Should the Dakka Dakka Mods take a more firm stance against people trolling these forums?
I for one feel that they should. I wont go into nameing people, but I see the same people day after day getting threads locked because they troll/argue/spam them to death. (Though im sure we all know who these people are)
In a thread not very long ago 3 different mods posted "Play nice" comments in it and the same people still continued to carry on. They eventually locked the thread, and nothing happened to the offenders... Some of the same people then were involved in getting another thread locked not 24 hours later. Again no action was taken. Combine that with the fact that these same people day after day spam the threads and you cant help but wonder why nothing has been done.
This is just one example of many that I could post on here. Im sure im not the only one on these forums that is sick and tired of the trolling. You have people on here that openly ADMIT that they are trolling for the sake of trolling and do it on a daily basis unchecked and even after multiple reports from different people nothing is done about it.
What im asking is this......
Will the Mods as a whole Please take a firmer stance on people who troll these forums? Its getting to the point where in some areas its as bad as 4chan.
Something like a 3 strikes in a week and you get a temp ban... 3rd temp ban = perm ban... something like that, which gives them time to learn, and if not... the boot would be best...
Translation: you don't see the warnings because they are private.
Frazz, you are the only troll on these forums that I for one, would welcome as our new Overlord!
lolz!
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Yeah, I know the warning are private... but to be honest it doesnt seem to do a lick of good vs some people, who continue doing the exact same thing the next day on a differernt thread.
Translation: you don't see the warnings because they are private.
Frazz, you are the only troll on these forums that I for one, would welcome as our new Overlord!
lolz!
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Yeah, I know the warning are private... but to be honest it doesnt seem to do a lick of good vs some people, who continue doing the exact same thing the next day on a differernt thread.
I think sucking up to the mods gets you three warnings. Looks like you're permabanned now, foo!
Here's the prob, except for Malf and Sanchez you turkeys have been reported at least once. I have been reported-and if saintly little old me has been reported...Should you have been banned? How tough do you want us to be?
Personally, I feel that the Dakka mods are doing a pretty darn good job, and that's reflected in the attitudes of the posters. I mean, let's look at what people call 'trolling' on this forum. It's a good sign for the forum that people cry 'troll' over offences that are more minor, especially since we don't see the major offences that other forums experience. Really, the problem that seems to be at the forefront in this forum isn't actually people posting with the express purposes of angering other posters (which is what trolling, at it's heart is about, intentionally angering the wider community to get a reaction) but the problem most often commented on is posters getting too heated about a debate and moving towards personal attacks and continual posting. That's not trolling on the levels that other forums see.
In summary, the dakka mods are doing a great job, and if you think things are bad here, check out the rest of the internet. At least no one here is rickrolling you.
I am apart of a few different forums around the net and people here Do troll and are VERY open about it.
People here also will drag a argument out over several pages cause they will not refuse to admit they are wrong or simply walk away.
Spam also has been a big problem on here, and even after Yak posted plain as day rules, certain people still violated them for a good while after that.
Granted it is better now then it was a month ago, but thats cause some people havent been around much during that timeframe.
I have to agree that the mods are working. Even though I haven't got any private warnings that "play nice" post is usually enough to get me out of my trolling attitude.
Personally I'm afraid that someday a van will pull up and a bunch of guys wearing dakka dakka shirts will take me away, hopefully somewhere fun, but more than likely not.
I guess it depends on the topic, the kind of trolling/spamming/flaming, and of course the mod's mood.
This is also true KillKrazy. However kindness is often taken for weakness and a firm hand is often needed to restore balance.
Plus common sense goes a very long way when it comes to looking at users and going "Ok, this guy is just trolling for the sake of trolling" and "Ok, this guy is just trying to argue his point in a logical mannor."
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Tacobake wrote:I can't even imagine how much of a hosebag you would have to be to actually get BANNED from www.dakkadakka.com.
And this kinda proves my point in a way. The general air here is that you CANT get banned from dakka. You can pretty much do anything you want short of killing a mod and not get banned.
We have the "!" buttons for a reason. This place has its share of donkey-caves but for the most part they tend to stay here, in the GBS of Dakka. As long as they stay there it should be okay.
jp400 wrote:This is also true KillKrazy. However kindness is often taken for weakness and a firm hand is often needed to restore balance.
Plus common sense goes a very long way when it comes to looking at users and going "Ok, this guy is just trolling for the sake of trolling" and "Ok, this guy is just trying to argue his point in a logical mannor."
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Tacobake wrote:I can't even imagine how much of a hosebag you would have to be to actually get BANNED from www.dakkadakka.com.
And this kinda proves my point in a way. The general air here is that you CANT get banned from dakka. You can pretty much do anything you want short of killing a mod and not get banned.
See there's your problem right there. You're assuming we're alive in the first place...
Since we are going for more strict mods here, can we do away with a few of the somewhat unstable mods please?
No offence, but a few mods on here are just a waste of time.
jp400 wrote:This is also true KillKrazy. However kindness is often taken for weakness and a firm hand is often needed to restore balance.
Plus common sense goes a very long way when it comes to looking at users and going "Ok, this guy is just trolling for the sake of trolling" and "Ok, this guy is just trying to argue his point in a logical mannor."
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Tacobake wrote:I can't even imagine how much of a hosebag you would have to be to actually get BANNED from www.dakkadakka.com.
And this kinda proves my point in a way. The general air here is that you CANT get banned from dakka. You can pretty much do anything you want short of killing a mod and not get banned.
See there's your problem right there. You're assuming we're alive in the first place...
LoL!
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I will agree with you that a couple of the mods on here need to go, however the hard part is judgeing/proveing who is and isnt worthy to stick around and mod.
That reason right there is why on that front nothing will change.
JD21290 wrote:Since we are going for more strict mods here, can we do away with a few of the somewhat unstable mods please?
No offence, but a few mods on here are just a waste of time.
All the mods do they job very well, even if they do troll alot when there not moderating.
No probs with you frazz just a few mods that i dislike.
Malf may be somewhat weird, but he is fine too
I do have reasons aswell, not just a random thing here.
Just mainly based on thier actions over the time ive spent on here and thier "cant be fethed" attitudes.
The mistake we are all making (and I've certainly done it) is to assume we have 'rights' here.
We don't, this is private property, this is Yakface's back yard. He liked the folks who mod enough to ask them to mod. I think perhaps in our nice daily lives, we've been seeing too much eviction by popularity on reality tv shows, we are blurring this.
WE don't get a poll every week where we boot off the mod that we don't like much or certain frequent posters who, we feel, need to be ejected. The mods police according to the wishes of the owners of the site on a voluntary basis, they will take on board feedback regarding certain of the dakka membership and reconcile this against warnings issued, previous penalties dealt out and then discuss it between themselves to reach accord.
Personally I have no great issue with it. I've modded myself and it's fairly thankless and labour intensive and like all hobbies people extent into tasks, you have to be careful it doesn't kill your enthusiasm for the subject matter.
So it's like being a police officer. A thankless job that really sucks.
To change that I would like to thank all of the mods on dakka dakka and especially frazzled for modding the most dangerous part of dakka, the OT forum. May God watch his soul.
JD21290 wrote:Since we are going for more strict mods here, can we do away with a few of the somewhat unstable mods please?
No offence, but a few mods on here are just a waste of time.
Yes! We can gather all the mods up, put them in an arena, and have them fight it out. The one who wins gets to be the new Overlord of Dakka and can appoint mods at will. We will sell tickets for $10 and offer betting.
/sarcasm
In all honesty, I think the mods are doing a great job. Now, only if we could get a few of them over to the Bungie.net forums to "clean house".
MeanGreenStompa wrote:The mistake we are all making (and I've certainly done it) is to assume we have 'rights' here.
We don't, this is private property, this is Yakface's back yard. He liked the folks who mod enough to ask them to mod. I think perhaps in our nice daily lives, we've been seeing too much eviction by popularity on reality tv shows, we are blurring this.
WE don't get a poll every week where we boot off the mod that we don't like much or certain frequent posters who, we feel, need to be ejected. The mods police according to the wishes of the owners of the site on a voluntary basis, they will take on board feedback regarding certain of the dakka membership and reconcile this against warnings issued, previous penalties dealt out and then discuss it between themselves to reach accord.
Personally I have no great issue with it. I've modded myself and it's fairly thankless and labour intensive and like all hobbies people extent into tasks, you have to be careful it doesn't kill your enthusiasm for the subject matter.
Mean green gets a cookie and a new image. Just for you MG:
I've done admin work myself, as well as moderating. You ask for a heavier hand, but the second that a heavier hand is delivered, people start complaining that the mods ignore user feedback and do what they like. Evidence for this would be the reaction when us Swapmods were appointed. The second we started enforcing rules by altering titles and the like, some users immediately started kicking back. Thankfully, that ended once those users became aware of exactly what we were trying to accomplish, but it's a good example of what happens when people think mods are being too strict.
There's a fine line to walk between dictatorship, and 4chan, and as a frequent forum user across the interwebz, I've found that Dakka has the perfect balance. The atmosphere is light and relaxed, and whilst debate can get heated at times, I've never once seen a thread that's descended too far into '4chan syndrome'.
The mods always kick in in the nick of time, A Team style, dishing out warnings, humour, and pictures of cute asian girls in equal amounts.
See, the problem here is that I refuse to post specific events cause I dont want to drag people through the mud..so I cant counter everyones "examples."
However if I did post examples, I could FLOOD this topic of examples in supporting what im saying.
jp400 wrote:See, the problem here is that I refuse to post specific events cause I dont want to drag people through the mud..so I cant counter everyones "examples."
However if I did post examples, I could FLOOD this topic of examples in supporting what im saying.
I doubt anyone will get offended if you post examples, trolls know who they are.
But what I like about Dakka is that people aint afraid to argue with the mods, unlike other forums where people instantly agree with mods for fear of getting banned.
Lord,
If I post examples, then those people will come in here and start a endless argument/namecalling session that will eventually lead to this topic being locked.
Id rather just bite the bullet on this one (So to speak) and keep the discussion civil.
jp400 wrote:See, the problem here is that I refuse to post specific events cause I dont want to drag people through the mud..so I cant counter everyones "examples."
However if I did post examples, I could FLOOD this topic of examples in supporting what im saying.
Then go to the posts that offend, take the quotes from each followed by a link to each thread, compile this into what you believe to be a comprehensive series of evidence on the individual and post it to a mod you especially trust and request that it is brought up on the secret Mod board for discussion by the mods and admin of the site.
Basically, if you want to demonstrate something you think is happening, you should evidence it. It's not fair to point the finger at another user and cry 'J'accuse!' at them to a mod, you have to cite evidence on what you see them doing.
Since this sort of thing is very actively /reported it's likely already a subject of discussion on the Mod board, but another voice raised is another for/against in the discussion.
And waste his time with it? no offence, but i think its just a basic matter for a mod rather than yak.
If the mod ignores it then copy the message and drop it off to another mod.
I've modded and the general mindset is that you are the nazi and you are wrong. Mods are always wrong. They are the evil regime that suppress the truth and everything good about said forum.
That said, I like the mods here. Whenever I press the button I feel that I am being taken serious, even if some of my reports are a bit rude from time to time.
BrookM wrote:I've modded and the general mindset is that you are the nazi and you are wrong. Mods are always wrong. They are the evil regime that suppress the truth and everything good about said forum.
That's the truth, when I modded on the fish forums I was sometimes called the Fish-Nazi due to my strong stance on hybridisation and genetic manipulation of species (also for laying down the nightstick when there was too much squabbling). I was sometimes complained about to the Admins for it. It was almost my user name here.
BrookM wrote:That said, I like the mods here. Whenever I press the button I feel that I am being taken serious, even if some of my reports are a bit rude from time to time.
I've only ever been ignored once, when I got called an illiterate limey bonesmuggling gay. Every other time I'd agree.
The mods are definitely more lax here than what I'm accustomed to for 40k; Warseer's mods look more like 'Forum inquisitors' in this sense. Unlike my experience in WS, there's a handful of posters around here that do get their threads locked relatively regularly and some seem to be very passive aggressive in their methods. Also don't much understand why a community would keep people who constantly troll and bitch @ eachother but thats not a decision for me to make; especially if they also post a heck of a lot.
I imagine moderating a forum isn't too different than managing people in real life or in online MMORPG guilds - lots of drama to deal with and decisions are harder to make the more bureaucrats there are.
I don't think the mods don't do enough. Actually, in some threads Fraz seemed to be rather trigger happy to me, though that might be related to the topic (you know the one I'm talking about).
And I got rickrolled once on Dakka. I think it was in Corpsesarefun's signature.
GBF, i think you just managed to prove that multilazor isnt the worsed writer and a few cheapshots in there, but i wouldnt expect any less from you
all in all, stelek had some great ideas, what let him down was the fact he couldnt post them without a few comments here and there to people.
His lists he writes are still pretty decent though.
Ketara wrote:Then you do what's known as going, 'over their helmet'.
You copy and paste the PM into a new one, add that you were never replied to, and send it off to Yakface.
Hilarious , but good advice.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:The mistake we are all making (and I've certainly done it) is to assume we have 'rights' here.
We don't, this is private property, this is Yakface's back yard. He liked the folks who mod enough to ask them to mod. I think perhaps in our nice daily lives, we've been seeing too much eviction by popularity on reality tv shows, we are blurring this.
WE don't get a poll every week where we boot off the mod that we don't like much or certain frequent posters who, we feel, need to be ejected. The mods police according to the wishes of the owners of the site on a voluntary basis, they will take on board feedback regarding certain of the dakka membership and reconcile this against warnings issued, previous penalties dealt out and then discuss it between themselves to reach accord.
Personally I have no great issue with it. I've modded myself and it's fairly thankless and labour intensive and like all hobbies people extent into tasks, you have to be careful it doesn't kill your enthusiasm for the subject matter.
QFT. You already got your cookies though
Green Blow Fly wrote:I am excited now really not though.
G
I liked your old avatar better...
Orkeosaurus wrote:I think the real question is why hasn't a moderator limited Wrex to, say, 10 images or YouTube links a day.
Hmmm... not too sure... (A challenge you say!!! This will only make the images much more precise, which may or may not be a bad thing ). I am usually pretty considerate of space in threads, but I just HAD TO drop a few funny bombs in here .
I liked my Watchman avatAr because I could easily identify with the Comedian but the new avatar is the chapter master of the Flesh Tearers. They signify all the bad things concentrated in the Blood Angels and to me that makes them tragic. Life can be tragic at times and gallows humor always makes me laugh. Life can be a thin veneer of morality stretched over a canvas of madness. If we can control our urges then maybe we can have some control. It's the things on life that happen we are not prepared for that affect the most. We try our best to eliminate randomness but it is always there.
Hmmm... this caption could use a bit of work, what do you think it should say?
*sigh*
I miss the daily show... which is back in a few days I think. HULU ROCKS!!! Cable tv however... in many more ways than one, does not rock... not at all.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:The mistake we are all making (and I've certainly done it) is to assume we have 'rights' here.
We don't, this is private property, this is Yakface's back yard. He liked the folks who mod enough to ask them to mod.
Based on my experiences as a mod elsewhere you don't ask the people you like to do the job.
Meanwhile, the mods here do a solid job. Light, but consistent touch. I wouldn't mind seeing a policy for punishing deliberate obtuseness, but that can be a tough one to properly moderate.
sebster wrote: I wouldn't mind seeing a policy for punishing deliberate obtuseness, but that can be a tough one to properly moderate.
I totally agree with this plan. There are a handful of posters that seem to delight in "not getting it."
I think that the only real problem with the moderation on dakka is that the Mods have far too little faith in their own ability to make decisions. There seems to be a bit of a "firefighter mentality," where simply putting out the flames is more important than dealing with the high level drama of actually
dealing with the trolls. It's understandable, but a bit counter productive.
The other thing to remember about private PM warnings: users don't see them going out, only going in. When you respond to a long time troll here, and get a PM warning, the first thought is "why am I getting yelled at when this guy says worse stuff every day?" It's what creates the impression, which isn't entirely true, that far from punishing the most notorious trolls, the mods are actually protecting them, by warning those that are too mean to them.
there's also the simple principle that when the people don't see the trials or the punishments, they're not seeing the repercussions of breaking rules. That can lead to more people breaking rules, because they simply don't see anybody getting sanctioned for it.
Polonius wrote:there's also the simple principle that when the people don't see the trials or the punishments, they're not seeing the repercussions of breaking rules. That can lead to more people breaking rules, because they simply don't see anybody getting sanctioned for it.
DakkaDakka is self moderating to a degree that even the most well behaved forums tend to drift away from. The lack of a need for a public pelting ground is a very good sign for the community on the whole... well, many threads become their own mini-pelting grounds... I prefer the watermelon-hammer stance myself, but many prefer a more direct approach... which I refer to on occasion as the banana-staff style, and I think it works quite well. I have been known... on occasion, to implement the more sneaky "Glenn Beck is a tomato" approach, but it's popularity has declined so has my use of it as a conversation tool... of sorts.
My point being that the only salad that can be as diverse as possible is a fruit salad, but on occasion even the best fruit salad has been known to be in keeping with the walnut style of a more traditional salad. Salmon with lemon juice?
Unofficial Glenn Beck quote= "See what I did there? Neither did I..."
I prefer the system we have now... it is a learning process that some choose to ignore . The boot follows the worst and they fly thus forth into the rest of the web... and stuff
What I find amusing is that this thread is directed at me when personal vendettas can be taken up with a mod or Yakface instead. There's also a very obvious 'Ignore' button, which I'm shocked that more people don't use (especially regarding me).
Cheese Elemental wrote:What I find amusing is that this thread is directed at me when personal vendettas can be taken up with a mod or Yakface instead. There's also a very obvious 'Ignore' button, which I'm shocked that more people don't use (especially regarding me).
It is?
I thought it was about the YMDC area of the forum existing in a constant state wherein any thread over 2 pages long is heading for a lock due to someone who just can't let it the feth go and has to post his same argument ad infinitum after everyone else's posts until he cries out that he's 'won' due to everyone else just packing up and going home.
I like you cheesey, your an unstable gibbering loon but you're our unstable gibbering loon and very far down the scale of ebil on Dakka IMO.
@cheese - not gonna get into your spat here, but an issue with the ignore button is that it fails to ignore posts where-in people quote others. Case-in-point, MGS's previous post. Just saying.
The Mods are some of the worst trolls on Dakka. Dakka used to be a great forum back in the day. Now its just a bunch of teens and tweens. The best thing on dakka the last couple of years starts something like this...." I just saw this on warseer (or some other forum)"
Tigerone wrote:The Mods are some of the worst trolls on Dakka. Dakka used to be a great forum back in the day. Now its just a bunch of teens and tweens. The best thing on dakka the last couple of years starts something like this...." I just saw this on warseer (or some other forum)"
I just took a look at your contribution to dakka in the considerable time since you created your online persona here, 30ish posts, mostly concerned with 'happening to mention' that you spend several thousand dollaz on GW stuff. I especially liked the line 'I spend more on GW stuff than many of you make in a year'.
Grats, thanks for sharing with the group. Is that the sort of post I was missing way back when? gak on me, guess I really lost out...
Think I'd rather be listening to a teen excitedly contributing limited usage fluff info he's dreamed up than any more of what your selling mate.
Tigerone wrote:The Mods are some of the worst trolls on Dakka. Dakka used to be a great forum back in the day. Now its just a bunch of teens and tweens. The best thing on dakka the last couple of years starts something like this...." I just saw this on warseer (or some other forum)"
Cheese Elemental wrote:What I find amusing is that this thread is directed at me when personal vendettas can be taken up with a mod or Yakface instead.
There's also a very obvious 'Ignore' button, which I'm shocked that more people don't use (especially regarding me).
And here, I was letting my ego get the better of me, thinking that the thread may have been directed at me... Thanks for setting me straight on this point. Of course, this now raises the question of who else may be under similar misapprehension in a similar vein.
I think it was H.B.M.C., Dakka's own personal Clint Eastwood, who said something along the line of "the ingore button is for people who can't deal with their problems."
Anung Un Rama wrote:I think it was H.B.M.C., Dakka's own personal Clint Eastwood, who said something along the line of "the ingore button is for people who can't deal with their problems."
The ingore button? Does that lie tantalisingly between the ignore button and the engorge button?
Tigerone wrote:The Mods are some of the worst trolls on Dakka. Dakka used to be a great forum back in the day. Now its just a bunch of teens and tweens. The best thing on dakka the last couple of years starts something like this...." I just saw this on warseer (or some other forum)"
Cheese Elemental wrote:What I find amusing is that this thread is directed at me when personal vendettas can be taken up with a mod or Yakface instead. There's also a very obvious 'Ignore' button, which I'm shocked that more people don't use (especially regarding me).
LOL...
Best post yet.
Now lets play Wheres Waldo.... Only instead of Waldo lets find where I pointed out CheeseE anywhere in my posts.
whatwhat wrote:btw where is the engorge button I can't find it?
You need to get your head up close to see it. It's a little nubbin about the size of a pea, usually hidden - just concentrate in the general area, and it should pop up...
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I thought it was about the YMDC area of the forum existing in a constant state wherein any thread over 2 pages long is heading for a lock due to someone who just can't let it the feth go and has to post his same argument ad infinitum after everyone else's posts until he cries out that he's 'won' due to everyone else just packing up and going home.
jp400 wrote:
Now lets play Wheres Waldo.... Only instead of Waldo lets find where I pointed out CheeseE anywhere in my posts.
You didn't point anyone out because you didn't want to get warned. There is a fething Ignore button. Use the damn thing. Until you manage to click it, you'll just continue to act like the Internet Tough Guy (tm) and make me laugh when the chips are down.
Oh wait, I can't see your posts anymore! There we go, now neither of us needs to get warned.
jp400 wrote:
Now lets play Wheres Waldo.... Only instead of Waldo lets find where I pointed out CheeseE anywhere in my posts.
You didn't point anyone out because you didn't want to get warned. There is a fething Ignore button. Use the damn thing. Until you manage to click it, you'll just continue to act like the Internet Tough Guy (tm) and make me laugh when the chips are down.
Oh wait, I can't see your posts anymore! There we go, now neither of us needs to get warned.
Or people can learn to follow the rules , then there are no need force other to attempt to ignore each other.
For example , it takes one person to stop posting stupid things . But it takes thousands of people to put that one person on ignore ( number varies )
Oh wait... im probably the #1 person here that post stupid things... hmmmph!!!!
jp400 wrote:
Now lets play Wheres Waldo.... Only instead of Waldo lets find where I pointed out CheeseE anywhere in my posts.
You didn't point anyone out because you didn't want to get warned. There is a fething Ignore button. Use the damn thing. Until you manage to click it, you'll just continue to act like the Internet Tough Guy (tm) and make me laugh when the chips are down.
Oh wait, I can't see your posts anymore! There we go, now neither of us needs to get warned.
Or people can learn to follow the rules , then there are no need force other to attempt to ignore each other.
For example , it takes one person to stop posting stupid things . But it takes thousands of people to put that one person on ignore ( number varies )
Oh wait... im probably the #1 person here that post stupid things... hmmmph!!!!
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I thought it was about the YMDC area of the forum existing in a constant state wherein any thread over 2 pages long is heading for a lock due to someone who just can't let it the feth go and has to post his same argument ad infinitum after everyone else's posts until he cries out that he's 'won' due to everyone else just packing up and going home.
"i'd like you to meet some of my council members. Here is the Cheesy Elemental." the King pointed to a short fat youth with a bang of purple hairs hanging down covering his pimpled face. Cheesy Elemental was clad in a dark tee shirt and wore overly tight jeans cutting off the circulation to his head.
Is this really the impression I give over the internet?
With regards to Tigerone's comment a few pages back (and I love comments like this): If you really detest Dakka so much, there are many other quality 40k and gaming forums available. Why are you here if you detest it?
It's a shame I don't have the time to do any drinking this weekend (new house and all), otherwise I'd do a multiquote of doom in the post and go all Drunken Mod again. ~Sigh~
GBF: I clicked that link, and had a wall of text collapse on me. I think I've still got an ampersand stuck up my nose. What the heck WAS that?
To everyone who's responding to GBF's post: We do not regulate the content of other forums. If you have problem with the content there, please notify the mods at that forum.
With regard to trolls: Don't forget, when you rise to a troll's bait, they've already won. If you treat them politely and rationally, you take away their power. "Gaze ye not upon the troll, for s/he feasts upon the attention." Yeah, there's no attribution for that quote, as I just made it up.
And for anyone who does have a problem with the mods, contact Yakface. It's his website, he's the Enlightened Despot of this board. He's also one of the absolutely nicest people you will ever meet, so don't be afraid to contact him. He's awfully busy, though, so a response may take a few days. He's not ignoring you.
With regards to Tigerone's comment a few pages back (and I love comments like this): If you really detest Dakka so much, there are many other quality 40k and gaming forums available. Why are you here if you detest it?
I love comments like this We all detest paying GW's prices, but it has to be done to get our fix.
May not allways like everything on dakka, but once again, we need our fix
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To everyone who's responding to GBF's post: We do not regulate the content of other forums. If you have problem with the content there, please notify the mods at that forum.
Ill call BS on that one, as i remember a link to the origional text was removed once (on the WC forum i think)
So no, mods on HERE do remove links.
I am going to close this as it could start getting flamy and is indeed linking to other boards with stories about posters here (I think). That just screams flamebait. You are free to request a revisit or contact Yakface if needed.
). I am usually pretty considerate of space in threads, but I just HAD 
