Samus_aran115 wrote:eh, who cares? We all know that trek loses. Forget about star wars too (idiotic storm troopers can't even kill harrison ford). Chuck? Eh, I'd say a daemon would come out of the warp and eat his brains out.

IOM wins IMO


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adielubbe wrote:I reckin 40k

The mighty boosh! YES. Love that show.

Sorry for OT (if that's even possible)

ph34r wrote:The winner is Vin Diesel.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Q pwns all, even chaos gods or god emperors. Q is omnipotent and without limits.

Trek wins.

kowbasher wrote:Coming from a long time Star Wars fanboy I sadly have to admit 40k would win hands down. It's simply about logistics.

The Clone Wars is perhaps the largest galactic moblization for war the Star Wars galaxy has ever seen. Millions of clones and droids being ferried across the galaxy in fleets ranging from a handful of vessels to armadas of 100+ fighting for perhaps 50 some planets that existed on the fringe of the galaxy were the light of the Republic was at its feintist. Hyperspace travel allowed for this grandest of wars to be fought and completed in a matter of 5-ish years.

Star Wars has 40k beat hands down in effiency and response time of their forces and could easily win any battle or short campagin due to their mobility and ability to bring their forces to bare quickly.

BUT

When we compare the sheer size of a potential universe vs universe there is no contest as the total size, scope, and brutal nature of the 40k universe would grind the peace loving, good guys always win Star Wars universe to a pulp. Despite of the pinpoint lighting strikes potential Star Wars forces could muster, they would be worn down by sheer endlessness of forces in the 40k universe.

In 40k THERE IS ONLY WAR from one edge of the galaxy to the next. Star Wars' major conflicts are always politcally motivated and follow the rise and fall of major empires which after spending trillions of credits and hundreds of years of peaceful rebuilding tend to get knocked down quite fast. 40k does that damn day and still gets home on time to tuck the kids into bed. Any of the major races in 40k (Imperium, Orks, Nids, Chaos) have more numbers and resources at their disposal then the entire Star Wars universe put together.

Hell Star Wars even had their own "nid" invasion in the form the Yuuzhan Vong Wars in the Extended Universe series of novels. The Vong were a race of bio-organic extra-galactic invaders that nearly destroyed the combined forces of the Empire and the New Republic and the New Jedi Order in less than a decade. The Vong only brought like 12 moon sized ships and thousands of support craft. Nothing compared to even one tendril of the Hive Fleet.

Anyhoo, I'm done rambling...40k wins because of numbers. Only to be defeated by Star Trek because of TRIBBLES!

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:also the chaos gods could corrupt some of the Q's and as they can kill other Q's they would and the tau can start making weapons to combat the Q's thus 40k wins

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:The om nom bit



but seriously why would anyone whant starwars to win ???

tomjoad wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:The om nom bit



but seriously why would anyone whant starwars to win ???

Because of all the options given, Star Wars has the best movies, video games, writing, acting and etcetera?

Orkeosaurus wrote:The 40k universe beats the Star Wars universe, but the Galactic Empire beats The Imperium of Man.

Both the Imperium and the Empire beat the Federation, although in a universe battle it would come down what the pretty much omnipotent beings from Star Trek would do against the pretty much omnipotent beings from 40k.

Chuck Norris is a skilled martial artist, but is neither a galaxy spanning empire nor a universe filled with advanced aliens, and is at a disadvantage because of this.

Jaon wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:The 40k universe beats the Star Wars universe, but the Galactic Empire beats The Imperium of Man.

Both the Imperium and the Empire beat the Federation, although in a universe battle it would come down what the pretty much omnipotent beings from Star Trek would do against the pretty much omnipotent beings from 40k.

Chuck Norris is a skilled martial artist, but is neither a galaxy spanning empire nor a universe filled with advanced aliens, and is at a disadvantage because of this.

Not sure how the galactic empire beats the Imperium? One space marine could walk through 100 storm troopers. HELL! one EWOK can walk through 100 storm troopers.

Not to mention theres like uh...10 trilllion Imperial Guardsmen and like...1million storm troopers. And space battles would be pretty one sided in the imperiums favour too.

Clumpski wrote:anyway, no matter what you say, no matter how powerful a being is, it can still get eaten by nids, and considering most races in 40k are carnivors and no one truely knows how big the nid threat is, the're dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed! even if you can wipe them all out, the'll leave the universe stripped down to the atoms.

plus theres the necrons, the god killers.

Jaon wrote:My mistake. I was thinking of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

Aka ONE HIVE FLEET.

sniperjolly wrote:This has come up frequntly, and time and time again the ansewer is the same, the 40k universe would kick the living snot out of just about anyone you care to point a stick at. (Ive heard about one anime that has shuriken the size of galaxys thrown around that popped up in one of theese topics, but I decided to call them an exeption) All the things that make OMFGSUPERGIRMDARK and LOLKEWLUBERBADDASSERYFROMHELL also make it hillariously over the top. From god-titans, ships the size of moons, exterminatus, a populaton of several trillion from one faction alone, the 'nids and necrons, orks and not even mentioning Chaos, coupled with either mindless om-nommery butal warmongering, or eternal xenophobia, there will be crusade, after hive fleet, after WAAAGH! untill they are swallowed in grim darkness.

EDIT: and though Chuck Norris could take on any man in the universe, he would be at a disadvantage against an entire UNIVERSE, even if he is invunerable, and infalliabe and invincible, he still has to kill men one at a time, or dozens at a time, this would take hundreds of thousands of years, and the population would be growing constantly.

Zer0Cool wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but it is to my understanding that the IoM can't produce machines very well and in star wars there is the planet Kuat that endlessly produced star destroyers, and if man power was a problem they could load the ships with droids to crew them. I just fixed the lack of man power problem that would have given the IoM an advantage. Some one said that blasters are like las guns, incorrect. It is closer to plasma which in 40k seems to be pretty dangerous. Some one also commented on storm trooper accuracy and armor, replace the soldiers and armor with mandalorians. The only thing that would cause 40k to win is the Tyranids... and creed.... other than that i dont see people doing much against Jedi, like some one said, starkiller and Revan.. nuff said.


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sniperjolly wrote:This has come up frequntly, and time and time again the ansewer is the same, the 40k universe would kick the living snot out of just about anyone you care to point a stick at. (Ive heard about one anime that has shuriken the size of galaxys thrown around that popped up in one of theese topics, but I decided to call them an exeption) All the things that make OMFGSUPERGIRMDARK and LOLKEWLUBERBADDASSERYFROMHELL also make it hillariously over the top. From god-titans, ships the size of moons, exterminatus, a populaton of several trillion from one faction alone, the 'nids and necrons, orks and not even mentioning Chaos, coupled with either mindless om-nommery butal warmongering, or eternal xenophobia, there will be crusade, after hive fleet, after WAAAGH! untill they are swallowed in grim darkness.

EDIT: and though Chuck Norris could take on any man in the universe, he would be at a disadvantage against an entire UNIVERSE, even if he is invunerable, and infalliabe and invincible, he still has to kill men one at a time, or dozens at a time, this would take hundreds of thousands of years, and the population would be growing constantly.

I just remembered I wanted to say this, that anime is called Tengen Toppa Gurren lagann and the main character was utilizing the power that drives everything forward.. and yes the last fight was literaly a giant robot duel using galaxies as shuriken while standing on a bigger galaxy... Epic was redefined because of this anime.. I suggest it to everyone...

Grey Templar wrote:and Cobra's are slightly BIGGER then Star Destoyers.


i throw out the Starkiller based on the fact that its weapon is 100% unscientific and there is no way that it could ever be real. Stars are made of gas and gases don't have a resonance frequency.

Plasma weapons are based upon the only slightly shakey idea of hurling super heated gas down a magnetic tunnel that is projected from the weapon.

the bulk of 40k weapons involve magnetically accelerating solid projectiles. most Star wars weapons are energy based.



all weapons that can be classed as "God weapons" can't be considered. the Starkiller was pure Fanfic that made it into the cannon because Lucas was very loose with the rights in exchange for a cut of all the procedes. even the Deathstar is slightly rediclous, but i will let it slide because they clearly were not overpowered.

Naturally, we can't be 100% scientific with some things that clearly violate the laws of physics. 40K fixes it's Plasma Reacters that violate the laws of Mass to Energy by giving a vauge description that the massive drives that power the Star Ships draw power from Warp Space(a parellel dimension that is has Energy as the dominate form of substanance as opposed to our Dimension that is made up primarly of Matter)


in the end, i am glad that GW doesn't let just anyone write stuff about 40k. it keeps the fluff pure.

Grey Templar wrote:Marine biology isn't outside the realm of possability.


Humans are, very rarely, born with multiples of organs. there was once 2 siamese twin girls who, on the outside, had 1 body and 2 heads. on the inside they had a single ribcage and body cavity which had 2 Hearts, 3 lungs(the center attached to both windpipes), and 2 stomochs which attached to a single intestinal tract.

the entire system worked just fine. each girl had control of a single arm and leg, but they were able to coordinate perfectly to ride bikes and do other things.


now, this was a strange case of twins(natural clones) that didn't seperate(Siamese twins), but did so in an odd way.

it shows that a single body could support multiple organs.

We make artifical organs now.

eventually, we might be able to make psuedo-living artifical organs and be able to implant them into a human body.

Asherian Command wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Marine biology isn't outside the realm of possability.


Humans are, very rarely, born with multiples of organs. there was once 2 siamese twin girls who, on the outside, had 1 body and 2 heads. on the inside they had a single ribcage and body cavity which had 2 Hearts, 3 lungs(the center attached to both windpipes), and 2 stomochs which attached to a single intestinal tract.

the entire system worked just fine. each girl had control of a single arm and leg, but they were able to coordinate perfectly to ride bikes and do other things.


now, this was a strange case of twins(natural clones) that didn't seperate(Siamese twins), but did so in an odd way.

it shows that a single body could support multiple organs.

We make artifical organs now.

eventually, we might be able to make psuedo-living artifical organs and be able to implant them into a human body.

I'm talking about forge World XD

Grey Templar wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Marine biology isn't outside the realm of possability.


Humans are, very rarely, born with multiples of organs. there was once 2 siamese twin girls who, on the outside, had 1 body and 2 heads. on the inside they had a single ribcage and body cavity which had 2 Hearts, 3 lungs(the center attached to both windpipes), and 2 stomochs which attached to a single intestinal tract.

the entire system worked just fine. each girl had control of a single arm and leg, but they were able to coordinate perfectly to ride bikes and do other things.


now, this was a strange case of twins(natural clones) that didn't seperate(Siamese twins), but did so in an odd way.

it shows that a single body could support multiple organs.

We make artifical organs now.

eventually, we might be able to make psuedo-living artifical organs and be able to implant them into a human body.

I'm talking about forge World XD

Forge World

what exactly are you talking about?

Forge World, Marine Biology???


Starkiller made sense, but this is confusing.

Zer0Cool wrote:Asherian Command, I asked for the corrections, thank you for making them. It was to my understanding the Imperium has some problems with going backward in their technological know how.

Lord Malorne wrote:Without the Q's IoM wins, with them... well, what can you do!

Voronesh wrote:Trek always wins.

Just because of the Tech.

Phasers hit just about always. Which is something that cannot be said about 40k ships.

Apart from that its omnipotent beings against omnipotent beings.

And Borg.....they just adapt. Species 8472 beats even that. Say goodbye chosen fleet of 40k. Star Wars whatever. Its not called treknobabble for nothing.

Mark1130 wrote:Ya, ya. Star Trek might have Q, but 40K has C'tans. Sun eaters. Ya, that's a fight I like to see.

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alright then so it boils down to everything appart from 40k getting p4wned because of the literaly indescribable size and nature of most of its species and vovager and the whole treck universe would get owned by one emperor class battleship and Q vs the gods of chaos and the emperor there all omnipotent and its 5 vs one !!!! the starwars would be the hardest but a few templar crusades and imperial navy taskforces and all of the titans as one warhound is the size of an at-at it goes without saying the warhound will win so 40k beats all commers without releasing the nid's or th orks or anything else !!!!



If the emporer and the chaos gods were omnipotent there would be no battles between their followers...they would simply "will" their enemies away. It's like comparing the Christian God and the Greek gods. The Greek gods are powerful...but they can be killed. Q cannot, and is not on the same level as the emporer and the chaos gods.

Be glad...if the chaos gods were Q there would be no 40k universe


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Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alright then so it boils down to everything appart from 40k getting p4wned because of the literaly indescribable size and nature of most of its species and vovager and the whole treck universe would get owned by one emperor class battleship and Q vs the gods of chaos and the emperor there all omnipotent and its 5 vs one !!!! the starwars would be the hardest but a few templar crusades and imperial navy taskforces and all of the titans as one warhound is the size of an at-at it goes without saying the warhound will win so 40k beats all commers without releasing the nid's or th orks or anything else !!!!



If the emporer and the chaos gods were omnipotent there would be no battles between their followers...they would simply "will" their enemies away. It's like comparing the Christian God and the Greek gods. The Greek gods are powerful...but they can be killed. Q cannot, and is not on the same level as the emporer and the chaos gods.

Be glad...if the chaos gods were Q there would be no 40k universe

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WhiteBishop wrote:Haha, surprise appearance of another question!

Although I know 40k will still win this, I just want to hand out wooden spoons. A fairer comparison could be to have a starship from 40k, Star Trek and Star Wars all facing each other in 1-1 duels. I'd put forward the following ships:

SW - Either Executor (Super Star Destroyer) or Eclipse (a cloned Emperor's Super Star Destroyer with a Death Star gun )
ST - Not my forte, going with USS Enterprise
40k - Is Planet Killer OP? If so then maybe a Retribution. I don't know Inter-Universe ship scale, so then a Mars Class Battlecruiser?

(In cheesy Street Fighter style) FIGHT!

Super Star Destroyers are 3 times the size of a Retribution capitol ship. 19km vs 7.5 km.

however, this isn't a proper comparison as SSDs aren't a main line battleship(which a Retribution is), but are rather a heavy flag ship who's primary purpose is to protect the fleet commander and provide a rallying point. Retributions are more heavily armed for their size then a SSD is.

SSDs weren't common either as they were only beginning to be deployed in the latter days of the GE. even at their intended deployment numbers there were never more then 1 per fleet. it isn't uncommon for there to be 5-10 Retribution or similer sized ships in an IoM fleet.

one on one: the Retribution vessel will likely stay at long range and use it's superior range to battle the SSD(Star Wars ship battles are done at very close range, suggesting that their weapons either have a low range, the targeting systems can't detect targets beyond a few dozen kilometers, or both) if they do manage to close, the SSD will likely have taken a massive beating while the Retribution will only have had it's shields rattled. IoM ships use solid slug weapons which will pass right through the GE shields while the SSD has laser cannons which will be stopped by Void Shields. basically, the Retribution will be doing actual damage long before the SSD does.

eventually, the IoM will try to board. IoM storm trooper boarding parties with Flamers, shotguns, and Lasguns will likely make short work of Storm Trooper resistance. this is because Storm Trooper armor is made to withstand energy weapons, and we all know how effective it is , not solid slug weapons. the Shotguns and flamers will just bypass their defense.



Retribution vs Enterprise: need i say more?

the Enterprise isn't on the graph, but the Soveriegn is which is bigger then the Enterprise. it's the first ship in the lowerleft group.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/11 19:35:44

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I hate trekkies never see reason in the debate and believe the Q don't have limits. They might have limits its just they might of never showed it. Anything can be killed, sorry to burst your bubbles but each thing can be killed no matter what.

Astrates + Bolters = Thousands of dead Storm Troopers.

End.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/11 19:44:59

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Grey Templar wrote:

Retribution vs Enterprise: need i say more?

the Enterprise isn't on the graph, but the Soveriegn is which is bigger then the Enterprise. it's the first ship in the lowerleft group.

Unless it's the USS Enterprise-E, which is a Sovereign Class ship. Also, being able to fire weapons at FTL speeds gives the Federation a considerable advantage versus both the Imperium and the Empire in 1 on 1 combat (and please, let's not let this go where it did last time with multiple pages amounting to basically "my ship is so fast you can't see it!" "nu-uh!" "is too!"! One on one, the Federation actually has the advantage, but considering the sheer numbers of the Imperium, they can just zergling rush the Federation until they run out of torpedoes)

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/11 19:49:15

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AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Retribution vs Enterprise: need i say more?

the Enterprise isn't on the graph, but the Soveriegn is which is bigger then the Enterprise. it's the first ship in the lowerleft group.

Unless it's the USS Enterprise-E, which is a Sovereign Class ship. Also, being able to fire weapons at FTL speeds gives the Federation a considerable advantage versus both the Imperium and the Empire in 1 on 1 combat (and please, let's not let this go where it did last time with multiple pages amounting to basically "my ship is so fast you can't see it!" "nu-uh!" "is too!"! One on one, the Federation actually has the advantage, but considering the sheer numbers of the Imperium, they can just zergling rush the Federation until they run out of torpedoes)

I can't believe you forgot about the fact that the Cobra Fighters are always with the Returbition ships and will take care of the USS Enterprise. But the Federation may be fast but they don't strike at ridiculously long distances.
If anyone brings Stargate into this I will say that Stargate can't really do anything, in that they need stargates which will not be in the IOM of man. So there goes that plan for them.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/11 20:03:32

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Asherian Command wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Retribution vs Enterprise: need i say more?

the Enterprise isn't on the graph, but the Soveriegn is which is bigger then the Enterprise. it's the first ship in the lowerleft group.

Unless it's the USS Enterprise-E, which is a Sovereign Class ship. Also, being able to fire weapons at FTL speeds gives the Federation a considerable advantage versus both the Imperium and the Empire in 1 on 1 combat (and please, let's not let this go where it did last time with multiple pages amounting to basically "my ship is so fast you can't see it!" "nu-uh!" "is too!"! One on one, the Federation actually has the advantage, but considering the sheer numbers of the Imperium, they can just zergling rush the Federation until they run out of torpedoes)

I can't believe you forgot about the fact that the Cobra Fighters are always with the Returbition ships and will take care of the USS Enterprise. But the Federation may be fast but they don't strike at ridiculously long distances.
If anyone brings Stargate into this I will say that Stargate can't really do anything, in that they need stargates which will not be in the IOM of man. So there goes that plan for them.

I can't believe you missed that this was about 1 on 1. Besides, what would the escorts do against a target they can't see?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/11 20:03:40

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Yes, the Feds can fire weapons at FTL speed,


the main problem with that is that is used primarly for engaging other ships going at FTL speeds.

the IoM doesn't use FTL travel.


yes the Federation could do a drive by, but the only way to do that is if they know exactly where the IoM ship in question is and it would require a very split second firing mechanism because they would have less then a millisecond of time where their weapon would be able to connect with the enemy.

IIRC: phasers require the beam to be on the target for a pieriod of time before damage can be done. Ship Sized phasers might only need a few Milliseconds to do their damage, but it might not be possable for a ship traveling at FTL speeds to target a stationary object, no matter how big it is. especially considering how the object in question will only be there for less then a millisecond before speeding away.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/11 20:18:18

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Torpedoes?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/12 00:49:05

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given the size descrepency of the ships, the Federation torpedos wouldn't even dent the IoM ships.


are Federation torpedos FTL capable?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/12 05:41:29

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Very doubtful. Imagine the cost of installing FTL capability on a torpedo.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/12 05:46:13

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yeah, although IoM torpedos are almost as big as Fed ships.


"Cap'n, the enemy 'peers to be sendin a parley ship, it'sa headin right fer us"

"Hail them and allow them to come aboard Scotty"

30 seconds later.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/12 05:48:34

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Star Trek = Primarily space bound combat
Star Wars = Neither best at Space or Land based combant, even army of jedi
40k = Ownage of space and Ownage of Land

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/12 07:45:45

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sniperjolly wrote:40K on the other hand, is, as stated, (LOL OMG LIEK SPESS MARHINES ARE THE R0CKZORZ!!! and TYRANOSAURS ARE BETTER CAUSE THEY ARE BUG DINOSAURS! ) As over the top as physicaly possible and even then, the rule of cool has long supplanted the laws of physics in 40K.

Pretty much this. 40K is the DragonBall Z of sci-fi settings, you can't judge it by the same pseudo-scientific measures as the others. There's always something more ridiculous and over the top in 40K. Q is actually one of Tzeench's daemon princes!

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/12 20:41:10

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sorry, ive wanted to say this for a while, other than warp drive/pyskers/chaos everything in 40k, tau, IoM, eldar weaponry and defences, even the nids have a basis in reality, plasma, a substance that is neither liquid, gas or solid, being held in magnetic fields and discharged and high rates of fire, fair enoug this sounds far fetched but so did having mobile phone that had 2ghz processors in them 20 years go, 20 years ago american defence systems controlled by super computers bearly had 2ghz in them, now look at them, with multipul cores there in the Thz range in processing, lasors (lazors? not sure if its s or z) scientific proof these exist, we use them in almost everything, and im sure in a few thousend years we'd have them weaponised, rockets, explosives, biological weapons bacterial and genetic enhancement (incudling more advanced forms, the nids) happening every day, always improving always evolving, and considering the size of the hive fleets and the distances, incuding the sheer size, they must be about as old as the necrons, billions of years old, and if you dont believe in creationisum that is more than enough time to create a hive mind (ants, bees etc) and rapid mutation even we have mutations, some useful some not, (downs syndrome for example, or the woman who had 4 kidneys) as are new genes, minerals technologys, and increased micronisation means smaller faster more effecent computers, as well as stronger metals or more reactive metalls (dont get into the specific terms you all know what i mean)

as for the warp, it could follow the same principle as biology, the biological hylix, it mirrors its self, so if one side gets damaged it can replicate its self and repair, this could be what the warp is, and if you follow any good sci-fi the sheilds are either projected energy or using subspace as a barrier (warp anyone?), stealth fields could use the same princeple or micro cameras and prejectors, necrons can phase tunnel, this could be knocking the ships almost into the warp, or into another dimension entierly, eldar webways, could use a replicated version of the warp (there also millions upon millions yes?) that is stablised by giant gates, created by the old ones, even humans have developed mild forms of esp and other physic gifts, so you know everything could be explained if you think about it, so yes, 40k might be over the top occasionally, but in this arguement its science is based on this universe, (depends on your view on the warp as subspace/hyperspace which the other two universes use)

and about creatures that devlop unatural ages, with the right foods and tecnology, has the average lift span of a human in the past few hundread years not gone up from 60 to 80? now add a few thousend/million years to the process, and if you dont manage it, you could always go the same way as the necrons >=]

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 05:33:58

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Void shields actually do use something similer to Subspace as a defense.

incoming objects are transported into the warp. naturally, this requires energy and is why the shields can be overloaded.


for this reason, 40k shields are supierior to any other sci-fi shield that doesn't use a similer principal because they work against all projectiles, energy and solid.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 14:39:21

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Grey Templar wrote:Void shields actually do use something similer to Subspace as a defense.

incoming objects are transported into the warp. naturally, this requires energy and is why the shields can be overloaded.

Anything to back that statement up?

Also do Void shields work under water?

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 16:58:40

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"The shields use Warp technology to displace ranged attacks. It is unclear whether Void Shields neutralize the projectile, transport it to the Warp, or exactly how the shielding is accomplished"

this is the only official cannon on them.

considering that the shields work on both solid and energy weapons, it seems most likely that they work using the latter method.


a field of energy, without some sort of space displacement, shouldn't stop a solid particle from passing through. Energy weapons are the only weapon type that will likely be stopped(assuming that energy fields can stop any thing at all)


hence why i belive they open up a warp portal in response to incoming objects and energy streams.



Void shields might work under water. a really fast current could trigger the shields to protect the thing they are protecting and this could drain the shields quickly.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 17:12:54

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Grey Templar wrote:"The shields use Warp technology to displace ranged attacks. It is unclear whether Void Shields neutralize the projectile, transport it to the Warp, or exactly how the shielding is accomplished"

this is the only official cannon on them.

Which is from?

The reason that I question this is because time and time again, it is hammered in the background to 40K is how dangerous and uncontrollable the warp is. Yet the answers nearly constantly given is, oh it's warp powered, or it opens a portal to the warp. For something that has the most powerful psyker constantly vying against it, it seems pretty mundane to have it fitted onto a ship/titan to deflect a bullet. Or the ultimate power source to work a door.

Cheers

Andrew

PS the question about the water, was if shields don't work under water thens species 841117565464534 (whatever, you know the ones I'm talking about) win by default as they are unassailable in their home galaxy.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 17:15:28

Post by: Terminus

Clumpski wrote:fair enoug this sounds far fetched but so did having mobile phone that had 2ghz processors in them 20 years go

Actually, we still don't have that, although it's not too far off. A few of the new phones do have two 1Ghz cores, however.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 17:17:32

Post by: Grey Templar

sorry, It's from the Void Shield entry on Lexicanum.

i belive the reason voids arn't bad is because they don't have the risk of opening a self sustaining warp portal. i think this is because there are many fail safes built into the equipment(one of which may be a shutdown after so much incoming damage)




Species bla bla bla.... would a still be screwed. just virus bomb them from orbit.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 18:09:37

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Grey Templar wrote:Species bla bla bla.... would a still be screwed. just virus bomb them from orbit.

They live in a separate reality ("Fluidic Space") and don't have planets, as everything they have is alive. Think of them as a mix between the Tyranids and Chaos. They're even telepathic.

Grey Templar wrote:given the size descrepency of the ships, the Federation torpedos wouldn't even dent the IoM ships.


are Federation torpedos FTL capable?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there are examples of Star Trek torpedoes phasing out of space-time and then phasing back in when they reach their designated target, letting them effectively explode inside enemy ships, rupturing plasma reactors. And considering that they've been fired during warp travel on-screen on numerous occations, they're at least launchable while at warp speeds.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 18:21:28

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Ok, so the Federation Torps can explode inside the IoM ships.

the sheer size of IoM ships would be still able to take quite a bit of damage before being crippled.

this tactic would also require the Feds knowing exactly where all the vulnerable bits of a IoM ship are.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 19:44:08

Post by: Clumpski

Terminus wrote:

Clumpski wrote:fair enoug this sounds far fetched but so did having mobile phone that had 2ghz processors in them 20 years go

Actually, we still don't have that, although it's not too far off. A few of the new phones do have two 1Ghz cores, however. [/quote

just a reference to some american/british army tech phone ive seen and since military forces are generally 12 years ahead of current technology would it supprise you?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 19:55:17

Post by: AlmightyWalrus

Grey Templar wrote:Ok, so the Federation Torps can explode inside the IoM ships.

the sheer size of IoM ships would be still able to take quite a bit of damage before being crippled.

this tactic would also require the Feds knowing exactly where all the vulnerable bits of a IoM ship are.

Subspace scanning technology solves that.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/13 20:21:37

Post by: Gibbsey

IoM ship gets wrecked and enemy's breach warp drive, enemys get sucked into warp. IoM then goes back to fighting xenos/chaos.

Not likely but hey it could work

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 01:51:50

Post by: Grey Templar

and it isn't unknown for the Captain of a crippled ship to deliberatly implode his warp drive.


it's how Hive Fleet Leviathan was destroyed.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 03:27:11

Post by: Terminus

Even if we assume the Trek ships can deliver each one of their missiles dead on target and destroy one ship per missile, they'll be long out of missiles before even 1% of the Imperial Forces are depleted.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 03:55:31

Post by: Grey Templar

I think the primary strength that 40k has, and a weakness of other sci-fi universes, is in the realm of Psycological warfare.


the IoM couldn't be defeated quickly under any circumstances, and that itself would erode the will of other factions to fight. the Impierium makes war over centuries if needed and they have the capability to do it.

the Federation, having a core of citizens that leave realitivly sheltered lives, wouldn't be able to do warfare on the scale and time the IoM does. they would get tired and surrender, likely within 20-30 years.

the star wars factions face a similer problem. the Old Republic wen't a thousand years without a galactic scale war(no small miracle in itself) and so would have very little stomach for a long scale war. they barely liked one that only involved using Clones as soldiers. a war with the IoM would suck up the capacity to produce clones and would require using normal people.

the Empire? the war with the Seperatists and Rebels could hardly be called a real war, at least by 40k standards. the Empire lacked a source of true Military ability. with the main Government not having had an army for more then a couple of decades, there wasn't time for them to perfect the art of war.


the IoM has waged war, in a galaxy of only war, for 10,000 years and has another 15,000+ years of Human existance among the stars to draw upon. the IoM also has 1 million worlds to draw upon for resources and men. the GE has about that many planets, but there isn't any free access to the material even with the Emperor's dominion. everything has a political implication in SW.

the same can be said of the Federation who are in an even worse position then the IoM as far as resources go. although one could point out that Star Trek takes place in the Dark Age of Technology and as such has already lost to 40k in a sense.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 04:52:59

Post by: DarthSpader

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick can freeze time and space. I don't care who or what you are. If your frozen in space time, you can't do gak. Ergo, chuck norris wins. And no, omnipotent /chaos/ old one BS won't work. Chucks beard has an "anti supreme being interference field" built in. It nullifies said beings power, and forces it's head into prime position for a roundhouse kick up it's own arse.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 05:55:56

Post by: Grey Templar

We disqualified Chuck from the competition.


We, after all, want a real competition and Chuck's kicks lead to only one conclusion...

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 12:38:11

Post by: AndrewC

Grey Templar wrote:sorry, It's from the Void Shield entry on Lexicanum.

But it's only one option out of 3 from an 'unofficial' ie non GW site. While it may be correct, it is not officially canon.

Species bla bla bla.... would a still be screwed. just virus bomb them from orbit.

As someone else has pointed out, they belong to another dimension in which 'space' is a fluid. Essentially an infinite ocean. There is nothing to virus bomb. Also their ships are essentially one 'man' fighters, which when combined (I can't remember how many it was, I think it was about 9) are capable of destroying a planet.

Could they defeat the IoM, I doubt it, the IoM is simply too big. Could IoM defeat them? No chance, and they would get their backsides kicked in the process. No void shields, engines not working properly, batteries flooding and missile tubes useless (or as near to as to make no difference).

Cheers

Andrew




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Terminus wrote:Even if we assume the Trek ships can deliver each one of their missiles dead on target and destroy one ship per missile, they'll be long out of missiles before even 1% of the Imperial Forces are depleted.

That is only correct if we assume that IoM can bring every ship to bear at the same time.

To put it another way, if I take 1 hour to build a torp that will destroy an IoM ship, then I will never be defeated as long as I only encounter 1 ship an hour. If I encounter 2, I'm screwed. I don't think that the IoM could bring it's entire forces to bear at the same time though. So the Federation could actually defend itself against the IoM.

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 15:29:53

Post by: AlmightyWalrus

Terminus wrote:Even if we assume the Trek ships can deliver each one of their missiles dead on target and destroy one ship per missile, they'll be long out of missiles before even 1% of the Imperial Forces are depleted.

Which is what I've been saying all along. Once the Federation runs out of torpedoes, they have to get the raw materials to make new ones from somewhere. Once that "somewhere" is destroyed by a Cyclonic torpedo, there's not much they can do.

Unless...

I'm gonna need help from someone who's more of a Trekkie than me on this one, just how does the replicator systems work? Because if it's one form of matter into another, or energy into matter, then the Federation actually stands a chance of winning, even if it would take a silly amount of time...

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 16:25:19

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

ok so what is species 8472 ???? and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger and would take a massive amount of beating before they would be damaged enough to destroy even one wepon and pu-lease SM versus storm troopers is well a slaughter but against trecky peps with "phasers" well a direct hit dosent always kill a normal human but one bolt round will nicely also klingon blades would do nothing against SM power armour but most boarding actions are by veterans in TERMINATOR ARMOUR



also where are trecks dreadnoughts ????????????

SW has walkers and realy rubbish tanks but one dred and they'd be obliterated with every "trooper" empire or rebel within a mile radius would be dead with half of him missing or crushed beyond recognition


also don't think of using FTL drives because they travel way to fast to target anything appart from ships moving at those speeds also there is a fleet for every chapter and more than one for some and they have exterminatus yup dethstar in a faster better warp capable ship


and if 40K can't stop some WAAAAGHS what chance does any other universe have treck is too ethical and wimpy and SW dosent have enough people :thought: oh none

one more if we eliminate all omnipotent biengs no one has a chance against 40K because treck has to persuade the Q's to get involved in the first place and since they are bored with existance and have explored everything the warp would prove quite interesting.


I rest my case

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 16:28:34

Post by: Grey Templar

the Replicator, IIRC, just turns matter from one form/element into another.

naturally, certain Elements take more basic matter then others. it takes more mass to make Uranium then Helium etc.


One a side note: for the purposes of this comparason, we assume the entire resources of one faction are pitted against the entirety of the other. the IoM can commit their entire Navy and the IG into facing their foe. the Feds don't have to worry about anything else, no Klingons, no other Alien species and can commit 100% of their forces too.



The Feds would run out of Mass to make space ships from. The IoM can attack from any angle too. Warp Travel isn't restricted by planetary bodies and celestial phenomona, FTL is.

the IoM could just show up at the Feds lightly defended home front and just rape them. the Feds can perform hit and run attacks, but if their planets are being attacked they will be forced to stand and fight with predictable outcomes.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 16:32:57

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

uuuur that was what i was trying to say in shorter terms but that also makes more sense

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 16:34:46

Post by: Gibbsey

DarthSpader wrote:A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick can freeze time and space. I don't care who or what you are. If your frozen in space time, you can't do gak. Ergo, chuck norris wins. And no, omnipotent /chaos/ old one BS won't work. Chucks beard has an "anti supreme being interference field" built in. It nullifies said beings power, and forces it's head into prime position for a roundhouse kick up it's own arse.

Chuck Norris wrote:Noone can dodge my roundhouse kic-CREEEEEEEEDDD

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Grey Templar wrote:the Replicator, IIRC, just turns matter from one form/element into another.

naturally, certain Elements take more basic matter then others. it takes more mass to make Uranium then Helium etc.


One a side note: for the purposes of this comparason, we assume the entire resources of one faction are pitted against the entirety of the other. the IoM can commit their entire Navy and the IG into facing their foe. the Feds don't have to worry about anything else, no Klingons, no other Alien species and can commit 100% of their forces too.



The Feds would run out of Mass to make space ships from. The IoM can attack from any angle too. Warp Travel isn't restricted by planetary bodies and celestial phenomona, FTL is.

the IoM could just show up at the Feds lightly defended home front and just rape them. the Feds can perform hit and run attacks, but if their planets are being attacked they will be forced to stand and fight with predictable outcomes.

I thought there was certain things tehy could not replicate like fuel (trilithium?, too unstable? i know other things they jsut make illegal to replicate like valuble ore etc)

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 16:38:41

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

but still IoM would rape them

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 16:59:45

Post by: AndrewC

Grey Templar wrote:the Replicator, IIRC, just turns matter from one form/element into another.

naturally, certain Elements take more basic matter then others. it takes more mass to make Uranium then Helium etc.

Unfortunately it can't replicate really useful things, especially for the purpose of this thread, like photon torps. Antimatter can't be replicated.

Ultrasmurf_no_Really wrote:ok so what is species 8472 ???? and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger and would take a massive amount of beating before they would be damaged

You dont know who/what they are but can make that statement?

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 17:20:13

Post by: Grey Templar

Ok, so Species bla bla can't be defeated. they can't win either. stalemate.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 17:26:39

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

FINE ill google it


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SM would still win

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:13:28

Post by: Simo429

The best of the Empires storm troopers lost to a bunch of muppets with sticks and bows and arrows, somehow I don't think the Emperors finest would make the same mistakes.


Yub Yub

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:18:33

Post by: Gibbsey

Simo429 wrote:The best of the Empires storm troopers lost to a bunch of muppets with sticks and bows and arrows, somehow I don't think the Emperors finest would make the same mistakes.


Yub Yub

Yep, we all have to remember the Empire was taken down by EWOKS

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:20:00

Post by: Simo429

Whenever I think about Jedi I am always reminded of the beginning of Chasing Amy


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As for the federation, there star ships are tiny compared to the Imperiums or even the Star Destroyers of the star wars universe.

Just drive into the thing

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:25:57

Post by: Asherian Command

Not their biggest ships in starwars, those things are 50 kilometres. of course they only ever had one or two of them >.> and the imperium's largest ship is the Battle Barges as they vary in sizes.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:28:27

Post by: Simo429

Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:32:37

Post by: Grey Templar

Yes, SSDS are approx 3 times the size of the largest IoM ship, but there weren't many of them.


even at the intended deployment numbers(1 per Imperial fleet) they couldn't have done much.

the IoM would only ever have met 1 at a time and that would be a no contest to 4-5 Emperor/Retribution... class ships.


the Escorts and bomber squadrons would tend to any Star Destroyers and smaller ships. the Capital ships would concentrate on the SSD.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:33:03

Post by: Asherian Command

Simo429 wrote:Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

Have you not read this thread? The Imperium does have moon sized ships. The Ports of the Imperium in Space are space combat worthy >.< They mean't for docking with Emperor Class Ships and such and have Heavy weapons that basically break through ships with no problem.
The Dahaks blah. Face an entire fleet of imperial ships send one ship in with its warp drive set to self destruct and bye bye enemies.

to quote rouge trader http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=1875

Torpedoes

While the “go-to” weapons of voidships in the 41st Millennium are macro-batteries and lances, warships often carry more potent firepower. For example, Imperial Navy warships often rely on salvos of torpedoes to destroy their opponents. Roughly sixty metres long and equipped with a powerful plasma warhead able to punch through the toughest warship armour, torpedoes are guided by a crude and murderous machine-spirit. Ships often launch them in salvos of up to half a dozen, and once launched they use a variety of sensors to locate potential targets and alter course for interception (and destruction). Though they are technically guided, their limited augur range means in stellar terms, they are line of effect weapons. However, even the threat of a torpedo salvo is enough to scatter opposing squadrons and throw battle lines into disarray.

Attack Craft

Like torpedoes, attack craft are often limited to the Imperial Navy, due to the considerable costs of maintaining large squadrons of starfighters and bombers. However, for those Rogue Traders able to afford it, attack craft prove a potent weapon in one’s arsenal.

The principle advantage of attack craft is their versatility. Their range means they can strike targets well out of reach of a macrobattery or lance, and their independence means they can pursue targets on their own volition. Once launched, their carrier can pursue other targets, while the attack craft hunt down their chosen foe.

However, attack craft do have one significant trade-off. The space required for hanger bays is often immense—starships find they often have to sacrifice the options for other weapons in order to carry them. Often, this makes a carrier without its attack craft a tempting target.

There are three main types of attack craft: fighters, bombers, and assault boats. Fighters, such as the Imperial Fury, are relatively small space-going craft, with a small crew and anti-attack craft weaponry. Multiple banks of lascannons and triple-linked plasma cannons can do little to harm a voidship, but can tear through other attack craft. Thus, a starfighter’s job is two-fold, intercepting enemy attack craft and escorting friendly bombers and assault boats to their target.

Bombers such as the Imperial Starhawk are slow and lumbering, with a large payload of anti-ship krak bombs and plasma missiles. Their weapons are too cumbersome to be used against starfighters, but can do immense damage to larger warships. Thus, bombers are almost exclusively deployed against voidships.

Assault boats such as the Imperial Shark also attack voidships, but their payload is raiders and soldiers, rather than bombs. These attack craft affix themselves to the hull of an enemy voidship and disgorge hordes of crack troops into its vitals. They do as much damage as possible with bombs and sabotage before fleeing back to the assault boats and escaping.


Nova Cannons

One of the most fearsome weapons in a voidship’s arsenal is the dreaded Nova Cannon. Unwieldy, slow to fire, and expensive to utilize, they are nevertheless sought avidly by those Rogue Traders wealthy enough to afford one. The reason is simply because even a near miss by a Nova Cannon can cripple a ship. A direct hit can crack a voidship’s hull in half.

Using gravimetric impellers, Nova Cannons fire potent warheads at near-relativistic speeds over immense distances. The target has almost no time to react—the warhead can detonate only seconds after they detect the firing. However, the detonation of the warhead must be carefully timed. Too soon or too late, and the warhead explodes harmlessly far from the target.

Even more so than torpedoes, Nova Cannon ammunition is hideously expensive, and requires purchase. In addition, the weapons fire slowly and have a fixed minimum range (too close and they could easily destroy their own ship). However, when one has enough firepower to scour the face of a planet, one tends to see such concerns as trivial.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:40:29

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Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 18:49:36

Post by: Asherian Command

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

What about the nova cannons?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 19:02:11

Post by: Gibbsey

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 21:16:53

Post by: AlmightyWalrus

Gibbsey wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

If we're gonna be like that: but if the Borg assimilated some Necron tech...

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 22:10:49

Post by: Razgryz

The borg meet the Adeptus Mechanicus, and are accepted into the Machine Cult. They acnowledge the Omnissiah as the pure blend of Machine and Organic, and are hidden away on Mars for the next 10k years.

Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

Q meets the Chaos gods.....and has a party, finally being entertained for the first time in millenia. The Emperor chaperones.

The Starfleet ships are defeated not by weapons.....but by ramming, a single dominion fighter was able to destroy a Galaxy-class starship by ramming, so what do you think a Emperor-class Battleship would do to anything in Star Trek? Or Star Wars for that matter? Death Stars are simply boarded (like thats so very hard to do) and taken over from the inside.

The GE meets the Tyranids......and gets eaten. Even the IoM can't do more than slowly retreat in the face of them.

Orks fare about the same against the GE as they do against the IoM. Star Trek fails against the WAAAAAGH!!

The Tau meet Star Trek, and convert them to the Greater Good.

Dark Eldar show up and make good friends with the Klingons and Romulans, then proceed to go make fun of the Sith.

Eldar dance around and look pretty, and get ignored by everyone cause they aren't a real power anymore.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 22:16:26

Post by: BlackMath

This is so easy. Original Star Trek wins in a fight because of Kirk. He is unstoppable.
Observe:

If the thing he is fighting is male, he gives it the Kirk Chop, Kirk Axe-handle, or the Kirk Drop-kick for the win.

If its any kind of machine, he talks it to death by catching it in a logic trap and making it short circuit (including Data). Win.

If it's female, he seduces her. Win.

Kirk is the most powerful fictional character of all time.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 22:45:28

Post by: AndrewC

Razgryz wrote:Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

No, but two thoughts on that, one, it would be like detonating a bomb when your standing next to it, two considering the density and complexity of their DNA there is a strong chance they wouldn't even notice.

Thats not to say your suggestion wouldn't work, its just not the surefire suggestion you think it is.

Gibbsey wrote:but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

Then one species is in for a very big shock, I just can't decide which one.....

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 23:31:29

Post by: Razgryz

AndrewC wrote:

Razgryz wrote:Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

No, but two thoughts on that, one, it would be like detonating a bomb when your standing next to it, two considering the density and complexity of their DNA there is a strong chance they wouldn't even notice.

Thats not to say your suggestion wouldn't work, its just not the surefire suggestion you think it is.

Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 23:43:03

Post by: Grey Templar

Virus's wouldn't be impeded by DNA density.

in fact, it might accelerate the spread.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 23:52:17

Post by: IvanTih

Chaos and Necrons stomp SW,ST(actually every faction could school mortal ST races) hard,but Chuck Norris wins in the end.
We're debating this on the another forum by the way.Warhammer 40k is the second in the firepower,Chuck is on the first place. http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=180768

Only hard evidence for 40k is 560 gigaton torpedo(it took 300 of those to destroy a space hulk,In Caves of Ice they would sterilise an entire planet(hint:it requires at minimum 2-20 teratons per salvo),in Nemesis Vengeful Spirit has energy cannons capable of boiling oceans and torpedoes which can "atomise" an entire continents in a single shot,ST does measly megatons).
SW firepower is really all over the place(if we use ICS high end(which have been disproved a long time ago) they can go toe to toe with 40k,without it they lose badly to my knowledge).


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Da Boss wrote:One universe I think could kick the ever living snot out of any of those is Ian M. Banks Culture. They'd just win.

QFT.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/14 23:59:34

Post by: Gibbsey

Razgryz wrote:Eldar dance around and look pretty, and get ignored by everyone cause they aren't a real power anymore.

BlackMath wrote:This is so easy. Original Star Trek wins in a fight because of Kirk. He is unstoppable.
Observe:

If the thing he is fighting is male, he gives it the Kirk Chop, Kirk Axe-handle, or the Kirk Drop-kick for the win.

If its any kind of machine, he talks it to death by catching it in a logic trap and making it short circuit (including Data). Win.

If it's female, he seduces her. Win.

Kirk is the most powerful fictional character of all time.

William Shatner wrote:Bridge on the Captain

http://www.trekweb.com/articles/2008/05/11/Bridge-on-the-Captain-William-Shatner-Tells-His-Own-Story-Up-Till-Now.shtml

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 01:05:58

Post by: ChocolateGork

Simo429 wrote:Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

Those were awesome books. But the problem with them is they had no one to man all of their ships.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 01:08:54

Post by: IvanTih

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

If we're gonna be like that: but if the Borg assimilated some Necron tech...

If they manage to even touch the Necrons before getting destroyed.
If 40k and ST ships met in combat,40k would come as victorious.Why?Because ST ship's weaponry would only be a small annoyance.Also when do we see warp strafing in ST?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 14:02:03

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

yeah also the size of the IoM they could zerg rush everything against them even 8472 tyranids and bio bombs thats them done IG rush startreck done MEQ take starwars done and everything else is taken from behind by orks dark eldar and choas

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 21:36:19

Post by: AndrewC

Razgryz wrote:Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

As I tried to point out earlier, 8472 belongs to a different dimension, Virus Bombs were developed in this dimension, they may not even work. The virus attacks the host organism causing a breakdown in 'life support', IIRC 8472 activily attacked such pathogens with its' own DNA, going to the extremes that Harry Kim was almost killed when he was infected with some of their DNA, {scratched I think}

Your statement may be right, but it could also be completely wrong.

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 22:25:34

Post by: Epicwargamer

Um... the Emperor of Man's name is actually Carlos Ray Norris. He went by 'Chuck' in his college years. This question is faulty.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 22:30:47

Post by: danp164

40K would win easily, Games Workshop would simply nerf everyone else to make the Space Marines look more awesome.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/15 23:02:37

Post by: IvanTih

AndrewC wrote:

Razgryz wrote:Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

As I tried to point out earlier, 8472 belongs to a different dimension, Virus Bombs were developed in this dimension, they may not even work. The virus attacks the host organism causing a breakdown in 'life support', IIRC 8472 activily attacked such pathogens with its' own DNA, going to the extremes that Harry Kim was almost killed when he was infected with some of their DNA, {scratched I think}

Your statement may be right, but it could also be completely wrong.

Cheers

Andrew

They can always be ass rap** by the shotcannons or lasguns.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/16 00:43:01

Post by: Grey Templar

danp164 wrote:40K would win easily, Games Workshop would simply nerf everyone else to make the Space Marines look more awesome.

I think this statement wins the Thread

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/16 01:23:18

Post by: Terminus

BuFFo wrote:

tomjoad wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:The om nom bit

but seriously why would anyone whant starwars to win ???

Because of all the options given, Star Wars has the best movies, video games, writing, acting and etcetera?

I know you are only referring to the original three movies in their original 'non lucas touched' hands, right? Once you start to include the time period including the last 3rd of Return of the Jedi, because of the Ewoks, to anything Lucas has ever destroyed, your foundation of 'best anything' falls apart.

On topic... Star Trek wins if you include the Q Continuum. 40k wins if you don't include the Q Continuum.

I actually don't mind Ewoks terribly much, since in my mind I imagine them to be Wookies. I understand the difficulties in logistics/cost they encountered trying to find a bunch of giants to fit huge monkey suits, instead of hollowing out a bunch of teddy bears and sticking in them the same midgets that played the Jawas.

Everything else he's been personally involved in since then, however, is an abomination.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/16 02:05:59

Post by: Grey Templar

Did you know that the Ewoks were originally going to be Wookies?

they couldn't find enough tall people to fill suits and settled for midgets



Other the Star Wars, Lucas's films have been pretty rubbish. all his film buddies too.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/19 19:41:14

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

So its settled 40 k wins

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/19 20:21:31

Post by: AlmightyWalrus

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:So its settled 40 k wins

Except no.

No one wins, since we have to set up arbitrary limits on what gets to fight from what universe and what doesn't.


Also, come on, this really is silly.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/19 20:22:22

Post by: Gibbsey

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Also, come on, this really is silly.

Just so you know the thread title is "40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris"

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/19 20:39:18

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

Yeah you signed up for silly when you posted here




and greytemplar i think its all v all (only between thier respective universes that is)

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/19 23:38:46

Post by: Dogface 76

This isnt to say that Star Trek wins.....but whats stopping the Federation Ships (not to mention Klingon, Romulan, Hydran, Gorn....) from just beaming all of the IoM and Star Wars Crews into outer space when the shooting starts.....

"Were within range Captain.......Beam the bridge crew into space......" Done...

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/20 04:31:22

Post by: Terminus

Some crap about beaming being blocked by shields.

Essentially, the conclusion of this thread is that Q is awesome and the Federation is a bunch of chumps. Considering the entire Next Generation show was about that, I'm not shocked.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/20 22:17:10

Post by: AndrewC

While this probably has absolutely no relevance to the matter at hand, after finding this, Star Trek has a boost.




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I didn't even know this existed.

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/21 01:46:17

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/21 12:56:36

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

Yeah but we said no omnipotents :(

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/21 14:11:52

Post by: Gibbsey

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Yeah but we said no omnipotents :(

Then why is Chuck Norris in the title?

Clearly Chuck is so omnipotent he over rules that rule, but thats not very fair on the others

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/21 16:42:27

Post by: darthmatty

Chuck Norris FTW

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/22 14:33:16

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

No just No chuck isn't omnipotent he sued the creator of his own awsome jokes

he is only one man and can't actualy do much aswell as bieng old he has a beard that promethium would make short work of.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/22 15:20:21

Post by: Asherian Command

Guys Chuck Norris is not a god. He's just a regular guy. He lost his powers when he sued the guy who made his jokes.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/22 16:02:10

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

YES SO 40K WINS (with heavy losses form star wars) and losing the eldar and tau to star treck but no-one likes them anyway !!

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/22 16:40:37

Post by: Conservationist

This thread should be renamed 40k mortals vs SW vs ST mortals. Otherwise there would be too many 'what ifs' in the equation. Bringing in all the mortal races, making them all allies and pitting them against the others. 40k would win by sheer numbers, with millions of battleships and (insert numbers) trillions of guardsmen and SM. I havent even begun on the Tyranids (all Hive fleets have been vanguards) and Orks. SW would be crushed in a matter of years and ST would be out of the equation. Think about it in a rational way.

No matter what you throw at the 40k universe it would win in the end.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/22 17:39:57

Post by: AlmightyWalrus

Conservationist wrote:No matter what you throw at the 40k universe it would win in the end.

...omega particle?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/22 22:01:42

Post by: AndrewC

.....couldn't be weaponised unfortunately.

The existence of the particle in canon is not sufficient.

Lets face it, this is a 40K website, not a Star Wars or Star Trek website. Who do you think most posters will support?

Using all available canon, and GW thought processes, the answer is ...no one. There is only war.

When was the last time GW wrote out a faction?

Cheers

Andrew

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 01:41:03

Post by: Terminus

Asherian Command wrote:Guys Chuck Norris is not a god. He's just a regular guy. He lost his powers when he sued the guy who made his jokes.

Sadly, this is true.

Also, his real name is Carlos. The Emperor of Mankind > Carlos.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 01:46:57

Post by: Asherian Command

Yeah. Plus if we had Emperor vs anything in the star trek universe = dead.
Sorry but The Emperor would just with a thought kill anything.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 01:52:30

Post by: ZacktheChaosChild

The Chaos Gods alone (along with other and arguably more powerful being in 40k) could easily beat Jedis, and the force. I don't see what guys in Star Trek could do either.

40K.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 01:58:39

Post by: Gavo

I just want to see the Star Trek fleet suddenly grind to a halt when Daemons spill out from the warp and OMGWTFBBQ them.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 15:16:56

Post by: Conservationist

Imean 40k would win no matter what, to me the fiction that comes out of it (BL) is better than ST or SW, they have more complex races and some many ambiguous endings that promote creativity. I don't see ST or Sw being able to top that.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 15:45:30

Post by: Grey Templar

It's more real.

40k promotes creativity within the boundries that have been set by the opening passage to every written publication related to it.



40k isn't as guilty of having outrageous technology as other sci-fi.

40k's laser(and plasma) weapons are actually Hydrogen Plasma pulses projected down a magnetic tunnel(something that, in theory, works)

40k vehicles use fossil fuels(promethiem)

there are Hovercraft in 40k using some sort of anti-grav technology. this isn't completely unplausable, it is possable for scientists to discover what exactly causes gravity and find a counter for it.


Star Wars and Star Trek simply sound off some vauge explainations of how their technology works instead of taking existing technology and theories and building on those.

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 17:37:44

Post by: AlmightyWalrus

Seriously, some of you guys, is it too much to ask for you to read the entire thread before coming to the same conclusions as someone else four pages ago?

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/23 20:19:12

Post by: Clumpski

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Seriously, some of you guys, is it too much to ask for you to read the entire thread before coming to the same conclusions as someone else four pages ago?

didn't i pretty much do that a few pages ago as it stands? X)

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40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris @ 2011/01/24 15:52:28

Post by: Ultrasmurf_no_REALY

Seriously, some of you guys, is it too much to ask for you to read the entire thread before coming to the same conclusions as someone else a few posts ago?


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But yeah alright one on one all of the biengs in 40K vs thier equivalents is a better question