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Post by: shadowseer92
here are the new space wolves
i have no idea of how to upload pics so i'll just give a link
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=1705
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Post by: jp400
broken links
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Post by: Kanluwen
Oh wow, hot.
I think I just found my first Power Armor army, those Terminators are gorgeous.
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Post by: Kragura
That last one on the wolf is just ...wow
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Very nice, the wolf rider is abit warmachine ott for me but the rest are spot on.
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Post by: dogma
OMG, that wolf is...terrible.
I don't want my space Viking riding a lolcat.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Damn,I am going to need alot of grey paint.They're too cool not to start,well in my eyes anyway.I agree with MGS thoughts on the wolf rider though.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Darn double post.
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Post by: Flachzange
Thats one big ass wolf.
These actually look kinda nice. Cept for that Terminator cape. That seems to be a bit huge.
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Post by: Savnock
dogma wrote:OMG, that wolf is...terrible.
I don't want my space Viking riding a lolcat.
Good one- LMAO!
Looks like it could be fixed with a little GS to elongate the muzzle.
The rider looks ace, though.
If one can field a whole army of those termies, I know which kits are going on my Christmas wishlist.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
For the link-lazy, here are the other pics.
The Terminators look nice, if I wouldn't play Nurgle I'd use them for a CSM army.
Those guys are just...unimpressive.
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Post by: LunaHound
Report the wolf's owner to SPCA , hes been OVER FED.
I mean look at it , its barely able to run like a normal canine ... heart failure in 3 , 2 , nooooooooooo...
Advice: Buy Chaos marauder calvary's head . They are way better than these clowns with bad teeth
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Post by: Kanluwen
$10 says Forge World will have heads ready to go at the launch.
Their Space Wolf Terminator kits are absolutely gorgeous, and it almost looks like they CAD'd it for the new ones.
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Post by: warpcrafter
I just did several numbers in my pants at the sight of that wolf-rider. The space wolves will be mine. No powder-blue paint though. Perhaps more of a slate grey, something of a successor chapter. Aroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Sidstyler
The terminator with the cape: badass.
The guy riding a wolf: lmao are you freaking serious? Maybe that's the reason why they've been tight-lipped about the new releases, because they look ridiculous!
If I ever played against an army that featured those things in any great numbers I'd probably be too busy laughing to actually play the game. I know that sounds hypocritical coming from a guy who plays with crisis suits (one of the worst Tau kits), but...at least I'm not fielding lolcats.
Alright, I kid...really though, the wolf's head and expression really let the model down.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Sweet plastics. Finally a pair of lightning claws and a thunder hammer for power armoured arms.
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Post by: Snord
The giant wolf just looks wrong. I don't have a problem with giant wolves in principle, but the sculptor dropped the ball. It's interesting how often GW flub their animal sculpts. And as this one's so big that the flaws are very obvious. To sell the idea of something that can carry a massive Space Wolf, it should have had loads of bionics. I guess we'll see a talented modeller do something better in due course, but there's no way I'd want to field this model.
The Termies look great though. They seem to capture the presence and dynamism that Space Wolf models need (as depicted on the codex cover, which I think is one of the best they've done for a long time). I think the fact that Terminator armour is bulkier helps - the models in power armour look a bit puny by comparision, especially around the hips and legs (although I like the various heads and other bits).
Incidentally, FW already produce a set of Space Wolf Terminator bits. They are beautifully sculpted, and one of them would make a great commander for a Space Wolf army.
Does anyone know if they are doing a Space Wolf Terminator set, with customised parts, or do we just use the Space Wolf sprue to modify basic plastic Termies?
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Post by: bejustorbedead
Oh Juan Diaz... what happened?
Remember when you did the old daemonettes, before they caught a case of the fuglies?
And that great old Emperor's Champion model?
Why are these so slowed? That first dude is wearing Hulk Hands he painted blue, and those faces are just... eargh. Especially that guy with the creepy-uncle-you-caught-leering-at-you expression.
And yeah... that giant "wolf."
...
Yeah. I'm just going to pretend I didn't see these.
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Post by: Sirius42
All cool (especially stormcaller) except the character with plasma pistol/lc, and the giant wolf, from the photos they kinda suck but i'll reserve judgement until i've seen them in the flesh, or at least in the not blurry.
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Post by: JD21290
I know that sounds hypocritical coming from a guy who plays with crisis suits (one of the worst Tau kits), but...at least I'm not fielding lolcats.
Yes, they have lolcats, but you have close combat impared space fish
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Tailgunner wrote:It's interesting how often GW flub their animal sculpts.
That's truth, if anyone wants to become bulemic, just picture in your mind's eye that horrific stag they did for the Mud Elves, or that gakky looking unicorn for the fantasy french lady...
BTW, if you want to see how a wolf should be sculpted, take a look at gamezoneminiatures goblin cavalry... sweet and not obese...
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Post by: Forlorne
I liked the big wolf :O
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Post by: Emmkay
Two handed frost axes! It's about time, always though the old one looked a bit naff.
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Post by: Scottywan82
SO I have a theory for you all.
Canis Wolfborn is a wolf lord of another great company. Look how he's got the same red on him as some of those terminators.
Any guesses as to what his great company marking is?
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Post by: Symbio Joe
Is it just me or turned lightning claws from big to goofy big?
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Post by: migsula
A lot of great new bitz is what the scene deserved and seems to get along with a new rules set. The hobbyists of the world will show us great things from these ingridients - even if the overall impact of the new releases is a little "meh" in comparison to Space Hulk for example. The big wolf is the worst of the lot IMO. The Plasti kits look very promising, while all of Diaz's work always looks a lot better IRL.
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Post by: Demogerg
Overall I am very pleased.
The power armor marines have much more beard, something that has been woefully missing from any/all non character space marines since the dawn of time. they also have different poses from the standard marine box set, always good for making each model as unique as possible.
The terminators look Great. Super ornate and ostentatious, these are Wolf Guard, heroes of the chapter, with many deeds under there belts and trophies to show off. I will end up getting at least 10 of these guys. (to bump me up to about 40 wolf guard terminator models, rofl)
Im on the fence with the Wolf-riding character. The wolf doesnt look scrawny and unable to support his weight, which was something I was worried about, but I agree with the above that the head on the wolf does not look right. The hero riding the wolf looks ok as well, I like the grizzled vetern feel to him.
Njal Stormcaller is amazing, well detailed with touches from the former model, note the pistol holster and staff are almost identical to the last models (sweeeeet) the face seems a bit off, but faces are hard to do, so no worries. I will be very happy to display this model next to the original.
The twin lightning claw wolf guard model, I already have it, it was a limited release a while back (I am guessing to test for demand for new, good Space Wolf models) and I must say that it is one of my favorite models in my army, (the non-converted ones at least)
I also like the trickster, I am going to convert the base to take advantage of the lifted-leg pose. Also, the Tricksters face has a Great level of character to it, it really looks like what I imagined Loki to look like, without being OTT, funky, or too muted.
I also really like the oversized "wolf-claws"
I have a theme going for my nid and space wolf armies around their power weps, frost weps, and claws....
The weapons of the Space Wolves were crafted from the teeth of the Giant Kraken on fenris, which is an ancient Tyranid beast left behind from the hive fleet that is now scattered among the stars drifting on Space Hulks.
I have painted all my nids with a blue-ice blue-white fade on their claws and teeth, and Ive used the same exact scheme for all the bladed weapons on my Space Wolves.
Overall, this is going to be an expensive release for me.
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Post by: Wolfstan
Bugger! Looks like I could be making a return to 40k :(
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Post by: Stygian Mole
So much beard! So much axe! I am speechless.
To any and all wolf players, we rock... Just so
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Post by: warboss
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/253030.page
they were posted yesterday in the only space wolf thread on the front page when you put this up. you might want to do a quick search before posting.
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Post by: Shaman
I must be the only one unimpressed.. Maybe they'll look better in the flesh
Automatically Appended Next Post: warboss wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/253030.page
they were posted yesterday in the only space wolf thread on the front page when you put this up. you might want to do a quick search before posting.
Only die hards mine those 10 page lonmg threads..
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Post by: TBD
You are definitely not the only one.
All the metal models shown are garbage except for Njall, Imo.
And like I already said, I hate animal heads, tails and furs on models. Absolutely hate it. That's personal taste of course, and if you don't mind all of that they are absolutely great models (the plastics). I will look at the sprues, and if they are not separate pieces or too hard to remove I am not buying. For the troops box it looks good, but I'm not so sure about the stupid&useless fur loincloths 3 of the Terminators' legs have.
Apparently there are a lot of heads included, so it will be possible to built squads that look entirely different from the ones shown without all the bearded hobo heads.
Overall they did come up with a very good concept that stands out from the other Marine armies. They just went a little too far with all the ornaments and facial hair. Automatically Appended Next Post: Shaman wrote:Only die hards mine those 10 page lonmg threads..
To be honest, at the time this thread was posted the pictures were on the last or second to last page of the other thread. Not something that bothers me that much, but it is true that a lot of people just post away without looking first.
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Post by: Shaman
TBD wrote:
To be honest, at the time this thread was posted the pictures were on the last or second to last page of the other thread. Not something that bothers me that much, but it is true that a lot of people just post away without looking first.
But you guys (TBD & Warboss) are die hards like I said.. generally a thread that long is just ranting.. I would'nt have seen these without this thread.
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Post by: Lord of battles
OMG OMG OMG OMG CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!1
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Post by: Master Llyons
Wow there goes all my money >< those plastics are amazing much better then the what like 5 heads we get with the old Space Wolf kits and those Terminators holy freaking snap!
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Post by: Orangecoke
Shaman wrote:TBD wrote:
To be honest, at the time this thread was posted the pictures were on the last or second to last page of the other thread. Not something that bothers me that much, but it is true that a lot of people just post away without looking first.
But you guys (TBD & Warboss) are die hards like I said.. generally a thread that long is just ranting.. I would'nt have seen these without this thread.
Same here. I'm glad a new thread was made to call these out specifically - they are noteworthy.
I'm not super impressed really. All the complains everyone mentioned (like the wolf head). I like Stormcaller but the rest are just so-so.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Shaman wrote:TBD wrote:
To be honest, at the time this thread was posted the pictures were on the last or second to last page of the other thread. Not something that bothers me that much, but it is true that a lot of people just post away without looking first.
But you guys (TBD & Warboss) are die hards like I said.. generally a thread that long is just ranting.. I would'nt have seen these without this thread.
I wouldn't go that far, but if a News&Rumors thread goes is that long it's usually discussion only. If new pics show up, they're worth a new thread in my humble opinion.
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Post by: warboss
Anung Un Rama wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, but if a News&Rumors thread goes is that long it's usually discussion only. If new pics show up, they're worth a new thread in my humble opinion.
agreed, if it was done by the first poster of the pics. now we have TWO separate discussions on the same thing (granted not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.. the economy, the axis of evil getting nukes, etc..) also, the OP didn't make the thread because he wanted to fork the discussion, he did it because he thought he had a "scoop" because he didn't bother to read the last one or two pages on a thread on the top part of the first page of the forum. that's bad forum etiquette that a new poster should be aware of. either way, last time i'll be chiming in on this...
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Post by: AdrianG
dogma wrote:OMG, that wolf is...terrible.
I don't want my space Viking riding a lolcat.

QFT.
That has got to be the worst mini of the bunch.
Reminds me of the 2nd Edition Wolf Characters
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Post by: Delephont
Oh, I'm over the moon here guys!!!
I was actually worried after seeing the Space Hulk minis that the Space Wolves would be something worth getting.....now my money and my affiliation with Infinity is well and truely safe!
These minis are typical GW (never seen a human body, or how it works!) sculpts. Its such a shame that they don't think to look at the rest of the market and apply some human proportion and geometry to their models.
These guys shouldn't be called Space Vikings, more like Space "old age pensioners"....whats with the faces on these dudes? And when will GW realise that a dynamic figure does not equal said character punching the air?
The Terminators look crap IMHO, sure they're not too far removed from the current Terminator range, but I was really hoping GW would extend their showcase.....
So all in all, my money is safe....  Yippee!
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Post by: Necros
How does the guy on the cat wolf thing grab the reins without slicing it's head off?
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Post by: His Master's Voice
God almight, one might think you'd been expecting gold plated pieces done my Michaelangelo. Yes, witht he exception of Njal, the metals are sub par but the plastics are perfectly fine for what they're supposed to be. If you don't like bling on your models go play Necrons, SW were always about clanging as you walk.
Or just paint some stock Marines grey.
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Post by: radiohazard
I don't like it, not one bit.
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Post by: Delephont
His Master's Voice wrote:God almight, one might think you'd been expecting gold plated pieces done my Michaelangelo. Yes, witht he exception of Njal, the metals are sub par but the plastics are perfectly fine for what they're supposed to be. If you don't like bling on your models go play Necrons, SW were always about clanging as you walk.
Or just paint some stock Marines grey.
Its not about the bling, its about the fact that GW pursues the Cartoon miniature sculpting, and its 1980's already!
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Post by: Anti-Mag
Just stopped laughing.
These models are hilarious. I don't know how anyone can put them on the table and not get laughed at. The guy with the twin lightning claws looks like he's having a very nasty trip. Beware, space logs can bring down the mightiest warriors.
As the wolf... how did this get through quality control?! Re-name the codex Space Wolves (and the Masters Of The Universe!!) and it'll all make sense.
Brilliant; that's made me laugh for a good ten minutes now.
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Post by: Nurglitch
What a lovely powder blue! It would go so well with some pastel wraps and scarfs!
I wonder if they like wolves...
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Delephont wrote:His Master's Voice wrote:God almight, one might think you'd been expecting gold plated pieces done my Michaelangelo. Yes, witht he exception of Njal, the metals are sub par but the plastics are perfectly fine for what they're supposed to be. If you don't like bling on your models go play Necrons, SW were always about clanging as you walk.
Or just paint some stock Marines grey.
Its not about the bling, its about the fact that GW pursues the Cartoon miniature sculpting, and its 1980's already!
There's nothing cartoon about the plastics, unless all Marines look cartoon for you (might be, nothing wrong with that) and thats what counts.
I suspect metal miniatures are less and less of a concern for GW. They make their profit on the boxes, not blisters so as long as theres a nominal new release, they're fine with it. I think the last metal models that I liked from GW were released way back during the Storm of Chaos.
Edit: New juggs and some of the orks were good too...
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Post by: Beast
I can't say I am impressed. GW has been doing a good job lately with their new kits, but these just don't do anything for me (and i usually like the SW theme). And true to form, the 40K universe continues to be a very shouty place... I don't think anyone in the Imperium is allowed to be seen when they aren't shouting.
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Post by: Delephont
I'm realistic in my expectations of GW and their "miniatures"...and yes, most, if not all their sculpts look cartoony to me.
When you compare their stock stuff to what could be produced (see Forge World) it makes my stomach churn.
I'm just bored with their standard fair, the ounching the fist into the air, the overly large bodies, armour that is anatomically impossible (have you seen the gap between the legs of a terminator!!!) and I just wonder what the sculptors think when they knock this stuff out? Do they stand back and say "yeah, we nailed it this time" or are they critical of their own work and hate working for GW and its ideal on how a body should be?
I could understand this level of sculpting when GW first started out, but when you look at what other companies are doing, not to mention independants like Hasslefree, and you just have to wonder if the market is blind, or is this what people want to paint and play with?
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Post by: swbruni
I was just at GW and saw the new sprues, they are great all new stuff... Sometime in Oct but they couldnot tell me A exact date.....
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Post by: Slinky
Underwhelmed.
The poses on the LC characters are nasty. Looks like the plastic kit has some good bits, with scope for a more minimalist SW army that would, IMHOm look a lot better.
As for the giant wolf beast. Oh dear.
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Post by: Anti-Mag
Anyone else think the wolf looks like it's performing at some sort of horse riding event?
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Post by: jp400
Yeah, sorry. Not impressed with them.
Think if I want space puppies that dont have the lol factor ill just paint my marines grey and add viking aftermarket heads.
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Post by: mattyboy22
swbruni wrote: I was just at GW and saw the new sprues, they are great all new stuff... Sometime in Oct but they couldnot tell me A exact date.....
I'm going to go with October 3rd since that's what all the pictures say
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Post by: Captain Vyper
I was just talking to some guy the other day about the Space Hulk Termi probably being the harald for the new termi sets for the non ultra chapters. Looks like I was right. It would not surprise me to see BA and DA termi spacific boxes out in the future. As for the wolfs....well I sold off a 2000+ point army about 2 years ago and thought when the new fig came out I would be tempted to buy them...not gonna happen. I just dont like them.
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Post by: Voronesh
Too much detail, i prefer clean cut lins. Flowing robes.
When a level of detail hides another level of detail, i get annoyed.
Yes i play DA for a reason ^^.
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Post by: Mastiff
Praise the Lord, those are bloody mediocre
Which is kinda good, now I won't need to replace any of my army. Juan Diaz really dropped the ball on these. I've been admiring so many of the SM leaders and characters that I'd missed over the last five years, and was pretty excited to see what they would do with the SW. Assuming Jes Goodwin's amazing Rune Priest as a standard, I knew I'd be blown away. Now, at first glance, it's like looking at Yosemite Sam in power armour.
At this point I'm hoping that perhaps some of the paint jobs are a bit off, and not displaying the models in their best light. Footit did a great job of Vulkan, and Diaz really nailed Khan. These plastics seem a bit off though. Too many overly-tall pony tails, and bright orange hair. Pale, unhealthy skin. I wish they'd desaturated the armour, taking the blue out of the grey and skipping the pure yellows. It seems they took a step back towards 2nd ed.
(edit: After my initial impression wore off, I took another look at the plastics, and they're great. Unfortunately, the 2nd ed. paintjobs DOES detract from the quality of the models)
The Winnebego-size wolf. Now admittedly, that's a tough concept to pull off. Done wrong, it's a ridiculous farce, but, ah, if they gave it to the right talent (Jes Goodwin), we'd all look at the results and wondered how we ever could have doubted such awesomeness!
Choosing to go with the Muppet-wolf, though a bold direction, kinda' landed smack-dab into farce territory. Wolves have much smaller chests that never drag on the ground. They're powerful but lean beasts, all muscle and teeth. The head is 2/3 too small for the proportion. AND ONLY MY LITTLE PONIES CROP THEIR TAILS TO BOUNCE LIKE THAT.
Just last night I figured how I was going to rep this model for my army, and thank Russ I did, 'cause this is offensive. I read in the WD last year how Jes Goodwin did a lot of research to get the DE Cold Ones just right; sculpting the skeleton and muscles for an accurate understanding of the reptile physiology. I picked upthe box just for the joy of painting well-sculpted beasts. In contrast I can only suspect Martin Footit heard a cracking rendition of The Three Little Pigs to learn all he needed to know about the biology of Canis Lupis; they have sufficient lung capacity to knock down a straw or wooden hut, yet slightly underpowered for blowing down fortified defences. Well, he nailed it. Wish he'd tracked down a photo or two though.
Seriously, I weep for GW.  With the near demise of Rackham, have they just stopped trying? For a while there they were really pushing the envelope, incorporating a gritty realism in their biology and technology. This is a serious drop in their standards.
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Post by: Voronesh
Ohh and that too the wolf just plain sucks.
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Post by: Clang
Wonderful plastics - do we know whether they're just the standard sprues plus the all-singing all-dancing SW sprue, or are they new recut SW-specific versions?
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Delephont wrote:I'm just bored with their standard fair, the ounching the fist into the air, the overly large bodies, armour that is anatomically impossible (have you seen the gap between the legs of a terminator!!!) and I just wonder what the sculptors think when they knock this stuff out? Do they stand back and say "yeah, we nailed it this time" or are they critical of their own work and hate working for GW and its ideal on how a body should be?
This is how GW wants their miniatures to look. It's a conscious decision. If you don't like it, fine, buy something else.
Delephont wrote:I could understand this level of sculpting when GW first started out, but when you look at what other companies are doing, not to mention independants like Hasslefree, and you just have to wonder if the market is blind, or is this what people want to paint and play with?
The quality of GW miniatures is very high. I challenge you to find better plastic miniature kits outside of military model ranges. You're simply mistaking your preferences for some holy grail of "correct sculpting". How can you play Infinity and say GW makes goofy models when half the infinity range is just as goofy, if for different reasons?
And really, I think people like to cry Apocalypse for no other reason than being bored. 3 mediocre metal models and GW is "going down the drain". It's actually fun to hear to this...
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Post by: Mastiff
This is how GW wants their miniatures to look. It's a conscious decision. If you don't like it, fine, buy something else...
The quality of GW miniatures is very high. I challenge you to find better plastic miniature kits outside of military model ranges. You're simply mistaking your preferences for some holy grail of "correct sculpting". How can you play Infinity and say GW makes goofy models when half the infinity range is just as goofy, if for different reasons?
Bull-puckey. Some of of their minis are very high quality, yes. But they've had a rotating stable of sculptors for over 25 years with varying degrees of skill. Jes Goodwin and Brian Nelson are consistantly good. Some of the other sculptors? Hit and miss. To say that their quality is always good or correct is overly generous.
You don't even need to compare these models to other companies to say that the quality is mediocre. Compare them to GW's own models and you'll see that there's a lot of generic fist pumping and bland posing going on here.
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Post by: pingo
The new Wolves are up for preorder at Wayland Games.
I think these may tempt me away from my Ultramarines for a while...
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Post by: Anti-Mag
Mastiff wrote:This is how GW wants their miniatures to look. It's a conscious decision. If you don't like it, fine, buy something else...
The quality of GW miniatures is very high. I challenge you to find better plastic miniature kits outside of military model ranges. You're simply mistaking your preferences for some holy grail of "correct sculpting". How can you play Infinity and say GW makes goofy models when half the infinity range is just as goofy, if for different reasons?
Bull-puckey. Some of of their minis are very high quality, yes. But they've had a rotating stable of sculptors for over 25 years with varying degrees of skill. Jes Goodwin and Brian Nelson are consistantly good. Some of the other sculptors? Hit and miss. To say that their quality is always good or correct is overly generous.
You don't even need to compare these models to other companies to say that the quality is mediocre. Compare them to GW's own models and you'll see that there's a lot of generic fist pumping and bland posing going on here.
Well said.
I remember many times when a favourite army has been put on hold for a few years due a sculptural nosedive. I totally agree about Nelson and Goodwin; they are beyond par and the others are still way off in terms of consistency.
Still, it's nice to see Marines getting some grief for once, although SW players have my sympathies.
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Post by: Heavygear
I am not really loving the wolf. For the guy who said it looked Warmachine Over the Top
I think this looks better. That wolf has fat rolls. It looks more like my 10 year old lab shepherd mix.
Just mho.
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Post by: Nurglitch
So, is playing Space Wolves the 40k equivalent of wearing a 3-wolf t-shirt?
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Post by: JD21290
Not sure if this has been posted, if it has then you get it again.
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Post by: Sirius42
Awesome, and my guess would be the box has 2 of those in it right?
Edit:
Am i being blind or is the melta/flamer missing from that sprue?
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Post by: JD21290
Dont ask me
i just stole it from the GW site lol, i guess it hasnt been posted yet?
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Post by: Alpharius
Nice pics!
I'm sure some enterprising soul will do a parts breakdown of that plastic sprue, right?
Right?
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
That dude on the wolf remind me of austin powers...
WOLFS WITH FREEKIN LAZERS ON THEIR HEADS
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Post by: cygnnus
Interesting to see double-sided Chainswords in those plastics.
I have to admit, I'm with (apparently) quite a few here. The metals look pretty mediocre at best, with a very few exceptions.
No temptation there for me to pick up a new army...
Vale,
JohnS
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Post by: JD21290
Alph, is this one of the few times you dont see wolf pics being posted and lock a thread mate?
Breakdown from what i can see -
Frost blade x1
Thunder hammer x1
L. claws (1 pair)
Power fist x1
Plasma pistol x3
Plasma gun x1
Power axe x1
Storm shield x1
Bolter x2
Bolter with arm x3
Bolst pistol arm x4
Chainsword x4
Legs x5
Body (front) x6
normal body (back) x5
Wolf cape body (back) x1
Head x22!
Shoulder pad x15
Random items and misc things. Xalot
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Post by: dienekes96
Sirius42 wrote:Awesome, and my guess would be the box has 2 of those in it right?
Edit:
Am i being blind or is the melta/flamer missing from that sprue?
1) Correct. Two per box is expected, since it makes 10 guys. No, you are not blind, the sprue has 3 plasma pistols, a plasma gun, and no melta or flamer. To the Space Marine Sprues, Robin!!!
I'm not going to a breakdown, but I did stare at these long and hard today. 5 leg sets, 6 torsos, 5 backpacks, 5 bolters, several back totems, two front pieces (crossed daggers, and a shield piece with an attached dagger - middle right side, next to the single torso), 1 storm bolter, 13 unique shoulder pads, 4 chainswords, BPs, 1 pair of Wolf Claws, one frostblade/power weapon, a shield, that awesome hammer, the two-handed axe, and plenty of heads, with a huge variety of facial and cranial hair, plenty with beards. Only 2 or so heads had bionics, two were specifically for Wolf Scouts. Some of the bits are incredible, and some are not so great, but overall it's a great kit. There will be lots and lots of heads left over.
The chests are quite good, which is what makes me happiest.
And the art in the book is the best I've seen from the team, with the happy addition of lots of baroque Adrian Smith art. I'm biased on that end, but the art is really special, and there is a LOT of it.
Can't wait for the release.
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Post by: Sirius42
Did the book have any pics of other new character models (aside from stormcaller, canis and the loki wannabe)?
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Post by: dienekes96
No, it did not. The new character sculpts were Lukas, Canis, and Njal. The other characters were all the old Goodwin sculpts.
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Post by: Sirius42
Dang, thats lame, was really hopeful for a new ragnar, logans ok though he could be better, as is ulrik. I was also hoping for generic character minis to surface.
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Post by: Shaman
I reckon we are gonna see a few jugger (de chaosified) to rep that wolf guy..
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Post by: Snord
Heavygear wrote:I am not really loving the wolf. For the guy who said it looked Warmachine Over the Top
That's so much better  As I said in another thread, I don't think the concept of a Marine on a giant wolf would be attracting so much derision if they'd produced something closer to this.
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Post by: BeefyG
Anti-Mag wrote:Just stopped laughing.
These models are hilarious. I don't know how anyone can put them on the table and not get laughed at. The guy with the twin lightning claws looks like he's having a very nasty trip. Beware, space logs can bring down the mightiest warriors.
As the wolf... how did this get through quality control?! Re-name the codex Space Wolves (and the Masters Of The Universe!!) and it'll all make sense.
Brilliant; that's made me laugh for a good ten minutes now.
Haha,
The guy riding the wolf seems to be a pretty ludicrous model without the cat/bear/wolf (half cat, half bear, half wolf...) he's riding. Actually I thought of "Pick of Destiny" and the bad mushrooms trip Jack Black has when I saw this.
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Post by: Sidstyler
I read in the WD last year how Jes Goodwin did a lot of research to get the DE Cold Ones just right; sculpting the skeleton and muscles for an accurate understanding of the reptile physiology. I picked upthe box just for the joy of painting well-sculpted beasts.
I know what you mean, I have that WD (it's one of the only two I ever bought) and I really liked that article and how he described the process. And boy do they look great as a result, they look like real fething dinosaurs, not those slowed whatever the hell scaly things the Lizardmen ride to battle on...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well that sprue is excellent. It really is jam packed full of stuff. Hopefully my friend who is going to collect Space Wolves will let me take a couple of bits to make my two Deathwatch Space Wolves look a little more 'wolfy'.
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Post by: JediRaptor
Regardless of a bad sculpt here or there(I'm actually not a fan of all the mohawks) I'm still EXTREMELY pumped about this release!!
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
DAMN! I wish I hadn't spent all that cash on IG now. Time to start saving up for these bad boys. Space Vikings are pure win.
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Post by: Moopy
Necros wrote:How does the guy on the cat wolf thing grab the reins without slicing it's head off?
Carefully.
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His Master's Voice wrote:I challenge you to find better plastic miniature kits outside of military model ranges. You're simply mistaking your preferences for some holy grail of "correct sculpting".
Amen.
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Post by: dogma
Necros wrote:How does the guy on the cat wolf thing grab the reins without slicing it's head off?
It looks like the reigns are attached to his codpiece. So yeah.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Mastiff wrote:You don't even need to compare these models to other companies to say that the quality is mediocre. Compare them to GW's own models and you'll see that there's a lot of generic fist pumping and bland posing going on here.
I was talking about the plastics not the metals, which, admittedly, look bad. And, what's worse, non salvageable.
That doesn't bother me overtly. I'll just kitbash and convert my Loki or Canis.
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Post by: Sirius42
Don't you know the cat wolf rider holds on with his lesser known special attribute, adamantium thighs.
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Post by: insaniak
Mastiff wrote: Wolves have much smaller chests that never drag on the ground. They're powerful but lean beasts, all muscle and teeth.
To be fair, I'd always assumed that Fenrisian Wolves weren't actually just big wolves, but were instead a wolf-like creature native to Fenris. In which case it doesn't actually have to (and shouldn't) look exactly like a wolf.
The extra bulk could also be necessary to hold up that amount of mass.
That being said, I hate it. The wolf just looks silly, the rider only marginally less so, not least because the wolf he's riding is large enough to put him far enough off the ground that he's never actually going to be hitting anything with those claws, even oversized as they are.
I'm willing to hold off judgement on the tripping-over, crying dude and Mr Skippy until I see the actual models. The pics don't do anything for me though.
Love Njal, though, and the plastics look fantastic.
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Post by: Gitkikka
Hahaahaa, no thank you GW (although I do like Njal). I'll just keep using my old SW metals and convert the rest.
the tripping-over, crying dude and Mr Skippy
And these shall be their true names, from now till the end of time.
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Post by: puma713
Symbio Joe wrote:Is it just me or turned lightning claws from big to goofy big?
Supposedly, theirs are called "wolf claws" so they're altogether different. They're supposed to allow the Space Wolf to reroll either to-hit or to-wound.
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Post by: Railguns
I've always had a problem with lightning claws, at least on power armored figures, because they look like someone just took a powerfist and added blades to it. They don't differentiate the two weapons visually enough. I don't really mind on Terminators, I suppose, but on normal marines a big honking fist looks like a powerfist, claws or not. I'd rather them resemble some sort of bulked up, armored Vega-style claw.
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Post by: Demogerg
Railguns wrote:I've always had a problem with lightning claws, at least on power armored figures, because they look like someone just took a powerfist and added blades to it. They don't differentiate the two weapons visually enough. I don't really mind on Terminators, I suppose, but on normal marines a big honking fist looks like a powerfist, claws or not. I'd rather them resemble some sort of bulked up, armored Vega-style claw.
the reason they look this way is because Lightning Claws used to be Strength 8. They were powerfists with bonuses basically.
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Post by: warboss
Demogerg wrote:Railguns wrote:I've always had a problem with lightning claws, at least on power armored figures, because they look like someone just took a powerfist and added blades to it. They don't differentiate the two weapons visually enough. I don't really mind on Terminators, I suppose, but on normal marines a big honking fist looks like a powerfist, claws or not. I'd rather them resemble some sort of bulked up, armored Vega-style claw.
the reason they look this way is because Lightning Claws used to be Strength 8. They were powerfists with bonuses basically.
was that 1st or 2nd edition?
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Post by: Myrthe
What ?!?!! No new Ragnar sculpt ???
The more I see it, the more I hate the wolf / wolf-rider model ... does he use the bones in his trophy rack to reward the wolf for a fancy prance in front of the judges ?!?!!
I do like the plastic sprues, though !!
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Post by: Mastiff
Demogerg wrote:Railguns wrote:I've always had a problem with lightning claws, at least on power armored figures, because they look like someone just took a powerfist and added blades to it. They don't differentiate the two weapons visually enough. I don't really mind on Terminators, I suppose, but on normal marines a big honking fist looks like a powerfist, claws or not. I'd rather them resemble some sort of bulked up, armored Vega-style claw.
the reason they look this way is because Lightning Claws used to be Strength 8. They were powerfists with bonuses basically.
I'm not a fan of the powerfists either. They may have been strength 8 at one time, but that's a gap of ten years between the rule being changed to str 4, and this configuration (which I think started with the multi-part plastic SM commander kit a couple of years ago).
I think of lightning claws as a fast weapon, rather than a powerful weapon.
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Post by: Napalm
Neat Terminators but the helmetless red head is just creepy looking. He looks like Quintin Tarantino and Carrot Top's unholy love child.
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Post by: Demogerg
It was second edition.
when the changeover from 2nd to 3rd happened I quit the game, and I recently started playing again with 5th edition.
so to me at least, the "last" edition lightning claws were strength 8, D3 damage, -5 save modifier, allowed the user to Parry, and gave you either 8+D3+D20+D6 armor penetration with a single hit, or combining 2 or more hits to deal 8+3D6+D20 armor penetration.
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Post by: Mastiff
insaniak wrote:Mastiff wrote: Wolves have much smaller chests that never drag on the ground. They're powerful but lean beasts, all muscle and teeth.
To be fair, I'd always assumed that Fenrisian Wolves weren't actually just big wolves, but were instead a wolf-like creature native to Fenris. In which case it doesn't actually have to (and shouldn't) look exactly like a wolf.
The extra bulk could also be necessary to hold up that amount of mass.
That being said, I hate it...
I hear what you're saying about the alien creature not being a true wolf and deserving of some leeway, but that's why I was so impressed with Goodwin's Cold Ones. Even though they're fictional beasts, the extra time and research really paid off. I can look at a Cold One and can believe it's based on a real creature. The fenrisian wolf just defies logic.
I sure like that Hordes(?) wolf though. The GW wolf looks like components thrown together from a Biological Bitz Box... a head from one creature, a chest from another, even the legs don't quite fit. And of course, My Little Pony's tail. The Hordes wolf isn't perfect, but it's believable as a whole.
Animals are incredibly difficult to sculpt without good reference, and have always been a weak spot for GW (with a few excellent exceptions).
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Post by: Sirius42
In defense of the dude with twin LC on foot he's a much better model in the flesh, (and its not new, has been around since GD uk last year).
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Post by: fire4effekt
Nice job GW, way to make a range of models so silly looking, i crave the old Phoniex Lords. All of em except for the rune priest are Fugly, and just dramatically silly.  garbage Gw, garbage
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Post by: Mastiff
I think the wolf could have worked, before adding in the steroids:
...but geez, that's a whooooole lotta dremel-work to fix...
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Post by: dogma
Yeah, that's much better. Though it isn't the the chest that reminds me of a lolcat.
It also reminds me of this, to a disturbing degree...
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Post by: Sirius42
Now extend the nose on the wolfie and we might have a winner.
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Post by: generalgrog
In the words of Lumberg from Office Space......Ummmm...........Yeahhhhhh.........I'm gonna go ahead and Uhhh.... disagree with GW here....Ummkayyy
Hopefully the same sculpter doing these things aran't the same ones doing Dark Eldar or there will be another 10 years of bad looking evil elves to look at.
GG
p.s. The termies are actually pretty nice, everything else.......not so much.
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Post by: Demogerg
Mastiff, you are my hero.
so, dremel the chest down, and cut the legs a little shorter.
I may actually buy this model now....
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Post by: Nurglitch
Derp derp derp...
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Post by: Demogerg
I sense a new meme.
must.... restrain... from....4chan
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Post by: Railguns
I see I'm not the only one who saved that picture, Dogma. Good taste.
The wolf has a big puppy face, not a sleek wolf face. those things look vicious when they're happy, not like happy puppies that are trying to put on an angry face but just make everyone turn and say "wook at da widdle puppy! Youw're just a big, fluffy wuvvable cyber puppy aren't ywou? Yes you are! Yes you ACK!"
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Post by: CT GAMER
Some of those heads are downright awful!!!
The wolf rider is way too eighties metal album cover and the wolf looks like a lol cat.
Techno Viking is not amused...
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Post by: wargames_empire
Not sure if its been mentioned but how does Canis hold the reins on that wolf? Couldn't the bloody big lightning claws get in the way?
I do like the Terminators though, can't wait to get the pre release samples!
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Post by: TobyDog
wargames_empire wrote:Not sure if its been mentioned but how does Canis hold the reins on that wolf? Couldn't the bloody big lightning claws get in the way?
I do like the Terminators though, can't wait to get the pre release samples!
I take it you've never ridden a horse... You can steer a decently broken horse with just pressure from your heals or you inner thighs...
the rains are usually tied up on or around a "horn" on the from of the Saddle so as to be out of the way...
How doe one fire a long rifle on horse back... the same way.... or long reins in one hand...
The Wolf guard Termies look great...
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Post by: Clang
Yeah, Real Men don't need reins...
Re the puppy-like wolf head - it _is_ a puppy, you should see how big they are when they're grown up!
I really like the sprue, the only puzzle is that it seems to contain no Vehicle bits at all, I'd have expected at least a few icons to stick on Rhino doors etc (the old SW sprue had a couple). A mad optimist might wonder whether a separate SW vehicle sprue is coming...?
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Post by: Anti-Mag
IT'S A SPACE MARINE RIDING A WOLF.
WHAT PART OF THE ABOVE SENTENCE SOUNDS RIDICULOUS?
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Post by: ubermosher
Why is it that every time I look at that wolf model I start singing, "Where there's a whip <crack>, there's a way. Where there's a whip <crack>, there's a way..." ?
And if you get that reference, you're a sad human being.
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Post by: jp400
The whole thing....
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Post by: squilverine
Well I have never been a Space Wolf player and these miniatures are certainly not going to persuade me to become one. They look far too cartoony and the one riding the wolf is just plain silly (I know the irony of that last coment considering I play Orks!)
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Post by: Wehrkind
ubermosher wrote:Why is it that every time I look at that wolf model I start singing, "Where there's a whip <crack>, there's a way. Where there's a whip <crack>, there's a way..." ?
And if you get that reference, you're a sad human being.
Dude shut up, I grew up on that! Which means I can probably blame my mother for any nascent S&M fetishes...
Question for you though, did they release that on DVD? And are there all three books, or just Return of the King? :-P
I am with you on the wolf though. A horse has trouble carrying a fully armored man; a 8 foot tall man in armor so heavy the armor needs muscles to help him move? I don't see a wolf carrying that. Not without a ceramite mesh saddle blanket anyway
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Post by: padixon
lol, 40k is the furthest away from realism you can get...I mean honestly if players out there are having a hard time believing a huge alien wolf can carry a half tonne guy around, then I wonder what their thoughts are on armies charging toward machineguns and tanks with....cleavers...
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Post by: Myrthe
padixon wrote: ... I wonder what their thoughts are on armies charging toward machineguns and tanks with....cleavers...
LOL !!! Great point ... Thanks for that !!
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Post by: JOHIRA
Necros wrote:How does the guy on the cat wolf thing grab the reins without slicing it's head off?
"Hark! I, Brother Furryfang the destroyer, shall lead our armies to victory against the vile forces of-"
<snick>
<YELP!>
<thud>
"Dammit! Brother Gunter, call HQ and tell them I've paralyzed another mount. And then get Bjorn over here to lift this fething thing off of me!"
On the bright side though, I see the Genestealer Broodlord finally has found someone to hug. <As music swells in the background, Sergeant Skippy Cuddlewolf and The Thing From The Shadows run through the field of flowers towards each other, finally able to share their love. As they leap into each other's arms and spin around in giddy circles, Skippy is too overtaken with joy to worry about trivial things like what to do with TTFTS's other two hands.>
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Post by: LuciusAR
I'm pleased with the Plastics but the Metals are hit and miss to say the least.
Njal is nice but that guy on the Wolf is awful. The Lucus the jester or whatever the hell he is called is abysmal, truly dire. Not only the model but the entire idea behind him. Is he supposed to be Loki or something?
I had hope the Wolves might coax me back to 40K. Not a chance it seems.
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Post by: Demogerg
I still dont see why people dont like the Lukas model or background.
The background is great, it shows that the selection and training process for Space Wolves creates individuals, not mindless tools (ultramarines) it also shows that when an individual is not ready to join the ranks of the chapters battle brothers (Blood Claws are initiates) they do not let them in.
The model itself is great, he has such a creepy and well sculpted face, it really gives you the "trickster" vibe. the rest of the armor and weapons on him are pretty much standard Space Wolves attire, with the pose giving
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Post by: Brother SRM
Demogerg wrote:I still dont see why people dont like the Lukas model or background.
The background is great, it shows that the selection and training process for Space Wolves creates individuals, not mindless tools (ultramarines) it also shows that when an individual is not ready to join the ranks of the chapters battle brothers (Blood Claws are initiates) they do not let them in.
The model itself is great, he has such a creepy and well sculpted face, it really gives you the "trickster" vibe. the rest of the armor and weapons on him are pretty much standard Space Wolves attire, with the pose giving
I'm pretty sure it's the ridiculous pose and hairdo. They look too silly for words. On a related note:
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Post by: Demogerg
do you have long hair? Have you ever walked into the wind with said long hair not tied down? it has a similar effect.
not refering to the above, that head is just gakky, but the Lukas model was done very well imo.
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Post by: Stygian Mole
Hearhear!
I for one will use any knew wolves i can get. Still got a whole host of LC left from other boxes so whats wrong with a little conversion eh?
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Post by: fire4effekt
Yeah great model, if you want a trashy lookin drug dealer model, that may or may not live under a grimdark bridge
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Post by: Archonate
Brother SRM wrote:
Because that hair style looked so awesome on Dark Eldar, why didn't they think of this sooner?!!?!
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