In response to the rapid degeneration of another thread, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/253939.page ,
tell us at dakka what your vices are. Be it food, an activity, some sort of chemical *alchohol cough cough* or whatever, post it. ANd try not to judge other peoples.

Mine is nice and simple : enough alcohol to get a buzz, and the feeling of revenge I get when I piss of my brother by listening to rock really loudly.

And yes, I know, this thread is pretty much assured to get locked.

I'm way too caring and compassionate.

My vices are rapidly disapearing.
In the past I drank way to much,smoked,messed around with various drugs,chased women,and would fight at the drop of a hat.
Now I drink on occasion and smoke,guess I'm getting boring in my "old age".

I don't drink or smoke but I do vaporize marijuana, helps out my injury not to mention that its just an overall grand time if you don't have any upcoming drug tests. At my tolerance level it doesn't do much in the way of impairment either.

So you do smoke. You smoke marijuana?
OT but did you see where Mexico is decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana?

I'm lazy as hell.

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I drink beer and spend way too much money on miniatures. I also procrastinate like a melon-fether.

Frazzled wrote:So you do smoke. You smoke marijuana?
OT but did you see where Mexico is decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana?

I'm going to sound like its infomercial now, but I don't smoke the sweetness I vaporize it. Its a process where:

When you heat organic matter to combustion, carcinogens, tar, and other toxins are released along with the active ingredient and inhaled as smoke. The temperatures used to burn material are far greater than necessary to release the active ingredients, and in some cases, the higher temperature can destroy the desired compounds.

The Volcano Vaporizer gently heats plant matter to the point where the active ingredients and flavors are vaporized, but before combustion. The result is a purer, safer vapor without the tar, toxins and heavy odor associated with traditional smoking. Vaporization is the healthier, cleaner alternative to smoking.

http://www.thevolcanovaporizer.com/vapor-vs-smoke/

As for Mexico my brother told me about that, IIRC they legalized small amounts of harder drugs as well. The USA isn't too far behind if Californians and Denver-inians are any indication though!

Chocolate. You have no idea.

Cigarettes
"Forum Chatter" as Malfred says
MMOs

Coke Zero
Chocolate

Boobies, plastic kits and the good life.

Volcano Tacos. I have at least 7 a week. AT LEAST.



I'm also bad at taking things seriously sometimes. I can grasp the gravity of a situation without taking a serious tone, which makes a lot of people think I just don't give a damn.

I like spicy food too much for my own good.

Food, booze, pot, mini's and math.

Fizzywig wrote:Food, booze, pot, mini's and math.

Math is a vice?

I used to be a very very bad lad for a variety of reasons, I am mostly just a bit unhealthy now due to the occasional beer mission and not getting enough exercise working in an office.

Slutty chicks.

I used to think a night out was pretty empty without some mdma or cocaine. I remember some times sitting in a toilet cubicle in a club until I heard a drug deal at which point I would emerge and just "happen upon them" asking for some of whatever they were selling. Never much liked weed as it made me unproductive and quiet (unlike a lot of my friends who are still mucking around with that stuff while the rest of their life continues to progress nowhere at all.) But yeh, over all that now.

Don't even drink much anymore but I do smoke.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm lazy as hell.

same

Well... my only vice is the fact that I just cannot pass up a look at a gorgeous woman... this is about the only thing I should work on. Smoking is bad and all, but walking into poles because of the nicest shapes in the universe... is just not okay.



Are those binoculars or are you about to mace me . Come to think of it, I have never met a guy that had been maced by a chick. I would think it would be a very common occurrence. Some ladies get extremely angry when you gawk... at their gorgeousness... and most of the others are just way to available for my tastes .

I love Coke, not the drug.

I have alteast one can a day for the last three years.
Doesnt sound bad but it can be pretty damn unhealthy.

In my school, people sell stuff to make profit, for example:


A five pack of mars bars is £1. Sell them 50p each in school and you've made £1.50 profit. Buy 25 mars bars thats £12.50 But £5 of that goes towards the nexts days stock and you make £7.50 profit. Some people at my school make up to a £100 a weak.

Edit: For everyone who was wondering, I dont drink THAT much. I go camping like once every month or two on a weekend and get drunk as do alot of teens. Well there a fair amount in the UK anyway.

Khornholio wrote:Slutty chicks.

Winner.

I drink every night, and smoke ciggarettes. I'm also a sucker for porn. I dropped all my other "habits" and want to stop smoking next, but I'd like to think I could still drink a six pack in one sitting 60 years from now (without peeing my pants.) Speaking of Frazzled...

1:warhammer 40k(havent done anything im thinking of taking a hiatus till i can drive to play the games)
2:world of warcraft(sometimes this leaves me more stressrd
3 masterbatian

I'm working on getting over my main vice.

After hearing concerns from a psychologist (yes, they were treating me at the time) that I was addicted to the video-games, I relegated it to be like my drinking. By which I mean never alone, and occasionally to excess.

I'm a work-aholic. I used to do pot, but I dont have money for it any more. I also like to argue with people. A lot. I've been thrown out of class for arguing with my professors. (well, only one class, most of them like it, or dont ask for audience participation.)

I used to be kind of a slut, but I got scared shitless that I had gotten pregnant and pretty much haven't taken my panties off since (ok, gross, but you get the point)

Booze and comic books.

In order of consumption:
Chillies
Beer/Wine
Curries
Devlan Mud

Mmmmm Devlan Mud.

Boobies, food real Coke cant have it any more it has switched to coke zero boobies, food, miniatures, forgeworld, dakka dakka, and the fail thread in the pit. Oh and boobies and food.

caffeine
alcohol
electronics
research
charcuterie
cheese

Alcohol! Also food, smoking, more alcohol, and I am slightly snobby, but mostly about alcohol. I also spend more time reading and on my computer than I do with real people...yay for the internet!

Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

I know about ten dealers and about twenty people who will share weed with me

Good thing about being an ex-stoner.

Its incredibly easy to sell weed and not get caught. If the dealers round you are getting caught there gak.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Its incredibly easy to sell weed and not get caught.

It is incredibly in YOUR AREA. Maybe not in her area. Weed prices, laws, and strictness of police vary from state to state, in my home state I would pay wildly varying prices depending on what area of the state I was in, in the capital it was like $50 for 1/8, but in my home city, an hour's drive away, it was $80, and we're on the low end of harshness for pot laws. Maybe in cali or NY it would be easy to sell and not get caught, but here, in this redneck state, it is much harder. Don't judge based on what you experienced in your state.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Trust me on this: stay the hell away from the stuff. Watch porn, get drunk, but don't go near weed. I've known people who've done extremely stupid things (i.e. drowning and falling down stairs) while stoned. My dad did for 24 years and really fethed him over. He explained to me once how he thought he wouldn't get addicted, but that proved to be a bad assumption. That was about a year before he died (not from doing pot though, but it certainly helped).

Weed can feth you up Big time. But it seems like most people have atleast tried it some times in there lifes. But there are worse drugs out there.

We could start a whole new thread on weed. I'm in the camp of people who believe the doctors and scientists when they say that weed is not addictive. And as an ex user I can say from experience that weed is the most harmless of drugs. Caffeine is a thousand times more addictive, and imho much worse for your body (in soda form) than weed.

I respect your experience with your father, and I know some burn outs who's lives are pretty frakked up. But I think it has more to do with their weak and lazy personalities being enhanced by pot, rather than weed causing some drastic change in personality.


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Cheese Elemental wrote: Watch porn, get drunk, but don't go near weed.

Would you seriously recommend getting drunk instead of smoking pot? Nobody ever got stoned and went on a violent rampage. Thousands of people don't die every year because they smoked a joint and drove a car. New studies have been released that show being high can actually increase drivers attention to the road. I will have to search for the links, but I can prvide them if you'd like to see.

As for porn, well my MR. was never sore after a night of bong-ripping.

Sorry, I tend to get a bit angry when talking about drugs. To be honest, my main problem with it is that I can't understand why on earth you'd do it for pleasure. There are far more pleasurable things to do that are also less harmful. If you're stressed, then there are better ways of relaxing. Weed is the loser's way out.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Sorry, I tend to get a bit angry when talking about drugs. To be honest, my main problem with it is that I can't understand why on earth you'd do it for pleasure. There are far more pleasurable things to do that are also less harmful. If you're stressed, then there are better ways of relaxing. Weed is the loser's way out.

Im guessing you've never been stoned? Its hard to understand into you tried it and the exprience can help you make the mistake of doing weed for a short period in a worse time in your life.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Trust me on this: stay the hell away from the stuff. Watch porn, get drunk, but don't go near weed. I've known people who've done extremely stupid things (i.e. drowning and falling down stairs) while stoned. My dad did for 24 years and really fethed him over. He explained to me once how he thought he wouldn't get addicted, but that proved to be a bad assumption. That was about a year before he died (not from doing pot though, but it certainly helped).

I used to live in a crack house type joint where I'd have to step over the bodies of stoners and drunks to get to my apartment. This was during a low point in my life when I needed a cheap rent, but I didn't do drugs or drink. For that reason I was thought to be some kind of undercover cop, so no one really screwed with me, but I saw enough living while there a few months to know that more than a few of the people in that place started out from fairly well to do families.
People would be brewing meth in their apartments and there was always somebody having a crack party. It was a fairly messed up crew and I wouldn't be surprised to find out more than half are dead now. I found from talking with the people there a lot of them started out on weed and got into progressively harder stuff as time went on either using in for a penny logic or looking to try something stronger.

I used to have a problem with booze. But after my kidney failure I weaned myself down to the occasional dark beer.

Right now is is procrastination. I have a plan to so something about it later.

I have also seen some good friends and family have their lives destroyed by meth. It's a horrible drug, and to see the addiction completely take over their lives was one of the hardest things.
I would say that smoking weed does not automatically make you want to try harder stuff, more so that the people and places you go to score/smoke pot will also have something else available. And if you are already inclined to "expand" your mind and try illicit drugs then you will do so, and weed has less to do with it than your own inclinations.

@cheese I agree with you, it can be a waste of time, and when you count in the possibility of losing a job over a popped piss test it's not worth the effort. I smoked every day for 2 years, until I realized that I had better sh*t to do than be high all day. I don't hold anything against smokers, but I do expect them to have their lives together before they go and spend money on the herb.

I do understand why teenagers would try it, as that's part of experimenting with new things, same as drinking and whatnot (except for the people who get hooked). I tried a cigarette once, and couldn't handle how bad it tasted, and I tried weed once, but I felt horrible afterwards (both physically and mentally) and I wanted to kick myself for being that stupid.

I will just add to this that there are many people who use drugs illegal in this country who hold down jobs, relationships and pay mortgages. I know a large number of drug users and I think perhaps there are two things worth mentioning, they do so in moderation and they do so discreetly. The idea that anyone smoking a joint will descend into junkie hell is the sort of ill educated 'reefer madness' bullcrap we all laugh about on this site when used in reference to DnD and satanism/teen suicide.
Also Folks please don't hang yourselves out to dry by continuing to discuss your personal habits or get into further epeenage with talks about who you know or how much you take, it makes you sound immature and you're going to do the site's rep harm.
So keep the discussion to hypotheticals...remember your IP address can be traced.

Moderation, Education and Discretion.

Before you can say Moms Against Dakka there will be some crank saying this site is encouraging drug use and Yakface is some kind of cyberdealer...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I will just add to this that there are many people who use drugs illegal in this country who hold down jobs, relationships and pay mortgages. I know a large number of drug users and I think perhaps there are two things worth mentioning, they do so in moderation and they do so discreetly. The idea that anyone smoking a joint will descend into junkie hell is the sort of ill educated 'reefer madness' bullcrap we all laugh about on this site when used in reference to DnD and satanism/teen suicide.
Also Folks please don't hang yourselves out to dry by continuing to discuss your personal habits or get into further epeenage with talks about who you know or how much you take, it makes you sound immature and you're going to do the site's rep harm.
So keep the discussion to hypotheticals...remember your IP address can be traced.

Moderation, Education and Discretion.

Before you can say Moms Against Dakka there will be some crank saying this site is encouraging drug use and Yakface is some kind of cyberdealer...

Do they do hard stuff like cocaine and heroin, which are highly addictive and have serious side-effects? It's well-known that weed is relatively harmless, but it's still not good for you and can often lead to harder substances.

Heroin and cocaine are not on the same scale really, heroin and crack cocaine are. There is a sizeable degree of separation between cocaine and crack cocaine. Cocaine use for the drinking and clubbing set is actually incredibly high.

See, if I find out about someone doing weed (usually someone at school), I'm not going to go apeshit on them. With luck they won't get hooked on the stuff since the dangers of drugs are more obvious nowadays, but if I hear anything about crack or heroin, or someone actually growing weed, then that's a 000-call and a visit from the police, sorry.

Cheese Elemental wrote:See, if I find out about someone doing weed (usually someone at school), I'm not going to go apeshit on them. With luck they won't get hooked on the stuff since the dangers of drugs are more obvious nowadays, but if I hear anything about crack or heroin, or someone actually growing weed, then that's a 000-call and a visit from the police, sorry.

That's the age difference Cheesy, you're talking about kids at school (no offence). I'd be concerned about their use of weed or alcohol and extremely concerned about them using cocaine and yes, I'd probably contact social services to intervene for all three.

Now what I am saying is, that I know people in my life, folks from mid 20s to early 40s, who use recreational drugs, they don't do it all the time and they are already;

Adults
Moderate/calm personalities
Educated on what they are doing and the effects
In a situation with friends who they can trust
Know their supplier
Do not use large amounts

So, yes weed can be potentially very harmful, cocaine certainly, but as someone who grew up in a house with an alcoholic and abusive parent, I can tell you so can booze and we sell that stuff over the counters of supermarkets, yet society hasn't collapsed in on it's self. All these things are toxins, they are poisons. So putting them into your body is dangerous, putting them into your body in larger amounts is very dangerous.

So, again I'll say this, Education, moderation and discretion. The Just Say No campaign was not successful here, people will always look to 'get high' and shrug off their cares and woes, for as long as people have cares and woes. If we understand that this is going to happen, then it is better to say this; be with people who you trust, don't do too much, don't do too often and be careful who you get things from.

I remember the "Just Say No" campaign, what a joke. Even in elementary school I remember thinking to myself that I was definitely going to at least try drugs to see what all the fuss was about. Same thing with sex, when all my friends in church were wearing "promise rings" and feeling guilty about masturbation I already knew what I was going to do, and didn't bother making a false promise. I suppose it goes without saying that I am a fairly strong agnostic now.

@MeanGreen you hit it on the head, I couldn't agree more. Some people can handle moderation, and some people are complete numbskulls who frakk it up for everybody.

Call 999 if there doing cocaine or Heroine? Yes
Doing weed? No
Growing weed? No, I dont want to get my head kicked in.

All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Somewhat misleading since most drugs bought in the US of A are made by your fellow Americans at the comfort of their own homes.

Cane wrote:

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Somewhat misleading since most drugs bought in the US of A are made by your fellow Americans at the comfort of their own homes.

I know enough people from TJ and other border Mexican towns to have learned that there are enough drugs coming in from Mexico to make your point moot. What percentage of the whole is "most" anyway?
As far as the home brewed angle goes, how about the killings that go on between gangs over selling of drugs? It's a habit that still supports murder.

Relapse wrote:
As far as the home brewed angle goes, how about the killings that go on between gangs over selling of drugs? It's a habit that still supports murder.

In the case of my friend who smokes the most, it's a habit that supports his elderly neighbour's attic 'plantation', the only violence that guy gets up to is shouting at the evening news...

Relapse wrote:

Cane wrote:

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Somewhat misleading since most drugs bought in the US of A are made by your fellow Americans at the comfort of their own homes.

I know enough people from TJ and other border Mexican towns to have learned that there are enough drugs coming in from Mexico to make your point moot. What percentage of the whole is "most" anyway?
As far as the home brewed angle goes, how about the killings that go on between gangs over selling of drugs? It's a habit that still supports murder.

Here are my facts/numbers/argument feel free to present yours if you want to continue:

According to US Government estimates domestic marijuana production has increased ten
fold over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric
tons (22 million pounds) in 2006. The ongoing proliferation of marijuana cultivation places it
beyond the scope of law enforcement capabilities to control and reduce the availability of
marijuana to teenagers and young children under existing public policy.
Using conservative price estimates derived from federal surveys, domestic marijuana
production has a value of $35.8 billion, more than corn and wheat combined, easily making it
America’s largest and most lucrative cash crop.
Based on production estimates derived from marijuana eradication efforts from 2003 to
2005 marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one
of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in
Alabama, larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in
Georgia, larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina, larger than Hay,
Tobacco, Corn and Soybeans combined in Kentucky, and larger than the top ten crops combined
(Soybeans, Hay, Cotton, Corn,

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf

Oh, buy from Wal Mart or pay taxes much? They all go towards exploiting and killing people (not so much the former on this part but definitely the latter).

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

I saw a bumper sticker once that said "Buy Drugs, Support the CIA," sadly it's fairly accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking When the cia/contra story was being investigated by the San Jose Mecury News, the reporters were allegedly threatened multiple times by so called government "black hats" and the paper was told not to run the piece. They finally did run a much edited version, but the facts are still available for those willing to dig a bit.

Hell, heroin exports from Afgahnistan tripled since we invaded, and "asserted control."

As for mexico, that country is messed up in a huge way. It's like 1920's corruption times a million, and they buy most of their guns from us.

Illegal drugs, and cartels are seriously destructive, but don't buy the line that just because you're buying some weed you are somehow supporting terrorists. Our governments do just as much damage to their own people, and if you follow the money it almost always leads to some fatcat who is supposed to be looking out for the working man.


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Cane wrote:
Oh, buy from Wal Mart or pay taxes much? They all go towards exploiting and killing people (not so much the former on this part but definitely the latter).

QFT Don't get me started on wal-mart

Kay, I'm gonna clear some things up for those confused about my intentions. I would never, ever try meth, crack cocaine, or heroin. I'm not (that) stupid.
But weed, and perhaps acid, is as far as I'll go.

Also, anybody seen Super High Me ? Pretty good movie, and really gave em some insight on how to suceed as a comedian. (Get high alot.)

Yea I was fortune enough to see Doug Benson's standup at my college; he was freaking hilarious and I suggest checking it out if you get the opportunity. The movie was great entertainment and informative but definitely low budget.

Cane wrote:

Here are my facts/numbers/argument feel free to present yours if you want to continue:

According to US Government estimates domestic marijuana production has increased ten
fold over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric
tons (22 million pounds) in 2006. The ongoing proliferation of marijuana cultivation places it
beyond the scope of law enforcement capabilities to control and reduce the availability of
marijuana to teenagers and young children under existing public policy.
Using conservative price estimates derived from federal surveys, domestic marijuana
production has a value of $35.8 billion, more than corn and wheat combined, easily making it
America’s largest and most lucrative cash crop.
Based on production estimates derived from marijuana eradication efforts from 2003 to
2005 marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one
of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in
Alabama, larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in
Georgia, larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina, larger than Hay,
Tobacco, Corn and Soybeans combined in Kentucky, and larger than the top ten crops combined
(Soybeans, Hay, Cotton, Corn,

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf

Oh, buy from Wal Mart or pay taxes much? They all go towards exploiting and killing people (not so much the former on this part but definitely the latter).

That still doesn't answer the question as to what percentage of illeagal drugs home grown takes in. I also notice there's no mention of Cocain or Heroin. Probably because of the fact that they aren't home grown.
How many of the places where pot is grown don't make it worth your life to be around since you'd probably end up dead if you were caught there? I know it's a hazard campers and hikers run in certain areas.
The Wal Mart and taxes argument I think is a bit ludicrous. People don't get jail time for not buying drugs, for openers, but they can get sent up for not paying taxes. The whole argument is really a straw man, since I'm not talking about taxes or Walmart, but what the negative effects of illegal drugs are as far as murders go in this and other countries. You seem to be saying illegal drugs from other countries are only a drop in the bucket compared to what's already inside our borders. Am I reading you correctly or not?
Here is a link to a DEA site talking about drugs coming into the US from other countries:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/state_factsheets.html

I see that a lot of people also have the vice of posting a lot of gak about a subject completely unrelated to the OP.

Lint wrote:

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

I saw a bumper sticker once that said "Buy Drugs, Support the CIA," sadly it's fairly accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking When the cia/contra story was being investigated by the San Jose Mecury News, the reporters were allegedly threatened multiple times by so called government "black hats" and the paper was told not to run the piece. They finally did run a much edited version, but the facts are still available for those willing to dig a bit.

Hell, heroin exports from Afgahnistan tripled since we invaded, and "asserted control."

As for mexico, that country is messed up in a huge way. It's like 1920's corruption times a million, and they buy most of their guns from us.

Illegal drugs, and cartels are seriously destructive, but don't buy the line that just because you're buying some weed you are somehow supporting terrorists. Our governments do just as much damage to their own people, and if you follow the money it almost always leads to some fatcat who is supposed to be looking out for the working man.

The bottom line is that a lot of people get killed because of the drug trade. It dosen't matter who's running it, people still end up dead.

BrookM wrote:I see that a lot of people also have the vice of posting a lot of gak about a subject completely unrelated to the OP.

Welcome to the Internet! We hope you enjoy your stay!

Posting OT is one of my vices as well.

BrookM wrote:I see that a lot of people also have the vice of posting a lot of gak about a subject completely unrelated to the OP.

Weird, that seems to happen to alot of my threads. Hmmmmm...........

Relapse wrote:

That still doesn't answer the question as to what percentage of illeagal drugs home grown takes in. I also notice there's no mention of Cocain or Heroin. Probably because of the fact that they aren't home grown.

Yea I was mainly talking about marijuana since thats a topic of my expertise however those numbers speak for themselves and its easily the most common illegal drug. That PDF that I quoted and linked deals with marijuana exclusively. Cocaine, heroine , and meth is refined and made market ready in the USA but its main ingredients largely come from other parts of the world.

How many of the places where pot is grown don't make it worth your life to be around since you'd probably end up dead if you were caught there? I know it's a hazard campers and hikers run in certain areas.

Seems like you watched propaganda to me. Marijuana is also a weed and by its very nature will grow a lot and that hazard you discuss seems like it'd be an awfully insignificant number; plus the public areas that hikers venture have law enforcers they could call. You wouldn't want to be standing around in a public area next to illegal stuff anyway so just get the hell out of dodge if you run in that situation imo.

The Wal Mart and taxes argument I think is a bit ludicrous. People don't get jail time for not buying drugs, for openers, but they can get sent up for not paying taxes. The whole argument is really a straw man, since I'm not talking about taxes or Walmart, but what the negative effects of illegal drugs are as far as murders go in this and other countries.

Likewise with your comments about how buying illegals drugs = supporting murder and that idea largely stems from government propaganda. You seemed to make a pretty big point about this even though buying legal items like alcohol or paying taxes contributes to arguably worse ethical contexts.

You seem to be saying illegal drugs from other countries are only a drop in the bucket compared to what's already inside our borders. Am I reading you correctly or not?

The harder drugs that come from outside the USA usually have to be further refined and added to in order to be consumed so outside drugs definitely take a lot of inside help to sell to your fellow American. I can see how you came to that idea but no I am not saying its a drop in the bucket, more like half the bucket in some respects but when it comes to marijuana, the most widely used illegal drug, its most likely grown by Americans in America as many studies show. In the case of marijuana and probably other drugs, the stuff that comes from foreign lands are usually lower quality due to the drawbacks of smuggling. Feel free to google 'meth capital of the world' to see that hard drugs are largely made market-ready in none other than within USA.

And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

FUN! I HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT!!! that's my vice...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:FUN! I HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT!!! that's my vice...

Yep. Sounds about right to me.

Maybe not a vice, but going OT is a guilty pleasure

I'm beginning to see why OT is compared to smoking now.

Cane wrote:
Seems like you watched propaganda to me. Marijuana is also a weed and by its very nature will grow a lot and that hazard you discuss seems like it'd be an awfully insignificant number; plus the public areas that hikers venture have law enforcers they could call. You wouldn't want to be standing around in a public area next to illegal stuff anyway so just get the hell out of dodge if you run in that situation imo.

See, you should have simply responded with: Legalize it, and the danger goes away.

Cane wrote:
Likewise with your comments about how buying illegals drugs = supporting murder and that idea largely stems from government propaganda. You seemed to make a pretty big point about this even though buying legal items like alcohol or paying taxes contributes to arguably worse ethical contexts.

It isn't really propaganda. Well, that's not true, it is propaganda (because its commonly used to demonize pot culture), but it isn't false. Any purchase made along the course of the drug trade is tacit acceptance of anything done in the process of the trade; including murder given the illicit nature of the matter. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing (read up on where Coca-Cola gets its sugar from), but it is part of the situation you can't simply dismiss as false.

Cane wrote:
And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

Correct.

As a retired policeman once told me:

"Mate, best thing they could do is legalise pot, tax it, use the tax to grant additional funds to the police and social services."

Cane wrote:

Likewise with your comments about how buying illegals drugs = supporting murder and that idea largely stems from government propaganda. You seemed to make a pretty big point about this even though buying legal items like alcohol or paying taxes contributes to arguably worse ethical contexts.

You seem to be saying illegal drugs from other countries are only a drop in the bucket compared to what's already inside our borders. Am I reading you correctly or not?

The harder drugs that come from outside the USA usually have to be further refined and added to in order to be consumed so outside drugs definitely take a lot of inside help to sell to your fellow American. I can see how you came to that idea but no I am not saying its a drop in the bucket, more like half the bucket in some respects but when it comes to marijuana, the most widely used illegal drug, its most likely grown by Americans in America as many studies show. In the case of marijuana and probably other drugs, the stuff that comes from foreign lands are usually lower quality due to the drawbacks of smuggling. Feel free to google 'meth capital of the world' to see that hard drugs are largely made market-ready in none other than within USA.

And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

Some more info on how buying drugs helps support murder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico

One of my friends got his family out of Mexico because the drug cartels have turned his area of the country into a Hell hole. No one dares say anything against these guys. His brother had his car taken by a low level member of one of the cartels and was told to let it pass because he'd be killed if he went to the cops. These are the kind of people getting control and they are supported in very large part by the drug trade.
As far as the argument about making pot legal, I'll leave that for another thread except that there's always another drug that people will be saying should be made legal using the prohibition argument.

Relapse wrote:
As far as the argument about making pot legal, I'll leave that for another thread except that there's always another drug that people will be saying should be made legal using the prohibition argument.

And there will always be another group of people that should be allowed rights; using the civil rights argument. Slippery slopes become no stance.

Chasing the wifes parts. 2 kids and she still fits in her high school jeans, God bless her.
Beer that is too expensive (stone breweries is da devil!)
minis
games
lazy fether
I keep hearing that apathy is so 90's, but I can't bring myself to care.
McCallan's
Steering chicks that hit on me toward my nefarious buddies with fewer entanglements and morals.

They should legalise ecstasy and pure mdma in the UK before weed. Causes less deaths than alcohol and requires less police presence.

* Head butts table repeatedly.*

I sincerely hope you're joking.

Part of me wishes that they would. Give all the fething freaks their candy, enough to off themselves.

Cane wrote:
The harder drugs that come from outside the USA usually have to be further refined and added to in order to be consumed so outside drugs definitely take a lot of inside help to sell to your fellow American. I can see how you came to that idea but no I am not saying its a drop in the bucket, more like half the bucket in some respects but when it comes to marijuana, the most widely used illegal drug, its most likely grown by Americans in America as many studies show. In the case of marijuana and probably other drugs, the stuff that comes from foreign lands are usually lower quality due to the drawbacks of smuggling. Feel free to google 'meth capital of the world' to see that hard drugs are largely made market-ready in none other than within USA.

And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

The fact remains that buying these drugs puts a huge chunk of change into the Cartels pockets. As far as being refined in the US goes, that's a whole other segment of people that aren't above slitting a persons throat for pocket change being supported by drug money. Crips, Bloods and other gangs get a lot of their income from drugs. If you want, I could get some good info from friends of mine that were cops about the fall out effects of the drug trade and how far they extend, but I used to live in a crack house type joint for about 6 months and what I 've been telling you stems from a lot of personal observation.
The majority of Meth sold in the US comes from Mexico according to my readings it gets sent in from Mexico and futher processed by cartel run labs in this country. Just refer to the link I posted earlier for one of my sources and scroll down to the section about Meth under the drug trafficing heading.

Something I've pondered is how many people that call for gun control support the cartels and gangs using the guns and killing people by buying their drugs.

Shamfrit wrote:* Head butts table repeatedly.*

I sincerely hope you're joking.

not really no. I mean anti drug arguments aside, I can't see how ecstasy is a worse drug than alcohol. The only reason alcohol isn't treated as such is because it's a cultural relic we can't get rid of.

Women with legs that go all the way up.
Stomping cities.


Ghidorah

Whale meat.

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Booze
(combination of wines, some whiskys and beers and other alcomahol-related things - and not all at the same time).
and coffee. Straight up, black and bitter, just like my moods.

I don't gamble, chase loose women, smoke or drive a fast car. I don't consider checking out the fine female form as a vice, either. I'm married, not dead!

I've tried dope, acid, speed (not ice) and mdma. I was never a habitual user (I've used them all less times than I have fingers) though. All in my (relative - I 'bloomed' late) youth. Besides, it reduces my spending money for wardollies.

buying GW products is my only vice.............

Lord-Loss wrote:

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Maybe...

Tea, Earl Grey.

Sometimes a Shirley Temple, sometimes just black.

(If you got the second sentence misconstrued, you are a bad, bad person.)

sA

Khornholio wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Maybe...

It's code for fat chicks...

Khornholio been rolling em in flour again...FETCH THE SIR MIXALOT RECORD NOW!!!1!

Coffee. I only drink one or two instant whites with two sweeteners on most days, but even that might be a bit much.

Then again, I'm a semi-depressed teenager who can't get to sleep until two in the morning and wakes up four hours later for school. I can't help but worry about the whole carcinogenic thing.

My record was 19 cups of coffee in 2.5 hours.
The room was spinning!!!

I would have to say keeping my inner feelings bottled up and being a bad person, other than that I have no vices.

Mine are coffee, miniatures, the occasional smoke, and some other magpie like tendencies.

I, as happens, am getting boring in my "old age".

Be original people, not everyone on this thread can claim coffee as a vice.

halonachos wrote:Be original people, not everyone on this thread can claim coffee as a vice.

Yes, but my coffee has a shot of Capt Morgans, 4 disolved Excedrin, 2 CCs simple green, saw dust, 2 teaspoons Tabasco sauce in it.

Something I picked up in the rougher parts of french canada.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Khornholio wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Maybe...

It's code for fat chicks...

Khornholio been rolling em in flour again...FETCH THE SIR MIXALOT RECORD NOW!!!1!

Slutty Fat Chicks make the rockin' world go round.

Just ciggies and booze really.

After all, like the Viz Doctor said....

'Stay In The Pink, With Ciggies and Drink!'

The rest of the stuff I don't consider to be a vice. Sexytime type stuff is an instinctual thing.

Khornholio wrote:Slutty chicks.

and booze

and smokes

i wouldnt say any particular recreational drugs are my vices, as i only do them very occasionally

paulguise wrote:

halonachos wrote:Be original people, not everyone on this thread can claim coffee as a vice.

Yes, but my coffee has a shot of Capt Morgans, 4 disolved Excedrin, 2 CCs simple green, saw dust, 2 teaspoons Tabasco sauce in it.

Something I picked up in the rougher parts of french canada.

I think that's what everyone means when they say they drink coffee and alchohol in the coffee is cliche, we need ORIGINAL vices people. Mine would be wanting to see what people look like on the inside, legally, just because I want to be awesome and know how to fix people so I can laugh at those that don't know.

Biggest vice here is my crippling lack of self confidence. It has turned me into a tedious double checker and makes me hesitant to take advantage of opportunities when I see them.

Frazzled wrote:My record was 19 cups of coffee in 2.5 hours.
The room was spinning!!!

You sir are obviously indestructable, the closest I've ever come to that was 10 cups in about 3 hours,I wanted to pull my skin off.

My record is 2 cups in as many days.

I dislike coffee.

I'm an OCD perfectionist who cannot settle for anything less then perfection in anything I undertake. I waste an unbelievable amount of time toiling over mundane details. Oh, and weed. A lot of weed.

Hmmm...

I do not see true OCD as a problem so much as a superhuman enhancement of sorts.

Be who you are man, I appreciate the fact that you approach life with a determined and strong focus.

Keep rationality in the mix from time to time though okay?

I will note that you should learn to keep your focus in line before you start a project, and you will be just fine. If your goal is to finish and you do not, you have obviously failed, but if you are determined to practice perfection then I commend you, if you were in Japan you could very well be considered a national treasure.

Wrexasaur wrote: if you were in Japan you could very well be considered a national treasure.

Mostly, I'm just willing to do twenty color studies and ten re-designs to make something look just right.

That is something that most are simply not willing to do, and it is essential to providing a real foothold for design and art in general.

The more steps the farther you go, regardless of perspective a drive that puts you in the zone (pluto for me mars for you, etc...) is something to be grateful for.

since I started working in a restaurant that said "Unlimited tea/coffee while working - within reason", I have been having four+ coffees per six hour shift, after having energy drink on the way to work.

I am a sucker for Scotch, Brandy and Strongbow, whichis a problem because I am only 17.

I have an innabillity to walk into a hobby/CD/novelty shop and leave empty handed.

I care not what people think of me. Today, on a whim, I bought a foam sword, a form missile launcher and a goblet and walked around the mall for a few hours with a mate and the GF, who was looking almost ashamed...

I would say being a perv, but I don't see that as a vice...