I for one will join my patriotic brothers and boycott haggis. I think we all can agree that the boycotting of haggis is called for. I do believe it is a war crime under th Geneva convention to feed prisoners haggis...
Haggis. Nature's way of answering the question "WTF is that?"
1. It was mostly Americans
2. You guys let that bastard go instead of a caliber .308 solution.
3. As noted I shall continue my haggis boycott. Amazingly, I was boycotting haggis previously but this reboubles my efforts! Take that Scotland! No justice no Haggis (takes a swig of fine whisky in the hopes of a long boycott, notices label) HEY THATS SCOTCH! ARGHHH!!!
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p.s. I didn't call French Fries, Freedom fries either.
They're carefully cryunchy potatoes of delectation!
Boycott haggis! Its evil was revealed to us in Revelations "Thou shalt not eat the stuffing of intestines by the Scots, for it is the Beast's Food and Beith Gross."
Boycott Kilts! We know what they don't wear beneath their kilts! as the English Proclamation of 1535 stated: "
Beware the kilt wearers, lest they flash ye, which Beith Grsss, and verily!"
Boycott Scottish Whisky! For it was spoken of by Nostradamus "For there came a war upon the Land between the Hosts of Single Malt, and the Hosts of Agava, and there was much praying to the porcelain god, which Beith Gross."
Frazzled wrote:Boycott haggis! Its evil was revealed to us in Revelations "Thou shalt not eat the stuffing of intestines by the Scots, for it is the Beast's Food and Beith Gross."
Frazzled wrote:Boycott haggis! Its evil was revealed to us in Revelations "Thou shalt not eat the stuffing of intestines by the Scots, for it is the Beast's Food and Beith Gross."
But I just told you it's English!
Well I'm sure you English did something along the way to deserve it.
No no, there's no indication Ireland has committed any Haggis related human rights violations. So far, Ireland and Wales are in the clear. England clearly is an evil doer, but its partially counteracted by good beer, pubs, and a full retinue of Indian curries.
Kilts are a whole other range of atroctites. Can we let this sort of thing continue? I think not!
halonachos wrote:We must go one step further and boycott england for preventative measure.
...Are you including Cornwall in that.../twitch
I am including everything on that island, I am also going to include northern Ireland. I will wait to see if boycotting the rest of the Ireland Isle is necessary as well.
Scotsman, garry mckinon gets extrodited against his human rights in Britain. Whatsmore the US have said he will be punished for excercising his right to appeal the extradition.
So why don't scotland boycott american products?
It's almost too coincidental that those too thing have happened this year. It's as if they released a US prisoner on compasionate grounds for locking someone up who should have been treated with compassion. I can't imagine that's the case, and I am not saying their of the same stature. But still.
See this is what happens when you have unfettered access to haggis. monsters appear
No not cool monsters like godzilla who are consider enough to shade you from the sun
Or even the creature from the Black Lagoon, who's a real party animal.
But like big lizards that hang out in a lake, scaring the haggis eating whiskey drinkers on the beach.
Lord-Loss wrote:Im confused who's this Bomber Scotland releasing?
I doubt Americans can say much with that epic fail you call a Justice system.
Not to mention doing bugger all to prevent US based donations to the [strike]Terrorist Scum[/strike] 'Brave freedom fighters and not at all murderous bastards' IRA.
Lord-Loss wrote:Im confused who's this Bomber Scotland releasing?
I doubt Americans can say much with that epic fail you call a Justice system.
Not to mention doing bugger all to prevent US based donations to the [strike]Terrorist Scum[/strike] 'Brave freedom fighters and not at all murderous bastards' IRA.
That has nothing to do with the topic of haggis, you Scotch drinking kilt wearer!
The guy was a hacker who hacked US military and NASA information and may have deleted some crucial information. Not only that but it cost about $700,000 to find and repair the issues.
He shut down a navy base and left messages on the machines. like this one:
"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”
The guy attacked the US government and the US government is fighting back. Oh he has aspergers, big deal, I work with people who have aspergers and they can function normally in society.
whatwhat wrote:For every one reason an American can think up to boycott Scotish product I can think of ten reasons for a scotsman to boycott American products.
Again, dumb.
I see we've smoked out another haggis eater in our midst. Should have known. Cumbria's awfully close to Scotland. A little too close to Scotland. You're not harboring any prehistoric, heavily accented sea going dinosaurs in your pool are you? Admit you crimes Loch lover!
halonachos wrote:The guy was a hacker who hacked US military and NASA information and may have deleted some crucial information. Not only that but it cost about $700,000 to find and repair the issues.
He shut down a navy base and left messages on the machines. like this one:
"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”
The guy attacked the US government and the US government is fighting back. Oh he has aspergers, big deal, I work with people who have aspergers and they can function normally in society.
It doesn't matter whether he was in the wrong or not. You shouldn't get punished for exercising your rights. That was the point, the aspergers issue is beside it.
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whatwhat wrote:For every one reason an American can think up to boycott Scotish product I can think of ten reasons for a scotsman to boycott American products.
Again, dumb.
I see we've smoked out another haggis eater in our midst. Should have known. Cumbria's awfully close to Scotland. A little too close to Scotland. You're not harboring any prehistoric, heavily accented sea going dinosaurs in your pool are you? Admit you crimes Loch lover!
I hate haggis. ...I do have a scottish surname though...but that came from my bastard father.
whatwhat wrote:For every one reason an American can think up to boycott Scotish product I can think of ten reasons for a scotsman to boycott American products.
Again, dumb.
I see we've smoked out another haggis eater in our midst. Should have known. Cumbria's awfully close to Scotland. A little too close to Scotland. You're not harboring any prehistoric, heavily accented sea going dinosaurs in your pool are you? Admit you crimes Loch lover!
I think you're a closet Jock matey. CONFESS TO YOUR GINGER GENES AND EMBRACE YOUR HAIRY HERITAGE!
whatwhat wrote:For every one reason an American can think up to boycott Scotish product I can think of ten reasons for a scotsman to boycott American products.
Again, dumb.
I see we've smoked out another haggis eater in our midst. Should have known. Cumbria's awfully close to Scotland. A little too close to Scotland. You're not harboring any prehistoric, heavily accented sea going dinosaurs in your pool are you? Admit you crimes Loch lover!
I think you're a closet Jock matey. CONFESS TO YOUR GINGER GENES AND EMBRACE YOUR HAIRY HERITAGE!
"Nevah! You can take our chicken fried steak, but you'll nevah take...OUR FREEDOMMMMM!!!!!"
this may sound like a dumb question to some, but why don't the american government use the 'hacker', to help fix any problems in their computer system, if he can do it, so can others
But Haggis and Scotch are delicious! Can't we all just blame it on the French and boycott their whiny country instead? Lets be honest the French are always a good scapegoat...
Frazzled wrote:No that won't do. The French invented croisants, which are delicious. So its back to haggis.
If thine haggis offends thee pluck it out!
Highlander Chicken....Chicken Breast (I said Breast. And then I said it again) stuffed with Haggis, wrapped in Bacon, cooked, served with a creamy Whisky sauce.....
statu wrote:this may sound like a dumb question to some, but why don't the american government use the 'hacker', to help fix any problems in their computer system, if he can do it, so can others
Because it wasn't a 'hack' in the traditional sense of the work. There was no port scanning, sql injectionn script exploitation or any of the normal activities normally associated with hacking.
Essentially the pentagon upgraded some PC's to windows 2000 (this was back in 2001) and Gary thought the local administrators might forget to turn off the guest accounts and by goodness he was right! He simply looked up the I.P. ranges belonging to the pentagon (this is public info) and put together a basic script to connect to the IP's in this range with a user name of Administrator and no password.
This isn't the work of genius hacker as the British press are claiming but merely fairly standard stuff for a mid level techie. He simply exploited a known weakness because the local admins messed up. He wouldn't be much use to the Pentagon.
There no doubt in my mind he deserves to be punished, I think it's rather offensive to the majority of aspergers sufferers, that go about their day to day lives without breaking the law, that this guy is trying to use it as some kind of excuse. A to whether the trial should take place in the UK or the USA I think as the damage was done to American machines it's fair to say America has every right to put him on trial. Had an American pulled a similar trick on computers at GCHQ I'm sure we would be keen for a trial in the UK.
The really Inronic thing is that has he cooperated in the first place his sentence would now long be over and he would be home a free man. Talk of 60 year jail sentences is tabloid hyperbole.
Again, the aspergers issue wasn't the point. The point was the US has declared he will be punished for drawing out the extradition process, i.e. punishing him for exercising his right to an appeal.
You said it yourself...
LuciusAR wrote:The really Inronic thing is that has he cooperated in the first place his sentence would now long be over and he would be home a free man.
Can I vote this thread as the most off topic/on topic thread seen on Dakka?
Veering from the subject, to taking the OP seriously, to discussing extradition, to discussing food, via the original subject, and then back out the window shouting 'WIBBLE'
It's like a Space Hulk of the Interwebs, where somewhere, somehow, half a dozen different threads collided in the Warp of Webspace, before being shat out onto Dakka's server, attracting yet more flotsam and jetsam of posting
If you really want to stick it to the Scots just start drinking bottles of Jameson and Bushmill's and begin your drunken declaration of how superior Irish whiskey is to Scotch. Or even better, fly the flag of St. George from the top of the Scottish parliament to remind them who is in charge. Both of these things will rile them up thoroughly Fraz.
Ok, lets put our cards on the table and clarify the situation here.
America... it goes without saying that you are the current superpower and you believe that you know everything when it comes to world politics. It was 233 years ago that you became a nation in your own right and correct me if I'm wrong here, but another hundred odd years before you really started getting involved in world politics.
What do you think Europe was doing before 1776 and after 1776? We were screwing each other over, either by military force or using diplomacy. The political back stab to gain power, influence or wealth was invented by us, we probably have a thousand year head start on you in this area. Which is why I'm not shocked that such a deal has happened, especially as there is evidence that the guy was stitched up and that an appeal would shine a bright light on things that the powers in charged don't want looked at.
What really does hack me off is that the buggers in charge can't even get this right. For crying out loud we are one of the founding nations when it comes to political skullduggery and we manage to cock this up big time. The bloody French wouldn't of and if they had there would of been a national shrug of shoulders and a "so what, it's business" response. If it had been the Germans we wouldn't known anything about it, unless sometime in the future someone stubbled across his grave in Libya and recognised the name!
In fairness you've tried your best, but you've been just too obvious in your approach.
"Do you hate communism?"
"You do? Great, we'll be your friend"
"What you're a dictorship that sponsors death squads?" Don't worry about that, we know it's just to protect yourself from those darn reds."
"You don't do elections?"
"No problem, we know it's because you're too busy fight the red menace to have time to run elections."
"You've got no money left to fight those commies? No problem have $200 milliion off us as a loan to help arm your forces." Don't worry you can keep your $120 million slush fund in one of our nice banks... don't want those reds getting hold of it do we?"
Sneaky beaky, that's the way to do it... unless you're a bunch of bumbling buffoons like our bloody lot are sheesh!
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halonachos wrote:We must go one step further and boycott england for preventative measure.
...Are you including Cornwall in that.../twitch
I am including everything on that island, I am also going to include northern Ireland. I will wait to see if boycotting the rest of the Ireland Isle is necessary as well.
The Cornish Nation hereby withdraws your pasty privileges. Neither Fairings nor Saffron cake, Heavy cake nor StarryGazey Pie will you know from now until the ends of time.
I say that this thread is outrageous!
Boycott Frazz! No more Frazzburgers for lunch until he stops his silly haggis boycott. What´s next Frazz boycotting Japanese female bodybuilders?
Texans! It´s about time we fill the entire state with sheep and force them to eat haggis, that´ll teach them.
LuciusAR wrote:
Because it wasn't a 'hack' in the traditional sense...
That actually *is* hacking. Its basic reconnaissance and equivalent to port knocking. SQL injections are just one vector - as much as a steganographic command buried in a .jpg attack Cheap shots work just as well as real work.
As for boycotting - of all the stupid things America's done, Scotland can get a pass.
Kilting it Macleod and macpreod!
Can we boycott the constant Scottish pissing and moaning about all things American and how we have boo-hoo victimized them? Or can you not boycott something that is free? Because I could do with less of that in my life.
whatwhat wrote:For every one reason an American can think up to boycott Scotish product I can think of ten reasons for a scotsman to boycott American products.
Again, dumb.
Don't forget all of those great Scottish inventions that we're fond of. The telephone, some soup (fething traitorous bitches those Campbells they are), some other stuff...that I can't think of, but remember a book being written about it..
whatwhat wrote:For every one reason an American can think up to boycott Scotish product I can think of ten reasons for a scotsman to boycott American products.
Again, dumb.
Don't forget all of those great Scottish inventions that we're fond of. The telephone, some soup (fething traitorous bitches those Campbells they are), some other stuff...that I can't think of, but remember a book being written about it..
(I'm a Donald)
Hmm. Let's see!
1. Television (combine this with Tellingbones, and we pretty much invented the Interwebs too) 2. Tarmacadam, hence all modern roads. 3. The Pneumatic Tyre, allowing us to drive fasterer and fasterer 4. The Breachloading Rifle. Say thank you America 5. US Navy (go on, Boycott that, for no more reason that it'll be good for a laugh to see how it's done) 6. Beating up the English. WORLD FIRST! 7. Hurling. Like Hockey, but not as girly. 8. The Mackintosh water proof garment. Hold on, it never rains in Texas....bah. 9. Loads of other cool stuff.
Oh, and 'Clan' Tartans aren't a Scottish invention. Once upon a time, you just dyed the cloth with whatever was handy. So usually Beer and Wimmin.
Hmm... I would argue that the "modern" America we see now is pretty different from anything that anyone who was British really had a hand in. I would suggest that, occasionally, here and there over the years, the American people themselves might have had a hand in it somewhere.
An obese hand in all likelihood true enough, but...
I like where this thread has gone. It continues to be made of haggis boycotting win. I am saddened that no one has shown proof of the impressiveness of scottish maidens though. So sad...
being a moderate, I'll continue my boycott of haggis and scotch, but I will continue to support the Maine highland games. http://www.mainehighlandgames.org/
Frazzled wrote:Wait wha? Northern Ireland is not Ireland? wha?
No we still need liberated from our English oppressors...without Thomas Washington, Peter Parker and George Jefferson we're screwed. Sigh. I wish we could break free of those chains.
Frazzled wrote:Wait wha? Northern Ireland is not Ireland? wha?
/FACEPALM
1. Facepalm for what? Sorry, but my back yard is larger than the British Isles, whats the dealeeyoo?
2. Thats not a facepalm. Do it right!
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Frazzled wrote:Wait wha? Northern Ireland is not Ireland? wha?
No we still need liberated from our English oppressors...without Thomas Washington, Peter Parker and George Jefferson we're screwed. Sigh. I wish we could break free of those chains.
wait so it the island of Ireland right-all "irelands" are on the same landmass correct?
C'mon Frazzled, you've heard of the IRA, the UDA, 'The Troubles', Ulster, Orangemen, Sinn Féin, the events of Bloody Sunday?
Really didn't know about the division of Ireland, the mostly protestant North still retained as part of Great Britain?
I'm not taking a shot mate, that's just surprising considering your interest in politics and world events, the ongoing problems there have occupied the public eye on many occasions and America has often mediated, interceeded and found it's self involved.
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halonachos wrote:We must go one step further and boycott england for preventative measure.
...Are you including Cornwall in that.../twitch
I am including everything on that island, I am also going to include northern Ireland. I will wait to see if boycotting the rest of the Ireland Isle is necessary as well.
The Cornish Nation hereby withdraws your pasty privileges. Neither Fairings nor Saffron cake, Heavy cake nor StarryGazey Pie will you know from now until the ends of time.
Playing hardball eh, then I am forced to include Ireland in that boycott. All of canada except for quebec is next if you keep this up, and don't even think I will not boycott portions of the caribbean.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:C'mon Frazzled, you've heard of the IRA, the UDA, 'The Troubles', Ulster, Orangemen, Sinn Féin, the events of Bloody Sunday?
Really didn't know about the division of Ireland, the mostly protestant North still retained as part of Great Britain?
I'm not taking a shot mate, that's just surprising considering your interest in politics and world events, the ongoing problems there have occupied the public eye on many occasions and America has often mediated, interceeded and found it's self involved.
I knew all of that, but got confused that the North Ireland we were talking about was not part of the the island of Ireland. I'm used to contiguous states and that threw me.
Fried foods are more a British Isles love...but if anything NI prefers them, while Scotland prefers the Deep-Fried variety, including the humble Mars bar.
Gravy...IMO that's more an English thing, for the sheep they steal from the Welsh, and the pies from the Cornish.
I'm kidding, the Cornish aren't and have never been a nation.
The only beers I can drink are Carlsberg and Miller. That said, I keep meaning to try Fosters, but just haven't. It's a waste of money to buy a drink I might not like, when I could have vodka.
Elessar wrote:The only beers I can drink are Carlsberg and Miller. That said, I keep meaning to try Fosters, but just haven't. It's a waste of money to buy a drink I might not like, when I could have vodka.
Fosters tastes pretty much the same as Carlsberg and Miller. And every other lager on the planet. That stuff is full of absaloute rubbish btw. I'd rather drink guiness than that.
Elessar wrote:I'm kidding, the Cornish aren't and have never been a nation.
Kiss my arse
The kingdom of Cornwall was at war with Wessex before there was a nation called England. Our borders stretched as far as Bristol at one stage.
Dark and Middle Ages The Kingdom of Cornwall began to emerge in the sub-Roman era. Modern Cornwall finds itself in territory which included the tribes known to the Romans as the Dumnonii and later the Cornovii – mentioned in the Ravenna Cosmography. The Kingdom of Cornwall emerged from the "shadowy", semi-legendary Kingdom of Dumnonia around the 6th century AD.[36].
The power vacuum left by the Roman abandonment of Britannia led to the formation of petty kingdoms. This was also the period of the Anglo-Saxon settlement of England. This brought the native Britons or Romano-Britons into conflict with the Anglo-Saxons. In 577 The Battle of Deorham near Bristol resulted in the separation of the West Welsh (i.e. the Cornish) from the Welsh- the two peoples effectively cut off by a Saxon wedge driven between them. The period is marked by a series of conflicts between Wessex and the Dumnonian/Cornish kingdom. The territory under Brythonic control gradually receded in the wake of the Saxon advance. In 927, according to William of Malmesbury who was writing c1120, Athelstan the king of Wessex evicted the "Cornish" from Exeter and perhaps the rest of Devon: "Exeter was cleansed of its defilement by wiping out that filthy race".[37][page needed] A key moment in the history of the Cornish people was in 936 when Athelstan set the border between Cornwall and England at the east bank of the River Tamar, thus defining the approximate modern area of Cornwall.[38]
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The kingdom of Cornwall was at war with Wessex before there was a nation called England. Our borders stretched as far as Bristol at one stage.
For the benefit of our overseas readers, that's about as far as from the botom of your stairs to your front door.
I believe you serve burgers larger than this area.
Besides, any fule kno' Mark of Cornwall swore fealty to Arthur and therefore Cornwall is as integrated into the Uk as the other bothersom...errrr valued partners in or country.
All this talk of beer makes me realize, I can't boycott Ireland(the lower portions) so in its place I am boycotting all of australia except for steve irwin because he was cool may he rest in peace.
Besides, any fule kno' Mark of Cornwall swore fealty to Arthur and therefore Cornwall is as integrated into the Uk as the other bothersom...errrr valued partners in or country.
In Arthur of the Britons, Mark of Cornwall was played by BRIAN BLESSSSSED, I believe this a further sign of the BLESSSSSED one's divinity.
(other interesting Brian Blessed facts include: He is a lifelong friend with Patrick Steward, He was the voice of Admiral Constantine in WH40K Firewarrior).
Back to it though, Arthur was a Briton, since you lot are Saxon, all bets are off.
halonachos wrote:All this talk of beer makes me realize, I can't boycott Ireland(the lower portions) so in its place I am boycotting all of australia except for steve irwin because he was cool may he rest in peace.
Dude! Just boycott France. Everyone else does.
Why boycott France?
1. It's France.
And I don't need to supply any more reasons because the first was so awesome.
halonachos wrote:The guy was a hacker who hacked US military and NASA information and may have deleted some crucial information. Not only that but it cost about $700,000 to find and repair the issues.
He shut down a navy base and left messages on the machines. like this one:
"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”
The guy attacked the US government and the US government is fighting back. Oh he has aspergers, big deal, I work with people who have aspergers and they can function normally in society.
In order for there to be grounds for an extradition McKinnon must have caused $5000 or more or damage or loss at any one offense or caused bodily harm. So the DoD upgrade costs to account 5K for every computer.
Its a case of wounded pride for the US military thats all. there was an Israeli citizen doing much more, Israel refused to extratide him and the US backed down. McKinnons case is an example of the New Laba' regime bending over backwards, being the self interested spinless little feths they are.
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whatwhat wrote:Again, the aspergers issue wasn't the point. The point was the US has declared he will be punished for drawing out the extradition process, i.e. punishing him for exercising his right to an appeal.
You said it yourself...
LuciusAR wrote:The really Inronic thing is that has he cooperated in the first place his sentence would now long be over and he would be home a free man.
I agree that Aspergers shoulsd not have been used as the public defence. There are far better points to raise, such as the insistance that McKinnon did 5k damage per computer. There is no evidence for that, he hacked into the computers and left messages, he didnt blow them up. The totals are indicative that there is good evidence to suspect that the charges against him have been balooned, and thus he will not get a fair trial. That alone is good grounds for dismissal.
That is plain to any lawyer not under government dictat to bend over and give the Americans what they want. Which is pretty much what Brown/Blair have been doing time and again since 97.
Funnily enough the septics used the 'unfair trial' excuse, based mainly on race fear, not to extradite known IRA terrorists who has escaped from prison. The hypocrasy is sickening, especially regarding this weeks events.
Frazzled wrote:Can't do the time don't do the crime.
What crime, to what time? Its would be like giving you 6 years for jaywalking, you would complain even if the case stuck.
Elessar wrote:
Gravy...IMO that's more an English thing, for the sheep they steal from the Welsh, and the pies from the Cornish.
I'm kidding, the Cornish aren't and have never been a nation.
From my experience with British people, Wales doesn't matter either. Ever since the Statute of Rhudland they have ceased to matter. The whole crowning of the Prince of Wales was a big you to the Welsh anyway. I have heard from both Englishmen and Scotsmen that the sheep are more valuable than the people of Wales. As one old Scottish gentlemen told me on a train in Glasgow, "There's two things lad that you can't tell a Welshman: First that they don't matter, but they really don't, and second that they can't play rugby, but they really can't."
JEB_Stuart wrote:From my experience with British people, Wales doesn't matter either. Ever since the Statute of Rhudland they have ceased to matter. The whole crowning of the Prince of Wales was a big you to the Welsh anyway. I have heard from both Englishmen and Scotsmen that the sheep are more valuable than the people of Wales. As one old Scottish gentlemen told me on a train in Glasgow, "There's two things lad that you can't tell a Welshman: First that they don't matter, but they really don't, and second that they can't play rugby, but they really can't."
Welcome to my gak list.
I may not be Welsh but I recognise my celtic brothers identity as a nation and a people. Just as I understand the identity of Tibet.
You do not have a grasp on the facts. Your national identity is a couple of centuries old, ours are thousands of years of history, my people were mining tin and trading with the phoenicians when Rome was a mud hut village on the Palantine Hill.
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Actually, one of the people I was referring to was my British history professor from the West End who was educated at King's College. I wouldn't really consider him a lower class bigot, now the older Scottish gentlemen...maybe...And lets be honest, they were both probably joking, as was I...I don't really see how offensive this could be....
Welsh people are part of the nation as a whole in the same manner as surviving Native Americans are US citizens, Burgundians are French etc. and established before either case.
It might have been unjust when it happened, but to sever that Union out of 'fairness' would entail cause to call for the dismantling of the overwhleming majority of nation states on earth. Should Americans 'go home' to whichever parts of Africa or Europe they came from?
There is no terrorism, the most you get is a bit of banter over sporting occassions.
Welsh-English rivalry is somerthing best left unstirred because there is no hatred, baring the odd nutcase, no oppression, just one nation state. If a decent man from Wales rose up to be Prime Minister the vast majority of Englishmen would not have a moments problem with his identity. Kinnock was Welsh, he was Labour party leader before Blair, he was defeated quite narrowly in the polls - and the fact that he was Welsh made not a jot of difference to English voters, even amongst his opponents.
There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.
If you trace my family far back enough, I'm technically descended from King Alfred the Great. What's even funnier is that my ancestors, and his descendants were scottish nobility for a time. We even got a coat of arms.
Orlanth wrote:There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.
to be fair as much as I agreed with the first part of your essay write up there that part sounds like you've made it up yourself. I not only work up there a hell of a lot but I have family up there as well, who were originally from england also. Yes I get the odd bit of banter, yes I get digged at for liking cricket from time to time. But no, the majority of Scots I have met do not hold opinions towards the english which I would liken to "racism."
The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.
Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.
Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.
Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.
When Nataly Holloway went missing I remember the governor of the state she came from demanding that all Americans should boycott the Netherlands for something that happened in a country that was once a colony.
Can't we just boycott retards instead? Or take them out behind the shed and shoot them?
Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.
Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.
Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.
Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.
Orlanth wrote:There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.
to be fair as much as I agreed with the first part of your essay write up there that part sounds like you've made it up yourself. I not only work up there a hell of a lot but I have family up there as well, who were originally from england also. Yes I get the odd bit of banter, yes I get digged at for liking cricket from time to time. But no, the majority of Scots I have met do not hold opinions towards the english which I would liken to "racism."
Which part of Scotland may I ask. Edinburgh, Stirling and most of SE Scotland is fairly safe for English. Remember the old joke Q. Why is Glasgow fuill of drunks and Edinburgh full of English. A. Glasgow got first pick.
I have a close (English) friend in Glasgow and it can get dicey with the neds.
I have family in Aberdeen who get on well with the majority but do see some resentment that is racism from an increasing minority who will not accept having an Englishman in public office, even if elected by Scottish constituents. And no they are not Tory. According to them there is a trend which shows this sentiment is slowly spreading.
Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.
Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.
To be fair to Elessar ther struggle itself is dead. Plaid Cymru is not a terror group or supporter of terror groups, there is no Welsh terror movement struggling for independance. Welsh nationalism is a romantic concept nothing more, it may one day happen, but Wales is already 'free' because Welsh are not in any way discriminated and have not been for many centuries. Being English is no advantage over them per se.
Orlanth wrote:
To be fair to Elessar ther struggle itself is dead. Plaid Cymru is not a terror group or supporter of terror groups, there is no Welsh terror movement struggling for independance. Welsh nationalism is a romantic concept nothing more, it may one day happen, but Wales is already 'free' because Welsh are not in any way discriminated and have not been for many centuries. Being English is no advantage over them per se.
Orlanth wrote:There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.
to be fair as much as I agreed with the first part of your essay write up there that part sounds like you've made it up yourself. I not only work up there a hell of a lot but I have family up there as well, who were originally from england also. Yes I get the odd bit of banter, yes I get digged at for liking cricket from time to time. But no, the majority of Scots I have met do not hold opinions towards the english which I would liken to "racism."
Which part of Scotland may I ask. Edinburgh, Stirling and most of SE Scotland is fairly safe for English. Remember the old joke Q. Why is Glasgow fuill of drunks and Edinburgh full of English. A. Glasgow got first pick.
I have a close (English) friend in Glasgow and it can get dicey with the neds.
I have family in Aberdeen who get on well with the majority but do see some resentment that is racism from an increasing minority who will not accept having an Englishman in public office, even if elected by Scottish constituents. And no they are not Tory. According to them there is a trend which shows this sentiment is slowly spreading.
I have family in aberdeenshire and I often work in dumfriesshire. The minority who will take it to that level are just underclass biggots, if he wasn't English they'd probably just find something else to start a fight about. Most people I meet up there are absolutely fine, very friendly people. There is also a sense that a lot of them are proud to be scottish, I work in a design studio for example and we often get requests from Scottish clients to add a thistle, use rangers colours etc. But being proud to be scottish is a totally different thing to what you and whoever you are talking to are making them out to be.
As a matter of fact I know (of) people in newcastle and carlisle who start fights on a friday night with someone if they live in a different district of the same city to them. They're just idiots, they are everywhere. Not just in scotland.
A while back in newcastle some of the same idiots strapped a kid to a park bench and wired a car battery up to it because he was wearing a sunderland shirt. Newcastle, a place often touted in the media as the friendliest city in britian. And it is a friendly city. It's just, as I say, the idiots. You get them everywhere.
Some of the funniest gak I ever saw was a bunch of Americans being asked to find Iraq and North Korea on a map, and pointing to all over the fething place. It's a sad fact that so many of your people are that stupid/ignorant.
I'm not saying it's a greater proportion, necessarily, but it's certainly more raw bodies than the UK.
I would guess this is what you were thinking of, Elessar:
It is rather entertaining to watch. Obviously it's set up and edited to make Americans seem as dumb as possible, but it's still embarrassing that anyone is as stupid as some of these guys...
England 50,346 square miles
Wales 8,022 square miles
Scotland 30,414 square miles
Northern Ireland 5,345 square miles
The United Kingdom 94,526 square miles
Republic of Ireland 27,133 square miles
For comparison
Rhode Island 1,545 square miles
Virginia 42,774 square miles
Texas 268,820 square miles
Alaska 663,268 square miles
Elessar wrote:Some of the funniest gak I ever saw was a bunch of Americans being asked to find Iraq and North Korea on a map, and pointing to all over the fething place. It's a sad fact that so many of your people are that stupid/ignorant.
I'm not saying it's a greater proportion, necessarily, but it's certainly more raw bodies than the UK.
Back in high school there was a German exchange student I was trying to make a move on. Unfortunately she didn't think too highly of Americans and it didn't help when the dude behind her kept throwing up the "heil" salute and the girl next to her asked who the current king of Germany was.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, for what its worth, I only ever took ONE class that I can recall where I studied world maps. That was... 9 years ago? I'm pretty good as far as Europe and Asia go, but if you give me a map of Africa, Ill be able to point out South Africa, Egypt, and Ethiopia, and that's about it.
Im pretty sure the main reason I can locate European countries on a globe is because Ive played so many world domination strategy games. Sure as hell wasn't because of school.
Yeah, Africa's hard. They just drew lines across it a lot of the time to divide it up. You don't have a big one like China or the Mediterranean Sea to use as a starting point.
Still, you should at least know your goddamn continents.
But!
British beer is generally far superiour to guinness. Wrassler's XXXX stout on the other hand is the king of beers, and it has The Big Fella on it.
Orkeosaurus wrote:I would guess this is what you were thinking of, Elessar:
It is rather entertaining to watch. Obviously it's set up and edited to make Americans seem as dumb as possible, but it's still embarrassing that anyone is as stupid as some of these guys...
Well you can pick an audience like that anywhere. I remember stumbling onto a game show on TV one day and stopping wild eyed while this bikini ditz failed to recite the alphabet.
As a rule Aussies do like to take the piss out of Yanks on this level though. In some ways Australians and Americans are seen as broadly similar, so the Aussies like to imply that the principle difference is in the IQ.
I don't even think it was really in school I learnt, but a few months ago I was challenged to name as many countries as I could. I got to almost a hundred in the 7 minute limit. I was pretty pleased, until I realised how many of the easy ones I'd missed. lol
and macpreod!
you to the Welsh anyway. I have heard from both Englishmen and Scotsmen that the sheep are more valuable than the people of Wales. 
As one old Scottish gentlemen told me on a train in Glasgow, "There's two things lad that you can't tell a Welshman: First that they don't matter, but they really don't, and second that they can't play rugby, but they really can't." 
It isn't my fault this is the only exposure to British attitudes towards the Welsh! 