i think it Canis wolfborn

£25 for a single model

over priced or what

any other ideas

Azhag the Slaughterer (of your wallet).

Realm of Battle gameboard surely!

Flashman wrote:Realm of Battle gameboard surely!

Does that count as a model?

I think Azhag might win this pretty easily.

well any thing made by games workshop or FW


how much i azagh??

Kate Moss.

Mattlov wrote:

Flashman wrote:Realm of Battle gameboard surely!

Does that count as a model?

I think Azhag might win this pretty easily.

Yes, it's scenery, so there

Empire Greatswords?

greatswords / thunder fire cannon / greater deamon models (as these things are ancient and the only one that looks nice is the lord of change)

Given how many you need and how poorly set up the sprues are (no heavy weapons, no Sergeant upgrades, two missing special weapons) I'd say Imperial Guardsmen.

Goldswords will only sting you once.

realm of battle board

Either Azhag, or the Metal Venerable Dreadnought.

How about the forgeworld imperial guard cadian upgrades, more than the guardsmen you are upgrading by a fair margin, less stuff than the kit you're upgrading and you have to do it over and over, for every squad, when you have three platoons....the black templary upgrade fall into this category

those vampire count horsemen which cost £50 for 5?

Any of the warjacks . . . oh wait . . .

(Seriously, amidst all the complaints about GW's prices no one seems to mind the raping perpetuated by PP???)

How about anything that's been re-comissioned or re-issued in the last 9 months? Seriously.

Steam tank became plastic and the price when up.
Azhag the Slaughter, has anyone seen anyone buy it.
Realm of battle. Cool idea, but really high cost.
"Goldswords" excellent opportunity to practice unit fillers.
All these new F'd up prices?? Why is the magic number now $57.75 in the USA?
The freaking $700+ of scenary? WTF? USE RAILROAD BUILDINGS AND HIT THEM WITH A HAMMER TO MAKE THEM RUINS.

I've been re-thinking dwarves, because I have the metal troll slayers and ironbreakers and most of the warmachines... and somehow their infantry looks like a bargain... I love the hobby, but it will hit a point where people legitimately are interested but say "a playstation or xbox will save me $500"

Manchu wrote:Any of the warjacks . . . oh wait . . .

(Seriously, amidst all the complaints about GW's prices no one seems to mind the raping perpetuated by PP???)

Because there isn't as much, really. Something the size of a metal Dreadnought costs about the same as GW's old metal dreadnoughts? How dare they!

All wrong

The Necron Pariahs and Immortals are clear the most over-priced miniatures in the GW line.

Really, over 120 dollars for a unit made of old sculpts. Really?

They're plastics are reasonably priced, though. (just look how much a WWII model kit costs)

Platuan4th wrote:

Manchu wrote:Any of the warjacks . . . oh wait . . .

(Seriously, amidst all the complaints about GW's prices no one seems to mind the raping perpetuated by PP???)

Because there isn't as much, really. Something the size of a metal Dreadnought costs about the same as GW's old metal dreadnoughts? How dare they!

Being flippant can't save you from the facts . . .



10 models/$42.99



10 models/$30.00

Which Eldar can you more easily afford?

I think there is a lot of pointless moaning about prices, but I have to agree that the prices for the Greatswords and Steam Tank are quite astonishing. The Greatswords (10 very nicely detailed but relatively small models) cost nearly twice as much as the Ork Nobz (5 big models with loads of extras - and much more useful in an Ork list than Greatswords are in the Empire list). And the Steam Tank is dwarfed by the Land Raider Crusader, but costs the same. I know it's not comparing like with like, but you have to wonder what the rationale was. My theory is they decided to make the Empire an all-plastic army, like the Marines, to signpost how they intend to eventually do all the armies. But they knew that the Greatswords and Steam Tank wouldn't sell in huge numbers, so they bumped up their prices to cover the production costs.

Maybe their $700 fort set. I mean $700! Come on!

its 700 due to all of that stuff you get..

Manchu wrote:Any of the warjacks . . . oh wait . . .

(Seriously, amidst all the complaints about GW's prices no one seems to mind the raping perpetuated by PP???)

PP uses lube by telling you upfront that they're going to rape you, whereas GW doesn't...
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Belphegor wrote:The Necron Pariahs and Immortals are clear the most over-priced miniatures in the GW line.

You're buying the classic Immortals?

Ew.

@Manchu-

I don't play PP games, but don't those first elven dudes cost a lot more (in points) than the Dire Avengers? Just from what I know, WM/Hordes is more skirmish based than army based so those 10 guys can do a lot more.

Just wondering if I'm right about that.

A FW Titan - some of them will run you well over $1000.

I would also bid for the old 13th Company Wulfen - 5 models for $50 Canadian!!!

I would agree that the most expensive model would have to be one of the titans, but they're expensive because you get a lot of stuff in them. Not £700 worth of stuff but still a lot.

I would say the most overpriced items are the convertion kits as they cost a lot for very little items. If you look at the amount of the kits you would need for an army the cost would be huge.

Steam Tank - same price as a Land Raider, about one third the size and material.

Vladsimpaler wrote:@Manchu-

I don't play PP games, but don't those first elven dudes cost a lot more (in points) than the Dire Avengers? Just from what I know, WM/Hordes is more skirmish based than army based so those 10 guys can do a lot more.

Under the latest WM2 rules, those Elves should be way less than DA - a Heavy Warjack is 6 to 10 pts under WM2, and a standard skirmish is 15 pts per side.

PP's models work out at $4.30 for a lead model while GW's Dire Avengers work out at $3 for a plastic model. Lead costs a lot more than plastic for production per unit. It therefore works out at slightly better value.....Although I do tend to look at other manufacturers before both these days!

Not the most expensive, but I damn near choked when my buddy was trying to convince me to start Warhammer 40k and I saw a box of 5 terminators at the FLGS for $50.

Very nearly killed the idea of starting on the spot.

Thank god for E-Bay - the prices on used stuff you can get are pretty much on the mark for what I think this stuff should be selling for new.

Belphegor wrote:All wrong

The Necron Pariahs and Immortals are clear the most over-priced miniatures in the GW line.

Really, over 120 dollars for a unit made of old sculpts. Really?

They're plastics are reasonably priced, though. (just look how much a WWII model kit costs)

Try buying a full unit of Tyranid Gargoyles.

More than $340 for a Fast Attack choice that die to ANYTHING looking sternly at them.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the FW Bunker that's not actually for sale, but is still listed on the webpage with the texa$ price tag.

BFG kroot warsphere: $66.

Manchu wrote:
Being flippant can't save you from the facts . . .



10 models/$42.99



10 models/$30.00

Which Eldar can you more easily afford?

For one thing, Houseguard Riflemen are metal, whilst DA are plastics. Nice Cherry Picking. If you want to compare PP prices to GW prices, unit for unit, go for like materials, such as Exemplar Bastions(5 Plastic Models) for $44.99 vs Terminators(5 Plastic Models) for $50.

TheFirstBorn wrote:its 700 due to all of that stuff you get..

It's 748.50... because thats exactly what it costs to buy it all separately (assuming you use 2 Imperial Strongpoint kits, which are still available direct, rather than buying the Bastions/Defense Lines separately).

The Realm of Battle "bundles" don't offer a single dime of savings over buying the board itself and everything else separately.

Meganobs are expensive. About $10 - 12 each, so for a full unit of 10, you are spending up to $120 before tax.

And yes, I paid it (over 2 years).

The prices here in Japan are extortionately high. With the exchange rate, a battleforce box, or battalion box for that matter is $136 US, $143 CAD, 83GBP. The Games Day mini is $34 US before tax
Last month, when the rates were different it was a lot higher. It is cheaper to buy from the UK discount stores and have it shipped here. Waiting 6 weeks kind of blows, but $40 difference is a lot over time.

Empire Greatswords Price: £24.45 This box set contains 10 multi-part plastic Empire Greatswords

JohnHwangDD wrote:Under the latest WM2 rules, those Elves should be way less than DA - a Heavy Warjack is 6 to 10 pts under WM2, and a standard skirmish is 15 pts per side.

Those Riflemen come in at eight points for the ten of them.

Solorg wrote:Meganobs are expensive. About $10 - 12 each, so for a full unit of 10, you are spending up to $120 before tax.

And yes, I paid it (over 2 years).

But at least that unit has a big points cost - $120 for about 500 points? Much better than the aforementioned Tyranid gargoyles. Nicer models too.

Here I am defending GW prices. That's how I know I'm in too deep

It has to be the empire greatswords. I was shocked and stunned when i went to the FLGS to buy some of these and saw the price. I expected them to be around $50AU, but as much as i thought they looked great i couldnt get em. 10 plastic minis for $75AU... madness! I dont think there is any other comparable GW product that costs this much. I was totally blindsided by that price-tag. K-POW!!!

Baneblade. $90 for a plastic tank. ONE PLASTIC TANK!!!

Skaven slaves!

At $15 for two it get real expensive when they are 2 points each.

George Spiggott wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Under the latest WM2 rules, those Elves should be way less than DA - a Heavy Warjack is 6 to 10 pts under WM2, and a standard skirmish is 15 pts per side.

Those Riflemen come in at eight points for the ten of them.

So then you're paying 40 bucks for about half an army.

Yes you may be paying more for figure for PP but at the same time you are getting a lot more of your army.

Terminators win, hands down.

FW Hierophant. Smallest of titans and still double the price of a larger model. And the Spear of Sicarius. Like seriously WTF?

@Boss 'eadbreaka. Well, only GK Termies really.

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:Terminators win, hands down.

Not at all. You get 5, so that's like 200 points unupgraded.

For 44 dollars, you have 20 imperial Guardsman which is 100 points unupgraded.

George Spiggott wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Under the latest WM2 rules, those Elves should be way less than DA - a Heavy Warjack is 6 to 10 pts under WM2, and a standard skirmish is 15 pts per side.

Those Riflemen come in at eight points for the ten of them.

Thanks.

FWIW, 10 DA are a minimum of 120 pts.

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:Terminators win, hands down.

Ill also disagree. Yes they are pricey, but that one 5 man squad will kick the ever living piss out of pretty much anything. Ive had an opponent deepstrike them and just obliterate half an attack plan. Terminators will drop on the table and you instantly go from plan A to plan C.


The one that makes me choke is Ork bikers. 40 bucks for 3 bikers? No friggin thanks. Ill keep converting deffkoptas thank you lol

Bloodcrushers, Wraithguard, seekers of Slaanesh and Beasts of Slaanesh.

And Deff Dreads. Nasty.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Under the latest WM2 rules, those Elves should be way less than DA - a Heavy Warjack is 6 to 10 pts under WM2, and a standard skirmish is 15 pts per side.

Those Riflemen come in at eight points for the ten of them.

So then you're paying 40 bucks for about half an army.

Yes you may be paying more for figure for PP but at the same time you are getting a lot more of your army.

Except, you need to correct for WM being a much smaller game. 15 pts of WM is probably less than 500 pts of 40k?

The other thing is that, like 40k, some units are way expensive for points. If you look at an all Helljack list at 25 pts for Cryx, that's like a Caster ($12) & 5 Slayers (5x $28 = $140).

Now $28 for a GW Dread isn't bad, except that WM Jacks are smaller than Dreads -- they're like half the weight of an angry washing machine.

The thing is, Forgeworld stuff is expensive. Its that plain and simple. Most of their stuff is unique and as such there is no way to actually say it is over priced. If they are the only guys to make a Nid Biotitan, then $700 is just a lot of money. Now if someone else made a monster looking critter about the same size for only 500 bucks, then the 700 nid becomes over priced.

To which I say. Drop pods. $75 bucks for a dreadnaught specific drop pod where you can get the generic plastic one for $35.

The other thing that I think is stupidly overpriced is terminators. The model is barely bigger than a normal marine and yet they cost 3 times as much. Why?

About PP models being metal: this proves my point actually, which was that GW prices are more reasonable than PP's. GW is doing things to give a better value to their customers (no matter how hard the cynics whine), something PP has not had the ability/will to do yet (although they definitely want to move in that direction to some extent). Plus, a lot of GW's new plastic stuff more than rivals the detail of old metal stuff. This, as I've been told in other threads, is called "innovation." GW has been in the game, so to speak, for a while now and knows how to push the technology further than a relative newcomer like PP (25 years younger than GW). And before this goes totally tangential, I'm not attacking Warmachine. I'm saying that I find GW's prices more reasonable than PP's.

Jayden63 wrote:The other thing that I think is stupidly overpriced is terminators. The model is barely bigger than a normal marine and yet they cost 3 times as much. Why?

Because they sell less than 3 times as many?

I put in my bid for ogryn. I think they are up to $18 per model? That makes a cool 180 per squad. For the ONLY punchy thing the guard have. Hmm.....
The problem is, GW prices based on game value, as well as model composition. I think they've created such an arcane mix of priceing, they don't even know where they are, anymore. Also, for the record, the models for PP are priced at a more consistent level, and that is a little bit cheaper than GW. I personally think that for sculpting beauty and game value, they kick the pants off GW's prices. My current 500pt PoM Attrition list for the flashpoint cost me about $180. This consists of about 15-18 models. My current tournament list for my deathwing cost me about $650, give or take. This list consists of 38 infantry and 3 tanks. Therefore, if you look at the cost to model ratio, PP is at about 10 per, while GW is at about 15 per. (Rough averages) Even without the tanks, 40k's ratio is higher. Both of these lists are at the current standard "average" points value for competitive play. Now, I know that these ratios can be skewed a bit, based on the number of models included, etc.
However, when you look at different lists for PP, the cost ratio does not skew nearly as much as it can with the GW force. My money has more value in Warmachine, in my opinion. Also, to have a playable army, you will spend overall about 25% of what you need for a comparable tournament-ready GW force.

CATACLYSMUS wrote:I personally think that for sculpting beauty and game value, they kick the pants off GW's prices.

This is just where we disagree, especially the bolded portion.

Manchu wrote:About PP models being metal: this proves my point actually, which was that GW prices are more reasonable than PP's. GW is doing things to give a better value to their customers (no matter how hard the cynics whine), something PP has not had the ability/will to do yet (although they definitely want to move in that direction to some extent). Plus, a lot of GW's new plastic stuff more than rivals the detail of old metal stuff. This, as I've been told in other threads, is called "innovation." GW has been in the game, so to speak, for a while now and knows how to push the technology further than a relative newcomer like PP (25 years younger than GW). And before this goes totally tangential, I'm not attacking Warmachine. I'm saying that I find GW's prices more reasonable than PP's.

I must differ. As I said before, the difference is that GW is pricing their models based on game value, as well as model composition. This is why the plastic terminators cost the same as the pewter ones did a couple of years back. You also need to keep in mind that you must buy many more models in WH to play an average sized game. Otherwise, why would 5 plastic termies cost more than 10 plastic marines? or 12 fire warriors? or a damn predator tank? It ain't plastic we's a payin' fer!


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Manchu wrote:

CATACLYSMUS wrote:I personally think that for sculpting beauty and game value, they kick the pants off GW's prices.

This is just where we disagree, especially the bolded portion.

Subjective, I guess. I think that hubris and "big kid on the block" is what allows GW's prices to be what they are. I do see them trying to give good discount packages, but only at the upper end that many people would have trouble paying for in the first place.

Maybe so, I've only been passingly interested in PP's stuff recently. For example, I went down to my FLGS tonight. They've stopped carrying any GW except for 40k because GW "stabbed them in the back" (owner's words) by opening up a bunker 20 minutes away--which has been closed for a while now, btw. (Or maybe it's just because WHFB and LotR SBG/WotR don't sell nearly as well as 40k?) They have a huge collection of Warmachine/Hordes stuff in there right next to the 40k stuff. The PP stuff seems so so so much more expensive than GW's stuff at a glance. Maybe it's the smaller boxes, maybe its the (IMO) uglier more awkward looking sculpts, maybe it's the fact that PP products don't have nearly the depth of fluff but I just can't see spending what disposable income I have on that stuff rather than getting what I want for 40k. I've heard so many good things about PP in general and Warmachine in particular but honestly it seems so expensive. Even their ne Retribution "codex" sells for $35 compared to a $25 Eldar Codex. It's just not making intuitive sense to me.

It's probably that I have a GW-centric perspective.


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TBH, I'm also a little frustrated with PP because all their stuff goes out of print. And I cant even figure out what rules/books I might need to play . . . I find their website very confusing and frustrating.

Indeed, $35 for a god-damned paperback is a bit much. It's in full color and thicker than an average codex, but still, $35 for a paperback rulebook.

And the sculpts, too...GW has quite a few misses, but not on the same level as PP. I liked the art for Retribution, but I hate half the models. And the ones I do like still have those ridiculous fething codpieces, seriously, who the hell came up with that? Is it some kind of joke? Anyway, a lot of the models just don't look very good in my opinion.

The problem isn't with any individual model's price, it's with consumers not understanding that wargaming has become an obscenely expensive niche hobby across the board and no amount of whining will return us to the "glory days" on the 1980s.

Sidstyler wrote:And the sculpts, too...GW has quite a few misses, but not on the same level as PP. I liked the art for Retribution, but I hate half the models. And the ones I do like still have those ridiculous fething codpieces, seriously, who the hell came up with that? Is it some kind of joke? Anyway, a lot of the models just don't look very good in my opinion.

Completely irrelevant to a pricing discussion, as well.

I wasn't the one that brought it up.

And you don't look like a moderator, either.

it's with consumers not understanding that wargaming has become an obscenely expensive niche hobby across the board

And GW is probably the one we have to thank for that, too. The reason why wargaming in general is expensive is because we all proved that we were willing to pay GW's prices, and now everyone else wants a piece of that pie so they're being just as ridiculous with their own pricing, since they know what they can get away with.

I don't understand how a model's looks are irrelevant to a pricing discussion. I would pay more for a better looking model rather than less for an ugly one. This rather basic principle isn't really confined to the world of table top wargaming, either . . .

One doesn't need to be a meterologist to know when it's raining, either.

Sidstyler wrote:

it's with consumers not understanding that wargaming has become an obscenely expensive niche hobby across the board

And GW is probably the one we have to thank for that, too. The reason why wargaming in general is expensive is because we all proved that we were willing to pay GW's prices, and now everyone else wants a piece of that pie so they're being just as ridiculous with their own pricing, since they know what they can get away with.

Labor costs have gone up, material costs have gone up, logistics costs have gone up. It makes no sense to pin everything down on some ham-fisted Games Workshop policy. In the end it doesn't even matter. This isn't a democracy, we don't get to change the way things are by demagoguery. To buy or not is the only choice consumers have. GW is time and again accused of looking out only for the bottom line, but when you're making business, that's the only metric that matters. They don't care that people hate the price of terminators if enough people still buy terminators.

You're definitely right there. These threads, along with the more general GW/FW bashing ones, are a bit silly. I mean, this is dakka. You're here for a reason.

No I suppose not, but it's still damn annoying when people pretend to be meteorologists.

To buy or not is the only choice consumers have.

Indeed, and I'm personally saying no to $80 models.

I mean, this is dakka. You're here for a reason.

THIS IS DAKKA!

Yeah, I'm here to bitch, complain, troll and argue. Like all the other GW "haters" here and everywhere else.

Yup the only way to change it is to not buy it , or organize enough gamers maybe by getting all the clubs to come together and refuse to buy GW for 6 months or a year , you will see them come to terms .

Sidstyler wrote:Indeed, and I'm personally saying no to $80 models.

I try to do the same. The last gaming models I bought new were a box of Steelhead Halberdiers, bought in part to support a new local gaming store. I try to buy as much models used as possible, and recommend it to others. I feel somewhat hypocritical at endorsing 40k to others by playing it at the store, however.

I'm going to have to say the FW Epic Bunker. Currently priced at £97,871.35

No joke.

The space marine bike squadron, £25 for three bikes. Or just buy them on their own and it becomes £18 altogather, 7 quid isn't worth the sprue for the 3 special weapons.

Any of these suggestion bought in Australia direct..

All Corporate apologising aside...
Yes, we all moan about the prices; I started playing in '92, when the cost of a land raider was $30. Last november, I bought my most recent Land Raider for $55. YES, I paid for it. YES, I bitched about it.
I think that at this point, complaining about game pricing is a largely philosophical exercise. We do it because we can, not because we truly believe that it's going to make a difference.
And, the price of Leisure activities/products has skyrocketed across all genres.
Example 1: In 1990, I bought the MB board game 'Axis and Allies' for $25 at my local Walmart.
Last week, I saw it in my local game store for $75. Difference? Avalon Hill.
Example 2. : In 1995, I paid $4.50 to see the movie 'Braveheart'
This summer, they wanted me to pay $9.25 to see transformers.
Example 3. : First run Space Hulk, (My first GW purchase ever!!) $44.99 in 1992.
Current release of Space Hulk... you get the picture.

The great money monkeys in the sky have determined that our Leisure activities are worth more to us now, so they charge what the market will bear. If they miss the price point, then their customers (us) will vote with our wallets and do something else. Rest assured, however, that we are getting a much better value than console Game afficionados. $70 for a game that will run out of steam in about a month, that draws no artistic value from the user, and probably won't be worth handing down to your kids... I'll stick with my overpriced toy soldiers.

Llamahead wrote:PP's models work out at $4.30 for a lead model while GW's Dire Avengers work out at $3 for a plastic model. Lead costs a lot more than plastic for production per unit. It therefore works out at slightly better value.....Although I do tend to look at other manufacturers before both these days!

do they print in very large letters that they lead? if not then they're not lead because lead can lead can mess you up. not many companies use leads any more because of this.


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this thread IMO is an auto fail.

reason? it's simple you can't really compare prices for things that are made with different materials (which are probably bought from different companies, unless the company make they're own) and made in defferent ways.

for instance. GW uses a high quality plastic (predominantly)because they don't want people to complain (though people still do, due to the cost) this increases the models cost.

FORGEWORLD on the otherhand use resin which from what i heard is somewhat expensive and hard to create models with(it's why you get miscasts more frequently) this pushes their cost up alot more than GW's cost increase.

PRIVATEER PRESS use pewter (afaik) which is more resiliant than plastic but i'm sure costs alot more. add in the fact that privateer press games use alot less models then the price goes up even more.

in short you cant really compare the products from GW/FW/PP

And, the price of Leisure activities/products has skyrocketed across all genres.
Example 1: In 1990, I bought the MB board game 'Axis and Allies' for $25 at my local Walmart.
Last week, I saw it in my local game store for $75. Difference? Avalon Hill.
Example 2. : In 1995, I paid $4.50 to see the movie 'Braveheart'
This summer, they wanted me to pay $9.25 to see transformers.
Example 3. : First run Space Hulk, (My first GW purchase ever!!) $44.99 in 1992.
Current release of Space Hulk... you get the picture.

It is called inflation. In 1920, you could buy a car for what we pay for a couple of boxes of termies, does that mean that prices on cars have skyrocketed? No, wages increase every year too, not just the prices. You also get much more in the boxes from GW now than before, and the switch to lots of plastics make army-building much cheaper, I'm betting that it wasn't actually any cheaper to buy 5 metal termies than it is to buy the current ones, and now you get lots of extra bits too.

The hobby is also made cheaper by the introduction of internet trading, you don't actually have to pay GW prices for most stuff

IyandenWarhost wrote:Baneblade. $90 for a plastic tank. ONE PLASTIC TANK!!!

Walk into any more traditional model shop and you'll occassionally see smaller plastic kits for more expensive. For the amount of pieces and size of the Baneblade, I have no problem paying that price for it.

Khornholio wrote:The prices here in Japan are extortionately high. With the exchange rate, a battleforce box, or battalion box for that matter is $136 US, $143 CAD, 83GBP. The Games Day mini is $34 US before tax
Last month, when the rates were different it was a lot higher. It is cheaper to buy from the UK discount stores and have it shipped here. Waiting 6 weeks kind of blows, but $40 difference is a lot over time.

As I am moving there next year, I guess I should buy a lot of stuff before I leave.

CadianXV wrote:I'm going to have to say the FW Epic Bunker. Currently priced at £97,871.35

No joke.

Is this some sort of typo...?

dunno but i'd love a link.

I think it's got to be vampire blood knights, £60 for 5 of them and they are about £15 each on their own I think O_o

I definitely second the Blood Knights. Five models for 80,- Euros

Never ever will I consider buying that.

I know, the reason I was given by the staff at GW for the price is it's metal

Then he said they where metal because no-one used them, Then I pointed out that maybe that no one uses them because they are £60?!!?

The epic bunker is as expensive as it is because they build a real, life sized bunker, and use experimental shrink ray technology to reduce it to epic scale.

Nice theory.... now I want a shrink ray dammit!

Great Unclean One wrote:I think it's got to be vampire blood knights, £60 for 5 of them and they are about £15 each on their own I think O_o

Ahzag the slaughterer of your wallet (as someone said it on the first page) the new models metal and cost £50 for 1 model!?!

O_O I just saw the page for the model, I think he wins... probably hands down but the blood knights come a definite second!

$80 after standard 20% discount isn't a bad price for a Baneblade, Shadowsword, or Stompa.

I own 3 such models, and don't feel bad about what I paid, though I did pay a bit less than $80 on average.

TheFirstBorn wrote:those vampire count horsemen which cost £50 for 5?

Great Unclean One wrote:I think it's got to be vampire blood knights, £60 for 5 of them and they are about £15 each on their own I think O_o

I was going to nominate the high elf dragon princes... $57.75 for 5 on the GW site. It seems like a lot of the fantasy calvary are quite expensive!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat50007&prodId=prod790864

Ogryns £12 odd and 5 are needs to a squad and a bone ead's £15 i think making a £63 squad bare minimum
or the forgeworld choas upgrade stuff £20 and then you need to buy the actuall squad to upgrade another £20
(prices before VAT reduction)

Someone tell me how to make a link (Im on a mac) and Ill happily provide one!

@statu: Thanks for the verification! Good, eh?

I've got to agree with that epic bunker being the most expensive, nearly £98,000, for two

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_EPIC_40_000_TERRAIN_28.html

I thought that the Forgeworld Chaos ogryns came as a full model, not a conversion kit O_o

The FW items that are insanely priced are probably just items not ready for sale yet. They added them to the store, but instead of making you not able to buy it, they just set the price way too high.

Or they're out of production.

I would have said either canis wolfborn or the Imperial Guard Valkiery (I didn't spell it right) @ 70$ can.

Illumini wrote:

And, the price of Leisure activities/products has skyrocketed across all genres.
Example 1: In 1990, I bought the MB board game 'Axis and Allies' for $25 at my local Walmart.
Last week, I saw it in my local game store for $75. Difference? Avalon Hill.
Example 2. : In 1995, I paid $4.50 to see the movie 'Braveheart'
This summer, they wanted me to pay $9.25 to see transformers.
Example 3. : First run Space Hulk, (My first GW purchase ever!!) $44.99 in 1992.
Current release of Space Hulk... you get the picture.

It is called inflation. In 1920, you could buy a car for what we pay for a couple of boxes of termies, does that mean that prices on cars have skyrocketed? No, wages increase every year too, not just the prices. You also get much more in the boxes from GW now than before, and the switch to lots of plastics make army-building much cheaper, I'm betting that it wasn't actually any cheaper to buy 5 metal termies than it is to buy the current ones, and now you get lots of extra bits too.

The hobby is also made cheaper by the introduction of internet trading, you don't actually have to pay GW prices for most stuff

I am aware of inflation, and the value of the Dollar has not gone down 80% in the last 15 years. Some of it is calculated on the value of the dollar vs. the GBP, and we in the states have lost a bit in that area. However, were we to have experienced inflation on that scale, our economy would have completely crashed in 2000-2001. It is always a part of life, but to state it as the only reason is, IMO, an oversimplification. However, I do agree with you on the aftermarket trade. Ebay and other similar venues have saved me a penny or two, over the years.
They also contribute to the rise in cost of new product...

Sidstyler wrote:Or they're out of production.

Why not remove them? That seems insanely absurd

I've never seen a picture of the bunker except on the FW website... how big is it? $168 000 for one item is simply...


I'm convinced it is a database error or a typo, unless this is life-size

There are a lot of things that GW makes that are overpriced.

My question is - is anything worth its weight in gold yet? I remember someone saying that Epic Land Raiders were, and we joke about Goldswords and Goldvermin and the Steam Nugget, were you to weight these and compare them to gold, which would be more expensive, the gold, or the models?

Everything FW makes is overpriced. Everything.

Manchu wrote:Which Eldar can you more easily afford?

I just realised that the Retribution guys are upside-down Eldar:

Eldar - Pointy hats.
Retribution - Pointy cod-pieces.

Great Unclean One wrote:I thought that the Forgeworld Chaos ogryns came as a full model, not a conversion kit O_o

He said upgrades meaning the stuff thats like nurgle iconography/ style heads and stuff packs thats make 10 of the models and then you need the gw models so your looking at £40 for 1 squad.

Steam tank, £35 for something smaller than my fist, without the awesomeness of most overpriced models.


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HolyCause wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Or they're out of production.

Why not remove them? That seems insanely absurd

I've never seen a picture of the bunker except on the FW website... how big is it? $168 000 for one item is simply...


I'm convinced it is a database error or a typo, unless this is life-size

But ive seen one of those, pretty high on the awesomeness-o-mastat

just looked azagh £50 for one guy

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Everything FW makes is overpriced. Everything.

I'm not bitching, and I'm not going to stop building it, but my DKoK army has cost me more than my 135-man Black Templar Army with 6 Land Raiders and an upwards of 15 Rhino based vehicles (if I decide to make the Vindicators).

For me , over priced is judged on material cost : price.

I know a great looking model is more tempting than an ugly one , but its really rude to customers to price a product that way .
Same goes for judging it based on point value . ( for example termies vs grots )

What i find over priced : majority of character in blisters + new azhag the slaughterer .

Box set of 10 SoB = £23

Blister containing 1 SoB w/HeavyFlamer = £8

C'mon GW, i knew i'd have to pay through the nose for my army but that's just an oversight surely....It's not even a character, just a 12pt upgrade for a basic troop unit. Why on earth does it have to cost four times as much as a Sister from the box set?

At least we get the best vehicle kit in the range (Go Immolator!).

The LOTR plastics are usually well priced, but the metals are not so. I appreciate that GW pay a licence, but the figures are top end prices and frequently for things that are very small. A blister with a foot and mounted character is £15. Golly. I recall when they came out that individual foot figures were £5 a pop, it's too expensive to buy more than the odd couple. Last time I looked Celeborn and Galadriel with their bowl was £12. Phew, they're nice figures but hardly sculpting masterpieces, galadriel is a nice but fairly straightforward sculpt I'd have thought. Gimli sitting on a dead Uruk is now £9.80 on their site!!

Everything on GW is over price, everything. We pay premium for a hobby. It waste of money. Then I go and pay for a new mac machine, iphone, ps3 game, latest LCD Tv, ipod and see that they are not that bad.

Except the great swords, those puppies are muchos chavos out of my pocket.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

I just realised that the Retribution guys are upside-down Eldar:

Eldar - Pointy hats.
Retribution - Pointy cod-pieces.

The new Stormvermin. Just-the new Stormvermin.

Azhag the Slaughterer is actually the worst model ever. He looks a bit dorky, is not much bigger than Kroq-gar and is most likely to lose to him anyway.

Has there been typo and been fixed of Epic Bunkers, or why I see only 5.85 as the price...
On topic, Blood Knights, Greatswords, Dragon Princes and new Space Hulk. The reason I didn't buy it? I looked at the price before I clicked Order

Necromunda Spyrers. £10 a pop for a model that has been around for how long?
They aren't even very big!

Don't you get two of the spyrers in a packet though? They are pretty cool models though and they kick pretty much anything in the game

Web site says only one per blister.
If anbody knows different I would love to know.

I seem to remeber the malcadon and jakara came with 2 in eack blister when they were released (yes, i do feel old). The Orrus and Yeld were both a little bigger/had flappy wings and came as singles.

As for now... Surely GW wouldn't let you buy 2 minis for a measly £10

The reason I didn't buy any grey knights was because of the cost. The Terminators are obviously the most popular pieces and are age-old in the fluff right back to my Space Hulk days. But they are matched by being incredibly expensive, the box set means the figures work out at a bargain £7 each and individually in blisters they cost anywhere between £8 and £10. Which is frankly phenomenal for a single figure that isn't even a one-off character.

At least they are metal though, the plastic Terminators work out at £5 each in the box set. Terminators are massively popular and mass produced if in plastic, but they still can't make them cheaper than £25 for a box of just five figures? That's the annoyance of plastic, they make more and more stuff in plastic which is cheaper for them but don't pass any of that saving on to the customer. They cast in plastic because in the long run it has lower costs and it's easier to sell to children. Rarely are plastic figures actually better detailed than metal so the end result is a reduction in overall quality under the same price.

My main beef with GW pricing is that it doesn't primarily reflect the costs of production, but really of the use in the game. It seems that all the best characters and vehicles are marked up so if you want anything more than a basic army you have to be a rich kid. That's why plastic dreadnauts and terminators cost a bomb. Why else does a box of 10 Marines cost nearly double what a box for 10 Orks does when they both have about the same standard of sculpting and mass of optional parts for customisation?

because 30 orks=10 space marines... or something like that

What about the Deff dread same price as landraider.. metal model but still... 70 pt model or 240 pt model hmmmmm

I don't think points costs = $$$.

And nor should it ever.

Spyrers have always been singles. I bought the original Necro Spyrers as singles back in the day.

Ok.

Steam tank is the price of the landraider, as much sprue as which is in the SM Commander Kit.

Heck, while we're here - the SM commander kit is grossly overpriced for a model.

Wraithguard are even more expensive than Immortals, for a not so vital unit - they would have to be the stupidest unit to leave in metal.

Sidstyler wrote:Azhag the Slaughterer (of your wallet).

+1

It's a nice model, but I don't know about $82.50. Maybe seeing the model in person would change my mind, but I highly doubt it.

The price of the Balrog flattened me back when it was first released - £40?!

If company A produces the rulebook, and the models.
Then says you must use there models to play in tournements.
your not going to get competion in pricing.

Bloodthirster arn't cheap either

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't think points costs = $$$.

And nor should it ever.

I completely agree.

What if GW suddenly made a rules change and made gretchin the most powerful unit in the ork army? Would those tiny models with no options really be worth 50$+ a box?

I see plastic in a box. More plastic, more money. Thats the way it should be.






...course, I still buy the junk.

nyyman wrote:Has there been typo and been fixed of Epic Bunkers, or why I see only 5.85 as the price...

Awwww! Forge World has removed my winning entry! (anyone from dakka try to order it? )

However the truth shall live in through my sig! We must never forget!

Space Marine bikes are rather disproportionately priced. £6 for a model that's only a bit tougher than a normal marine and can move a bit further. A "Space Marine Bike Squad" is a staggering £25 for three tiny bikes! Actually they are coming into line with normal marines only because the normal marines have shot up in price. I remember when bikes were £5 each and a box of 10 Marines was £10. No wonder there were so few Ravenwing armies. Bikes have sucked since they lost their datafaxes in 3rd edition. Reduced to infantry that move a bit further. The kit is as old as the hills and could do with a new release. Worse still was the way they bulk out the original Space Marine Battle force with a load of expensive bikes when what you really needed was lots of Marines.

FreekyE wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't think points costs = $$$.

And nor should it ever.

I completely agree.

What if GW suddenly made a rules change and made gretchin the most powerful unit in the ork army? Would those tiny models with no options really be worth 50$+ a box?

I see plastic in a box. More plastic, more money. Thats the way it should be.





...course, I still buy the junk.

That's the way it SHOULD be... it isn't though. Or, rather, not entirely.

Epidemius

Azhag, terminators and War Hydra.

Trick question -


Everyhting is the most overpriced lol.

RogueMarket wrote:Trick question -

Everyhting is the most overpriced lol.

Everything IS overpriced, but only one can claim the title of MOST overpriced.

Azhag is pretty bad.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Space Marine bikes are rather disproportionately priced. £6 for a model that's only a bit tougher than a normal marine and can move a bit further. A "Space Marine Bike Squad" is a staggering £25 for three tiny bikes! Actually they are coming into line with normal marines only because the normal marines have shot up in price. I remember when bikes were £5 each and a box of 10 Marines was £10. No wonder there were so few Ravenwing armies. Bikes have sucked since they lost their datafaxes in 3rd edition. Reduced to infantry that move a bit further. The kit is as old as the hills and could do with a new release. Worse still was the way they bulk out the original Space Marine Battle force with a load of expensive bikes when what you really needed was lots of Marines.

The price of normal marines haven't shot up. I was looking over a retailer's catalog from back when the third edition Tyranids codex came out - they were advertising their "new" plastic warriors! Tactical marines were still $35, just as they are now. The rulebook was actually more expensive then too. I'll see if my FLGS will let me take that catalog for the sake of it.

To your point though, I really don't like how bikes are $15 for a model with literally no options, and not much plastic. Someone mentioned that the Space Marine Commander was a rip off for the same price, and I sincerely disagree given the crazy amount of bits in there. That's a kit I don't mind dropping 15 buckeroos for.

Brother SRM wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

The price of normal marines haven't shot up. I was looking over a retailer's catalog from back when the third edition Tyranids codex came out - they were advertising their "new" plastic warriors! Tactical marines were still $35, just as they are now. The rulebook was actually more expensive then too. I'll see if my FLGS will let me take that catalog for the sake of it.

Dude -- that is just plain wrong. I moved to this country about 7 or 8 years ago and they were $25 per box of 10. That was 3rd ed rules.