this actually has the potential to rock then. Dan's style is very... comic book like. there's alot of descriptive action, and while reading it, I always think it would be better depicted visually.
Horst wrote:this actually has the potential to rock then. Dan's style is very... comic book like. there's alot of descriptive action, and while reading it, I always think it would be better depicted visually.
Horst wrote:this actually has the potential to rock then. Dan's style is very... comic book like. there's alot of descriptive action, and while reading it, I always think it would be better depicted visually.
Deadshane1 wrote:This is a mistake, mark my words, this movie will suck.
There is NO WAY that this movie can possibly satisfy.
I wish I didn't agree with you. I'm happy that 40k is trying to go mainstream, but I think they will try to walk the line between younger audiences (PG/PG-13) versus trying to sastify an older audience and fail at both.
The rating is a concern. However, you can get away with a surprising amount in a 12a rated film the UK. Certainly Spiderman 3 was rated thus, and that has a fair amount of fisticuffs.
It will depend on the overall tone and the amount of violence.
If the whole movie is a brutal slugfest, it will get a higher rating.
It's difficult to portray the Imperium as in any way 'nice'. The core audience aren't looking for a story in which the Reasonable Marines make an armistice with the Tau in order to evacuate a planet from Tyranid invasion, or something.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:The rating is a concern. However, you can get away with a surprising amount in a 12a rated film the UK. Certainly Spiderman 3 was rated thus, and that has a fair amount of fisticuffs.
Kilkrazy wrote:It will depend on the overall tone and the amount of violence.
If the whole movie is a brutal slugfest, it will get a higher rating.
It's difficult to portray the Imperium as in any way 'nice'. The core audience aren't looking for a story in which the Reasonable Marines make an armistice with the Tau in order to evacuate a planet from Tyranid invasion, or something.
Although, if you were going that route - Ultramarines would be the one to do that. In fact, didn't they do that exact thing? Either marneus or sicarius in the new codex.
edit: if your only view of the imperium is the realm of ultramar it will look pretty aewsome - though that could make for some interesting counterpoints.
...perfect material for a pre-teen. Cannot WAIT for the bible thumpers to get ahold of this one.
Video Game industry, you may now breath a sigh of releif. If you're looking to come out with an ultra-violent game, or a game where the player gets to actually BE a terrorist rising thru the ranks killing innocents on a quest for virgins in heaven....nows the time.
Oh, wait, nevermind. I forgot. It's Space Marines 'a-la' GI Joe.
I hope this project dies before completion. When it comes out it will simply be dissapointment.
...perfect material for a pre-teen. Cannot WAIT for the bible thumpers to get ahold of this one.
Video Game industry, you may now breath a sigh of releif. If you're looking to come out with an ultra-violent game, or a game where the player gets to actually BE a terrorist rising thru the ranks killing innocents on a quest for virgins in heaven....nows the time.
Oh, wait, nevermind. I forgot. It's Space Marines 'a-la' GI Joe.
I hope this project dies before completion. When it comes out it will simply be dissapointment.
None of that would be shown likely. Expect "Humanity besieged on all sides and here comes the heroic Ultramarines in bright blue."
Oh vey. This stuff doesn't translate well to movies. I'll be interested in seeing how the visuals work out, but I'm expecting the bastard half-breed love-child of Doom and Mutant Chronicles to result. And the world ain't ready for that.
Sure, that is the case with all movies. That is why they are all done by smaller corporations put together just for the purposes of making the movie.
Add that to the fact that the vast majorities of movies are actually financed with investment capital (there are both banks and companies which specialize in this) there is really not a lot of chance of GW suffering any real loss. The movie may fail spectacularly but the actual investment on GWs part will likely be not much more than low 6 figures which is mostly used for paying fees and such - if Abnett doesn't have much screenwriting credit he will probably get scale for a movie which ends up being about 60k and then some residuals - although most of that money will be paid once fundraising has begun in earnest.
The first step in making a movie (after concept) is attaching talent - writers, directors, a "name" actor that can be taken to perspective investors. They are in the process of attaching the talent now - I for one would love to see their pitch pack.
Live action doesn't work. That's why they're doing in CG.
As for Doom and Mutant Chronicles:
Both of those had to put exposition in them due to them being a major market release. Story suffered because they had to dumb it down for those who didn't understand the Doom/Mutant Chronicles universe. They also suffered due to poor writing.
This movie is Direct to Video, meaning that they can target an audience that needs very little introduction to the universe. They've also hired an established author who understands the universe very well. I think a certain level of optimism is called for.
I'd also like to point out that the more Hollywood touches something, the more it sucks. Imagine District 9 done by the Hollywood Machine:
It would star Will Smith, the Aliens would rap, and all the "off-putting apartheid metaphors" that didn't test well in Topeka, KS would have been removed.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:The rating is a concern. However, you can get away with a surprising amount in a 12a rated film the UK. Certainly Spiderman 3 was rated thus, and that has a fair amount of fisticuffs.
....and it was crap.
What? you didn't like the musical dance number when Peter Parker was all gothed out? (way to go ruining my childhood memories Marvel!)
You are complaining about how bad the movie is BEFORE it's written! My God!
When you see some of the film, and it sucks, that's fair enough. I'll join you. But for now, does it help? I'm sure there are other things to rage against that may make sense.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:The rating is a concern. However, you can get away with a surprising amount in a 12a rated film the UK. Certainly Spiderman 3 was rated thus, and that has a fair amount of fisticuffs.
....and it was crap.
What? you didn't like the musical dance number when Peter Parker was all gothed out? (way to go ruining my childhood memories Marvel!)
He wasn't being goth, he was being emo. That's what the kids today like.
I look forward to it.
I hope it's great, as I will derive much joy from sticking this thread right back under the noses of the nay sayers who say "Nay," and I'll add in a big fat "HA!" along with it.
Somnicide wrote:Nerdgasm. It will depend on the budget for how good it is.
I disagree, plenty of movies have had billions sunk into them and they still tanked.
No, but an fx driven movie with a low budget automatically sucks no matter the writing. This will be a war movie about 8 foot tall giants in power armor. If it looks like a weekend cosplay in the park, it could have an academy award winning script and still be bad.
Both of those had to put exposition in them due to them being a major market release. Story suffered because they had to dumb it down for those who didn't understand the Doom/Mutant Chronicles universe. They also suffered due to poor writing.
This movie is Direct to Video, meaning that they can target an audience that needs very little introduction to the universe. They've also hired an established author who understands the universe very well. I think a certain level of optimism is called for.
Deadshane1 wrote:I tried to like Mutant Chronicles. I really did. I tried VERY hard....but that movie was an abortion.
This will turn out the same....or worse.
sigh. Me too. I knew it would be awful, and it was. They actually had some decent actors in it, but with a terrible cliched script and lines that would make Lucas weep. I enjoyed bits and pieces where the costumes and atmosphere gave life to the elements that made the setting cool in the first place, but in the end it was barely comprehensable, rarely interesting, and best enjoyed with the volume off.
This is where I think 40k will fail. It's drawing from the same well; trying to add interest to testosterone-filled uber warriors doesn't leave any room for pathos, in a dark, humourless world that requires an audience to learn and embrace nihilism.
So how much time to you spend establishing the universe, and will people stick around for the ride? I don't think good CGI is enough anymore to cover a bad script. So yeah, I'm pretty skeptical.
To be fair, I know very little about Dan Abnett, but I've heard so many stories from first-time script-writers who were "shocked an appalled" at how their first attempt at a movie was butchered, and how they learned so much for their second attempt. I'd really be happier if a seasoned script writer who needed to learn the universe was used. A good story that doesn't meet the long-term fans every expectation can have a second chance to get it right, but an accurate depiction of the game with no broader audience appeal is doomed. er, Doomed.
Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.
Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.
Has anybody actually seen any of those?
Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote himself with NBA trailers.
MoverFour wrote:Could be worse. You could be stuck watching Twilight.
Twilight was never cool to begin with.
I dont spend significant amounts of time playing with "Twilight" miniatures. (as fun as that would be)
Basically, unless your GF convinces you somehow to go see it, you dont have to endure that turd. It sucks, your friends say it sucks (except for the chicks who said it was good and know nothing about movies), and you KNOW it sucks and have no desire to see it.
We're all going to be forced into watching the 40k movie. It will suck, and you'll feel like a fool for hoping.
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ergotoxin wrote:
Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.
Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.
Has anybody actually seen any of those?
Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote yourself with NBA trailers.
"Award Winning"
He got a blue ribbon in 3rd grade for clay sculpting.
Not all of us are Rob Zombie clones and need gore-nography to make a film "good". And PG 13 movies can have significant violence in them:
Babylon AD Clear and Present Danger
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Drag Me to Hell
Independence Day
Quantum of Solace
Casino Royale
The Bourne Series
The Batman Reboots
Not all of those are great movies, but they illustrate the level of violence capable in a PG-13 movie, and hell, Wizards was PG, . Being that it is a "cartoon", and is unlikely to focus on any sexual matters, they'll be able to get away with a hell of a lot more.
If it ends up being the fething D&D movie, I'll eat crow. But bashing it before you see it is foolish pig-headedness.
Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.
Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.
Has anybody actually seen any of those?
Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote himself with NBA trailers.
edit: typo
Meh, most directors do commercials and music videos - the fact that he had NBA commercials is a big deal.
edit: David Fincher (director of Se7en and Fight Club) directed the current Nike Pro Combat commercial just to give you an idea of the competition for these big commercials.
Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.
Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.
Has anybody actually seen any of those?
Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote himself with NBA trailers.
edit: typo
Meh, most directors do commercials and music videos - the fact that he had NBA commercials is a big deal.
edit: David Fincher (director of Se7en and Fight Club) directed the current Nike Pro Combat commercial just to give you an idea of the competition for these big commercials.
Yeah, but he certainly gets more publicity and approval for Fight Club than for a commercial. As you said, most directors do commercials, so its not really something amazing to promote yourself with.
Not all of us are Rob Zombie clones and need gore-nography to make a film "good". And PG 13 movies can have significant violence in them:
Babylon AD Clear and Present Danger
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Drag Me to Hell
Independence Day
Quantum of Solace
Casino Royale
The Bourne Series
The Batman Reboots
Not all of those are great movies, but they illustrate the level of violence capable in a PG-13 movie, and hell, Wizards was PG, . Being that it is a "cartoon", and is unlikely to focus on any sexual matters, they'll be able to get away with a hell of a lot more.
If it ends up being the fething D&D movie, I'll eat crow. But bashing it before you see it is foolish pig-headedness.
The movies you mentioned had talented and experienced people behind them, and (mostly) great source material. The scripts were written by professional script writers. Great action movies don't need gore, as the Xmen movies showed (though I'd love to see a non-rated version where wolverine's claws actually get to disembowel some faceless minions ).
This movie could be good, that's true. But based on previous attempts with this type of core material, it's going to be an uphill battle, thus the skepticism.
Valhallan42nd wrote: But bashing it before you see it is foolish pig-headedness.
I can just as easily say that anything OTHER than bashing this movie is naive wishful thinking.
FWIW, its not that difficult to predict the outcome of these sorts of endeavors if you're familiar with movies in general.
Honestly, the outcome here is one of two choices....
Movie will be an absolute raping of the universe, will suck, be stupid and completely not satisfy.
OR
Movie will not include ENOUGH of the REAL subject matter to actually be a 40k movie. This will be due to an attempt to make the movie fit into the 70min alloted (which is in and of itself a joke considering the AMOUNT of subject matter) and/or an attempt to 'soften' the subject matter in order to attain a rating in order to target younger audiences. Hence, it will not satisfy.
Basically, the movie will not satisfy the 40k fan. My bet, is that it will SUCK in addition. A nobody director, a nobody company animating it, and no major names attached.
Now, if it was animated by Pixar with Ian Mckellan voicing an as yet unnamed Iquisitor or live action with Zack Snyder Directing, rated R for hard-core fantasy violence....then I'd be exited.
For all you people out their I have to agree that ya this probably will suck honestly. First off their has already been a live action short film for warhammer 40k that was produced many years ago and had a limited release on the 20th anniversary of Games Workshop. It was called inquisitor, and though it was cool to see live action 40k "it sounds like bolter fire...WE MUST GO BACK" it was for a better lack of a term well lame. btw that was a quote from the movie.
Did anyone see G.I. Joe: Resolute? It was an animated movie that came out alongside the recent movie. I think that Resolute is a decent benchmark for what you can get away with in an animated movie. There's blood, main characters die, and the plot isn't totally incomprehensible.
I understand the skepticism, but you guys are fething doomsayers.
We're all going to be forced into watching the 40k movie. It will suck, and you'll feel like a fool for hoping.
Incorrect I will be able to resist quite easily. Only She Who Must Be Obeyed can compel my viewing of bad movies.
Dont kid yourself Frazz. You know durn well you're going to be just as angry as the rest of us for wasting 70 min watching this movie when you could've been doing something more fun....like self mutalisation.
Kilkrazy wrote:It will depend on the overall tone and the amount of violence.
If the whole movie is a brutal slugfest, it will get a higher rating.
It's difficult to portray the Imperium as in any way 'nice'. The core audience aren't looking for a story in which the Reasonable Marines make an armistice with the Tau in order to evacuate a planet from Tyranid invasion, or something.
Although, if you were going that route - Ultramarines would be the one to do that. In fact, didn't they do that exact thing? Either marneus or sicarius in the new codex.
edit: if your only view of the imperium is the realm of ultramar it will look pretty aewsome - though that could make for some interesting counterpoints.
Yes, that's right. It was the Ultramarines who temporarily allied with the Tau.
OTOH it's Ultramarines in the thread "Why does everyone hate the Ultramarines?"
Just remember my not very complex Movie Satisfaction Enhancement Theory!
Go to your DVD collection, rental place, or local Petrol Station Bargain Basement, and pick a truly pish piece of cinematography (like Space Marines, to be Ironic).
WATCH THIS FIRST.
Then, stick the film up the spout you are desperate to not be disappointed in!
According to my theory (which worked for Watchmen) your expectations will have been thoroughly lowered that any film which follows must be an improvement.
Voila! Film Satisfaction slightly more guaranteed!
Wait, Ron had to have been good in Mutant Chronicles though... if nothing else. (I have no idea tbh not seen it, but thats normal for him.)
As to the film, I'm interested in seeing what they do with it.
I'd also love to see what GW folks think of the film, if it does end up being light and fluffy compared to the true 40K universe.
Considering they often write late teen to mature styled stuff/fiction for the game they rate for 12 and up.
I'm not holding out much hope though, just due to likely budgets.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Wait, Ron had to have been good in Mutant Chronicles though... if nothing else. (I have no idea tbh not seen it, but thats normal for him.)
Hehe, Ron plays himself, as he does in every movie. Gruff, world-weary and ready to murdalize anything that pisses him off.
John Malkovich also gets caught slumming in this movie, but wasn't he in D&D? Or was that Jeremy Irons? Whatever, I hope it covered his late tax bill or personalized condoms or something.
Brother SRM wrote:Did anyone see G.I. Joe: Resolute? It was an animated movie that came out alongside the recent movie. I think that Resolute is a decent benchmark for what you can get away with in an animated movie. There's blood, main characters die, and the plot isn't totally incomprehensible.
I understand the skepticism, but you guys are fething doomsayers.
They seemed done well enough to me, I just pray to god we don't see that used in this endeavour.
With regards to age rating : I've always thought this would be an issue, i think the best way to get round it would be to have two versions : a PG/12 version with minimum and .. and... whateveritistheyaren'tallowedtoletkidssee and a fuller (40k Uncut!) for all us old gits, with blood and bodily fluids left in.
2 versions seems to be a bit of a mountain to climb. I think it will be better with a age rating up there in the numbers. 12 seems to be best, i dont know any gamers under 12, but i wouldnt be suprised if they went up to 15, DoW is quite bloody after all, especailly the movie trailers.
Brother SRM wrote:
I understand the skepticism, but you guys are fething doomsayers.
I agree totally. However, I haven't gotten my hopes up about a movie for a while (in general) I tend to reserve any and all judgment until after I see it. In the case of this movie, I'll probably go find a copy simply because I'm curious, will they do awesome or will it suck?
Deadshane1 wrote:Every Sci-Fi movie sucks now that Star Trek just hit Blue Ray on Tuesday.
Because Star Trek was so bad it made other movies suck? Only explanation for this.
See, everyone observe...THAT is the textbook example of inept trolling.
Star Trek
Directed by JJ Made more money than any previous ST movie
Modernised while retaining TOTAL respect for everything that came before it.
Elaborate Story
Beleivable villian
surprising plot elements
Top notch FX work
Stunning Blue-Ray Adaption
w/3+hours of extras and a digital copy with "Star Trek: D.A.C." included for 360
Deadshane1 wrote:Every Sci-Fi movie sucks now that Star Trek just hit Blue Ray on Tuesday.
Because Star Trek was so bad it made other movies suck? Only explanation for this.
See, everyone observe...THAT is the textbook example of inept trolling.
Star Trek
Directed by JJ Made more money than any previous ST movie
Modernised while retaining TOTAL respect for everything that came before it.
Elaborate Story
Beleivable villian
surprising plot elements
Top notch FX work
Stunning Blue-Ray Adaption
w/3+hours of extras and a digital copy with "Star Trek: D.A.C." included for 360
Ummm, yea, it sucked, badly.
Trollfail
Im not a big ST fan AT ALL, but I absolutely agree with Deadshane on this
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw: I think Abnett could make this work. Thats a big could, but I think hes the mist reasonable choice atm.
At least we wont have to deal with the two marines brothers Multi & lazer ...
Deadshane1 wrote:Every Sci-Fi movie sucks now that Star Trek just hit Blue Ray on Tuesday.
Because Star Trek was so bad it made other movies suck? Only explanation for this.
See, everyone observe...THAT is the textbook example of inept trolling.
Star Trek
Directed by JJ Made more money than any previous ST movie
But still less than Harry Potter (crap), the Transformers movie from 2009 (crap and racist), Up (pretty funny), and the Hangover (crap).
Deadshane1 wrote:Modernised while retaining TOTAL respect for everything that came before it.
If you'd never watched anything before it.
Deadshane1 wrote:Elaborate Story
By comparison to Attack of the Clones
Deadshane1 wrote:Beleivable villian
*cough* bs *cough* An illiterate miner goes back in time? And he was very congruous with the other Romulan villains we've seen on Star Trek.
Deadshane1 wrote:surprising plot elements
As in, were they high when they though up this crap?
Deadshane1 wrote:Top notch FX work
Stunning Blue-Ray Adaption
w/3+hours of extras and a digital copy with "Star Trek: D.A.C." included for 360
All famous hallmarks of great science fiction. Like Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, and the Matrix sequels!
Deadshane1 wrote:Ummm, yea, it sucked, badly.
Trollfail
Right back at ya, big guy.
By the by, you missed:
Nonsensical plot
Unnecessary changes to the in-universe timeline
Ridiculous casting
Completely slowed "romance" between Spock and Uhura
Preposterous setup of Kirk's rise to a captaincy
Pitiful dialogue
I would love to have Tim Burton direct that thing, I think his style is pretty grimdark (his Gotham city for example).
Greets
Schepp himself
I don't think you'd want Burton messing with the 40k universe. While I love and appreciate his wicked dark style and sick humour he would inevitably cast Johnny Depp as a lead role and could you really picture him as an Ultramarine? As sexy as he is - I think that would blow the whole grimdark idea into smithereens, but it might pull in more chicks Which I guess for every dude on this site is a plus...
Also does his humor/musical numbers really fit the movie?
edit: Even if it sucks, I'll still see it - if just for the curiosity factor.
Scottywan82 wrote:
Nonsensical plot
Unnecessary changes to the in-universe timeline
Ridiculous casting
Completely slowed "romance" between Spock and Uhura
Preposterous setup of Kirk's rise to a captaincy
Pitiful dialogue
But thanks for trolling.
It has not been noted that the time line changed because of the time travel by Nero and Spock.
In the old time line it progressed as stated in the tv series and previous movies Kirk knew his father.
In the new time line Kirks' father died just after he was born so things changed.
As for casting the guys they got for young Spock McCoy and Scotty were perfect.
Now back to the topic a ultramarines movie
Edit to remove quotes
You guys that are on here completely bitching about how bad its going to suck, are hilarious. Im going to bet that this movie doesnt suck at all. I know Im going to buy a copy when its released, thats for damn sure.
And since its going to be a release to the public type deal, I hope and pray its FULL of fluffyness. Because if I have to pause the movie to explain certain things to my wife, Ill be happy.
So we finally get an official 40K movie? To quote mr. Skywalker "I have a bad feeling about this". Point A) Abnett knows the setting and can certainly write good fiction but he has no experience about films ( please correct if I am mistaken ). Point B) if the target audience is 12+ this WILL suck. Ultimately the whole 40K setting is based on dark, mature and violent themes. If you water the setting down 12+ level the film ends up being a parody.
Like Binky, I will watch it more out of curiosity than anything else. It might well only be a 1 star film, but I can give up 90 mins if only to watch the 40K universe come to life. At least with Abnett writing, it should be faithful.
It will not be the end of my life if it's rubbish. Does a bad film adaptation ruin your enjoyment of the source material? As much as I wept in frustration after seeing Attack of the Clones, I still enjoy every second of The Empire Strikes Back. Similarly, a bad 40K movie won't ruin 40K games for me.
As for certification, I think 12A is a given. You can get away with a lot of implied violence in a 12A (see the Joker's vanishing pencil trick in The Dark Knight for a perfect example) which will work pretty well for this kind of thing.
Brother SRM wrote:Did anyone see G.I. Joe: Resolute? It was an animated movie that came out alongside the recent movie. I think that Resolute is a decent benchmark for what you can get away with in an animated movie. There's blood, main characters die, and the plot isn't totally incomprehensible.
I understand the skepticism, but you guys are fething doomsayers.
Edit: At least C.S. Goto isn't writing it.
resolute was awesome, and we got to see moscow get nuked
but it would have intricate multilazers, with the subtle influence of multilazers
True, we're speculating. What makes you believe we're wrong to be skeptical? The number of bad translations of games to movies far exceeds the number of good translations, and the small amount of info we have (writer, director) doesn't add any filmmaking experience to build confidence.
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Flashman wrote: It will not be the end of my life if it's rubbish. Does a bad film adaptation ruin your enjoyment of the source material? As much as I wept in frustration after seeing Attack of the Clones, I still enjoy every second of The Empire Strikes Back. Similarly, a bad 40K movie won't ruin 40K games for me.
QFT. A bad movie won't ruin the 40k experience for me. But I'll be much happier if it doesn't suck.
What, they JUST announced it, and you guys say its an animated pg straight-to-dvd peace of poo. THY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING and I followed these guys for 6 MONTHS.
Trust me, this will be R. Everyone wants it to be R. Parents of the 40k children will let them see it. Why? ITS A 40K MOVIE! Good god.
In all honesty, I think it will be amazing. With enough violence to quench thy thirst. And we haven't even got a plot yet.
Happygrunt wrote:What, they JUST announced it, and you guys say its an animated pg straight-to-dvd peace of poo. THY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING and I followed these guys for 6 MONTHS.
Trust me, this will be R. Everyone wants it to be R. Parents of the 40k children will let them see it. Why? ITS A 40K MOVIE! Good god.
In all honesty, I think it will be amazing. With enough violence to quench thy thirst. And we haven't even got a plot yet.
Bet you a million internet pounds (acutal value 0.000000001p) that it will be a 12A.
Flashman wrote:Bet you a million internet pounds (acutal value 0.000000001p) that it will be a 12A.
I concur. There is little point in GW giving a license to do a 40K movie that has a limited target audience ( 16 or 18+ ). They want the largest possible target audience. Remember that the TT game is supposedly for ages 12+ despite the fact that the backstory is full of war, genocide, racism and other mature themes.
Happygrunt wrote:What, they JUST announced it, and you guys say its an animated pg straight-to-dvd peace of poo. THY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING and I followed these guys for 6 MONTHS.
Trust me, this will be R. Everyone wants it to be R. Parents of the 40k children will let them see it. Why? ITS A 40K MOVIE! Good god.
In all honesty, I think it will be amazing. With enough violence to quench thy thirst. And we haven't even got a plot yet.
Bet you a million internet pounds (acutal value 0.000000001p) that it will be a 12A.
If that's the corresponding USA certificate, then yes. What rating was The Dark Knight in the States?
Seriously, although I'd love to see an Aliens (which itself would probably only be a 15 these days) style 40K movie, we'll get the toned down version. It won't necessarily ruin the tone IMO. As I said earlier, you can get away with a lot in a 12A these days.
Horst wrote:this actually has the potential to rock then. Dan's style is very... comic book like. there's alot of descriptive action, and while reading it, I always think it would be better depicted visually.
His comics suck though.
Most blatantly false thing I've seen on the interwebz in a loooong time. Guardians of the Galaxy is fantastic.
Archonate wrote:I have a feeling I'm going to be very disappointed with this movie's lack of multilasers.
Don´t worry. With Abnett at the helm at least we´re getting proper Astartes in Power armour armed with holy bolters and chainswords instead of some "counts as" garbage.
Actually his comics are excellent. He took Nova and made him into one of the best characters in the Marvel universe. In addition to this his run on the series was brilliant and is one of the best books Marvel publishes today.
I dunno, if the movie is done by someone who is a decent writer, knows how to keep people interested in a plot, and is an actually fan/player of 40k, has a decent amount of budget, and isn't afraid to let it get bloody, I think it has potential.
I agree with Brother SRM, you guys are acting like little kids who look at the movie covers and say, "NOPE IT SUCKS."
With the fans GW has, it won't be an economic failure.
Expect:
Massive ads: akin to 2012 Budget in the 30+millions Cool voice actors (Robert Downey Junior Squad Commander..."Feth the Orks!") CGI on the level of 2012 realism (not the SCIENCE, god no) and based on real life actor movement ( in other words, no floating characters akin to something as cheap as WOW) Decent fluff. Heck, they remade the tricky origins of something as fluffy and nerdgasmic as Star Trek! Doom (movie with Karl Urban) style action! Bullettime bolter round dodging! PG13+ rating THE ULTIMATE SMURF EXPERIENCE: POV chainsword hacking, with innards flying. A remake of the THIS!IS!SPARTA! speech, in 40k terms
Turbo10k wrote:With the fans GW has, it won't be an economic failure.
Expect:
Massive ads: akin to 2012 Budget in the 30+millions Cool voice actors (Robert Downey Junior Squad Commander..."Feth the Orks!") CGI on the level of 2012 realism (not the SCIENCE, god no) and based on real life actor movement ( in other words, no floating characters akin to something as cheap as WOW) Decent fluff. Heck, they remade the tricky origins of something as fluffy and nerdgasmic as Star Trek! Doom (movie with Karl Urban) style action! Bullettime bolter round dodging! PG13+ rating THE ULTIMATE SMURF EXPERIENCE: POV chainsword hacking, with innards flying. A remake of the THIS!IS!SPARTA! speech, in 40k terms
Expect none of this.
Look at the company's history and it's direct to DVD CGI cartoons. Why anyone thinks that this will be anything different is kidding themselves. Don't expect to be seeing this in theatres, ever.
Also, on a personal note, I disagree with KK regarding opinion on Tim Burton directing. The last thing he's done I liked was Nightmare Before Christmas(everything past is just a Johnny Depp/Helena Bonham Carter exploitation snooze fest).
The reason Dan's presence makes me feel better-it shows that they do care about certain aspects of it. They could have just turned it over for third party development (like the blood bowl game) but they didn't.
Was it said at someplace that this movie was gonna be straight-to-dvd? With that in mind, I guess this could easily be R-rated (or equivalent) when it comes to violence and using some darker concepts from 40k universe.
That said, I don't really have high hopes for this move.
For the record Dawn of War 2 was rated as 16+ in the UK and sold rather well. I see no reason why a higher certificate movie would not sell.
The violence would not be such an issue (for certifying) being CGI and (probably) involving noticeably alien aliens. Just look at the intros for both DoW and DoW2. I think GW would have seen the positive reaction to these and decided to make a film along those lines. Think DoW2 intro x 1hr 20 mins with Chainswords and high explosive bolts to ork guts a plenty - no bad thing.
Personally I don't see how this can be anything other than a positive move. Just look at the old Epic 40k computer game back in the day, relatively poor game play even by standards of the day but bloody good fun all the same! Even a relatively poor film would move the genre on another step. And with a decent writer (YMMV) who knows the territory at will at least resemble the 40k universe.
It will only be a relatively small budget affair any way so I can not see GW spunking all thier chips on this and going out of business! I would expect the budget to be no more than £10m with most of it coming from funders rather than GW.
Re the background and the authoritarian/fascist overtones, that very much depends on what planet you are standing on at that moment. I think that the Ultramarines have been chosen as a very deliberate move to show the Imperium in a light that we would associate with. Ultramar being the shining jewel in the crown of Terra and the Ultramarines being its benevolent if slightly large rulers/benefactors. Once the treat to Ultramar is revealed then the Imperium and its bureaucracy and war machine will swing into action and the Imperium in it true light will be shown, with the SPESS MARINES to the fore HURRRR!
Whatever way you look at it this is a long way off release (is there a eta?). Plenty of time for GW/funders to pull the plug ala the previous Blood Angels CGI movie abortion.
notprop wrote:Just look at the old Epic 40k computer game back in the day, relatively poor game play even by standards of the day but bloody good fun all the same!
I don't understand your logic there. I don't remember any Epic Video Game, I do remember a horrible Space Hulk game though. But that intro to DOW was pretty cool.
Tek wrote:... the director's biggest film to date is a Budweiser Advert.
You can see Martyn Pick's biography here. I may not be familiar with this work, but he has done more; Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency
Also just noticed this; Recently he has completed a motion graphics/live action promo for U2 and is developing a feature based on his graphic novel "Siege" as well as pursuing gallery and film projects.
Anyone familiar with that comic? Here is a video with some stuff about it. I have to say this really makes me feel better than the important roles are being filled with people who have unique visions.
Dan Abnett's blog wrote:...I’ve tried to write a story that is nuts-and-bolts space marines: pure, core, simple and gutsy. It’s dark, it’s grim, it’s the future, there’s bolter mayhem all over the place, and the Galaxy’s burning....
It's not very reassuring that music video promos and TV commercial spots are the most high-visibility experience of the director. Directors with that kind of experience tend to direct films that are all mindless action, no story and they don't know how to stay on a shot longer than 3 seconds. Everything is short attention span theater in commercials and music videos and they often carry that into major motion pictures where it's definitely not a good thing.
As for the script, Dan Abnett is a fine pulp action story writer, but he's unproven as a script writer. Script writing and story writing are two very different things. Need an example? George Lucas wrote the story for Empire Strikes Back while Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan wrote the screenplay and it turned out great. For Star Wars Episodes I, II, and III Lucas wrote the stories AND the screenplays and the dialogue was terrible with hardly a memorable line in any of the three pictures.
Hi Termagant, you are new here and obviously young so I'll be kind. Typically you should read the thread before commenting on it. In this case, your question is answered in the very first post.
Also, at Dakka we encourage using capital letters and full punctuation. Doing so will make your posts easier to read and will make your stay here more enjoyable. Not doing so opens the door to all the unsavory characters here at Dakka poking fun at your expense.
BrassScorpion wrote:It's not very reassuring that music video promos and TV commercial spots are the most high-visibility experience of the director. Directors with that kind of experience tend to direct films that are all mindless action, no story and they don't know how to stay on a shot longer than 3 seconds. Everything is short attention span theater in commercials and music videos and they often carry that into major motion pictures where it's definitely not a good thing.
I don't know, the Crow was a well paced film directed by a person who's only prior experience was music videos.
Any Dan Abnett script will be modified by a film scriptwriter before they start thinking how to film it. Tons of books have been made into successful films.
Harrison Ford famously said to George Lucas, "George, you can write this gak but I sure can't speak it", about the disalogue in Star Wars.
Unfortunaly GW has caused me to become cynical in the extreme... -it will be aimed at 12 year old, no blood, no awesomeness. -it will [MOD Edit - Yes, that is going a bit too far, per the forum rules.] fiiiiiine It will not be true to the fuff and will instead be modified to appeal to a wider audience -why did it have to be smurfs, everything is...it's enough that it's about marines, I can accept that, marines rock, depite the mickey-mouse factor, but ultras...they're in every codex, rulebook, WD, video game...
but if done right it could be great, the logo looks cool, the vid game looks cool, Dan Abnett is awesome...
BrassScorpion wrote:It's not very reassuring that music video promos and TV commercial spots are the most high-visibility experience of the director. Directors with that kind of experience tend to direct films that are all mindless action, no story and they don't know how to stay on a shot longer than 3 seconds. Everything is short attention span theater in commercials and music videos and they often carry that into major motion pictures where it's definitely not a good thing.
I don't know, the Crow was a well paced film directed by a person who's only prior experience was music videos.
Kyley wrote:Unfortunaly GW has caused me to become cynical in the extreme...
-it will be aimed at 12 year old, no blood, no awesomeness.
Judging by your sig, you were probably 12 when you got into the game thanks to them targeting you ;-)
Seriously though, the movie is a long way off, why not have everyone put positive energy out there in hopes that it will somehow influence the awesomeness of this.
Deadshane:
Whine much?
Should we get you a whaaa-mbulance
Seriously though, I think the movie is gonna blow chunks. Hope Im wrong, but Ive been hoping since the last 8 price hikes that GW would stop and they havent. My 23 year involvement with the GW aspect of TTG (31 years of TTG in general - started when I was 8) is about to hit the "no more" level due to GW's pricing policy and heavy handed C&D shenanigans.
I like Abnett a ton, huge fan of his books but writing a book and then a screenplay is pretty different so it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Also.... ULTRAMARINES?! SERIOUSLY?! so many better/more fun chapters out their. Comeon, way to go so generic. IF done right ill grab it but i dunno. I hope it does well and makes them venture into the movie world a bit more but i dont wanna see them take all the fluff i love about EVERY race and see them shove it in a baby bottle and feed it back to me in a simplistic way.
**Edited because i brought up straight to DVD-release not knowing it had already been brought up**
LunaHound wrote:Im going to be hanged for saying this but....
I think it'll make even less than Dragonball evolution...
Well... Dragonball Evolution grossed $57,497,699 worldwide and cost far less than that to make, so I am sure that GW would be happy with that number ;-)
Because cinema movies are far more expensive in terms of marketing as well as having to compete with major studios for theater space. You also have to have more name draws on a theatrical release.
Codex Pictures says it's direct to DVD, that's who. Honestly, how could anyone think that something this niche would be a major motion picture release with millions of dollars in ad campaigns and distribution deals? (rhetorical question ) The way you make money on something like this is to produce it direct to DVD and market it directly to your fan base, much like Joel Hodgson is doing with Cinematic Titanic.
"London-based production company Codex Pictures announced today that it is in production in the UK and Canada on Ultramarines, a feature-length movie on DVD/Blu-ray set in Games Workshop’s futuristic Warhammer 40,000 universe." http://codexpictures.com/news.html
H.B.M.C. wrote:Then it ain't feature length. It's a very-special episode of Christmas in Macragge.
You are now imagining 'A Christmas Carol' with the Void Dragon, Deciever and Nightbringer as the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future and Marneus Calgar as Ebenezer Scrooge.
LOL....did some of you folks really think this would be a Cinema film?
I was dying to see Pandorum, that got flicked out of the UK Cinemas like two weeks after its UK release....I don't think this "film" will even be stocked in WHSmiths, let alone Odeon Cinemas.....funny people.
Delephont wrote:LOL....did some of you folks really think this would be a Cinema film?
I was dying to see Pandorum, that got flicked out of the UK Cinemas like two weeks after its UK release....I don't think this "film" will even be stocked in WHSmiths, let alone Odeon Cinemas.....funny people.
We knew from the start that it was a DVD release.
Seriously, think before you open your damn mouth. For those who haven't read the first thread, mostly new users, of course they're going to think that at first.
How about they didn't think to actually look at the source website? Anyone who bothered to check the source website for the 40K film would have known it was direct to DVD.
Really it's no surprise some people never bother to look anywhere but the forum. If I had a dime for every time I saw someone on forums ask questions like "how much will this model cost?" or "when will this model be released?" when the information is already available on the GW website, I'd have enough money to buy five Reaver Titans. For some reason, many forum users don't realize they can go to other websites and find the information they want from the reliable main source. Instead, it's more fun to speculate or ask questions from strangers on forums who may or may not dispense accurate answers when the information has already been published by GW or in the case of the 40K film, Codex Pictures. People can be lazy, weird and hilarious all at the same time.
On DVD , people WILL DL it illegally instead of paying for it .
How much $ did they spend making the movie? we dont know yet. Do you think there is more than 1% possibility they'll earn it back?
Result: Price Adjustment again for our models~
Oh, one easy remedy though so its not hopeless .
BrassScorpion wrote:How about they didn't think to actually look at the source website? Anyone who bothered to check the source website for the 40K film would have known it was direct to DVD.
I check the main site, the facebook, and the youtube page. At the time I look, no mention of a DVD release. Granted, that was months ago, how ever I did check and there was no mention.
I reckon they will do the same thing they did as for alien, maybe a PG13 rating (YMMV), with mega campaign before and after release in IMAX and such and such for publicity, all star cast, all the greatness humanity's defenders require. Yeh, AND a special DVD set that costs 100 bucks.
PS: I'm tingling with morbid excitement waiting for POV chainsword slashing!
Feature films do not have to be 90-minutes minimum. In fact, many great pictures are shorter than that. I'd rather have a short well-made picture than one that is full of pointless padding just to stretch the running time. For example, I'd rather watch The Unknown, a riveting, dark and fantastic 60-minute feature with Lon Chaney than the 74-minutes of agonizing padding known as Manos: Hands Of Fate.
I have a copy of the script submited by Goto over here,
Ultramarines A forbidden love story between a Farseer from a dying race and an Imperial Assassin in the middle of an endless war, interrupted by a jealous Space Marine (hurr!) Chapter Master that also loves the black clad figure.
With amazing musical numbers by the Hive dancing among the multilazers
Delephont wrote:LOL....did some of you folks really think this would be a Cinema film?
We knew from the start that it was a DVD release.
Seriously, think before you open your damn mouth. For those who haven't read the first thread, mostly new users, of course they're going to think that at first.
Errmm...Pleb, why don't you take your own damn advice. Hell I can see from your flag that you're from "down-under" but thats not really an excuse for not being able to read English.
Did I say EVERYONE thought the film would be in the Cinemas? I was actually responding to the comments made right above my own post...gakker! The statement "did some of you folks really think this would be a Cinema film?" really says everything.
So I'm gonna parrot your own drivel back at you, but with a slight correction to fit your particular problem...."Seriously, read before you open your damn mouth"
Delephont wrote:LOL....did some of you folks really think this would be a Cinema film?
We knew from the start that it was a DVD release.
Seriously, think before you open your damn mouth. For those who haven't read the first thread, mostly new users, of course they're going to think that at first.
Errmm...Pleb, why don't you take your own damn advice. Hell I can see from your flag that you're from "down-under" but thats not really an excuse for not being able to read English.
Did I say EVERYONE thought the film would be in the Cinemas? I was actually responding to the comments made right above my own post...gakker! The statement "did some of you folks really think this would be a Cinema film?" really says everything.
So I'm gonna parrot your own drivel back at you, but with a slight correction to fit your particular problem...."Seriously, read before you open your damn mouth"
Take your lover's tiff elsewhere. Really getting tired of this crap now.
I thought it was going to be in the cinema. That's what a "movie" means to me.
If they are making it for TV they should say that.
The CS Goto script sounds pretty good. I reckon it covers most of the bases. They probably need a vampire in there too, maybe the Blood Angels could be involved.
The CS Goto script sounds pretty good. I reckon it covers most of the bases. They probably need a vampire in there too, maybe the Blood Angels could be involved.
And the tau build 5 legendary gunda... i mean Battlesuits to defeat their enemies, for which the others must team up with not only themselves, but with a Hive Tyrant named Herman. Together they revive the emperor, for which he then fights the suits in hand in hand combat using his bare hands and his face...
Now THAT is covering all the bases... oh wait... we need random leather of some kind.. Someone ring up the dark eldar.
BrassScorpion wrote:How about they didn't think to actually look at the source website? Anyone who bothered to check the source website for the 40K film would have known it was direct to DVD.
Really it's no surprise some people never bother to look anywhere but the forum. If I had a dime for every time I saw someone on forums ask questions like "how much will this model cost?" or "when will this model be released?" when the information is already available on the GW website, I'd have enough money to buy five Reaver Titans. For some reason, many forum users don't realize they can go to other websites and find the information they want from the reliable main source. Instead, it's more fun to speculate or ask questions from strangers on forums who may or may not dispense accurate answers when the information has already been published by GW or in the case of the 40K film, Codex Pictures. People can be lazy, weird and hilarious all at the same time.
This vent your spleen moment brought to you by BrassScorpion
Kilkrazy wrote:I thought it was going to be in the cinema. That's what a "movie" means to me.
If they are making it for TV they should say that.
The CS Goto script sounds pretty good. I reckon it covers most of the bases. They probably need a vampire in there too, maybe the Blood Angels could be involved.
It's not going to be on TV. It's a Direct-to-DVD movie.
Kilkrazy wrote:I thought it was going to be in the cinema. That's what a "movie" means to me.
If they are making it for TV they should say that.
The CS Goto script sounds pretty good. I reckon it covers most of the bases. They probably need a vampire in there too, maybe the Blood Angels could be involved.
It's not going to be on TV. It's a Direct-to-DVD movie.
Well look, I'm a video producer, so I'm aware of the different way you have to shoot footage for the big screen or the small screen.
Basically, when you make stuff for TV you have to take into account the small size of the screen and the more intimate relationship between the viewer and the image. A made for TV programme is shot differently to a film, but it can still be successful whether broadcast or played off DVD, because it has been designed for the same viewing medium.
Whereas a "straight to DVD film" means a film so dismally poor that it will automatically fail in the cinema and gets released on DVD where it won't work either because it's been shot the wrong way, er... oh... Right...
MoverFour wrote:Could be worse. You could be stuck watching Twilight.
Made me laugh so hard haha. I think i will go watch the new one. I sat through the 1st one with my gf and i must say it was the funniest film i have ever seen in my life, i couldnt help but laugh all the way through it! Not sure what the funniest thing about it is tho, the bit where he goes into the sun and you expect him to burst into som hideous looking vampire creature but instead he has some glitter on his cheecks for the fact that the guy is always squinting like he has the sun in his eyes. Haha comedy writing at its best, i can see why it is so sucessful.
Anyway back on topic. Not sure how this film will turn out, i hope it will be good but i am skeptical.
Yeah, if you got a whole bunch of guys, the main players of 40k (Sorry girls), and asked the what movie genre they liked the most, a majority would say Action/Sci-Fi.
The guy is an absolute disaster when it comes to space marine fluff. He is a genious when it comes to normal humans but suffers from making characters look alike. No matter what book I read that is about guard soldiers all that is changed are the names, the usual characters always pop up.
He always treats marines like beefed up guardsmen, stupid and proud and killed of by simple guardsmen just like that.
Its like a light version of Counters take on space marines and THAT is an epic fail.
I´m really scared of how the script (and more importantly, marine action) will turn out to be if he is the man behind it.
Pyriel- wrote:
The guy is an absolute disaster when it comes to space marine fluff. He is a genious when it comes to normal humans but suffers from making characters look alike. No matter what book I read that is about guard soldiers all that is changed are the names, the usual characters always pop up.
He always treats marines like beefed up guardsmen, stupid and proud and killed of by simple guardsmen just like that.
Its like a light version of Counters take on space marines and THAT is an epic fail.
I´m really scared of how the script (and more importantly, marine action) will turn out to be if he is the man behind it.
I agree with your statement. In the Eisenhorn books, I remember at least two occassions where a Marine is made into Mince meat, the first one kinda made some sense, and he explained it in such a way that was plausible, where Eisenhorn shoots the Imperial Marine in the head under the duress of a rouge psyker! However, the later death of a Chaos Marine while he's "distracted" by a Chaos artifact, is just cheap!
Other books like his Guard series, just, as you say, makes the various Chaos Marines out to be clowns, where they should be veteran fighters with hundreds of years of combat experience!!
I imagine this film will be very similar to Brothers of the Snake, with the Ultramarines in the staring role! Which means they will face Chaos Marines, and they will not even break a sweat going against them.....you read it here first!
Deadshane1 wrote:This is a mistake, mark my words, this movie will suck.
There is NO WAY that this movie can possibly satisfy.
I wish I didn't agree with you. I'm happy that 40k is trying to go mainstream, but I think they will try to walk the line between younger audiences (PG/PG-13) versus trying to sastify an older audience and fail at both.
Older audiences are not part of any equation that GW makes. It's all for the kiddos...
Pyriel- wrote:Is Abnett going to write the script?
Oh no!
The guy is an absolute disaster when it comes to space marine fluff. He is a genious when it comes to normal humans but suffers from making characters look alike. No matter what book I read that is about guard soldiers all that is changed are the names, the usual characters always pop up.
He always treats marines like beefed up guardsmen, stupid and proud and killed of by simple guardsmen just like that.
Its like a light version of Counters take on space marines and THAT is an epic fail.
I´m really scared of how the script (and more importantly, marine action) will turn out to be if he is the man behind it.
In which most likely the script that's on page 6 will most likely be better than the actual outcome
H.B.M.C. wrote:Then it ain't feature length. It's a very-special episode of Christmas in Macragge.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is war...but once a year, a man with snow white hair and big blue gloves enters his ship and says, "On Sicarius! On Tigurius! On Cassius! On Telion and Chronus!
The children asleep, with so much to fear
But the man named Calgar with his men do appear
From the perils of space travel, they attack the enemies of man
If Calgar can't do it then nobody can
They rain down with bolters and bombardments alike
till everyone cheers, down to the tiniest tyke.
"Ho Ho!" Says Calgar, with a mighty glove in the air
"Merry Christmas to all! No need to despair!"
H.B.M.C. wrote:Then it ain't feature length. It's a very-special episode of Christmas in Macragge.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is war...but once a year, a man with snow white hair and big blue gloves enters his ship and says, "On Sicarius! On Tigurius! On Cassius! On Telion and Chronus!
The children asleep, with so much to fear
But the man named Calgar with his men do appear
From the perils of space travel, they attack the enemies of man
If Calgar can't do it then nobody can
They rain down with bolters and bombardments alike
till everyone cheers, down to the tiniest tyke.
"Ho Ho!" Says Calgar, with a mighty glove in the air
"Merry Christmas to all! No need to despair!"
Pyriel- wrote:
The guy is an absolute disaster when it comes to space marine fluff. He is a genious when it comes to normal humans but suffers from making characters look alike. No matter what book I read that is about guard soldiers all that is changed are the names, the usual characters always pop up.
He always treats marines like beefed up guardsmen, stupid and proud and killed of by simple guardsmen just like that.
Its like a light version of Counters take on space marines and THAT is an epic fail.
I´m really scared of how the script (and more importantly, marine action) will turn out to be if he is the man behind it.
I agree with your statement. In the Eisenhorn books, I remember at least two occassions where a Marine is made into Mince meat, the first one kinda made some sense, and he explained it in such a way that was plausible, where Eisenhorn shoots the Imperial Marine in the head under the duress of a rouge psyker! However, the later death of a Chaos Marine while he's "distracted" by a Chaos artifact, is just cheap!
Other books like his Guard series, just, as you say, makes the various Chaos Marines out to be clowns, where they should be veteran fighters with hundreds of years of combat experience!!
I imagine this film will be very similar to Brothers of the Snake, with the Ultramarines in the staring role! Which means they will face Chaos Marines, and they will not even break a sweat going against them.....you read it here first!
Whatever you say guys!
I would like to see fu*** movie! Then make a comment!
And I'm standing behind it with my chainsword and laserpistol!!!
I't shall be a good movie!
It better be!
Hjarrand wrote:Whatever you say guys!
I would like to see fu*** movie! Then make a comment!
And I'm standing behind it with my chainsword and laserpistol!!!
I't shall be a good movie!
It better be!
Yes! Thats how to be optimistic about grimdark films!
Kyley wrote:Unfortunaly GW has caused me to become cynical in the extreme...
-it will be aimed at 12 year old, no blood, no awesomeness.
Judging by your sig, you were probably 12 when you got into the game thanks to them targeting you ;-)
Seriously though, the movie is a long way off, why not have everyone put positive energy out there in hopes that it will somehow influence the awesomeness of this.
I got involved in 1999 (when everything was good, WD didn't suck and GW targeted vets whilst merely making allowences for new players, oh and a regiment set was only £12 ) and by word of mouth from a friend.
And yes, I agree some positivity would be good, the dawn of war series and age of reckoning fill me with hope, as does the fact that dan abnett is writing it, but recent events haven't helped (C&D's, pricing, white dwarf and the general attitude of the company)
Valhallan42nd wrote:Violence is given an easier pass than sex, or oddly enough, swearing. There's a good deal of violence you can get away with in a movie.
If you'll recall, gremlins was a mere PG, and that had a gremlin in a blender.
I gotta agree. The movie can work at PG 13 as long as the hardcore human violence is offscreen and/or very creative. Sex won't be an issue, and really, I'm sure they can come up with new 40k cursewords kinda like judge dredd's "drokk it!". I mean LOTR extended was only PG 13, and it had many hardcore overtones. It was violent and dark, but had no sex or obsceneties. And I might add that the extended trilogy is in the running for the greatest trilogy ever made.
I just hope that if they really do it...they do it well.
jabbakahut wrote:I was just wondering, how much of this movie will be an advert? I mean you can't really do anything marketing wise with pushing their product right?
I really hope this is not a "black halk down" 5 space marines dance throught 20,000 enemies. I hate that kind of movie, but with Dan abbnet I hope we won't get any of that.
Just imagine an Ultramarine waking up and getting out of the pod which resembles a plastic master mold with some cool space age sound effect and seeing a price tag on the side of the pod for the average cost of a SM squad. Then the scene cuts to a critic who complains about the subliminal messaging and a Commissar sneaks up behind the critic and Summarily Executes them.
Plankwalker wrote:Just imagine an Ultramarine waking up and getting out of the pod which resembles a plastic master mold with some cool space age sound effect and seeing a price tag on the side of the pod for the average cost of a SM squad. Then the scene cuts to a critic who complains about the subliminal messaging and a Commissar sneaks up behind the critic and Summarily Executes them.
Yeah, he even complains about how the orks are so badly painted!
Kilkrazy wrote:It's difficult to portray the Imperium as in any way 'nice'.
No need. If 300 has taught us anything, it's that audiences will root for the fascists if they get to have a metal soundtrack in the background for their slo-mo finishing moves.
I don't know why you guys are getting so worked up about whether or not the story is going to be bad. This a license movie. We know from day one the story is going to be bad. That's how license movies work. If someone actually had a good idea for a story, it would have already been made into a movie where they don't have to pay extra money for the intellectual property rights. You guys wanted a 40K movie where the IP comes before the story, and that's exactly what you are going to get.
jabbakahut wrote:I was just wondering, how much of this movie will be an advert?
I don't think there will be anything in it that is not an advert. Expect this to be tied in with that year's miniature releases. Expect a new vehicle/unit/weapon based off of something in the movie, with an expensive new model. Expect special characters for most of the cast. Expect this movie to loop constantly in the background of every GW shop in the world for the next 20 years. I wouldn't even be surprised if a tiny action-figure line comes out.
The worst would be Golden Demon 20** (year of release date) in which the duel prize would go to the climax battle of the movie , made by some geeks ...*swipes tears of sorrow*
If I see the space marines being remorseful about killing absuloutly everything in their path, I will be mad. BURN MAIM KILL! That is what 40k is all about.
I think the Oscar judges are gonna be shocked when a Commisar is the hero of a fascist xenophobic Imperium with hundreds of billions of humans worshipping an emperor featured in a film for thirteen year olds.
-Hey Mommy, he looks like Hitler! Is Hitler the good guy after all??
And oh yeah, Space Marines are gonna rape the aliens with chainswords, or else I'm not watching!
I dig out my VHS copy of Inquisitor at least once a year for a good "blast from the past". Good stuff !!
I'm looking forward to this Ultramarines movie and am just glad that some 40K animation is finally coming out. Something is better than nothing. I'd rather see a Space Wolf movie but I'll take what I can get.
Hope the idea of this movie would have well known actors and real eviroment and nothing like that movie Avatar(CGI) that just came out. So that way any one can watch this movie. I knew that 40k was going to big. All they needed was someone to make a video game out of it and that way people can finally see it visually. I feel that this was going to be bigger then Halo just because, the idea of warhammer 40k is, that it can be told throught so many story lines. except for orks and trynids. But you get my point. Thats why DOW II should have won game of the year.
Matter a fact this movie would be nice if gave many points of view because, they are making a movie about a space marine legion right? i dont want to say much because I dont want to disappointed, So Ill just watch being opened minded because I just want to enjoy the movie.
I dont want any of the movie be an adertistment, that would be something that would not be cool at all. I just dont want the movie to be all bright and stuff. The armor/armour of the marine should look real. Beatin up and not like a bright blue color. Navy blue would look fine.
I know you're new here. Beastajg, but try not to post three times in a row. There's an edit button in your post that you can click to add new things.
I hope the movie looks good. As an animator, bad 3D kills me. I really think that's the first hurtle to get over. Even if it has a good story, if it looks like hell nobody will want to watch it.
It depends on what kind of movie you're making. If you're talking 2012 in power armour, then yeah, animation is more important. If you're talking about something good, on the other hand...
I think they have enough money up their sleeves (GW and Investors combined) to make everything go smoothly and end up a blockbuster. They managed to make people watch 2012, dammit!
Beastajg wrote:The people making this movie can make it real
I doubt that. Considering everything they've made in the past was CGI, I doubt they even own the equipment to produce a live action movie and further doubt they would pay the capital to buy said equipment to make the Ultramarine movie.
In the nonchalance of the far future, there is only frivolity and joy.*
*Buy our products.
The fact they're doing the Ultramarines shouts SMALL CHILDREN to me. Since Ultramarines are the poster boys of GW, they're generally the first that appeal to newcomers. Newcomers whose voices haven't begun to crack yet. These newcomers with their Ultramarine army will flock to this movie.
Hell, they can't butcher the movie as bad as Eragon. The directors of that movie must not have read the book before creating the movie. They can't... Right?
jabbakahut wrote:Since when is animation more important than story? Who else would agree with that?
Story comes first. However, if the animation is so glaringly bad, not many people will care about the story. As an animator, bad 3D is often too distracting for me to pay attention to anything else. Watch almost any 3D cartoon show on TV right now to know what I'm talking about.
Full CGI with motion capture and all-star voice-overs (like they did for Kung-fu Panda).
Hope all agree on that.
If 13PG rating, gonna get very bloody (I like my xenos that way) but no sex or even sloppy kissing (lol love story in 40k) to juuuust make it under the rstrictions.
Turbo10k wrote:Full CGI with motion capture and all-star voice-overs (like they did for Kung-fu Panda).
Hope all agree on that.
If 13PG rating, gonna get very bloody (I like my xenos that way) but no sex or even sloppy kissing (lol love story in 40k) to juuuust make it under the rstrictions.
Hope all agree on that too.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is no love, no kissing, only war. Lest we get mention of a certain infamous fanfiction, that is.
And jabbaakahut, while the intros to the Dawn of War games are stunning, the studios that made those aren't making this movie. Take for example the Madagascar films - nice art and animation. Then watch the TV show based on it and you can see how plastic-like everything looks, and how stilted the animation is. I'm hoping the movie looks great, but that's where my skepticism lies.
Madagascar should have stayed a one off, cos the second advanced nothing, had a few laughs and the same CGI...This 40k WILL NOT HUMANELY POSSIBLY have a sequel. It's gonna be a hit, then a series spin-off that will be quite hard to rate...Imagine a cartoon 40k series on Cartoon Network.
*Mom, the orks look sad. I thinks its because the space marines are EATING them alive.*
I lke the idea of watching something terrible before watching the Ultramarine movie. After watching Mutant Chronicles (which made me feel a bit like Alex in A Clockwork Orange with my eyelids toothpicked open, screaming "You can't do that to Ludwig Van!!!") I think I can deal with a bad 40K film.
That thing was atrocious. The only thing it had to do with the mutant chronicles setting was the character names and the movie title and even if they had gotten everything right it was still a bad movie. Of course I haven't read any of the flluff from the latest incarnation of it so they may have drastically changed the background.
I don't think we have to worry about Ultramarine being that far off course. Given how bad some of the movies based on games have been I can't be sure. If it even superficailly resembles the 40k universe it will make splendid background noise for painting and modeling.
I'm just going to hope it turns out decent and if the first 15 minutes or so are bad then I will just take it out watch mutant chronicles first to make it seem better.
Herr Abnett will come up with a brilliant screenplay, the studio will butcher it blindly to make it suitable for the kiddies, and it will all go horribly 'Judge Dredd', flopping and upsetting all the fans.
I so hope I am wrong, but I remember how excited I was about Judge Dredd, right up to the point it was announced Sly Stallone was playing the man himself...
jabbakahut wrote:I was just wondering, how much of this movie will be an advert?
EVERYTHING.
Once the DVD comes out I'm going to play a little game...see how many times I can spot a TM or C symbol during the film. Look closely at the "U" on their shoulder pads, see if it's stamped on their foreheads, watch for a little subtitle on the screen saying "Copyright Games Workshop All Rights Reserved" every time someone says "Ork" or "Eldar", etc.
I'm gonna call it now, there will be a TM at the end of the tagline when the film starts. Oh, and the DVD cases will come bundled with a C&D letter.
farmersboy wrote:Herr Abnett will come up with a brilliant screenplay, the studio will butcher it blindly to make it suitable for the kiddies, and it will all go horribly 'Judge Dredd', flopping and upsetting all the fans.
I so hope I am wrong, but I remember how excited I was about Judge Dredd, right up to the point it was announced Sly Stallone was playing the man himself...
You are wrong. Rob Schneider is not involved with this project. It will therefore be a superior film.
Plankwalker wrote:Just imagine an Ultramarine waking up and getting out of the pod which resembles a plastic master mold with some cool space age sound effect and seeing a price tag on the side of the pod for the average cost of a SM squad. Then the scene cuts to a critic who complains about the subliminal messaging and a Commissar sneaks up behind the critic and Summarily Executes them.
Yeah, he even complains about how the orks are so badly painted!
I have a hunch that this is funny! And it is! And there should be even a part that a comm. is looking at him laying on ground... for a while.
Plankwalker wrote:Just imagine an Ultramarine waking up and getting out of the pod which resembles a plastic master mold with some cool space age sound effect and seeing a price tag on the side of the pod for the average cost of a SM squad. Then the scene cuts to a critic who complains about the subliminal messaging and a Commissar sneaks up behind the critic and Summarily Executes them.
Yeah, he even complains about how the orks are so badly painted!
I have a hunch that this is funny! And it is! And there should be even a part that a comm. is looking at him laying on ground... for a while.
HEAVY BOLTER HEADSHOT!!!!!! Yeah!
Before, predictably, being SQUISHED TO PULP BY DROP POD!! then of course, STOMPED TO OBLIVION BY ASSAULT MARINES!!! before being subsequently BURNED BY MELTAZZZ!
Hmm... "huge epic bigness" aside fair play to the guy, he/they does seem to have a decent grasp of what they want and are aiming for, which os a good start at least.
Turbo10k wrote:
-Hey Mommy, he looks like Hitler! Is Hitler the good guy after all??
And oh yeah, Space Marines are gonna rape the aliens with chainswords, or else I'm not watching!
Yes my child hitler was a good guy... you can ask him! Here is his address (somewhere in kolumbia)
Oh yes they are gonna rape em! Rape em good! And i hope on a sequence of captured SM who are in a Chaos POW. And the escapin from there. That would be a good part! Imagine! Chaos Marines enjoying in torture of the SM and then a prisonbreak with a bunch of Spawns comin from warp. But sadly i think that this wouldn't be inside.
Pffft dan abnetts new work kicks ass, i preferably like ben counter better for his GREY KNIGHT series, witch should be the next movie but still im digging the eisenhorn book? so why down dan so badly man.
physcosamatic wrote:Pffft dan abnetts new work kicks ass, i preferably like ben counter better for his GREY KNIGHT series, witch should be the next movie but still im digging the eisenhorn book? so why down dan so badly man.
Agreed. Dan Abnett is a good Black Library writer, however he's not consistent. Horus Rising, Eisenhorn/Ravenorn omnibuses being the pinnacle of his skill if you ask me. You can really tell if he's been inspired or if he's just trying to pay off the mortgage lol. Anyway, I think I'll enjoy the movie. Did you hear what that guy said? Over Five years of work on it so far. It's got to be decent, at the very least. I will so buy that dvd
I really can't wait to see this, and I'm praying (not sure who to...) that it reaches its potential. There's every chance it will be terrible - it's not like video game/Wargame/Whatever tie-ins have a positive record. Nevertheless, I would think Abnett's style could translate well to a fast moving, visual film. Definitely needs a skilled director though, and I'm not familiar with who they currently have onboard. I wish him all the best As for the age rating, I would be immeasurably pissed off if the film is made "kiddie friendly" just to ensure pre-pubescent twelve year olds can legally watch it. All Dawn of War installments were 16+, and sold well. I think they hit the right level of... well, violence, etc, to ensure it was accessible, but didn't compromise the actual quality.
And anyway, with cinema security as it is, I think we all know the eager twelve year olds would see it somehow.
As a 3D designer myself 5 years could mean 5 years of rendering that picture? but who knows... Still.. 5 years of work is quite alot of time.. most video game projects rarely pass 4 years (neverwinter nights) but there are execptions (duke nukem forever).
Superscope wrote:As a 3D designer myself 5 years could mean 5 years of rendering that picture? but who knows... Still.. 5 years of work is quite alot of time.. most video game projects rarely pass 4 years (neverwinter nights) but there are execptions (duke nukem forever).
yes i agree, couse i know, since i am graphic designer. Such ones really need patience!
@Hollismason
No matter what you say, i think this! First wait, then watch than make a choice: BAD or GOOD! Some authors can just blisten when they are in their work!
Tek wrote:I want this to be good. I really do.
But straight-to-DVD doesn't bode well.
Codex pictures specialize in STDVD movies like Bionicle: Legend of Metra Nui.
And the director's biggest film to date is a Budweiser Advert.
I want this to be good. I really do.
When I was a lad of 12 i bought the bionicle movie and was satisfied with it, good story, bad ass characters, and decent action (note: I was in the age group the toy was targeted to and warhammer replaced bionicle as I got older). Now that I'm 17 the ultrasmurfs movie should have every thing the FANS of 40k want, not the parents or children that don't play the game.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Then it ain't feature length. It's a very-special episode of Christmas in Macragge.
CountCross, thats said very best! The movie will be watched mostly by the fans and the action druggies... Just who dosnt like big firearms that get into your arm and a sword in a same movie. The 40k fans will surely like the theme, story, units and background ...
That's still a buzzkill - even though they can sneak alot into movies nowadays, the R-rating just gives them more freedom. More langauge granted, but more freedom to spew gore.
binky wrote:That's still a buzzkill - even though they can sneak alot into movies nowadays, the R-rating just gives them more freedom. More langauge granted, but more freedom to spew gore.
Language isn't really a problem in 40k. They use made up curse words. Look at Firefly. They constantly use the word "gorram", which is a not-so-subtly altered version of... well, a much harsher term.
Likewise, nudity has no place in 40k, so that's not a problem.
So, that brings us back to violence. Do we have any sort of idea what the plot will be? I can guess. Where there's Um's, there are probably nids. And they could get away with a lot by using nids as the prime antagonist. Show all the blood you want, as long as it's green alien blood. I'm reminded of the show Saint Seiya, an anime series that could be a bit bloody at times. When ported to an American audience (as Knights of the Zodiac) they chose to recolor the blood blue or purple rather than edit it out completely. I guess being a different color makes it ok?
Or they could use creative editing. Say you have a scene where a defeated imperial guardsman is begging for his life, then the chaos lord guts him with a chainsword. Obviously the censors are not going to let this slide. I see three options:
1) The tamest: Just before the deed, the screen fades to black, but you still hear the sound effects.
2) Close focus: The scene is closely focused on the chaos lord's face. You still get sound effects and blood splatter, but no actual violence.
3) Interesting choice: The scene is visually unedited, but the soundtrack is altered. Instead of violent sound effects, you get "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows". Instead of the original dialogue, the bleeding guardsman states, "OH NO I SPILLED THE KETCHUP." What's the problem, censors? Obviously ketchup, not blood. If there is any doubt, add a caption that reads, "JUST KETCHUP, WE SWEAR."
Actually I agree, The Dark Knight was a well made movie, with good scenes. But will the more subtle context of implied violence work with marines? I mean batman doesn't have open warfare, or large scale battles.
lord senobio wrote:lets hope the 12+ rating doesnt turn it into a "caring is sharing" movie.
even mutant chronciles had an are it wasnt bad.
...The Mutant Chronicles was TERRIBLE. The only redeeming factor was the sheer amount of violence against zombie/mutants--which, frankly, is why it was R.
I think a blend of styles would work, along with the subtlety I was imaginging in your face blood like in Ninja scroll, here's a vid, mute the song if you find it repetitve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLXD4UR8s4 which would be unnatainable with a PG-13 rating. If this can be accomplished in a cartoon then it should be transferrable to CGI - which is what I was told the movie will be featured in.
I thought the keyword was grimdark - IMHO this movie captured that quite nicely. However implied violence if used effectively does its job, I was just concerned if it was too tame the new 40k would lose its adult audience.
lord senobio wrote:lets hope the 12+ rating doesnt turn it into a "caring is sharing" movie.
even mutant chronciles had an are it wasnt bad.
...The Mutant Chronicles was TERRIBLE. The only redeeming factor was the sheer amount of violence against zombie/mutants--which, frankly, is why it was R.
GAH, that movie SUCKED!
But I agree, they are obviously trying to catch that younger audience as always. But still Im sure the movie will rock. Youve got to realize that this movie will be chalk full of "fantasy violence" in that case, its basically fake violence, so its ok. I think we will all be rather suprised at how this movie turns out. Just watch the trailer for DOW2. That vid has violence galore in it and its a pretty bad ass video. Im sure the movie will be ALOT like that
binky wrote:I think a blend of styles would work, along with the subtlety I was imaginging in your face blood like in Ninja scroll, here's a vid, mute the song if you find it repetitve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLXD4UR8s4 which would be unnatainable with a PG-13 rating. If this can be accomplished in a cartoon then it should be transferrable to CGI - which is what I was told the movie will be featured in.
I thought the keyword was grimdark - IMHO this movie captured that quite nicely. However implied violence if used effectively does its job, I was just concerned if it was too tame the new 40k would lose its adult audience.
Not trying to be mean, but it seems the point really went over your head.
They can get away with FAR more in a PG-13 rating with "Fantasy Violence" and a foe like the Tyranids or Orks than they could if they used an enemy like the Eldar or traitor Guardsmen.
Look at the Lord of the Rings trilogy. That was pretty fething gory at parts, and pretty intense for the battles.
No, I got the point. But I'm assuming there will be several enemies and one of which will be human-ish How are they gonna get away with that?
Lord of the Rings was not very gory at all... hence the PG-13. But the battles were very epic given when it was made and still hold up comparably to what movies are capable of now.
I just can't envison a long movie where they blow up bugs for over an hour... oh wait Starship Troopers got away with it... I doubt anything new could top that though.
It depends on what you mean by "human-ish". The ratings boards let alot slide once you go past the standard 'humans in different garb/pointy ears' bit.
Hell, if the original Starship Troopers hadn't shown a bit of tits and had as much foul language as it did--it woulda made PG-13. And that was a gory as hell movie.
The general point I'm making is:
Don't sweat the ratings, especially when we haven't even seen a trailer. There's plenty of hope(and potential for disaster) at this point.
I'd say Imperial/traitor Guard are VERY human-ish. Not all human-ish means dressing goofy like the Eldar or having pointed ears.
I know I'm a big fan of Starship Troopers. And I'm saying I could see it as marines.
But this whole thread is on speculation at this point - ratings is pretty much all we have to go on besides rumors. So you could state this whole thread is very pointless as it is not based on fact. And you made a good point - I think all the fans of 40k are just waiting for this to turn out well, however all you can do is guess before it comes out and then it's all opinion anyway. So what else would we be discussing if not the "what ifs"?
Yeah, but I remain very, very, VERY doubtful we're going to see traitor Guard. It just doesn't seem proper that we'd see something as ridiculously obscure as traitor Guardsmen in the first real feature length 40k movie.
However, there is a possibility that I find oddly intriguing.
There was an old Starship Troopers TV show in the late 90s that was a lot closer to the book than the Verhoeven movie. Bug blood would regularly get blasted out of the bugs, they'd explode, and there'd be plenty of bug gore. The show was TV-Y7, and aimed at kids 7 and up. You can get away with a lot against non-human badguys.
Look at the recent Star Wars movies if you will. Episode III had Anakin get his arms and legs cut off, and his skin burn away while he was on fire. Episode II had Jango Fett get decapitated.
Stop your whining about it not being R. You can get away with more than you think with a PG-13 rating.
Kanluwen wrote:Yeah, but I remain very, very, VERY doubtful we're going to see traitor Guard. It just doesn't seem proper that we'd see something as ridiculously obscure as traitor Guardsmen in the first real feature length 40k movie.
However, there is a possibility that I find oddly intriguing.
The Tau.
No, I think you're quite right in your original theory - we're not going to see anything remotely human looking at all as an 'enemy' in this movie.
It is going to be very clear cut - UltraAwesomeMarines vs. NastyMonsterGribllies (Tyranids).
Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think so!
Brother SRM wrote:There was an old Starship Troopers TV show in the late 90s that was a lot closer to the book than the Verhoeven movie. Bug blood would regularly get blasted out of the bugs, they'd explode, and there'd be plenty of bug gore. The show was TV-Y7, and aimed at kids 7 and up. You can get away with a lot against non-human badguys.
Look at the recent Star Wars movies if you will. Episode III had Anakin get his arms and legs cut off, and his skin burn away while he was on fire. Episode II had Jango Fett get decapitated.
Stop your whining about it not being R. You can get away with more than you think with a PG-13 rating.
Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles.
I have it on dvd, along with Exo-Squad
The biggest downfall of Roughnecks was that it was hard to believe that, in the middle of being swarmed by billions of maneating bugs, the best Rico can muster is a witty remark about "Blasted bugs!"
