I hear they are lying about just one run off. A second or third has been predicted by unofficial people. Please let me know if there isn't.

Wouldn't surprise me. After all, everything we have been told is a lie.

But one of the things I have heard is thet GW didn't design Space Hulk, they bought it in all those years ago. Their rights for the game are about to expire, so this was their last chance for a reissue.

There isn't going to be a second release, fact.

Well currently the official stance is that there isnt going to be a seconed release, but considering how well this one has sold they might change thier mind...

hammerofulric wrote:

But one of the things I have heard is thet GW didn't design Space Hulk, they bought it in all those years ago.

err...nope.

Their rights for the game are about to expire, so this was their last chance for a reissue.

err....nope.

There will not be a second run; why would there be? GW priced the product at a premium due to the Limited run.

Besides, doing one run increases demand and means you get them all sold without having to have a product sit on the shelves. Its all about striking while the iron is hot and always leave the public wanting more.

My Prediction for the next 'Mystery Box'?

Necromunda - with plastic bulkheads

Saying something is a limited release and then releasing it again is a no-go in Europe. They may however release 4th edition to go around this.

His Master's Voice wrote:Saying something is a limited release and then releasing it again is a no-go in Europe. They may however release 4th edition to go around this.

This.

having said that, bear in mind that they have all the die casts and tooling sat around ready to go. I can see them reusing the casts in some way purely to maximise profit from expenditure.

They could just release the same product in grey plastic to get around the limited statement. (they did it with the xbox game steel battallion, re-released it but the controller had blue buttons instead of red)

I just don't get why they would release a game like this that way. As far as I know Space Hulk is of one the best games GW ever put out and everything in this box looks amazing. If I'd be playing Marines or 'Nids I would've bought the box for the minis alone.
Wouldn't it be much more profitbale for GW if Space Hulk would not be limited?

Not that I say I understand GWs buiseness practice.

Or it could just be a 'we found another palette of them at the back of the warehouse!" style second chance where they try to get rid of the ones they didn't sell the first time around.

They probably figure that it's so easy to copy card tiles and get rules sets that the market will soon be flooded with bootleg and warez versions of space hulk. That leaves the plastic minis to make more money from and they'll surely be released as a separate item later on. In the meantime, as mentioned, they've conducted such a great campaign that they're sure to sell most of their space hulks boxes before the clones appear.

I think:

They'll release more,under the auspices of a 'public service' and JJ will, in a Standard Bearer article,tell us all how caring it was due to 'overwhelming public demand' and 'helping out those unfortunate folks who didn't get it first time rounds' and 'defeating the meanies who are selling it for hundreds of pounds on ebay'.

I also think there will be expansions.

Basically, saying 'limited release' just frees them from the obligation to continue producing SH once it's sold it's premium amount. Once they have made the profit it will be ceased. I really don't blame them if they do continue making it for as long as people are willing to buy it.

Think the shareholders would be bemused as to why a product that sold out within a few days/weeks of release was not given a second run.

That said, as I fully intend to be one those meanies selling it for hundreds of pounds on ebay (provided the one I ordered shows up), here's hoping they don't

Meanie.

I would have thought the shareholders would be more bemused that GW was pushing a set that has no follow-up sales and significant costs when they could be pushing you to buy 10 terminators.

cadbren wrote:Meanie.

Mwhaha!

As I mentioned on another thread, I panicked bought a second copy when my preordered one didn't show up (it's now due on Friday). Therefore I could potentially be left with two. I might well just let a friend have it at cost. We shall see...

Flashman wrote:Think the shareholders would be bemused as to why a product that sold out within a few days/weeks of release was not given a second run.

I doubt that most of the shareholders are even aware of the product in question.

But even if they are, it doesn't really mean anything. There's no way of knowing how the game would have sold if it wasn't a limited edition, but I rather suspect that it wouldn't have done anywhere near as well. Drop off all of the eBay speculator sales for starters. Then drop off the sales from those who weren't overly excited about it, but bought it just because it's a GW limited edition. And those who bought it just in case there turns out to be no other way to get the miniatures. And those who bought it now because it's limited, who otherwise would have put it on their 'pick up when I have a bit more cash' list and never got around to it.

I suspect that if the shareholders are told anything about Space Hulk, it will be that it was intended from the get-go as a quick influx of cash to fund the next big thing or to help shore up the debts somewhat, that the limited release was a calculated strategy to ensure rapid sell-through, and that it performed in that role exactly as predicted.

I suspect that if the shareholders are told anything about Space Hulk, it will be that it was intended from the get-go as a quick influx of cash to fund the next big thing or to help shore up the debts somewhat, that the limited release was a calculated strategy to ensure rapid sell-through, and that it performed in that role exactly as predicted.

QFT.

Spacehulk was a huge success for GW. All the copies will be gone, and they will have maximized profit on a large print run of 99.00 games, and have no carrying costs or extra inventories. With how the release was carried out, they may have sold in two weeks what would have sold in 2 years.

Yup.

With the major sales of Space Hulk (I am sure they will sell out soon) I don't believe they will print a second run, My worry is they will make a "Ship Boarding" 40k expansion book coming up very soon, with plastic board pieces that will make Space Hulk look cheap. Right now they could use the floor sections sprues from the any of their building sets without cutting a new molds. Then they would only have to cut a sprue with connector parts, maybe room sections.
With the rumored release of the Tyranids and Blood Angels book to be released next spring, it would not surprise me something like this would hit right after, maybe next summer.

mikhaila wrote:I suspect that if the shareholders are told anything about Space Hulk, it will be that it was intended from the get-go as a quick influx of cash to fund the next big thing or to help shore up the debts somewhat, that the limited release was a calculated strategy to ensure rapid sell-through, and that it performed in that role exactly as predicted.

QFT.

Spacehulk was a huge success for GW. All the copies will be gone, and they will have maximized profit on a large print run of 99.00 games, and have no carrying costs or extra inventories. With how the release was carried out, they may have sold in two weeks what would have sold in 2 years.

Double QFT.

they wont rerelease it, maybe a new version, but I suspect Warhammer Quest is now at the front of their attention.

I agree there. As I've said in other threads - Quest is a game that requires no support, and like Hulk the entire game can come in the box. With the plastics they did for Hulk, they could easily expand the starting heroes to 8 (from 4) and include the basic versions of Goblins, Orcs, Skaven, a great new plastic Minotaur, and new board sections.

The only hard part might be the proliferation of cards (treasure, dungeon rooms, event, magic etc.). They might find other ways to do that.

In any case, it can be a game in a box and need no support.

hammerofulric wrote:But one of the things I have heard is thet GW didn't design Space Hulk, they bought it in all those years ago. Their rights for the game are about to expire, so this was their last chance for a reissue.

That was Talisman

reds8n wrote:

hammerofulric wrote:

But one of the things I have heard is thet GW didn't design Space Hulk, they bought it in all those years ago.

err...nope.

Their rights for the game are about to expire, so this was their last chance for a reissue.

err....nope.

I did hear this about Talisman but never about Space Hulk.

mikhaila wrote:Spacehulk was a huge success for GW. All the copies will be gone, and they will have maximized profit on a large print run of 99.00 games, and have no carrying costs or extra inventories. With how the release was carried out, they may have sold in two weeks what would have sold in 2 years.

Indeed. They sold out of 100,000 copies of a game, made a pile of cash, have no inventory being carried over and now have tens of thousands of potential customers for subsequent expansions.

Its 100% win in GW terms.

They are not a board game company and so there is little to no point in them holding stock and continuing sales of the game.

hammerofulric wrote:Wouldn't surprise me. After all, everything we have been told is a lie.

But one of the things I have heard is thet GW didn't design Space Hulk, they bought it in all those years ago. Their rights for the game are about to expire, so this was their last chance for a reissue.

Your memory is wrong But there's some truth in it. What you said is true, but refers to another GW game - Talisman. They issued a low-run production of the game some years ago (500 copies, no more than 2 years ago, if I remember correctly) and made absolutely no advertisement about it. That's because they just made the whole thing to ensure continuity of their copyrights on the game, should they choose to make something better at a later date.

Seems like they could open themselves up to deceptive advertising charges if they did another release of it after very loudly promoting it as a limited print run? Let's face it, although the high quality is one reason, another reason it is selling so fast/well is the fact that people think there are never going to be any more copies available. There was a significant sales advantage for GW by making it limited, and going against that is a bit foul play.

they just can't release the same boxed set to continue the claim of a limited release. can they release a box of space hulk termies and another of genestealers? sure. how about a rules folder with the exact same rules? sure. as long as they keep something in the box as only in the box, they're technically limited. i predict the little johnny 5 robot (or wallE for those under 30) will be limited issue!

I seem to remember that Praetorians were a limited run.

I have heard whispers that the plastic sprues may become available sometime next year as a GW direct item, but nothing regarding another run of the actual game.

I have it on good authority that it will be released again 25 years from today.

I do not think they will re-release SH in any form as a boardgame again (at least anytime soon).

All you have to do is look at why they stopped selling it originally in the first place. Depending on which rumor you want to believe, the two main reasons they stopped selling SH were a) sales of it had dropped off and b) it was robbing sales from main 40K.

Any time spent playing SH is time NOT playing 40K. GW wants you to play 40K so you'll buy more models, more books, more armies, more paint, etc. Even though SH could be expanded more than it ever was it is, ultimately, a limited environment compared to 40K and certainly has a much lower model count.

SH's main contribution to GW was(is) as a gateway game to 40K. In that context it has to be kept limited in scope (and thus by definition limited in lasting sales).

With the above considerations it is easy to see why GW released SH as a limited run splash release. They earned X amount in lump profit and put out just enough games to generate the X profit and that can also be used to generate buzz and maybe attract a few new gamers, but long-term, people will tire of SH's limited nature and, again, return to playing 40K where GW wants them.

What many of us really want is a Space Hulk like expansion for 40K with plastic corridors/rooms of some kind and some tweaked rules (ala Cities of Death or Planetstrike). SH could also be seen as wetting the appetite for that product or perhaps just as a gauge on the interest in such a product. This is the area that will be interesting to watch as it fits in with the goals of supporting 40K and also GW's new interest in releasing plastic terrain kits.

When you see the Aegis Defense Line kit you realize that GW could easily do a plastic corridor set that produced 2-3 feet of corridor for $20-$25 if they wanted to. Add to that the rumors of SH-like Battleboards and you have another viable option for terrain. We may never see it but it is certainly within the realm of possibility.

What above poster said is true.

But i think this time around theyll try to turn the tables on us.

Hype the game all the way, and then bring in extra editions at special places like this. When everything has sold, we might get a gold edition with extra bits or whatever.

Thats why im not buying. GW has a money driven strategy, if it sells like hot feth, theyll try tro sell more. If it doesnt, they pack up and move on.

Who's to say the "Limited Edition" Space Hulk is the good one? What if they release another Space Hulk (maybe 50,000 copies this time) with a special, "Limited Edtion" metal terminator a year from now? What if they release another Space Hulk (20,000 copies?) with a special, "Limited Edition" book of new missions with a resin objective counter two years from now? Would you all line up again, money in hand?

You've proven their strategy worked. Look for more of this nonsense in the future.

I don't think we'll see another release of this SH box.

I can see maybe an 'expansion set' with new models, tiles and missions, also as a one-off release - presuming it's up to SH's standard, that will also sell out.

I can also see slightly recut 40K-standard versions (e.g. no inbuilt bases) of these sprues appearing. But then again, maybe GW would think such kits would simply cut into the sales of the normal termie and stealer kits.

And I'm sure GW must be thinking about repeating this sales success by doing something similar for fantasy, so I won't be at all surprised to see a one-off HeroQuest or simiilar next year...

Thanks Guys! Real help. Keep posting though...

We might see re-releases with termies from different chapters, floor tiles and missions but the same rules every few years, and tbh i'd be totally ok with that. a limited SH for each chapter etc etc, it'd be kinda cool, maybe, but without the mystery box bs.

I could easily see a second run. GW likes money.

No reason this run has to happen any time soon - a second run this time next year allows demand to build back up by people who missed out and new gamers, and then they just do another run of 50k copies - less of a run should be required for viability the second time, as even if the card is more expensive the capital for the sprue creation is paid off now.

Getting round it being a limited edition is a doddle - certainly, just changing the plastic colours to grey and non-marble dice would be sufficient legally (toy manufacturers have seen to that - there's no end of "limited edition" toys with slightly different paint masks to full retail releases).

And doing another splash release of the game next Christmas would minimise inventory storage costs too.

I'd be overjoyed if the minis became available separately though. I've ideas for a bunch of termy conversions.

Phazer

Good analysis, everyone. This is why I like reading Dakka.

@tanker- good points, both about Space Hulk as being a gateway to but ultimately competition against GW's core product. Also, great point about ways in which they could unify the two lines with nifty terrain sets and a 40K ruleset expansion. The frustrating thing about GW is how apparent some of this stuff can be from the consumer's perspective ("C'mon, we're DYING to buy this stuff!"), and yet never seem to appear on GW's radar. Of course the complexities of marketing and internals might mask their consideration of such things, but a Hulk-style expansion seems so... elementary.

Oh well- guess it's just one more place where indy companies can innovate around GW's sluggish but powerful leviathan.

All I know is, I'm really glad that I held off building my 40K hulk table until now. The roomies have been pissed about the ever-growing pile of bitz in the basement, and I had to chew more Bubble Tape than a grown man should ever admit to (power generator coil bitz!), but this winter will see a magnificent wreck take shape from all that trash. I just needed to know how line of sight rules worked, and now I do. Awesome.

I heard the reason they're only doing one run is because the tiles were really expensive to create in relation to the miniatures.

The idea of the sprues coming out later through direct makes plenty of sense to me.

A second print run would only make sense if the first run sold out extremely quickly. However, this has not happened. While the majority of the run sold extremely well and quickly, the remaining 10-15% is sitting around on store shelves for over the counter sales now. My local stores still have multiple copies to sell.

If the craze is over and it takes a few weeks to sell out of the remaining copies, that would be an indicator that GW got the number of copies printed just right on the first run, but that sales would be slow on a second print run. In that case, there's no reason to do a second printing and have a huge inventory that would take months or years to sell.

Agreed.

If people want expansions for Space Hulk it is easy to work out the factors for SMs and the Grenade Launcher from the first edition information available online. Nothing has to be 'official', it's not a tournament game.

(I can't remember the factors for SMs but it was something obvious like a Bolter hits on 6, roll 1 die, the Genestealer hits the SM on a 5 or 6.)

IMO the simplicity of the rules makes it difficult to shoehorn other factions into the game, due to the low range of variables.

I don't think it matters, as you don't get a lot of extra excitement from fighting Orks vs Genies or Eldar vs Genies.

It's easy to make larger missions and variant missions. Getting the balance right is harder. I wouldn't trust GW to do that anyway.

What's needed for the super modellers is a 3D corridor system of some kind.

hammerofulric wrote:Wouldn't surprise me. After all, everything we have been told is a lie.

But one of the things I have heard is thet GW didn't design Space Hulk, they bought it in all those years ago. Their rights for the game are about to expire, so this was their last chance for a reissue.

This sounds more like the rumor I've heard for Talisman.

Well. Interesting.

1) Talisman was indeed the game where GW had to pay a designer for its release, and they did a splash release a while ago. SH was developed in house- as explained in WD.

2) SH will probably not be reprinted anytime soon. It was a splash release, and the factors involved in the manufacturing/distribution/warehousing etc. listed above are all true...It won't factor into their plans until it is time for a 35th or 40th anniversary edition....

3) Though it may seem easy, at least in concept, choosing to spend money on the plastic hulk corridors would detract from money/time/ r&D into new products that they need/know/have done before. It is after all fairly easy to predict how many new space marine x, or tau x, or tyranid x release will all sell. Now the tooling and manufacturing guys seem to have gotten ahead of the studio, but not yet so far that they can spend the time and money and detract from all of the other stuff they want. After all, the tooling guys are probably running close to 24/7 as it is.....

4) I though JJ hinted at that type of concept years ago, and hopefully it does come out (I for one would love it). But I think it was dropped because AC left and the time and money was to be spent elsewhere. (note that is think not KNOW).

5) It will be a great success if it sells out in the stores and there are not a lot bought on ebay for $100s....Then they will have gotten the number right. Regardless, it is a splash release where they were able to say...print x and we make $y in profit. Splash release, reliable profit, and its is now gone and shipped out of the factory....for business, it is great and reliably has now generated the profits to then invest in projects a,b, or c.....(wouldn't it be cool if they used the profit from this to make the plastic corridors?)

6) I wish they'd release more games (both old and new) like they used to....I know they expect that it detracts from the core, but it seemed to feed the hobby more reliably.... For games I'd like to see:

1) A re-release of Man'O'War (but with bigger ships...)
2) Necromunda-with extra sets of plastic floors for the old bulkheads
3) EPIC - in plastic!/Adeptus Titanicus
4) WARHAMMER Quest....though more detailed....with less character expansions....maybe 1-2 boxes with all the characters inside....
5) Maybe a new LOTR board/mini game
6) Anything else they can come up with (how about Necromunda style game of Eldar Exodites....Or a Imperial Insurrection game with Imp Guard vs. Traitor Guard - in Epic scale)?

the_Armyman wrote:Who's to say the "Limited Edition" Space Hulk is the good one? What if they release another Space Hulk (maybe 50,000 copies this time) with a special, "Limited Edtion" metal terminator a year from now? What if they release another Space Hulk (20,000 copies?) with a special, "Limited Edition" book of new missions with a resin objective counter two years from now? Would you all line up again, money in hand?

No, most of use probably wouldn't. A single model is not going to serve as any inspiration to repurchase the full game again, and while a big book of missions would certainly have appeal, again you would have a lot of people not willing to rebuy the whole box just for that, and it would be inevitable that the mission book would quickly be scanned and pirated on the internet.

Looking at the shape of sales, it seems like GW had the demand for the game pretty well figured out. I'm betting that the last boxes are going to make it to Christmas before inventory is completely depleted. If that's the case, I'm certainly not seeing a market for another 70,000 units over the next few years that doesn't leave GW with a massive number of boxes taking up space while the inventory slowly trickles out over the course of a few years.

Warhammer Quest would be amazing... *drool*

The problem with having so many Space Hulk threads is that you end up repeating yourself. The problem with having so many Space Hulk threads is that you end up repeating yourself. The problem with having so many Space Hulk threads is that you end up repeating yourself. The problem with having so many Space Hulk threads is that you end up repeating yourself.

Tethyr13 wrote:1) A re-release of Man'O'War (but with bigger ships...)
2) Necromunda-with extra sets of plastic floors for the old bulkheads
3) EPIC - in plastic!/Adeptus Titanicus
4) WARHAMMER Quest....though more detailed....with less character expansions....maybe 1-2 boxes with all the characters inside....
5) Maybe a new LOTR board/mini game
6) Anything else they can come up with (how about Necromunda style game of Eldar Exodites....Or a Imperial Insurrection game with Imp Guard vs. Traitor Guard - in Epic scale)?

1. Not going to happen. Not a self-contained game. Would require support.
2. Ditto.
3. Ditto, except in a limited 8-Titan (or thereabouts) Adeptus Titanicus game that was not expanded to Epic.
4. Possible, as it is a game in a box. I would say double the amount of heroes (so 8), and maybe a few more badguys, but otherwise it would be a game in a box. No expansions. No support.
5. Only if it is self-contained... though that's less important as LotR is on store shelves.

EPIC - in plastic!/Adeptus Titanicus

..would resin Titans be alright ?

Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think it matters, as you don't get a lot of extra excitement from fighting Orks vs Genies or Eldar vs Genies.

From what I gathered from my first game it wouldn't make that much of a difference anyway, since the Termies can't shoot, suck in close combat and get shredded to pieces in seconds.

reds8n wrote:

EPIC - in plastic!/Adeptus Titanicus

..would resin Titans be alright ?

I see what you did there.


I love Aeronautica Imperialis so a Titan fighting game from FW would be awesome.

You can buy it online again. They just wanted to push store sales - it was never sold out.

Are you sure? I can't see it available anywhere.

Leggy wrote:Are you sure? I can't see it available anywhere.

Leggy, what part of the world are you in? GW USA has copies (I gave in and got a second copy on Tuesday), GW UK claims they sold out from Direct before Sept 5th (reports are that they shorted independents and demanded GW stores send some copies back to the HQ to fill out the pre-orders).

Like the flags says, i'm a brit. Sucks to be me :(

His Master's Voice wrote:Saying something is a limited release and then releasing it again is a no-go in Europe. They may however release 4th edition to go around this.

All they would need is a white-bordered box with an "Unlimited" label, and they're in the clear.

Better yet, they can include an Errata sheet...

Any bets we may see Chapter spacific "add-ons" splash releases for Space Hulk? I think it could be a way to get out the DeathWing,Black Templars ETC non Ultra style Termi. Not that I believe they would have any trouble selling them, they could market them as short run add-ons and be done with it.

Preatorians were indeed a limited release in about 96/96 but up until about last year were fully avaible from mail order. So I am not betting on the Hulk Minis "Never again " statement.

Leggy wrote:Like the flags says, i'm a brit. Sucks to be me :(

I just went to the UK store. It's on sale.

This "sold out" thing was a compelte myth designed to drive people towards GW stores on release day, nothing more. It is as much as lie as the "something we've never done before" nonsense that came about before Hulk was released, and only serves to prove the "everything you have been told is a lie" T-shirts.

Leggy wrote:Like the flags says, i'm a brit. Sucks to be me :(

While flags can be wrong, I just realized that I had no flags showing for anyone when I asked that.

H.B.M.C., I am not sure what you are seeing, but it has not been available on the UK site since the 3rd of September (depending on time zone). The product code (60010699001) says No Longer Available and has since the 3rd. If you follow the direct link and are already signed in, it works this way too. If you have it in your wish list, it will be removed automatically (well, sort of, it just has a space and some buttons but no codes, links or pictures). If you try the links off of the front page, it goes to the "sold out" page with a second page that lists GW stores.

Edit: My bad, it is "sold out" of a few of the other EU sites too.

I went to the 'Gaming' Menu, chose Space Hulk. Available for £57 or whatever the price is.

If you add it to your cart, though, it shows as 'no longer available'


They also still have the big banner add running on the front page saying that it's sold out.

Ah, cool. My mistake.

It shouldn't be a limited run anyway. It's a great game with great models and a great ruleset. The best part is though, that unlike the rest of their games it doesn't require any sort of periodic release and update schedule to stay green. They just need to slow production to a trickle to satisfy post initial demand and make money.

I cant see why they wouldn't have an second release. I mean, they have the design and all of the product pieces completed. I'm sure that in a couple of years there will be more people wanting it.

They could only release another edition of Space Hulk (in the UK anyway) if it was significantly different to the one they have just put out.

Effectively they would have to start from scratch, as the edition just released was marketed as limited edition, this was the reason so many people bought in to it.

If they just re-released the same thing again there could be a case for claiming they had obtained money under false pretences.

This is great guys, never would have guessed you all like controversey so much. Keep posting or the little voices in my head will get really, really mad...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I went to the 'Gaming' Menu, chose Space Hulk. Available for £57 or whatever the price is.

If you "add to cart" it says "No Longer Available".

Thanks KK. Insaniak dealt with that exact post of mine 4 days ago.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Thanks KK. Insaniak dealt with that exact post of mine 4 days ago.

The remaining stocks of the game were put in the retail stores both in the UK and the US, so it's no longer available in the UK or US online stores. US GW stores, at least some of the stores near me, have at least a dozen copies each sitting on the shelves waiting patiently for buyers. I wouldn't expect a second run of this game any time soon, it will be weeks or even months till all the remaining copies of Space Hulk are sold.

Tim the Biovore wrote:I hear they are lying about just one run off. A second or third has been predicted by unofficial people. Please let me know if there isn't.

I heard that some scientists said that a huge meteor is not likely to hit the Earth anytime soon. A huge meteor striking the Earth has been predicted by some unofficial people. Please let me know if that isn't going to happen.

Pathetic sarcasm there. "Yes, we are all going to die a horrible, horrible death".

Tim the Biovore wrote:"Yes, we are all going to die a horrible, horrible death".

I blame Jervis.

Unless he Jervisifies the meteor until it caves in on itself.

Jervis didn't cause the meteor...
or did he...


This thread has descended to madness,
well done, 3 pages.

Makaleth wrote:This thread has descended to madness

I blame Jer... oh... already said that.

Sheesh, we should change the name 'DakkaDakka' to '40k LOLnet"

I would pay upwards of 200 dollars for a Deluxe box set of Warhammer quest and i would probably pay it multiple times.


It's such a fun game :(.


Please release this next year.


edit:

I wish specialist would release the rules for it all my boxes were destroyed during Katrine :(

Well there is one possibility we haven et discussed yet. Overruns. The game was printed in China, and Chinese client manufacturing is rife with problems and franjkly cant be trusted.

Overrunning is one of those problems, acentuated by thwe fact the item has a high value and artificial rarity.

During overrunning the factory produces extra copies out of hours which end up on the black market (now eBay). All this dosh goes into the factory managers pockets.

I wont say it will happen, but I can say it can happen. Overrunning is a big problem, fortunately GW is rather small and is not the sort of stuff that usually gets overrunned. For that you get TV spinoff toys electronics and branded clothing.

Its essentially bootleg manufacture, but with a twist, it uses the same factories and material and is thus indestinguishable from the 'genuine' article.

Tethyr13 wrote:1)
... Maybe a new LOTR board/mini game...

Not really necessary, I mean, it was a movie and most of the actual exciting parts you can already buy. But it might work with the Hobbit, better known as 'the battle of five armies'.

Orlanth wrote: The game was printed in China, .

Don't think the board pieces were.

This is great guys, never would have guessed you all like controversey so much. Keep posting or the little voices in my head will get really, really mad...

Can we take this to mean then that the initial post was in fact BS and you haven't heard any actual rumour other than some guy who knows nothing about GW, this game's production and their future intent, randomly said so then ?

Me, My Friend and a GW Staff member were talking about Space Hulk being limited edition. GW came out and said they had to make a new box (some releases ie Stompa and Baneblade were delayed because they didnt want to make a new box) which would of cost money and that they had to buy a seperate cast for the space hulk minis which the GW employee said was really expensive, then they have all the card and plastic pieces which may have been outsourced but skill cost. We concluded that £60 might not be enough to make a profit, or if it did not a high enough profit per unit as they usually do so we said they're release it again, maybe with different and 'not quite as good' board pieces and a more standard box.

Or they'll release the minis seperately...

Can we take this to mean then that the initial post was in fact BS and you haven't heard any actual rumour other than some guy who knows nothing about GW, this game's production and their future intent, randomly said so then?

No it is not. I kept it secret until I finally posted something good and tried to keep a good reputation amongst you people. But this will probably break it. Anyway, I am constantly trying to find stuff which needs clarification or is very interesting. This particular post I find is both.

i would love to see Hero Quest and Space crusade get a nice revamp, and go on general release, in my youth i spent HOURS upon HOURS playing them with friends/family.
epic games and its nice to have the whole thing there in the box, the expansions were fantastic too.
if only eh?

Tarondor wrote:Me, My Friend and a GW Staff member were talking about Space Hulk being limited edition. GW came out and said they had to make a new box (some releases ie Stompa and Baneblade were delayed because they didnt want to make a new box) which would of cost money and that they had to buy a seperate cast for the space hulk minis which the GW employee said was really expensive, then they have all the card and plastic pieces which may have been outsourced but skill cost. We concluded that £60 might not be enough to make a profit, or if it did not a high enough profit per unit as they usually do so we said they're release it again, maybe with different and 'not quite as good' board pieces and a more standard box.

Or they'll release the minis seperately...

I'm sure they made money on Space Hulk.

It's clear that 90% of people who wanted Space Hulk pre-ordered it, which is why there are still copies sitting in retail. I'm sure those copies will sell gradually, but there won't be much demand for a re-issue.

It wouldn't make sense to sell the limited edition at a loss in the hope of making a profit on sales of a slightly changed unlimited edition.

I doubt they will release the figures separately as they would compete in the market with existing GW kits.

Flashman wrote:Think the shareholders would be bemused as to why a product that sold out within a few days/weeks of release was not given a second run.

+1

I would bet they have giant pallets in a warehouse stacked with the second release all ready to go.

There probably is.

CT GAMER wrote:

Flashman wrote:Think the shareholders would be bemused as to why a product that sold out within a few days/weeks of release was not given a second run.

+1

I would bet they have giant pallets in a warehouse stacked with the second release all ready to go.

Yeah, right. The stock holders would be angrier about stock sitting around, tying up money. Space Hulk was a high investment, low return product. Thats why GW doesn't want more than a single run. They probably only make a 10-20% profit (after costs) on this as opposed to the 30-40% they get off normal sets. So moving resources away from Space Hulk and back to other 40k sets will make them more money for the same amount of effort. Thats why they don't want to continue space hulk.

Lets take the baneblade for example; it probably costs GW only $40 or so to make a $100 set. Space Hulk costs closer to $60 to make a $100 set, but space hulk has alot of work being done outside of GW so that cost to GW isn't necessarily fixed. Additionally there are that many more parts, many more places for defects to occur, making it that much more an undertaking to produce.

You see it as, space hulk, "its done" and "they can make more". GW sees it as "we can make more space hulk or we can make a (insert your favorite armies dream unit)." With GW's limited amount of capital they can't tie it up in a product they don't intend to support.

I'd be happy if they sold the minis direct order. I'd pay $50 for another batch of 12 terminators, and I don't even play BA. Frankly, I'd prefer they run the minis in their standard grey plastic.

I don't see a new edition being released anytime soon. By making it a truly limited edition, they keep interest. And it means that next year, if they want to do Warhammer Quest, Man O' War, the Armageddeon boardgame, etc. - they can make those limited edition, and people will buy it because it's limited. If they issue a second printing of SH in 6 months, none of us GW junkies will accept future 'limited editions' as being 'limited', we don't buy it immediately, and they're stuck sitting on stock and not turning a profit.

It's much more profitable for GW to keep it as a one-and-done printing, both for SH and any future games they'd choose to do in that fashion.

As a side bar, I finally opened up my SH box last night. Wow, they packed that thing tighter than a...er....uhm...Scrooge's wallet. Yeah, that's what I meant.

That I see as the most likely thing. I think if they could break up the set between marines and nids it'd do better than just one big lot. If they did, it'd probably be a direct only set... however they'd probably fit into the slim boxes of the same perimeter.

yeah,
I don't think this will happen. The models would need to be recut for 40k bases.

Panic...

There is definitely a continuing market for the models if not the entire game. There are piles of the Space Hulk games sitting on store shelves now, but here's someone getting nearly the full price of the game just for the Terminators on eBay.

Panic wrote:yeah,
I don't think this will happen. The models would need to be recut for 40k bases.

Panic...

That isn't true. Tossed into the collectors section or whatever its called... or even specialist games and there would be no requisite to be 40k compatible.

Tim the Biovore wrote:There probably is.

How can you have read this thread and still have no idea what you're talking about?


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BrassScorpion wrote:There is definitely a continuing market for the models if not the entire game. There are piles of the Space Hulk games sitting on store shelves now, but here's someone getting nearly the full price of the game just for the Terminators on eBay.

I think it's a pretty sure thing that sooner or later the models themselves are going to go up for sale. After all, unlike the rest of the game, the models were made by GW in-house, so they can make more of them whenever they want to, and the models themselves obviously have a great deal of desirability separate from the game.

That's why the 'chinese overruns' things doesn't work. Whatever got made in China doesn't include the whole game, so along with whatever got overrun they'd also have to acquire the plastic models and whatever else they didn't make in order to offer a complete bootleg set.

Panic wrote:yeah,
I don't think this will happen. The models would need to be recut for 40k bases.

Panic...

Only the Genestealers. The Terminators, even with their bases, fit perfectly on 40mms.

You know, Warhammer Quest was released in 1995, maybe we'll see a Limited Edition, 15th Anniversary release next year!

Platuan4th wrote:

Panic wrote:yeah,
I don't think this will happen. The models would need to be recut for 40k bases.

Panic...

Only the Genestealers. The Terminators, even with their bases, fit perfectly on 40mms.

Even better, magnetize the Termies to 40mm bases for games of 40K.

If GW sourced the various components from different factories and assembled them locally, it would be very difficult for a Chinese company to rip off the whole game.

(I quite like the idea of China being flooded with cheap pirate copies of Space Hulk translated into dodgy Mandarin.)

Kilkrazy wrote:(I quite like the idea of China being flooded with cheap pirate copies of Space Hulk translated into dodgy Mandarin.)

Me too.

"To watchover the bluejean thief, 2 dots motivation please spend. "

"Jam? Do NOT Want! pay 1 AP"

Tim the Biovore wrote:There probably is.

How can you have read this thread and still have no idea what you're talking about?

I know what I'm talking about. I just gave a brief reply to "There is probably a palet full of them in the warehouse".

99 posts. I am greatfully shocked. And i thought half of you couldn't care less about Space Hulk.

Bookwrack wrote:

That's why the 'chinese overruns' things doesn't work. Whatever got made in China doesn't include the whole game, so along with whatever got overrun they'd also have to acquire the plastic models and whatever else they didn't make in order to offer a complete bootleg set.

That's easy enough, all they need is a set of figures to make casts from and they'll bootleg away, just like they do for action figures and everything else you can think of.

WOOHOO! 4 pages. I am a god amongst dakkaites...

In order to be considered a "god" among us you have to actually...you know, do something.

............................................................ What used to be there was completely and utterly uncalled for. Sorry Sidstyler, you just got to me after a bad day school.

Self edited in respect of the above

Tim the Biovore wrote:You can talk can't you? 3 threads, each with less than ten replies.

You don't get to be a forum regular by posting a few "interesting" topics and tossing yourself off everytime you get a new page of replies. You don't get people to like you by starting a virtual dick-waving contest. Your attempt to gain recognition has succeeded, but only in that I now recognise you as really, fecking, annoying. Lurk moar, and come back when you learn some humility.

Just to wander back on topic briefly, does anyone know if legally speaking, GW are allowed / not allowed to reissue SH? So presumably they have marketed SH as a one off, limited edition but does that prevent them from going back on this at some point in the future? I can definitely see them reprinting this and selling the models too given that there is a fair degree of consumer interest about it

They would have to make some kind of reasonably substantive change. I don't know if just dropping the egg timer would be enough. Maybe they just need to change the box art.

Of course a reprint would only matter if users were angry enough to sue GW, which seems unlikely.

yeah,
I agree, in fact if the reprint had extra missions, it would probabily make people happy...

Panic..

Or they could just put some mission PDF's up. That'd do.

I nominate Timmy as god of da kakas!

Total forgivers: 1. It's a good start.

@ Tim

Nice recovery.

In Australia teachers phone you up at home to criticise your assignments?! That's just harsh...

@ H.B.M.C. - Mission Generator is up on the GW website or are you after proper written missions with maps and stuff?

cadbren wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:

That's why the 'chinese overruns' things doesn't work. Whatever got made in China doesn't include the whole game, so along with whatever got overrun they'd also have to acquire the plastic models and whatever else they didn't make in order to offer a complete bootleg set.

That's easy enough, all they need is a set of figures to make casts from and they'll bootleg away, just like they do for action figures and everything else you can think of.

And for that to work, the factory making the cardboard bits would also have to have plastic molding injection machinery to make something that could pass as a space hulk model. You're overlooking the fact that action figure bootlegs are probably all the results of overruns in the first place, since the equipment and molds required to make them are not exactly cheap, nor the kind of thing one would have lying around the factory.

Bookwrack wrote:

cadbren wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:

That's why the 'chinese overruns' things doesn't work. Whatever got made in China doesn't include the whole game, so along with whatever got overrun they'd also have to acquire the plastic models and whatever else they didn't make in order to offer a complete bootleg set.

That's easy enough, all they need is a set of figures to make casts from and they'll bootleg away, just like they do for action figures and everything else you can think of.

And for that to work, the factory making the cardboard bits would also have to have plastic molding injection machinery to make something that could pass as a space hulk model. You're overlooking the fact that action figure bootlegs are probably all the results of overruns in the first place, since the equipment and molds required to make them are not exactly cheap, nor the kind of thing one would have lying around the factory.

And they used several diffent suppliers in china, for the different components. So the idea of an over run is unlikely.

There won't be another release, or add ons, for space hulk. This has been said several dozen times in White Dwarf, in the rulebook itself, and online. I doubt, however, GW would shoot themselves in the foot like this and miss out on making money. I would not doubt seeing individual sprues, tile sets, the components themselves, etc...on direct mail order on GWs website in the near future...

Flashman wrote:@ H.B.M.C. - Mission Generator is up on the GW website or are you after proper written missions with maps and stuff?

I mean actual missions. There were 4-6 new campaigns (each of 3-6 missions) in White Dwarf when 2nd Ed came out. The 2nd Ed Mission book had 18 missions in it. There were two expansions and a Campaigns book in 1st, plus more WD articles. They have more to print beyond 12 standard missions a a 'Roll Your Own Adventure' style catch-all mission. I think they should release them.

In response to Flashman. Not all the time, but she was more dissapointed with mine seeing as she expected a higher standard.

Tim the Biovore wrote:You can talk can't you? 3 threads, each with less than ten replies.

Three threads on Dakka, anyway. Not to mention that when I usually start threads its for a specific purpose, like my most recent one, trying to find out how to get started with Battletech. I don't often need more than ten replies.

Anyway, sorry for the offense, I didn't really mean anything by what I said...but I don't really think getting a thread to four pages is enough to declare yourself a "god".

There won't be another release, or add ons, for space hulk. This has been said several dozen times in White Dwarf, in the rulebook itself, and online. I doubt, however, GW would shoot themselves in the foot like this and miss out on making money. I would not doubt seeing individual sprues, tile sets, the components themselves, etc...on direct mail order on GWs website in the near future...

One can only hope, I guess. I wouldn't be surprised to at least see the sprues end up on the website.

Yeah like I said I was full of myself.

yeah,
Sorry to dig this thread up but I thought it was worth it for the SpookyHittingNailOnHead'ness of it all...

Tim the Biovore wrote:I hear they are lying about just one run off?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Or it could just be a 'we found another palette of them at the back of the warehouse!" style second chance where they try to get rid of the ones they didn't sell the first time around.

VoxCaster - GW's twitter account wrote:We Uncovered a tiny quantity of Space Hulk boxes in our US warehouse. One last chance to buy it from our US/Canadian store: http://j.mp/6gNFT8 [url]

Makes me all tingly...
Also the dakka text search worked to find HBMC's post... that was a bit spooky too!

Panic...

It would be nice if they did a run of the plastic figures available seperately to the game. They sell regularly all the time on eBay, there's a clear demand. But when did GW bother making money the easy way by giving customers exactly what they want.

Most likely recalled all unsold Store copies, and put online.

Nothing overly suspicious.

They said "limited release". That doesn't mean "limited first run and never do it again". I believe we will se more Space Hulk, it's selling like crack.

They did actually.

This is a standard selling tactic, get over it already.

Ha!

And this, folks, is why I'm more awesome than you.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Nothing overly suspicious.

And no one has said that it is. In fact, what I said would happen is exactly what has happened and was completely expected.

Stop seeing anti-GW conspirators wherever you go and leaping to GW's defence. It's very silly.

No but some implied earlier to expect a second print dressed up as 'look wot we founded in the back!'

I think you need to stop picking fights over nothing.

Considering there are still unsold copies at my local GW, I'm not surprised they might have dug up "a tiny quantity" of extras...

Vale,

JohnS

cygnnus wrote:Considering there are still unsold copies at my local GW, I'm not surprised they might have dug up "a tiny quantity" of extras...

They probably asked various stores to send overstock back to the warehouse, and then once they're collected, put them on sale.

Either way, Hulk ain't going anywhere for at least another year. So all the people paying stupid amounts on eBay are going to feel pretty daft about it...

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I think you need to stop picking fights over nothing.

Hey Kettle, I hear the Pot's got a message for you. Something about being black? I dunno. You'd have to ask him.

Yeah, it is absolutely shocking that this came about, just a few weeks before Christmas...

Most likely recalled all unsold Store copies, and put online.

That is EXACTLY where those "found" copies come from. The GW stores with unsold copies are boxing them up and shipping them back to the warehouse as of today so they can be sold online. This is not speculation, I'm an "eyewitness" to the facts presented here.

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, it is absolutely shocking that this came about, just a few weeks before Christmas...

Ha!

That hadn't actually crossed my mind.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Or it could just be a 'we found another palette of them at the back of the warehouse!" style second chance where they try to get rid of the ones they didn't sell the first time around.

Well predicted


From yesterdays Voxcaster Twitter :-

"Uncovered a tiny quantity of Space Hulk boxes in our US warehouse. One last chance to buy it from our US/Canadian store: http://j.mp/6gNFT8
about 17 hours ago from Adeptus Astra Telepathica"