There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

I'm not sexist or anything but I dont really get it either, Im happy either way personally but I'm not gonna make a fuss about it...

You can however get female guardians for the Eldar as one of the torso's definately has the boobies!

Seriously, have you ever seen anyone want female necron?! that's a joke right...

no people really do want female necrons...no joke shakes his head

Reading this im inclined to want to see female necrons, call it a morbid fasination at what they would look like.

As a Guard player, I'd like female units because according to the fluff, entire populations are conscripted.

As of now, all Guard players have to play male-only armies (except the occasional player with a token female sniper/grenade launcher/commissar). It's like everyone is in charge of a sexist men-only division.

Seriously, I don't think it would be too hard for GW to include 2-5 female heads/torsos in a kit of 10 Guardsmen.

Aren't Necrons female?

They are always being remade, or 'made up'.

They like playing dress up, but can never settle on what to wear- flayed ones.

They worship a man-o-lith.

I've never heard of any man able to get back up that many times.

(This is of course, completely sarcastic and silly. Necrons, like most things based off of the Governator, are awesome.)

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

I bet it is because they want to paint boobs.

you guys are to much theres a guy who I played who has an all female guard army everything is female but he got the models from somewhere else. Im just saying I think its weird and annoying when people complain they want females for every army. Im just saying if you want that maybe this game isnt for you...

I've actually been thinking about this quite a bit lately. I think GW is really missing the boat by not having more female models.

Now hear me out if you disagree.

Geekdom has spread beyond just males. Thanks to mainstreaming of video game consoles and mmorpgs. My wife is a gamer wife. Yes I know I'm very luck. I know many other females who participate in geeky hobbies be they rpgs, video games, larp etc. In my humble opinion it's a marketing shortfall that they don't have more female models. Having more would potentially attract more female players as well as selling to current or potential future male players.

Now I'm not suggesting that they make a bunch of new all female armies like Sisters of Battle. They could stand to smatter in a few females here and there though. A female torso and a couple heads, for instance, on a Imperial Guard sprue would be an awesome addition. Where I think it is more important to have females is in character models as most 40k generals see themselves as their army commander. Witch Hunters is the only line where this exits. A female colonel, commissar, farseer, etc would all be awesome additions to the model range.

I agree with the people who boggle at female necrons because it seems silly to me as well. On the other hand a female C'tan could be cool.

Anyway, I enjoy this hobby and as such I want to see it grow. I think the female market, while admittedly much smaller than the male, is totally untapped. By doing some very minor additions to the current model ranges GW could potentially draw in new customers as well as sell it's regular customers some great new minis.

Oh and first post.

In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

I'll admit that in 40k imperial guard soldiers or eldar guardians could indeed be female, and the modles don't back this up as much as they could.

Though, the female necron idea is just silly, I mean, it's a robot! How do you give a robot a gender?!

The Necrontyr originally would have had male and female, but less that it is a robot, and more that it is a fricking skeleton!! The female ones would probably have slightly wider hips, and that is the only difference!

Why would they have wider hips? They don't give birth any more.


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Anyways, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Inquisitorial Forces, and Imperial Guard should be of mixed sex. Sisters of Battle should be all female. Space Marines, Chaos Marines, and Gray Knights should be all male. Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons don't have sexes (in the tradional sense anyways).

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

Lower average fitness standard.

There's also the easy get out clause when they find out they're going to be deployed and don't want to go (get pregnant). This is a problem generally as you don't want to invest in someone's training and then lose a big chunk of their service time (many people only do three years) to pregnancy.

Scott-S6 wrote:

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

Lower average fitness standard.

There's also the easy get out clause when they find out they're going to be deployed and don't want to go (get pregnant). This is a problem generally as you don't want to invest in someone's training and then lose a big chunk of their service time (many people only do three years) to pregnancy.

I'm not sure if that is quite it. It mostly boils down to two main reasons:

1) Lower muscle strength and endurance both on average and by potential.

2) In the Russian military they do not allow women in the front lines due to the psychological effects on others around them. Apparently they identified a recurring issue where men were less likely to leave a fallen woman behind as opposed to a man in order to carry on with their mission.

None of these have any bearing on a woman's ability to be as mentally tough, etc. so don't misquote me on it. However, given ample resources, you will be able to make more stringent cut-offs (fun fact, the Chinese military doesn't recruit individuals that snore, for instance).

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

There are no scientific reasons why women can't fight on the front line! This has been proven in conflicts like WWII and Vietnam....the only reason women don't fight on the front line is because of "social standards".....thats it!

Talk about fitness, pregnacy, period problems.....sure these are factors, but they're not "limiting" factors. Trust me, if there was an invasion from another planet, everyone with 8 fingers and two thumbs would be, encouraged, to pick up a rifle and fight...

Back on topic. I tend to agree with the OP to an extent, but I can also understand the desire for females figure in a, predominantly, male orientated game....its about fantasy, and alot of men, have fantasies about strong, powerful women....right now, thats missing in certain mainstream table top wargames.....

Sure its about sex, there I said it, but why should that be something to be "ashamed" of, I mean, sexual desire is no more seedy than the emotion of hate, destruction, greed or fear, and all of these human factors are given more than enough "air time" in this hobby.

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

Because boobs are like bacon. Everything it gets added to automatically becomes 69% more appealing to men.

Honestly? You had to do the 69% thing? Thats just immature, lol.

But who isn't?

Boobs, kids, etc.

Fearspect wrote:I'm not sure if that is quite it. It mostly boils down to two main reasons:

1) Lower muscle strength and endurance both on average and by potential.

2) In the Russian military they do not allow women in the front lines due to the psychological effects on others around them. Apparently they identified a recurring issue where men were less likely to leave a fallen woman behind as opposed to a man in order to carry on with their mission.

None of these have any bearing on a woman's ability to be as mentally tough, etc. so don't misquote me on it. However, given ample resources, you will be able to make more stringent cut-offs (fun fact, the Chinese military doesn't recruit individuals that snore, for instance).

It goes down to a more psicological thing regarding males. The israeli army had women in the front and this happened a lot of times:

- Male injured: someone went to pick him up.
- Female injured: all males rushed to the rescue, the enemy gunned more down.

So, it doesn't actually goes for women not being physically fit (with the proper training they can be up to the job) but with the male protective instincts.

Imperial Guard: Women are normal in the IG and other branches of Imperial forces
Space Marines: Completely impossible. No.
Eldar: Eldar women fight as often as their men.
Necrons. They are SPACE SKELETONS. They have no gender. People who want female necrons have issues.

I have a desire for females in my army, so I'm collecting an Escher gang.

I think WHFB has a more reasonable representation of women. Because it's like the medieval era, human women are generally the ones who stay behind at home and look after their family's affairs while their husbands go out seeking glory. This is different in the case of the High/Wood/Dark Elves, who have women in their militaries. The Dark Elf sprue has a fair few torsos with breasts and you can't tell the difference between the genders of the heads, because they're wearing helmets (and they're Elves too, so it's even harder to tell).

Eldar: I assumed the majority of them were females. Just look at the models!

Tau: Shadowsun. That's about it. But then again, they could be female underneath them helmets and crisis suits...you just don't know.

IG: Definitely should get some females in there. Ciaphas Cain novel, the women are more ruthless than the men! There's that one part where they have the male IG vs the female IG and she's giving that guy a butt-whuppin...

Necron: No.

SM: No.

Ork: No. (except for Blood Bowl).

Dark Eldar: They got em.

Chaos/Tyranids: Not applicable.



Argument solved.

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

It bothers me that anyone else would care enough to argue with what these people want to have for their fluff. Nerdrage is a vicious mistress on these threads.

I don't understand it myself. At least, not the people that ask "I know the fluff says it isn't possible, but can I has Fem-marines?"

No. Fluff says it isn't possible, so no. No Fem-Marines by conventional definition.

From a modelling standpoint (ie "I'm just doing this army for fun - not fluff.") hey - if you feel the urge to sculpt T&A on your Space Marines or Necrons, I won't judge. Not out loud at least.

I think Female IG are a must-have though. GW needs to invest in some Female torsos and heads for the Cadian sprues (And I say Cadians because female Catachan would be scary as Fk)

That's really all I can think of. All the other races that actually have a discernable gender HAVE female minis as it is. I'm going to put the lust for Fem-Marines up to raging hormone levels in teenage boys, or overzealous feminists with the classic "40K is sexist because there aren't enough female units!" complaint.

Remember the once feared Callidus ASsassin...
A woman who would phase sword your HQ to death...Yikes

Besides, If there were female models no one would stop playing to talk to real women

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

This does not bother me. I think there are many reasons to want either female units or an all female army, ranging from the desire to have a uniquely themed force to wanting to paint/model different faces to actually being female. I had an ex gf that wanted to get into the game, and didn't like the look of sisters. She went with the old daemonettes, which she found more appealing.

Now, what does bother me is the attitude expressed in this post. Now, I get that female marines are anathema to the fluff, but the knee jerk "if you want to play females play sisters" bugs me. Sisters have a very focused playing style, and it's likely that many people don't want to play it, and don't want to constrained to a single play style simply because they like the idea of warrior women.

I personally dont see where the problem comes from. If someone wants Necrons with boobs, or Space Marines with boobs, or Tyranids with boobs, how does this effect everyone else? As long as the person Im playing against, can play, then I dont care how many boobs there are, Im going to kill them.

Dark wrote:

Fearspect wrote:I'm not sure if that is quite it. It mostly boils down to two main reasons:

1) Lower muscle strength and endurance both on average and by potential.

2) In the Russian military they do not allow women in the front lines due to the psychological effects on others around them. Apparently they identified a recurring issue where men were less likely to leave a fallen woman behind as opposed to a man in order to carry on with their mission.

None of these have any bearing on a woman's ability to be as mentally tough, etc. so don't misquote me on it. However, given ample resources, you will be able to make more stringent cut-offs (fun fact, the Chinese military doesn't recruit individuals that snore, for instance).

It goes down to a more psicological thing regarding males. The israeli army had women in the front and this happened a lot of times:

- Male injured: someone went to pick him up.
- Female injured: all males rushed to the rescue, the enemy gunned more down.

So, it doesn't actually goes for women not being physically fit (with the proper training they can be up to the job) but with the male protective instincts.

Dark, you've pretty muched nailed it on the head. Coming from the military myself, I can tell you its very true, that natural instinct to protect them is one that's very hard to break. As it stands right now the closest a female soldier can get to front line duty, is as an MP or a Pilot. Other than that, they're not in Infantry platoons on the front lines. It's a major distraction and an unfocsed soldier is a dead soldier. Not something I want for my Space Marines.

Cheers!

Variety.

To have smooth curved armor without the need to field Eldar.
Its one reason why some people refuse to play Eldar

I'll never understand why people think that because it would be difficult (but certainly not impossible) to have women fighting in front line combat in the Modern United States it would be in any way a problem in a fictional universe 38,000 years ago.

Keep in mind that women have fought in wars around the globe from time eternal, although admittedly more in singular cases or total war scenarios, but the argument that women can't fight effectively in combat fails simply because it's been repeatedly demonstrated that they can.

Additionally, 40k takes place in a universe where humans have literally evolved into Hobbits and Ogres on some planets. To think that modern social mores and sexual dimorphism would remain iron clad is a bit silly.

Delephont wrote:There are no scientific reasons why women can't fight on the front line! This has been proven in conflicts like WWII and Vietnam....the only reason women don't fight on the front line is because of "social standards".....thats it!

Talk about fitness, pregnacy, period problems.....sure these are factors, but they're not "limiting" factors. Trust me, if there was an invasion from another planet, everyone with 8 fingers and two thumbs would be, encouraged, to pick up a rifle and fight...

Actually, the Imperial Guard has a good reason to have a greater male composition; it's easier to replenish half a generation of males than half a generation of females. If maintaining a high civilian population for the planet is a concern taking more males than females makes more sense. Don't forget, the Imperial Guard is usually being sent off-planet, and require a significant investment in training, equipment, boarding space, and supplies. We're usually not talking about forces conscripted from a location to defend that location (which is what the Planetary Defense Force would be a lot of the time). Women are also physically weaker than men on average, so a strength test would allow a larger percentage of the male population in. Both of these factors also mean that a civilization is more likely to culturally associate men with warfare.

Now of course, there would still be plenty of situations in which women would be pulled into the basic ranks of the Guard; on a fortress world like Cadia there isn't much of a truly civilian population, so everyone needs to be trained for Guard duty. On a hive world that had a huge population the Imperial Guard could ignore sex from a demographic standpoint (or even select for females if the Imperium wanted to try and keep the population from growing too fast). On the flipside, Imperial Guard regiments raised under very strenuous conditions could need any soldiers available, regardless of how damaging it is to the planet they're being pulled from. A planet that had a significant cultural bias towards women fighting would probably have a disproportionate number of women fighting as well. Penal legions would depend on who commits more crimes.

Officers not pulled from the regular Guard ranks would probably include more females, as they're fewer in number. Same would go for Storm Troopers and Commissars, although this might be nulled by the fact that they use the same recruiting pool as the Sisters of Battle. Obviously Inquisitors and their servants would be unaffected (except for Temple Callidus, I suppose, and maybe Temple Eversor).

I remember once I read a SciFi novel set in the far future. Women had evolved and surpassed men in terms of sheer strength, so a reversal of the sexes had taken place. It was very interesting and I really enjoyed reading it.

Anyways according to the 40k background material it is not possible for women to become Space Marines. That's the just the way it is. I see two ways to get around this:

- A Chaos Space Marine army that follows Slaanesh could have the leader or high ranking members converted to the female sex via the dark prince's warp powers. I have seem some minis that were converted to represent this and they looked pretty darn cool.

- You could use an alternate universe where women are the 'stronger' sex and became Space Marines. A company traveling in a battlebarge could be translated to our 40k during an anamolous warp jump. This would allow you to field an entire army of female Space Marines.

To me either of these vehicles are perfectly acceptable means of representing female Space Marines and I am sure there are other explanations that are just as pausible.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I remember once I read a SciFi novel set in the far future. Women had evolved and surpassed men in terms of sheer strength, so a reversal of the sexes had taken place. It was very interesting and I really enjoyed reading it.

Cleopatra 2525?

Blah bah blah science fiction two missing primarchs lolicron social construct retcon fluff nazis etc

There once was a Doctor named Thunder...

In the interest of accuracy, there are female necrons, they look just like the males, as their essences are now in genderless shells. Problem solved.

Exactly.
On the marine side, modeling wise, who would notice the difference? They both have shaved heads and like to yell while waving a gun in the air. The armor would cover any anatomical differences. Its not an issue.

An ISraeli army stdy showed that male soldiers can walk over the dead bodies of male comrades no problem. When they walk over a dead female soldier, it is a lot harder for them. They can't do it near as easily. That is the main reason for females often not fighting on the front lines.

40k gender roles.. hahaha

@ speed freak I think that must be true because I too have sexist empathy.

I think to understand this all you have to do is look at the target market 14year old boys. We all know vets are irrelevant, to gW. So would the target market like female IG in heroic scale no less? I doubt it.

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

Can anyone explain to me why it matters? Now if the guy says he's going to play a IG army with females in it and shows up with 100 models in princess Leia slave bikinis or less yeah I'd look at him funny. But if a guy has a partly or entirely female army, well painted, reasonable, and wants to play with it so what? Even female marines? Big freaking deal. Is your skin so thin that 50 female marines destroys everything you love about 40K? When someone says they get bothered by someone using female models I can't help but wonder what kind of issues they've got that they're bothered by tiny plastic women.

I just don't get it. Maybe its because I played CBT where you never knew if you'd find yourself up against a gorgeously painted and converted figure or the top hat from a Monopoly set.

Tyyr wrote:Is your skin so thin that 50 female marines destroys everything you love about 40K?

Yes.

The real reason women don't fight on the front lines is this:

A single male can get many females pregnant. A female, can only get pregnant once in 9 months though. You don't need as many men to repopulate. When nations fight wars, a lot of people die. So if you lose all your women it would be very tough to repopulate. If you lose a lot of men, though, its not that hard to get the numbers back.

That is all.

The reason why men want female models is the same reason men play MMOs with female characters...if you're going to spend a bunch of time staring at something, might as well make it something appealing to look at. That's why you don't see many ugly female models (for tabletop or MMOs) even though you can usually find pretty nasty male models (scars, fat, etc).

May be sexist, but it's not surprising.

jsullivanlaw wrote:The real reason women don't fight on the front lines is this:

A single male can get many females pregnant. A female, can only get pregnant once in 9 months though. You don't need as many men to repopulate. When nations fight wars, a lot of people die. So if you lose all your women it would be very tough to repopulate. If you lose a lot of men, though, its not that hard to get the numbers back.

That is all.

QFT

Check my sig.

It helps add a little more flavor to a army if someone wants a pure female IG regiment he/she should be able to. Not sure you will ever see female necrons then again I don't think you would want to see that unless you swing that way a course...

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

Cause some guys like a woman's touch (<---I'm counting the jokes that come from this )

Personally I'm wanting some female Models in my force too, and have added fluff to my Chapters backgroud to explain why they are there fighting along side Marines. On the battle field I will simply use Sisters of battle models and count them as a normal tactical marines using the normal rules for Marines.
I can't see there being an issue as long as my opponents don't mind.

Well I did consider doing a SOB army and very likely will one day, but why should I limit myself?

I think an all or mostly female IG army would be cool and it fits the fluff.

Same goes for having female Tau.

Female tau could be driving hammerheads and the like.

HellsGuardian316 wrote:[Personally I'm wanting some female Models in my force too, and have added fluff to my Chapters backgroud to explain why they are there fighting along side Marines. On the battle field I will simply use Sisters of battle models and count them as a normal tactical marines using the normal rules for Marines.
I can't see there being an issue as long as my opponents don't mind.

Sorry, I'm trying to figure this out: What's with (some people's) obsession with having females in their armies?

Not really.
I wanted to battle SoB with my DE army, but I never got the chance so far.
Taking female slaves is the way to go.

Persephone do you mind if I ask are you a dude or a chick? Is that a picture of you in yer avatar?

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Persephone do you mind if I ask are you a dude or a chick?

Don't mind at all, I get that a lot.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Is that a picture of you in yer avatar?

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yes

Because dudes like chicks and would like to model them.

Because chicks like to see people like themselves fighting as equals in their army.

Because people like to model stuff that is different from the norm.

Because chicks fighting is cool.

I dunno, I bet you could get some interesting psychology answers doing a study on something like this though.

I agree with Aduro, which is good, because I was going to post something smarmy like "because some of us realize girls aren't icky."

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

As female and a former active duty and currently in the national guard I can only say that we end up on the front lines anyway they always attack the support units...

tigonesskay wrote:

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

As female and a former active duty and currently in the national guard I can only say that we end up on the front lines anyway they always attack the support units...

Mhmm. Plenty of chance to hit an IED or an Ambush. Just because women aren't usually deployed into direct combat doesn't mean it won't find them.

Support unit or no, most women that get deployed still end up in their share of lead storms or get injured.


But OT, again, I would love to see some Female Guard and (more) Tau units. But please, for the love of god, enough Fem-Marines. Doctor Thunder's minis were an exception, because he had plausible fluff to go with his army, and they all looked suitably ragtag, as per their story. But sculpting boobs on Marines just because you want your minis to all have 36DD Cups is a poor excuse.

HellsGuardian316 wrote:Personally I'm wanting some female Models in my force too, and have added fluff to my Chapters backgroud to explain why they are there fighting along side Marines. On the battle field I will simply use Sisters of battle models and count them as a normal tactical marines using the normal rules for Marines.
I can't see there being an issue as long as my opponents don't mind.

You could use regular Sisters of Battle rules too; they can be taken as allies.

sculpting boobs on Marines just because you want your minis to all have 36DD Cups is a poor excuse.

OMG That's horrorible!
And pretty sad actually.

tigonesskay wrote:

sculpting boobs on Marines just because you want your minis to all have 36DD Cups is a poor excuse.

OMG That's horrorible!
And pretty sad actually.

To quote good old Metallica, "Sad but true!" (Maybe toss in one of those awesome Hetfield "OOH-YEAH!"'s. )

If only Pig Iron would do a Wonderbra sprue.

Just think of the potential!

oi im fine with it as long as it's not a HAHA look i took Sport's illustrated swim suit thing and made each one a space marine!!!!!!!! but i would never do it because i would never here the end of spending hours alone in my room painting plastic women

deffskullz wrote:oi im fine with it as long as it's not a HAHA look i took Sport's illustrated swim suit thing and made each one a space marine!!!!!!!! but i would never do it because i would never here the end of spending hours alone in my room painting plastic women

And yet painting little plastic men for hours alone somehow spares you from having to defend your sexuality

It all comes down to preferance. if someone want to do it, then they will. Me, i dont care one way or another, KilKrazy put up a pic of a female Necron and im satisfied now.

Paint what you like, FEITCTAJ.

I read a survey that said people that don't answer a question have something to hide. That makes sense to me. I am okay with that. Truly.

Anyways there is no reason why a woman could not be the best warrior. Celtic womens fought naked versus Roman Legionnaires and slayed them. It is not always an easy task to tame the shrew. One day there will be a woman that tames the world and the world as a whole will be better for it. Women tend to be more understanding and they are not by any means the weaker sex. Women can wreck your life if you let them.

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I dont understand it. I think its people who have a fascination with women and have to project that into the game. Look at the only all female army in the game, its an absolute trainwreck rules and fluff wise.

How so? Considering their age I don't know that their rules are particularly bad. I'd say they've held up better than Daemonhunters, Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons, or Tyranids.

Their fluff would be better if they were separated from the Ordo Hereticus a little more. They're not an inquisitorial army, they're first and foremost the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy.

Actually, it states that they are both a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy AND the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus. The Inquisition uses them first and foremost on heretical covens.

Also, the Ecclesiarchy constantly needs Inquisitorial approval to do much, such as declaring Wars of Faith etc. If the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy came into direct conflict then, by-the-letter, the Sisters would be obliged to follow the order of the inquisition. Whether all of them would be so eager to do so is another matter...

A fa/tg/uy never wrote:

Women are Underpowered in 40K

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Man" bs that's going on in the 40K system right now. Women deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine woman in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with her for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with her teeth.

Japanese parents spend years working on a single woman and send her to school and training dojos up to a million times to produce the finest gender known to mankind.

Women are thrice as sharp as men and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a man can cut through, a woman can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a woman could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple cutting remark.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering the Amazon? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Amazon people and their women of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the women first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Women are simply the best gender that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 40K system. Here is the stat line I propose for Women:

BS: 4, WS: 4, I: 3, A: 2, Ld: 10, W: 2

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Women in real life, don't you think?

Gamesworkshop could add some female models or female upgrade packs like black templars upgrade packs. This could give some modelers a bit more variety and would mean it was compatible with all the other existing sprues.

If it fits in the fluff and you are up for doing the conversions, I don't see the problem.

Though it would be nice for GW to save us the conversion work.

Good one, Killcrazy.

All you observations are completely true. Just like the fact that American women are far more accurate at longer ranges than Russian ones, though they break easily under difficult conditions.
That's why most of the world prefer the simpler and more rugged Russian women.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, it states that they are both a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy AND the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus. The Inquisition uses them first and foremost on heretical covens.

Also, the Ecclesiarchy constantly needs Inquisitorial approval to do much, such as declaring Wars of Faith etc. If the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy came into direct conflict then, by-the-letter, the Sisters would be obliged to follow the order of the inquisition. Whether all of them would be so eager to do so is another matter...

That's no different from any other army in the Imperium.

The Inquisition uses whatever they find most useful; they're only the militant wing of the Ordo Hereticus in the sense that the Ordo Hereticus likes to use them, and they have a history of working together. They're not actually a part of the Inquisition.

IIRC, Games Workshop used to make female Cadians- you might be able to find them on Ebay.

I'd imagine the reason they don't have more options for females in any army is simply to do with the cost. Creating 4-5 female models per squad would require a lot more sculpting to start with, then a more expensive mould. It makes more sense to mould 10 similar models than 5.

Still, with s a little conversion work it really wouldn't be all that difficult to convert effective models; the hardest part would be the face, especially when helmeted.

HAHAHA female orks. Also why is this a problem? If you don't want to make them, don't.

CadianXV wrote:IIRC, Games Workshop used to make female Cadians- you might be able to find them on Ebay.

Yes they did, and yes you can. But they cost upwards of $100 for the sprues and $50 for the built figs

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, it states that they are both a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy AND the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus. The Inquisition uses them first and foremost on heretical covens.

Also, the Ecclesiarchy constantly needs Inquisitorial approval to do much, such as declaring Wars of Faith etc. If the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy came into direct conflict then, by-the-letter, the Sisters would be obliged to follow the order of the inquisition. Whether all of them would be so eager to do so is another matter...

That's no different from any other army in the Imperium.

The Inquisition uses whatever they find most useful; they're only the militant wing of the Ordo Hereticus in the sense that the Ordo Hereticus likes to use them, and they have a history of working together. They're not actually a part of the Inquisition.

Technically, they are. They are regarded as the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus, as laid down by Sebastian Thor. They are as much part of the Inquisition as your average Inquisitorial Storm Trooper.

I've seen a couple of all-female IG armies over the years. Based on Escher Necromunda models with a mix of the older female IG models (half a dozen or more).

Emperors Faithful wrote:Technically, they are. They are regarded as the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus, as laid down by Sebastian Thor. They are as much part of the Inquisition as your average Inquisitorial Storm Trooper.

What? Sisters of Battle aren't part of Ordo Hereticus. Grey Knights aren't even part of Ordo Malleus.

Guys! guys! You've it all wrong.

There are female necrons.

What do you think the Scarabs are?

Jks.

But seriously, all the women are at home doing the weapon making

I'm starting to realize just how weird and wrong it is to use female models. I mean, first off if you use female models you're obviously either gay or want to be a woman, probably both. Secondly there are no women in WH40K. Period. End of story. There's nothing but men. Big manly men with bulging muslces and firm physiques and glistening loins with their shirts ripped ope... uh... yeah. And all those supposed women some people talk about? Those are men too, they're just not tough enough to match up with the real MEN so they're just called women because that's how sissy they are. Don't worry though, nothing but penis in WH40K. Anyone bringing women to the table is obviously a freak since all those "females" must really have penises and they're just bringing cross dressers to the game. I mean really, would you want to play the game against someone fielding an army of transvestites?

Freaks.

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There is alot of knee jerk reactions and hyperbole in this thread. I think it’s unfair to assume people asking these questions are either perverts or feminists.

My sister in law expressed interest in joining the GW hobby, but was very disappointed at how poorly represented women were in the model line. Besides the odd character model, there isn’t really much in the way of female models. People usually point out SoB, but how often do you see those on the shelf. It’s a bit intimidating for a beginner to buy a mostly metal/direct order 40k army. I don’t think it’s unreasonable in some armies where it’s supported by the fluff(tau, guard, elder) to boost up the amount of available female bitz in their troop choices. It would have certainly helped in this situation. More variety means more expensive sprues, but it would also be more inviting for a woman gamer, whose fantasy of the future might not be using all male Cadians for her army. A beginner isn’t going to go crazy converting things or buying up expensive Necromunda model boxes.

The Eldar are probably the best army as far as gender diversity currently, but the majority of the units are still male models only. A noticeably female Farseer would have probably helped push her over, which isn’t an unreasonable thing to produce(especially if the Dawn of War series is any indication).

Why don't GM just make some female sprues For those who want to make an all female IG army? I read some fluff explaining female IG units in one of the Ciaphas cain books when an all male and all female valhallan
unit had to made into one unit. It's far better than "green stuff" certain parts of the models to customize them...

Given Cadian body armor, why don't they just add some extra heads?

tigonesskay wrote:Why don't GM just make some female sprues For those who want to make an all female IG army? I read some fluff explaining female IG units in one of the Ciaphas cain books when an all male and all female valhallan
unit had to made into one unit. It's far better than "green stuff" certain parts of the models to customize them...

General Motors makes GW bitz now? Man, I work for GM and it's news to me

But yea, it really wouldn't be much cash out of GW's pocket to add a sprue with a few female heads and torsos. Even as bitz-order only, it wouldn't matter. I'm just getting tired of painting the same Cadian heads over and over. Some female heads with and w/o helmets would do well to break things up some.

Tyyr wrote: I mean really, would you want to play the game against someone fielding an army of transvestites?

Freaks.

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Isn't that the Dark Angels?

Wow just wow.

metallifan wrote:

General Motors makes GW bitz now? Man, I work for GM and it's news to me

My mistake my typing finger had a stutter
If General Motors did make GW bitz they'll have a major recall months later....

metallifan wrote:But yea, it really wouldn't be much cash out of GW's pocket to add a sprue with a few female heads and torsos. Even as bitz-order only, it wouldn't matter. I'm just getting tired of painting the same Cadian heads over and over. Some female heads with and w/o helmets would do well to break things up some.

It'd be money in their pockets as I'd start an IG army tomorrow.

I think the main reason you always hear the female space marine question is because the space marines are the default beginner army. It's the one everyone thinks of first when they think 40k. Therefore I think it's a reasonable reaction for beginner players to be confused and disappointed when they find out that that army is gender locked by the fluff. It basically says "sorry newbie, if you want to field any females in your army you can't come to this party. Go buy a harder or more expensive army."

I personally think it's silly that Space Marines are only male in the 40k fluff. Read Old Man's War by John Scalzi. He basically uses the same future super soldier concept, and does it with men and women with perfectly reasonable results(and its a great book,which I recommend to everyone here). I'm not sure why some people gets so pissed off over this topic.

Never underestimate the power of nerd rage.

I dunno I think it would be cool to see more female units for my armies, maybe make more of those female gaurdsmen

It would be nice to have another all or mostly all female army besides the SOB's.

tigonesskay wrote:It would be nice to have another all or mostly all female army besides the SOB's.

And preferably not human either. We need more Xenos races that people will actually enjoy. An Asexual female race (think those blue/green tentacle-haired whatsit aliens from Mass Effect) would be an excellent addition IMO. The current Xenos selection needs to expand to add another race or two once GW finally catches up with the updates to existing races... Whenever that will (or won't) be.

I want female Plague Marines in my army...

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:I want female Plague Marines in my army...

Ewww...

Hawkins wrote:Reading this im inclined to want to see female necrons, call it a morbid fasination at what they would look like.

Youve seen T3, right?

Female necrons T3 style! suduce the living and THEN kill 'em...

makr wrote:As a Guard player, I'd like female units because according to the fluff, entire populations are conscripted.

But the models ae so small it wouldn't make any difference, and it just gives GW another reason to bump up there prices,

As someone who has just purchased several female miniatures, I can confirm that this is false.

Lol female orcs hahahahahaha.
Even better female squats (THEY DO EXIST!)
female primarchs lol.
female Ultrasmurfs. hhehehehe. theres no difference.
Female Dark Angels. well too late : O.

Commander Endova wrote:

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

Because boobs are like bacon. Everything it gets added to automatically becomes 69% more appealing to men.

AHAHA!! 69%

Farseer Prometheus wrote:It helps add a little more flavor to a army if someone wants a pure female IG regiment he/she should be able to. Not sure you will ever see female necrons then again I don't think you would want to see that unless you swing that way a course...

Machines are the way to go, you don't have to ask them about their feelings, they never complain and they don't pms.

Female orks would look like their vehicles, stiched together and battered.

Female SM... Scary s t. They would have the Blood Angels Black Rage once a month. That's like the Horus Heresy every month, no chapter would recover.

Female Tau... Imagine the little mermaid with hooves.

Eldar Females... Wait you mean there are male eldar? (Sarcasm BTW)

Tyranids, seeing as they are insects with a hive social structure like ants and bees, they are probably all females.

Asherian Command wrote:Lol female orcs hahahahahaha.
Even better female squats (THEY DO EXIST!)
female primarchs lol.
female Ultrasmurfs. hhehehehe. theres no difference.
Female Dark Angels. well too late : O.

Female grots?

makr wrote:As a Guard player, I'd like female units because according to the fluff, entire populations are conscripted.

Pretty much this. The IG is an equal opportunity employer.

Tonytiger89 wrote:But the models ae so small it wouldn't make any difference,

Which is totally disproved by dozens of female miniatures for other lines that exist and look very much female compared to male models.

and it just gives GW another reason to bump up there prices,

Yes, because their very small, highly contained line of products has so far managed to keep their prices quite low.

Tyyr wrote:
Yes, because their very small, highly contained line of products has so far managed to keep their prices quite low.

except for the metal models of the SOB's which is now like 40+ bucks a pop.

Tyyr wrote:

makr wrote:As a Guard player, I'd like female units because according to the fluff, entire populations are conscripted.

Pretty much this. The IG is an equal opportunity employer.

Tonytiger89 wrote:But the models ae so small it wouldn't make any difference,

Which is totally disproved by dozens of female miniatures for other lines that exist and look very much female compared to male models.

and it just gives GW another reason to bump up there prices,

Yes, because their very small, highly contained line of products has so far managed to keep their prices quite low.

Fair point, but you've got so many guardsmen on the field it wouldn't make much difference. If you had some female commanders and officers, maybe a bit better

Say what you want about Imperial society, near-complete racial and gender equality have been achieved on many worlds in the Imperium. If a female commander comes up in the fluff her gender isn't usually seen as extraordinary.

Owain wrote:Say what you want about Imperial society, near-complete racial and gender equality have been achieved on many worlds in the Imperium. If a female commander comes up in the fluff her gender isn't usually seen as extraordinary.

Considering there're Female Inquisitors, Governors and Commissars, I'd say that female officers are 100% possible, without arguement. There're undoubtedly worlds with very gender-specific roles and views in their society. But overall, women are of equal status in the Imperium and thus should be presented in a Guard bitz sprue.

I played Fantasy for awhile and was actually kind of stoked to see certain armies having a female contingent. Dark Elves had them, as well as High Elves I believe and for sure Wood Elves. Some of my favorite models I had were my female Wardancers and Scouts and what not. Not because of their sex but because of their poses and what not. As long as females would belong there I don't see a reason to be against it or say it's weird. HOWEVER.

Some people (myself included) enjoy certain armies because of their 'fluff' and enjoy the design of everything. Necrons = genderless metal beings walking forward in an unrelenting fashion. Orks = kinda the same. Marines are beings made in the Emperor's image. Last time I heard the Emperor was a dude...

Anyway what I am trying to say is that some people don't enjoy the pure destruction of an armies 'fluff' because you want to be different. To me it is the same way that some people want to do 'CHAOS <insert army name>. Such as Daemonhunters even though there has never, ever been a single marine to fall to Chaos. Or, CHAOS TAU, CHAOS SISTERS OF BATTLE! It's just lame.

Thrain wrote:I've actually been thinking about this quite a bit lately. I think GW is really missing the boat by not having more female models.

Now hear me out if you disagree.

Geekdom has spread beyond just males. Thanks to mainstreaming of video game consoles and mmorpgs. My wife is a gamer wife. Yes I know I'm very luck. I know many other females who participate in geeky hobbies be they rpgs, video games, larp etc. In my humble opinion it's a marketing shortfall that they don't have more female models. Having more would potentially attract more female players as well as selling to current or potential future male players.

Now I'm not suggesting that they make a bunch of new all female armies like Sisters of Battle. They could stand to smatter in a few females here and there though. A female torso and a couple heads, for instance, on a Imperial Guard sprue would be an awesome addition. Where I think it is more important to have females is in character models as most 40k generals see themselves as their army commander. Witch Hunters is the only line where this exits. A female colonel, commissar, farseer, etc would all be awesome additions to the model range.

I agree with the people who boggle at female necrons because it seems silly to me as well. On the other hand a female C'tan could be cool.

Anyway, I enjoy this hobby and as such I want to see it grow. I think the female market, while admittedly much smaller than the male, is totally untapped. By doing some very minor additions to the current model ranges GW could potentially draw in new customers as well as sell it's regular customers some great new minis.

Oh and first post.

Being a woman myself, I don't see the need to have Female SM, this thread is stupid =D

phillosmaster wrote:
The Eldar are probably the best army as far as gender diversity currently, but the majority of the units are still male models only. A noticeably female Farseer would have probably helped push her over, which isn’t an unreasonable thing to produce(especially if the Dawn of War series is any indication).

I think female models for IG would be nice for variety sake, much in the way I have a few Catachans thrown into my Cadian based IG and mix up different skin tones. I've also done a female tanker- used an unhelmeted SOB head and mounted it on the shoulders up tankie from the accessory sprue.