So im sure most have you have experienced it, if you havent then i envy you!

My GW is down the road from the town centre of my local town ( i live in the middle of the country side, the towns not even that big tbh!) but ofcourse theres always some smart kid/s who just want to show off and be cool by walking into the shop and giving everyone a load of stick, or actually breaking models.. Now ive read alot of replies on other threads, with people claiming "bl bla bla if they touched my models i'd beat the out of them" but this really does not stand up. In this day and age that simply doesnt work, and most likely you'd just get sued, or arrested yourself.

Last saturday this kid walked in an fluresent ink t-shirt, he walks around shouting this shop is gak, ignoring the store worker, who can clearly do nothing to get the kid out, but call the police. He asks us all to take out our phones and take a picture of the kid, and then continues to call the police, and at this moment the kid himself and runs like hell.

Now i just wondered how other people deal with this, and no "i just beat them up", because lets be honest, thats hardly true

Jack.

To be honest there isn't a lot you can do except for ignore them.

They are trying to get attention to make up for the fact that the only love they have ever had in their sad little lives is when their uncle used to creep into thier room late at night.

It would be nice if a simple slap could send them on thier way, but as you said this will normaly result in either a gang of feral rat children surrounding you on the way home, or some overzealous copper chucking you in a cell for the evening.

So yeah, in brief I tend to ignore them and content myself with the fact that no matter how crap life can seem from time to time, the highlight of it will not be punching your mum on the Jeremy Kyle show

Get the manager to whisper very loudly to a blue shirt that hes going to call the police and there usually run.

TheFirstBorn wrote:So im sure most have you have experienced it, if you havent then i envy you!

My GW is down the road from the town centre of my local town ( i live in the middle of the country side, the towns not even that big tbh!) but ofcourse theres always some smart kid/s who just want to show off and be cool by walking into the shop and giving everyone a load of stick, or actually breaking models.. Now ive read alot of replies on other threads, with people claiming "bl bla bla if they touched my models i'd beat the out of them" but this really does not stand up. In this day and age that simply doesnt work, and most likely you'd just get sued, or arrested yourself.

Last saturday this kid walked in an fluresent ink t-shirt, he walks around shouting this shop is gak, ignoring the store worker, who can clearly do nothing to get the kid out, but call the police. He asks us all to take out our phones and take a picture of the kid, and then continues to call the police, and at this moment the kid himself and runs like hell.

Now i just wondered how other people deal with this, and no "i just beat them up", because lets be honest, thats hardly true

Jack.

Why beat him up when you can beat him down?
Taser gun?
Killer attack Gerbil?
Store pet Rottweiler named PanFo?
Parakeets taught to say "Iron within Iron without!"
Annoying sister on-site?
A full rack of V4 whippy sticks to repel borders?
Empty a clip downrange as a warning shot?
Canned rancid gamer funk hurled at them?
spiky marine mini launcher and/or boobytrap?

Frazzled wrote:
Why beat him up when you can beat him down?
Taser gun?
Killer attack Gerbil?
Store pet Rottweiler named PanFo?
Parakeets taught to say "Iron within Iron without!"
Annoying sister on-site?
A full rack of V4 whippy sticks to repel borders?
Empty a clip downrange as a warning shot?
Canned rancid gamer funk hurled at them?
spiky marine mini launcher and/or boobytrap?

Can beat those suggestions

Just deploy one rabid Frazzie around the main entrance.

It might keep out customers too though.

Oh no I am quite welcoming and can attract lots of business. For a small fee I can practically insure any near passers by will come into your store (get in there!)

Seriously though...those whippy sticks might be a good idea...

TheFirstBorn wrote:So im sure most have you have experienced it, if you havent then i envy you!

My GW is down the road from the town centre of my local town ( i live in the middle of the country side, the towns not even that big tbh!) but ofcourse theres always some smart kid/s who just want to show off and be cool by walking into the shop and giving everyone a load of stick, or actually breaking models.. Now ive read alot of replies on other threads, with people claiming "bl bla bla if they touched my models i'd beat the out of them" but this really does not stand up. In this day and age that simply doesnt work, and most likely you'd just get sued, or arrested yourself.

Last saturday this kid walked in an fluresent ink t-shirt, he walks around shouting this shop is gak, ignoring the store worker, who can clearly do nothing to get the kid out, but call the police. He asks us all to take out our phones and take a picture of the kid, and then continues to call the police, and at this moment the kid himself and runs like hell.

Now i just wondered how other people deal with this, and no "i just beat them up", because lets be honest, thats hardly true

Jack.

Warn him clearly before beating him up?

Whats he doing thats bad other than breaking model so far? tell him " you touch anything without my permission god help you if you break my model , i'll break something on you too "

*edit , i realize that most of you are adults so you seem to be afraid of getting caught by law . Then ask your children to do it xD
or someone under 18

If you were achually going to punch a chav for breaking your models, do not do it in the gaming store!

Your end up breaking other people models and getting banned.

I call security and get them tossed out of the mall. Being a jerk isn't against the law. Being a jerk and breaking other people's property crosses the line.

Actually im 15, and am tall but pathetically skiny so would probably throw a pathetic punch! but the best thing ive seen yet was in my local GW a year ago wear a chav walked in an asked cockily how to play, and the manager gave him a dice and asked him to roll it, he rolled 2 and asked what it meant (in one of there stupid voices) and the manager said "thats how many seconds you have to get out of my store before i call the police" and the pathetic excuse for a human being ran for his life! love it.

You guys get kids causing trouble over there in merrie olde england? My FLGS is in the hood, next to a barber shop and across the street from housing projects, and I've never had any problems.

Of course, the owner of the barber shop recently sliced up a would be thief with a straight razor, so maybe punks know to stay away.

I dunno, here in the states businesses can generally make a call to the local Police, and they'll harass the local riff raff until they know they're not wanted.

Not sure how it is over there across the Atlantic but a stern glare from the entire shop, cell phone cameras, and a warning of pressing charges for destruction of private property should any models indeed fall victim to the pest all tend to keep pesky things like this from happening.

As stated previously, should it truly escalate to the point of physical violence beyond ushering the person out the door let it be done far away from the game store.

Polonius wrote:You guys get kids causing trouble over there in merrie olde england? My FLGS is in the hood, next to a barber shop and across the street from housing projects, and I've never had any problems.

Of course, the owner of the barber shop recently sliced up a would be thief with a straight razor, so maybe punks know to stay away.

I dunno, here in the states businesses can generally make a call to the local Police, and they'll harass the local riff raff until they know they're not wanted.

Usually riff raff won't enter the den of evil that is the local FLGS. Can't be a gangsta steppin into a toy soldier store yo.

TheFirstBorn wrote:Actually im 15, and am tall but pathetically skiny so would probably throw a pathetic punch! but the best thing ive seen yet was in my local GW a year ago wear a chav walked in an asked cockily how to play, and the manager gave him a dice and asked him to roll it, he rolled 2 and asked what it meant (in one of there stupid voices) and the manager said "thats how many seconds you have to get out of my store before i call the police" and the pathetic excuse for a human being ran for his life! love it.

Im not trying to encourage violence but , human tendon and sinew are only a few milimeter below the flesh
it doesnt take alot of mass or force to be able to heavily traumatize them if you know where to hit .
(take some lessons , learn where the human pressure points are . guaranteed that the person wont be able to walk away ,
and save yourself the trouble of getting sued compared to breaking someone's nose for example )

@ Frazzled

Word, homeslice.

Carry around a self-defense cane. In the US of A they're usually legal and can be one hell of a weapon just as long as you're not going up against a firearm.

Of course, physical violence against IRL trolls shouldn't be encouraged unless they throw the first punch. Being in the store and having a cell phone to call the police is a safer and easier alternative.

you know, all the gaming stores i've frequented have never really had problems with punks.....but then again, damn near every gaming store i've been to has been run by ex-military and/or kept a large dog at the shop......now that i think about it, the one place kept a claymore by the counter

I tell you what the solution isn't

And that's stereotyping any lout in Mckenzie or displaying anti-social behaviour.

Evidently this thread will solve all public disorders in 'fringe' shops, so good look with that.

/end sarcasm

Just call the police if he broke something. They did not have your permission to pick it up and broke it on purpose. That is a crime and the cost of the models are expensive. Call the police, have a report taken and if that does not work then take them to small claims court. Since they are childern then their parents will have to go to court and be responsible for the damages. That will normally do more than a simple beating.

We've had dorks like that occasionally come into the place where I game at.
We just ignore them because they really aren't worth the bother, but it was really amusing the time a couple came in when the sole people in the store playing was a bunch had just gotten back from Iraq along with some of my buds that are Vietnam vets.

The funny thing is, no one laid a hand on these guys or even threatened them, but they had one of those oh crap moments when they realized what they were trying to agitate. They never came by again.

being in the states, makes it easier as we can escort the guy out of the store. in the uk, taking pictures and calling the police is the safest route.

Ive achually met a chav who was into 40k.

I try not to steorotype them as a chavy thug into they achually start acting like dicks.

Small claims court? Suing? Ha ha! someone that has time to arse about causing problems to gamers will generally have little to take or indeed lose if you could even get them to a court in the UK. The treatment of young offenders in the UK borders on ignoring them until such time as they are old enough to serve proper time.

If someone is stepping onto private property causing a nuisance then you are perfectly entitled to remove them from said property using reasonable force. Lacking Luna's ninja-like skills but possessing considerable bulk my preferred method of doing has always been using their face to open the bar lock on an emergency escape door. It is rare that someone that causes trouble will involve the police if they have just been embarrassed, the police will not waste their time on people like that once they have found out what really happened.

If you allow people to behave as they wish around you then they will continue to do so. I don't buy into the whole everything is getting worse than ever gak, but I do beleive that too many people turnthe other cheek.

Gak hits the fan you have three choices;
[1] Ignore them and hope they go away (could take some time)
[2] Threaten them with the police/security, may work or may turn it into a game for them.
[3] Get off my lawn i.e. if you are going to act then act - Almost all of the fights I have been involved in are won with the first punch, so make sure you deal it.

Ive achually met a chav who was into 40k.

Funny, i havent met you


and yes, chavs do play 40k
Im a chav, just not the loud, annoying and dick-head type that usually sums them up (and for ref. here, i wear jeans, not trackies)
Im actually quite a nice person , i just get branded so due to the music i listen to.

Never actually seen any real problems in a GW or FLGS, about the most ive seen is a few people shouting or screaming rules lol.

My usual tactic has been to stand up, get out my wallet and show them my warrant card.

That has yet to fail to get them apologising profusely and running with tail between legs Also usually gets me a small round of aplause and something to eat.

JD21290 wrote:

Ive achually met a chav who was into 40k.

Funny, i havent met you


and yes, chavs do play 40k
Im a chav, just not the loud, annoying and dick-head type that usually sums them up (and for ref. here, i wear jeans, not trackies)
Im actually quite a nice person , i just get branded so due to the music i listen to.

Never actually seen any real problems in a GW or FLGS, about the most ive seen is a few people shouting or screaming rules lol.

I dont mind Chavs as long as they dont have problems with me, but most of them do. I generally see Chavs as the loud dickheadish dickheads, and the people I know who listen to Dance and generally dress like chavs but are achually nice people, I dont call them chavs really.

Never had any problems at my FLGS...

But then again, the owner keeps a cut-down baseball bat handy behind the counter.

Besides, the gamers at my FLGS are rather beefy fellows. Easier pickings elsewhere, I'm sure!

lol, loss, i get called a chav for a few reasons

1: i tend to go out drinking alot on weekends.
2: im allways wearing a hoodie and jeans of some kind.
3: i listen to alot of dance/trance/rave music


Allthough, i do have a full time job, something which 99% of chavs do not have.
I also have common sense, another trait which is rare among chavs

I have punched a chav who was screwing around at my game store once. I was only 17 at the time, so I didn't get into any trouble about it, and I have to say it felt damn good.

As an adult now though, I'm not allowed to go chav-bashing anymore. Such is life.

Pardon me but what is a chav?

One time i was playing a game of 40k with a friend and these 4 teenage girls open the shop door, stare awkardly at the people playing the mini games(as we were in the door view) and let it close. Being 22 at the time, i thought, silly girls thought they were going to the clothing store(next door) and they would bugger off, but no. They opened the door , stepped within these hallowed halls and said...
"what are you guys a bunch of child molesters? playing with your pokemon, isn't that cute.Fags"
To wich i replied infront of the other 6 40k players(none of wich were playing any card game mind you) and the staff
"Shut your mouth you dirty little whores."(very loud and clearly)
The girls turned every shade of red and slinkked back through the door, never to been seen again( iheard their uncles were still spanking them, sexily)
Long story short, I'm the reason girls do't play, and i'm, sorry.

Frazzled wrote:Killer attack Gerbil?

Auto-guided, self-stuffing? Ew.

rdlb wrote:Pardon me but what is a chav?

They're what the Brits call little white-trash gangsta wanna-be's:

JD21290 wrote:lol, loss, i get called a chav for a few reasons

1: i tend to go out drinking alot on weekends.
2: im allways wearing a hoodie and jeans of some kind.
3: i listen to alot of dance/trance/rave music


Allthough, i do have a full time job, something which 99% of chavs do not have.
I also have common sense, another trait which is rare among chavs

I do one and two and never get called a chav I do listen to alot of Rock/Metal.

There are some pretty nasty Chavs in Wales, Im been saved by the police a few times

Oh, a chav is a wangsta(not wanksta)it what we call em round here. or Douchebag for short

Atleast they have better fashion sense than the "chav"
we have in Vancouver *shudders

To help the American users here are some chavs in all there non-glory

OK, what's "ASBO" and what's with the plaid?

JohnHwangDD wrote:OK, what's "ASBO" and what's with the plaid?

Not sure about ASBO, but I do know they're ALL about the fake Burberry...

Polonius wrote:You guys get kids causing trouble over there in merrie olde england? My FLGS is in the hood, next to a barber shop and across the street from housing projects, and I've never had any problems.

Of course, the owner of the barber shop recently sliced up a would be thief with a straight razor, so maybe punks know to stay away.

I dunno, here in the states businesses can generally make a call to the local Police, and they'll harass the local riff raff until they know they're not wanted.

Seriously? I like the cut of that guys' jib.

JohnHwangDD wrote:OK, what's "ASBO"

What is an Anti-Social Behaviour Order?
An Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) is a binding agreement between a person or persons who have committed acts of anti-social behaviour and the police. The principle behind these orders is that they act as a legal and binding contract signed by all parties concerned in the hope that they will reduce the chances of the individual in receipt of the ASBO from causing any further acts of anti-social behaviour.

Taken from this site: http://www.lawandparents.co.uk/what-is-anti-social-behaviour-order-asbo.html

Commissar Molotov wrote:

rdlb wrote:Pardon me but what is a chav?

They're what the Brits call little white-trash gangsta wanna-be's:

Ah, so wiggers, got ya.

Commissar Molotov wrote:Never had any problems at my FLGS...

But then again, the owner keeps a cut-down baseball bat handy behind the counter.

Besides, the gamers at my FLGS are rather beefy fellows. Easier pickings elsewhere, I'm sure!

Funny, sounds alot like my FLGS. We also have some cops, firemen, ex-military, ex-wrestlers, and some basic home-grown cornfed country boys.

"Y'all come back now, y'hear!"


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fire4effekt wrote:One time i was playing a game of 40k with a friend and these 4 teenage girls open the shop door, stare awkardly at the people playing the mini games(as we were in the door view) and let it close. Being 22 at the time, i thought, silly girls thought they were going to the clothing store(next door) and they would bugger off, but no. They opened the door , stepped within these hallowed halls and said...
"what are you guys a bunch of child molesters? playing with your pokemon, isn't that cute.Fags"
To wich i replied infront of the other 6 40k players(none of wich were playing any card game mind you) and the staff
"Shut your mouth you dirty little whores."(very loud and clearly)
The girls turned every shade of red and slinkked back through the door, never to been seen again( iheard their uncles were still spanking them, sexily)
Long story short, I'm the reason girls do't play, and i'm, sorry.

You know, I'll be honest. I'm not really sure that "dirty little whores" qualifies as an over-reaction on your part. Given the group of you were addressed as child molester fags, dirty little whore actually seems to be about par. I salute you for your self-control in not taking it Too Far, sir.

Never had a problem. One kid was a problem and his dad took care of it with a parking lot whopping. It was hilarious.

grizgrin wrote:

Commissar Molotov wrote:Never had any problems at my FLGS...

But then again, the owner keeps a cut-down baseball bat handy behind the counter.

Besides, the gamers at my FLGS are rather beefy fellows. Easier pickings elsewhere, I'm sure!

Funny, sounds alot like my FLGS. We also have some cops, firemen, ex-military, ex-wrestlers, and some basic home-grown cornfed country boys.

"Y'all come back now, y'hear!"

Wow - it DOES sound like mine! Is your FLGS in Greenville, South Cacky-Lacky, by any chance?

hahaha...

Here in Georgia, in the good ole US-of-A, you have virtually a 100% chance of someone packing a lawfully concealed firearm in most of the FLGS' in the state.

that equals pretty much zero shenanigans. Georgia is a pretty darn polite state, once you get out of Atlanta.

Ahhhhh, legal to carry fire arms. Ya know I've found Texas and Arizona to be extremely polite states too. I've often debated whether it was just the culture or the fact that there are almost always guns in attendance somewhere and that in Texas you never know who has it

This has just reminded me of a funny story.

A couple of winters ago we had the fence in our back garden blow over in high winds, I waited for a sunny weekend and gave my friend Steve a call to help me replace it. At this point i should point out that he is a copper and i had not long got out of the Army, so was not the fat git I am today.

The previous fence posts had been put up with those metal spike things that are easy enough to put in the ground but hell to get back out, they also cause the posts to rot at the bottom (part of the reason the fence blew down).

I decided to take these spikes out and concrete the new posts in. I was using a sledge hammer to knock the spikes around to loosen them enough to lever them out of the ground.

About half way through the job, the chav (always causing the neighbours grief with constant police visits and loud parties) who lived on the corner appears in his garden and starts to put his music on, loudly. I dont have a problem with dance or hip hop, in fact I have seen Cypress Hill live. Anyway as time cracks on the music steadily increases in volume and decreases in quality (it had gone from Public Enemy to homophobic Jamaican men shouting about "killing batty men") I look over at Steve and ask him if I should have a word, he just nods, I said to him "okay but keep an eye on him because he is a bit of an idiot and i don't want to get my head kicked in" again he nods.

I nip into his garden (His fence also being down) and ask him if he wouldn't mind turning it down a bit. He just nods says "no problem pal" turns his steroe off and gets up to go inside, I said "you don't have to turn it off mate" he just mumbles "nah it's alright bruv" and dissapears inside. I go back to my garden and Steve is pi$$ing himself laughing I asked him what was so funny and he just points to my hand, i look down to see that i have been carrying the sledge hammer all the time. I must have scared the poor sod senseless!

....I wasn't ggoing to, but what the hell, this is the internet, I'd beat them into the ground the with their and their

On a real world note I'm eighteen and aggressive(i dunno why, it just happens ) and I'd LOVE to smack one of them, but repercussions such as aggrivated assault charges tend to deter me. on the other hand if they hit me or someone else first, I might try it, I couldn't tell you, , it's never come up. I think I shall stick to the whole "I'd like to" thing

-Kyley

I believe Chavs are a distinctly British phenomenon. although they have their equivilants in other countries, few seem to suffer the same level of infestation.
I live in a small town in Wales. I would say roughly a quarter of the population could be described as chavs. They're everywhere. And I don't broadly apply the label - for example, JD21290, I would not describe you as a chav at all. If 'chav' described everyone who likes some popular music, goes on nights out sometimes and wears jeans, that would actually describe everyone in my home town, including myself.

For those fortunate enough not to have witnessed these creatures first-hand: Chavs try to be gangsters, except they don't fight amongst themselves for 'business', they go around causing grief for ordinary people. They smoke copious amounts of sickeningly strong drugs, have extremely low IQs, play their 'music' (usually the very worst dance or pop or gangsta rap) at painful volumes, talk in stupid voices, shout insults at passers-by, and their favourite passtimes are usually thieving, mugging, joy-riding and just generally starting fights and beating people up for the sake of it. They usually expect to be allowed to do what they like, and any complaints lead to threats and/or violence. Seriously, although it's relatively rare, there have been many instances of chavs beating people to death for minor slights. Or just for the sake of it. Although usually weedy they travel in packs.

The teenagers are most troublesome, but most fail to grow out of their chaviness completely and just turn into anti-social, drug-dealing child-neglecting dole scum. This is the extreme, you understand, not all chavs are this bad, but you get the idea.

Although they dress like 'wangstas' or whatever else, the real US equivilant, culturally and behaviourally, is probably a cross betrween actual gangsters and the very lowest layer of trailor-trash you see on Jerry Springer. Problem is, these people dont live in a specific burough or in mobile homes. They Are Among Us...

So, you can probably see the problem, and the source of the general ire of the British members posting here. On topic, I've never actually seen any trouble from Chavs in or around my local Games Workshop. Although getting there and back without encountering some is a challenge.

There are two theories on where the term Chav came from.

One is that it is an abreviation of Cheltenham Average, this is due to the fact that when the term was first coined it was not used in the same way it is today. Today a chav is effectively white trash, when it was first used it described people who liked to potray a life style they were not capable of funding i.e. someone who lives in a rented bedsit but wears designer clothes and drives a new (hire purchase) BMW. As time has gone on the lines between these two types of people have become blured and are not mutualy exclusive.

The second is that it is an anachronism of Council Houses And Violence.

Sic a Genghis Connie @ them.

Straws in Skullz = Obedience.

Grief Bringer wrote:My usual tactic has been to stand up, get out my wallet and show them my warrant card.

That has yet to fail to get them apologising profusely and running with tail between legs Also usually gets me a small round of aplause and something to eat.

Whats a warrant card? I have a Mexican Express Card from Lupe Tortillas-does that count?




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CapNCaveman! wrote:hahaha...

Here in Georgia, in the good ole US-of-A, you have virtually a 100% chance of someone packing a lawfully concealed firearm in most of the FLGS' in the state.

that equals pretty much zero shenanigans. Georgia is a pretty darn polite state, once you get out of Atlanta.

Only 100%, what are ya a bunch of handgun banning hippy boys?
I knew I liked Georgia for a reason.


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squilverine wrote:
I nip into his garden (His fence also being down) and ask him if he wouldn't mind turning it down a bit. He just nods says "no problem pal" turns his steroe off and gets up to go inside, I said "you don't have to turn it off mate" he just mumbles "nah it's alright bruv" and dissapears inside. I go back to my garden and Steve is pi$$ing himself laughing I asked him what was so funny and he just points to my hand, i look down to see that i have been carrying the sledge hammer all the time. I must have scared the poor sod senseless!

Squilverine proverb: "Speak softly but carry a large sledgehammer."



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akira5665 wrote:Sic a Genghis Connie @ them.

Straws in Skullz = Obedience.

YES!!!

Frazzled wrote:

Grief Bringer wrote:My usual tactic has been to stand up, get out my wallet and show them my warrant card.

That has yet to fail to get them apologising profusely and running with tail between legs Also usually gets me a small round of aplause and something to eat.

Whats a warrant card? I have a Mexican Express Card from Lupe Tortillas-does that count?

Policeman's ID card.

I see your warrant card and raise you 1 MoD card

JD21290 wrote:I see your warrant card and raise you 1 MoD card

Are you an undercover agent working in a library, JD?

I wish
Just your average soldier on leave at the moment
Allthough, nearly done my time now, so looking for a new job once i leave

Just get everyone to bounce slowly up to him with arms out stretched saying "hug ... ... hug ... ... hug ... ..." Dr Evil style

I don't know about you, but that would freak the hell out of me if some random guys tried to hug me bouncing around like idiots. And I'd proberly not want to go back in.

You can't get arrested for offering a hug, and the Chav will proberly be freaked out enough not to return again, everyone's a winner

JD21290 wrote:I wish
Just your average soldier on leave at the moment
Allthough, nearly done my time now, so looking for a new job once i leave

Much respect to you, mate. Keep your bloody head down!

My old GW in Darlington, Co Durham (big shout out to anyone on Dakka that goes there!) didn't have too much probs with chavs, even though it is smack in the middle of town. This is mostly due to the fact that when I went to the Vets night most of the people attending were Soldiers or at least in the Territorial Army (the benefit of being near Catterick Garrison, the largest military base in the UK). Even the manager (for the time I was there, I'm aware he's moved on since then) was an ex-Royal Marine. Not really the type of people you wanna mess with, even chavs worked that out.

Up in Aberdeen I've never had a real problem on Vets night, although chavs (or 'neds' as they are called in Scotland) are swarming around town. Fortunately the Aberdeen GW is on the edge of the town centre, away from most of the night life, so there's no real draw for the neds to be there. I find that whilest walking back to the car park I have had one or two jeers thrown at me for carrying a GW model case, but I just ignore them.

If there was a ned in the GW causing trouble then the lot of us would just form up as one and literally force them out of the shop. One thing I find about wargamers everywhere I've been, we tend to stick up for each other if there are problems in the store. Plus we also have one or two squadies (the British term for soldiers) and an ex-prison officer who game there so that helps too .

I intend to
if im right in thinking (dont have any paperwork here) i shouldnt be going back on tour before i leave, so ive done my 2 tours of Iraq, im done with it

then i need to get used to the outside world, where i have a chance to spend my money that i earn lol, once i get a job that is

FIrst of all little fun fact. I learned a new work today. Never have herd of "chavs" until i had to google it up. I figured it was some sort of insult but yeah isnt something that is really used here in the states. intimidation always seemed to work. Myself being a somewhat bigger rough around the edges sorta person it ussually works. The police thing works wonders however since at my store the local polica startion is all of 300ft away from the store. Walking outside and yelling down the street is prolly easier then ever calling.

JD21290 wrote:I intend to
if im right in thinking (dont have any paperwork here) i shouldnt be going back on tour before i leave, so ive done my 2 tours of Iraq, im done with it

then i need to get used to the outside world, where i have a chance to spend my money that i earn lol, once i get a job that is

I concur, I think you would be perfect for librarian or public school principal.

(sound of bolt locking) I said, "NO TALKING!!!" Braaappp.

The scary thing is that these individuals breed a lot faster than the rest of the UK population, a situtation encouraged by a welfare system that has enabled girls to make a career out of having babies. It has been seriously discussed by some Councils (including the one I work for) whether teenage girls in certain areas should be forced to take contraceptive pills.

Back on topic, as suggested by some posters, there's not much you can do except ignore them. Take heart from the fact that they will never have happy lives and will probably die from alcohol poisoning long before you even think about retiring.

Since we're a private club that pays for its own space in rent....we decide who comes and who gets voted in.

Your a tool or an ass you wont make it through your trial period.

Used to help run a club a long time back, we'd get the occasional little gang of kids show up in the grounds of the school hall we rented and some would try to sneak in and steal the figures or harass the younger kids arriving or leaving. I paid my younger brother in beer and smokes to come over with his own gang of monsters, a couple years older than the gaks that were pestering our club and they beat em up, covered them in paint and mud and then harassed the little bastards around the town.

Fight evil with evil.

Samus666 wrote:
Some stuff

The teenagers are most troublesome, but most fail to grow out of their chaviness completely and just turn into anti-social, drug-dealing child-neglecting dole scum. This is the extreme, you understand, not all chavs are this bad, but you get the idea.

Some more stuff

Samus666, we have those here in the states. Wanna-be-gangstas, D-Bags, and Wiggers (a rather offensive term) all describe them.

Just remind yourself, in the game of life, you've won, and they've lost. They're just poor sports about it.

I would ignore them as there people who have no real friends and think its cool to go 'braaaaaap' or 'innit' tbh that is just pathetic.
I've never had trouble with chavs at a gaming store but if one off them touched my friends or my own models then i would literally force him out and then chase him down the road.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Used to help run a club a long time back, we'd get the occasional little gang of kids show up in the grounds of the school hall we rented and some would try to sneak in and steal the figures or harass the younger kids arriving or leaving. I paid my younger brother in beer and smokes to come over with his own gang of monsters, a couple years older than the gaks that were pestering our club and they beat em up, covered them in paint and mud and then harassed the little bastards around the town.

Fight evil with evil.

See the system works!

Violence will if applied correctly solve evrything.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Used to help run a club a long time back, we'd get the occasional little gang of kids show up in the grounds of the school hall we rented and some would try to sneak in and steal the figures or harass the younger kids arriving or leaving. I paid my younger brother in beer and smokes to come over with his own gang of monsters, a couple years older than the gaks that were pestering our club and they beat em up, covered them in paint and mud and then harassed the little bastards around the town.

Fight evil with evil.

Now thats a sublime solution to a gross problem.

Chavs? We don't have those. Are they a side-effect of government health-care?

Frazzled wrote:
Usually riff raff won't enter the den of evil that is the local FLGS. Can't be a gangsta steppin into a toy soldier store yo.

Hah. Funniest thing at our game store is a couple of thugged-out gangstas came in. The manager was expecting problems, but the one guy started trying to sell the other on playing 40k. He was going on about how these space marines were all bad-ass and got his friend to play the black reach demo game....

our store manager enjoys selecting one of the spankers in the grup, and telling him his order has come in. That is always good for a laugh.

A good story I have is seeing some of the aforementioned mall rats come in and start heckling some guys in army uniforms sitting at the painting tables, saying they were wannabe generals, and they wanted to look like their models. Then these guys stand up. none of them were below 6"3', and they were all built like brick gakhouses.

Mall rats fled.

Hilarity ensued.

I used to run a club in school, and loads of chavs would come in and steal the models.

These aint proper chavs but the hammered wannabes you find in school.

LunaHound wrote:Atleast they have better fashion sense than the "chav"
we have in Vancouver *shudders

As a fellow Vancouverite, I concur.

Fortunately, though, I've never really had a problem with them.

On occasion we'll have a couple wander in to the Metrotown store, but thus far the store manager has sorted them out.

JD21290 wrote:I see your warrant card and raise you 1 MoD card

Touche sir. The warrant card will do me though. Don't get shot at anywhere near as often.

Redbeard wrote:Chavs? We don't have those. Are they a side-effect of government health-care?

No its a side effect of a stupidly lax welfare system that gives people a living for nothing.

Frazzled wrote:

Polonius wrote:You guys get kids causing trouble over there in merrie olde england? My FLGS is in the hood, next to a barber shop and across the street from housing projects, and I've never had any problems.

Of course, the owner of the barber shop recently sliced up a would be thief with a straight razor, so maybe punks know to stay away.

I dunno, here in the states businesses can generally make a call to the local Police, and they'll harass the local riff raff until they know they're not wanted.

Usually riff raff won't enter the den of evil that is the local FLGS. Can't be a gangsta steppin into a toy soldier store yo.

Yeah, there are few things less "gangsta" than playing with army men....

niceas wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Atleast they have better fashion sense than the "chav"
we have in Vancouver *shudders

As a fellow Vancouverite, I concur.

Fortunately, though, I've never really had a problem with them.

On occasion we'll have a couple wander in to the Metrotown store, but thus far the store manager has sorted them out.

Which ones do you see around? I cant stand the one with short spiky hair with bleached tip
wearing poofy jacket ( VERY POOFY )
while wearing tight track pants ( usually kappa brand )
and they usually speak very fast , like they are about to have diarrhea or something.

What the heck lol? fashion disaster from 80s?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Used to help run a club a long time back, we'd get the occasional little gang of kids show up in the grounds of the school hall we rented and some would try to sneak in and steal the figures or harass the younger kids arriving or leaving. I paid my younger brother in beer and smokes to come over with his own gang of monsters, a couple years older than the gaks that were pestering our club and they beat em up, covered them in paint and mud and then harassed the little bastards around the town.

Fight evil with evil.

Loved it

I didn't know there was a term for them

Lord-Loss wrote:What is an Anti-Social Behaviour Order?
An Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) is a binding agreement between a person or persons who have committed acts of anti-social behaviour and the police. The principle behind these orders is that they act as a legal and binding contract signed by all parties concerned in the hope that they will reduce the chances of the individual in receipt of the ASBO from causing any further acts of anti-social behaviour.

Ow. That actually hurt my brain.

@ Luna

Can't say that I've ever paid attention to what pants they're wearing, but without doubt the frosted hair and poofy jackets are common.

We had a crew of underage chavs come in the other day - 3 young girls in their early teens (if that), playing horrible music and harrassing people in the burnaby bunker. Thor came over and glared at them and they left pretty quick.

Rofl,wow.
I hate chavs,and i agree most people say "they'd do something" but when it comes down to it,it's not going to happen.

You've hit a tough subject since the law isn't in your favour,best bets to phone the police get a discription of the witch and get him done for criminal damage,enough said!


Would he happen to look like this ?


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squilverine wrote:

They are trying to get attention to make up for the fact that the only love they have ever had in their sad little lives is when their uncle used to creep into thier room late at night.

I lol'd,that was golden

By god I have hit upon the ideal solution to the explosion in the spieces now categorised as Chavus Vulgaris. Previously when the population levels of pesky vermin got out of hand we would let a bunch of toffs dress up for the day chase them on horse back and then unleash the hounds on them, seeing as they are no longer allowed to hunt foxes, how about hunting chavs?

Lets have less of this...



And more of this...

You lot wanna try living in Newcastle. Admitedly there aint many that go into my local GW so it aint all bad though there have been some

I'll be honest, I can't think of much I'd less like to do than live in Newcastle

Haunted_Undead wrote:You lot wanna try living in Newcastle. Admitedly there aint many that go into my local GW so it aint all bad though there have been some

I used to. Brilliant place, I may move back there.

Mind you I never used to wargame there. I was a student so no money, no time and frankly I didn't quite click with the other gamers at the store there.

In the Leeds store kids have tried to nick stuff quite a few times. We used to send Neil after them, a geordie and former docker who was built like the proverbial brick house. That scared 'em.

The best time was when a friend of mine caught them trying to flog stolen stuff (GK's I believe) round the corner from the workshop! Talk about cheek! They got dragged into the shop, arrested and bollocked for some time by the manager.

Pipboy101 wrote:Just call the police if he broke something. They did not have your permission to pick it up and broke it on purpose. That is a crime and the cost of the models are expensive. Call the police, have a report taken and if that does not work then take them to small claims court. Since they are childern then their parents will have to go to court and be responsible for the damages. That will normally do more than a simple beating.

hahahahaha... he said call the police....hahahaha.... he expects them to come out and deal with chavs .... hahahaha...<couch>...ha...ha.. <cough>.. he wasnt joking?..... how naive.

Police do nothing about chavs unless they make what is a real nuisance of themselves - in the polices eyes, the chavs know this and what is more if the police do take action it can be no more than temporarily clearing them away. Once you get them to do this the chavs will be back to make more mischief, only this time they have a specific motive.

Years of PC dogma and inept social work reinfocrced by a generation of bad parenting has left the UK vulnerable to large numbers of louts with no sense of community or common decency.

It's not a that big problem in Denmark. At least where I play. Annoying people is just getting ignored 'til the point where he or she leaves.

I used to work at a FLGS when I was in college. One day while I was in the back running a tournament I saw some new kid come in. He proceded to pull something out of his shirt and spray my co-worker with something. I immediately ran up and picked him up by his shirt collar and back of his pants and literally tossed him out of the shop (this was back in the day when I was still in shape and weight lifting, couldn't do THAT today :( ). It turns out he sprayed my buddy with silly string but he had no idea who the kid was so I still felt more then justified. Never did see him again.

In 20 years gaming, I've never once had a problem in either a store or at a club.

My club (http://yorkgarrison.co.uk) actually meets in the heart of one of the city's roughest areas, but we've never encountered any trouble. I'm sure the very excellent staff of the Community Centre where we meet must help with that, though.

R.

I can understand the frustration some might have with those types. Walking back home for some people, with their brand new boxes and bags mark them as targets for those that prey on the young or solitary.

I'm old enough and ugly enough at this stage in my life that I don't get trouble anyway.

Ever has the young nerd been the target of the idiotic bully, ever has the young nerd grown up to be the bully's employer/judge/parole officer/landlord/benefit investigator.

Time is a great leveller. Be patient young ones and study yesss, we shall inherit...

Wise words, great BB avatar.

kronk wrote:
Samus666, we have those here in the states. Wanna-be-gangstas, D-Bags, and Wiggers (a rather offensive term) all describe them.

Just remind yourself, in the game of life, you've won, and they've lost. They're just poor sports about it.

QFT

Patience and a strong use of your voice.

At least that's what I'm supposed to do when youths are trying to steal fags from behind the counter. Though I have found the simple act of maintaining eye contact and reaching for the phone or alarm button the moment they do something naughty a great help.

If vandalism is involved and it is a repeated case all you can do is make a report to the police and if possible get the vandals in question on tape or film. If it continues you can always plaster his face all over town / mall / whatever with the listed charges beneath it. We're doing it right now and it actually works in keeping the scum out, even if it is a breach of their privacy.

A sword. ...Dont ask, just dont ask.