Seeing how much traffic went through the 'model molester' thread, I was curious to hear folks tales of woe as they related to poor sportsman/gamesmanship...


I've personnally encountered a kid during an in-store GW tourney (Geneva Commons, approx 10 months ago) whose Tyranids had every upgrade he needed, exactly when needed.
His list was a hastily scrawled on crumpled notebook paper and was just numbers, not letters.

In the end I let it go, but still pulled a draw. I'm in my 30's and challenging a kid over his list isn't really going to teach him anything... but neither would him winning in my opinion.
I got lower end blister pack out of it, and he cried after the final 3 way match until he got one too. Black Shirt was a big softy, bless him.



On the other end, I heard an urban legend of sorts. At a GD tourney maybe back around 98-99, during the final match, a player was taking way too long in his movement phase. Allegedly staring at the table for several minutes before making any moves.

His opponent didn't care for this and allegedly placed an innapropriate item on the table top... one that could be followed with 'indecent exposure' charges.

Anyone else ever hear of this?? Any validity?



Another one, a high school kid was outplayed and out-rolled. Flat out routed. And so he went into some sort of a barely controlled nerd-rage! He knocked several boxes of models off the shelves before a good Red-Shirt friend of mine had to take him outside and talk him down from what looked like a manic episode or anxiety attack... Coincidently, he was playing Blood Angels, so it could have just been the Black Rage!



Edited once because I'm a big dummy.

I would say the worst in my experience was during a local tourney when a necron player failed every 'we will be back roll' and armor save for almost a whole turn grabbed up all his dice, and some of the other players dice that was too close ran out side the store and threw them all onto traffic screaming and cursing the whole way. When he returned he picked up his monolith and smashed it to the ground. The true irony of this is that he had done something similar when he played in a local roleplaying group he threw his dice so hard it cracked a window.

He has since been informed to find another venue to play at.

The best sportsmanship I have seen was when after a large tourney the winner, a guy bout 17-19 gave up his free battleforce box to a new player so he could get better started in his army.

I saw a guy playing IG against Death Guard in 3rd in a city fight game, fail to do any damage shooting in four turns. So upset was he he stomped on a unit og guard and threw his basilisk against the wall. Shortly thereafter, he bought some glue and went to fixing that mistake.

The worst i have seen would be a 13 year old kid i played casually. He got so mad when i blew up his only hammerhead he picked up all his stuff and called his mommy and never returned to the store. The best is a guy who helped explain his army before i played him how it worked. I then almost beat him had i taken out more of his skimmer tanks. Then after he helped me by telling me what i could do to build a better list.

my very first game of warhammer 40k when i was younger i lost horribly with my beloved orks barely taking out 5 of his genestealers.
he also used these rules i didnt understand at the time i started tearing up and all the modles that died i would put back in my box

It's kind of nice when someone destroys you, but takes time after the game to say "Hey, I noticed you did this but against an army like mine, you might want to try THIS instead."

Worse example was a Tau player who lost horribly against an Eldar player and later in the day decided to steal the Eldar player's army as revenge (someone saw him leave with the armycase). He never showed up to the store again and pretty much was banned and later got tossed out of basically every gaming store in the area for stealing not only merchandise but one other player's army.

Elthrai wrote:The best sportsmanship I have seen was when after a large tourney the winner, a guy bout 17-19 gave up his free battleforce box to a new player so he could get better started in his army.

That truly is impressive. Bravo to him.

JonnyDelta wrote:On the other end, I heard an urban legend of sorts. At a GD tourney maybe back around 98-99, during the final match, a player was taking way too long in his movement phase. Allegedly staring at the table for several minutes before making any moves.

His opponent didn't care for this and allegedly placed an innapropriate item on the table top... one that could be followed with 'indecent exposure' charges.

Anyone else ever hear of this?? Any validity?

That is no urban legend. I can verify this as both an attendee and witness from a few tables down. Mike Mutscheller and I were playing in the Chicago GT 1998. I was on table one and Mike was on table two. The inappropriate item was placed on table four or five for the exact reason indicated. In two hours, they had only got through 2 1/2 turns of play. All anyone heard in the area was "Oh yeah - well why don't you suck on this!!!" Overall - not a good site at our first GT.

Like the birth of Slaanesh - that incident was the birthing pains of sportsmanship, which was added the following year as part of the scoring for the events.

EDIT: BTW - I now feel old knowing that I was witness to an urban legend. And I'm only 36!!!

Many moons ago, at the first GW in Toronto Canada, the then manager was a megalomaniac who ruled the store like his own personal fief. He was the worst loser ever. He'd lose to someone and then ban them from the store on some BS shoplifting accusations, etc. He made a 13 year old kid cry because he bought the then new Rat ogres at another shop and nick-named him "Little Horus:the Traitor". He was a real piece of work. Anyway, there is one example that stands out in my mind. The store had a Bloodbowl season and during the play-offs, he was playing in what ended up being his last game. One of his linemen failed to tackle a guy, he picked him up off of the board, yelled "You failed me for the last time!" threw the figure to the floor and ground it into the floor with his boot. When he lost the game, he went into the back and smashed every single figure on the team. No one was allowed to play Bloodbowl for one month in the store after the finals game. What a tool.

As a general rule, I have found that there are more "good" sports than "bad". If it were the opposite, I don't think anyone would play.

lolz, never heard of anyone literally whipping their gak out on the table. That's amazing.

Worst sportsmanship I'd ever seen was when I was playing my Dark Elves against against Slaaneshi WoC. He managed to maneuver into my left flank with a big block of Warriors lead by Sigvald. He flank charged my Hydra which was anchoring and was getting ready to roll up my army. He put 7 wounds on the Hydra and I passed all my Regen saves then ate his front rank. My opponent then calmly put down his dice, shook my hand and forfeited the game because my Black Guard were poised to roll him up. Afterward we had a pleasant discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of WoC, then played another game to a draw.

worst sportsmanship i've ever seen was done by me....

I was playing my new necron army. My opponent decided it would be fun to play against me with his nidzilla army. I was fighting 5 monstrous creatures with 2+ saves, and 3 with 3+ saves. of course, I have nothing that can do jack to this, so i'm loosing badly. my nightbringer takes out out, then he tries to shoot it with a tyrant... he does 5 wounds... I fail 5 saves. Nightbringer is dead.

So I calmly say good game, and start to pack up my stuff. My opponent says "dude, its not over! you can still win! don't worry!"

so at this point I kinda snap. I say "oh? I can win? OK THEN! feth YEA! CLOSE COMBAT NECRONS FOR THE fething WINNNNNN" and charged all his fexes with my necron warriors. I then was wiped out completely, and finished packing up.

yea... it was a wierd game. and the last time I ever played my necrons.

hinch1 wrote:It's kind of nice when someone destroys you, but takes time after the game to say "Hey, I noticed you did this but against an army like mine, you might want to try THIS instead."

Like in the UFC, after two guys bloody the mat with eachothers faces - they hug it out.

Fascinating and honorable.

inquisitor_malice wrote:Like the birth of Slaanesh - that incident was the birthing pains of sportsmanship.

Slaanesh... that quote works on So Many levels in this instance lol...

And don't feel bad I'm 32, and heard about it days after it happened... Even though I live less than an hour away. Knew I should have gone!

Best Sportsmanship involved when me and an opponent of mine (Didn't know him personally) were playing a game, he was new to his Wood Elves, and I personally showed him what he should do in a certain situation (I.E. So you see that my Corsairs are threatening your Glade Guard? What you want to do is interject a unit of Glade Riders, or some other type of fast cavalry unit, and when the Corsairs charge, elect to flee)

In turn, he was a much better painter than me and I received many helpful tips.

The worst sportsmanship I had was another Fantasy player, who played High Elves (I played Dark Elves, ironically) and he kept abusing the rules (I.E. My Character has a 1+ save, unless you have S4 you can't hurt him.

Good sportsmanship is when they wanna go halfsies on the pizza.

Alcohol+Warhammer=Nerdfight

Cryonicleech wrote:Best Sportsmanship involved when me and an opponent of mine (Didn't know him personally) were playing a game, he was new to his Wood Elves, and I personally showed him what he should do in a certain situation (I.E. So you see that my Corsairs are threatening your Glade Guard? What you want to do is interject a unit of Glade Riders, or some other type of fast cavalry unit, and when the Corsairs charge, elect to flee)

In turn, he was a much better painter than me and I received many helpful tips.

The worst sportsmanship I had was another Fantasy player, who played High Elves (I played Dark Elves, ironically) and he kept abusing the rules (I.E. My Character has a 1+ save, unless you have S4 you can't hurt him.

To be fair to the High Elf player, he would have been right three editions ago. He might have been trying it on, or he might have just been out of date.

Absolute worst Sportsmanship I've ever witnessed? Probably when our local TFG actually put on feinting, following an illadvised parking of a Bretonnian Bus next to a unit of Chaos Dwarf Blunderbuss (Blunderbi?). When the smoke cleared, the whole unit had been killed. TFG clutches his head, whimpers, and keels over. We just pointed and laughed.

Big'Uns wrote:Good sportsmanship is when they wanna go halfsies on the pizza.

Alcohol+Warhammer=Nerdfight

Totally off-topic, but a fine user-name sir =D

While someone throwing a little tantrum or being a rules nazi might be annoying.
Every time I play a model gets broken, someone gets angry and eventually someones Un's end up on the table.
wanting to eat pizza that you did not pay for however is just downright rude.

How's that off topic?

And I challange you to contest my Nerdfight formula.

1 drink per player turn and see if you can make it through a whole game without an argument.

Free food for me = good !

avantgarde wrote:Worst sportsmanship I'd ever seen was when I was playing my Dark Elves against against Slaaneshi WoC. He managed to maneuver into my left flank with a big block of Warriors lead by Sigvald. He flank charged my Hydra which was anchoring and was getting ready to roll up my army. He put 7 wounds on the Hydra and I passed all my Regen saves then ate his front rank. My opponent then calmly put down his dice, shook my hand and forfeited the game because my Black Guard were poised to roll him up. Afterward we had a pleasant discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of WoC, then played another game to a draw.

How is that poor sportsmanship? That guy actually sounds like quite a good sport to me, especially if your discussion after the match was truly pleasant. If you've clearly lost a game, it's good manner to concede, especially if it means that you'll be able to play another game instead of drawing out the current one. In a tournament situation, especially one with secondary objectives, conceding the match is undesirable, but in a friendly game it seems preferable.

14 year old in my club who throws dice when he loses.

This is followed by a two-week suspension (during which he is not welcome to attend the club). He used to do this regularly - I saw him perhaps 6 times last year (we meet weekly).

This is the "soft" penalty. We hire a local sportsclub boardroom for our club meets. Were a club rep to see it, he would be banned for life.


A good sport buys ME a beer when he is losing.
A better one buys me one when I'm losing.

Fetterkey wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Worst sportsmanship I'd ever seen was when I was playing my Dark Elves against against Slaaneshi WoC. He managed to maneuver into my left flank with a big block of Warriors lead by Sigvald. He flank charged my Hydra which was anchoring and was getting ready to roll up my army. He put 7 wounds on the Hydra and I passed all my Regen saves then ate his front rank. My opponent then calmly put down his dice, shook my hand and forfeited the game because my Black Guard were poised to roll him up. Afterward we had a pleasant discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of WoC, then played another game to a draw.

How is that poor sportsmanship? That guy actually sounds like quite a good sport to me, especially if your discussion after the match was truly pleasant. If you've clearly lost a game, it's good manner to concede, especially if it means that you'll be able to play another game instead of drawing out the current one. In a tournament situation, especially one with secondary objectives, conceding the match is undesirable, but in a friendly game it seems preferable.

Yes, I'd say that he was being a good sport. I see no problem with him conceding if he knew he had no chance whatsoever at even pulling a minor loss, and I know what it's like to lose something that important in a game and give up; it's happened a few times when I was playing MTG and lost my three most important cards that my whole deck was centered around in one turn and had no chance of retrieving them, nor could I have pulled anything good out of my deck. I just sighed and conceded.

Be thankful he wasn't the rampaging kind of loser.

Big'Uns wrote:

How's that off topic?

And I challange you to contest my Nerdfight formula.

1 drink per player turn and see if you can make it through a whole game without an argument.

I think he meant his statement about your name was offtopic

Oh.. apparently my forum ettiquete has dissolved over the past decade.

The punishment I get for going outside...

Netiquette is the proper term

Oh no... It's getting worse...

One lousy post and i have thrown this thread completely off topic.

I'm going back outside

Big'Uns wrote:Oh.. apparently my forum ettiquete has dissolved over the past decade.

The punishment I get for going outside...

Yeah, you got it, no issue at all with what you had to say =) As for going outside, it happens to the best of us at times ;-)

Many years back I was playing a game with my IG against Orks, I knew the guy from school but we were more aquaintences than friends, I got suspicious when he said we had to keep our dice seperate, he was rolling a lot of sixes and i was getting a lot of ones. Turned out he had loaded dice. When i worked this out and challenged him, he threw a tantrum and stormed off. Tit.

Once long ago this guy was beating an Ork player pretty badly in 40K. He then proceeded to take out the guys Warboss and began the over-exaggerated dry hump of the table while loudly saying "CAN....YOU.....FEEL.....THAT! DO....YOU....LIKE....THAT!"

squilverine wrote:Many years back I was playing a game with my IG against Orks, I knew the guy from school but we were more aquaintences than friends, I got suspicious when he said we had to keep our dice seperate, he was rolling a lot of sixes and i was getting a lot of ones. Turned out he had loaded dice. When i worked this out and challenged him, he threw a tantrum and stormed off. Tit.

That's a punching offence.

Loading dice is truly a heinous crime. You should have ripped his nuts off.

And then shove his nuts and the dice up his ass.

Personal stories:

Worst Sports:

I was playing my Vampires vs a High Elf player. Occasionally when he checked range it would be a close call, and not wanting to slow the game down I'd always give it to him. This must have happened at least 4 or 5 times, and whenever he looked up at me uncertainly, I cheerfully said:"go for it!"

Then the last turn rolls around and I launch a critical potentially game winning charge. Turns out, it's right on the wire. Immiediatly he says:"sorry bro, you're out." I look up and think in my head:"seriously?" Didn't really matter since in the magic phase I roll irresistable force for my Vanhels Danse and charge in anyway, but I can't believe he repaid me with such unkindness.

Can't think of the "best" right now...will post later.

Hi my worst was my mate who plays nids and me teamed up(him using his chaos) for a game against another nid player and whenever we asked what his nids had we just got nearly everything.

please be aware I do not think he cheated it was just a bit annoying.

and the best probably nearly every game I've had there (at the club)

Sidstyler wrote:lolz, never heard of anyone literally whipping their gak out on the table. That's amazing.

Play with Sailors a bit more often.


I don't really have truly horrible instances. Once had a friend get pissed off and chuck one of this models, which turned out to be one of mine that I had loaned him. The model was forever lost behind a 1 ton vending machine, but he quickly rebuilt one from his bits and gave it back. The only other instance that sticks out at me was in round 3 of a tourny, my opponent refused to play me because he didn't have a chance at winning 1st place.

I game with the Hellfire guys in Pittsburgh, and they do a yearly tournament series, and the four tourney winners, plus the top four players by points, get to attend a tournament of champions. The format is simple: 1st seed gets to pick his first round opponent (except for 2nd place), then 2nd, then 3rd, and the last three face each other in the first round. standard single elimination after that.

When I found out that the sole mission was going to be victory points with 12" deployment, nothing fancy, I brought IG (old codex) with lots of boys and three LRBTS. It was a cheesy move, but I'm playing the mission.

Anyway, I beat my first opponent soundly, squeeze out the closest game of my life against a necron destroyer horde, and now I'm facing Marines for first place. At first, I can't understand how he won so convincingly in the first two rounds: a landraider, a dread, vulkan, some Th/ss terminators, a few squads in rhino, a libby, a vindicator, etc. Nothing horribly optimized. I run through his list, he gets first deploy, so I wander off to talk to some buddies while he sets up.

I get back to the table, and I notice a 10 man squad behind the landraider. I ask him what that is. He says it's a 10 man stern guard squad with combimeltas that the libby joined. I ask to see his army roster... they're not on there. the dude had been played up a full sternguard squad all day.

He was immediately bounced, I played who he beat in round 2 for the prize, and to this day nobody is sure if he cheated or not.

While dice throwing and model smashing are a bit shocking, I find these fits of rage entertaining as long as no harm comes to anyone else in the area. Everyone has a bad day, so I don't really consider it all that bad of a sportsman. What I do think makes a bad sportsman is splitting hairs on rules and other actions that generally make the game unfun for your opponent. This includes stuff like, taking forever to move, customizing lists for specific opponents for casual play, whining beyond a reasonable amount and lastly, playing in such a manner that annoys your opponent.

Techboss wrote:While dice throwing and model smashing are a bit shocking, I find these fits of rage entertaining as long as no harm comes to anyone else in the area. Everyone has a bad day, so I don't really consider it all that bad of a sportsman.

Dice tossing and model smashing can cause someone to loose an eye sir. Now how many geeks need to be walking around with eye patches?

On another note
I could a shot a round for a couple of games and not get mad. Might have trouble with the old math somewhere in the 3rd game

Gamers with eye patches?
Thats like instant street cred.


I have seen dice tossing - though at times it has been coordinated/aimed. And all in good fun.

Worst sportsmanship relating to game list/play.

A few of the guys at my FLGS got together for a four person per side huge game (around 6000 points total on each side, like an appoc game, but without super-heavies) a few weeks ago. On one side, SPACE MARINES. (Dark angels, blood angels, Templar, space wolves)

The space marine players all had three dreadnoughts (Space wolves had four), one of them was a furioso death company dread...and a Techmarine was sitting behind them, along with a bunch of tactical squads and deathwing with heavy weapons.

It was a marine dreadbash...

I'd like to know, what yall are referring to when you say "splitting hairs" on rules...

I've called people on the following things, and don't really think I was outside the bounds of good sportsmanship to say..

- your vindicator cannot fire on my space marines, it has a hull mounted cannon, with a 45 degree firing arc, and you are outside of that arc.

- you do not get the charge on my marines, you just came in from reserve, rolled a 4 for difficult terrain, a 6 for fleet, and i'm 18" away from the edge they came in on. (he fudged movement about half inch on each move)

those are my two most common calls I have to make against people, and they just normally look at me like I raped and murdered their parents.

are these kinds of things splitting hairs to yall?

starbomber109 wrote:Worst sportsmanship relating to game list/play.

A few of the guys at my FLGS got together for a four person per side huge game (around 6000 points total on each side, like an appoc game, but without super-heavies) a few weeks ago. On one side, SPACE MARINES. (Dark angels, blood angels, Templar, space wolves)

The space marine players all had three dreadnoughts (Space wolves had four), one of them was a furioso death company dread...and a Techmarine was sitting behind them, along with a bunch of tactical squads and deathwing with heavy weapons.

It was a marine dreadbash...

How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Worst sportsman I ever faced:

While trying to practice with my army, I had no opponent, so I did the "Play against myself" type game, thinking it would give me a general idea of how the army played.
Well, I did not expect to have to argue and fight with my opponent the whole time!

I moved my models, and immediatly he claimed I moved my skimmer too far. I assured him that I moved the allowed 24", but he insisted on coming over to my side of the table to measure for himself. Then, to top it off, he moved my model back about 1/16th of an inch!
I was pissed, but kept quiet. During his turn, I claimed that he moved his chaos dreadnaught up too far as well. True, it was more of a revenge thing, but I went over to his side and moved his model back 1/16th of an inch!

That is when it hit the fan!

While measuring distance, his tape measure "accidentaly" knocked my talos off the table! It shattered in all directions. I was FURIOUS! I looked up at him, and he sat there with a stupid grin on his face and he said "oops!"
Needless to say, I smiled back and said "Accidents Happen", and I bumped the table, causing his Land raider with abbadon perched on top to fall to the concrete below!
He just sat there with a shocked look on his face, and then without warning, grabed asdrubael and chucked him against the wall! I started sweeping all his models off the table, and he did the same to mine, and well, we ended up fighting, rolling around on the models strewn across the room, crushing them.

In the end, I lost a complete Dark Eldar and Chaos army, and I refuse to ever play against that guy again!

I see what you did there.

The worst Ive seen, was one of the first games I played on my own. The guy was IG and cheated by setting up EVERYTHING in his favor and then setting up his army first. I was chaos. He kept measuring shots with his basilisk that was BEHIND a building and just hammering me with stuff. I lost, but just barely. (I got lucky on a bunch of rolls) Once I got in I was starting to kick his butt good. He got so mad he did the arm slide across the table and started swearing and kicking things.

The best, a guy that was in the same group, was simply put and AWESOME player. He would give you tips on how to beat him BEFORE the game. Help you while you were playing the game, and then after he crushed you (always did lol) he would explain better tactics and such. Very cool fella

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Well, maybe it would have been if they did it twice.

I should stop posting...period.

Horst wrote:I've called people on the following things, and don't really think I was outside the bounds of good sportsmanship to say..

- your vindicator cannot fire on my space marines, it has a hull mounted cannon, with a 45 degree firing arc, and you are outside of that arc.
- you do not get the charge on my marines, you just came in from reserve, rolled a 4 for difficult terrain, a 6 for fleet, and i'm 18" away from the edge they came in on. (he fudged movement about half inch on each move)
those are my two most common calls I have to make against people, and they just normally look at me like I raped and murdered their parents. are these kinds of things splitting hairs to yall?

I guess the first one depends. Are they .5 degrees out or something more obvious? I think if they are on the line you should give it up. It not then you are within your rights to deny the shot.

The second sounds pretty clear cut and I'd think you are well within your rights to call a player on dodgy measuring.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

starbomber109 wrote:Worst sportsmanship relating to game list/play.

A few of the guys at my FLGS got together for a four person per side huge game (around 6000 points total on each side, like an appoc game, but without super-heavies) a few weeks ago. On one side, SPACE MARINES. (Dark angels, blood angels, Templar, space wolves)

The space marine players all had three dreadnoughts (Space wolves had four), one of them was a furioso death company dread...and a Techmarine was sitting behind them, along with a bunch of tactical squads and deathwing with heavy weapons.

It was a marine dreadbash...

How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Thats EXACTLY what I was wondering. 6000pt game with 13 dreds is totally doable. what was the other sides armies?


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starbomber109 wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Well, maybe it would have been if they did it twice.

I should stop posting...period.

Im still confused. Your calling bad sportsmenship for playing legal armies?

Maybe I'm the bad sportsman :(

Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step.

Horst wrote:
- your vindicator cannot fire on my space marines, it has a hull mounted cannon, with a 45 degree firing arc, and you are outside of that arc.

I do this all the time, my mate has before now tried to fire a demolisher cannon out the back ramp but I agree with The Green git if its tiny don't worry.

Horst wrote:- you do not get the charge on my marines, you just came in from reserve, rolled a 4 for difficult terrain, a 6 for fleet, and i'm 18" away from the edge they came in on. (he fudged movement about half inch on each move)

amazingly I havn't had to call anyone out on this before (no offence if I know any of you) but (again agreeing with the green git) I would definately call them out on it

Sorry, I'd been thinking of "Sportsmanship" in a different way. (some guys around here seems to think of lootas as somewhat poor sportsmanship :/ )

But actually I haven't really encountered any poor 'sportsmen' yet, and I'd like to think I'm pretty passive, and I won't get into heated rules arguments if I can help it.

All I know is last week, when those space marine players tried to organize another 6000 point game EVERYONE who had run up against the dreadwall said "I hope you don't run another dreadwall" And they didn't...instead they ran 7 land raiders and it turned into a hilarious road block mid-table

It's cool, the tone of my question was a little unclear now that I look back at it and shouldn't have been open to sounding hostile. I was curious because our tourneys locally have started including army "balance" as part of sportsmanship, which seems to have nothing to do with sportsmanship in my mind and wanted your angle on it. When I play Apoc, I play Chaos and field all Daemon Princes and superheavies (rarely allying in Chaos daemons Greater Daemons if I have the extra points). My opponent's tend to take lots of/practically all tanks, and it typically turns into MC players vs. Tank players.

Oh yeah. I've also experienced extremely bad sportsmanship from people not even playing.

Like pointing out my plans, and telling my opponent how to get out of it.

Or tipping off my next opponent as to what I have in my list.

Neither are even vaguely acceptable when the game is between two people of roughly equal skill. Yet both seem to happen in every game I play.

Big'Uns wrote:While someone throwing a little tantrum or being a rules nazi might be annoying.
Every time I play a model gets broken, someone gets angry and eventually someones Un's end up on the table.
wanting to eat pizza that you did not pay for however is just downright rude.

How's that off topic?

And I challange you to contest my Nerdfight formula.

1 drink per player turn and see if you can make it through a whole game without an argument.

Nerdfight formula destroyed. The local scene of "cooler" players (aka a bunch of us that have fun yet stay competative and non are TFG's) get together every friday or saterday night and drink untill we don't remember what turn it is and usually quit. But we're also more veteran players that knows the rules like the back of our hands.

So I'll redo your formula for you

(Alcohol + Warhammer) x douchebags present = Nerdfight

Thus if no douchbags present Nerdfight will equel zero!

Worst

3rd edition era. I played a "friend" who just got into the game playing DE. He took a list so full of cheese that it made the game unpleasant, but the worst part of it is he'd rub it in, laughing and taunting me the entire time. I eventually just quit and packed up my stuff.

Best

I think I'm going to toot my own horn on this one. I was in an airport and was reading my new $9 White Dwarf. A kid 19-20 years old saw it and asked me about it, he was so enthralled by the pictures and the games that I let him keep it.

Anglacon wrote:Worst sportsman I ever faced:

While trying to practice with my army, I had no opponent, so I did the "Play against myself" type game, thinking it would give me a general idea of how the army played.
Well, I did not expect to have to argue and fight with my opponent the whole time!

I moved my models, and immediatly he claimed I moved my skimmer too far. I assured him that I moved the allowed 24", but he insisted on coming over to my side of the table to measure for himself. Then, to top it off, he moved my model back about 1/16th of an inch!
I was pissed, but kept quiet. During his turn, I claimed that he moved his chaos dreadnaught up too far as well. True, it was more of a revenge thing, but I went over to his side and moved his model back 1/16th of an inch!

That is when it hit the fan!

While measuring distance, his tape measure "accidentaly" knocked my talos off the table! It shattered in all directions. I was FURIOUS! I looked up at him, and he sat there with a stupid grin on his face and he said "oops!"
Needless to say, I smiled back and said "Accidents Happen", and I bumped the table, causing his Land raider with abbadon perched on top to fall to the concrete below!
He just sat there with a shocked look on his face, and then without warning, grabed asdrubael and chucked him against the wall! I started sweeping all his models off the table, and he did the same to mine, and well, we ended up fighting, rolling around on the models strewn across the room, crushing them.

In the end, I lost a complete Dark Eldar and Chaos army, and I refuse to ever play against that guy again!

I too would have punched the guy out.

Elthrai wrote:The best sportsmanship I have seen was when after a large tourney the winner, a guy bout 17-19 gave up his free battleforce box to a new player so he could get better started in his army.

That is pretty cool. I think if I was the FLGS owner that guy wouldn't be paying for drinks for a while...

I have two different kinds of 'worst' stories - first off on sportsmanship: 6th edition, I was playing Skaven and my opponent was playing Chaos. His method of beating me? After deployment, on first turn, he declared charges against all of my units. Now - keep in mind he was not in range of any of the charges - and he insisted that I had to make panic tests against his fear causing units. The rest of the game continued with similar crap. In the end, I wrote him off as an opponent. Apparently he's made quite the name for himself as being an absolute douche since.

On pure asshattery: Playing Dark Elves against High Elves. Turn one he moved his dragon too close to my lines, and my RxBs shot his dragon mage off the dragon. He flipped, and threw the dragon AT me (he missed). Needless to say he's been banned from that store, as well as the other store I play at.

The more common form of 'bad sportsmanship' I see around involves people spazzing out in the middle of the game. Just spazzing mind - no sweeps, models getting thrown around, or any of that other stuff. When I witness this type of BS, I just make sure not to play the person unless I have to (read: in a tournament). If I end up having to play the person? Well, I just do my best to beat the tar out of them on the field, and treat their episodes as a reward.

Worst Sportsmanship I've experienced was before a game even started. "Skinny" (as I have referred to in the past, present, and future threads), started arguing with me, before the game even started, about the size of table to play on. We were playing a 2000pt game of Fantasy on a 6x4 table and he was griping about not playing on an 8x4 table. We had not other tables available, but we ending up playing anyways. He conceeded after turn 4 anyways.

Worst I've seen from a distance: A guy picks up somebodies mini (who must have killed something of his), points at it and says some gibberish. The look on his face was classic.

He's not allowed to play in tourneys anymore.

A player, who i play frequently who I constatnly remind him of rules and stages, as well as giving him help on blast templates and tactics ideas that would probably kill men, who screamed and shouted because he started his shooting fase without moveing, and he rolled dice to hit and wound.

Also, maybe not as violent, but when i mentioned him measuring from the front of his base then moving them to the back of the base (an extra 2-3 inch moving models) He made sure that he did it exactly emphasising it so much it was rediculous.

And stating how he never wants to play against guard because they're overpowered, which can be fair, he just needs to understand theg ame more .

niceas wrote:... He flipped, and threw the dragon AT me (he missed). Needless to say he's been banned from that store, as well as the other store I play at.

For the love... I would be curious as to the facial expression of my local red-shirts should this happen in store. I can also imagine them getting worked up about having to call their Regional Mgr to explain why the police were handcuffing someone out front next to the big Space Marine!


We did have an incident there one time, though not with a gamer. This possibly emotionally disturbed, dirt encrusted individual came in while I was at the paint bar. He was having car troubles and wanted to talk to another hobbyist he had seen come in that had the same type of old Bronco (OJ Edition).
He was just talking to the other hobbyist, and getting louder, and using certain racial and sexist epithets.
A majority of the other gamers were as far to the back of the store as they could be (even though their game was in the front row of tables!).
Another had posted himself between this guy (who was becoming increasingly agitated) and a small child who was in with his siblings (Sheep Dog).
Manager was eventually able to talk the guy out of the store, as he prepared to light a half smoked cig he kept in his pocket.
Closest we had come to calling the cops - until some kids 'flying kicked' the Space Marine out front, and damaged it.

I love that store!

KingCracker wrote:Thats EXACTLY what I was wondering. 6000pt game with 13 dreds is totally doable. what was the other sides armies?

I think the issue was the teams might have been stacked to allow the veteran players to roflstomp a bunch of new guys. I wasn't there, though, so I'm basically talking out of my rear.

All-in-all, I've really only had good experiences with people. Even at 'Ard Boyz Prelims and Semis, everyone was really awesome and played fun, clean games.

Edit: I have played a few players with stretchy tape measures before, but that's nothing that keeping track of distances won't fix. (aka "You were 14" away from my Vindicator last turn when it shot at you, so I'm not really sure how you managed to reach it in base-to-base.") However, I'd even chalk most of those up to paralax error when measuring and whatnot.

oh... the one thing I HATE MORE THAN ANYTHING is when someone measures the distance with a tape measure, THEN PICKS IT UP and moves his piece by eye after that. Of course he ends up fudging his move by a good inch or so.

I've heard the dick on the table story several times but it was at a Gamesday in Chicago


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This was many years ago but my cousin was playing at the FLGS against a guy he really did not get along with and they had a argument over blast markers this was in second edition. Anyway things escalated to the point where and I do not know how my cousin grabbed the guy and monkey flipped him and then did a kip up it was like watching a fight from star trek.


Seriusly he monkey flipped him.

My worst 40K story is from 10 years ago:

I was very new to the game, and still learning the rules. Every Saturday for a month, it was just me two friends playing casual games. Then I got a box of ork boys a birthday present. They were my very first minis. I hadn't painted them yet, but I was really anxious to play with them. The three of us decided to go down to the fairgrounds a play with the local playgroup. I was asking some of the players if they wanted to play a quick, casual skirmish game that was just a unit of da boyz against a unit of their choice. I was trying to test myself on the rules with out my friend holding my hand and saying, "OK, now roll this, then this...etc."

One douche looked at my unpainted boys and said, "Get those unpainted abominations the feth out of my presence." A simple "no" would have sufficed. Another guy ignored the paint and asked where the rest of my army was. I told him that was all I had until I got paid from my paper route. He lol'ed and told my at that pace I should have an army in, oh, 10 years. He followed that up with, "If you can't afford this hobby I don't know why the feth you are here little boy."

I not only never went back, I never played again. Seriously, I just got back into 40K a month ago, and most of my minis are still in the mail. (I love ebay!)
Before you ask me why I took it so hard, I was a poor, sheltered 15 year old who just got shitted on by people I mistakenly looked up to. If that happened now I wouldn't have reacted that way. I think I would have monkey flipped the douche...

My army will be put together shortly and I have been reading the rule book and my codex while I wait for the mail, so I will be ready to play with the guys at work as soon as possible, and know what the feth I am doing this time.

The irony of the story: It really did take me 10 years to put together my army! LOL
The moral of the story: Don't dismiss noobs simply because they are noobs. Be nice to them unless they are being a total gak! I don't mind if they get punched in the ass and kicked in the face, as long as they deserve it!!

Polonius wrote:I game with the Hellfire guys in Pittsburgh, and they do a yearly tournament series, and the four tourney winners, plus the top four players by points, get to attend a tournament of champions. The format is simple: 1st seed gets to pick his first round opponent (except for 2nd place), then 2nd, then 3rd, and the last three face each other in the first round. standard single elimination after that.

When I found out that the sole mission was going to be victory points with 12" deployment, nothing fancy, I brought IG (old codex) with lots of boys and three LRBTS. It was a cheesy move, but I'm playing the mission.

Anyway, I beat my first opponent soundly, squeeze out the closest game of my life against a necron destroyer horde, and now I'm facing Marines for first place. At first, I can't understand how he won so convincingly in the first two rounds: a landraider, a dread, vulkan, some Th/ss terminators, a few squads in rhino, a libby, a vindicator, etc. Nothing horribly optimized. I run through his list, he gets first deploy, so I wander off to talk to some buddies while he sets up.

I get back to the table, and I notice a 10 man squad behind the landraider. I ask him what that is. He says it's a 10 man stern guard squad with combimeltas that the libby joined. I ask to see his army roster... they're not on there. the dude had been played up a full sternguard squad all day.

He was immediately bounced, I played who he beat in round 2 for the prize, and to this day nobody is sure if he cheated or not.

good guys. Played in your hellfire air show a while back...

Only one bad game vs a guy that was over the top obnoxious fake nice there

he ran a deamonette bomb army

Honestly, it would have been a great game if he wasn't over the top.... or if he knew the rules (aka... models could shoot if they could see over things in 4th ed... but then no one knew this last edition it seemed...)

niceas wrote:I have two different kinds of 'worst' stories - first off on sportsmanship: 6th edition, I was playing Skaven and my opponent was playing Chaos. His method of beating me? After deployment, on first turn, he declared charges against all of my units. Now - keep in mind he was not in range of any of the charges - and he insisted that I had to make panic tests against his fear causing units. The rest of the game continued with similar crap. In the end, I wrote him off as an opponent. Apparently he's made quite the name for himself as being an absolute douche since.

Wow. I'd heard people using this tactic to run the Warp Fire Cannon off the table, but using it to defeat an entire army? That's lame...(maybe the new rat book will fix this?)

Well I think he only had to take the test if the charge was successful right? So he was actually cheating? Or do you always have to take the test?

starbomber's unfortunate example is sadly possible. The warp-cannon trick is well known - anyone in line of sight can declare a charge, and the cannon must flee. Panic tests due to fear/terror are also taken before measuring the charge the only exception being if you voluntarily flee, which doesn't help at all. Still, once I saw someone pull the cannon trick against a kid during one of his first games, which was a cruel lesson.

Can't you stick some higher leadership dude in your units to keep your opponent from making that work? (donno how warhammer fantasy leadership checks work exactly though...but I know in 40K, you can make unit leadership checks on anyone in the unit, be they grunts, upgrade characters, or independent characters joined to the unit)

Edit: good lord, I was thinking "Skaven must have abysmal leadership if they run away every time they have to take a terror check" and then I looked up their leadership...oh my.

yeah you could... but if you have alot of units it would be hard since your limited on heroes/lords... however back on subject... last month at my local gw, there was a club ran event (they run it every month... a giant apocalypse game) and theyre appeared to be a very annoying amount of complaining within this game that i could hear since I was the table rite next to the table they were playing on... This month they made 2 rules for the battle... 1. Have Fun 2. NO WHINING

Not to far into the game, like everyone started pointing at one person (like 15 people or so) and started chanting, WHINER! WHINER! WHINER! and it was quite funny... I suppose its good that some people are making an effort to make games more enjoyable.

you know, the worst i've had to deal with is a friend or two that get kinda pissy when they lose.
reading over this stuff, i've apparenlty gotten lucky.

I can recall 1 case of each, may add more as I remember later.

Good- In the last round of 2007 GT (LotR) I was playing a feller, and we were both competing for a trophy again. He had brought what was at that stage one of the 2 cheese armies in LotR, but he was also a good general. He completely wiped the floor with me, but due to the victory conditions it ended up a draw anyway. Throughout the whole thing he kept up a brilliant attitude, playing briskly, measuring in my favour etc, and also had a pleasant discussion after the game about the results. When I called him up on a rule he patiently checked it out, without a hint of irritation, and when he found out he was wrong apologised for his mistake. Overall one of the funnest games I have ever had, despite getting absolutely hammered.

Bad- The first was in a tourny game, where me and my opponent were both battling for a place. I was in the lead, when another person, who had finsished his game, came over, and started helping my my opponent, by giving him a advice and basically playing for him, despite me asking him numerous times to stop. I won anyway, but it was really quite annoying.

MarkoftheRings wrote:
Bad- The first was in a tourny game, where me and my opponent were both battling for a place. I was in the lead, when another person, who had finsished his game, came over, and started helping my my opponent, by giving him a advice and basically playing for him, despite me asking him numerous times to stop. I won anyway, but it was really quite annoying.

thems thar are terms for expulsions from tournies around these parts.

chaplaincliff wrote:

MarkoftheRings wrote:
Bad- The first was in a tourny game, where me and my opponent were both battling for a place. I was in the lead, when another person, who had finsished his game, came over, and started helping my my opponent, by giving him a advice and basically playing for him, despite me asking him numerous times to stop. I won anyway, but it was really quite annoying.

thems thar are terms for expulsions from tournies around these parts.

Ha, I had that happen at my 2nd Pokemon tournament when I was just a wee tyke. My brother had finished his game so he came to watch mine. Fat generic douche #1 was watching also and FGD #2 was playing. FGD#1 stops my brother right before he greets me with "You know you can't help him, right? You don't need to talk to him." We both kinda snickered and let it go. FGD #2 is having a tough time against me, so the other guy starts coaching him right out. I called him on it and he said he didn't care what I thought. I proceeded to thrash the guy who was easily 3 to 4 times older than me anyway. Sweet justice.

I think the worst example of bad sportsmanship that I experienced was at a tournament when I managed to get to the final table. At the start of the game the player's rolled off to determine who would choose the mission. I won the roll and he whispered something into his friend's ear while pointing at the board. I chose Cleanse and he then explained to his friend why I had just made a mistake in my mission choice as though I wasn't even there. I told him that we would see.

I ended up winning the game decisively and he became more and more combative as the game went on, lamenting his luck even though it really wasn't very bad and acting as though all of my success was due to being super lucky. Towards the end of the game I caught him moving one of his units way farther than it was actually able to move to get it into a better position. When I called him on it, he said, "oh come on, you're already winning!" To which I responded that it gave him no right to cheat. He begrudgingly moved his model back to where it was supposed to go and continued to act all pissy. I pulled out a victory and shook his hand.

It is the arrogance of players that really bugs me most rather than any specific action. Being good at playing 40k is not really much to brag about, so when players act superior and full of themselves about their 40k skills it just seems ridiculous.

I cant think of my worst sportsmanship moment. Probably the guy who list tailored to beat my all terminator deathwing army.

I can say I am guilty of giving people advice mid game, but only when one person is being an absolute douche. I saw one kid who was playing this guy using salamanders, and the salamanders kid had played <10 games. The other kid would not let him do anything over, correct any mistakes and give him zero rules help.

So I'm using a friends not so greatly painted Dark Eldar to learn the game and have some fun while I build/paint my army.
My worst sportsmanship thing happened tonight infact. I was playing a guy who people at the store have said is a pretty good player (IG).
Now all the people I've played against so far and all the people I've seen play have always been cool with asking questions about their army.
"What does that do?" "How far can that charge?" etc....
Since I'm new to the game I ask a lot of questions so I guess people think I'm dumb or something. I've been wargaming a long time but 40k is new. I'm not a tactical idiot.
He gets more and more snotty with me as I ask him questions and question his moves. Thankfully there's a few people there to call BS on a couple of his moves and honestly I made a few mistakes on moves as well. The difference is I welcome people pointing stuff out because, I'm learning the rules still.
So I think it was turn 4 maybe? I basically position myself and crush the left flank of his army. He gets so pissed after blowing several rolls he picks up his Chimera and wings it across the table at me. It shattered the other ravager I had sitting infront of me and several models and hits me in the chest and side of the head (I was ducking). He then starts kicking the table when people finally start to grab him. Damn thing actually drew blood when it hit me.
It only happened a couple of hours ago and I still can't believe it. Having a cow because your wee toy soldiers died? Some people have definitely lost the plot. "Have fun" apparently is code for "Psychotic nerd-rage" now.

Sinister Brain wrote:So I'm using a friends not so greatly painted Dark Eldar to learn he game and have some fun while I build/paint my army.
My worst sportsmanship thing happened tonight infact. I was playing a guy who people at the store have said is a pretty good player (IG).
Now all the people I've played against so far and all the people I've seen play have always been cool with asking questions about their army.
"What does that do?" "How far can that charge?" etc....
Since I'm new to the game I ask a lot of questions so I guess people think I'm dumb or something. I've been wargaming a long time but 40k is new. I'm not a tactical idiot.
He gets more and more snotty with me as I ask him questions and question his moves. Thankfully there's a few people there to call BS on a couple of his moves and honestly I made a few mistakes on moves as well. The difference is I welcome people pointing stuff out because, I'm learning the rules still.
So I think it was turn 4 maybe? I basically position myself and crush the left flank of his army. He gets so pissed after blowing several rolls he picks up his Chimera and wings it across the table at me. It shattered the other ravager I had sitting infront of me and several models and hits me in the chest and side of the head (I was ducking). He then starts kicking the table when people finally start to grab him. Damn thing actually drew blood when it hit me.
It only happened a couple of hours ago and I still can't believe it. Having a cow cuz your wee toy soldiers died? Some people have definitely lost the plot. "Have fun" apparently is code for "Psychotic nerd-rage" now.

Wow! I'm sorry you had to experience that while your just starting 40k. I know once I finish painting my army and actually start playing again, I'll probably suck a load of hippo bawls... but I don't think I'll freak out and start throwing things at people... I mean seriously. It's normal to get frustrated and perhaps slightly angry (depending on the setting of the game (ie tournament, a game at the FLGS, or a game at home)), but there is absolutely no reason to throw models... ESPECIALLY at someone elses models! If you're going to break stuff, make sure it's your own stuff!

anticitizen013 wrote:
Wow! I'm sorry you had to experience that while your just starting 40k. I know once I finish painting my army and actually start playing again, I'll probably suck a load of hippo bawls... but I don't think I'll freak out and start throwing things at people... I mean seriously. It's normal to get frustrated and perhaps slightly angry (depending on the setting of the game (ie tournament, a game at the FLGS, or a game at home)), but there is absolutely no reason to throw models... ESPECIALLY at someone elses models! If you're going to break stuff, make sure it's your own stuff!

As a previous posted mentioned there are a ton of very awesome people in this community that make up for douchenozzles like the guy at my local store. I've had so many great experiences since I started my 40K adventure that guys a fading memory already.
One thing though, there are a ton of kids playing at the store I was at (None there tonight though) and I'm glad he did it to me rather than to some poor 10 year old.

I know I get frustrated with my dice, other players, etc... and want to wing them at the wall and I have a long time ago in my Role playing games days but I never aimed them at anyone else. Besides 20-siders are surprisingly resilient!

At a local shop several years ago they had an all day type single elimination tournament where the prize was $200 in store certificates.
So this guy throws his 10 year old daughter in there to basically give him an extra chance at the prize and I get paired up with her right off the get go.
Even though I took it pretty easy and set up some stuff for her to take out I still won pretty handily.
The dad then goes on to berate his daughter in front of everyone for losing.

how DARE that little girl lose a game.

@ Sinister Brian: That kind of Douchefaggotry is grounds for punching. And it would not just be me in my LGW.

I have never really played against people like this, apart from people who "Accidentally" add 200 odd points into their armies "by mistake."

Also I once played against a guy who had modelled a SM captain with two powerfists. When he hits close combat, he tells me It's Marneus Calgar. Okay, that's fair enough I think. He the tries to take his 2+ saves from termie armour, which the model does not have, is on the wrong size base etc. I was unimpressed. He still died to the Daemon Weapon toting Lord.

I didnt play against this guy, but there was a doubles tournament down in tennessee me and some friends drove to. And this guy shows up with kroot mercenaries and his son was playing dark eldar. Problem was his son didnt know how to play, he had that few friends, and he had to drag his kid along as his 'partner'. He got crushed by a team running 5 holo falcons (4th ed) last round. good riddance

Most of mine have to do with cheating. Was playing against a kid who had a Tyranid horde. And I mean he had ridiculous amounts of crap out there. As the game went on, I started tallying his points in my head, and he was over by stellar amounts, had to be. Turns out, he "thought" that the points costs for the upgrades you could give your bugs were SUBTRACTED from the base cost since they were preceded with a "-". So the more powerful builds actually went into NEGATIVE pints costs. He had 45 point warriors out there for like -7 points.

THen he went on to blame his issues (there were others) on dyslexia.

What....The......Heck

Eidolon wrote:I didnt play against this guy, but there was a doubles tournament down in tennessee me and some friends drove to. And this guy shows up with kroot mercenaries and his son was playing dark eldar. Problem was his son didnt know how to play, he had that few friends, and he had to drag his kid along as his 'partner'. He got crushed by a team running 5 holo falcons (4th ed) last round. good riddance

thats not really fair, maybe he was just trying to do something with his son.

Horst wrote:

Eidolon wrote:I didnt play against this guy, but there was a doubles tournament down in tennessee me and some friends drove to. And this guy shows up with kroot mercenaries and his son was playing dark eldar. Problem was his son didnt know how to play, he had that few friends, and he had to drag his kid along as his 'partner'. He got crushed by a team running 5 holo falcons (4th ed) last round. good riddance

thats not really fair, maybe he was just trying to do something with his son.

I agree. That sounds like something Id do with my son or nephew. I wouldnt go there to win, Itd just be a fun day with the kids. If you called me a looser for that, Id break your hands.

That is true, except some of the guys we were there with had played him before in the ard boyz, and he is a weasel. Turbo boost ravenwing bikes in the movement phase and then try for deathwing assault etc.

Also, all his son did was sleep, daddy played both armies for him. I can understand if he was helping his son get started, but this kid put zero effort into the game.

In my early years of 40K I lost almost every game. It was to the point where people would mark a point on their card when they saw I was their opponent, even before we played. And while I got a lot of jerks who took great pride in stomping a kid, there where just as many guys who would beat me and take the time to explain why they beat me. For them to not hold back and to take the time to teach me, that was the best thing they could have done for me.

On the negative side, I played a kid (10/11) with Orks on my FLGS tourny who was not really into actually measuring when he moved or shot, but made sure to double check my moves and shots every time, just to make sure I wasn't cheating.
At one point he was making a moral check and rolled a 6 for a 8 man mob. He started to fall back. I told him about mob rule, and he proceeded to call me a "god damn idiot who don't know nuttin 'bout Orks". At which point I opened my Ork codex to show him the rule. He then kicked the table, which made the legs fold back, which sent half the table crashing to the floor. Really glad half my stuff hadnt come in yet.

Also, anyone who complains about space marines when they loose. I mean really.

Worst I've seen, is an old rules thousand sons army (nothing under str 4 can hurt them) playing against my all guardsmen army with maby 2 las cannons, 2 heavy bolters, and 2 plasma and melta guns. I was about 9 or 10 at the time and he was 25-30 looking for an easy win.

Best is same army different player, ignored the str 4 rule.

the next day I bought a LRBT

I've been fortunate to have pretty good opponents overall. The worst ones were people who, when I outmaneuvered them and commenced the curb-stomping, seemed to be just milliseconds from bursting into tears.

THERE'S NO CRYING IN 40K!


When I first got into the game back in the day, I was fortunate to have a lot of people that played completely different armies that were mostly good players. They'd teach me their tricks and it wasn't long before I climbed from a consistent last place in tournies, to 3rd. I think the first time I placed top 3 in a tournament against a bunch of adults when I was like 12 was one of the best feelings in the world.

combatmedic wrote:
At one point he was making a moral check and rolled a 6 for a 8 man mob. He started to fall back. I told him about mob rule, and he proceeded to call me a "god damn idiot who don't know nuttin 'bout Orks". At which point I opened my Ork codex to show him the rule. He then kicked the table, which made the legs fold back, which sent half the table crashing to the floor. Really glad half my stuff hadnt come in yet.

Well if it only had 8 orks left he shouldve had to taken the test as he did right? Or did you mistype the story... Or am I misunderstanding? BLOODY HELL IVE CONFUSED MYSELF!

Buttlerthepug wrote:

combatmedic wrote:
At one point he was making a moral check and rolled a 6 for a 8 man mob. He started to fall back. I told him about mob rule, and he proceeded to call me a "god damn idiot who don't know nuttin 'bout Orks". At which point I opened my Ork codex to show him the rule. He then kicked the table, which made the legs fold back, which sent half the table crashing to the floor. Really glad half my stuff hadnt come in yet.

Well if it only had 8 orks left he shouldve had to taken the test as he did right? Or did you mistype the story... Or am I misunderstanding? BLOODY HELL IVE CONFUSED MYSELF!

A 6 passes for an 8-man orc squad, so he didn't have to fall back. The kid thought he did have to fall back, and he was being a nice guy and explaining to him that he passed.

Exterminatus 2009

TFGuy was playing a GORGEOUS Army. Absolutely fantastically painted. the display board alone must have taken weeks to do. Playing a buddy of mine on the next table when i hear this:

(My buddy)..and that's all i got...your move man.

(TFG) What did you say to me?

(My friend) I said it's your turn

(TFG) I dont appreciate your tone...

what? what are you talking about..i just said it's your turn man...get over yourself

(TFG) You better watch how you talk to people man..you may get some learning in the parking lot after the game...

at this point in time my friend tells him to jump, and get the T.O.

TFG is bounced from the tourney later.

Funniest part, my friend was an Alabama State Trooper had his badge on him and everything...

CapNCaveman! wrote:Exterminatus 2009

TFGuy was playing a GORGEOUS Army. Absolutely fantastically painted. the display board alone must have taken weeks to do. Playing a buddy of mine on the next table when i hear this:

(My buddy)..and that's all i got...your move man.

(TFG) What did you say to me?

(My friend) I said it's your turn

(TFG) I dont appreciate your tone...

what? what are you talking about..i just said it's your turn man...get over yourself

(TFG) You better watch how you talk to people man..you may get some learning in the parking lot after the game...

at this point in time my friend tells him to jump, and get the T.O.

TFG is bounced from the tourney later.

Funniest part, my friend was an Alabama State Trooper had his badge on him and everything...

Why do I envision TFG as being a middle aged over-weight male with a bald top and pony tail trying to act tough to a state trooper?

Im not the only one right?

No one knew he was a cop. until after. hahahahaha

he was white, middle aged, slightly overwieght, camo pants with a crew cut.

was priceless.

My image was more of a 98 year old with a grimacing ork tatooed on his bald head. Is it just me?

The best case of sportsman ship I've heard of was from my friend. He can be a bit wierd at times, and some things (mostly jerks) can set him off. In a big tourney, he brought his undead army and was up for the finals. All he needed was a draw and he'd be in with a chance.
First turn, his lord miscasts, kills himself, and his entire army crumbles. ...He luaghed, shook the guys hand and said "Don't know how you pulled that off, but you've gotta show me sometime."

A recent example of bad sportsmanship was when we organized a sort of HQ battle for the little uns. This kid with the most ANNOYING voice acted like he knew everything, and was really TFG. Not young, not inexperienced, but simply TFG. He bragged about how his Space Marine captain (from Black Reach) was going to pwn all the other players single handedly. One of the other kids apparently gets sick of it, and shoots the guy with his lascannon. BLAMO, and the captain is dead.

The TFG kid stares blankly at the (now dead) SM captain. And actually says "No. He can't be dead. He CAN'T be dead. Nothing can kill him!"

I discreetly (well, sorta) land the other kid a high-five.

Emperors Faithful wrote:A recent example of bad sportsmanship was when we organized a sort of HQ battle for the little uns. This kid with the most ANNOYING voice acted like he knew everything, and was really TFG. Not young, not inexperienced, but simply TFG. He bragged about how his Space Marine captain (from Black Reach) was going to pwn all the other players single handedly. One of the other kids apparently gets sick of it, and shoots the guy with his lascannon. BLAMO, and the captain is dead.

The TFG kid stares blankly at the (now dead) SM captain. And actually says "No. He can't be dead. He CAN'T be dead. Nothing can kill him!"

I discreetly (well, sorta) land the other kid a high-five.

I had the same sort of thing happenat my FLGS a few years back. I was playing against a guy he must have been 20 or so and I was 11 or 12, he was using an DE archon with shadow feild (2+ invul save till he fails it) and was claiming how bad ass the character was and that it couldent be killed. I was playing DH with IG allies so I hit the guys raider with a lascannon or something that this thing was in with its retinue. killed 2 or 3 of his incubi. Then hit the squad with a battle cannon to kill off the rest of hte incubi and perhaps try and make him fail the omgwtf invul save, which he easily passed. To which he said I would have to do better than that and laughed at me.

I asked the kid if the archon had better than a 4+ save which he said no but he has a 2+ invul save which in his opinion makes him completely invincible and that I shouldent even bother to try and kill it. At this point I get a very large smile across my face. The guy's rants on how unkillable this guy is has atracted a crowd wondering how I'm going to defeat this thing.

After I finish all of hte rest of my shooting and he thinks his precious character is safe from the leigon of lasguns that would be his downfall, I point at my Grand master, declare hes shooting his psi cannon at the archon and promptly vapourises it. The guy after all his claims and bragging that this one model is going to kill my whole army, starts to yell and scream at me. I told him it was just a game and he should calm down before he gets banned from the store. He responded by grabbing all his models and shoving them back into his case without putting htem in the slots. Closed it up with a lot of crunching and snapping. This pissed him off more and tryed to blame me for destroying his models and demanded that I payed him restitutions for the destroyed models, when I said I wouldent he promtly grabed a handful of my guardsmen threw them on the floor and crushed them underfoot.

Cops were called, bad things happened (I think they maced him), and I ended up with a new platoon of guardsmen courtesy of the store.

heh. I versed my friend archaon with the 2+ invo, and although his entire amry pretty much OD'ed on drugs, that one guy kept living to tear through my entire army. We both thought that even he wasn't going to surivive 3 turns of footslogging through shooting from IG AND proceeding to kill each and everyone of them.

Not a single one. Never.

We both lol'ed as he singlehandedly killed off nearly one hundred IG models.

I long time ago I won overall at a GW store. i whooped the crap out of those little kids and showed no mercy. They are now stronger for that. I would have asked for the list and told them they were full of crap. Then caught them cheating and auto won and then donkey balled them.

Just me tho.

*facepalm*

Apparently I'm an example of Best Sportsmanship, as I was awarded that very title at a tournament last Saturday. "The man who loves to lose..." was what immediately preceeded the announcement of my name.

First game, lost 80% of my Mech Eldar army on the first turn against an extremely lucky/accurate Imperial artillery army.

Second game... well, I stomped an Ork army. I don't think this kid voted me.

Third game, very close triple objective game against a MSU Slaaneshii Daemon army.

Fourth game, central objective against Mech Plague Marines. Being far from a position at the end of the day, I bladestormed, and then charged, a Doom/Guided unit of them just for a laugh. It didn't work.

LOL "The man who loves to lose..."

(Mabye you should sig that? )

Worst? we have a regular player, whom how can i put it? has the social skills of a slug. every time we play, he yells when he misses a save, or throws things, gets abusive, you name it.
so ive had to stop playing with him.
Best? the boys from upper austria ( a provice if you dont know, we have provicial torunments every year.)
no matter what place they are in,winning or loosing, they are always courteous, helpful and bring gifts, for their apponents, i had mentioned that i had 2 sons a few years ago, and low and behold every year they bring lollypops for them. now thats what i call real sportsmen.

Sinister Brain wrote:So I'm using a friends not so greatly painted Dark Eldar to learn the game and have some fun while I build/paint my army.
My worst sportsmanship thing happened tonight infact. I was playing a guy who people at the store have said is a pretty good player (IG).
Now all the people I've played against so far and all the people I've seen play have always been cool with asking questions about their army.
"What does that do?" "How far can that charge?" etc....
Since I'm new to the game I ask a lot of questions so I guess people think I'm dumb or something. I've been wargaming a long time but 40k is new. I'm not a tactical idiot.
He gets more and more snotty with me as I ask him questions and question his moves. Thankfully there's a few people there to call BS on a couple of his moves and honestly I made a few mistakes on moves as well. The difference is I welcome people pointing stuff out because, I'm learning the rules still.
So I think it was turn 4 maybe? I basically position myself and crush the left flank of his army. He gets so pissed after blowing several rolls he picks up his Chimera and wings it across the table at me. It shattered the other ravager I had sitting infront of me and several models and hits me in the chest and side of the head (I was ducking). He then starts kicking the table when people finally start to grab him. Damn thing actually drew blood when it hit me.
It only happened a couple of hours ago and I still can't believe it. Having a cow because your wee toy soldiers died? Some people have definitely lost the plot. "Have fun" apparently is code for "Psychotic nerd-rage" now.

Wow,what a F***ing idiot,jesus christ some people really need to learn its only a game.

It's sad enough having to explain to my soical worker why i've got models all over the place,nevermind nerds raging like mad.

I hope that guy got banned for life.

The best sportsmanship ive experienced was when i was young and collecting tau (being the noob i was). There was a campaign on and i had non of my mates playing(at the time) so i got my nerves up and asked a regular for a game, he said yes and i verusd his wraithlord elder (4th edition codex being used), enough to say it was a close game i just won with a firewarrior squad left, and when we shook hands one of the staff members (who has a massive tau army) goes up to us and says, hey kid you do realise your army is roughy 300 points over the the limit (1,000pt game) i checked it out and he was right /facepalm. I freaked out a felt really bad/ashamed, but the guy i verused said it was fine and helped me work on the army list and still gave me the win. nice guy...

Bad sportsmanship was a TFG cheating on the same tourney, he pupstomped kids who didnt know the rules and was accused of cheating, (for example and i saw this, his hive tyrant did a physic move, and the kid asked what it was, TFG said it was a large template physic move with str10 ap1, he destroyed the kids unit/s by making gak up, i went up to him and told him he was wrong he replied "Stfu you dont know gak about tyranids.") he was a dick and a TFG rolled together into 1 giant douche, thankfully he got banned from the store.

My worst is I was facing an all foot IG army in an RTT with my Wych Cult. I see his list and start thinking he will set up the old gunline on his board edge and shoot me off of the table ( I would have). Instead he sets up as far forward as he can and for the first three turns moves everyone forward. I explained to him that the 2 units I had on the table were Web Way Portal carriers and my reserves are stacking up until I open them. I also made sure he knew that everyone coming on the board is in a Raider. His reply was that IG are the same STR and Toughness as my girls and since he has the numbers he can take me in HtH. Needless to say on turn 4 my last unit made it's reserve roll so I popped the portals and the only unit he had remaining on the board after that was his command squad in a far corner. The Disintegrator missed.

Guy was so pissed he packed his army to leave. The TO talked him into staying but he spent the rest of the day complaining about how overpowering Dark Eldar are and shouldn't be allowed in RTTs. To top it all off he gave me zeros for sportsmanship and comp.

Hawkins wrote:Best? the boys from upper austria ( a provice if you dont know, we have provicial torunments every year.)
no matter what place they are in,winning or loosing, they are always courteous, helpful and bring gifts, for their apponents,

Beware of Upper Austrians that bare gifts. This is usually succeeded by a pounding.

GG

Not really a bad sportmanship example I dont think, but I was TFG just messing around.

The local GW store had just gotten the new IG codex in as a store promo copy. The manager had started bragging that he had written the worlds baddest army list that would wreck all opponents hobbies.

I told him that my orks and I would eat his list.
He said something 'impolite'.

I literally ate his list on the spot.
" I told you me and me boyz would eat your list."

JonnyDelta wrote:Not really a bad sportmanship example I dont think, but I was TFG just messing around.

The local GW store had just gotten the new IG codex in as a store promo copy. The manager had started bragging that he had written the worlds baddest army list that would wreck all opponents hobbies.

I told him that my orks and I would eat his list.
He said something 'impolite'.

I literally ate his list on the spot.
" I told you me and me boyz would eat your list."

No thats not a bad sports. Thats just funny. Its only a list, no models got hurt....

I would say that my first tourny was the worst that I had seen, and the best I had seen, or more so most satisfying. I was using DA and the first match was against a chaos army, this was back in third. It was a 1500 point tourny and I noticed something odd... we deployed our armies, and I realized that he had nearly TRIPLE the amount of units I had on the board. Not to mention, he had special char's such as Chainssaw-face aka Kharn, and another I cant remember. I asked a TO to check his math as this just couldnt be possible, needless to say his points came to something around 3200, and he blamed excell for not adding things properly, which is definetly possible, but how do you not notice that that looks wrong?

Anyways, he threw a hissey-fit when the TO told him he had 15 min to rewrite his list, which he complained but proceeded to do, and I played someone else in the meantime. I won, he apparently won against his opponent, and we were forced to battle anyway. I had first turn, one shotted his LR with a lascannon first turn, and he quit claiming I cheated.

The TO was already sorda annoyed at this kid, so said listen, your not going to be allowed to play if you do this, so the kid played. I beat him in the long run, since neither of us had the objective but I had more KP. I swear he almost tried to fight my buddy four or five times he was quietly but noticeably chuckling behind me the whoooollee game. It was a wierd day.

Bad sportsman there are 3 stories ashamedly one involving myself....


Number 1:There was this kid would play as all the latest armies would always get "daddy" to pay for all the latest models to cut a story short he would always belittle and shout his mouth off during games going "OH YEA EAT IT" and "CRAPPY LITTLE MARINES!".It really used to piss me right off.!
Number 2: Game my Crimson Ravens Vs Tyranids now the army was legal "Tyranids" but the first loop hole came when the kid knocked my dice during iniative roll I roll again and he does it again claiming it was accident and he has first turn.Second a unit of Gaunts last ed 3rd ed codex I think before fleet of claw runs "24 across the board.At this point I go "I cant do this your cheating" the kid gestures as if to say yea "Come get some" I get Black shirt over and he promptly throws out kid and his chavvy gang for threatening violence and just taking the piss!.
Number: The shameful story I was playing my good friend (Who now manages Cribbs Causeway store) he was playing Eldar and I was playing my Crimson Ravens it was top of last turn and I was losing badly kid from number 1 was looking snide and going "Your going to lose" "hes going to kick your ass" I snap and go "feth OFF YOU LITTLE gak! STOP BACKSEAT GAMING JEEZ RUNT!" I get stares from around the table you know awkward silence someone pips up and goes "Hes fifteen dude" It was well awkward I felt as If I should pack up my minis I played through though and got my sound thrashing I deserved.Suffice to say I live in the comfort my niece punched his teeth in when they were in School (Unrelated incident) and that he got banned (For being a dick (lifetime ban from Horsefair and Cribbs *smug*.


Good Sportsman

Id say the kid with auspergers syndrome best damned game Id ever had against his Chaos army he was so attentive to the game saying "Do you need more time to sort out your army list" and "Yea that dice is cocked I'll roll again" and just a pleasure to play.Had more of a sense of Sportsmanship then others.
Another was Playing LOTRs with a kid I soundly thrashed at Cribbs he was a bloody good regular opponent threw a benny at Cribbs when I beat his Orks but loaned me some Moria Goblins to play in a mini tournament top little chap.Was rather infuriated to hear he was beaten up by some stupid gangbanger Chav wanabees and put off the hobby tis sad.

I played a massive four-player game that was set up to follow a script. It was three eldar armies, Uthwe, Biel Tan, and Dark eldar verse imperial guard and chaos with tyranids joining in to make a real brawl out of the whole thing. The battle was set at 6500 points – bare in mind that this was way before Apocalypse came out.

Of the players I had the three eldar forces at least model wise. The other player fielded both the chaos and imperial guard as both armies were his. The two other players were going to show up two hours after we started playing. One was a tyranid player and the other was his younger brother who was new to the game, did not possess an army, and was interested in trying out eldar.

Base on this I came up with the idea of creating 1200-point Biel tan force for the younger brother to play. And the older could play tyranids that would enter the game via the old CA tyranid deepstrike force, he would be a free agent attacking whomever he wanted. We decided that the biel-tan force and the tyranids would enter the game on the third turn reasoning that’s the point the game would have reached when the two brothers arrived. The chaos player had a baneblade, it used pre-apocalypse rules that I think was even tougher then their modern set.

Well the chaos player was just horrible.

Because of his excruciating slow deployment and turn taking we were still on turn 1 when the two brothers arrived. Bare in mind that I was playing 5300 points verse 6500 as the biel-tan forces that would be controlled by the younger brother would be the other 1200 points missing from my force.

I suggested that the brothers enter then game on the 2nd turn so then do not have to wait through a whole another turn. The chaos player angrier shouted this idea down, as he felt strongly against me receiving the biel tan forces that would put us one a equal footing in terms of points. I had the foresight to create a mini-game with the last chancers hunting the red terror for the brothers to play –reasoning that they might have to wait a little for us if their arrived mid-turn. So we catered to the chaos player and the brothers played my mini-game three or four times and watched us play waiting for the third turn.

During the game I flew an empty raider in front of two basilisks and blocked their line of sight for direct targeting. The raider was soon destroyed and I placed a destroyed marker on top of it. The chaos player then goes about taking his turn, but starts to direct fire his basilisks. I stop him and inform him that my burning wreckage of my raider would block line of sight. He than argues that because the vehicle is destroyed he can see through it. He is very insistent on this concept. Unable to find in the rulebook were it says that you couldn’t shoot through destroyed vehicles – I had to dash up to my WD collection to pick up one with a battle report in which one player used his destroyed vehicles to block line of sight. Only then did the chaos player concede his argument. He indirect fired his tanks, and I kept silent on how in 3rd you were not allowed to fire indirectly after other units fired regularly.

I managed to assault his baneblade, which was a monster throughout the game, with my scorpions, the exarch armed with a powerfist and I believe the squad with haywires. When rolling for hits I mentioned that I auto-hit because the tank didn’t move during the chaos player’s last turn. At this the chaos player insisted that the tank did in fact move and swore on the lives of his parents. Now I was pretty sure that the tank didn’t move, but I was not sure enough to swear on my parents lives sure so I counted the tank as moving when rolling for hits. My scorps bombed the assault and the tank slaughtered them next turn – the tank only had one structure point left at the time of the assault.

Well my backup arrives with the kid who has the lion share of all my aspect warriors. He has shining spears, spiders, banshees, fire dragons and some other stuff. A falcon with a squad of fire dragons closes on the baneblade and finishes off the tank. The young player is thrilled at being the able to make such a large contribution to the game. So here comes the chaos player to rain on his parade. He goes on this whinny rant accusing me of rigging the game by making the biel-tan force with the sole purpose of destroying his super tank in mind. He starts on about how could he have possibly win the game if the there was a falcon with fire dragons arriving on the third turn. His tank definitely earned back its points in destruction of my forces and the tyranids, but he would not let go, he was apparently the victim of some form of villainous conspiracy to cheat him by killing his supposedly invincible baneblane.

Well the game ended with the tyranid player getting completely destroyed, he really had a misfortunate number of DP rolls combined with the chaos player placing his pie plates with perfect precision. The baneblade took out two squads of 16 genestealers in one shooting phase – a template over each on the turn they arrived and out of 32 hits not a single one to wound was rolled. When this happened the chaos players was practically dancing with joy and openly mocked the tyranid player while heaping praise on his tank. The eldar were victorious in the end. The chaos player whined throughout the game whenever something didn’t go his way and threaten to pack up and leave several times. It was only when we called him on it and told him to go if he wanted and we would just play a regular game between us, did he stop the threatening nonsense.

Anyway it is always amazing how one whiny player can ensure no one else can derive any enjoyment from a game. For a while after that I avoid playing large games as this one left me with a bitter taste.

First game i ever played. 1500 point generic marines vs a tau guy. This was back when tau first came out. He puts this huge piece of area terrain in the middle of the map. Like 3x4 feet. It does not block line of sight, but i move in difficult terrain. He won the game killing half my stuff, I killed a shield drone. That guy was a gak.

There was this other necron kid that used to play at my LGS gaming leagues. Guy was the worst sportsman id ever seen. You play 6 games, against all unique opponents, end of the league whoever did the best wins a prize. This kid deep strikes his monolith, and it goes off the table. I LET him bring it on, but right on the table edge. Next turn i declare charges, forgetting to shoot my defiler. He says I cannot make that shooting up. When I tell him to remove the monolith then, he gets an attittude and explains how that battlecannon shot is much more important than his monolith dying. I win the game, got mad, and the gears started turning in my head. Gave him a serious curb stomping. I dont show up the next week Because that was my last game. 5 wins and 1 draw, I was far in the lead. I come back and find my score is erased. That fether had gone and told the organizers I was cheating. My cheating? 2 of the 3 champions in my chosen squad had demonic strength, 1 did not. The FAQ making that illegal, which i never saw, came out after I had played all my games. But the organizer was the above mentioned tau player. I didnt play there for a year, when they had new management.

m' dad versed a guy who seemed to do spectacularly well in all his rolls, which ofcourse he picked up before you could see the dice. He also seemed to have some mighty good upgrades for the points cost listed.

Best sportsmanship? 3-way games between my dad, me, and little brother are always good because we help eachother to extreme points.

Ouch @ Eidolon's tory, I feel sorry for you

Worst bad sport: Agreed to play a game reluctantly, thrashed me silly, pausing to insult my army choices regularily.

I play a brilliant game a couple of weeks ago however. He joked and laughed throughout - I won the game but he conceeded without a hint of annoyance. The game was great, more of a lively chat whilst rolling dice than a game - such fun.

Once played a guard army with my marines. The guy was using loaded dice as he would always make the rare armor save he had to take with a 6 and most of his shooting rolls hit and wounded with 6s. I still won I forced leadrership tests on his units, he kept rolling 12 for his LD checks 12 for his regroups and 12 for his flee. After the game he acused me of cheating, his reasoning that his dice were loaded so he should have won.

Note to all if your using loaded dice, dont use them for leadership and flee rolls.

Sidstyler wrote:lolz, never heard of anyone literally whipping their gak out on the table.

If you can think of a better way to measure movement/assault, i'd like to hear it

But, I can't move infantry that far!

Jimi Nemesis wrote:But, I can't move infantry that far!

I loled

But I can't turboboost Landspeeders that far...

I can shoot my Stompas Deth Kannon that far >:O

I might be able to run my infantry that far, if i roll low

JonnyDelta wrote:Gamers with eye patches?
Thats like instant street cred.


I have seen dice tossing - though at times it has been coordinated/aimed. And all in good fun.

LOL !
I can see it now , Eye patch back in 02 - the Battle of Black reach - dice fragment..

the enemy was all over - green tide - rolled a cover save and the dice flew...

I have 3 stories of bad sportsmanship,

First was my only blow up in my 8 years of playing, it happened when I was playing my CSM against my friends Eldar army. First turn my 8 man NM squad took 8 wounds, I only saved 2 of them, my CSM squad w/ IoCG maneged to get pinned! (rolled a 12 and rerolled an 11) and then when Thyphus took 3 wounds I picked him up and smashed him against a wall (first time I used him too, cause he has 4 wounds!).

The second is about my old step father who got into the game when i was in high school a few years back. It was his Necrons vs my DA. The turn before mine his warriors had shot at my dev squad, so I elected to shoot at the wariors that had shot at me the turn before hand. He said that they couldn't see his warriors, even though his warriors could see my guys? I managed to cause enough wounds to cause them to take a morale check, which i reminded him to take, they then fell off the board. He got so pissed that he threw a die at me that actually left a scratch on my knuckle.

And last was my former best friend who quite playing 40k and picked up Fantasy. When i asked him why he saided that I only wrote chesy lists and that 40k was broken. In reality it was because he wouldn't listen to anyone's advice and had never beaten me in over the year that we had been playing.

My gaming group has a dice box; it is just an 8” by 10” by 6” open box that we use to contain our dice when we roll. We do this to keep the dice contained and basically keep the game orderly, plus it keeps the dice from mingling with the dice on the table during play. One of the rules is that dice that fall out of the box or miss the box due to over-enthusiastic rolling the competing player decided if they were rerolled or kept – it was done by the individual die basis “Reroll the 4, 5, and 6; but keep the 1 and 2 for your armor saves”. This rule was made to encourage players to keep die discipline.

The player I was up against had the horrible habit of walking out of games that he felt he could not win. He was called on it and repetitively informed that it was expect of him to play out a game even if he felt the odds had shifted against him. Well I was playing him and had reached a point where I was about to unleash a decent amount of fire against his chaos lord’s retinue. It was the third turn and I had spent the first two maneuvering my forces while he blasted away at my units. Several of my units were now firing upon his one unit and I rolled to hit for them together to save time and sorted the dice by color before handing them to him informing him of the break down, “The green are the shuriken catapults from my guardians and jetbikers, the red are the shots from my star cannon, the white are from the shuriken cannons, and the blue are my thrown singing spears. I slide the box over to him explaining what wounds on what and what ignores armor. (The way we played you roll to see if your own models were wounded)

My opponent starts complaining and saying there is no point in continuing since I was clearly going to win. I sternly and calmly lecture him on his obligation of playing out the game, making reference to the social backlash that would be handed to an opponent that stormed off mid-competition in any other competitive event. At this the whining stops and I allow myself to believe that the player has be led to see the error of his conduct. The player picks up the assortment of colored dice handed to him while maintaining eye contact holds the dice a foot away from the box and lets them fall all over the table. He looks at me, waves his hands over the dice and says, “Pick out the ones you want me to reroll”.

I look back at him and nonchalantly state, “Oh, I want you to reroll all of them, pick up 27 green, 2 red, 7 white, and 2 blue dice and try again.” And he had to spend the next few minutes counting out the dice that he had so callously spilled across the table. We played out the game despite his skulking behavior. He actually wanted to play another game after that – I declined.

You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

IMO theres a difference... If there is 100% NO WAY you can win (this is something Ive rarely seen... its possible for a turn of good/bad rolling or one bad move to turn the game...) then I would say its ok to forfeit in a friendly way(ex: "Hey looks like you got me beat and in order to save us both some time Im just going to give you the win"). That would be a fine way to forfeit a game in the situation... Getting pissy cause you got outmanuvered and shot up, and just saying Im out, this is pointless... no. Thats just a waste of the other persons time is it not? This is just my thought though..

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

You'd have to be pretty darn sure that you're going to lose, though. There are people that throw temper tantrums at the dumbest things. There are plenty of times where a game can (and has) been turned at the last second for an unexpected draw or win. My brother once won a local league game because one Daemonette survived mass shooting and was still able to contest an objective, while his last two Plaguebearers held one objective.

If you can play to the end, you should. If you've been stomped by turn two, okay maybe you won't turn it around. I think the problem most people have with people who forfeit is their attitude. Sounds like a lot of stories people have the person is just throwing a hissy fit, and in some cases they do it all the time. If they had a better attitude about it they probably won't be held in the same low regard as those who just quit becaues things aren't going their way.

*edit: fixed a typo*

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

The player left the game because on turn 3 I was able to get two wave serpents of guardians and a larger unit of jetbikes in position to fire upon his lord's unit. This was my very first shooting in the game. He wanted to call the game before even rolling to wound. Were I to let him have his way I would simply play 5 or so games where he spends two turns killing my units with range fire and forfeit when I was able to strike back. Why would I volunteer to play under that system? Why would anyone?

In tournaments that use ranking and prizes when you forfeit the other player receives something even if it is just placement – plus it might have a real adverse impact on your sportsmanship score. If two people are playing just for fun and one player decides he is going to quit the other player is not compensated in any manner. Why should I go through the trouble of transporting my army, setting them up, spending two turns moving while he gets to blast away at me, just to have him demand a do over on the third turn.

If I get a suitable prize every time he quit a game then I would play 6 or 7 half games against him and allow him to restart however many times he would like. But, given that I had made my expectancy for a complete game known before hand, I believe I was well in my rights to expect a full game. He wanted to end the game simply because through two turns of maneuvering I was able to be able to attack his HQ. Like I said this was the first time in the game my army fired against his as I spent the previous turns engaged in rapid movement while he shot up my forces.

As for the right to forfeit, what would happen to a sport team that left in the first quarter because the other team was a few points ahead? If any member of a competitive system stormed off at the first perceived setback there would be large repercussions against them. When a master chess player forfeits he is acknowledging that there is absolutely no chance for him to win, not that it would be difficult to win. If he did it because he simple lost a piece or found himself in a tough position he would have a very short career.

This was a problem with the player, he would quit a game when the mission was rolled if he felt was against him. He was instructed before hand that when playing in my group he was expected to complete the game unless the other player agreed to end it as well. His behavior was a whiny, passive-aggressive attempt to violate the agreement we held him to, something I did no let him get away with.

Worst case in recent memory.....

Playing in Team Doubles tourney. Playing with a Marine list that was hard and designed to win games - 4 LR's between the two of us on our coalition. Exchanged lists before the game with the other team. They obviously don't like our lists. Only one Melta gun present in their lists. Ask where it is and they show the squad containing it. So run Land Raiders away from it and towards other side of army. Another squad jumps out of a Rhino and has a Melta gun in it. We call them on it - they say it's a list error and obviously the model is modeled as a Melta. We cry foul and they get pissy and refuse to change it. We play on - they proceed to shake and eventually kill one LR with it - maybe two (memory fades with old age). We lost - they won. At then end they mark us down for sportsmanship (as we did them) - they also told the other half of their team to mark down the other half of our team. Sigh....sometimes it happens - probably not bad guys and they may have been honest with the list issue - but this is a major tournament - and it DID affect the outcome.

At this point - damage was done and I didn't want any more crap. My team mate was really hot about it though. Took it up with the judges. The model was removed from the rest of the tournament. In hindsight, we should have brought the TO's over during the game - maybe could have saved the win. Other than the MG's they had almost nothing that could hurt the LR's......


Otherwise - out of a....LOT....of tournaments, I would say 95% of my games have been positive and things I've met fun people to play at, seen some beautiful armies, made a few good friends along the way.

This was an old posting I made on the old Awkward Moments Thread. I am reposting it because i feel it demonstrates issues with sportsmanship.

Grunt13 wrote:THE GAMER THAT WOULD NOT LEAVE

This one is fairly dated 3rd edition city fight, the game was played at my house. This was our second or third consecutive game that night. He was a bit bi-polar, when he was losing he was very morose, bitter, and often threatened to walk out on games; when he was winning he was practically dancing. He was in a really bad mood due to losing a previous game, so I gave him a 350-point handicap on a 1500 game. I was playing dark eldar and he was chaos marines. This was supposed to be a quick game as it was getting late. But, it went really late due mostly to my opponent taking long movement and shooting phases.

When we rolled for missions it came up as Gauntlet, which was for those who remember the most broken mission at the time. The attacker had to set up in a small deployment zone and cross the board to an exit point on the other side of the table. The defender gets to create a killing field between the two points.

My army was raider heavy and had a webway gate. If I wanted to be a punk I could have just jetted over and drop the gate right next to the exit point. But, I felt I should play the game as in keeping with its design and not take an easy victory that would be salting my opponent’s wounded ego. So turn one I drop the gate 12” from my starting point an exited my ground troop with the raiders supporting the footsloggers. The game was a real challenge I crawled through buildings while getting gunned at from every angle. I sacrificed my raiders to block fire to my warriors and basically took abuse while making my way to the exit point. The game had a random turn length and it ended right when my entire army was 6 inches away from freedom. Because my army was moving together not a single one of my units made it to the exit point. So the mission read as a complete defeat for me, and a total victory for my opponent, despite the fact that I was inches away from an impressive victory. At the time the game ended it was getting close to 3 am.

This is where it gets a little trying. Instead of excusing himself, my now ecstatic opponent felt it would be more to his interest to go over his victory point by point, and I am too polite to say “Yeah… go home now”. So after about 30 minutes of his self graduations on his genius tactics (Please bare in mind it is late and I am tired), I could not help but point out it was only for but a single roll of a die that that prevented the outcome from being the reverse. Normally I would bite my tongue, but I allowed weariness to dull my social reservations. Anyway he didn’t like this and broke off in to a diatribe about me being a sore loser. He rather insisted we discuss this at length while I consider myself to be a low confrontational individual. I managed to steer the conversation to an adequate conclusion and he left allowing me to crawl into bed.

Grunt13 wrote:This was an old posting I made on the old Awkward Moments Thread. I am reposting it because i feel it demonstrates issues with sportsmanship.

Grunt13 wrote:THE GAMER THAT WOULD NOT LEAVE

This one is fairly dated 3rd edition city fight, the game was played at my house. This was our second or third consecutive game that night. He was a bit bi-polar, when he was losing he was very morose, bitter, and often threatened to walk out on games; when he was winning he was practically dancing. He was in a really bad mood due to losing a previous game, so I gave him a 350-point handicap on a 1500 game. I was playing dark eldar and he was chaos marines. This was supposed to be a quick game as it was getting late. But, it went really late due mostly to my opponent taking long movement and shooting phases.

When we rolled for missions it came up as Gauntlet, which was for those who remember the most broken mission at the time. The attacker had to set up in a small deployment zone and cross the board to an exit point on the other side of the table. The defender gets to create a killing field between the two points.

My army was raider heavy and had a webway gate. If I wanted to be a punk I could have just jetted over and drop the gate right next to the exit point. But, I felt I should play the game as in keeping with its design and not take an easy victory that would be salting my opponent’s wounded ego. So turn one I drop the gate 12” from my starting point an exited my ground troop with the raiders supporting the footsloggers. The game was a real challenge I crawled through buildings while getting gunned at from every angle. I sacrificed my raiders to block fire to my warriors and basically took abuse while making my way to the exit point. The game had a random turn length and it ended right when my entire army was 6 inches away from freedom. Because my army was moving together not a single one of my units made it to the exit point. So the mission read as a complete defeat for me, and a total victory for my opponent, despite the fact that I was inches away from an impressive victory. At the time the game ended it was getting close to 3 am.

This is where it gets a little trying. Instead of excusing himself, my now ecstatic opponent felt it would be more to his interest to go over his victory point by point, and I am too polite to say “Yeah… go home now”. So after about 30 minutes of his self graduations on his genius tactics (Please bare in mind it is late and I am tired), I could not help but point out it was only for but a single roll of a die that that prevented the outcome from being the reverse. Normally I would bite my tongue, but I allowed weariness to dull my social reservations. Anyway he didn’t like this and broke off in to a diatribe about me being a sore loser. He rather insisted we discuss this at length while I consider myself to be a low confrontational individual. I managed to steer the conversation to an adequate conclusion and he left allowing me to crawl into bed.

Ahhhh, I miss that thread.

Anywho, I find it truly sad that people get so morose when losing. (Not you, of course!)

@ sinister Brain I have never heard of anyone throwing a chimera at anyone else. Although I did hear of a fist fight at a GT that I did not attend. I understand people get angry sometimes and/or frustrated. That is just not exusable for ANY reason under any circumstances. I have been upset before but I would never do that. That could have/should have been arrested.

I remeber my other bad game:

I dont feel like going into much detail, as I am still simmering after over a year, but the person I Played against had the most whingy, annoying voice, and had a very bad attitude and dodgy moving. When he started losing he became noticeably sulky. At one point, I did not shoot my throwing weapons, as I measured them to be out of range (LotR), and then the next turn he moved his models in and charged me. After a lengthy arguement, I eventually gave up, as he was such a nob. Playing wood elves, you die pretty easily if you dont use all the upgrades you have, and that quite possibly cost me a place at GT. Not very happy

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

To a point, I have to agree with this.

While one person might have fun rolling a lot of dice to evaporate his opponent's units off the board well after his opponent has a viable chance to effectively participate in the game, the person entering the wonderful exercise of repacking their minis during mid-game isn't have so much fun.

The game is supposed to be fun for both people, right?

Since I got back in the game back in 2002 or so, I can count the number of games I have forfeited on one hand, but I have never demanded that an opponent who wished to forfeit continue playing beyond the point where they were having fun.

To me, pressuring someone into continuing to play when they're just not having any fun is just as bad as a person throwing a temper tantrum and quitting after turn one.

I very rarely forfeit games, and only when its in turn 5 or later. I knew a guard player who frequently quit and gave up after turn 3, when your units were in combat. It was unfair as he basically got to do everything the first two turns, and then wouldnt play when it was your turn.

Theres one kid at my LGS who is shaky on rules. I try to rapid fire my tac squad at his tyrant, he is outside 12 inches by a fair amount. So i shoot normally. He then moves his tyrant, im not paying too much attention. Declares charge in the assault phase and happens to be in range. I argued it, explaining the only way thats possible is if he moved over 6 in the movement phase.

Saldiven wrote:

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

To a point, I have to agree with this.

While one person might have fun rolling a lot of dice to evaporate his opponent's units off the board well after his opponent has a viable chance to effectively participate in the game, the person entering the wonderful exercise of repacking their minis during mid-game isn't have so much fun.

The game is supposed to be fun for both people, right?

Since I got back in the game back in 2002 or so, I can count the number of games I have forfeited on one hand, but I have never demanded that an opponent who wished to forfeit continue playing beyond the point where they were having fun.

To me, pressuring someone into continuing to play when they're just not having any fun is just as bad as a person throwing a temper tantrum and quitting after turn one.

While I agree that the largest component of a game is that both players are enjoying themselves; I felt it was important to hold my opponent to the expectations that my group placed on him. What do you do when the other player goes from “Oh this is great I’m blowing you up yeah!!” to “Wait, you just shot at me! Do Over Do Over! Clear the table New Game!”. The argument could be made that it was my fault for playing against the player who behaved in his manner – but I felt that despite we were of the same age group I could encourage him to improve his gamer etiquette, plus how do you just outright exclude someone from your group?

Walking out of a game on the drop of a hat is rather unacceptable by most people's standards. I felt obligated to hold my opponent to the game for ethical reason as much as my desire to play out the game I had invested my time and energy into. If he couldn’t enjoy or find stimulating a game that the tides have turned against him than that was on him. As for a moral equilvance between my forcing him to continue and him storming off, there was an expectancy set before hand for him to play out his games – he was not losing, he was just getting shot at; something he had spent two turns doing to me. I held him to his obligation, something I felt was important to cease his behavior – which was conducted at the suffrage of my entire gaming group.

Where I come from if a child in kindergarten stormed off from a candyland game with another kid, they would receive a lecture on sportsmanship from the teacher and be expected to apologize to the other student. I really don’t recall situations where racers just quit and walked off the track because someone is ahead of them. I played sports while in high school and I can barely imagine a team quitting the field. The score could be 72 to 0 and there could be ten minutes left in the 4th quarter and the losing team would still play out the game or “finish strong”. Now this could be a social thing or maybe a geographic thing, but most people that I know would consider someone who storm out of games to be the definition of a poor sportsman.

I felt the behavior of my opponent was just reprehensible. I feel the need to point out yet again that this was the first time any of my units attacked one of his, it was on the start of the third turn, he had just spent two turns blasting away at my army, and he was told by the people in my group that he was expected to finish his games before hand (something I thought went without saying). He was told that both players had to agree to end a game – he took that to mean that he was free to whine and sulk to force a player to concede. I feel that I was entirely justified in my handling of the situation. If I let a person get away with that sort of behavior I would share the blame when he continued perpetuated it.

We have a player who will often quit if he gets a bad start, the current record holder got him to quit in the second turn...that's gonna be a tough one to beat.

Though we were talking about setting a game up, getting ready to play, but before any dice were rolled on your turn, to forfeit...just so he'd know what it's like for us.

RxGhost wrote:We have a player who will often quit if he gets a bad start, the current record holder got him to quit in the second turn...that's gonna be a tough one to beat.

Though we were talking about setting a game up, getting ready to play, but before any dice were rolled on your turn, to forfeit...just so he'd know what it's like for us.

My guy once quit before deployment, he didn’t like the mission rolled and the table edge pick. Try confronting him first with the clear expectation of game completion first - it would likely save you the hassle.

But if you try it your way I would recommend playing out the game a little, but screwing up and allowing him to get into a powerful exploitive position before ending the game. That way he would understand what it felt like to have the game be suddenly terminate before a climatic gesture on his part. Get a camera and snap a picture of his expression right at the moment you forfeit the game. Print out the picture and show it to him whenever he implies that he wishes to prematurely end of the game.

Worst sportsmanship example I can think of in recent memory.

Playing a 2 v 1 game vs my friends witchunters. I have written a special scenarion just for fun and so that he got to try out some of his anti-psyker stuff for once I stipulated that every player must include a psyker.

He absolutely trashes me and my friend for about three turns and we've done almost nothing in response. Every gambit and move has been met with crushing failure.

On about turn 4 he's engaged with a few assault units and rolling dice and realise that he forgot to fire and charge his seraphim on the right flank. I had noticed this and was quite pleased with the development as I hadn't really managed to do anything to him yet and I was hoping to wipe them out next turn with a charge from my boyz.

He realises he forgot to charge them and asks if he can. Now ordinarily I'd say fine go ahead since this was a friendly game but I was so desperate to claw something back that I said no, rules state you declare and move all chargers before you start rolling attacks. Not my finest sporting moment I'l concede.

Now this friend was usually a nice guy but he had genuine anger management issues. One of the things he did rather than scream and yell when he was pissed was to hit something solid really hard until his knuckles bled. He used to do this a lot during bloodbowl when his team would fumble or one of his guys was injured.

So he goes to start pounding his fist against my wall until he calms down and immediately punches a hole in my wall!

The tension in the room after the wall split was unbearable. I was pissed, he was suddenly terrified and really apologetic and my team mate was standing off to one side clearly thinking "oh somethings about to happen."

Fortunately we got a hold on it soon enough and played out the rest of the game. It ended up being a lot closer as my team mate and I pulled it around in the last few turns but my friend still won handily in the end.

Now of course we can laugh about it.

I would throw somebody out of my house if they punched a hole in my wall over 40k. I get really angry too, and have put my fair share of holes in walls/broken stuff. I once threw a phone so hard into the ground it bounced a good 50 feet. But thats over serious stuff. Flipping out that much over 40k, that you put a hole in someones wall, is way too much.

Grunt13 wrote:
I felt the behavior of my opponent was just reprehensible. I feel the need to point out yet again that this was the first time any of my units attacked one of his, it was on the start of the third turn, he had just spent two turns blasting away at my army, and he was told by the people in my group that he was expected to finish his games before hand (something I thought went without saying). He was told that both players had to agree to end a game – he took that to mean that he was free to whine and sulk to force a player to concede. I feel that I was entirely justified in my handling of the situation. If I let a person get away with that sort of behavior I would share the blame when he continued perpetuated it.

I think "reprehensible" is an almost comically overstated term for this situation. It's not like he's cooking up meth in his basement or invading Poland. He's excercising his right, as a player, to forfeit a game. Letting people forfeit only when they're completely and utterly defeated serves no purpose other than to breed resentment in the victim. You're forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do. The fact of his not wanting to play games to the turn limit may be a problem, but it cannot be solved by such strongarm tactics.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, players who forfeit do so for perfectly sound reasons, even if they might not be apparent to their opponents. I've seen (and indeed have done) forfeits on the first turn of an MTG game, following a gross mis-play or outrageous luck of the draw. In such circumstances, the opponent has no right to gainsay that decision. The player playing the deck, or the 40k army, or what-have-you, knows what they need to win, and knows when those conditions are no longer likely to occur.

You don't have to like it. All you're required to do is sit there, take the victory, and cope. Even shaking their hand is optional. You're under no obligation to play them again, either. But what you don't get to do is tell them how to play their army.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Grunt13 wrote:
I felt the behavior of my opponent was just reprehensible. I feel the need to point out yet again that this was the first time any of my units attacked one of his, it was on the start of the third turn, he had just spent two turns blasting away at my army, and he was told by the people in my group that he was expected to finish his games before hand (something I thought went without saying). He was told that both players had to agree to end a game – he took that to mean that he was free to whine and sulk to force a player to concede. I feel that I was entirely justified in my handling of the situation. If I let a person get away with that sort of behavior I would share the blame when he continued perpetuated it.

I think "reprehensible" is an almost comically overstated term for this situation. It's not like he's cooking up meth in his basement or invading Poland. He's excercising his right, as a player, to forfeit a game. Letting people forfeit only when they're completely and utterly defeated serves no purpose other than to breed resentment in the victim. You're forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do. The fact of his not wanting to play games to the turn limit may be a problem, but it cannot be solved by such strongarm tactics.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, players who forfeit do so for perfectly sound reasons, even if they might not be apparent to their opponents. I've seen (and indeed have done) forfeits on the first turn of an MTG game, following a gross mis-play or outrageous luck of the draw. In such circumstances, the opponent has no right to gainsay that decision. The player playing the deck, or the 40k army, or what-have-you, knows what they need to win, and knows when those conditions are no longer likely to occur.

You don't have to like it. All you're required to do is sit there, take the victory, and cope. Even shaking their hand is optional. You're under no obligation to play them again, either. But what you don't get to do is tell them how to play their army.

rep·re·hen·si·ble (rpr-hns-bl)
adj. Deserving rebuke or censure; blameworthy
from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reprehensible

Reprehensible rather covers the situation in my opinion, the word accurately portrayed the level of frustration I felt at his conduct, plus his violation the establish conduct of my gaming circle and social etiquette. If I was an outsider walking up to the game and saw a friend or close associate behaving the way my opponent was, I would try to take them aside and confront their behavior – thus rebuking them. Whether you agree with my group’s decision or not, it was a rule my group made.

My opponent didn’t wish to stop gaming, just stop playing the game that I currently invested nearly 2 hours into (He was a notoriously slow). If he said he didn’t want to play any more and wished to leave, take an extended break, or perform another activity; that would be different – I might have been a little peeved at ending the game at that point, but I would understand and accommodate. He wanted a do-over, for me to clear the table and start a new game with him. When denied he began the behavior that was the focus of my criticism.

Looking back at my posts I see that I didn’t make it clear that it was my unwillingness to start a new game that elicited his behavior. So I apologized for not making that clear before. He always had the option to simply leave or stop playing, I didn’t kidnap him and hold him hostage at gun point. I merely denied his request to have a do-over and told him if he wished to continue playing with me he had to complete the game. After that game I was too burned out to even think about having another with him.

He continued to play but in a manner designed to irritate and force a concession from me – I intended not to allow such tactics to undermined my stand. It was like watching an adult try to get his way by holding his breathe. He could stop playing me, or he could finish the game, that was up to him. I simply refused to cater to insistence of starting another game.

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

I agree with Timmah. If you want to forfeit, you should be able to. I would consider it rude to refuse to allow an opponent to forfeit. If they are not having fun there should no nothing keeping them in the game.

I caught some heavy flack once for forfeiting in a team tourney game on turn 4. My team mate had been wiped out, and all I had left were two tac marines and a unit of terminators (who were only still alive because I had failed every reserve roll thus far). There was no way the tacs would survive the game, and my choice with the terminators was either drop them in the middle of two players worth of chaos and die futilely , or drop them in the cornor of the board and play keep away until the game ended and deny them one final KP.

Since my choices were limited to 'they get all the kill points,' or 'they get all the kill points save one if I act like a dick,' I went with the former and saved some time by forfeiting.

Bookwrack wrote:I caught some heavy flack once for forfeiting in a team tourney game on turn 4. My team mate had been wiped out, and all I had left were two tac marines and a unit of terminators (who were only still alive because I had failed every reserve roll thus far). There was no way the tacs would survive the game, and my choice with the terminators was either drop them in the middle of two players worth of chaos and die futilely , or drop them in the cornor of the board and play keep away until the game ended and deny them one final KP.

Since my choices were limited to 'they get all the kill points,' or 'they get all the kill points save one if I act like a dick,' I went with the former and saved some time by forfeiting.

This brings up a thing to consider about Tourneys: If the scenario does NOT offer full battlepoints if your opponent forfeits, then they should have to play it out to the bitter end. In friendly games, I'm all for forfeiting when it's obvious it's only going to drag out an already decided game. My only stipulation is to play out the full game turn so both players get to play the same amount. If my opponent forfeits at the first minor setback, that's still his right to do so and I have no right to make him keep playing. On the other side of that coin, it's my right to evaluate whether playing him ever again is worth the risk of spending more time setting up than playing the game before he forfeits.

I don't think you should ever be able to get battle points that were off the table at the time of the forfeit; i.e., if you get a battle point for having all of your Fast Attack survive and yours are all dead by the time your opponent surrenders, you can't get a battle point for that.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't think you should ever be able to get battle points that were off the table at the time of the forfeit; i.e., if you get a battle point for having all of your Fast Attack survive and yours are all dead by the time your opponent surrenders, you can't get a battle point for that.

Right, but stuff like "Control all the objectives" when you currently only control all but one, or "Destroy all your opponent's vehicles" when he has 1 or two left, etc. Stuff that you can feasibly get if you finish out the game, but you currently don't have. Your opponent forfeiting shouldn't prevent you from getting battlepoints.

Oh, yeah, I agree with you there.

“Strongarmed” “forcing” “tell them how to play their army” “rude” “just as bad” ..…. REALLY?

The player was told to finish the game with me or find someone else to play with. That was the only leverage I had over him. If he wanted to continue to play against me he had to finish the games or at least play them out to a satisfactory point and not end them in his accustomed manner. He had the same amount of control in the situation I did – he could either decide to play against me or not. He couldn’t have his cake and eat it too. If he chose to abandon games in such fashion then he had to find someone else to play with, it was that simple.

As players we all have the right to decide whom we game with. That goes with the right to make conditions for our involvement. Most people have probably made such conditions or they accept that they go without saying (clothing is mandatory), this was mine and the player knew it. In the past I have told players that if they want to play with me they couldn’t chew tobacco during the game – I can stomach a lot of things, but being in proximity of someone chewing always nauseated me. If someone who had the habit asked me to game and I agreed on the condition that he didn’t chew during the game – wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect that agreement to hold? What if halfway into the game he plopped a big piece of shoal into his mouth and began spitting into an open cup? If I told him to knock it off or find another person to game would that be unreasonable? How is this any different what happened with me? Some people are fine with chewing just as some people are fine with someone ending the game on after two turns on a whim – I’m not so that’s why I made sure my opponents knew before hand I had conditions. As for being ‘rude’ and “strong-arming” my opponent ……. Really?

I have no issue with ending games prematurely, if it is reasonable to do so – my issues was how and why the player chose to end his games. When playing against tyranids with my zombie LatD by the end of the 4th turn all that was left were two TMC each with a cheering section of 20 zombies (zombies had little chance of killing the TMCs). I looked over to my opponent and said, “Do you want to do this out, or should we call the game a draw now?” I have had no problem with thoroughly crushed or poorly situated opponents forfeiting – I have even gently suggested it in some games “ I am willing to discuss the terms of your surrender now”. But, what the player did was violate an agreement by having a hissy-fit when one thing did not go his way and then expected me to start a new game with him.

Quitting when one thing doesnt go your way is terrible sportsmanship. What if we both deployed, you stole the initiative, and immobilized my land raider. I then declare a forfeit, is this fair?

The worst I have seen was a guy that spent the whole game just complaining. His army was just totally built wrong to face my IG mech list. The game ended in a tie but he just spent the WHOLE GAME every waking second complaining about me not letting him attack me or me not doing this and me not going at him so he can charge. Was slowed.

I have a few myself lol none are in tournies but in casual play I have been known to take models and dice (Guardsmen mostly) and peg them on the wall. Luckily I'm good with the staff having worked at the store haha. But I am known for having my off sayz where the individual dice/ model just deserves it haha.

Generally, if I have time, I'll continue playing even if getting my ass kicked, but generally, when I'm losing, I'll try to cause as much damage as I can. Or at least take out an important tank/character/big thing.
If its two o'clock in the morning, and the game is pretty much decided, I'm going to pack up and leave.

When versing my friend at our FLGS before EVERY roll I make he Shouts "FAIL!". Surprisingly, this works. (mostly) It's really quite funny becuase it only works when he says it (mostly) but it is still KINDA annoying. (also he has a sus sense of humour)

If you are versing an opponent, only quit if you are REALLY getting nailed, the game is obviously lost, and you want to save time to get another game in with someone else. The main condition of course, would be that you concede that the match belongs utterly to your opponent.

Good sportsmanship example:

When playing my dark eldar against tyranids, one of my squads of warriors was sneaking through the woods and had the misfortune of getting a direct hit with a biovore frag mine. The mine wounded everyone it touched and took out my entire squad save 3 guys. I lost my leader and specialists so the unit was pretty much out of the game. It was only during my movement phase did I realize that I forgot to attempt cover saves for my warriors and cursed my stupidity.

Well the tyranid player offered to let me take my armor saves and put back the surviving models. I really appreciated the offer, but declined realizing that the player completed his shooting and assault turns with the impression that the unit had been destroyed and it would be unfair to him to return the unit to the game. My game before him was against a win at any cost kind of guy who once demanded I end my movement phase because I placed a flamer template by my haemonculus after moving him, I picked up the template and put by him so I could find it in the shooting phase – 80% of a movement phase thrown out due to my compulsive need for organization. Well the tyranid player’s gesture restored my faith in fair competition when it was at a low point.

Emperors Faithful wrote: concede that the match belongs utterly to your opponent.

I hate that. When someone concedes because you are kicking their ass, and they then turn around and argue that they could have still won it. That it was just up in the air, but they were bored or whatever.

I played with a guy who plays Blood Angels and got upset (read annoyed ranting and swearing) firstly over terrain at the start of the game he'd insisted that all the terrain was not of the area variety (so he could use all his jump troops without fear of losses) then changed his mind on my turn 1 when I dropped an orbital barrage on his honour guard killing all 9 of them(but leaving mephiston unharmed) leading to a 15 min argument over cover saves granted by ceilings, grass etc. Second argument was when I dared to move backward instead of forward into his all melee killer units of doom. Tried to claim it was unfluffy and there was no point in goin on as it was just gonna be a stand off (he didn't want to move his squads out of cover). All this arguing got worse later when mephiston met sternguard and 5 combi-plas rapid fired him to death. Now not to paint him too badly he is getting better slowly.

I was playing in a store battle years ago- Tyranids vs Space Marines (I was on the Tyranid side).

One guy brought some Blood Angels along. Most of them were fine, until he pulled out Commander Dante. Now:
- Special characters were not permitted in the battle, and he complained about that.
- Dante wasn't even painted. The staff member in GW who was overseeing the battle told him to put Dante away.

All good so far, until the 2nd turn. Blood Angels player in the previous turn had embarked a Tactical Squad into a Rhino. In the 2nd turn he drives towards my 'Nids, and disembarks from the front of the Rhino, before trying to shoot my Nids with other units. As he went to try, the staff member walked over and said "Rhinos can only be boarded from the back or sides; redeploy that unit properly". The Blood Angels player argued about it for a couple of minutes, which was annoying the other players (we wanted to get on with the game).

What happened next was hilarious. The staff member leans over the board, picks up the BA player's Tactical Squad and removes them from the battlefield, along with the Rhino. When the BA player asked what was going on, the staff member responded with "oh, random explosion, it killed the entire squad".

The look on the BA player's face was hilarious

Neith wrote:...What happened next was hilarious. The staff member leans over the board, picks up the BA player's Tactical Squad and removes them from the battlefield, along with the Rhino. When the BA player asked what was going on, the staff member responded with "oh, random explosion, it killed the entire squad".

The look on the BA player's face was hilarious

I know I always find it funny when the store staff grabs my models and takes them off the table. That's comedy gold there!

I have 2 regular opponents and between the three of us i think the ork player is the overall best sport..

He's gotten very annoyed once, and with due reason too..

First his mob of boys gets blasted to bits by noisemarine fire and the fails ld and mob rule, then his shock attak gun zaps itself into cc with a defiler, then i lash his second boyz mob into dangerous terrain killing enough to panic them.

Id be a bit red in the face after that too..



The worst player...

I lost it once when my 8man squad of zerkers joined by lucius charged a squad of banshees (not too bright i know) and they fluffed mostly everything that could be fluffed and got shredded..

Tossed a zerker in the deadpile a bit too hard so he bounced onto the floor breaking a shoulderpad and his backpack, i felt Reeeaally bad and apologised for being a git.

Haven't used the zerkers since then though. (they always die horribly, or survive killing nothing)


The other worst player would have to be the third player, plays an assorted bunch of armies, none completed and always wants to give up by turn 4 if he's losing.
If i'd have to label him he would be the archetypical "quitter"... going "whats the point of even rolling the dice, X squad's gonna die" a bit too often.

I have to coerce him into finishing games by giving him hints on how to beat me.



All in all though, we're good friends and respect eachother, and most importantly have Fun gaming

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

I prefer to call it conceding, you are being out played out matched and you can't see a way of winning then so be it.

If I concede - there is most defiantly a very sportsman like hand shake and thank you for a good game, I am new and
I know I am beaten, I will play and try stuff - but when your green tide has turned into a yellow trickle - you will tend to learn more
from a hearty handshake and good talk

Emperors Faithful wrote:When versing my friend at our FLGS before EVERY roll I make he Shouts "FAIL!". Surprisingly, this works. (mostly) It's really quite funny becuase it only works when he says it (mostly) but it is still KINDA annoying. (also he has a sus sense of humour)

Do it to him every time he rolls then. Make a game out of it, see who can shout louder without getting kicked out of the store.

We're really just a bunch of mates who meet every weekend outside the Leisure Centre. Food beverages are available for the little 'uns but I don't know if it really counts as a 'FLGS'.

Anyway, I've tried and it doesn't really work.
It is funny. The best time was when we all organized an Apoc match and the enemy rushed us from across the board. This turn of shooting was going to be crucial. They use the Dark Eldar power of Night Fight (Where you only roll 2D6 X2 for spotting distance. I had to roll for our whole sides spotting distance. He was on my side, but that never stops him. I could tell he was going to anyway.

Me: "Don't."
Him: "...what?" (smiling his head off)
Me: "Just Don't."
Him: "Okay. Whatever you do, don't (I roll the dice here) FAIL!"

Double ones. Snakeyes. Jack all.

A huge moan rose from our side. Each of my four team-mates then proceeded to mock-beat-me-up. They still don't let me live it down.

We won the match in the end, BTW

Which still makes no sense, why not "mock" beat the gak out of the failure screaming FAIL all the time, lmao...

Becuase I think it's funny.
(If sometimes annoying)
Besides, at least he's fair. He does it occasionally for himself as well lol.

nivekdaork wrote:I prefer to call it conceding, you are being out played out matched and you can't see a way of winning then so be it.

Exactly, there's nothing wrong witch conceding a game - though there is a difference between conceding (admitting that your opponent is the better general this time around) and calling it off in a huff.

I will (and have) concede games where the outcome is very obvious, and when there is a time constraint on the game (there are people waiting for the table, you're getting close to a tournament's time limit etc.). The opponent shouldn't feel robbed - it's a compliment on his skill after all. The difference is in how the conceding player acts. If they subsequently start whining about luck or broken army lists, then it's just them being an arse.

Though when I game with friends, playing to the bitter end is expected, or until we're all too hungry to finish

On topic: The worst sportsmanship I ever encountered was at a club rep tournament several years ago, and unfortunately the guy was on our team. I don't remember the exact list he took, but I do remember it apparently only just scraped past approval - I'm told that, along with general asshattery and gloating behaviour meant he was officially dis-invited by the host club from attending any further events. Needless to say we bombed out on sportsmanship because of him and wound up coming fourth - I suspect we would have placed otherwise.

+1

I hate players who storm off in a huff after a lucky turn on my part or an unlucky one on thers, once had a squad of guardsmen hit with 10 lasguns and wound with all 10 only to see 10 on their armor save rolls. The kid packed up his models and walked out of the store, saw him the next week buying a guard army.

During a WHFB campaign I once was paired up with a new kid... it was one of his first couple of games, and my 1750 Skaven list next to his 1250 Skaven list full of bloated characters was never going to run well against a 1500/1500 tag-team of High Elves and Wood Elves.

I took to the High Elves' flank and didn't do too well. My mages fried themselves, my war machines blew up and my tunnelling team got lost and never arrived. My teammate did surprisingly well, slaughtering a Wood Elf cavalry charge with basic clanrats, bowling through a unit of Swordmasters (or whatever those great weapon guys are), and was in a good position to counterattack...

Then his mum arrived to take him home.

At a good 1000 point handicap I played that game down to the last miserable clanrat. I've never forfeited a game and take great pleasure in doing damage with what I've got, making glorious doomed charges and denying a massacre if at all possible.

I've personally never had an opponent forfeit either, but wouldn't hold it against him if he did. I feel bad for opponents that lose to deployment or bad luck and can't have fun with a hopeless situation like I can. Some people are just like that, whether they're only in it to win or not.

Much respect to the bloke with the SM list I trounced last Sunday. In the last couple of turns I was trying to tell him how he could force a draw in the dual-objective game despite his only having a Land Raider and a mean Vanguard unit left on the table (which I'd been afriad to get near all game, despite having a very close-combat capable army). He refused to take my advice and played/enjoyed the game the way he wanted to. I'd have been more satisfied personally if he'd taken my advice and/or actually charged with his Vanguard... but his army is his game.

My instance of bad sportsmanship.

I was playing my Eldar against this 14 year old's super hyped-up upgraded Tyrannids, which ended up with Maugan-Ra decapitating his Carnifex, at which point he screams, throws a tantrum and has to be contolled by one of the adults who gave him a pen and paper, to "take his anger out on". Eventually he calmed down and continued playing. After a couple of turns, and his Genestealers got wiped out by my team-mate's heavy flamers: we went home before he could have another tantrum.

(If muppet slayer is reading this, you know who I'm talking about)

I threw a model (ravener) at one point in a tourney. I finished the game though. I sold the army 2 days later.

Valkyrie wrote:My instance of bad sportsmanship.

I was playing my Eldar against this 14 year old's super hyped-up upgraded Tyrannids, which ended up with Maugan-Ra decapitating his Carnifex, at which point he screams, throws a tantrum and has to be contolled by one of the adults who gave him a pen and paper, to "take his anger out on". Eventually he calmed down and continued playing. After a couple of turns, and his Genestealers got wiped out by my team-mate's heavy flamers: we went home before he could have another tantrum.

(If muppet slayer is reading this, you know who I'm talking about)

I think I know who you are referring to as well.

Lord Bingo wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:My instance of bad sportsmanship.

I was playing my Eldar against this 14 year old's super hyped-up upgraded Tyrannids, which ended up with Maugan-Ra decapitating his Carnifex, at which point he screams, throws a tantrum and has to be contolled by one of the adults who gave him a pen and paper, to "take his anger out on". Eventually he calmed down and continued playing. After a couple of turns, and his Genestealers got wiped out by my team-mate's heavy flamers: we went home before he could have another tantrum.

(If muppet slayer is reading this, you know who I'm talking about)

I think I know who you are referring to as well.

lol yeah that was so funny

Timmah wrote:But I can't turboboost Landspeeders that far...

really cause i dont think i can fire my hammerheads railgun that far!

(simply to put an end to it)

I can't fire my living lightning that far!

I played this ridiculously pretentious player once who thought that he was the gak because he played Battletech.

Anyway, I and some other people were Orks (I was borrowing a store army as I didn't have my own) against a store owned Chaos army, who the really pretentious player was on.

The whole time he's screaming f-bombs near this 7 year old kids which to me was just stupid. I wanted to tell him to stop but the less time I played against him the better.

It ended with a Nob killing his entire Terminator squad, he got super ticked which was funny.

I ended up losing; had it not been for my teammates we would have won and I would've loved to see the look on the tool's face.

I once had someone who is known in the store as a good player and painter play me and a friend, we were just joking around with my tau army, my friends daemon hunters army and his black templars army and though i knew he'd win as soon as he got me in close combat which he did, he charged my fire warriors so i charged some randomly equipped crisis suits ( i was new at the time and didn't take the time to decide what i took just put random bits and pieces) at his dreadnought (4th edition game) for fun. we decided it was a draw because he had to get home and the store was closing soon, we packed up our armies and as i was putting my last crisis suit away he said to someboy (cant remember who but they were talking about the game) "he made a really stupid move charging is crisis suit at my dreadnought when they had fusion blasters ha ha ha." i was so shocked at the fact that he was mocking me even though he KNEW i was new to the game i'm still his friend but i'm still ANNOYED about it.

Used to play Space Marine (epic) with a few friends. One guy's Eldar titans always used to kick ass with one particular weapon (can't remember the name), with a fearsome 150cm range.

After a couple of years of this, someone looked closely at his book, and saw the 1 in front of the 50cm was pencilled in...

Grr!

@ Slinky.

that man is in need of a crotch punch.

Grunt13 wrote:
Well the tyranid player offered to let me take my armor saves and put back the surviving models. I really appreciated the offer, but declined realizing that the player completed his shooting and assault turns with the impression that the unit had been destroyed and it would be unfair to him to return the unit to the game. My game before him was against a win at any cost kind of guy who once demanded I end my movement phase because I placed a flamer template by my haemonculus after moving him, I picked up the template and put by him so I could find it in the shooting phase – 80% of a movement phase thrown out due to my compulsive need for organization. Well the tyranid player’s gesture restored my faith in fair competition when it was at a low point.

If the template was next to the model... I can see this being an issue actually.... there are alot of players that will cheat by puting the template there and then moving the unit again to get better range. This is called premeasuring and is not allowed... I would not consider this a WaAC move....

however if you asked him before doing it and he said yes... then called that crap... I'd agree it was a D@#K move....

you should make a marker of somekind to avoid this in the future... like a guy on fire or something like that!

Another event with the 14 year old and the hyped up Tyrannids. My Executioner killed his only Synapse squad (3 warriors) and that sent most of his gaunts running. I roasted his genestealers with an Incenerator and my GK Grand Master passed his psychic test and annihlated his Carnifex (God bless Nemesis Weapons). He made up every single rule to prevent his Carni dying but to no success. A Turn 2 win resulting in another tantrum!

Worst sportsman ship ive seen hmm probably at my local gw I was playing my orks against some guys Nids, while my boys were running across the field with my big mek with the 5+ inv save thing he shot anything he had on me, didn't lose one boy (he failed at shooting,wounding or me making saves.) When I assaulted his dakka tryant tyrant died the first round. When he removes his tyrant he starts to scream and his hand spazzes out and breaks some of my boys (Like a arm) and throws his tryant into the box (A redshirt asks him to leave in which he storms off) Also its how i got my nickname

frgsinwntr wrote:

Grunt13 wrote:
Well the tyranid player offered to let me take my armor saves and put back the surviving models. I really appreciated the offer, but declined realizing that the player completed his shooting and assault turns with the impression that the unit had been destroyed and it would be unfair to him to return the unit to the game. My game before him was against a win at any cost kind of guy who once demanded I end my movement phase because I placed a flamer template by my haemonculus after moving him, I picked up the template and put by him so I could find it in the shooting phase – 80% of a movement phase thrown out due to my compulsive need for organization. Well the tyranid player’s gesture restored my faith in fair competition when it was at a low point.

If the template was next to the model... I can see this being an issue actually.... there are alot of players that will cheat by puting the template there and then moving the unit again to get better range. This is called premeasuring and is not allowed... I would not consider this a WaAC move....

however if you asked him before doing it and he said yes... then called that crap... I'd agree it was a D@#K move....

you should make a marker of somekind to avoid this in the future... like a guy on fire or something like that!

I place the template next to the model after I moved my squad, so I wasn't using it for measuring. The player stated I had moved on to my shooting phase because I picked up the template. He had a point, so I didn't fight him on it. It was just a careless act on my part that cost me. I still felt it was a little harsh for a subconscious gesture

The player stated I had moved on to my shooting phase because I picked up the template.

That's just silly. Nothing forces you to start shooting because you pick up a template.

Indeed, it's a dick move if I ever heard one. It's obvious you weren't trying to cheat or anything.

Some of the best sportsmen have been the people that have continued to help me learn to play the game...from Day 1 when I tried shooting my soild shot Hammerhead Railgun at a Tac Squad, up to a game I play two weeks ago where I was tabled by Turn 5's beginning.

The patience and understanding of these people has helped keep me in the hobby.

Well I can remember my first game of fantasy. I was playing orcs and was facing off against beast of chaos. This was back when they had the box of magic game dont remeber what edition. Well the chaos guy decides to go second and I really didnt know what I was doing so he was helping me out some. I had Azarg the slaughter model and he told me to fly high with him so i could land behind him the next turn. So I did and low and behold he decides to fly high with his lord that was on foot. Since I didnt know the rules very good I thought it was legal cause of him playing chaos. Long story short he killed me in the air which I didnt understand how since he never rolled any dice for attacks and what not. From that game I learned never trust your opponent.

Ouch. That's low.

Yeeeeeeea. Thats a dick move if Ive ever heard of one

I've only just remembered this event although it happened last year:

I was playing an Apoc game at GW Brighton to celebrate the new IG releases, and the basis of the game was to kill as many regular IG as possible, and every guardsman you killed you got 1p off your Games Day Ticket. Anyway, I'm playing the game and I decide to indirectly fire my Basilisks over about 30" of terrain and hit this guy's Stormsword. He has a massive fit saying he should have a cover save from a Valkyrie about 18" in front of the Stormsword, claiming that the Basilisks are firing directly and would get a save from the Valk. I argue that by firing indirectly, the shots are coming from above and wouldnt hit the Valk. Eventually, this 60 year-old guy has a fit and throws a tantrum and throws his dice all across the table, shouting at the top of his voice to get attention. I still destroyed the Stormsword and the Valk using Infernus anyway.
If he was any other guy I would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but this guy had grown so arrogant because he had saves about 50p off his ticket.

I have one myself, today, that I am quite proud of.

I was at my FLGS, and was picking up a box of Sternguard, and since I was the only customer at the counter, I quickly went to grab three jars of paints (Gore Red, Tau Sept Ochre, and Chaos Black...my army colors <3 ) while the employee was ringing up my purchase. As he handed me my receipt to sign, it came up as just shy of $10. I noticed that the Sternguard was set aside with the paints, yet clearly hadn't been rung up.

Although the idea of a free box of Sternguard was tempting, I let the employee know that he had made a mistake, and proceeded to sign on a $50 receipt.

Good for you!

Although stolen miniatures are cursed miniatures anyways.

@Che-Vito: Not exactly sure if it's sprotmanship, but it was certainly a very noble thing that ya did there, mate!

Hurrah and huzzah for honesty!

I played a game this afternoon at the Hobby Centre in Chiba. My opponent, the regulars and the staff were all beyond top-drawer. A+ in every category. If only they had more space and used proper inches...

Agamemnon2 wrote:
I think "reprehensible" is an almost comically overstated term for this situation. It's not like he's cooking up meth in his basement or invading Poland. He's excercising his right, as a player, to forfeit a game. Letting people forfeit only when they're completely and utterly defeated serves no purpose other than to breed resentment in the victim. You're forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do. The fact of his not wanting to play games to the turn limit may be a problem, but it cannot be solved by such strongarm tactics.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, players who forfeit do so for perfectly sound reasons, even if they might not be apparent to their opponents. I've seen (and indeed have done) forfeits on the first turn of an MTG game, following a gross mis-play or outrageous luck of the draw. In such circumstances, the opponent has no right to gainsay that decision. The player playing the deck, or the 40k army, or what-have-you, knows what they need to win, and knows when those conditions are no longer likely to occur.

You don't have to like it. All you're required to do is sit there, take the victory, and cope. Even shaking their hand is optional. You're under no obligation to play them again, either. But what you don't get to do is tell them how to play their army.

I totally and utterly disagree with this setiment. If your going to belly up to the table, you have a social contract to play the freaking game. Running off at the first sign of losing is utterly bad sportsmenship.

There are times to forfeit a game- any orc and goblin player who's hat that turn one or two rout of 3/4 of his army from a single panic test knows the feeling, or a nasty alpha strike before you go from an IG player. But forfeiting on turn 3 as the opponent gets to finally get a chance to make his mark after you had two turns of beating on them? Yeah no.






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ph34r wrote:I agree with Timmah. If you want to forfeit, you should be able to. I would consider it rude to refuse to allow an opponent to forfeit. If they are not having fun there should no nothing keeping them in the game.

So its "fun" for you to shoot up your opponent, but as soon as your opponent starts to get back in the game or the upper hand, you quit.

Thats your defination of fun? Remind me never to play you.

I've seen enough crappy attitudes, but nothing really stands out.

Good stuff?

At my first RT, during the second round, I was playing Space Wolves vs Tau (back in third edition...) and proceeded to pound his army into the dirt. I tried to keep the game light-hearted, but it's difficult seeing every model swept from the board by round 3 and still have fun so I was starting to worry that my sportsmanship score was going to take a dive.

During my third round I got to see the view my second round opponent did as the guy's Nurgle Marines proceeded to march over my wolves like they weren't there. We kept laughing at how horrible my rolls were and how the scenario was the biggest killer. We had a blast even as I was routed without taking out a single squad (actually, I'm pretty sure he could count all the modes he lost on one hand).

Sometimes your the bug.. sometimes you're the windshield.

In the end, I didn't have to worry about my second round players as I had perfect sportsmanship scores for all three rounds and ended up taking the grand champion prize. I really wasn't that interested in playing the game much, but that RT, and all three of my opponents, made it all worth it. Would love to get back to games that were that much fun...

Che-Vito wrote:Iwhile the employee was ringing up my purchase. As he handed me my receipt to sign, it came up as just shy of $10. I noticed that the Sternguard was set aside with the paints, yet clearly hadn't been rung up.

Although the idea of a free box of Sternguard was tempting, I let the employee know that he had made a mistake, and proceeded to sign on a $50 receipt.

Dude,are you crazy ?

Farmer wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:Iwhile the employee was ringing up my purchase. As he handed me my receipt to sign, it came up as just shy of $10. I noticed that the Sternguard was set aside with the paints, yet clearly hadn't been rung up.

Although the idea of a free box of Sternguard was tempting, I let the employee know that he had made a mistake, and proceeded to sign on a $50 receipt.

Dude,are you crazy ?

I would argue that anyone that spends a large amount on toy soldiers, must be.

Valkyrie wrote:I've only just remembered this event although it happened last year:

I was playing an Apoc game at GW Brighton to celebrate the new IG releases, and the basis of the game was to kill as many regular IG as possible, and every guardsman you killed you got 1p off your Games Day Ticket. Anyway, I'm playing the game and I decide to indirectly fire my Basilisks over about 30" of terrain and hit this guy's Stormsword. He has a massive fit saying he should have a cover save from a Valkyrie about 18" in front of the Stormsword, claiming that the Basilisks are firing directly and would get a save from the Valk. I argue that by firing indirectly, the shots are coming from above and wouldnt hit the Valk. Eventually, this 60 year-old guy has a fit and throws a tantrum and throws his dice all across the table, shouting at the top of his voice to get attention. I still destroyed the Stormsword and the Valk using Infernus anyway.
If he was any other guy I would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but this guy had grown so arrogant because he had saves about 50p off his ticket.

dude thats my local store!

if you go there regularly do you rememberwhen apoc was released? that massive game was the best!

I for one never will forfeit a game for any reason. I play just for fun anyways. If I'm running out of time or I clearly wont win I just do silly ridiculous things for sheer laughs and just joke with the other player. It ends up just being a really fun game, which I think is the point of the whole thing anyways.

There are sometimes good reasons for forfeiting.

There are also sometimes bad reasons for forfeiting.

OP: I know of whom you speak. My friends and I refer to him as the fabled "Nid Kid". It must have been two winters ago, on my Tau playing friend's birthday. We were unable to go the GW store very often because of how far away we lived from it, so this was a special occasion. Our group had him, a Necron player, a Space Marines player, and myself, a Chaos player. There was an amazing board, a massive ruined temple. The four of us began a game on it, Tau and Chaos vs Space Marines and Necrons. The game was going fine, until at about turn 2, Nid Kid decided that he had to join the game. Without even asking us, he just deploys his Tyranids in the perfect place to assault. The game goes by, and Nid Kid was on the winning side. He was ecstatic and wouldn't shut up.

His models looked awful. The ones that were painted were basically done with a massive brush, with no scheme in mind but "BLUE ON THIS SIDE RED ON THIS ONE IT LOOKS GOOD".

Probably his most memorable quote was spoken when he saw my Obliterator, a metal model which I had yet to paint. He asked me, "Why'd you paint it silver?". Legendary. Truly legendary.

Sadly and thankfully, we have never seen him since because a GW store opened up very close to us about a year ago.

My first time playing 40K i got started at a "friends" house. I say "friend" because he was actually an @*$, i played as his chaos space marines and he played as tyranids, i didn't know how the whole points thing worked , he took advantage of that and gave himself 2 carnifexes , 50 gaunts and like 20 warriors when i had 2 tactical squads and a captain. He won and just started laughing at me. I refused to play again and we eventually lost touch. never much liked him in the first place...

LRValhalla... I think I might just have to put that did you paint it silver thing into my signature... its just like... wow... really?

Haven't got any bad ones but a good one i did recently. I was going to my FLGS and apon arrival a young boy of ten had bought a battleforce with money from his parents for his birthday but he had his heart set on the sterngaurd so i pick up a box and go to the till when he sees me buy them he looks like he is going to burst into tears but i present him with the sterngaurd and say "happy birthday". I walked out of the shop and he just stood there amazed.

Cheif Librarian Vaako wrote:Haven't got any bad ones but a good one i did recently. I was going to my FLGS and apon arrival a young boy of ten had bought a battleforce with money from his parents for his birthday but he had his heart set on the sterngaurd so i pick up a box and go to the till when he sees me buy them he looks like he is going to burst into tears but i present him with the sterngaurd and say "happy birthday". I walked out of the shop and he just stood there amazed.

Thats amazing... bravo! I've bought friends stuff for fun (bought one pal 2 wraiths, one a box of dire avengers), but thats cool to do it for a stranger!

Thanks Zid. We soon became friends after that and i helped him with rules and strategies and everything to do with the game.

I just recenlty started playing with the orks I own (I've had lots of time to paint, but never to game since 5th edition and the new codex). I played against this kid and his brother. First guy was pretty cool. We were both learning. Handled the rules quandries well. I realize now that there were some substantial mistakes, but we had fun, and again, learned a lot. I swept his necrons in close combat, he fazed, he was a good sport about it. My first real win actually.

Than I played his brother. Mind you, he wasn't TFG by any stretch. He was a bit surprised at how difficult it was to destroy my battlewagon, I mean, yeah, you have to roll to hit, roll high enough strength against front AV 14, than I got cover saves. I'm sweeping through pretty well, killed Pedro, slaughtered his vanguard, imobalized his LR, and am probably going to finish it off very soon. He has 1 tactical left, which I'm just about to assault. I'm controlling 1 of the 3 objectives, and he's got 1 with that last tactical squad. I've got 2 trukk mobz (one trukk destroyed) and on untouched 20 boy mob, and a maxed stormboy squad, all converging on him and the last objective. He did tell me earlier that he might have to leave before the game was over when his ride showed up. I understand that, fine. So how do we resolve the game? A face off between my warboss and his Named Chaptermaster. I humored him, knowing inside that I would have won. Well guise what, he killed the warboss, no big surprise to me because his HQ was what, twice as many points, and everyone knows that when you spend that much extra on an HQ, they get some sereous bling.
Just kind of irked me. It was one of those, "lets just do this to resolve it" knowing that it would obviously be to his advantage. I'm not sure really how to put it into words I guess. Most ork players feel it sometimes I think. When a marine gets so proud of his ++2 save, reroll to hit, reroll to wound, + a dozen other great fun abilities (I'm not an expert on thier abilities, but you know what I mean). Well thats fine and dandy, but my 80+ attacks is the way I like it. He could have said, 'Man, that was hard too deal with such an agressive army." and shook hands. Instead he had to "I'm going to ignore the whole match and everything left on the table, and let my UBER LEET SPEESE MAHREEN LEEDR DUDDE (who is dead) decide the draw against a single Warboss". Right, fine, you win.

Cheif Librarian Vaako wrote:Haven't got any bad ones but a good one i did recently. I was going to my FLGS and apon arrival a young boy of ten had bought a battleforce with money from his parents for his birthday but he had his heart set on the sterngaurd so i pick up a box and go to the till when he sees me buy them he looks like he is going to burst into tears but i present him with the sterngaurd and say "happy birthday". I walked out of the shop and he just stood there amazed.

Thats actually pretty awsome! Lets just hope he doesnt turn into a greasy cheeto fingered pick up someone elses models without their permisson, model molestor eh?

Cheif Librarian Vaako wrote:Haven't got any bad ones but a good one i did recently. I was going to my FLGS and apon arrival a young boy of ten had bought a battleforce with money from his parents for his birthday but he had his heart set on the sterngaurd so i pick up a box and go to the till when he sees me buy them he looks like he is going to burst into tears but i present him with the sterngaurd and say "happy birthday". I walked out of the shop and he just stood there amazed.

The best sportsmanship:
I started 40k when I was 10 [now 16], I lived in Richmond, Melbourne and would always hang in the store for hours at a time, just loved it there and the people I met were great.

So one day sitting in there reading the books and watching people play, the manager of the store comes and sits down next to me [at this time I had no GW stuff at all] and he asked me, would I like to start collecting, I naturally say yes. So we go through all races and stuff, and I decided on DE, but had no money, the manager then turns and says, "mate, you dont need money to play this game, just friends" and passes me a 40K 3rd edition starter set [this was when it came with DE and SMs], a beginner paint set and sits down with me building and painting the DE and SMs.

The next day, I came back with my DE and SM starter and the manager played a game with me showing me all the rules and making up stories about the game we were playing. He made it so I won. It was the best 2 days of my hobby life.

Man, that guy is nice. I heard of some poor sportsmanship in my area. Some guy was playing with his friends (for two of them it was the first time), and lied something stupid. 'My Orks have a 3+ Cover Save'.

1. They weren't in cover.
2. They were Boyz.

@Squiq_herder: That guy is ALSO very awesome.

@Tim the Biovore: WhatWhatWHAT???

Cheif Librarian Vaako wrote:...but i present him with the sterngaurd and say "happy birthday". I walked out of the shop and he just stood there amazed.

Vaako, you missed my birthday... *sniff *sniff

Aaaawwww...

...shame.

Tooting my own horn:

I got into the habit of allowing rerolls or in game do-overs when playing against people new to 40K. If I rolled a vehicle destroyed result or vaporized an important character I would do out the damage and explain what happened. Then I would go back and say the shot misses and the unit is unharmed.

I later brought his habit into friendly games; if I feel the game has taken a turn against my opponent, if I feel the lost of a unit detracts from the game from a story standpoint, or just to keep the game competitive. In one game I ended up putting something like 10 wounds on a Hive Tyrant and let the player keep him going with only 2 wounds removed. This helps keep an interesting narrative as I largely fall back on this to keep the game interesting both in terms it being challenging and persevering a narrative - I am pretty sure GWS has a similar practice to pretty up their battle reports.

Also in cases in which I find myself repeatedly winning against a particular player I have offered to take a point handicap or allow them to add additional units to their army. Something like I play 1500 and they play 1850. I recommend this practice if you find yourself winning the majority of the time as it makes the game more challenging for you, helps out your opponent, and balances games to a point where they are equally challenging for all parties.

I'm sorry if I offend you by saying this, but wht you're doing doesn't help anyting except your ego. Your opponents don't get better by having you go easy on them. If that were my tyrant, I would have removed it, because if I had not, I would have known-not thought, known-I was cheating by leaving it on the table.

Yeah, I also don't like the idea of my opponent handicapping himself for me. If we're gonna start playing that way I'd rather not play.

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:I'm sorry if I offend you by saying this, but wht you're doing doesn't help anyting except your ego. Your opponents don't get better by having you go easy on them. If that were my tyrant, I would have removed it, because if I had not, I would have known-not thought, known-I was cheating by leaving it on the table.

Friendly games - we are not training for the wargaming olympics. Games can become stagnant if a critical unit is destroyed or disabled, as for the other player, they either see their error or was just had the dice turn against them. I (and I imagine most of the people I play with) game because it is entertaining, not so we can become the best miniature tacticians we can be. If they have a new unit they are dying to field and I destroy them before they can blink I don;t see the harm in giving them a chance to use the unit within the game. They realize that the unit die and it is a mistake they can learn from even while they continue to use it.

In a game of chance were it is odds alone that determines whether or not my single dark lance takes out a land raider I see no problem with cutting my opponent a break to keep a friendly game competitive. We play because we enjoy the game not to get a win, our goal in gaming is to socialize and enjoy ourselves. I want a challenging and eventful game more than I want a win as do most of my opponents. If you are offended by the practice of handicapping then you can always reject it. But, I found the practice to benefit both parties, instead of beating a player 90% of the time I win about half my games, if it drops much farther then that we rethink the price difference.

I never had a player become offended or upset by my offering them a handicap nor have I had someone turn my offer down. After the game when I pack up and leave my concern lies in the direction of, did I have a good game, not whether I won or lost. I imagine my opponent is also more concerned with playing a competitive and entertaining game rather then getting raked over the coals. You can make the argument that I am somehow injuring my opponent, but I disagree. if anything they learn more as they continue to field the unit. I don't have my personal worth determined by whether or not my painted toys beat up your painted toys and neither do most of the people I play against. We are not trying to have anything but fun when we game.

In a game of chance were it is odds alone that determines whether or not my single dark lance takes out a land raider I see no problem with cutting my opponent a break to keep a friendly game competitive.

It isn't "odds alone", the guy could have kept his land raider out of LOS of the dark lance for instance.

Winning at 40k doesn't make you a brilliant tactician or anything, but there are some tactics involved. I don't know of anyone who just marches all their gak straight up an empty table and lets the dice take care of everything. Yeah, bad rolling can bring you down, but oh well, better luck next game right?

We play because we enjoy the game not to get a win

You can play the game to win and have fun.

I imagine my opponent is also more concerned with playing a competitive and entertaining game rather then getting raked over the coals.

And you know, this is exactly why I like conceding games when the outcome is obvious. If the game stops being fun and it turns into more of a curb stomp than anything, just call the game and start a new one. Maybe that unit you're dying to field won't get killed first turn this time and it'll play out a lot better.

Hell, if you're all about the storytelling experience then why not keep going anyway? Marines fight to the last! Maybe it doesn't quite have that triumphant Hollywood ending but it's still epic.

I don't have my personal worth determined by whether or not my painted toys beat up your painted toys

Neither do I...

We are not trying to have anything but fun when we game.

Same here, but the way you play isn't very fun for me. I prefer winning games on my own merit, not because you kept giving me breaks and handicaps.

Personally I don't really care much about the storytelling aspect, 40k isn't an RPG to me. If that's what I was after I'd play D&D. When I play 40k I want to roll dice and kill gak, and I hate being made out to look like the bad guy because I don't offer my brother the chance to put his defiler back on the table when I luck out and pop it with a railgun first turn...I'm not doing anything wrong. :\

^^
Sid has it.

@ Sidstyler
Well to each their own. We enjoy playing our way you can play towards your preference.

In my tyrant example the tyranid player had two tyrants one heavily augmented and winged and one fairly neglected walker. He broke his army into two units the wing one had winged warriors and gargoyles the walking one had the rest of the army a whole bunch of gaunts, stealers, and a carnifex.

He attempted to circle my deployment zone with his fast guys, which was a mistake considering I was playing a raider heavy dark eldar force. I sent a decoy force away from my main army and he took the bait and advanced after them with his winged guys, which took them a good distance away from actual game. The rest of my army advanced to the bulk of his force and opened up with every gun at the Tyrant and killed it twice over.

This was the second turn and the tyrant already had two wounds. I discounted my shooting at the tyrant to continue the game. I explained to my opponent that with his tyrant gone 80% of his army was now outside synapse control. My tactic would be to stall the wing guys with my decoys and would have my main force circle around his army putting dark lance shots into the carnifex while drivebying his stealers and the unbroken gaunts with my raider crew – I would also chase the fleeing gaunts off the table with my raiders while enjoying the relative security of fast moving skimmers. He could see that his chances of succeeding in the game had bottomed out.

Instead of playing a game that was now decidedly in my favor I offered to have the tyrant stay in. So instead of the game I descried we played one where my archon fought the hive tyrant in hand to hand with a massive amount of combat and raiders getting over run and blasted out of the sky. We both had fun and finished the game, I don’t remember who ended up winning just that it was a glorious slaughter.

My way was for more enjoyable for the two parties involve. You stated that you favor conceding a game something that might not be okay with all opponents– my way is a less consequential method of maintaining a friendly game. Instead of going through the bother of picking up all your models, rolling up missions and all the other hassles involving in ending a game and starting another, why not just tweak the one your playing to preserve competency? At the end of the day why do you even care how we game? This way is fun for us, you can play however you want, and on the off said chance that you find yourself gaming me and I blow out the wheels of an important vehicle and offer to reduce the effect to stun so your HQ is not stranded you can politely decline.

Grunt13, I think that's a perfectly fine way to play - you just want to see cool stuff go down, whoever comes out on top is secondary. Doesn't work for everyone though. The people I normally play with, in the situation you describe the DE player would take apart the tyranids and feel damn good about it! Then we'd have a little back-and-forth about where the tyranid player went wrong, and he wouldn't make the same mistake again. We play the game as a match against each other - obviously luck plays a big part, but the winner does get bragging rights and we play each game down to the wire.

Different strokes for different folks, I don't think there's a 'right' and 'wrong' way. But I would not take a points handicap on a game. All the variables that cause your opponent's poor perfomance (generalship, army list, terrain set-up, knowledge of the rules) are within his power to change, except for the dice rolls, which should even out in the long run. If you allow him to play at a handicap, he will never learn how to beat you on equal terms. Even if I lost to a friend 20 times running, I would keep trying new tactics/forces until I could beat him on equal terms.

My last game wasn't the best sportsmanship. I'm in my third or fourth month of the hobby, with 1 win and 20 losses. So in the last game, I played against DE for the first time, and I was excited to try a new foe. First turn I do something really stupid and risky- ram the Raider on the objective I needed with my Wave Serpent. So the rolls are horrible- It goes far enough for an S10 hit, Vehicle Wrecks itself, and Crew Stunned the Raider (rolled a one, but +1 for open topped). Then half the Avengers inside die with the wrecked transport (I thought that only happened on a Vehicle Exploded!) It's at that point that I roll the wraithbone to see the future- I'm screwed. It goes downhill from there. I lose the rest of the Avengers to a Talos, fail to stop the Jetbike rush at my Guardians (who were standing in front of the Rangers with the objective) lose my Wraithlord to Dark Lances, my Warp Spiders almost take out the squad holding his objective till the Talos chases them off and kills them, and it's a curbstomp. After every failure I slump back and moan, hitting the wall pretty hard. I offer to concede and start up a new match, but this guy tells me to ride it out, three times. I go along with it, but I'm really screwed. Another hope spot- My war walker's not stunned this turn, and if I fire a plasma missile at those last two warriors I can clear him off the objective and at least tie. Zogging BS3 makes me miss both shots. The Archon, a hero character (that Disembowler guy) and their Incubi hit my Rangers despite my throwing the Farseer and her Warlocks at them (desperately). I whined quite alot about it and finally concede at the bottom of turn 5, almost tabled.

My friend's worse though. Every time I do my post-loss research I find out he cheated. I'll walk into a shop like, "You guys know how to beat my friend's Death Guard Terminators with Lightning Claws and Iron Halos and a Chaplain?" And they start laughing because everything except the chaplain is illegal for Death Guard. Before that I'd sicced my whole army on his Mephiston and he forgot you can't take Feel No Pain from armor piercing attacks. So he eats 50+ shots and rapes my whole force alone. Before that he declared that since my Farseer had used her powers on the Terminator squad behind another terminator squad, the rest of the Warlocks couldn't shoot at the same squad because "the guys in front are wearing armor as thick as a tank" never mind that 2+ saves don't make you a vehicle, and that units in the way give you a cover save, not block LOS. Before that he thought you could assault again on a consolidate move, so he kills half my force in one Assault phase (with Mephy again.) And when I called him out, codex/rulebook in hand he told me "you don't play BA, stick to your eldar."

Masaki-kun wrote:"You guys know how to beat my friend's Death Guard Terminators with Lightning Claws and Iron Halos and a Chaplain?" And they start laughing because everything except the chaplain is illegal for Death Guard.

If it's Death Guard of C:CSM, everything but LCs are illegal.

Chaplains for CSM:

Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

@Sinister brain: Oh my...Was the Chimera okay ?

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

@Sinister brain: Oh my...Was the Chimera okay ?

/thread

Wow, actually drawing blood on one's opponent... WTF?

Didn't half hurt.

Gornall wrote:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

@Sinister brain: Oh my...Was the Chimera okay ?

/thread

I think we need a jaw-drop Orkmoticon....physically assaulting one's opponent is just so far over the line that I can't even begin to....I hope that this individual was arrested or at least permabanned!
Gornall has the right idea.

twistinthunder wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:I've only just remembered this event although it happened last year:

I was playing an Apoc game at GW Brighton to celebrate the new IG releases, and the basis of the game was to kill as many regular IG as possible, and every guardsman you killed you got 1p off your Games Day Ticket. Anyway, I'm playing the game and I decide to indirectly fire my Basilisks over about 30" of terrain and hit this guy's Stormsword. He has a massive fit saying he should have a cover save from a Valkyrie about 18" in front of the Stormsword, claiming that the Basilisks are firing directly and would get a save from the Valk. I argue that by firing indirectly, the shots are coming from above and wouldnt hit the Valk. Eventually, this 60 year-old guy has a fit and throws a tantrum and throws his dice all across the table, shouting at the top of his voice to get attention. I still destroyed the Stormsword and the Valk using Infernus anyway.
If he was any other guy I would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but this guy had grown so arrogant because he had saves about 50p off his ticket.

dude thats my local store!

if you go there regularly do you rememberwhen apoc was released? that massive game was the best!

I didnt know Brighton had a GW when Apoc was released. I was still going to GW Crawley. There is an Apoc game this Friday though. You coming?


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Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

@Sinister brain: Oh my...Was the Chimera okay ?

Well the metal in the force weapon would probably mess up his system a bit, not to mention being very painful.

Well as I am still a rookie I don't have any tales of good sportmanship...

However I unfortunately have some cases of Bad Sportsmanship.

The first is I guess one of those guys. It always happens in our games. Either he conveniently forgets 5th edition rules (wtf...) or he takes advantage of my lack of knowledge on them. Whatever...but the worst was where he misheard me and claimed I was in my shooting phase, having done no movement. Me eing a mech/slogger that was pretty absurd even for a newb. But as he'd more or less tricked me into doing a night fighting test (I thought that I was doing it for movement) he claimed I couldn't go back and my movement phase was over. What army did he play? You guessed it, Tau.

The other is the biggest douchefaggotry at the store. Theres that kid who has one of every army more or less or is planning a new army or whatever. We agree to a 1000pt three way with another guy and when i lose my termies I suddenly think...something ain't right here. He has 2 tac squads, assault termies, SM captain on bike with full bike squad, dreadnought and scouts.....I ask my friend to tally up his army and hes about 400 over.

My friend being a bad sportsman himself (read: donkey-cave) keeps mocking the kid. The teary eyed kid smacks his dread and one tac squad over ("FINE THEYRE DEAD, ARE YOU HAPPY?") and looks into space shaking andalmost being consumed by rage when I proffer the suggestion he might be using an outdated codex in a friendly manner. When my friend helps me out in the kids assault phase by manouevering models correctly, the kids screams "DONT TOUCH MY MODELS" and slams his fist onto my friends hand. My friend gets a nasty bruise but the kid pretty much destroyed his bike that my friend had perhaps nudged.

Not wanting more conflict I say: Look, I'm packing up, whatever you whiny brat.

Few weeks later I found out how the dumb gak had so many armies. He'd been stealing from the store. The fething idiot had been broadcasting his desire for an anvil of doom all day. Later that day the manager checks when the AoD should be and sees its missing. Police are called. Search his bag and find it. fething dill weed. Lifebanned from all local stores.

(Also I don't know how this was double posted but whenever I go to edit that post it edits this one. Can anyone else even see the double post or is it some forum glitch?)

Valkyrie wrote:

I didnt know Brighton had a GW when Apoc was released. I was still going to GW Crawley. There is an Apoc game this Friday though. You coming?

didn't know there was one, besides those things get ridiculously hectic and theres always some kids that start moaning because the side that started first is still in the movement phase and it's still the first turn so i tend to avoid those.

twistinthunder wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

I didnt know Brighton had a GW when Apoc was released. I was still going to GW Crawley. There is an Apoc game this Friday though. You coming?

didn't know there was one, besides those things get ridiculously hectic and theres always some kids that start moaning because the side that started first is still in the movement phase and it's still the first turn so i tend to avoid those.

Yeah it does get pretty hectic with all the little kids. I'm still going to go: Infernus hasn't destroyed anything in a while so if you go I'll see you there (look for the Titan)

@Little lord Fauntleroy

I am not entirely sure about this, but I think that you had a brief moment where legally justified homicide was on the table. I hope the kid got banned from the store, or the authorities were contacted, or something of consequence.



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Nercomanda was my gateway into gaming, I started in elementary school. One of my friends convinced me to pick up a gang and he pressed me heavily towards ratskins, I haven’t even looked at the rulebooks yet. So I bought the gang box and played out a game at his house in which he slaughtered me. I slept over at his house and we painted my gang. The next day we go to our FLGS and I get placed in a running for a pick up game. My opponent is that unaware of the ratskins and does a quick review in the outlanders book. He and my friend start chuckling over how my army was armed with muskets and crossbows while they had lasguns and heavy bolters.

The storeowner took me aside and gave me Brakar, a ratskin special character, who actually possessed a heavy studder. He glued the model for me and gave me the lowdown on his abilities. All he asked in return is that I don’t paint the model for a while, as it was a promotional piece that wasn’t released yet. Well for his kindness he received a loyal customer for many years.

This thread makes me want to cry.
And (occasionally) laugh.

We set up a 15k point per side apocalypse battle. And on turn one my opponent loses his chapter masters because they roll bad on the deep strike table. He the starts to put his miniatures away. I set up for 1 hour imperials and he just quits on the first move. And they ask why I play least every day.

1 hour deployment? Wow I can't see you winning the bid to go first very often

I'm not hugely familiar with apocalypse rules. I take it you're able to deepstrike on turn 1...

Ridcully wrote:1 hour deployment? Wow I can't see you winning the bid to go first very often

I'm not hugely familiar with apocalypse rules. I take it you're able to deepstrike on turn 1...

Not as I recall... still normal Deep Strike rules... but it was a Chapter Master so maybe it was the drop pod assault special rule thing

Very true.

There is a Strategic Asset in the apocalypse book that lets you bring 1/2 of your reserves on turn 1, and the rest on turn 2. Careful planning, I think is the name.

There are a few data sheets that grant that ability, as well.

When I first started a while ago i would have been about i think 7, me and my brother were having a floor war, his eldar falcon grav tank was destroying my orks so well that i just stamped on it.

another bad one i have seen is a 10 yr old kid at our store " accidently" in mid game swiped a land raider off the table.
he is now banned

Reading some stuff here... especially about the fething FORCE WEAPON MUNCHER just had me shake my had and think:

no...





no....



oh no...


mworwghag!

How fortunate I was just to have dealt with the occassional, rather annoying "why do you play Empire? it sucks? you should play the same army I do*"

what's the point of that? why, honestly, why are there people who seem to think their army of choice is the only one that people should buy?

Do they WANT to be bored?







*funny, only Chaos and Lizardmen players used to say that... and boy, those armies were bad sportsmanship by default in 5th edition.

First off, wow at the sword-munching fleet-of-clippers guy.

This weekend I had a game of good sportsmanship at my FLGS. Went in and got into a random friendly game, my noobsauce SM versus my opponent's competitive Wolf list (army he had at the time). Despite the mismatch, we both had a fun game, and afterwords he goes over, briefly, things I could have done differently, and some ways to tune my list that were not "go with this cookie-cutter build."

Maybe the worsr sportsmanship I have seen so far was when I, playing Impieral Guard, had to fight against. . . guess what. . . Space Wolves!
Turn 1: he desided to keep all his in reserves, in drop pods, and I line up my few tanks with plasma sponsons across my army were I can keep a decent line of fire.
Turn 2: he prosided to drop his Lone Wolves, Long Fangs and his HQ on my flanks and blew up half my Demolishers. I turn the rest of them around and pound the gakky out of them.
Turn 3: he deepstrikes the rest of his army, thus boxing me in, did that gakky "Jaws of the Wolf" power or what even it is, I fail ALL my leadership tests, and basically half my army dies. I pound him some more with my tanks, tank shock a few units with my Chimeras to try to get out of the box, and fly my Valk over head and shoot his long fangs with the Multiple Misstle Pod, killing all of them. (some how)
Turn 4: he does it again, eliminated another 1/4 of my army and charges my tanks, wrecks 3 imobolizes the 4th. I then porceed to speed off my chimeras and Valk as fast as they could and claim 2 objectives.
Turn 5: he kills my valk with his Devistator squad and Tries, and fails to charge my veterans holding one of the objective. I use the Order First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire! on his Tactical squad that was nearby and wipe it due to luck rolling on my side, piss poor rolling on his. We roll to see if the game continues and the game ends.

I win because I controlled 2 objectives with my last 2 vet squads and a company command squad. He proccides into a Nerd-rage throws all his dice at me, comes at me with a hoppy knife and fething stabbed my arm with it, I punch him in the face once and he drops to the floor were he is pinned down by the LFGS's staff till the cops show up.

Note: I am 17 and he is 29 years old.

Edited twise because I screwed up!

I think the best sportsmanship ive seen is a guy who plays at my store he was really helping me out with my csm army list and when i kept losing he told me to le thim play a game with them so i could see how to play the list...... he beat all comers... of course this was with the old codex.. i don't use new one to little fluff for me

Cambak wrote:Maybe the worsr sportsmanship I have seen so far was when I, playing Impieral Guard, had to fight against. . . guess what. . . Space Wolves!
Turn 1: he desided to keep all his in reserves, in drop pods, and I line up my few tanks with plasma sponsons across my army were I can keep a decent line of fire.
Turn 2: he prosided to drop his Lone Wolves, Long Fangs and his HQ on my flanks and blew up half my Demolishers. I turn the rest of them around and pound the gakky out of them.
Turn 3: he deepstrikes the rest of his army, thus boxing me in, did that gakky "Jaws of the Wolf" power or what even it is, I fail ALL my leadership tests, and basically half my army dies. I pound him some more with my tanks, tank shock a few units with my Chimeras to try to get out of the box, and fly my Valk over head and shoot his long fangs with the Multiple Misstle Pod, killing all of them. (some how)
Turn 4: he does it again, eliminated another 1/4 of my army and charges my tanks, wrecks 3 imobolizes the 4th. I then porceed to speed off my chimeras and Valk as fast as they could and claim 2 objectives.
Turn 5: he kills my valk with his Devistator squad and Tries, and fails to charge my veterans holding one of the objective. I use the Order First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire! on his Tactical squad that was nearby and wipe it due to luck rolling on my side, piss poor rolling on his. We roll to see if the game continues and the game ends.

I win because I controlled 2 objectives with my last 2 vet squads and a company command squad. He proccides into a Nerd-rage throws all his dice at me, comes at me with a hoppy knife and fething stabbed my arm with it, I punch him in the face once and he drops to the floor were he is pinned down by the LFGS's staff till the cops show up.

Note: I am 17 and he is 29 years old.

Edited twise because I screwed up!

Heavy weapons can't fire the turn the deepstrike, so I doubt that Turn 2 happened... unless that HQ was Logan Grimnar. Jaw of the World Wolf is an initiative test, not a leadership test. If you killed all of his Long Fangs in the third turn with your valkyrie, how did his 'Devistator' squad take it down in the fifth?

Photos of arm stabbed by 'hoppy' knife or it didn't happen.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

@Sinister brain: Oh my...Was the Chimera okay ?

I'm not sure why anyone would call you out for overacting. I mean the guy tried to cut you...and in fact succeeded! Seriously that's enough to call for some quick self-defense if not pure rage. Really I keep reading about people having models thrown at them and so on and I begin to wonder how so many of you can take it so calmly. If it were me I'd be cursing like crazy. I mean I'd curse like a sailor for having something thrown at me, and in your case cut. I mean I guess you can take their intent to account, but seriously though...I don't think they full understand the reprecussions for their actions. If it were any other social scene and <insert analogy here> I'm sure he'd get at least a bit of a rougher treatment ._.

I believe anyone who has endured this kind of abuse and kept control of themself should deserve some kind of good sportsmanship award...Also to those who give models to children who are just starting out...you're awesome

@ Camback,

were charges pressed, how were they classified? (assault / agg assault / disorderly conduct / etc. )


Were emergency medical services contacted?

Were you provided a copy of the police report?

Cambak wrote:He proccides into a Nerd-rage throws all his dice at me, comes at me with a hoppy knife and fething stabbed my arm with it, I punch him in the face once and he drops to the floor were he is pinned down by the LFGS's staff till the cops show up.

Nice. Shoulda give a few kicks tho...

Cambak wrote:Maybe the worsr sportsmanship I have seen so far was when I, playing Impieral Guard, had to fight against. . . guess what. . . Space Wolves!
Turn 1: he desided to keep all his in reserves, in drop pods, and I line up my few tanks with plasma sponsons across my army were I can keep a decent line of fire.
Turn 2: he prosided to drop his Lone Wolves, Long Fangs and his HQ on my flanks and blew up half my Demolishers. I turn the rest of them around and pound the gakky out of them.
Turn 3: he deepstrikes the rest of his army, thus boxing me in, did that gakky "Jaws of the Wolf" power or what even it is, I fail ALL my leadership tests, and basically half my army dies. I pound him some more with my tanks, tank shock a few units with my Chimeras to try to get out of the box, and fly my Valk over head and shoot his long fangs with the Multiple Misstle Pod, killing all of them. (some how)
Turn 4: he does it again, eliminated another 1/4 of my army and charges my tanks, wrecks 3 imobolizes the 4th. I then porceed to speed off my chimeras and Valk as fast as they could and claim 2 objectives.
Turn 5: he kills my valk with his Devistator squad and Tries, and fails to charge my veterans holding one of the objective. I use the Order First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire! on his Tactical squad that was nearby and wipe it due to luck rolling on my side, piss poor rolling on his. We roll to see if the game continues and the game ends.

I win because I controlled 2 objectives with my last 2 vet squads and a company command squad. He proccides into a Nerd-rage throws all his dice at me, comes at me with a hoppy knife and fething stabbed my arm with it, I punch him in the face once and he drops to the floor were he is pinned down by the LFGS's staff till the cops show up.

Note: I am 17 and he is 29 years old.

Edited twise because I screwed up!

Good lord the amount of rules you two got wrong is absolutely astonishing. It makes my head hurt.

Briefly

- at least half his drop pods must come down in the first turn, the rest are in reserve. That's the drop pod assault rule and he can't change that.
- lone wolves can't get drop pods unless they stole them from another unit such as a long fang pack which therefore must have been on the board or entered as a normal reserve
-unless grimnar is with them long fangs can't fire on the turn they land
-jaws of the world wolf is an initiative test not a leadership tests
- if the long fangs are dead what is this "devastator squad" you speak of. Long Fangs are Space Wolf Devastators


He is a cheat or a relative newb to the game who needs coaching in addition to a horrible sport.

I've mostly known ambivalence when it comes to sportsmanship... however, the last WFB store tournament I took part in, me, my brother and another regular were the only people older than 16 playing in the tournament (we were 18/19). After overcoming the slight disappointment of playing against total noobs at a tournament (bunch of kids no older than 14), I took care the rules were followed, commented on the army-lists before and after the battles on how it should be improved and gave tactical pointers to the little guys. Especially the two brothers who shared an Empire army, in this little civil war I kept giving advice, but still won. I recall I got most points for sportsmanship (and the least for painting-> justified, I suck at that).

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

Cambak wrote:Maybe the worsr sportsmanship I have seen so far was when I, playing Impieral Guard, had to fight against. . . guess what. . . Space Wolves!
Turn 1: he desided to keep all his in reserves, in drop pods, and I line up my few tanks with plasma sponsons across my army were I can keep a decent line of fire.
Turn 2: he prosided to drop his Lone Wolves, Long Fangs and his HQ on my flanks and blew up half my Demolishers. I turn the rest of them around and pound the gakky out of them.
Turn 3: he deepstrikes the rest of his army, thus boxing me in, did that gakky "Jaws of the Wolf" power or what even it is, I fail ALL my leadership tests, and basically half my army dies. I pound him some more with my tanks, tank shock a few units with my Chimeras to try to get out of the box, and fly my Valk over head and shoot his long fangs with the Multiple Misstle Pod, killing all of them. (some how)
Turn 4: he does it again, eliminated another 1/4 of my army and charges my tanks, wrecks 3 imobolizes the 4th. I then porceed to speed off my chimeras and Valk as fast as they could and claim 2 objectives.
Turn 5: he kills my valk with his Devistator squad and Tries, and fails to charge my veterans holding one of the objective. I use the Order First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire! on his Tactical squad that was nearby and wipe it due to luck rolling on my side, piss poor rolling on his. We roll to see if the game continues and the game ends.

I win because I controlled 2 objectives with my last 2 vet squads and a company command squad. He proccides into a Nerd-rage throws all his dice at me, comes at me with a hoppy knife and fething stabbed my arm with it, I punch him in the face once and he drops to the floor were he is pinned down by the LFGS's staff till the cops show up.

Note: I am 17 and he is 29 years old.

Edited twise because I screwed up!

Good lord the amount of rules you two got wrong is absolutely astonishing. It makes my head hurt.

Briefly

- at least half his drop pods must come down in the first turn, the rest are in reserve. That's the drop pod assault rule and he can't change that.
- lone wolves can't get drop pods unless they stole them from another unit such as a long fang pack which therefore must have been on the board or entered as a normal reserve
-unless grimnar is with them long fangs can't fire on the turn they land
-jaws of the world wolf is an initiative test not a leadership tests
- if the long fangs are dead what is this "devastator squad" you speak of. Long Fangs are Space Wolf Devastators


He is a cheat or a relative newb to the game who needs coaching in addition to a horrible sport.

I'd personally be a little more worried that he came after me with a knife than that he cheated.

I'm absolutely stunned by the accounts of physical assault and vandalism in this thread. As I commented way back, the only damage I've seen personally is through a member of the public handling stuff in ignorance, not through a deliberate attempt to damage. What's most frightening, is that's isn't not just immature kids as many would probably assume, but grown adults. I've honestly never come across this sort of thing in scale modelling, though I've met a few oddballs at SF conventions. But none would show deliberate malice towards a fellow enthusiast.

I play the Cyanide Online Blood Bowl in UKBBL. In about my third game of the season, I played a guy who was using dwarves. I had been a VERY last minute addition, so I had super-rushed my team-buying and accidentally missed buying any re-rolls.

For that reason, I played ultraconservatively. I played a layered defense, rolling back in front of the slowing moving dwarves. I probably rolled about 6 dice in my first half and about double that in the second half. Even those dice I rolled were, without exception, stacked in my favour. On the last turn I failed a 3+ catch roll to win 3-0, and had to settle for 2-0.

The guy was making snotty comments on the forums for quite a while afterwards about how I was the flukiest guy ever. Hardly compares to other stories here though.

Good news is, every other guy there has been a real good sport.

One guy and I had been having a really close game. He had managed to get the win sewn up one or two turns before the end. I fouled one of his players, badly hurting him as the very last thing I did. He was quite angry, saying it was bad sportsmanship. I explained I only did it to get more Star Player Points. When he told me you don't get SPPs for injuries from fouls I felt really bad. I apologised to him then, and again in the foyer afterwards, then again in public on the forums and again by PM. I think he accepted it was an innocent mistake and luckily I did not give his player a long-term injury, but I still felt bad.

Well this one ain't all that bad, but at the time it was pretty irritating...

I recently moved, and have been checking out the new flgs that lies about a mile from my new place. I stopped in for their 40k league night and was paired up with a chaos marine player.

The first thing he asked was whether I would mind if he "proxied a bunch of things." I told him that as long as he was clear about what was what, I didn't mind. I then proceded to explain what each of my converted models represented (see sig-link for details). He then deploys four different rhinos, with obvious Big Four markings.

I point to the pink-and-black number and ask, "noise marines?"

"No."

"Okay, what's in it?"

"Stuff."

"What stuff?"

"I don't have to tell you."

"Okay... whatever, dude."

Note that this wasn't an "official" league game (since I can't commit to playing every week), so he had absolutely nothing to lose. At this point, my brain performs a Find/Replace function on any instances of his actual name, and swaps in, "douchebag."

That must have been a houserule, because declaring what is in what vehicle is a rule on p92. One of two things you should "always do".

Ridcully wrote:That must have been a houserule, because declaring what is in what vehicle is a rule on p92. One of two things you should "always do".

Oh, I know. I just didn't want to get in a rules debate before my figs were even on the table.

CatPeeler wrote:

Ridcully wrote:That must have been a houserule, because declaring what is in what vehicle is a rule on p92. One of two things you should "always do".

Oh, I know. I just didn't want to get in a rules debate before my figs were even on the table.

I'd personally try to incur the wrath of Noobhammer before placing my precious miniatures on the table, thankyouverymuch.

Most of these offenders would have been very sore if I was most of you. Well Done!

Howard A Treesong wrote:I'm absolutely stunned by the accounts of physical assault and vandalism in this thread. As I commented way back, the only damage I've seen personally is through a member of the public handling stuff in ignorance, not through a deliberate attempt to damage. What's most frightening, is that's isn't not just immature kids as many would probably assume, but grown adults. I've honestly never come across this sort of thing in scale modelling, though I've met a few oddballs at SF conventions. But none would show deliberate malice towards a fellow enthusiast.

Me either. I'm thinking the worse accounts (those involving actual physical assault) are made up in the heads of some of our younger posters...

Fifty wrote:I play the Cyanide Online Blood Bowl in UKBBL. In about my third game of the season, I played a guy who was using dwarves. I had been a VERY last minute addition, so I had super-rushed my team-buying and accidentally missed buying any re-rolls.

For that reason, I played ultraconservatively. I played a layered defense, rolling back in front of the slowing moving dwarves. I probably rolled about 6 dice in my first half and about double that in the second half. Even those dice I rolled were, without exception, stacked in my favour. On the last turn I failed a 3+ catch roll to win 3-0, and had to settle for 2-0.

The guy was making snotty comments on the forums for quite a while afterwards about how I was the flukiest guy ever. Hardly compares to other stories here though.

Good news is, every other guy there has been a real good sport.

One guy and I had been having a really close game. He had managed to get the win sewn up one or two turns before the end. I fouled one of his players, badly hurting him as the very last thing I did. He was quite angry, saying it was bad sportsmanship. I explained I only did it to get more Star Player Points. When he told me you don't get SPPs for injuries from fouls I felt really bad. I apologised to him then, and again in the foyer afterwards, then again in public on the forums and again by PM. I think he accepted it was an innocent mistake and luckily I did not give his player a long-term injury, but I still felt bad.

Ouch. Kudos for the apologies though, hope the guy wasn't too miffed

I had a weird game at a local league recently where my opponent was doing the old trick of 'hold the ball near the endzone and wait till the end of the half before scoring' :( I had quite a few players stunned/ko'd and was basically unable to get anywhere near the ball. So i started fouling his players After a couple of lucky turns he has 3 players dead/injured and starts calling me a bad sport! I tell him that he is timewasting and that i will keep trying to cripple his players until he scores. As his DE were now down to only 9 players, he scores next turn and we get the game moving again; it wasn't very friendly (we drew 1-1) but i don't see, given his tactics, how he could be brazen enough to call me a bad sport.

This guy was spitting on the floor during our game. It's disrespectful in so many ways.

i just play an IG player whos plan in the torny was to take 1hour long turns in a timed torny of 2 and half hour a 1500pts game. i gave him 0 out of 10 for sportsmanship he gave me -3 sportsmanship the TO hit him with a nerf stick. like a real stick.

yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:i just play an IG player whos plan in the torny was to take 1hour long turns in a timed torny of 2 and half hour a 1500pts game. i gave him 0 out of 10 for sportsmanship he gave me -3 sportsmanship the TO hit him with a nerf stick. like a real stick.

Thats funny and lame at the same time.

carmachu wrote:

ph34r wrote:I agree with Timmah. If you want to forfeit, you should be able to. I would consider it rude to refuse to allow an opponent to forfeit. If they are not having fun there should no nothing keeping them in the game.

So its "fun" for you to shoot up your opponent, but as soon as your opponent starts to get back in the game or the upper hand, you quit.

Thats your defination of fun? Remind me never to play you.

You would not play against me... because I would not try to bully my opponent into playing a game that they were not having fun in? It doesn't matter why they want to quit, if they want to forfeit, fine.
If they're being a douche about it (shooty army vs assault, forfeit when they get close) just don't play them again. You have no right to force someone to play.
Maybe you should read over your post again. It makes you seem the real douche here.


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yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:i just play an IG player whos plan in the torny was to take 1hour long turns in a timed torny of 2 and half hour a 1500pts game. i gave him 0 out of 10 for sportsmanship he gave me -3 sportsmanship the TO hit him with a nerf stick. like a real stick.

That's awesome. And horrible.

This entire thread is the reason I never play in a store or go to tournaments. Too many gamers have very dodgy personalities for my tastes. I choose to play with friends, not strangers. And friendship is always more important than the game. I just find such bizarre, rude and downright anti-social behaviour as that described on this thread completely wierd and want to steer clear of dealing with such people.

My few forays into gaming in stores and my one tournament confirmed every bad stereotype I had of gamers as a group. The preponderance of smelly, rude, overweight, maladjusted and just downright immature freaks in this hobby is upsetting, and not something I choose to expose myself to in the name of something I do for fun.

Osbad wrote:This entire thread is the reason I never play in a store or go to tournaments. Too many gamers have very dodgy personalities for my tastes. I choose to play with friends, not strangers. And friendship is always more important than the game. I just find such bizarre, rude and downright anti-social behaviour as that described on this thread completely wierd and want to steer clear of dealing with such people.

My few forays into gaming in stores and my one tournament confirmed every bad stereotype I had of gamers as a group. The preponderance of smelly, rude, overweight, maladjusted and just downright immature freaks in this hobby is upsetting, and not something I choose to expose myself to in the name of something I do for fun.

I think it's a given that people in this hobby are more likely to have recessive social genes. There are some great gamers out there though, don't let a few bad experiences put you off at least meeting people, after all I'm sure your friends were strangers once?

When i moved to Chester i knew no-one, i had only just got back into the hobby and spent my first few times at the local GW painting quietly in the corner. Eventually i met a couple of people that didn't rub me up the wrong way and started gaming with them..... Six months later, eight of us went to the BloodBowl GT together in Nottingham and had a wicked time! Sure there are a few morons at the local store, but i avoid them

ph34r wrote:

carmachu wrote:

ph34r wrote:I agree with Timmah. If you want to forfeit, you should be able to. I would consider it rude to refuse to allow an opponent to forfeit. If they are not having fun there should no nothing keeping them in the game.

So its "fun" for you to shoot up your opponent, but as soon as your opponent starts to get back in the game or the upper hand, you quit.

Thats your defination of fun? Remind me never to play you.

You would not play against me... because I would not try to bully my opponent into playing a game that they were not having fun in? It doesn't matter why they want to quit, if they want to forfeit, fine.
If they're being a douche about it (shooty army vs assault, forfeit when they get close) just don't play them again. You have no right to force someone to play.
Maybe you should read over your post again. It makes you seem the real douche here.


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yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:i just play an IG player whos plan in the torny was to take 1hour long turns in a timed torny of 2 and half hour a 1500pts game. i gave him 0 out of 10 for sportsmanship he gave me -3 sportsmanship the TO hit him with a nerf stick. like a real stick.

That's awesome. And horrible.

If I want to forfeit, I let my opponent finish their turn first, so they can reap some of the benefit/carnage of their hard work.
If it is me, I could care less really.

If a game is clearly over, I'd rather not waste my time or my opponents.

Che-Vito wrote:If I want to forfeit, I let my opponent finish their turn first, so they can reap some of the benefit/carnage of their hard work.
If it is me, I could care less really.

If a game is clearly over, I'd rather not waste my time or my opponents.

That seems reasonable. If I forfeit, I usually do so on my own turn. However there are some times like "okay, I'm probably going to lose unless I pull off a miracle here *rolls dice, entire army does nothing* okay, good game".

J.Black... wicked threadromancer?

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it were not for those pesky kids!

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:J.Black... wicked threadromancer?

I think if it gets to the next page before anyone notices you get a pass.

well, its not like this thread is time-sensitive or anything. Its a universal thread that is as relevant now as when it was originally posted...

I mean if it was a thread about a list for an upcomming tournament, yea, necroing is bad... but whatever, this isn't an offense i'd get my panties in a bunch for, were I a mod

Ah yes, I thought I had read many of theses posts before...
But anyway, main premise of the thread is preserved, it's fairly timeless, I don't see any major problems here.

Man, you want to talk about bad sportsmanship examples. One time I tried to talk to this guy about getting a game going, and he told me that I couldn't take inducted guard in my DH army anymore because of the fact that the PDF didn't have the rules for them in it. Like they were overpowered or something!


/ducks

Long long ago, in the dark days of second ed I played in my first tournament at a local store. Infiltrating troops were much cooler and heavy weapons did a LOT of wounds. My scout squad with autocannon scored a first round Hive Tyrant kill (failed it's armor save and I rolled really well for wounds)
The Tyranid player hardly had crap for synapse creatures and the army basically fell apart.
Dude was launching his dice all over the store and throwing a temper tantrum like a 3 year old. I was a little afraid to say anything to him for fear of setting him off worse

Cambak wrote:Maybe the worsr sportsmanship I have seen so far was when I, playing Impieral Guard, had to fight against. . . guess what. . . Space Wolves!
Turn 1: he desided to keep all his in reserves, in drop pods, and I line up my few tanks with plasma sponsons across my army were I can keep a decent line of fire.
Turn 2: he prosided to drop his Lone Wolves, Long Fangs and his HQ on my flanks and blew up half my Demolishers. I turn the rest of them around and pound the gakky out of them.
Turn 3: he deepstrikes the rest of his army, thus boxing me in, did that gakky "Jaws of the Wolf" power or what even it is, I fail ALL my leadership tests, and basically half my army dies. I pound him some more with my tanks, tank shock a few units with my Chimeras to try to get out of the box, and fly my Valk over head and shoot his long fangs with the Multiple Misstle Pod, killing all of them. (some how)
Turn 4: he does it again, eliminated another 1/4 of my army and charges my tanks, wrecks 3 imobolizes the 4th. I then porceed to speed off my chimeras and Valk as fast as they could and claim 2 objectives.
Turn 5: he kills my valk with his Devistator squad and Tries, and fails to charge my veterans holding one of the objective. I use the Order First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire! on his Tactical squad that was nearby and wipe it due to luck rolling on my side, piss poor rolling on his. We roll to see if the game continues and the game ends.

I win because I controlled 2 objectives with my last 2 vet squads and a company command squad. He proccides into a Nerd-rage throws all his dice at me, comes at me with a hoppy knife and fething stabbed my arm with it, I punch him in the face once and he drops to the floor were he is pinned down by the LFGS's staff till the cops show up.

Note: I am 17 and he is 29 years old.

Edited twise because I screwed up!

BS, how did a knife even get near your game? Was it just there, between the army-lists and the casualities pile? Also, 17 year old vs 29 year old with a knife? Yeah, sure you punched him down with your mighty hulk fists

All these "worst of" threads always seem to attract these people


The worst experience I had was my first tournament. I had just started 40k, but I managed to massacre my first opponent. He was whiny through the entire game, and after the game, I heard him dock my sportsmanship scores to the TO, just because he lost. I got perfect sportsmanship by every other opponent. It was a pretty sucky first tournament game, but luckily the next four opponents where awesome, and I was bitten by the tournament bug.

@guys who hate on tournaments: You should really get out there and play in a couple, sure you will run into some bad apples, like you will in any social setting, but 95% of the games I've played in tournaments have been great games vs great opponents, and I've meet many new friends there. Also, it's 1-2 days packed with gaming, what's not to love?

Illumini wrote:@guys who hate on tournaments: You should really get out there and play in a couple, sure you will run into some bad apples, like you will in any social setting, but 95% of the games I've played in tournaments have been great games vs great opponents, and I've meet many new friends there. Also, it's 1-2 days packed with gaming, what's not to love?

+1
I run into more WAAC goons outside of tourneys; most of the type who really fit that bill do not attend them as it would require them to play correctly and under a TOs rules.

Illumini wrote:@guys who hate on tournaments: You should really get out there and play in a couple, sure you will run into some bad apples, like you will in any social setting, but 95% of the games I've played in tournaments have been great games vs great opponents, and I've meet many new friends there. Also, it's 1-2 days packed with gaming, what's not to love?

Seconded. I've only been to three tournaments (all of them local, nothing major like 'Ard Boyz, which I've somehow missed for two years); one Apocalypse (where my "partner" was worse than any of my opponents in terms of sportsmanship), and two 1,500 point ones (both had great opponents and good scenarios; can't complain at all about them). My only complaint about any of the tournies I've been to is my own tactical failings, and the fact that my dice decided to do nothing but roll 1's when I brought my Deathwing to the last one.

I can say the worst sport I've ever met was the aforementioned "partner" I had at a local Apoc. tournament. This guy played Marines and glorified them like they were the best things in the world. He'd say stuff like "lol Guard suck they're cowards and they die easy" while hiding all of his Marines in buildings that somehow, I never, by his estimation, had line of sight to (even though I was getting shot at through them). He always scattered on target and never let me see his dice when he rolled anything. And the last game we played (I was still learning, only knew the old Guard 'dex at the time, and knew nothing about the Marine one), he proceeded to wipe me...after bringing in an extra 2000 points worth of stuff. I knew something was up when he had as many Marines on the table as I did Guardsmen at 1,500, never mind the Termies and Land Raiders. And he complained that I never left cover...well, I ran cameleoline Guard back in the day, so, no way I'm leaving cover!

And he used soda can drop pods while insisting that I had to remain WYSIWYG. I let all of this slide, knowing that he was leaving our FLGS and probably wasn't coming back.

Not a specific thing in general....

However, I absolutely hate list tailoring... If you know your opponent ahead of time tailoring a list is just bad sportsmanship all around...

Im not talking a shutdown magic list or something. Im talking about someone who knows there opponent and makes there list specifically to cream that person the one time they play them.

See,i always bring my knife to my flgs,when people see it clipped to my skinny jeans,and they can see the outline of it,they are a litte bit nicer to me.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh yeah. I've also experienced extremely bad sportsmanship from people not even playing.

Like pointing out my plans, and telling my opponent how to get out of it.

Or tipping off my next opponent as to what I have in my list.

Neither are even vaguely acceptable when the game is between two people of roughly equal skill. Yet both seem to happen in every game I play.

I hate when people do this.
I have one to add, I hate when your opponent starts losing and starts to ignore the game and walk away from the table constantly.