Now I know this is not a rules question, but more of a "How Do You Play It" survey.

Do you reroll cocked dice? If a dice roll doesn't land flat, but instead is leaning on a piece of terrain, a base, etc. without landing flat on one side, do you reroll it?

It is my practice to reroll any die that doesn't land perfectly flat.

I've also seen people use the "put another die on top of it and see if it stays on" rule for determining whether it's officially cocked and in need of a reroll.

-GK

GiantKiller wrote:It is my practice to reroll any die that doesn't land perfectly flat.

I've also seen people use the "put another die on top of it and see if it stays on" rule for determining whether it's officially cocked and in need of a reroll.

-GK

This is what I do if there is a question as to the flushness of the dice to the table. I also reroll if it goes on the floor.

I reroll any dice that isn't flat. I haven't thought about not doing it....it just seemed like it should be done ._.

We re-roll any dice that lands funny and it is not clear what the result is. We also use the rule that if you miss the table it counts as an auto fail with no re-roll allowed.

Oh in terms of it falling off the table I just reroll those as well.

I play that if it falls off the table you get to re-roll it. Lest the opponent's unit be literally hit with a frustrated d6 hits.

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:Oh in terms of it falling off the table I just reroll those as well.

Same here.

-GK

At our shop we play it exactly as Kornholio described. A die on top to determine if it is cocked, and if they go off the table it's a re-roll.

If we played auto miss on hitting the floor I'd need to develop a whole new die rolling style (I like it when the dice bounce, as my gambler's fallacy dictates that if they hit the table and stop without a good bouncing/rolling around it is somehow more likely to be a low number...maybe I should try this for my leadership rolls which i always seem to fail. Hmmm.)

We play that if dice hit the floor you are banished from the gaming group forever, never to play another game of 40k with us again.

Seriously, it's not hard to roll them on the table. People who hurl their dice are one of my pet peeves.

I think that having dice that go off the table auto-fail is a bit draconian. The best way to ensure that the dice are being random (as opposed to being manipulated in some way) is to give them a good, vigorous toss across the gaming surface. Sometimes, this means dice go off the table. I'd rather encourage fair rolling than discourage it.

willydstyle wrote:I think that having dice that go off the table auto-fail is a bit draconian. The best way to ensure that the dice are being random (as opposed to being manipulated in some way) is to give them a good, vigorous toss across the gaming surface. Sometimes, this means dice go off the table. I'd rather encourage fair rolling than discourage it.

Theres giving them a toss across the table and then there is giving them a toss across 4 tables and the floor.

Yes, we always do in our monthly RTT's.

Well yeah if they like hurl them in a slingshot against the table and send them flying then they're out of here, but if it's just like "Oh, a few rolled off my bad" then give the man/woman, most likely man as I have yet to see a female play 40k, his reroll.

I reroll if you cannot legally sit a dice on top of it without it falling

I reroll anything not entirely flat and anything off the table.

I will reroll if the die is not flat, in accordance with how my opponent rerolls. Most of the time, if it is questionable at all people will ask if you agree that a die is cocked. I usually say you may reroll if you want as long as you always reroll in the same situation. That way it's their choice for the first one, and the rest are held to the same standard, including mine.

A related question: if rolling multiple d6 for a roll, E.G. Ld checks, if one is cocked do you/your group reroll both or just one?

I'd reroll just the one that is cocked. If you reroll all the dice that you throw in groups it may eat more time as you'll have a higher chance of finding another cocked one and having to keep rerollin'.

Note that I wasn't asking about a single group of rolls, but rather a single roll that requires groups of dice: Ld Checks, Fall back distance, scatter, etc.

In the case of Ld tests etc we re-roll both dice.

Here is a question for all of you: Do cocked dice count towards the "you may only re-roll a dice once" rule?

I know and while it may not occur as much I still choose to only reroll the cocked one only. It's really up to you and who you're playing with.

Gwar! wrote:

Here is a question for all of you: Do cocked dice count towards the "you may only re-roll a dice once" rule?

Nope. IMO if cocked dice were to be counted the rules would indicate such.

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:Well yeah if they like hurl them in a slingshot against the table and send them flying then they're out of here, but if it's just like "Oh, a few rolled off my bad" then give the man/woman, most likely man as I have yet to see a female play 40k, his reroll.

Maybe you just haven't been paying attention, or have been paying attention to the wrong things?

Maybe, or perhaps it's due to not visiting game stores enough @_@

Khornholio wrote: I also reroll if it goes on the floor.

If I can't hit a 4x6 table, I'm rolling too wild. In my house, if it doesn't land on the table, it counts as a miss.

Oh, here's another dice rolling question. What about finding "Lucky" dice. Once my buddy desperately needed to make a save. So he picked up about a dozen dice and rolled them, then picked up the high rollers from that group and rolled them again. Then used the ones from that bunch to make the save. (Which he passed) I was like "OH HELL NO!!" Maybe i'm just superstitious but I made him roll the save again with different dice (which he made again) so it was cool after that. Now I know these dice aren't weighted but even the extruded dice can tend to be heavier on one side.

What do you guys think? How would you have handled it.

Watsabi wrote:Oh, here's another dice rolling question. What about finding "Lucky" dice. Once my buddy desperately needed to make a save. So he picked up about a dozen dice and rolled them, then picked up the high rollers from that group and rolled them again. Then used the ones from that bunch to make the save. (Which he passed) I was like "OH HELL NO!!" Maybe i'm just superstitious but I made him roll the save again with different dice (which he made again) so it was cool after that. Now I know these dice aren't weighted but even the extruded dice can tend to be heavier on one side.

What do you guys think? How would you have handled it.

I try to control my personal gambler's fallacy - but usually don't feel the need to mess with other people's. I'd have no problem with someone wanting to use their 'lucky' die for any given roll. Locally I play a guy who always rolls dice that have just rolled a '1' because he feels it's less likely to then roll another '1'. It's just the reverse of what you described and in any case I'd have no problem with it.

Yes, is the simple answer to the thread question. But you mean is how to decide whether it is worthy of being cocked or not. I think.

It really doesn't matter the standard used for determining if a die is cocked and should be re-rolled, as long as the standard is consistent. the dice stack test is a fine rule, and it seems fair.

Counting dice off the table as auto-fails is certainly a fun option, but it's not one that I'd really enjoy. It's one thing if you're always dropping dice, but most people lose one or two a game.

I rather like my current system of if the dice lands on anything it's cocked. No argueing about if it's cocked enough.

I reroll all cocked dice and any dice that fall off the table. Even more so, if I count out a certain number of dice for a roll (example, how many attacks my Orks are about to roll) and then pick them up, any that fall out of my hands I leave it on the table, regardless of result. Now, this usually only happens with those massive dice pools (40+ Ork attacks), but I feel that I should be consistent.

On the topic of picking up dice, I really hate it when people pick up the "successful" dice, because you can never tell if they are fudging 1 or 2 low rolls. We always make sure you pick up the Misses and the Failed wounds and leave the successful ones on the table for the opponent to see.

That must be a real pain with Ork shooting! Do you really not trust each other enough?

The deal is that if you only pick up failed rolls, it's just as quick as the other way, but there's no potential for "accidentally" picking up a couple extra "successes."

willydstyle wrote:The deal is that if you only pick up failed rolls, it's just as quick as the other way, but there's no potential for "accidentally" picking up a couple extra "successes."

Which is exactly why we do it.

The way I roll it's faster to pick up hits (if there even are any)

I pick up failed rolls, and reroll anything I find questionable or that my opponent requests.

Picking up "successful" rolls is shady, and to be avoided.

kirsanth wrote:I pick up failed rolls, and reroll anything I find questionable or that my opponent requests.

Picking up "successful" rolls is shady, and to be avoided.

Agreed. Then you can't, as Gwar! and Willydstyle have said, 'accidentally' grab too many dice. Plus you can do it super-fast, then double-check with your opponent to see if you missed any. Also makes any kinds of rerolls easier (TL guns, poison, etc. etc.) by simply rolling the dice now in your hand.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:That must be a real pain with Ork shooting! Do you really not trust each other enough?

It's not entirely a question of trust; if somone's trying to pluck out 20 of 60 dice with their undoubtedly meaty digits, misses may come too. It's just a show of good faith to be as open about your rolling as possible. I'm ok with something like shoota boyz if the opponent wants to set aside hits, I just hate when people pluck out all their hits into their fist and go 'K I'M ROLLING WOUND NOW". Besides, who doesn't enjoy watching the probabilities of dice play out? How am I going to notice if my opponent or myself hits with all 20 bolter shots, then wounds 2 guardsmen with them?

I file picking out fails under the same category as not smelling like road kill and proper infantry movement measurement: 40k Etiquette. Which would actually make for a pretty good article....

whys no one mentioned page 19? cocked dice & dice on the floor? Cocked = call it or re-roll in doubt; Floor = auto miss

the floor=auto miss is defined as a house rule, not a binding rule

MasterSlowPoke wrote:the floor=auto miss is defined as a house rule, not a binding rule

But it is in t3h roolbookz!2!!"12!"oneoneoneone!!!1

I'll rephrase that why has no one mentioned page 19 ... I play it that if a die misses the 4'by6' table then its an auto fail ... I've never missed the table I can't see how you can manage it without manic throwing.

Just remember that "Dropping dice as you are picking them up" is not the same as missing the table.

Thanks y'all. Personally I re-roll anything that looks questionable. I'd rather give my opponent (and the fates) the benefit of the doubt.

Interesting too are the comments about picking out misses instead of hits. I like my opponent to see everything going on with the dice and just feel it's not fair to them if I don't let them see what hit and what didn't. I'll typically try to get my opponent to help me as I'm picking out misses and ask them "do you see any I missed" when I'm tossing lots of dice. This engages them and requests tacit agreement that yes, they accept the dice results.

Agreed. Once in a while I get the "you grabbed the 3s and those were hits" so I re-roll all of the dice. All of them.

Grabbing "successful" rolls means anyone questioning is, at best, questionable. And asserting which dice were "successful" is simply personal, and this causes more problems than it solves

Tri wrote:I'll rephrase that why has no one mentioned page 19 ... I play it that if a die misses the 4'by6' table then its an auto fail ... I've never missed the table I can't see how you can manage it without manic throwing.

I don't "miss" the table when my dice end up on the floor. I always roll towards myself so as to avoid dice ending up banging into my/opponent's models and/or scenery which I find to be quite annoying. However, some of our local tables have a raised edge (think Vegas craps table) and some do not. On the ones that do not my rolling method tends to have dice end up on the floor.

Thor665 wrote:I don't "miss" the table when my dice end up on the floor. I always roll towards myself so as to avoid dice ending up banging into my/opponent's models and/or scenery which I find to be quite annoying. However, some of our local tables have a raised edge (think Vegas craps table) and some do not. On the ones that do not my rolling method tends to have dice end up on the floor.

Not to mention the fact that if you've got a couple of large armies with some complex terrain, I frequently find that the clearest areas of table are near the edges...

If I faced someone who insisted that all drops were auto-misses, I'd grab the pop die from the middle of a 'Trouble' board and roll everything one die at a time

unistoo wrote:

Thor665 wrote:I don't "miss" the table when my dice end up on the floor. I always roll towards myself so as to avoid dice ending up banging into my/opponent's models and/or scenery which I find to be quite annoying. However, some of our local tables have a raised edge (think Vegas craps table) and some do not. On the ones that do not my rolling method tends to have dice end up on the floor.

Not to mention the fact that if you've got a couple of large armies with some complex terrain, I frequently find that the clearest areas of table are near the edges...

If I faced someone who insisted that all drops were auto-misses, I'd grab the pop die from the middle of a 'Trouble' board and roll everything one die at a time

The tables never that full .... if you are worried about hitting the model and/or scenery then roll in a tray (or box lid). As for you're "roll everything one die at a time" unistoo, I wouldn't want to play some one that continually managed to drop dice off the board.

Tri wrote:

unistoo wrote:

Thor665 wrote:I don't "miss" the table when my dice end up on the floor. I always roll towards myself so as to avoid dice ending up banging into my/opponent's models and/or scenery which I find to be quite annoying. However, some of our local tables have a raised edge (think Vegas craps table) and some do not. On the ones that do not my rolling method tends to have dice end up on the floor.

Not to mention the fact that if you've got a couple of large armies with some complex terrain, I frequently find that the clearest areas of table are near the edges...

If I faced someone who insisted that all drops were auto-misses, I'd grab the pop die from the middle of a 'Trouble' board and roll everything one die at a time

The tables never that full ....

I disagree. The table doesn't have to be packed for a large handful of dice to be forced close enough to the edge to have a couple/few roll off the edge.

Tri wrote:The tables never that full .... if you are worried about hitting the model and/or scenery then roll in a tray (or box lid). As for you're "roll everything one die at a time" unistoo, I wouldn't want to play some one that continually managed to drop dice off the board.

But I don't think anyone is claiming that we drop dice "continually." I probably, over the course of a game where I'm playing on a table that will allow my dice to fall over the edge, have about five or six dice end up on the floor.

To be frank, if I was playing someone who insisted upon a "dice on floor=auto-fail" I would roll my dice into the center of the board every time just to be sure and I'd probably have no dice hit the floor. I only took exception to the way you implied anyone who had dice end up on the floor was a bit of an unreasonable manic roller who misses the table because of some inherent flaw and thus need to be punished. Locally we have one gamer who due to some physical ailments has difficulty with his dice, and even though he uses a cup to roll still has dice end up on the floor that, because of his situation, I pick up for him.

Would I prefer not to have to pause the game while I pick up his dice? Sure.
Do I believe I need to start playing by a rule that will punish him for it? No.
Do I feel I need to play by a rule that will punish me for my method of rolling dice? Not really.

But, at the same time I don't begrudge you choosing to play that way - I just find that I'm feeling as though you're implying that somehow because I roll and "miss" the table that I'm being inconsiderate to others and need an in game punishment because my die rolling skills are clearly improper and less then that of those able to roll upon the table. Which is the read I'm getting off your posts, perhaps incorrectly, but it's why I feel an urge to explain why us "table missers" are not to be vilified.

ha of course i wouldn't begrudge some one with an aliment that gives them reduced mobility. Still missing the table is not something that happens very often for me or those i play with. Its rare for anything to fall off the table and I've always played it as a miss because of that.

Voted A

Re-rolling anything that looks iffy is fine by me. Potential for abuse is there, but I haven't seen anyone do it too much.

Also never had trouble with people scattering dice across the floor (yet) but I suppose that would be annoying. Repeat offenders would probably be cautioned with the "auto-fail" treatment but accidents happen.

I just use an upturned vehicle box (my old Cadian Battleforce box) and avoid both cocked dice and dropping them on the floor 99% of the time.

Of course you can't really do it with scatter dice (although I suppose you could still roll the 2D6 in the box) but you're probably rolling those extra carefully because you're near models anyway.

I always pick up the misses, it's just as easy as picking up hits and people don't get suspicious.

DoW

Our group has a 3 stage solution to on the table cocked dice (off the table dice are just re rolled).

1) hit the table next to the dice, if this leads to it being un cocked then hurrah, if not...
2) try and balance a die on top, if this fails...
3) just re-roll the damn thing.

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:Oh in terms of it falling off the table I just reroll those as well.

As you should. Why should be penalized for something bouncing oddly or rolling around more than might be normally expected?

Dice off the table = Auto Fail is a complete fail. Completely ridiculous. Apply it like you would a board game at home. If a die goes off the table in Monopoly, do you discount it and say it was never rolled?

With my Orks it depends on how I rolled. If there are a ton of hits, I'll pick up the misses, if a bunch of misses I pick up the hits but make sure my opponent is watching.

As far as cocked die, I usually re-roll anything that even looks cocked. I've never been a fan of "can I set another die on top of it without it rolling off. I've seen a few folk jam one on top of a cocked die literally moving it with the pressure he applies.

I reroll cocked dice. Simple. In addition, if one die lands flat on top of another, they both stand as they are.

Where I'm from, people do these funny things called 'looking' and 'counting'. If I needed 6's or 5+ to wound and I'm rolling 24 dice, I'm not going to pick up the fails. I don't care how loud and American you are. They're called eyes. You see with them. I hate it when people are picky about this. If it's about even I habitually pick up the fails to get them out of the way, not to placate paranoid opponents.

I'm not suerstitious about dice at all, but one thing I really hate is when your opponent tries to 'help' pick up hits or misses. That's just damned annoying, and never makes things faster because they get in the way.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Yes, generally always. It avoids problems that way.

I use computer generated random numbers these days. No worries about cocked dice.

Tri wrote:ha of course i wouldn't begrudge some one with an aliment that gives them reduced mobility. Still missing the table is not something that happens very often for me or those i play with. Its rare for anything to fall off the table and I've always played it as a miss because of that.

Good for you. If you tried to force your issue on me I'd laugh and ignore you.

Frazzled wrote:

Tri wrote:ha of course i wouldn't begrudge some one with an aliment that gives them reduced mobility. Still missing the table is not something that happens very often for me or those i play with. Its rare for anything to fall off the table and I've always played it as a miss because of that.

Good for you. If you tried to force your issue on me I'd laugh and ignore you.

but then it won't come up unless you continually miss the table? As I said if you're able of body and mind you can roll dice with out dropping them off the board.

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

Mattlov wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

-Grabs handful of dice- "Oh yeah I got, um, 17 hits."
-Rolls- "Oh Look, 16 Wounds!" -Scoops Dice-

Gwar! wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

-Grabs handful of dice- "Oh yeah I got, um, 17 hits."
-Rolls- "Oh Look, 16 Wounds!" -Scoops Dice-

That is fair, apparently, because you told your opponent how many "successes" you got.

Thankfully I have never had to deal with anyone that used that line of "reasoning".

And it is disallowed in most venues I have seen.

shrug

Tri wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tri wrote:ha of course i wouldn't begrudge some one with an aliment that gives them reduced mobility. Still missing the table is not something that happens very often for me or those i play with. Its rare for anything to fall off the table and I've always played it as a miss because of that.

Good for you. If you tried to force your issue on me I'd laugh and ignore you.

but then it won't come up unless you continually miss the table? As I said if you're able of body and mind you can roll dice with out dropping them off the board.

And if they do go off the table I'm more worried about the dice. I'll re-roll it once I find it, and will ignore you if you think those should count as misses.

I have lost about a half dozen dice, I think about half are my fault. Those I count as misses. Because I miss them.

On the plus side, I have 4 scatter dice now - despite only having 2 a while back.

I still end every game with "Are any of these yours? Do you want one? I have no clue how I got so many". No one will take them.

I think people are a little over zealous when it comes to rerolling dice. It is a very rare occurrence that you can't tell what number the cocked die is showing.

When playing though, I follow my opponents lead. If they reroll all slightly cocked dice so will I.

Seems like there's a lot of seriously paranoid folks out there when it comes to dice.

I agree that in a tournament there's more at stake and it's maybe a bit more of an issue to watch for people trying to fudge their rolls but I can't imagine that being an issue during friendly games.

If I noticed someone sneaking in a few more hits or a few more wounds I would probably call them on it and ask them to go a little more slowly or count a little more carefully (trying to be diplomatic and not throwing out the 'C' word) just for my benefit. If they refused, well then they're not worth playing with. I'm not going to say "pick up the misses or else!" because that's their prerogative and now I'm being the dick. As long as I can follow what they're doing I don't care how they count them up.

This being said, I consider myself a very honest person when it comes to 40k but I'll still make the occasional error when counting a big group of dice. If an opponent calls me on it, I'll thank them and we'll move on. If they're still unhappy, I'll offer to reroll. Everyone makes mistakes and it's not very fair to vilify them for it.

Then again, I might just be naive...

DoW

Isn't re-rolling cocked dice something that you should talk about with your opponent prior to playing?

I mean, you might already have an agreement or custom that you're both used to, but sometimes people play with strangers and these things should be settled before they come up in the game.

Otherwise, doesn't sportsmanship dictate that you make sure all your dice rolls are fair, that any possibly cocked successes are re-rolled, and that you take the time to carefully sort successes from failures?

I reroll if it's off the table, or not clearly readable. If the die is headed off the board, I'll throw a die.

It doesn't need to be perfectly flat and flush to the table.

The game goes faster this way, rather than trying to balance dice / re-roll more.

Keep things moving!

I haven't been reading all that closely, but does no one on Dakka use a dice tower, or simply roll in a box?

Personally I loathe dice towers - though I have played with one fellow who used one till he became convinced t'was unlucky.

I have used box tops, though sometimes I do not due to space considerations and a dislike for how Chessex dice roll on bare cardboard (I've never tried rolling in a plastic box top because I'm just too chintzy to purchase one I suppose)

I'm using random number generators these days, but back in the way we'd use a box, the best being a wooden that double as one guy's army tote. Gotta bank the dice, after all.

I'll agree with the banking, and rolling on hard wood is always a pleasure. Do you bring along a laptop for the random number generation or are you running it off a PDA or something?

My one buddy has a tower, and we've been known to roll in boxes as well.

Thor665:

It depends on what's available. iPhones are just too cool with their dice apps, but a laptop is more effective for the pots of dice that get thrown in Warhammer. I even have a calculator that'll do D6s and coin flips.

Some of my friends tend to whine "cocked" whenever a dice gets about 1 degree off the horizontal on the tablecloth (usually only rolls they failed or I passed mind) so I have to reroll them just for the sake of not causing a fight. But if it were up to me I would only reroll anything almost on it's edge and you can't tell. Most dice just get slightly caught and you can almost always see what it will be. If it's on the floor it's a reroll (again because otherwise my friends will complain)

My friends played alot differently.

It was a cocked dice if it could not be read or was not flat BUT

If you wanted the player could try the balancing act and put another like dice on top of it if the dice stayed the roll was good.


Also, reroll off the table dice.

This doesn't come up as my group uses a dicebox.
Only dice ending up in the box counts.

kirsanth wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

-Grabs handful of dice- "Oh yeah I got, um, 17 hits."
-Rolls- "Oh Look, 16 Wounds!" -Scoops Dice-

That is fair, apparently, because you told your opponent how many "successes" you got.

Thankfully I have never had to deal with anyone that used that line of "reasoning".

And it is disallowed in most venues I have seen.

shrug

Ah, so the issue can only be justified through exaggeration and doublespeak. And this is an argument founded on a lack of trust? Are you guys just saying that you're false and untrustworthy? Or is it just that you generally play against people that you don't trust?

... And to think that someone would actually design a greeen die with green pips... and that someone else would actually buy and use said dice.

I fething hate speckled dice with a unholy passion that caused m to kill a prolifer.


Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to make a dice purple and black then make the pips black.


ugh I hates them

Hollismason wrote:I fething hate speckled dice with a unholy passion that caused m to kill a prolifer.


Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to make a dice purple and black then make the pips black.


ugh I hates them

had a friend with these ...one day I wasn't playing, so I spent the game colouring in the pips with a gold pen ... They look much better.

Touching another man's dice is like touching his balls, so basically you colored in your friends balls with a gold pen.

Hollismason wrote:Touching another man's dice is like touching his balls, so basically you colored in your friends balls with a gold pen.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Ah, so the issue can only be justified through exaggeration and doublespeak. And this is an argument founded on a lack of trust? Are you guys just saying that you're false and untrustworthy? Or is it just that you generally play against people that you don't trust?

Trust? Exaggeration? Double Speak?

Part of my post was mocking, sure.
But picking up misses eliminates most relevant human error. Intentional or not.

Picking up hits is fine if you want to play slowly so that your opponent can see and count the hits with you before you pick them up would be fine. If you have the time.
That faster you go, the less viable that is.

If you do not let your opponent see the die rolls, you are quickly going into the "distrusted" catagory of many folks I know.
What do you have to hide?

kirsanth wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Ah, so the issue can only be justified through exaggeration and doublespeak. And this is an argument founded on a lack of trust? Are you guys just saying that you're false and untrustworthy? Or is it just that you generally play against people that you don't trust?

Trust? Exaggeration? Double Speak?

Part of my post was mocking, sure.
But picking up misses eliminates most relevant human error. Intentional or not.

Picking up hits is fine if you want to play slowly so that your opponent can see and count the hits with you before you pick them up would be fine. If you have the time.
That faster you go, the less viable that is.

If you do not let your opponent see the die rolls, you are quickly going into the "distrusted" catagory of many folks I know.
What do you have to hide?

Kirsanth is objectively correct. There is no reason to not give your opponant an opportunity to double check your rolls even during friendly games. I trust my friend's motivations, but I don't always trust their eyes. I know that I personally have mistaken the cancellation cuts on my dice for pips when excited or in a hurry. It takes just a few seconds to pick up misses and let your opponant take a quick look before rolling, and it turns a 20/20 shooting result from a "Really? Are you kidding?" moment to a "Wow, well done!" moment.
Look at it this way: you expect your wife to trust you, but if you are out to all hours and come home smelling like cheap perfume and someone else's sweat she is going to be suspicious and it will hurt your relationship, whether you were doing anything untoward or not.

Speaking of cocking (*rimshot*), we generally play that if it is a success, it is gentlemanly of the roller to ask if his opponant would like him to reroll. Generally if it is less than a 45 degree angle we decline. Also, if it is hooked on a base or something easily moved, we move the object and let it settle. It isn't a huge problem for me since I use big freaking casino dice which are not inclined to roll around much.

As to dice on the floor, we always reroll them if they fall. I personally don't like rolling near models (every time I drop a 3/4" die on a model I flinch in pain) and play armies that generally throw lots of dice, so I end up rolling near the edges as does everyone else around here. It makes them easier to pick up.
We have designated one corner of the basement floor as the "dice box" though for those times when you need to literally throw down 36 daemonette attacks or something.

Wehrkind wrote:We have designated one corner of the basement floor as the "dice box" though for those times when you need to literally throw down 36 daemonette attacks or something.

If 36 dice is "a lot of dice", you are doing it wrong

When your dice are 1" per side, it's a lot of dice

Plus we use a lot of terrain with uneven surfaces, so it avoids too many cocked dice.

kirsanth wrote:If you do not let your opponent see the die rolls, you are quickly going into the "distrusted" catagory of many folks I know.
What do you have to hide?

I can see where you're coming from there. I would probably unconsciously do the same thing (i.e. put someone in the "distrusted" category) even if I probably wouldn't admit it to them.

As hypocritical as it sounds, it really bugs me when a single die goes behind something, I call out that it's a hit or a miss, yet the other guy HAS to come around and see it before I pick it up. I'd be okay with it if my opponent always wanted to double check the result regardless, but they only seem interested in coming around to my side of the table when it's a hit.

Multiple dice in a huge bunch, okay sure, people can make mistakes. A single die in a friendly game? Now you're just assuming that someone is going to be deceitful. I think that's a little insulting.

DoW

EDIT - To clarify, it only gets annoying after the 3rd or 5th (or 10th) time I've correctly called a single hit or miss that isn't visible to my opponent and they still need to double-check me. Eh, maybe I just need to relax.

@DoW: Maybe it's you?

I like to ensure that people see all of my rolls, even the odd single die. I feel better that way.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@DoW: Maybe it's you?

I must just look like a shifty fellow. C'est la vie!

DoW

Well, why do they need to check the misses? I don't get that.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Well, why do they need to check the misses? I don't get that.

Well that's my point. If they were actually interested in the roll then I could understand the need to see the die whether it was a hit or a miss. Instead, they just assume I'm going to try and cheat them for some reason so they only check out the hits.

The irony being I could lie about every single hit that rolls out of view, tell them it's a miss, and they would be perfectly happy. That means it's not about honesty or sportsmanship, it's about winning.

The more I think about it the more I think it's just a personal quirk of mine. I tend to trust someone implicitly when I meet them until they give me a reason not to. If I'm playing a new opponent and they say it's a hit, it's a hit. If I happen to see them lying about one of their hits then yes, I would check them from then on. I have never lied about a roll in my life but it seems like the people I play with must be used to people fudging their rolls so they automatically assume I will do the same.

DoW

I re-roll if it's not flat or if it falls off the table. By the by, I get peeved by aggressive die rollers that roll dice right into my painted figs.