This is Pre-heresy so half the primarchs aint drugged up, im looking at you Fulgrim or dead.

One on One? Angorn by far.

He's a Daemon Prince and had the most badass upbringing aside from Lion and Russ.

Opps i should have included in the OP that I meant pre-heresy. So that way everyone's alive

Money's still on him.

Lordloss are we talking a Cage match or all out gun's and stuff?

I just see Angorn wearing a wrestler's belt.

Well a fight like kinda Ferrus Manus and Fulgrim, they were dueling for like a whole day I think.


Primarchs in full battle gear etc

Ahh.

Horus.

He DID (practically) kill the Emperor after all...

I forgot all about Horus >.<.

Well Angorn still for me, can't change my mind now

...You forgot about Hous? about THE Poster-Child Primarch for the Pre-Heresy Era and the Heresy itself? YEEEESH. *Hands Shadowbrand a gun* Here. His name is Pistol Pete. He's your friend. Just put him against your temple and pull that trigger there.

Sanguinius, the only reason he got beat by horus was because horus was mad with power that wasn't his. Even Horus said, pre-heresy, that Sanguinius should have been warmaster.

Its not about who was Warmaster its about who could crack the most skulls lol

Hmmm... I wish I could say Sanguinius, seeing as he's my favorite primarch, but I'd also have to say Horus. Either that or Fulgrim.

No one said Russ yet?

My money is on his drunken butt.

I remember reading in the Blood Angels book, Deus Sanguinius that Sanguinius was the best swords master every, of all time, and that no one could beat him in a sword fight. Dont forget Horus was an Evil chaos possessed practically a daemon in a space marine suit when he killed him.

My votes for ANGRON!!!!! Maybe Sanguinius though.

Space_hoppo wrote:I remember reading in the Blood Angels book, Deus Sanguinius that Sanguinius was the best swords master every, of all time, and that no one could beat him in a sword fight. Dont forget Horus was an Evil chaos possessed practically a daemon in a space marine suit when he killed him.

Then again so were the other Chaos Aligned Primarchs, save for Alpharius. But that's beside the point. Possessed Angry Horus was still Posessed Angry Horus. He was just Posessed and Angry

Russ all the way. crazy drunken space viking all the way

How would Alpharius/Omegon play into this? Are we counting them as one or two?

Ah, the most confusing of Primarchs. If we're counting them as two, I change my vote to them.

Really, just two of us vote for russ? The man who battled the Emperor for days? Really?

Russ! Russ! Russ!

Its a fight between Sangy and Russ.

Horus was the made the warmaster for his tactical genius, not for his fighting prowess. the dark gods pumped him up to fight the emprah.
Sangy was the best *swordsman but not necesarily the best fighter or the "toughest" primarch.

My money is on Russ.

Alpharius wouldnt go head to head - ambushes all the way! But its gotta be Horus to take home the belt, crazy Angron a close second.

Toughest? Mortarion then Ferrus / Vulcan

Fastest = Fulgrim

Most Brutal = Angron and Russ

Tactical Genius = Horus & Rowboat & The Lion

Best Defensive Strategist = Perturabo & Rogal Dorn

Lighting Warfare = Khan & Corax & Konrad Curze

Best Duelist = Sanguinius & Fulgrim

Stealth = Alpharius & Omegon & Curze

Best convincer = Lorgar

PSYCHER = Maggy

Oohh forgot Magnus the Red slapping down some hard core sorcery action take the steal.

How is Russ obviously not the one to win? Can anyone else go toe to toe with the Emperor like that with out external sources?
NOOOOPE! Sangy was great at SWORDSMANSHIP, but this is RUSS! He'd throw his spear at the boy and slam a shoulder to his nose so hard he'd cry blood for a week.

you forget russ was one on one with the lion and took a beating (well they both did) but no clear winner

Russ held his own against the Emperor until he got Pow-Fisted in the gut, Horus had the help of 4 gods and didn't last long enough.

crazykiwi wrote:you forget russ was one on one with the lion and took a beating (well they both did) but no clear winner

true... but didn't Lion win with a sucker punch? or was that a fight with the champs?

I'd love to vote Russ but I'd have to go for Magnus though, after all, one on one he was beating Russ until Morkai jumped into the mix. The guy's a super sized cyclops giant with magic, that has got to be a tough cookie to beat.

Horus lost us the war and I blame the Black Legion for the 5ed chaos codex.

I will use pistol pete to shoot Horus corpse and you, after all you did give me a gun. XD

Alpharius and Omegon, cus there's two of them

darkkt wrote:Oohh forgot Magnus the Red slapping down some hard core sorcery action take the steal.

Why did that post suddenly make me picture a Basketball game with all the Primarchs vs the Emperor? I don't even like Basketball!

hmm.... i can't decide between magnus and russ...
i'm going to say magnus would win though.

Toughest: Russ.

Best fighter: Sanguinius.

In between: Angron.

Because Angron is the perfect balance between the two, with the savagery of Russ and the skill of Sanguinius, I'd have to go with Angron.

Horus - No argument.

He simply was the toughest, strongest, most bad @$$ of them all.

alright, something we need to clear up, OP, is Horus traitor yet?

crazypsyko666 wrote:Toughest: Russ.

Best fighter: Sanguinius.

In between: Angron.

Because Angron is the perfect balance between the two, with the savagery of Russ and the skill of Sanguinius, I'd have to go with Angron.

Exactly my thinking!

The OP stated pre heresy, so Horus is out. Sangy was easily holding him at bay and debating him while Horus was crazy jacked up by the four gods. Without any upgrades, no way Horus has a chance. The only way Horus won was because the Chaos gods mind-shanked Sangy, and Sangy was too naive to realize his brother had drank the koolaid.

I don't really get the Russ love. I guess he got punched in the face by the Emprah w/ powerfist? Not really that impressive to survive that, a sixth of everybody hit by powerfists are fine, apparently.

metallifan wrote:Horus.

He DID (practically) kill the Emperor after all...

That was only because he was all drugged up on chaos!!

The Lion is famous for being a tactition so he would not do well in it. It would come to a fight between Russ, Angron and Horus. with Angron winning

horus was a mix of all the best traits

and btw the lion is one of the best tacticians and wasnt shabby in the fight so if russ couldnt beat the lion (seemed to be on equeal footing) would that mean if the lion decided to have a scuffle with the emperor when he turned up on caliban would you not have seen the same thing "possible powerfist to the gut"

except the lion would be probably planning each move before he made it in a fight which could explain why he could fend off and match up with russ

Sanguinius.
Straight up can beat the others in a both a bueaty, badass AND fighting contest. And he has WINGZ. Don't even TRY to argue with the fact that Sanguinius IS a frikkin angel of death.

I am not sure who I vote for, probably Karandras

What I do love about Russ is that he dueld the emperor, got hit by a powerfist, and continued as if nothing happened

All these Blood angels players going Sanguinius for no reason other than loyalty. Where's Angron now? DP. Where's Magnus now? DP. Where's Fulgrim now? DP. They survived. You know who didn't?

Where's Sanguinius now? Another notch on Horus' Sword. Just another Lamb for the Slaughter. He wouldn't win in a fight, he wouldn't even realise he was fighting (i.e. Horus Heresy).

Angron all the way. He is a Berzerker (=Win in CC) and a Primarch (=win always). How could he lose?

This is pre-heresy so lets date this like twenty years before the Heresy. All the Primarchs have been found etc.

Still Russ all the way.

I believe that Angron was a gladiator. So he constantly practiced 1 on 1 fights, thus beeing better prepared for the slugging match.
However in any fight the cheater will win so my money is on Magnus, Alpharius

Apharius got Owned by Girlyman.

Getting hit by a powerfist = insta death.
Getting hit by the emperor = insta death.
Getting hit by the emperor of space wearing a powerfist then carrying on fighting him = priceless

My money is on Russ.

If we are saying 'most badass' then Angron is out, he's waaay to undisciplined and zerkered up.

Imperial Monkey wrote: The Lion is famous for being a tactition so he would not do well in it. It would come to a fight between Russ, Angron and Horus. with Angron winning

Lion and Russ fought for ages with no clear winner so why is Russ deemed stronger all of a sudden? At the end of said fight when Russ was having a bit of a chuckle about the whole thing Lion walked up and knocked him out cold. I think Lion stands as much chance as Russ!

I don't know much about Angron, what did he do PRE-heresy, when he was "just" a primarch to raise him above the others? From what i've read he had implants to make him more aggressive and therefore was more of a fruitcake and bloodthirsty.

Whoever voted for Magnus must remember, he got pwnd by RAGNAR BLACKMANE, who is not even a primarch, and never even became a full-fledged Grey Hunter.

also, the Russ+Lion fight that lasted for days was more of them wrestling around like brothers, not actually fighting, why else would Russ just stand up and start laughing, if he was really fighting him tooth and nail, the Lion wouldn't have had a chance. The Lion also took the fight much more seriously (hence the suckerpunch)

I can definately agree its a fight between Angron-Russ-Sangy, with Sangy losing first because he was merely the best swordsman, not the best overall fighter and Russ beating Angron, because Angron was a crazy bastard, where as Russ actually used tactics sometimes (sometimes)

Maugan-Ra

Magnus: he'll just mind F$#^% you then, turn you into something like a lawn chair or a golden toilet???

Vote for Magnus, for being the bad ass, hes under rated IMP

Demogerg wrote:Whoever voted for Magnus must remember, he got pwnd by RAGNAR BLACKMANE, who is not even a primarch, and never even became a full-fledged Grey Hunter.

also, the Russ+Lion fight that lasted for days was more of them wrestling around like brothers, not actually fighting, why else would Russ just stand up and start laughing, if he was really fighting him tooth and nail, the Lion wouldn't have had a chance. The Lion also took the fight much more seriously (hence the suckerpunch)

I can definately agree its a fight between Angron-Russ-Sangy, with Sangy losing first because he was merely the best swordsman, not the best overall fighter and Russ beating Angron, because Angron was a crazy bastard, where as Russ actually used tactics sometimes (sometimes)

Not slightly biased due to loving Space Wolves at all?

All indications of the fight between Jonson and Russ were that Russ started it due to Jonson killing the guy (Durath?) that insulted him. He was apparently furious and thus a mass brawl ensued, a bit more than brotherly wrestling me thinks. Russ was supposed to have been the stronger whilst Lion was the faster of the two. He stood up and started laughing i would have imagined because he saw the pointlessness of the whole thing. After all, had Lion not actually just killed the guy who insulted him afterall?

Madgod wrote:Where's Sanguinius now? Another notch on Horus' Sword. Just another Lamb for the Slaughter. He wouldn't win in a fight, he wouldn't even realise he was fighting (i.e. Horus Heresy).

Horus was full of Chaos power at that point, so it's not like they ever fought purely with their own natural skills and power.

Guard wrote:

Demogerg wrote:Whoever voted for Magnus must remember, he got pwnd by RAGNAR BLACKMANE, who is not even a primarch, and never even became a full-fledged Grey Hunter.

also, the Russ+Lion fight that lasted for days was more of them wrestling around like brothers, not actually fighting, why else would Russ just stand up and start laughing, if he was really fighting him tooth and nail, the Lion wouldn't have had a chance. The Lion also took the fight much more seriously (hence the suckerpunch)

I can definately agree its a fight between Angron-Russ-Sangy, with Sangy losing first because he was merely the best swordsman, not the best overall fighter and Russ beating Angron, because Angron was a crazy bastard, where as Russ actually used tactics sometimes (sometimes)

Not slightly biased due to loving Space Wolves at all?

All indications of the fight between Jonson and Russ were that Russ started it due to Jonson killing the guy (Durath?) that insulted him. He was apparently furious and thus a mass brawl ensued, a bit more than brotherly wrestling me thinks. Russ was supposed to have been the stronger whilst Lion was the faster of the two. He stood up and started laughing i would have imagined because he saw the pointlessness of the whole thing. After all, had Lion not actually just killed the guy who insulted him afterall?

Very biased, but thats ok, because this is the interwebs.

There are actually at least 3 different sources that tell of the fight between Russ and the Lion, each one is slightly different, and of the 3 that I know of, 2 point to Russ thinking it was a brotherly brawl, and the 3rd, was in the DA codex, and it paints the picture that the Lion thought Russ was commiting heresy.

so interweb bias, Check.
sourcebook bias, Check.


EDIT* its all in good fun, and I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone, I am just playing the "part" of the staunch Space Wolf supporter.

The Lion+Sangy+Russ+Angron in one body would probably be more than enough to take down most galactic empires. The Lion is a genius, maybe not the best fighter, but he sees the bigger picture, AND the details. My money is on Angron because of unpredictability. You don't win fights in gladiator matches JUST because you're a primarch and a berserker. He was unpredictable, and that was what made him scary. If it were Russ or Sangy, sure the Lion would take a beating, but he'd be smart enough to come out on top. He did destroy an entire world full of carnivorous 20 foot monsters, didn't he? Changing the status from death world to a regular one? The fight between he and Luther also DESTROYED his planet. A fight between two people, with enough power to blow a planet to bits. An exterminatus can only destroy the surface.

the planet was detsroyed because chaos was involved not because the lion was so powerful.
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Russ would still win. hands down

Lorgar. That boy has issues.

Actually, didn't Horus himself comment that it should have been Sanguinius to have been given the mantle of Warmaster?

i dont even play space marines i say Russ

I might have to say Konrad...that's one messed up psycopathic kid. (And he beat the crap out of Dorn)

Yea but everybody beat the crap out of Dorn. Remember when he refused to break down his Legion after the Heresy and they all WTFowned his face?

No...I think Konrad was the only one to defeat Dorn 1-on-1. (No else did)

BTW, not only did Konrad defeat him, he pretty much tore him apart!

Fulgrim could probably mess up a few people if he got pissed.

He did put Roburte into stasis after all.

And WTF happened to him?

Rowboat or Fulgrim? Rowboat got his throat cut. Fulgrim, well... He's a big angry Daemon Prince now.

"In the final battle between Russ and Magnus, it is said that Russ blinded Magnus and then broke the Cyclops' back over his knee, and just as Russ was about to deliver the final blow, Magnus gave his allegiance to the Chaos god Tzeentch and was ascended to Daemon Prince. "

From Lexicanum.

Seriously, Russ is the strongest of them all, perhaps not the fastest or smartest, but he is the strongest.

Is this like asking "Who would win, Lenny or George?"

As in real life, it doesn't matter who you think is the best - it's those who survive that get to tell the tale.

So I would say those still living.

My money's still on Fulgrim. I wish he hadn't turned out as a Daemon prince, though. He was much cooler back before he was spikified.

I'd vote Horus with the gods, probably Sanguinius without.

It's probably one of the lost Primarchs.

My vote now going to Fulgrim, ive nearly finshed Fulgrim and he's like Sooooo cool pre-heresy.

I might add a poll so beware.

Im going to have to go with Curze, he could see the future includeing the herasy and his own death and he annihlated his own homeworld!!!!

Fulgrim v. Sanguinius--first to have their extensions pulled out or mascara smudged loses.

I'd love to see Russ v. Angron. I know who'd win, but it'd still be a fun fight.

Russ. He's got the right references:

- Survived a powerfist to the face from the Emp
- Survived a stab through the heart from Lion
- Took out an enemy Titan singlehandedly
- Only Primarch to beat Horus in hand-to-hand combat - before the Heresy!

Manchu wrote:Fulgrim v. Sanguinius--first to have their extensions pulled out or mascara smudged loses.

I'd love to see Russ v. Angron. I know who'd win, but it'd still be a fun fight.

Angron would trash Russ. The Emperor didn't fight him because Angron had done nothing but fight his entire life and would have been more than a match for him. Russ would just get ripped to pieces.

I'd like to know what kind of equipment Angron used pre-heresey. I see him as a halbered or axe guy. does anyone know?

2 chainaxes named Gorefather, and Gorechild (Kharn's axe), and a Plasma pistol, IIRC.

I voted Angron for unpredictability, berzerkness, etc.

I thought gorechild was given to him by khorne..... huh. I dunno.

Yes, Angron used Gorefather, which was a fething enormous chainaxe, with Gorechild as a secondary weapon which he later gave to Kharn. He also wielded Ragefire or something like that, a custom plasma pistol. After he became a Daemon Prince, he replaced Gorefather with the Black Blade, a powerful Runesword. He kept Ragefire.

The thing about Russ surviving a power fist from the Emperors and that making him tough is B.S. The Emperor wouldnt want to kill Russ.

I'm going by the title "toughest" . Hands down it is mortarion. He is the primarch of the toughest cult troops in the game and is far tougher than them himself. Post-heresy he is no imbued with the blessing of father nurgle making him that much tougher.

If we're going to say who would win in a fight?

Pre-heresy, horus is the strongest of all of the primarchs, that is pretty much straight from the fluff. Second to only the emperor himself in all traits and only he could defeat another primarch and then mortally wound the emperor himself the greatest of all mankind. It doesn't really matter though because he died himself. Most of the primarch fights that end in a death are almost always going to end with the other guy mortally wounded in some way if they are fighting 1v1. I think a lot of non-primarchs are potentially stronger than some of the still-existing primarchs anyway. Ahriman dominates magnus, typhus > mortarion (again showing how tough plague marines in general are, not to mention their champions), and abaddon cursed horus for being so weak and blaming him for the failure of the heresy. Curze was an incredible 1v1 fighter but allowed a lowly assassin to kill him to make a point. Angron as mentioned before got banished on armageddon because he bit off more than he could chew (a classic berzerker move).

Lorgar's Herald wrote:Im going to have to go with Curze, he could see the future includeing the herasy and his own death and he annihlated his own homeworld!!!!

Magnus can see the future as well, and probably better than Curze ever could. I believe curze to be a better 1v1 fighter because of his night stalker days, but who would win 1v1 between them? Who would know. It would be a matter of terrain, time of day, and what kind of condition/rest they had. If it is a bright sunny day and Magnus can see Curze coming from a long way off he is going to be a crispy critter before he can ever get into 1v1. If it is pitch black out and Curze locates Magnus first, Magnus will never get a chance to see what severed his head from his neck. This is the problem with trying to figure this out, there are many more factors than who is strongest or toughest in a fight.

Lord-Loss wrote:The thing about Russ surviving a power fist from the Emperors and that making him tough is B.S. The Emperor wouldnt want to kill Russ.

The Emperor wielded a lightning claw, not a powerfist.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:The thing about Russ surviving a power fist from the Emperors and that making him tough is B.S. The Emperor wouldnt want to kill Russ.

The Emperor wielded a lightning claw, not a powerfist.

In that fight it was a powerfist.


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Halsfield wrote:I'm going by the title "toughest" . Hands down it is mortarion. He is the primarch of the toughest cult troops in the game and is far tougher than them himself. Post-heresy he is no imbued with the blessing of father nurgle making him that much tougher.

If we're going to say who would win in a fight?

Pre-heresy, horus is the strongest of all of the primarchs, that is pretty much straight from the fluff. Second to only the emperor himself in all traits and only he could defeat another primarch and then mortally wound the emperor himself the greatest of all mankind. It doesn't really matter though because he died himself. Most of the primarch fights that end in a death are almost always going to end with the other guy mortally wounded in some way if they are fighting 1v1. I think a lot of non-primarchs are potentially stronger than some of the still-existing primarchs anyway. Ahriman dominates magnus, typhus > mortarion (again showing how tough plague marines in general are, not to mention their champions), and abaddon cursed horus for being so weak and blaming him for the failure of the heresy. Curze was an incredible 1v1 fighter but allowed a lowly assassin to kill him to make a point. Angron as mentioned before got banished on armageddon because he bit off more than he could chew (a classic berzerker move).

Lorgar's Herald wrote:Im going to have to go with Curze, he could see the future includeing the herasy and his own death and he annihlated his own homeworld!!!!

Magnus can see the future as well, and probably better than Curze ever could. I believe curze to be a better 1v1 fighter because of his night stalker days, but who would win 1v1 between them? Who would know. It would be a matter of terrain, time of day, and what kind of condition/rest they had. If it is a bright sunny day and Magnus can see Curze coming from a long way off he is going to be a crispy critter before he can ever get into 1v1. If it is pitch black out and Curze locates Magnus first, Magnus will never get a chance to see what severed his head from his neck. This is the problem with trying to figure this out, there are many more factors than who is strongest or toughest in a fight.

Horus was not the best fighter of the bunch, Fluff states he was the Emprahs favorite, and the one with the best Tactics (CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED) but in terms of individual fighting power many other promarchs come out on top, including, but not limited to; Russ, Angron, and Sangy.

Guard wrote:

Not slightly biased due to loving Space Wolves at all?

All indications of the fight between Jonson and Russ were that Russ started it due to Jonson killing the guy (Durath?) that insulted him. He was apparently furious and thus a mass brawl ensued, a bit more than brotherly wrestling me thinks. Russ was supposed to have been the stronger whilst Lion was the faster of the two. He stood up and started laughing i would have imagined because he saw the pointlessness of the whole thing. After all, had Lion not actually just killed the guy who insulted him afterall?

In the old space wolf codex the fight started because the two were attacking a world jointly and Johnson suddenly left Russ flank exposed to exploit a weakness and win the battle, while the SW took heavy casualties. Russ got in Johnson's face about it afterwards and the Lion sucker punched him.

The later Dark Angels codexes claimed that Russ started it, but you can't really trust them, since we all know the DA are secretly traitors who go to immense lengths to hide their shame.

Anyway, Russ has always been one of the better combatants, unafraid to take things head on and win without subterfuge unlike most of the other Primarchs. Agron suffers from the bezerker surgery which makes it easy to lead him into making a mistake, and Sanguinious while good with a sword is more on the olympic sport level while Russ does bar room brawling.

Demogerg wrote:

Horus was not the best fighter of the bunch, Fluff states he was the Emprahs favorite, and the one with the best Tactics (CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED) but in terms of individual fighting power many other promarchs come out on top, including, but not limited to; Russ, Angron, and Sangy.

And yet he won the hardest battle of any primarch in the history of the game's setting. I am completely confused that you list sanguinus as a better fighter than horus when he was cut down by him. You can claim that he willingly gave his life , but if sanguinius could have struck horus down he would have done it and saved the empire right then and there. Instead all he could do was leave a small dent in Horus' armor that the emperor then saw and struck there to kill Horus (again, after Horus mortally wounded the emperor, the strongest most brilliant fighter/tactician of all time).

You could argue that Angron is physically stronger (which again, is up for discussion because Horus was incredibly tall and strong, and had to be in order to defeat sang + emp) but he is like a mad dog and fights recklessly leaving himself open for a more controlled opponent. Even as a daemon prince he got his butt kicked because of that.

Russ? He was defeated by the emperor. Horus essentially killed the emperor so how can you say russ would be stronger?

As I said before, Horus is the best of the primarchs, that is why the Emperor chose him to be his 2nd in command, and that is why he gained the respect and trust of enough other primarchs/legions to enact the heresy in the first place and why he could defeat another primarch and the emperor himself. Even if you don't admit that he was the strongest (which is debatable) he is the best fighter, hands down.

Mortarion is the most resilient(toughest), and proved this both in his early life and after his fall during the terminus est plague.

Horus was pumped up with Chaos powe.

Fulgrim is an amazing fighter and unlike some primarchs was always learning and not afraid of change if it benifited the warriors, like Fabius work.

Lord-Loss wrote:Horus was pumped up with Chaos powe.

Fulgrim is an amazing fighter and unlike some primarchs was always learning and not afraid of change if it benifited the warriors, like Fabius work.

I don't remember Horus getting any greater power from chaos, just drive and ambition(he was taken in by the word bearer's , known for their brainwashing), he was already a beast of a man standing taller than all of them. Even as a daemon prince he would have a very hard time defeating both sang and the emperor(one of the greatest fighters, easily able to dominate daemons, and one of the most powerful psykers alive).

Excerpt from 40k wiki about horus' corruption at the hands of erebus:
"The secret sect on Davin was really a chaos shrine, and using sorcery, which was outlawed by the emperor, managed to warp the mind of the war master against the emperor by playing on his dejected feelings about his father."

The Chaos Gods were ridding with him, thats gonna give him so power?

Horus was the Emporer's faviorite, or as they say in Galaxy in flames:

Horus: Why was I made Warmaster?
Abaddon: Cause you Always win.
Horus: Yes, I always do.

Or something like that.

Halsfield wrote:

Demogerg wrote:

Horus was not the best fighter of the bunch, Fluff states he was the Emprahs favorite, and the one with the best Tactics (CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED) but in terms of individual fighting power many other promarchs come out on top, including, but not limited to; Russ, Angron, and Sangy.

And yet he won the hardest battle of any primarch in the history of the game's setting. I am completely confused that you list sanguinus as a better fighter than horus when he was cut down by him. You can claim that he willingly gave his life , but if sanguinius could have struck horus down he would have done it and saved the empire right then and there. Instead all he could do was leave a small dent in Horus' armor that the emperor then saw and struck there to kill Horus (again, after Horus mortally wounded the emperor, the strongest most brilliant fighter/tactician of all time).

You could argue that Angron is physically stronger (which again, is up for discussion because Horus was incredibly tall and strong, and had to be in order to defeat sang + emp) but he is like a mad dog and fights recklessly leaving himself open for a more controlled opponent. Even as a daemon prince he got his butt kicked because of that.

Russ? He was defeated by the emperor. Horus essentially killed the emperor so how can you say russ would be stronger?

As I said before, Horus is the best of the primarchs, that is why the Emperor chose him to be his 2nd in command, and that is why he gained the respect and trust of enough other primarchs/legions to enact the heresy in the first place and why he could defeat another primarch and the emperor himself. Even if you don't admit that he was the strongest (which is debatable) he is the best fighter, hands down.

Mortarion is the most resilient(toughest), and proved this both in his early life and after his fall during the terminus est plague.

Horus had the backing of the Chaos Gods, he admitted that in a one on one fight Sanguinius would have beaten him, but Horus had help.

without that help Horus is just a brilliant tactitan, not the best fighter.

Demogerg wrote:

Horus had the backing of the Chaos Gods, he admitted that in a one on one fight Sanguinius would have beaten him, but Horus had help.

without that help Horus is just a brilliant tactitan, not the best fighter.

The emperor of mankind holds the forces of the chaos gods at bay simply with his will. He is the strongest single being in the universe, the most powerful psyker, the strongest fighter, and is essentially a god having lived thousands and thousands of years. For Horus to beat him in single combat (right after beating sanguinius), even with the help of the 4 gods of chaos (which the emperor again can keep out of this realm with his will alone) was an incredible feat, especially after defeating sanguinius.

Horus had the most time with the emperor, learned the most from him about all things, fighting, tactics, etc and thus would be the obvious choice for the 2nd in command being the best at all things second only to the emperor. With the help of chaos he was able to mortally wound the emperor, but I still think that points to him being stronger than all of the rest of the primarchs. There is a reason Erebus chose him to be the leader of the heresy and the reason the chaos gods chose him to fight the primarchs/emperor. You don't choose a champion that can't fight to assassinate your greatest enemy.

I'm not really sure how I could vote for anyone but Horus; I mean he destroyed Sanguinis and the only person who could take him down was the Emperor himself (after being nearly killed by Horus btw). Not to belittle the other primarchs but I don't see there being much contest.

Night Haunter! Why? Cos he's the GODAMNED BATPRIMARCH!

Lion E'Jonson due to his background story.

Ive just finshed Fulgrim and my vote no longer goes to fulgrim, you emporer Children players are SICK!

Read the end of Fulgrim and your see why.

I say Ferrus Manus! Now he was badass!

Ive just finshed Fulgrim and my vote no longer goes to fulgrim, you emporer Children players are SICK!

Why all the hate? We're people too. Just spiky.

Have you read Fulgrim?

Its pretty damn disturbing, it describes Noise marines who have torn off there eye lashes so there eyes are never closed. Noise marines who have cut there ears off and cut slits were they used to be. A noise marines cuts off an Iron Hands marines head and then kisses him before laughing and chucking it away. A noise marines gets half his face burnt off, and lays there in orgasmic pleasure then stabs a sword through an Iron hands crotch and says "Thank you, that was equsite.

Eh, that's not so bad. I've written some worse fluff for my Slaaneshi Legion.

I voted for Sanguinius.

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Shelegelah wrote:Eh, that's not so bad. I've written some worse fluff for my Slaaneshi Legion.

Oh gods, I don't want to know.

Leman Russ is in the lead, followed by Angron!


It seems that though err kinda plain Primarchs like Ferrus or Girlyman, Dorn etc aint very tough?

Its all relative,
compared to most other being in the universe, all of the primarchs are crazy tough.
compared to each other, a few stand above the rest.

Dorn kicks ass. He just doesn't kick enough ass to be the toughest primarch. Same with Ferrus, Guilliman, etc.

I thought Ferrus was pretty darn cool. He nearly beat up Fulgrim.

I'm chucking my vote in for Old Angron. If it is genuinely one on one with no pre-amble, then Angron. I mean c'mon, the dood survived a literal fortress falling on him. Plus I think the other Primarchs would feel some kind of remorse or a slight hesitation at attacking their brothers (this is pre-heresy, so none of your "Oh but Horus killed Sanguinius") whereas Angron seems to lack those feelings.

RUSS, Plain old Russ. He would rip them all apart, then go off eat his own body weight in Meat and drink a Barrel or two. Then he would relieve himself all over his brothers corpses marking out his scent and showing his contempt.

Even Horus was wary of Russ hence he sent him off to smash up Prospero.

Lion. He grew up in a wilderness with really dangerous beasts, leads a crusade against the beasties, helps the Emperor, knocks the gak out of Russ due to a misunderstanding stemming from Lion interfering in Russ' plan on killing a governor who offended him, and then deals with his own mini heresy with Luther.
I'd definitely say he is one of the toughest, as well as under appreciated Primarchs.

My vote goes for Corax. He wouldn't even need to fight. He'd just sneak up and Vulcan Death Pinch some motha-fethas.

Er what manchu said